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Speaker 1: This is the Catch twenty two podcast Live from Santa

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Speaker 1: Clara with Evan Lazarre and How It's Bar.

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Speaker 2: Cops, Tops, Top Copstop, Cops Tops Top Touch twenty.

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Speaker 1: To Top Tops, Top Cops Tops, Top of Touch twenty two, Cops.

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Speaker 3: Tops to Top Up.

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Speaker 4: Tops, Tops Tops Tops, Top.

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Speaker 1: Of Touch twenty Tony.

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Speaker 5: We live from Radio Row in San Francisco and Barta.

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Speaker 5: I just said to Marine over here that this feels

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Speaker 5: like the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: All right, this is not.

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Speaker 5: We're no longer out in Santa Clara at the Team Hotel,

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Speaker 5: which is obviously a little bit more subdued than the

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Speaker 5: Media Row, Radio Row, whatever the heck we call it nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Era.

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Speaker 5: This is this is bumping. This is bumping down here.

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Speaker 5: This is really cool. You's got random people walking around

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Speaker 5: and things like.

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Speaker 4: That, but a lot of cool former Patriots here.

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Speaker 5: I am actually more excited to talk about this football

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Speaker 5: game because I feel like a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: get washed away in Super Bowl week is actual football.

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Speaker 3: You get nonsense.

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Speaker 5: We got former Patriots walking around, We got legendary Patriots

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Speaker 5: walking around.

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Speaker 3: We also have media personalities.

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Speaker 5: All that stuff, and I'm glad to sit down here

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Speaker 5: with you and actually talk about this game on Sunday

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Speaker 5: in the Seattle Seahawks and Super Bowl sixty in the

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Speaker 5: game that's actually gonna be played at Levi Stadium in

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Speaker 5: four days, which is gonna come up quick. It's gonna

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Speaker 5: be here before we know it. Just a couple of

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Speaker 5: things to set the table here. We are going to

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Speaker 5: have a couple guests ball knowers like ourselves, not your

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Speaker 5: guests trying to sell you ads.

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Speaker 3: Or something like that.

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Speaker 5: We're going to have Benjamin Solac from ESPN's gonna stop

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Speaker 5: by in about fifteen minutes or so. Sean Siad from

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Speaker 5: Asumer Sports is also going to stop buying the second

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Speaker 5: hour Big X's and O's guy like ourselves.

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Speaker 3: So that would be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: But I wanted to open the show, Alex with our

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Speaker 5: big picture thoughts on this game. I have a whole

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Speaker 5: list of things that we're gonna get into the nitty

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Speaker 5: gritty details of the game over the next two hours.

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Speaker 5: But just where are you at with this football game

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Speaker 5: that is happening Even though all this circus is happening

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Speaker 5: right now and not a lot of people are talking

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 4: No, this happens when you cover the Super Bowl like

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Speaker 4: you get there's so much going on at Radio Row,

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Speaker 4: and I know it sounds weird, but like you're interviewing

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Speaker 4: guests and you're talking to people that you know you

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Speaker 4: don't usually get to see in this and that you know,

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Speaker 4: it hit me today. I'm like, I really haven't done

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Speaker 4: as much on the game as I want to do,

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Speaker 4: so I've been looking forward to the show. My big

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Speaker 4: picture takeaway on this, I think we talked about this

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Speaker 4: a little bit last week, is it's it's a continuation

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Speaker 4: of what's been the narrative of the past few Super Bowls,

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Speaker 4: which is the elite coaching quarterback versus the elite roster.

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Speaker 4: And that's not to say that the Patriots roster is

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Speaker 4: not good. That's not say that Sam Donald and Mike

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Speaker 4: McDonald are not good.

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Speaker 3: But one team.

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Speaker 4: Clearly has the check box the coach and quarterback, and

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Speaker 4: everything else combined. There are some other spots where the

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Speaker 4: Patriots might have an advantage over the Seahawks, but it's close,

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Speaker 4: and it's gone both ways. It's gone both ways. Like

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's been some wild predictions and everybody's

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Speaker 4: on Seattle and picking these blowouts, and like, I don't

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Speaker 4: think it's that simple. Seattle's better team, Seattle's a better roster.

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Speaker 4: It's not impossible for the Patriots to win this game,

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Speaker 4: especially because outside of Drake May, you could argue that

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Speaker 4: the Patriots' biggest strength lines up with the Seahawks' biggest

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Speaker 4: the Patriots pass Russian interior pass rush in particular, built

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Speaker 4: if they can get in Sam Donald's face there and

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Speaker 4: So it's the dynamic is interesting. The dynamic between the

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Speaker 4: two teams interesting because they're built in very different ways.

