Speaker 1: I'm going to be in trouble with my brother in
Speaker 1: law to begin with, because I was in his house
Speaker 1: in London without him being there last night and we
Speaker 1: cracked over him. Your tequila. Oh good, I'm glad. I
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm in aficionado, but that is my
Speaker 1: drink on the rocks with line. I'm not on an
Speaker 1: Ajo fan normally, but that was absolutely delicious. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you liked it. Um. We we ran out at
Speaker 1: our place. We enjoy it quite a bit. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a big finish on the tequila. That will pack
Speaker 1: to serious punch. We were very happy to be hit
Speaker 1: with it. Glad to hear it. Hello, I'm mini driver
Speaker 1: and welcome to many questions. I've always loved Pruce's questionnaire.
Speaker 1: It was originally an eighteenth century parlor game meant to
Speaker 1: reveal an individual's true nature, but with so many questions
Speaker 1: there wasn't really an opportunity to expand on anything. So
Speaker 1: I took the format of Pruce's questionnaire and adapted What
Speaker 1: I think are seven of the most important questions you
Speaker 1: could ever ask someone They are when and where were
Speaker 1: you happiest? What is the quality you like least about yourself.
Speaker 1: What relationship, real or fictionalized, defines love for you? What
Speaker 1: question would you most like answered, What person, place, or
Speaker 1: experience has shaped you the most? What would be your
Speaker 1: last meal? And can you tell me something in your
Speaker 1: life that has grown out of a personal disaster. The
Speaker 1: more people we ask, the more we begin to see
Speaker 1: what makes us similar and what makes us individual. I've
Speaker 1: gathered a group of really remarkable people who I am
Speaker 1: honored and humbled to have had a chance to engage with.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Nick Jonas, a legitimate teen idol
Speaker 1: who is evolved into a producer, creative director, writer, and
Speaker 1: actor in addition to continuing to record as a solo artist.
Speaker 1: I find it to be very thoughtful and quite reserved,
Speaker 1: virtually a living antonym for pop star. I was really
Speaker 1: inspired by his work, ethic and how he clearly sees
Speaker 1: creativity as multifaceted and constantly moving forward. I think it's
Speaker 1: quite a hard question, where and when you were happiest?
Speaker 1: Where and when I was happiest. I've got kind of
Speaker 1: two answers that are somewhat similar. I think the piece
Speaker 1: I felt when my now wife and I realized that
Speaker 1: we should give it a proper go. I don't describe
Speaker 1: it as saying, oh, I was you know, I swept
Speaker 1: off my feet, or I don't imagine she was swept
Speaker 1: off hers at that moment, But there was an immense
Speaker 1: piece that I felt that carried on and took us
Speaker 1: into what became my happiest moment, which was our wedding day.
Speaker 1: And it was sort of a six month runaway from
Speaker 1: that moment. I realized it's so interesting around love as well,
Speaker 1: the realization that it throws everything else into relief that
Speaker 1: when you really love somebody, how sharp that is. I
Speaker 1: think particularly it must be I've never been married, but
Speaker 1: I imagine that really is what kind of lights the
Speaker 1: pathway towards marrying somebody. And it's the difference between just
Speaker 1: being into somebody and really knowing I want to spend
Speaker 1: the rest of my life with this person. You know,
Speaker 1: it's obviously different for everybody, but for she and I
Speaker 1: both there was there was just an ease to it
Speaker 1: that came. And not to say we didn't think it
Speaker 1: would have its challenging moments, as every relationship, whether that's
Speaker 1: marriage or friendship or family does, but there was speak
Speaker 1: about that piece again that's just sort of settled for
Speaker 1: each of us. And I think that's probably a good indication.
Speaker 1: If it feels tumultuous and troubling at the beginning, it's
Speaker 1: probably not the thing to write into. But this was
Speaker 1: quite special. It's interesting that you equate peace with happiness.
Speaker 1: I mean, happiness it's so layered. I mean, it's as
Speaker 1: tricky to pin down as love itself. But for you,
Speaker 1: like when you think about your life and all of
Speaker 1: the layers that you've lived at a very young age,
Speaker 1: do you think the piece is the premium because there's
Speaker 1: so much noise in your life and there's so much spectacle.
Speaker 1: I think so. I used to think of happiness tied
Speaker 1: to achievements and that there would be sort of a
Speaker 1: part of goal at the end of the rainbow, and
Speaker 1: that I feel like what ends up happening is if
Speaker 1: you're a person who cares deeply about your work, as
Speaker 1: you clearly do, you sort of just keep chasing more
Speaker 1: of those achievements as opposed to just finding the happiness.
