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Visit audible dot com, slash I 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: heart or text I Heeart to five hundred, five hundred. 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: My next guest is an accomplished interior designer, self made 29 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: businessman who has worked his way out of the Detroit suburbs, 30 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: suburbs and through the design industry. Wow Wow, Wow Wow, 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: who has worked his way out of the Detroit suburbs 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: and through the design industry to the top where he 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: owns his own interior design firm. In addition to designing 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: celebrity green rooms for names like First Lady Michelle Obama, 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey, John Rivers, halle Berry, and Tyler Perry Steve 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Harvey and becoming their in house design expert, he is 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: a new designer on TLCS Trading Spaces please work on 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: the money making conversations, my man, Michael Welch, Thank you, 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Mr Donald, thank you for having me. Michael. Well, ye 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: right now, ye, right now. I'm home in New York 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: City for the first time. I'm like never home, so 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: this is the first. Okay, And what in part of 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: New York has five boroughs? What part of New York 44 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: City are you call it home? Um? I live in 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: Queens now. I used to live in Harlem, but now 46 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: I've recently located to Queens and I'm loving it because 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm close to the airport so I can jump on 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: the flight at a moment's notice. Airport meaning the Gloria, 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: which is l G. I'm in between both, so I'm 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: ten minutes away from the Guardia and JFK, so it's perfect. Well. 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: JFK one of my favorite airports because it's like a mall. 52 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: If you ever go there, yeah, you don't have a 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: close and you just want to shop, just goes JFK's shop. 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: This is the incredible, beautiful Actually it's like a hidden 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: gym on mall, you know, because you're going to you go, Okay, 56 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: I've gotten everything out of day, you know. The top 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: makeup stories clothing stories. You know, I'm much shopper, so 58 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: you know good food, Well, that's that's definitely the place 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: to go. They will they will hit you up for 60 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: for all of your dollars before you took on that 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: flight here. So, so, Michael, you're my relationship officially started 62 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: on the Steve Harvey Show. Correct. Yeah? Yeah? And Steve 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: Harvey showed the talk show that we launched in Chicago 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: roughly six years ago. Uh, and we were interviewing talent, 65 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and this young man came into my office. You want 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: to tell them the story, Michael, Well, okay, I'll tell 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the story. Yes, I came to your office, um, and 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey was looking for a dressing room design, and 69 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I think that the main issue was he didn't like 70 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: the color that was put in his office. And you 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: asked me if I would design his office. But you 72 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: remember me being on ht TV Design story and designing 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: a room that I painted green and they sent me 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: home on that show, and you asked me to design 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey's office. But the one caveat was I could 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: not use the color green. And I will never forget 77 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: that of my life. But that job was so game 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: change me. You know for you allow me the opportunity 79 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: to design Steve Harvey's office on my first day of work. 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: Um that that I mean, it was kind of like 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: the catalyst that got things going with my career. But 82 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: here's the fun part about our relationship. He made a 83 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: mistake on this design show. Did I picked up on that? 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: He got to And I just only say that is 85 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: that you know, when you do these shows, you never 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: know who watches them, you never know what you know. 87 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: And the way he handled my conversation about that mistake 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: was very professional. He didn't go into a defensive mode. 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: He didn't go I'm sorry. It was just he just 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: felt that that worked at that moment. But it was 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: where he positioned the television in the room cost him 92 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: that the show. And I told him that I can 93 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: see why you had the TV behind the sofa. Yes, 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I remember that. I have never done that ever. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 95 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: the room looked nice, but the TV was behind the sofa. 96 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: Macam yeah, yees, yes, TV was the sofa and it 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: was the wrong thing of green and it didn't work out. 98 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, we see the problem. You're not a TV watcher, 99 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: see me Roushan, Yeah, I watched TV. There's no way 100 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: I'm looking at go and turn my head look at 101 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: the TV behind before design purposes. It was bad. Now, 102 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Oh yes, some ideas for TV, but it wasn't watching 103 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: and so I owned it. Yeah, and he owed the 104 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: older We laughed about it. We talked about it. I said, 105 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, I think that he felt that when 106 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I was talking, he wasn't gonna get the opportunity. But again, 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: he was talented. I was familiar with his career because 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: it always shocks people that I watched so much television 109 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: that I watched. I'm able to watch so much television, 110 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: and because I know that's my job. You know, if 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: I could write it off of my taxes, I would. 