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Speaker 4: And although the Seahawks are better, I think again, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point.

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Speaker 5: And now is where I was going to kind of

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Speaker 5: start with my analysis in terms of the trenches, and

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Speaker 5: both sides of the ball are going to be the

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Speaker 5: key to the game. Now, I think the Patriots defensive

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Speaker 5: of needs to dominate like Milton Williams and Christian Barmore

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Speaker 5: and kylebon Chase on like they have all playoffs. And

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Speaker 5: also I would put in Zach Korr in the blitzing

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Speaker 5: and the things that they've done to put pressure on quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: Statistically that Sam Darnold, when he's under pressure, when he's

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Speaker 5: his play has dipped this year in those situations. And

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Speaker 5: I think we also saw that happen a little bit in.

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Speaker 5: When you can get the game on Donald's shoulders and

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Speaker 5: it's not the collective, it's on Sam Darnold to go

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Speaker 5: like that. I don't know if he's quite He's grown

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Speaker 5: a lot as a player. He's a significantly better quarterback

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Speaker 5: Patriots fans remember the Ghost game, and I'll completely throw

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Speaker 5: that out of your mind. That's not the Sam Darnald

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Speaker 5: they're gonna see on Sunday. But on that side of

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Speaker 5: talking about the rosters and I agree for the most part.

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Speaker 5: But the one area that the Patriots have a strength

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Speaker 3: So that needs to be a big advantage.

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Speaker 5: And then on the other side, head to head, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean more like this guy is gonna line up

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Speaker 5: And on the other side of the ball too offensively

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Speaker 3: I don't think that.

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Speaker 5: I think that's asking a lot to think that they

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Speaker 5: But can they go out there and survive the matchup

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Speaker 5: and can it not be a tsunami of Seattle pass rush?

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Speaker 5: And I think that if they're able to do that,

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Speaker 5: can't go out there and have a performance where it's like,

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Speaker 5: So I'm not asking Will Campbell, Jared Wilson that offensive

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Speaker 3: But can you just weather the storm? Can you survive it? Well?

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Speaker 4: The thing that makes me nervous there, I think it

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Speaker 4: was you that had this number last week on this

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Speaker 4: the highest in the league? One of the highest.

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Speaker 5: It's so one of the highest in the league. It's

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Speaker 5: twenty five percent of the time. I think what the

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Speaker 4: They run a little bit of everything. It's not like

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Speaker 5: Most of the time when you see stunts, it's like

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Speaker 4: They don't know what the hell he's doing. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, that works really well in Madden. This year

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Speaker 4: and stunts. I don't know if you've been over by

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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna run a bunch of twist and stunts.

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Speaker 4: But two three, I need a two minute warning for

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Speaker 4: like strategic clock mountain for no. But to your point, Uh,

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Speaker 4: it's it's something that the Patriots, especially that young left side,

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Speaker 4: the Patriots in this matchup, as tough as this defense

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Speaker 4: is is Mike McDonald, Jesse Minter, same tree and and

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Speaker 4: so there's some similarities there, there are there are The

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Speaker 4: Chargers line games are not on the level that the

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Speaker 4: Seahawks are. This is a new wrinkle, a new element

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Speaker 4: that they really haven't dealt with this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a they win, I would say, more

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Speaker 5: so in terms of Seattle's pass rush, they win in

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Speaker 5: two ways.

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Speaker 3: I think they win with insane depth.

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Speaker 5: They go like like six or seven deep in terms

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Speaker 5: would say. I would say the other way that they

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Speaker 5: win a lot is with scheme like I don't know

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Speaker 5: if this is Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter off the

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Speaker 5: edge that have they have these like just terrific one

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Speaker 5: pass rushers that they have, the stunt schemes, the pressures

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Speaker 5: that they do bring in terms of the blitzes when

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Speaker 5: they do decide to bring extra rushers, and all that

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Speaker 5: and that it can it can put any offensive line

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Speaker 5: be the first offensive line.

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Speaker 3: In Super Bowl history to start two rookies.

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Speaker 5: Not only are they starting two rookies, but they're starting

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Speaker 3: I just I don't really.

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Speaker 5: Think that Cover six is the type of coverage that

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Speaker 4: In the case of Seattle, use it more as a

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Speaker 5: Well, this team quarters, now, okay, yeah, so you know

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Speaker 5: It's just a different picture to present to the quarterback,

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Speaker 5: Warren Sharp put it out there. I think Bdard was

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Speaker 4: That's got to be like a recognition mental thing, right,

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Speaker 3: I would say that my guess is, and this is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my guess is that he McDaniel's a lot of

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Speaker 5: what they do is coverage shell based right. If it's

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Speaker 4: And now we're back to this conversation, you're not.