Speaker 1: And then for me, piece came in the picture and
Speaker 1: actually provided ten times the happiness that some career achievement
Speaker 1: or personal achievement could It's something that my mother and
Speaker 1: I used to talk about a lot, which is this
Speaker 1: idea that there's actually no there there. We're set up
Speaker 1: in condition to believe that exactly as you said, there's
Speaker 1: a potch of gold at the end of the rainbow,
Speaker 1: that there's this place we're supposed to arrive at and
Speaker 1: then we will get happiness, as opposed to letting go
Speaker 1: of the notion of arrival and being in the quietness,
Speaker 1: just letting the moment unfold. And it takes a bit
Speaker 1: of practice. Does this year has certainly been good practice
Speaker 1: and sort of settling into peace in general and quiet
Speaker 1: wasn't something that I was used to, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of an anti person by nature, so having to just
Speaker 1: relax and chill out. It was a good thing to
Speaker 1: practice because you can find, you know, a routine that
Speaker 1: actually ends up benefiting you more than just always chasing
Speaker 1: the next thing totally. Did you write very differently in
Speaker 1: this period? Do you notice that your state of being
Speaker 1: informed you creatively? Yeah, well it was too fold in
Speaker 1: the sense that the obstacles, the hurdles that you know,
Speaker 1: we're so unique to this time, so much like we're
Speaker 1: doing now writing over zoom with collaborators. In addition to music,
Speaker 1: now one of my biggest priorities is writing screenplays and
Speaker 1: developing film and television projects, and so that took a
Speaker 1: totally different approach, and in isolation kind of came the
Speaker 1: ability to actually take some time and let it happen
Speaker 1: in a more languid way, as opposed to my sort
Speaker 1: of pattern before, which would be to be as efficient
Speaker 1: quick as possible, which isn't always the best obviously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's the same thing. We were forced
Speaker 1: to stay out of the idea of there being this
Speaker 1: place we were meant to reach because we didn't know
Speaker 1: how long this was going to go on for. So
Speaker 1: being creative without that being a time frame I found
Speaker 1: really interesting. And actually the freedom and the sort of
Speaker 1: spaceiness of it actually created more discipline creatively, I found.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, I did feel moments of frustration, you know,
Speaker 1: when I would complete a task, whether it was a
Speaker 1: song or writing a script and the work was done
Speaker 1: and it felt like, oh, the reality said in this
Speaker 1: may never see the light day because of the state
Speaker 1: of the world. Know what's happening, right, And so I
Speaker 1: had sort of my biggest lesson this year and just
Speaker 1: patients and the ability to be proud of something knowing
Speaker 1: that the runway to it being released maybe long. But
Speaker 1: as long as you're happy with your work and how
Speaker 1: you applied yourself to the process, it's it's fine. Got
Speaker 1: your very grown up. I'm literally a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: times your age. I feel like I'm only just arriving
Speaker 1: at those conclusions. It's cool, like I'm and I'm sort
Speaker 1: of slightly bitter, but I'm also stacked. What is the
Speaker 1: quality that you least like about yourself? The quality I
Speaker 1: at least like about myself. I have knee jerk reactions,
Speaker 1: two things sometimes that I think are incredibly uh stupid,
Speaker 1: And in retrospect it's it's never you know, anything to
Speaker 1: intense or you know, my my fuse is not short
Speaker 1: in the sense that I feel that I get angry,
Speaker 1: but I'll react because, as we all do, there's an
Speaker 1: insecurity that I'm not willing to just sort of own.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's funny. More and more I'll sort
Speaker 1: of visualize myself in the doctor's office and he hits
Speaker 1: the knee with the rubber mallet and it pops up,
Speaker 1: and that's my literal sort of emotional reaction to certain things.
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example of a knee jerk
Speaker 1: reaction to something that you've either in the moment or
Speaker 1: later gone back and thought, you know what that was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty. I guess you'd have to ask my
Speaker 1: wife too. That's probably example. This was somebody on the
Speaker 1: other end of the knetz Jack reaction getting kicked. Yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: I think what it is is like, in our early
Speaker 1: days of working, there was a bit of a structure
Speaker 1: kind of to the things that we were doing because
Speaker 1: of our partnership with Disney, which is not to say
Speaker 1: that it was a negative experience. In fact, I really
Speaker 1: thought it was great training wheels for all that we did.