112 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: What do you do for a living? I watch TV, 113 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: A whole lot of TV. What you watching that night? TV? 114 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: I watched TV on the plane. I watch TV when 115 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: I landed. If I could watch TV while I was driving, 116 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: I watched TV. I was driving. I just need to 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: drive when somebody's driving me, I'm watching TV because that's 118 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: my business and so my business. I'd say that to 119 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: say that if you're in something, you have to get one. 120 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: Because I was giving one dred I saw this talented 121 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: a young man, and he and gave him an opportunity 122 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: and guess what, he has not looked back. Yo, No, 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: I haven't. I really I haven't stopped. You know. I 124 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: felt like that was such a huge platform. Um. And 125 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: what most people don't know is, you know, not only 126 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: that I design that office, I worked on the show 127 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: every day, so I had the benefit of seeing you 128 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: every day. So I would, you know, kind of come 129 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: to your office at least three or four times a 130 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: week just to you know, ask your your professional opinion 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: on how I should, you know, kind of guide my 132 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: my career path. And so that was something that was 133 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: so invaluable that you know, I I thank you for because, um, 134 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have the opportunity, but for 135 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: you to be so busy and to sit there and 136 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: listen to me three times a week, you know, I 137 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: appreciated it. So I just listened, and like you said, 138 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I took it and I ran and I'm still running. 139 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the run never stopped. That's 140 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: what I'm learning. Well, you're define and I think that 141 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: everybody used to understand that. One of the things I 142 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: always told you, even though you were doing the show. 143 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: I said, uh, do more, Yeah, don't don't do more, 144 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: do more. Take take this moment. Uh. And then he 145 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: started appearing on the TV show and there was something 146 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: and then we started working on your his look. What's 147 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: your look? What's your look? Ye? I think, well, dude, 148 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: that's look bad. We're waiting o TV who. We used 149 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: to talk like that. Correct. Oh yeah, you would tell me, 150 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, you need to stop wearing a little type 151 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: vest and you get something else fits you a little 152 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: bit better if you're gonna present yourself on television. So 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean we had very very honest. I mean, you 154 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: are not a sugarcoat. So good conversations were extremely they 155 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: were real, they were real, but I listened. You know. 156 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: The thing I had to learn really cool with you is, 157 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, the delivery might not come out the way 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: people would expect it, but it's candid and it's truthful, 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: and so you have to respect that no matter what. 160 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: So did you hurt my fillings a couple of times? Yeah, 161 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: but I had to tuck about in and you don't 162 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: keep it going. It wasn't anything personal, you know, you 163 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't have to say anything at all. So I always 164 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: respected the fact that you took the time to even 165 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: tell me you know what you thought. Well, my whole 166 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: thing about bringing you on the show is just showing 167 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: the testament of somebody who has a dream. He came 168 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: from this platform and you sometimes we don't even know 169 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: how we can get to the next step because they 170 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: what Michael did is what Michael can do. Okay, what 171 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: Rashaan did is what Rashwan can do. So but I'd 172 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: like for them to tell their stories so you can 173 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: see that the bottom line is that criticism that you 174 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: accept it. You know, you don't take it personal because 175 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: somebody got to tell you what you're doing wrong in 176 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: order for you to do it right. And you can't 177 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: be a know it all, and then you gotta take risks. 178 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: And so because in the fact that they as a 179 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: can stand up comedian, every joke I said on stage 180 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: was not funny, Okay, just until the audience stopped laughing, 181 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: I realized, I need to move that that joke out 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: of the mind. I like it, but it's not working 183 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: out there for the general public. And so that's what 184 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: you do. And you always have people out there making 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: decisions for you that you have to accept what people 186 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,239 Speaker 1: fail the most is that they don't want to be criticized. 187 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: They don't want to they don't want to take advice 188 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: from anybody. They don't they feel they know at all. 189 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: That person right there cannot send them out office three 190 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: times a week like he did, because if you know 191 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: it all, please keep walking by my door, because my 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: experience will have no value to you at all. Now, 193 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to bring up the 194 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: fact that, you know, you're just talking about your your 195 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: struggles to get there. How you know you slept on 196 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: friend sofas for a number of years. What was that 197 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: feeling like at that point in the camp? Um? You 198 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: know what, when you're going through it. I don't really, 199 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: at least for me. I never saw it as a struggle. 