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Speaker 5: Going one, two, three through progression. You're reading sides of

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Speaker 5: kind of throwing I guess, like them through a loop

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Speaker 5: that is, Okay, could they just play more peer progression

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thats gonna give you time to do, right.

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Speaker 5: So are you gonna really sit there and go one

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Speaker 3: Now you could go one two in run.

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Speaker 4: You know he could be that wait to go back

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Speaker 4: to the line games. Yeah, when you do that, when

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Speaker 4: you know, shoulder aside and and we haven't we haven't

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Speaker 4: gotten the injury report yet, right, No, get it sure

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Speaker 4: because they're maybe during our show. I was gonna say

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is.

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Speaker 4: Another game where I don't mind if Drake May's running

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Speaker 4: want him to be aggressive to look to run. Seattle

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Speaker 4: allowed the fifth most rushing yards per carry to quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the number off scrambles that's carries total.

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Speaker 4: now you don't have those line games. They just got

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Speaker 4: Now you have more time, and maybe you can go

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that his legs is one of the

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Speaker 5: key to the X factor because they're so good Seattle

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Speaker 3: They're just very, very sound. They're very good at it.

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Speaker 5: They don't give up a lot of numbers in coverage,

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Speaker 5: they don't bring a lot of pressure without dropping guys

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Speaker 5: So there's not a lot of space out there most

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Speaker 3: The one thing that you think.

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Speaker 5: because if they're so good just in their fundamental you know,

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Speaker 4: Now you're you're gonna have to earn it. You're gonna

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Speaker 5: All right, let's take a few calls. We're weighing on

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Speaker 5: our first guest here. Let's take a few of these

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Speaker 3: Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean? Seanni? There?

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Speaker 4: Hey? Hello, Hey, how were doing well?

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Speaker 6: Coreat How are you guys? Welcome to the West Coast?

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: So, you know what, what's kind of funny is the

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Speaker 6: first seed and the second seed have played each other

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Speaker 6: how if it even is offered, the advantage keeps go

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Speaker 6: to the second seed. But the main reason I'm colling

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Speaker 6: have in terms of how the Seahawks approaches. So on defense,

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Speaker 6: I think they should pressure and challenge the left side

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Speaker 6: Also get to Drake May while rushing for bracket stuff

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Speaker 6: on digs, cover running back for quick passes, and prevent

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Speaker 6: May from the beating them with his legs. On offense,

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Speaker 6: they should try and have success on early downs by

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks, Sean.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's kind of the book we live. When

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Speaker 4: beat Patriots? Right? For self scouting, that's more or less

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: I think let's ask Ben, because I think that this

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Speaker 3: I think it's that headset, Yeah, there we are there,

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Speaker 3: he is, what's up? Who me? Yeah? You exactly?

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Speaker 5: I think that you know we are so close Ben

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Speaker 5: Seattle as well. And the callers calling in just now

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Speaker 5: asking us what would you do to attack this Patriots

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I'd like to spread them out, and I'd

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Speaker 7: like to see if I can get guys like Craig

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Speaker 7: find out how the Patriots want to match that, because

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna force those safeties as linebackers to chase. And

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Speaker 7: if you're trying to zone all that off, now I

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Speaker 7: And so it's going to be interesting to see when

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Speaker 3: If they go for base, they're gonna throw.

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Speaker 7: run the ball with cannithal Walker. And then the other

441
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Speaker 7: thing is right, like I said, you're gonna see them,

442
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Speaker 7: you know, go to lighter personnel, get us some spread formations,

443
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 7: get some them to get to some gun and say okay,

444
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 7: like listen, you know, Craig, you've had a wonderful, wonderful season.

445
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 3: You are a fourth round rookie playing in the Super Bowl.

446
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 3: We are gonna throw the football last year.

447
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 7: We're really gonna test and to see kind of what

448
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 7: you are as the caliber of a coverage player. And

449
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 7: they're do the same thing, especially explaining is playing game

450
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 7: beyond the ankle or if it's jack games, what have you.

451
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Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna say, hey, if you want to

452
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Speaker 7: be able to man up on JSN and use gonzals

453
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Speaker 7: that way.

454
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Speaker 3: Well, you got to man up everywhere else, and then

455
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Speaker 3: we're gonna start to test some of those scondary players.

456
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Speaker 4: Hyper specific question along those lines, but it was something

457
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 4: that got a lot of play coming out of that win.