Speaker 1: But naturally there's a structure to it, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of rules and guidelines. As the three of us,
Speaker 1: my brothers and I have gotten older, it can be
Speaker 1: a bit of a thing where we sort of react
Speaker 1: to it. So it's like, oh, you know, it's an
Speaker 1: early more tomorrow we would probably get to bed. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll be fine, I don't need to go to bed now.
Speaker 1: If I want to, i'll go, but I don't have to,
Speaker 1: So it's idiotic stuff like that. But when you can
Speaker 1: own it after the fact, I think it's it's all good.
Speaker 1: Are you quite competitive with your brothers? I mean in
Speaker 1: a brotherly way. I don't mean she's sort of like
Speaker 1: achievement's been in a sibling way. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm going to hold out for the
Speaker 1: last drink and I'm going to be the last bed.
Speaker 1: Does that competition exist within your hierarchy? There is a
Speaker 1: natural competitiveness. My brothers both have kids now, so the
Speaker 1: bedtime thing is they're probably thrilled to get to bed,
Speaker 1: you know. I tend to like to stay up a
Speaker 1: bit later. But we are. We're very competitive. We're all
Speaker 1: big golf fans, are all of you golfers? We are,
Speaker 1: And that's the one arena that gets kind of heated.
Speaker 1: I love it. That's only because none of us are
Speaker 1: that good, and so it's it's tragic when you care
Speaker 1: that much but you actually are terrible. The things. I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to ask your handicap, because it's because
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's all about enjoying the game. I
Speaker 1: got yelled at actually on the golf course the other day.
Speaker 1: I was holding the dogs. I was what, we're waiting
Speaker 1: for this guy to take a shot, and he was,
Speaker 1: you know, whack in it, which I believe is the
Speaker 1: technical term whack in the board away from the technical term.
Speaker 1: So it's holding the dogs, keeping quiet, and you know
Speaker 1: what it's like when someone's watching you. I guess because
Speaker 1: he he whacked the ball real bad. It didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and then he turned around and he yelled at me,
Speaker 1: of course it's your fault. I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: standing a hold in the labrador like I didn't. It's
Speaker 1: I think, and then his friends laughed at him. The
Speaker 1: best thing about golf is that you can always blame
Speaker 1: someone else for your bad shots. I've realized that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's because this person talkers, because you did that. There's
Speaker 1: an easy out there in your life. Can you tell
Speaker 1: me of something that grew out of a personal disaster. Yeah, there,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a kind of handful of things, but
Speaker 1: one in particular was a state of flub on stage
Speaker 1: that was on televised performance, which which ended up being
Speaker 1: really difficult for me to deal with after the facts.
Speaker 1: It was just it was very embarrassing and one of
Speaker 1: those things where I just had a brain fart to
Speaker 1: describe it, and I was playing a guitar solo and
Speaker 1: just I couldn't get it. My brain was connecting to
Speaker 1: my my fingers, my hands, and and it wasn't the
Speaker 1: end of the world as as you know, as you
Speaker 1: always are able to sort of process in retrospect, and
Speaker 1: from the thirty ft view, it's a blip and the
Speaker 1: bigger sort of life story. I was sort of asked
Speaker 1: myself the question, would this end up in the screenplay,
Speaker 1: you know, of my life? And if it's not significant,
Speaker 1: significant enough that it would, then it's just let it go.
Speaker 1: But this feels like it would have been something that
Speaker 1: would have marked a moment where I hopefully grew in
Speaker 1: that I was more understanding of the fact that I
Speaker 1: am human and I'm going to make mistakes and that's okay,
Speaker 1: and these things happen. That's really nice. I mean that
Speaker 1: kindness would be the thing that would grow out of
Speaker 1: an embarrassing moment for you, and particularly being really young
Speaker 1: with that happening and feeling humiliated that that's it's always
Speaker 1: good to fall on your face from time to time.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I mean I I
Speaker 1: quite literally do it, and I also figuratively, and I'm
Speaker 1: very clumsy and fall over a lot. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing at all. And I think we're
Speaker 1: also I don't know if you agree, but we're often
Speaker 1: trained to sort of a near ourselves, to pain and
Speaker 1: to looking stupid. But it's the best breeding ground for
Speaker 1: like you said, connecting with your humanity. Completely agree, and
Speaker 1: I often think, you know, like God the universe, I
Speaker 1: didn't need to be humbled, and I was pretty humble before,
Speaker 1: but you show up at the times when you least
Speaker 1: expected and just add a little bit to the humility.
