WEBVTT - Nick Jonas 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.000 I'm going to be in trouble with my brother in 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.880 law to begin with, because I was in his house 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.880 in London without him being there last night and we 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.920 cracked over him. Your tequila. Oh good, I'm glad. I 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:14.920 don't know that I'm in aficionado, but that is my 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.640 drink on the rocks with line. I'm not on an 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:22.880 Ajo fan normally, but that was absolutely delicious. I'm so 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.080 glad you liked it. Um. We we ran out at 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.320 our place. We enjoy it quite a bit. That's a 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.240 that's a big finish on the tequila. That will pack 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.159 to serious punch. We were very happy to be hit 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.800 with it. Glad to hear it. Hello, I'm mini driver 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.360 and welcome to many questions. I've always loved Pruce's questionnaire. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.559 It was originally an eighteenth century parlor game meant to 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.360 reveal an individual's true nature, but with so many questions 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.720 there wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything. So 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.840 I took the format of Pruce's questionnaire and adapted What 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.520 I think are seven of the most important questions you 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:04.480 could ever ask someone They are when and where were 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.880 you happiest? What is the quality you like least about yourself. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.959 What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:19.640 question would you most like answered, What person, place, or 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.759 experience has shaped you the most? What would be your 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.640 last meal? And can you tell me something in your 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.640 life that has grown out of a personal disaster. The 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.520 more people we ask, the more we begin to see 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.680 what makes us similar and what makes us individual. I've 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.440 gathered a group of really remarkable people who I am 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.039 honored and humbled to have had a chance to engage with. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.240 My guest today is Nick Jonas, a legitimate teen idol 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.760 who is evolved into a producer, creative director, writer, and 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.720 actor in addition to continuing to record as a solo artist. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:04.120 I find it to be very thoughtful and quite reserved, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:09.600 virtually a living antonym for pop star. I was really 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.680 inspired by his work, ethic and how he clearly sees 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:20.080 creativity as multifaceted and constantly moving forward. I think it's 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.280 quite a hard question, where and when you were happiest? 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.480 Where and when I was happiest. I've got kind of 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.799 two answers that are somewhat similar. I think the piece 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:35.560 I felt when my now wife and I realized that 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:39.400 we should give it a proper go. I don't describe 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:40.799 it as saying, oh, I was you know, I swept 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.040 off my feet, or I don't imagine she was swept 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.440 off hers at that moment, But there was an immense 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.600 piece that I felt that carried on and took us 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:52.880 into what became my happiest moment, which was our wedding day. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.160 And it was sort of a six month runaway from 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.200 that moment. I realized it's so interesting around love as well, 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.160 the realization that it throws everything else into relief that 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.040 when you really love somebody, how sharp that is. I 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:09.960 think particularly it must be I've never been married, but 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.400 I imagine that really is what kind of lights the 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.000 pathway towards marrying somebody. And it's the difference between just 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.119 being into somebody and really knowing I want to spend 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:18.840 the rest of my life with this person. You know, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.800 it's obviously different for everybody, but for she and I 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.960 both there was there was just an ease to it 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.920 that came. And not to say we didn't think it 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.919 would have its challenging moments, as every relationship, whether that's 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.040 marriage or friendship or family does, but there was speak 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.240 about that piece again that's just sort of settled for 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.160 each of us. And I think that's probably a good indication. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.080 If it feels tumultuous and troubling at the beginning, it's 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.760 probably not the thing to write into. But this was 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.600 quite special. It's interesting that you equate peace with happiness. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.280 I mean, happiness it's so layered. I mean, it's as 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.240 tricky to pin down as love itself. But for you, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.760 like when you think about your life and all of 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.760 the layers that you've lived at a very young age, 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.360 do you think the piece is the premium because there's 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.360 so much noise in your life and there's so much spectacle. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.360 I think so. I used to think of happiness tied 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.000 to achievements and that there would be sort of a 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.720 part of goal at the end of the rainbow, and 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.080 that I feel like what ends up happening is if 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.160 you're a person who cares deeply about your work, as 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.120 you clearly do, you sort of just keep chasing more 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.640 of those achievements as opposed to just finding the happiness. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.240 And then for me, piece came in the picture and 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.560 actually provided ten times the happiness that some career achievement 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.560 or personal achievement could It's something that my mother and 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.359 I used to talk about a lot, which is this 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.760 idea that there's actually no there there. We're set up 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.880 in condition to believe that exactly as you said, there's 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.400 a potch of gold at the end of the rainbow, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.440 that there's this place we're supposed to arrive at and 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.040 then we will get happiness, as opposed to letting go 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.920 of the notion of arrival and being in the quietness, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.960 just letting the moment unfold. And it takes a bit 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.000 of practice. Does this year has certainly been good practice 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.160 and sort of settling into peace in general and quiet 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.440 wasn't something that I was used to, you know, kind 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.880 of an anti person by nature, so having to just 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.159 relax and chill out. It was a good thing to 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.400 practice because you can find, you know, a routine that 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.039 actually ends up benefiting you more than just always chasing 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.800 the next thing totally. Did you write very differently in 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.760 this period? Do you notice that your state of being 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.640 informed you creatively? Yeah, well it was too fold in 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.279 the sense that the obstacles, the hurdles that you know, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.720 we're so unique to this time, so much like we're 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.440 doing now writing over zoom with collaborators. In addition to music, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.040 now one of my biggest priorities is writing screenplays and 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.040 developing film and television projects, and so that took a 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.400 totally different approach, and in isolation kind of came the 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.520 ability to actually take some time and let it happen 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.400 in a more languid way, as opposed to my sort 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.760 of pattern before, which would be to be as efficient 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.680 quick as possible, which isn't always the best obviously. Yeah, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.159 And I think it's the same thing. We were forced 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.120 to stay out of the idea of there being this 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.880 place we were meant to reach because we didn't know 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.120 how long this was going to go on for. So 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:13.200 being creative without that being a time frame I found 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.880 really interesting. And actually the freedom and the sort of 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:22.279 spaceiness of it actually created more discipline creatively, I found. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.880 I agree. Yeah, I did feel moments of frustration, you know, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.960 when I would complete a task, whether it was a 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.760 song or writing a script and the work was done 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.440 and it felt like, oh, the reality said in this 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.680 may never see the light day because of the state 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.240 of the world. Know what's happening, right, And so I 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.640 had sort of my biggest lesson this year and just 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.640 patients and the ability to be proud of something knowing 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.159 that the runway to it being released maybe long. But 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.680 as long as you're happy with your work and how 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.480 you applied yourself to the process, it's it's fine. Got 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.880 your very grown up. I'm literally a hundred and fifty 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.440 times your age. I feel like I'm only just arriving 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.440 at those conclusions. It's cool, like I'm and I'm sort 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:12.560 of slightly bitter, but I'm also stacked. What is the 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.760 quality that you least like about yourself? The quality I 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.880 at least like about myself. I have knee jerk reactions, 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.560 two things sometimes that I think are incredibly uh stupid, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.240 And in retrospect it's it's never you know, anything to 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.440 intense or you know, my my fuse is not short 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.160 in the sense that I feel that I get angry, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.760 but I'll react because, as we all do, there's an 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.360 insecurity that I'm not willing to just sort of own. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.520 And it's just it's funny. More and more I'll sort 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.760 of visualize myself in the doctor's office and he hits 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.920 the knee with the rubber mallet and it pops up, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.800 and that's my literal sort of emotional reaction to certain things. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.680 Can you give me an example of a knee jerk 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.960 reaction to something that you've either in the moment or 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:59.880 later gone back and thought, you know what that was? Yeah, 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.440 there's there's plenty. I guess you'd have to ask my 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.920 wife too. That's probably example. This was somebody on the 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.600 other end of the knetz Jack reaction getting kicked. Yeah, exactly. Well, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.920 I think what it is is like, in our early 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.360 days of working, there was a bit of a structure 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.400 kind of to the things that we were doing because 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.400 of our partnership with Disney, which is not to say 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.400 that it was a negative experience. In fact, I really 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.840 thought it was great training wheels for all that we did. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.520 But naturally there's a structure to it, and so, you know, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.240 sort of rules and guidelines. As the three of us, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.840 my brothers and I have gotten older, it can be 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.160 a bit of a thing where we sort of react 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.160 to it. So it's like, oh, you know, it's an 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.800 early more tomorrow we would probably get to bed. It's like, well, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.280 I'll be fine, I don't need to go to bed now. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.200 If I want to, i'll go, but I don't have to, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.480 So it's idiotic stuff like that. But when you can 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.640 own it after the fact, I think it's it's all good. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.640 Are you quite competitive with your brothers? I mean in 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.600 a brotherly way. I don't mean she's sort of like 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.400 achievement's been in a sibling way. So it's kind of 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.480 like I'm gonna I'm going to hold out for the 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.520 last drink and I'm going to be the last bed. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.319 Does that competition exist within your hierarchy? There is a 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:16.120 natural competitiveness. My brothers both have kids now, so the 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.880 bedtime thing is they're probably thrilled to get to bed, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.840 you know. I tend to like to stay up a 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.840 bit later. But we are. We're very competitive. We're all 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.320 big golf fans, are all of you golfers? We are, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.360 And that's the one arena that gets kind of heated. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.360 I love it. That's only because none of us are 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.800 that good, and so it's it's tragic when you care 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.040 that much but you actually are terrible. The things. I'm 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.320 not even going to ask your handicap, because it's because 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.720 it doesn't matter. It's all about enjoying the game. I 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.920 got yelled at actually on the golf course the other day. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.800 I was holding the dogs. I was what, we're waiting 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.280 for this guy to take a shot, and he was, 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.400 you know, whack in it, which I believe is the 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:59.559 technical term whack in the board away from the technical term. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.560 So it's holding the dogs, keeping quiet, and you know 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.640 what it's like when someone's watching you. I guess because 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.840 he he whacked the ball real bad. It didn't work out, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.719 and then he turned around and he yelled at me, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.760 of course it's your fault. I was just like, I'm 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.559 standing a hold in the labrador like I didn't. It's 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.040 I think, and then his friends laughed at him. The 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.920 best thing about golf is that you can always blame 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.000 someone else for your bad shots. I've realized that, you know, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.079 it's because this person talkers, because you did that. There's 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:45.640 an easy out there in your life. Can you tell 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.920 me of something that grew out of a personal disaster. Yeah, there, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.160 I mean, there's a kind of handful of things, but 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:59.079 one in particular was a state of flub on stage 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.040 that was on televised performance, which which ended up being 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.439 really difficult for me to deal with after the facts. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.839 It was just it was very embarrassing and one of 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.120 those things where I just had a brain fart to 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.199 describe it, and I was playing a guitar solo and 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:18.360 just I couldn't get it. My brain was connecting to 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.800 my my fingers, my hands, and and it wasn't the 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.400 end of the world as as you know, as you 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.640 always are able to sort of process in retrospect, and 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.280 from the thirty ft view, it's a blip and the 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.160 bigger sort of life story. I was sort of asked 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.079 myself the question, would this end up in the screenplay, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.080 you know, of my life? And if it's not significant, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.200 significant enough that it would, then it's just let it go. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.440 But this feels like it would have been something that 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.480 would have marked a moment where I hopefully grew in 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.840 that I was more understanding of the fact that I 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.040 am human and I'm going to make mistakes and that's okay, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.080 and these things happen. That's really nice. I mean that 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.960 kindness would be the thing that would grow out of 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.400 an embarrassing moment for you, and particularly being really young 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.319 with that happening and feeling humiliated that that's it's always 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.000 good to fall on your face from time to time. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.000 I couldn't agree with you more. I mean I I 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.640 quite literally do it, and I also figuratively, and I'm 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.880 very clumsy and fall over a lot. I don't think 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.480 it's a bad thing at all. And I think we're 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.840 also I don't know if you agree, but we're often 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.280 trained to sort of a near ourselves, to pain and 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.640 to looking stupid. But it's the best breeding ground for 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.760 like you said, connecting with your humanity. Completely agree, and 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.640 I often think, you know, like God the universe, I 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.160 didn't need to be humbled, and I was pretty humble before, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.080 but you show up at the times when you least 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.120 expected and just add a little bit to the humility. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.160 Jar It's good to keep filling it up. I couldn't 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.600 agree with you more. Also, neurologically, when you talked about 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.319 your brain sort of disconnecting from you being able to 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.000 play the guitar. I was going to play in the 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.600 West End at David Mammitt play, you know, full House. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.520 I've been doing the show for probably three months, and 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.280 when I went on stage and it was just me 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.360 and another actress on stage and you know, David Mammitt 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.680 very quick fire dialogue, and it was like it was 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.760 like the screen had just come down between all cognitive functions, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.080 and I couldn't remember what I was supposed to say, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.920 frozen in fear and then just spiraled and it sounds 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.120 quite similar to what you experienced. And it was so 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.800 terrifying and weird and anyway, whatever, you get through it. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.120 But a few weeks later I was talking to this 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.320 guy who's that's his life is starting the brain, and 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.720 I said, look, this thing happened. Why did this happen? 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.520 And he said, oh, it's really it's actually really common 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.720 with creative people. And also when you've remembered something and 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.960 you've repeatedly done something, it stays in the forefront of 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.120 our brain and our memory. But there's a point when 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.880 you've done it so many times that your brain goes, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.440 you know, we do this all the time. This needs 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.679 to be reredownloaded to a deep storage and in that moment, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.240 literally when it's switching over, that's when we have these 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.480 moments of complete and utter forgetfulness and disconnection because it's 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.400 the brain quite literally transferring information. I felt so much better, 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.360 and I was like, what do I do? And he said, oh, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.480 you just go and read the play again and you 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.520 tell your brain I'm needing to relearn this you do 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.360 whatever you did when you first sat down with it. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.440 That's so interesting. It's quite cool. I I love that. 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.880 There's nothing quite like going up on a line on 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.760 stage though it's it's it's the most frightening thing in 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.840 the world. It's shockingly it feels so exposed, exposed and raw. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.680 And I wonder why it's so terrifying. I wonder what 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.680 we think is actually going to happen, because like, there's 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.960 audience have paid tickets to see us, and they're probably 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.120 all quite nice people, like it's not the Roman colisseum, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.680 Like they don't want to see us ripped to pieces. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.720 For me, yeah, I agree with you. It's less about 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.120 the audience. It's the sort of embarrassment of going up 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.000 in front of your cast mates. And I did have 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.640 a succeeding business without really trying Broadway. And there's a 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.480 big monologue and it's very fast and if you if 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.240 you miss, if you hit a speed bump middle of 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.680 it's one of those where you've lost the whole. And 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.760 I hit the speed bump and I kept stumbling and 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.320 my cast mate was looking at me like I had 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.480 a brain problem of some kind. And it was so 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:17.560 embarrassing more so than the audience. That's interesting. It's peer fear. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:26.040 Let's call it that. It's pear fair neck. Absolutely what relationship, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:31.200 real or fictionalized, defines love fear, real or fictionalized. I 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.560 would say my parents relationship is quite inspiring to me 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.720 in one that I've always admired. They met very young 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.120 and at college and got married pretty quickly without having 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.400 ever really dated properly. They were just really good friends 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.640 and it evolved into love naturally, and you know, their 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:53.800 thirty four years. I believe now it's a great relationship 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.600 and certainly inspiring to me. What are the corner stands 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.640 I mean, because again, remember this is all field work 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.000 for me, Like I'm desperate to get answers about everything, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.480 which is largely why I wanted to do this podcast. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.440 A thirty four year old marriage becaus a kid. As 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.600 you're watching that as you grow up, do you notice 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:16.280 all the touchstones rather of what it's built on. Yes, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.160 I think it's a kind of a combination of a 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.600 passion and love and being in a moment and all 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.520 these things, but also having a roadmap for success or 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.800 potential success, and you know, being able to set sort 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.880 of certain pillars as a couple and as a family 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.520 that you can actually lean on rely on in addition 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.360 to following your heart and kind of being in the moment, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.000 which is something that uh, you know, in my life 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.120 I've tried to adopt as well. It's wonderful to be 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.920 spontaneous and really important for the kind of work that 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.280 we do, obviously in a creative field, but also understanding 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.920 who you are. Having that roadmap for success is important. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.920 And when I say success just mean a healthy life 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.960 and marriage or friendships and relationships. It's tricky that with 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.760 to create two people. And I've just found that in 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.200 my life you can be on the same page spiritually 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.320 and the decisions about whether you want children and how 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.600 you would raise them and kind of who you are, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.119 but logistically it can be so difficult to kind of 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.399 sink that up. Do you think that compromise, I guess 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.920 is something that you may be noticed in your parents relationship, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.440 or that there's a loving compromise that one finds. Yeah, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.840 I mean, I absolutely hear you on not to creative 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.760 people front that can be tricky. In my parents relationship, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.000 they were both very creative but also very supportive of 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.879 one another. And then found that balance. And my mom 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.200 and dad will talk about, you know times my dad 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.600 was a singer as well, and oh was he It 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.800 was he was a pastor, and I said, I knew 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.840 as a pastor. I didn't know he was a singer. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.040 It's very talented. But he would show up, you know, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.679 in the early days of their marriage and have been 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.800 at the studio until four in the morning she was 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.760 with the three of us, we were quite young, and 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.600 show up with his tapes and she would like lean 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.879 up against the wall to stay awake to listen to it. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:02.679 But the fact that she was willing to get up 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.280 out of bed and listen to his thing that he 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.639 was excited about it was really meaningful. And in the 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.879 same way, he would show up for her in ways 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.280 where she was being creative and needed to feel supportive. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.840 I've found that. But I also know and have experience 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.240 in different relationships in my past and even friendships and 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.240 things like that, times where those two creative forces can 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.600 be really competitive and it's not the best to fit. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.280 I guess when you say compromise, that's very important and 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.520 an essential piece. But also that willingness to sort of 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.680 at any point in time whether it's during the morning 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.719 or too in the afternoon, and show up and be 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:52.119 supportive of one's passion about something. What question which you 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.800 most like answered? Well, I am currently reading Sapiens, so 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.359 I'm deep into that world. And also it's simultaneously we 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.000 started watching the first season of Ancient Aliens. So I 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.280 don't necessarily want to know everything about how it all happened. 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:10.160 And when I say that, I mean the Earth and 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:15.800 civilization everything, but I would like to know some of it. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.560 Just give me a little bit, which bit, like are 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.119 you like I would like to know if there was 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.360 a creative hand in the Big Bang, because I mean 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.119 even Harari doesn't get to it in Sapiens, Like I 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.800 was waiting for that to be. I mean, I don't 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.439 want to do any spoilers, but like it's not like 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:31.920 you get to the end of it and it's like, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.840 this is what's up. I don't want to ruin it 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.400 for you. But there's no specific answer. Yeah, a conclusion, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.880 yeah no, no, no, it's I saw it trending that direction. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.640 So if I had like one thing i'd want to know. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.760 I think one of the most fascinating things to me 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.320 about Homo sapiens is our ability to love one another, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.040 and how there's a reverse reaction to that, which is violence, 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.720 and understanding why that happens. So that's something that I 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.560 just think is fascinating when that began and when it 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.600 evolved into what it is to day, because I think 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.280 a lot of the world's problems could be solved if 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.840 we had some understanding of that piece. I would really 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.320 like to know that as well. I would also really 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.320 like to know why more people aren't talking about the 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.280 little green pyramids that were seen off the naval ship. 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.240 I don't know about this. Oh you need to when 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.159 you get off the phone and you go deep. You 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:19.480 don't even have to go that deep. It was like 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.159 on the Today Show, it's everywhere. But they finally released 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.080 this footage that I guess the Navy have been recording 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:31.720 for years, and it's it's epic. I've we've now in 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.040 our household, We've been talking a lot about, you know, 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.480 if there's some bad behavior in our household. It's like, 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:38.720 what do you think the aliens would think about that? 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.040 They were if they were seeing that at the moment 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:43.919 they're watching, and I wonder what they think, Like, do 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.320 they think that we are just so extraordinarily primitive because 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:48.879 of the reasons that you just said, because of our 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.639 insane violence and our extraordinary capacity to love. Like, do 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.240 they feel that vibrationally or are they just looking at 0:20:55.640 --> 0:21:00.720 our tactical missiles and and ships and going, boy, that's 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.760 that's some behind stuff. Yeah. I think it's probably a 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.439 combination of both. Do you love space because your record 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.960 is called Space Man, and I did watch a couple 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.000 of your videos and they do seem to be connected. Yeah, 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.040