458
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 4: In the NFC Championship game, Jas sent out of the backfield,

459
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Speaker 4: how much do we see that? And what how do

460
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 4: you counter that? Like you put Christian Zolz in the box,

461
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 4: them follow them out or what.

462
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So it's funny because you know Jay said in

463
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Speaker 7: the back that you know, how do you counter this?

464
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Speaker 3: Every zone coverage has rules for if the back is vertical? Right.

465
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Speaker 3: The thing is that you just don't see a lot and.

466
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Speaker 7: So if you're not sitting there like every team before

467
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Speaker 7: they play the forty nine ers or before they play

468
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Speaker 7: the Falcons, we have bejeon Christian McCaffrey, they sit down

469
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 7: during the week Tuesday way, it's like, hey, guys, remember

470
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Speaker 7: you know when we're in this and this is our check.

471
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Speaker 3: If the back's vertical, this is who's got them? Right.

472
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Speaker 7: You obviously don't see a lot of back vertical just

473
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Speaker 7: as general concepts, but when you played those teams, you

474
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Speaker 7: prepare for this. Now, the Seahawks are leveraging this by saying,

475
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Speaker 7: all right, we're just gonna motion this player into the backfield.

476
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Speaker 3: Then we're using them that way.

477
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Speaker 7: And so because the card has been played, it's gotten

478
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Speaker 7: under the table.

479
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: The Patriots will be well equipped and ready for that.

480
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Speaker 7: But the thing is, as a Clint Kubiak, if I say, okay,

481
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Speaker 7: if I know if I get JSN in the backfield,

482
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Speaker 7: they're gonna have the zone checket, So we're gonna be

483
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Speaker 7: really hard to play him man coverage coming out of

484
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Speaker 7: the backfield.

485
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Speaker 3: Well, now, if I know you're.

486
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Speaker 7: In zone, now I can manipulate you in other ways,

487
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 7: and I can get you know, Cooper Cup open this

488
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 7: way and that way, and so on and so forth.

489
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Speaker 3: And so it's not something they're gonna do all the time.

490
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Speaker 7: Right, if the Seahawks walk out one hundred percent JSN backfield,

491
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 7: patrists can be like, heck, yeah, this dude's five hours

492
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Speaker 7: by line. You know that's overall he'll win for the Patriots.

493
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Speaker 7: But now that you've seen the card play, you'll just

494
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Speaker 7: see the Patriots be a lot less taken it back

495
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Speaker 7: on their heels when that happens. Relative to how the Rams.

496
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Speaker 5: Felt I have two questions for you bas off what

497
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Speaker 5: you just said. First one, stick with JASN for a second.

498
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Speaker 5: I think that one of the things that we always

499
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Speaker 5: hear about is there are certain games where Christian Gonzales

500
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Speaker 5: just doesn't travel with the number one wide receiver YEP,

501
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Speaker 5: for whatever a reason. And I feel like when I

502
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Speaker 5: look at this matchup with JAYSN, because of the backfield stuff,

503
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 5: because of the slot stuff, because of all the motion

504
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 5: that they put him in, and all these different things

505
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 5: they do with him, it's kind of hard to travel

506
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 5: with a guy like that that's not just in one

507
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 5: place all the time. Ye you know, have you seen

508
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 5: teams have any success trying to shadow him?

509
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 3: And what would you do against him?

510
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 7: So nobody's had success shadowing him, he shouldn't try it.

511
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 7: The teams that played the best against JSN the two

512
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 7: games that turn to the Vikings game, he had two catches.

513
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Speaker 3: For twenty seven yards.

514
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 7: Brian Flores good at his job, baby, And then you

515
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 7: have the Panthers game he had nine catches for seventy

516
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 7: two yards only eight yards perception. Bad day in the

517
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Speaker 7: office for JSN. And in those games you saw that

518
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 7: length got it him with a line of scrimmage, Isaiah Rodgers,

519
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 7: Mike Jackson. We're gonna press him aggressively, and then we're

520
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 7: going to have a half safety on top. It's going

521
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Speaker 7: to allow us to be physical with a line of

522
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Speaker 7: scrimmage with him. We're not going to lose to verticality, right,

523
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Speaker 7: because that's the thing with Jay Sennit. He's a wicked

524
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 7: quick So okay, press him. You're bigger than him, are

525
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 7: longer than him. Great, but the moment you lose, he's gone, right,

526
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Speaker 7: And so you know, it's it's not dissimilar. It's a

527
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 7: crazy comp but it's not dissimilar to the Tyreek kill

528
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Speaker 7: aspec where it's like, yeah, of course you want to

529
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 7: press the guys, just.

530
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Speaker 3: Once you miss it's ball game.