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: To me, it was what I needed to do in 201 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: order to further my career. So the fact that I 202 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: was sleeping on a friend sofa was great for me 203 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: because that allowed me to save money so that I 204 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: could continue my career. Like what a lot of people 205 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: don't know is every episode that I was allowed on 206 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: that Sea Party show, you know, I would save my 207 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: money sleeping on sofa so that I could pay for 208 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: a publicist and so my publicist was at that time 209 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a month, and I didn't have the 210 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: money to pay for that, you know, with the pain 211 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: for rent, so I had to sleep on friends socas 212 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: in order to keep that pr going. So what they 213 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: did for me would have allowed me to keep my 214 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: brand growing. So I never thought of it as like me. 215 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: I didn't think of as I thought it was a sacrifice. Honestly, 216 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: I never thought about me sleeping on that sofa because 217 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't what it was about. I knew that this 218 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: was temporary, and so for me sleeping on that sofa, 219 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: if I had to do it all over again, I 220 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: would do it the same. You know. Sleep on that 221 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: sofa allowed me to save money so that I could 222 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: focus on my brains, my good and he would show me. 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: He coming there every week or every other week was sean, 224 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: he said, Mr mcdonal', Mr mcdonalk, look at what I'm 225 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: gonna magazine, mcgon magazine. Boy, that looks cool. He's the 226 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: new design or TLC's trading space. And we'll be back 227 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: with more. Just telling this story. I want you to 228 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: hear his story to let you know that you could 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: be a story that I would one day interview on 230 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation. We'll be right back for more. You're back, 231 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm back. Actually I never left. How about that? And 232 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: they host of money Making Conversation. This is Rashan McDonald. 233 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm talking to uh one the new new designers on 234 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: TLC's Trading Spaces. Please welcome back to money Making Conversations. 235 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Michale Welch. Thank you. I'm doing great. Thank you again 236 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: for having me. Now you're in Queens. Any good eating 237 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: spots up there? You know I'm a foodie dude, Any 238 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: good eating spots up there before we start talking about 239 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: this new show that you yes, absolutely, you know. The 240 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: thing about Queens is there so many mom and pop restaurants, 241 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: so if you are into authentic like Indian food, this 242 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: is the best place to eat um. And so I 243 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: eat very well. As a matter of fact, I have 244 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: gotten to the point now where I just order everything 245 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: online and I have the strength spent straight to my house. 246 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: But Queens is just known for their Indian food, so 247 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: I very very well. Well good, it's good to know. 248 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: Now let's tell me seventh season Design start. He was 249 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: on Design Star. That's why I that's why I saw 250 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: your design start. Okay, cool, Now you moving to another 251 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: show that's been on t you for a long time, 252 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: Trading Spaces. How first of all, how the adopt unity 253 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: to come to you? And then how do you start 254 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: making your your impression on the show? Okay? So I 255 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: actually this is a funny thing. How how life works. 256 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: I have an agent, and my agent gets me a 257 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: call and he says, hey, you know, um well you 258 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: gotta call from Trading Spaces and they'd like to speak 259 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: to you. And I'm thinking, okay, you know the time 260 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: for another audition. Well, we get on the phone. Twenty 261 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: minutes later, they're asking me, you know what my availability 262 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: is next week? And I'm like, okay, like you know, 263 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: here's my availability, but when is the audition? And so 264 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: they said, well we went online. And it goes back 265 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: to what you're saying when you never know people who 266 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: who's watching television. They said, we've watched all of your 267 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey episodes that you have online. We've already seen 268 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: your work. We know what you can do, and we 269 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: want you to started on the show next week. So 270 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: I didn't even audition for that show. Um, my audition 271 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: was putting in all that hard work all those years 272 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: before sleeping on that sofa, hiring the publicist and having 273 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: all of those uh you know television episode so I 274 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: didn't have to even audition. Um. So that just blew 275 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: my mind. And on top of that, one of the 276 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: producers saw me on which we didn't talk about The 277 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Atlanta. You know, you got me in 278 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: contact with stray Whipfield and they saw that makeover and 279 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: they just asked me to start that week, um of 280 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: the following week. So um, it was one of those 281 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: things where you know, they came in and they told 282 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: me that they want to see some really dramatic and 283 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: theatrical design. So for me on Trading Spaces, it's about 284 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: taking my design aesthetic and pairing it with my television 285 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: background where I used to make set because they know 286 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: that I can build things that are really I can 287 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: at you and so on the show, I'm just trying to, 288 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, bring my point of view where I can 289 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: show people, you know, how to make a big impact 290 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: on a little bit of money because they only give 291 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: us two thousand dollars in two days, so it's not 292 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: a lot of time. Um. So I'm excited about this opportunity. 