Speaker 1: Jar It's good to keep filling it up. I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree with you more. Also, neurologically, when you talked about
Speaker 1: your brain sort of disconnecting from you being able to
Speaker 1: play the guitar. I was going to play in the
Speaker 1: West End at David Mammitt play, you know, full House.
Speaker 1: I've been doing the show for probably three months, and
Speaker 1: when I went on stage and it was just me
Speaker 1: and another actress on stage and you know, David Mammitt
Speaker 1: very quick fire dialogue, and it was like it was
Speaker 1: like the screen had just come down between all cognitive functions,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember what I was supposed to say,
Speaker 1: frozen in fear and then just spiraled and it sounds
Speaker 1: quite similar to what you experienced. And it was so
Speaker 1: terrifying and weird and anyway, whatever, you get through it.
Speaker 1: But a few weeks later I was talking to this
Speaker 1: guy who's that's his life is starting the brain, and
Speaker 1: I said, look, this thing happened. Why did this happen?
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, it's really it's actually really common
Speaker 1: with creative people. And also when you've remembered something and
Speaker 1: you've repeatedly done something, it stays in the forefront of
Speaker 1: our brain and our memory. But there's a point when
Speaker 1: you've done it so many times that your brain goes,
Speaker 1: you know, we do this all the time. This needs
Speaker 1: to be reredownloaded to a deep storage and in that moment,
Speaker 1: literally when it's switching over, that's when we have these
Speaker 1: moments of complete and utter forgetfulness and disconnection because it's
Speaker 1: the brain quite literally transferring information. I felt so much better,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what do I do? And he said, oh,
Speaker 1: you just go and read the play again and you
Speaker 1: tell your brain I'm needing to relearn this you do
Speaker 1: whatever you did when you first sat down with it.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. It's quite cool. I I love that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing quite like going up on a line on
Speaker 1: stage though it's it's it's the most frightening thing in
Speaker 1: the world. It's shockingly it feels so exposed, exposed and raw.
Speaker 1: And I wonder why it's so terrifying. I wonder what
Speaker 1: we think is actually going to happen, because like, there's
Speaker 1: audience have paid tickets to see us, and they're probably
Speaker 1: all quite nice people, like it's not the Roman colisseum,
Speaker 1: Like they don't want to see us ripped to pieces.
Speaker 1: For me, yeah, I agree with you. It's less about
Speaker 1: the audience. It's the sort of embarrassment of going up
Speaker 1: in front of your cast mates. And I did have
Speaker 1: a succeeding business without really trying Broadway. And there's a
Speaker 1: big monologue and it's very fast and if you if
Speaker 1: you miss, if you hit a speed bump middle of
Speaker 1: it's one of those where you've lost the whole. And
Speaker 1: I hit the speed bump and I kept stumbling and
Speaker 1: my cast mate was looking at me like I had
Speaker 1: a brain problem of some kind. And it was so
Speaker 1: embarrassing more so than the audience. That's interesting. It's peer fear.
Speaker 1: Let's call it that. It's pear fair neck. Absolutely what relationship,
Speaker 1: real or fictionalized, defines love fear, real or fictionalized. I
Speaker 1: would say my parents relationship is quite inspiring to me
Speaker 1: in one that I've always admired. They met very young
Speaker 1: and at college and got married pretty quickly without having
Speaker 1: ever really dated properly. They were just really good friends
Speaker 1: and it evolved into love naturally, and you know, their
Speaker 1: thirty four years. I believe now it's a great relationship
Speaker 1: and certainly inspiring to me. What are the corner stands
Speaker 1: I mean, because again, remember this is all field work
Speaker 1: for me, Like I'm desperate to get answers about everything,
Speaker 1: which is largely why I wanted to do this podcast.
Speaker 1: A thirty four year old marriage becaus a kid. As
Speaker 1: you're watching that as you grow up, do you notice
Speaker 1: all the touchstones rather of what it's built on. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's a kind of a combination of a
Speaker 1: passion and love and being in a moment and all
Speaker 1: these things, but also having a roadmap for success or
Speaker 1: potential success, and you know, being able to set sort
Speaker 1: of certain pillars as a couple and as a family
Speaker 1: that you can actually lean on rely on in addition
Speaker 1: to following your heart and kind of being in the moment,
Speaker 1: which is something that uh, you know, in my life
Speaker 1: I've tried to adopt as well. It's wonderful to be
Speaker 1: spontaneous and really important for the kind of work that
Speaker 1: we do, obviously in a creative field, but also understanding
Speaker 1: who you are. Having that roadmap for success is important.