531
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And so these teams put a half safety on top, right,

532
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Speaker 7: the Vikings, especially if you actually have the Vikings played him,

533
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Speaker 7: the Vikings would have a man cover corner on him,

534
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 7: not playing like you know, a half playing a leverage right, Oh,

535
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 7: I know I've helped. The inside is playing him a

536
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Speaker 7: straight man. But then also with a safety, so they're

537
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Speaker 7: not saying, oh, you know, bracket cover him like no, no,

538
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 7: just pressing, be physical, playing man, but we're gonna give

539
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Speaker 7: you help regardless. You know, now, the Patriots, as you

540
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 7: guys will know, have not played with a lot of

541
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Speaker 7: half field safeties right when they play two highlights to

542
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 7: play quarters and not of the safeties to drill down.

543
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Speaker 7: So you'd be curious to see if they if they

544
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 7: use the two man button, not a big button for

545
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Speaker 7: him to the traveling point you kind of saw in

546
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 7: the middle of the season, right, becauz Aals had the

547
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 7: game against Drake London and t Higgins. He had the

548
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 7: MKA Buca game where they I think they wanted to

549
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 7: make sure they had the arrow in their quiver where

550
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 7: if they wanted to travel him they could. They kind

551
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 7: of figured out how to make it work and then

552
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Speaker 7: they don't need to do it all the time. Carlton

553
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 7: Davis had a great year, Marcus Jones had a great year.

554
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 7: And traveling costs a lot in your defensive structure.

555
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 4: Right.

556
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 7: Roberts Sola had a great quote about this before they

557
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Speaker 7: played the Rams or no, the play the Seahawks.

558
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Speaker 3: Excuse me the division Roundhe he was.

559
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Speaker 7: Like, man, it's a lot harder in our calls to

560
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 7: travel the guy than you might think, because like He

561
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 7: just really limits what you can what you can deceive,

562
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 7: what you can hide.

563
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: From the opposing offense.

564
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Speaker 7: So I think you will see Gonzalez travel with JSN

565
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 7: on like third and sevens on like, hey, we were

566
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 7: always going to be manning up anyway, so now he's going.

567
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: To move left and right with him.

568
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Speaker 7: Otherwise, Carlton Davis is pretty well equipped to give JSN

569
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 7: the troubles that the very few relative troubles to Jayson

570
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 7: has in terms of the length and strength to line

571
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 7: of scrimmage, Davis is good at that. It's just you

572
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 7: have to get a safety on top because Davis does

573
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 7: not have the recovery speed that Gonzalez does where if

574
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Speaker 7: he loses as a line, Jason's gonna take them for

575
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Speaker 7: a touchdown.

576
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

577
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Speaker 5: It's really the shadowing thing is It fascinated to me

578
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: because Zach Korr has talked a lot about it as well,

579
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 5: and he's mentioned multiple times about disguising and if you're shadowing,

580
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 5: it really undresses the coverage a lot for the offense, yep,

581
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 5: because especially if you know it's an outside corner like

582
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 5: is now playing in the slot because he's man to

583
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 5: man on js N and you know it's man and

584
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 5: you know where everybody's gonna kind of be. The other

585
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 5: thing that you mentioned there was about how they're gonna

586
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 5: match heavy personnel, and the Seahawks don't play a lot

587
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 5: of three receiver They play a lot of heavy personnel groupings.

588
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 5: And Marcus Jones has had a great season. I just

589
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 5: in this type of matchup, especially a team that wants

590
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 5: to run as much outside zone as they do. You know,

591
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: if you play a straight three corner nickel against them

592
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 5: and their heavy groupings, you know, I do worry a

593
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 5: little bit about the Patriots holding up against the run

594
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Speaker 5: in that kind of look.

595
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Speaker 7: And you also, like when you are an eleven personnel,

596
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 7: you're gonna get cup in the slot. And if Marcus

597
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 7: Jones struggles with a guy he struggles with the power forward, right,

598
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 7: that's that form out of slot where he just Marcus

599
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 7: will be on him, but Marcus doesn't have the length

600
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Speaker 7: of the side. Yeah, they're really getting to the catch

601
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Speaker 7: point and so it's gonna be one of those days

602
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 7: where Marcus Jones is like not a bigger part of

603
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 7: the game plan, you know, not super critical. They're gonna

604
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 7: be a more base and then there's gonna come right

605
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 7: a critical third and six where they are in eleven,

606
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Speaker 7: and guess who's in the slots?

607
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Speaker 3: JAYSN. And also it's like, hey, Marcus, this is the

608
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: whole game. Maybe you know, so he might.