293 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: You know, I've been watching this show since I was 294 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: in college, so it was a surreal feeling. Why why 295 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: are shows like that so popular? Feeling? I only shows 296 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: like training Spaces are so popular because it empowers you 297 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: to think that not even to think, but to show 298 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: you how you can make over a space without a 299 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of money. You can do it in a weekend. 300 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, most people are working Monday through Friday, and 301 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: they're only off time is on the weekend. So they 302 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: need something that is quick, easy and attainable to do. 303 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: And so I think people get inspired by those shows 304 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: because it's like, hey, I have two thousand dollars and 305 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: I can knock it out in two days, so let 306 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: me try it. But it's interesting thing about Kale and 307 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Handish conversation about even the videos we even talked about that, 308 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: I would say, please put those videos on your website. 309 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: Please put them on your website, because you have to 310 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: always prepare. You just never know, but you do the 311 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: work for the opportunity. When the opportunity to present itself, 312 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: then you can achieve the goal. And that's all I've 313 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: preach to anybody who listens to me, And that's all 314 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: I ever told him, and and guess what, Yes, I 315 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: am straightforward. Yes, I haven't gonna be factual because guess what, 316 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: you have a time limit to be successful entertainment. Entertainment 317 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: is age driven. You know that. That's one of the 318 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: things about entertainment. When you're young, they love you. If 319 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: you have not gained any resume and experience while you're young, 320 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: when you get older, they have no use for you. 321 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: And so I was just asking and say, hey, man, 322 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get rich on this TV show. Use 323 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: the bread of Steve Harvey for future opportunities. And that's 324 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: what he did. He just listened to everybody. That's all. 325 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: He made personal sacrifices that I was not aware of. 326 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: All I know is he will come in my office 327 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: and tell me, Mr McDonald, I'm in this magazine this month, 328 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Mrs McDonald, look at this magazine, Ms McDonald, Can I 329 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: you can I use the pictures that I did on 330 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey in this magazine. I say yes because I 331 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: was in because abusing co created the show. I could 332 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: sign off on stuff, because I'm not gonna limit a 333 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: person's opportunity because I got an attitude, or just because 334 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: I could if I'm gonna give advice, I'm gonna give motivation. 335 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: I got to present people with the keys to success. 336 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: And that's all I was doing with Mr Wealth on 337 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: the regular BASI. I'm gonna calling Mr Welch now because 338 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: he on TV Change. You know, he making money now 339 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: he and Queen's now now. The thing about it is 340 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: that you've done other things like I remember you were 341 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: doing the Pickler and Ben you know, with each other, 342 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the talk just talk about all these different things and 343 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: you dealt with I know, people who are not famous. 344 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: You've done big jobs in Chicago when you was doing 345 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: simultaneously working for the Steve Harvey Show, and you asked 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: me about that, I go, or if you don't get 347 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: out of my face and learned that there's twenty four 348 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: hours in the day and learn to use all those hours, 349 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: please go do that work, because that's all that's what 350 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: it is about. Correct. Yes, No, you know that was 351 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: one of the craziest things, you know, like I was 352 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: saying before. You know, I worked on the Steve Harvey Show, 353 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, as a set designer, and I don't know 354 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: if most people know we're working on that show twelve 355 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: hours a day, and I have designed clients who are 356 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: calling me and they don't care that I'm working with 357 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey at the TV station. They want me there 358 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: at their homes. And so I had to hire an assistant, 359 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: and that's that was expensive, you know, hire a full 360 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: time assistant to basically be that voice while I while 361 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't UM physically on the property. But what happened 362 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: was that allowed me to continue to grow my brand. 