Speaker 1: And when I say success just mean a healthy life
Speaker 1: and marriage or friendships and relationships. It's tricky that with
Speaker 1: to create two people. And I've just found that in
Speaker 1: my life you can be on the same page spiritually
Speaker 1: and the decisions about whether you want children and how
Speaker 1: you would raise them and kind of who you are,
Speaker 1: but logistically it can be so difficult to kind of
Speaker 1: sink that up. Do you think that compromise, I guess
Speaker 1: is something that you may be noticed in your parents relationship,
Speaker 1: or that there's a loving compromise that one finds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I absolutely hear you on not to creative
Speaker 1: people front that can be tricky. In my parents relationship,
Speaker 1: they were both very creative but also very supportive of
Speaker 1: one another. And then found that balance. And my mom
Speaker 1: and dad will talk about, you know times my dad
Speaker 1: was a singer as well, and oh was he It
Speaker 1: was he was a pastor, and I said, I knew
Speaker 1: as a pastor. I didn't know he was a singer.
Speaker 1: It's very talented. But he would show up, you know,
Speaker 1: in the early days of their marriage and have been
Speaker 1: at the studio until four in the morning she was
Speaker 1: with the three of us, we were quite young, and
Speaker 1: show up with his tapes and she would like lean
Speaker 1: up against the wall to stay awake to listen to it.
Speaker 1: But the fact that she was willing to get up
Speaker 1: out of bed and listen to his thing that he
Speaker 1: was excited about it was really meaningful. And in the
Speaker 1: same way, he would show up for her in ways
Speaker 1: where she was being creative and needed to feel supportive.
Speaker 1: I've found that. But I also know and have experience
Speaker 1: in different relationships in my past and even friendships and
Speaker 1: things like that, times where those two creative forces can
Speaker 1: be really competitive and it's not the best to fit.
Speaker 1: I guess when you say compromise, that's very important and
Speaker 1: an essential piece. But also that willingness to sort of
Speaker 1: at any point in time whether it's during the morning
Speaker 1: or too in the afternoon, and show up and be
Speaker 1: supportive of one's passion about something. What question which you
Speaker 1: most like answered? Well, I am currently reading Sapiens, so
Speaker 1: I'm deep into that world. And also it's simultaneously we
Speaker 1: started watching the first season of Ancient Aliens. So I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to know everything about how it all happened.
Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean the Earth and
Speaker 1: civilization everything, but I would like to know some of it.
Speaker 1: Just give me a little bit, which bit, like are
Speaker 1: you like I would like to know if there was
Speaker 1: a creative hand in the Big Bang, because I mean
Speaker 1: even Harari doesn't get to it in Sapiens, Like I
Speaker 1: was waiting for that to be. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do any spoilers, but like it's not like
Speaker 1: you get to the end of it and it's like,
Speaker 1: this is what's up. I don't want to ruin it
Speaker 1: for you. But there's no specific answer. Yeah, a conclusion,
Speaker 1: yeah no, no, no, it's I saw it trending that direction.
Speaker 1: So if I had like one thing i'd want to know.
Speaker 1: I think one of the most fascinating things to me
Speaker 1: about Homo sapiens is our ability to love one another,
Speaker 1: and how there's a reverse reaction to that, which is violence,
Speaker 1: and understanding why that happens. So that's something that I
Speaker 1: just think is fascinating when that began and when it
Speaker 1: evolved into what it is to day, because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the world's problems could be solved if
Speaker 1: we had some understanding of that piece. I would really
Speaker 1: like to know that as well. I would also really
Speaker 1: like to know why more people aren't talking about the
Speaker 1: little green pyramids that were seen off the naval ship.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this. Oh you need to when
Speaker 1: you get off the phone and you go deep. You
Speaker 1: don't even have to go that deep. It was like
Speaker 1: on the Today Show, it's everywhere. But they finally released
Speaker 1: this footage that I guess the Navy have been recording
Speaker 1: for years, and it's it's epic. I've we've now in
Speaker 1: our household, We've been talking a lot about, you know,
Speaker 1: if there's some bad behavior in our household. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you think the aliens would think about that?