609
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 7: Play, you know, fifty percent of the snaps set of

610
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 7: seventy five percent of the snaps, but man, that fifty percent, like,

611
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 7: you know, huge fifty percent. JSN does not play in

612
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 7: the slot new as much as he used to. Right,

613
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 7: eighty percent of his rats this year have been out wide,

614
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 7: eighty two percent of his targets, he's been an outside receiver.

615
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 7: But but when they want to get to a bucket

616
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 7: right third and five and they want to hit a slant,

617
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 7: that boy goes to the slot and he beats everybody, right,

618
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 7: And so Marcus' reps may be few, but man, they're

619
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Speaker 7: going to be critical.

620
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Speaker 4: We we're talking a lot about JSN and people who

621
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 4: have watched past Patriots Super Bowls, it's never the number

622
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: one receiver that gets them. It's somebody else. And Cooper

623
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Speaker 4: Cup's not nobody, like he's a he's a household name,

624
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: but he's become the sidecar in this offense. And I

625
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: know last year with him and Pookie maybe was too,

626
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: but truly now but uh, a savvy veteran on a

627
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: younger offense and a guy that Carlton Davis told me

628
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 4: over earlier today. I thought this was interesting. He said,

629
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Speaker 4: Cooper Cup does a very good job at getting other

630
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 4: guys open and as a route runner, being able to

631
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Speaker 4: get other guys open. You mentioned, you know, Marcus Jones

632
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: is sometimes the second corner of the slot corner being

633
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: in a size disadvantage. There is Cooper Cup maybe a

634
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: bigger threat in this game. Then people are making hi

635
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 4: because everybody's focused on JSN.

636
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 7: So yes and no, because Cup will get his buckets

637
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 7: and he'll get his fifteen yard explosive on his own play,

638
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 7: and he will get his third down conversion or a

639
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 7: little option route. But in general, like you know, we're

640
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 7: talking about the Seahawks. They won the Anson championsh game.

641
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 7: This is really good team. If you get them to

642
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 7: be a target Cup instead of JSN team, you largely

643
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 7: did your job.

644
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: And if you lose to the Cooper Cup game.

645
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 7: He started here as old as twenty twenty six, you

646
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 7: lose with the Cooper Cup game, you know, like you said,

647
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 7: Patriots fans, No, it tends to be the second receiver.

648
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 7: But sometimes that's what you gotta do, is you gotta say,

649
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 7: this is the guy who's going to beat us, Right,

650
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 7: the guy that I would be most worried about in

651
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 7: terms of the non JSN receivers causing you problems is

652
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 7: Shaheed on the big explosive. Yeah, I think the Patriots

653
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 7: are gonna you know, I think this game is gonna

654
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 7: be grime. I think it's gonna be low scoring. It's

655
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 7: gonna go fast, run, you know, ball possession, the clock's

656
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 7: gonna run, it's gonna be a lot of punts. And

657
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 7: I think the Patriots want to get this to a

658
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 7: spot where they say, all right, if we can get

659
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 7: this game close enough that two or three explosives decides it.

660
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 7: We have our speedy players, we have our great returners,

661
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 7: like you know, we'll get those takeaways on Sam Donald,

662
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 7: Like we can get this game to be lowscoing, grind

663
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 7: me and then Drake mayl league explosive passes this year, Like,

664
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 7: let's just do it that way. And if you take

665
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 7: that there and you get it's to that fifty to fifty,

666
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 7: that's great.

667
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: But man, Seattle's got this guy.

668
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 7: Rahid she Heat right, Yeah, And so you've seen Seattle

669
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 7: when they're down in these games and they're in the

670
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 7: second half. Heat has that clean putp Mattorney has that

671
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 7: jet handoff that really just gets them right in a

672
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 7: field goal range. And so if you, I think, if you,

673
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 7: if you have the first half of you won, you

674
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 7: go in the locker room and it's ten to seven,

675
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 7: You're like, man, it's just gonna be one player. We're

676
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 7: gonna get them to that spot. The other locker room's

677
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 7: gonna be saying, Hey, it's just gonna be one play

678
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 7: and they're.

679
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: Gonna go to twenty two. So she's the.

680
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: Guy that I worry about real quick because Patriots fans. Look,

681
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 4: this is Patriots fans right during the Super Bowl, and

682
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: they still get some questions about the trade deadline.

683
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

684
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: Jacobe Myers was obviously the the like that's as good

685
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: as the trade deadline realistically gets the NFL. But you know,

686
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: it was Rashid Shihed maybe second in terms of the

687
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: best deadline move around the NFL. And do you think

688
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: there was an edge rusher equivalent that was available at

689
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: the deadline?