363 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: And you know, that was the first time I went 364 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: from working on like little two thousand dollar budgets to 365 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: half a million dollar budgets UM. And so it was 366 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: just a life changing experience when I was on the 367 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: show in Chicago. But I think what resonated with me 368 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: the most was another conversation that you and I had 369 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: at UM. And this is when I was very, very 370 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: muney hungry, and I don't know if you remember, I 371 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: came into your office and I said, I want to 372 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about writing a book. 373 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: And you said, well, why do you want to write 374 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: a book? I said, because I want to make money 375 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: like everybody else. And you told me to leave your 376 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: office and you said you need to leave because you 377 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: don't get it. And you come back to me when 378 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: you get it, and I was I was kind of 379 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: shocked that, you know you you told me to leave 380 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: the office. But it must have been about a year later. 381 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: I was doing the Neighborhood Awards with you and the 382 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: lady walked up to me and I had I had 383 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: several women walking up saying, Hey, can you come redesign 384 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: my house? Can you come to my house? And I'm like, 385 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: I can't just come to your house. And I remember 386 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: coming to you saying Mr McDonald, I have all these 387 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: people asking if I could come to the house and 388 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: I can't. But what I can do is put together 389 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: a design seminar where I can travel to different cities 390 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: and I can teach people or what they can do 391 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: um in their respective city since I can't physically come 392 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: to their house. And that's when you told me, you 393 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: know what, you get it now, it's not about you, 394 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: it's about you helping someone else. And so it was 395 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: just like all of those tools. And I don't even 396 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: know if you remember that conversation, but it was that 397 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: that was a big thing for me because moving forward 398 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: with every single thing that I do with my brand, 399 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: if I have one thought about I just want to 400 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: make the money. I stopped, and I always go back 401 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: to that conversation that you told what you told me, 402 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, because about the money. It's never going to work. No, 403 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: it's never gonna work. You know. I always tell people 404 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: that there were many opportunities I passed on money for 405 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity. I remember when I was doing, um what 406 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I was doing. I went from Steve Harvey's first TV 407 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: show on ABC, and I went to uh, Robert Townsend 408 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: Show and uh and and I was always say writer 409 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: and uh and so I wanted to chat aging title. 410 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to change in title. And I said, look, 411 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: I had a bigger title on the previous show. Because 412 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: I went over here to the w B, they knocked 413 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: my title back down. I said, I just want the title. 414 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't want the money. They had never heard that before. 415 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: I said, people don't know. People don't need to know 416 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: that I'm not getting paid this extra amount of money. 417 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: It's between it when you sign a release that you 418 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: won't tell anybody. I said, yes, because it's about the brand. 419 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: It's about people understanding that I am rising up, that 420 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: I am making a difference. And once you people start 421 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: coming to you and you change that tone that hey, 422 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm here to help you your career is taken off. 423 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: Your whole approach. You know, our conversations changed, we were 424 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: we went from just being a mentor of the men 425 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: tee to like partners in the conversation. Next step, what 426 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna do? Why are you gonna do these things? 427 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: And that's why the evolution of you from introducing you 428 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: to contact the real, real, real Housewives of Atlanta, talking 429 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: to your agents and I've talked to about in his life, 430 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, everybody who's representing him, because I believe in 431 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: Michael Well and to see him advanced this part in 432 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: his life and to see him um do the things 433 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: that he's gonna do. What advice would you give to 434 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: people who want to do what you want to do? 435 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: I just want to be successful in life. But kail Um, 436 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I've learned in the 437 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: past twelve years in design is to really focus on 438 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: what it is that you want to do. You can't 439 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: be a jack of all trades, but most importantly, narrowed 440 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: down what you want to do and then find a 441 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: mentor find someone who has already done it and who 442 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: can show you the ropes because that for me has 443 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: been the biggest help you know to be because everybody's 444 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: not going to be in a room with you because 445 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: and I recognize that, like, but you need to find 446 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: people who know the way. And I always go back 447 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: to another conversation that you and I had where it 448 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: was about looking at your friends circle and if you're 449 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: considered the strongest person in your circle, you might want 450 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: to revamp that circle that you're in because you should 451 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: always be learning from someone else and not just you know, 452 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: everybody else taking from you. And so I would just say, 453 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, get a mentor and follow as hard as 454 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: you can and then begin to make your own way. 455 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: And for me, that is what has truly helped me 456 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: in my career. Thank you. 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