Speaker 1: They were if they were seeing that at the moment
Speaker 1: they're watching, and I wonder what they think, Like, do
Speaker 1: they think that we are just so extraordinarily primitive because
Speaker 1: of the reasons that you just said, because of our
Speaker 1: insane violence and our extraordinary capacity to love. Like, do
Speaker 1: they feel that vibrationally or are they just looking at
Speaker 1: our tactical missiles and and ships and going, boy, that's
Speaker 1: that's some behind stuff. Yeah. I think it's probably a
Speaker 1: combination of both. Do you love space because your record
Speaker 1: is called Space Man, and I did watch a couple
Speaker 1: of your videos and they do seem to be connected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by it a little bit. The album and
Speaker 1: the whole idea that came more so from being kind
Speaker 1: of isolated from the world and feeling disconnected and and
Speaker 1: I wanted to give that a name, sort of an
Speaker 1: era record, a bit of a theme. Didn't necessarily think
Speaker 1: it's a concept album, but it has fragments of that.
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool. Thank you. Did you shoot
Speaker 1: the videos during lockdown as well? We did? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we went out to for the Spaceman video. Were not
Speaker 1: to displace here in California. It's a couple of hours
Speaker 1: away from l A that's at some point was a volcano.
Speaker 1: So the volcanic rock all around this site and pretty
Speaker 1: fascinating place. And then the other one I shot in
Speaker 1: London for a song called This is Heaven. I like
Speaker 1: the fact, you know how, you're writing a screenplay and
Speaker 1: this has happened, and you write his jet pack ignites,
Speaker 1: and then in the Spaceman video, his yeah pack does ignite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to create some you know, Spaceman universe stuff.
Speaker 1: By the way, it worked, Nick Jonas, because I saw
Speaker 1: it and I completely loved it. Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: They're with really beautiful videos. It was like watching a
Speaker 1: short film that they were loving. Thank you. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite question. But what would be
Speaker 1: your last meal? My last meal? I've thought about this
Speaker 1: quite a bit, so it's a little bit off the wall,
Speaker 1: but just go with me for a second hit. First
Speaker 1: course would be a Nioki pesto with pine nuts. That's
Speaker 1: just my favorite. You're the first person, by the way,
Speaker 1: to go already split it into courses, Bravo, carry on.
Speaker 1: Second course would be a Japanese steak some kind not
Speaker 1: like wagu, but like a Japanese seared steak with with
Speaker 1: a soy glaze or something really kind of decadent and amazing.
Speaker 1: And then I would finish it with and this is
Speaker 1: abnormal because should usually confirst, but I finished with a
Speaker 1: piece of pizza, Pepperoni pizza. That's like the final send off. Wait,
Speaker 1: I love I love that that's the final send off.
Speaker 1: So it's there. She's like the last minute in you know,
Speaker 1: the rizzler paper breath between life and death potentially, and
Speaker 1: for you as Pepperoni pizza. Yeah, it's like you know,
Speaker 1: we we start as children loving pizza and eating pizza
Speaker 1: and having no consequences to that and just eat as
Speaker 1: much as it as you want. It's great, and then
Speaker 1: you know, you start choosing other things as you grow up,
Speaker 1: and then going back to that as they send off
Speaker 1: is what I'd want to do. Just the simplicity of it.
Speaker 1: I really love that. Is it also because he is
Speaker 1: from New Jersey and like pizza is in your blood,
Speaker 1: it is. I would argue that there are better not
Speaker 1: per capita, but there are better piece of shops in
Speaker 1: New Jersey than there are in New York. But there
Speaker 1: are also great places in New York. I love. It's
Speaker 1: a bold statement, but I think that's what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do about your home state and I have fund
Speaker 1: some good pizza in London to know. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: by the way, there's like a whole racket going on
Speaker 1: with pizza ovens that people have now got. I've had
Speaker 1: better pizza in people's back gardens because it's crazy therm
Speaker 1: imported from Naples ovens. Then maybe in the stores when
Speaker 1: you're back in London, maybe I'll just give you a
Speaker 1: tip about way you could put one in your in
Speaker 1: back garden. It's good to know. I'm up for it.
Speaker 1: I love a good slice of pizza. So wait, just
Speaker 1: really quickly because I have to clarify. So no dessert.
Speaker 1: Pizza is your dessert. You don't have a sweet tooth
Speaker 1: at all. I do, but I want to end it
Speaker 1: savory the sweet you know you know what that's um.
Speaker 1: It's a very bold choice. No one has been there
Speaker 1: yet and I'm very much here for it. I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough for your time, Thank you for having
Speaker 1: this was great, very welcome, and I'll see you on
Speaker 1: the golf course. Indeed, let's do it. You need your
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