690
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 7: Trying to think of some of the other deadline moves

691
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 7: like this is two months ago, which means it was

692
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 7: nine years ago.

693
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: Right, No, yeah, I know I'm putting you on the

694
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: spot there.

695
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: Jalen Phillips I think comes to mind as probably the

696
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 5: one edge guy that moved that.

697
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: Jamie is in the same can. Jalen was a big move.

698
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 7: I do think that the as like you know, when

699
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 7: you look to see defensive performances in the Super Bowl,

700
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 7: you tend to see teams are the better edge rush

701
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 7: presence than the Patriots have. There is no question with

702
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 7: that said, boy Milliwillams Chris Barber play a little potball.

703
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: Those guys are.

704
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 7: And that's the thing is if you're not going to

705
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 7: be a team with dominant edge presence, which let's you know,

706
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 7: talk to Mike McDonald defense for a second. The whole

707
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 7: premise of this defense is we don't really play pass

708
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 7: rushers at the ede rusher spots. Guess you guys to

709
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 7: defend the run is, hey, you gotta have a really

710
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 7: good interior rush, and the Patriots and the six Bolls

711
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 7: have both had that, and then you have to be

712
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 7: able to either simulate pressure McDonald or blitz. And that's

713
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 7: what the Patriots have really done since to be fourteen

714
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 7: and so while yes, you know you're you're going to

715
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 7: be ringing the bell with Caleb on Chason on the

716
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 7: third and long and maybe that's not as much star

717
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 7: power at Edge Rusher as you might hope and expect

718
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 7: for a Super Bowl team. I do have a lot

719
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 7: of faith in Zac curR and I do have a

720
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 7: ton of faith in this interior pass rush to be

721
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 7: the kind of the the the scale tipping unit here

722
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: for the Patriots defense, I want.

723
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 5: To ask you a little bit about Drake may and

724
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: and just good player out of ten, But what have

725
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 5: you seen though on the film in the layoffs compared

726
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 5: to the regular season. And you know, I think Patriots

727
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 5: fans and I tend to do it sometimes too, you know,

728
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 5: great defenses, bad weather, you know, like all those things

729
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 5: kind of bogging it down. Where do you fall in

730
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: It's kind of a circumstantial thing versus he's not playing

731
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: as well.

732
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 7: So it's important because like we love context and we

733
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 7: love to separate things from context, and so you know,

734
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 7: you get into this all the numbers and the weather

735
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 7: and then this and that and the other thing. It's

736
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 7: the weather, it's the defenses. It is like sometimes we

737
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 7: get too smart for our own good. Like to me,

738
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 7: ninety six percent of May's performance in the postseason can

739
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 7: be explained by it snowed in two of the three

740
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 7: of the games he played three top ten defenses, and

741
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 7: two of the defenses he played were top three defenses.

742
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 7: It was also the case in these games that the

743
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 7: game quickly devolved into, Hey, like, we have the lead,

744
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 7: let's just you know, kind of sit on this and

745
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 7: control this. And that's where to me, the part that

746
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 7: the lands on May. And this is something that all

747
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 7: young players do, especially young passers do when they get

748
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 7: into the playoffs and they go, all right, let's score

749
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 7: twenty four points on one play. Baby, you can't, man,

750
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 7: you can only score seven. In reality, let's just get

751
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 7: a first down. So a lot of these May sacks

752
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 7: and these May fumbles been man if I just hold

753
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 7: this ball for another half second, you know, Keashom Boody's

754
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 7: going to be open forty yards down the field. And

755
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 7: the thing you want to tell Drake is like, while

756
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 7: that is sick, y' also just might not complete it,

757
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 7: like as a forty yard pass scramble get to a

758
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 7: second and six, Like let dance with the one that

759
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 7: brought you be hyper efficient with May and now approaching

760
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 7: the super Bowl and him having these these games. It's

761
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 7: tricky because you're going up against the Seattle team where

762
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 7: it's like, listen, you're gonna need him to be superhero

763
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 7: to get your explosive. Seattle's the second lowest explosive playerrate

764
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 7: given up by defense in the last fifteen years. Right,

765
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 7: nobody gets explosives on Seattle. The only way to do

766
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 7: it is to break the defensive structure by scrambling, getting

767
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 7: out out of the pocket and winning on the backyard

768
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 7: football right, winning in a little dirt pad drawn up

769
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 7: to play something that made spectacularly well. So he's had

770
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 7: these three games and a lot of fumbles and a

771
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 7: lot of sacks, and the note on the sideline has

772
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 7: been like, hey man, just calm down, just ex scoot

773
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 7: the offense, just dank and dunk. You'll be fine. And

774
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 7: then you get to the playoffs and it's like, hey,

775
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 7: then we need you to go put right yeah through that.

776
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 7: But the Superman cake on. So it's it is a

777
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: big challenge in terms of his your kind of disposition

778
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 7: and his headspace and where he's at.

779
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: Right now as a young player. Here in the postseason. Yeah,

780
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: you mentioned sorry you can go.

781
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 5: You mentioned the play extension against the sex defense, and

782
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: I've kind of zoned in on that a little bit now.

783
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 5: The next gen numbers say that they give up the

784
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 5: most passing yards in the league on the play, you know,

785
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: extended dropbacks. Some of that seems like it's a little

786
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: bit of desperation where guys are kind of running around

787
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: trying to save themselves. Long witted question, but that seems

788
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: to me like something May could maybe do that Stafford

789
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 5: and Purty maybe weren't quite as good at in that

790
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: this is such a good structurally sound defense exactly that

791
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 5: you're not going to just beat him straight up, and

792
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 5: he might need Drake May to get out of the

793
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 5: pocket and not necessarily even just run, but maybe even

794
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 5: as a thrower makes some plays like that.

795
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, the play extension stat for the Seahawks' survivor bias

796
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 7: where it's it's their defense is so good in structure

797
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 7: that when they give up passing yards, it's inherently out

798
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 7: of structures. They wouldn't give it up instructure in the

799
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 7: first place. The stat that I keep coming back to

800
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 7: is of the ten quarterbacks this year, with the most

801
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 7: rushing yards per games. He always played one of them.

802
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 7: It's Baker Mayfield in week two, he's ninth.

803
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: Right.

804
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 7: They did not play Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts,

805
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 7: Drake may Patrick Mahomes. They did not play the extended

806
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 7: guys Kalla William, c J.

807
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: Stroud.

808
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 7: They did not play these dudes, right and so well.

809
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 7: They played CJ but got hurt. This year they had

810
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 7: a Jane Daniels game. They had a Kyler Murray game.

811
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 7: In general, they have not faced a quarterback who can

812
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 7: explode in the running game, you know, like they had

813
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 7: the Rock Burda games. Oh you know, third and six

814
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 7: scramble for the first down, explode in the running game the

815
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 7: way that Drake can. Similarly, they have not faced one

816
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 7: of these guys who when he gets outside of the

817
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 7: pocket and he starts, you know, you this way, you

818
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 7: this way, just deform this guy whatever, can really make

819
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 7: some magic happen. Right, and so what Seattle is going

820
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 7: to be tested by, you know, like you look at

821
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 7: their numbers. Everything is his first place, the first place

822
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 7: on extended drop backs like ninth and eighty, paper drop

823
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 7: back twelve and success rate still good.

824
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: But this is where there's a little bit of a

825
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: crack in the armor.

826
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 7: And so again with Drake, you're gonna tell him, listen,

827
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 7: be out of the pocket fast. If you see it

828
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 7: upfield and you want to take it, go take it

829
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 7: right now. No one's gonna come to you on the

830
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 7: sideland and be like, hey man, third of the progression

831
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 7: you had Romandra, No, no, no, just go. And then

832
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 7: when you get outside of the pocket and you break

833
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 7: that first tackle and you're running horizontal.

834
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: Shoot right.

835
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 7: If it's Stephan Diggs against Rereek Wollan, he's given up

836
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 7: two inches and four it just throw it anyway, because

837
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 7: we need to hit some of those high variance plays in.

838
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 3: Order to be a defense like this.

839
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: First of all, good survivor bias poll. We love pulling

840
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: random whatever you're gonna call it, psychological revery, love or whatever,

841
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: very applicable to the NFL, probably more than should be.

842
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: I as somebody studied made closely, I'm just curious here

843
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 4: because again we're we're insulated in this New England bubble

844
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: and Drake Drake May May and all that, and I'm

845
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: just curious an outside of his perspective on this Obviously,

846
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 4: he's grown tremendously from last year. And I think part

847
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: of the reason he was picked his eyes. He was

848
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: not just because he's talented. He's twenty one years old,

849
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: and you know, some of the other guys in that

850
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: class twenty five years old, maybe less of a ceiling.

851
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: How much of Drake's growth this year, and I fully

852
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: acknowledge that it's parts of both. How much of it

853
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: is simply he was twenty one now twenty two years old.

854
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: He's young, he's growing into himself, he's growing into the game.

855
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 4: And how much of it do you think was Josh

856
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 4: McDaniels and even Mike Rabol, you know, getting under the hood,

857
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: getting into the lab and tweaking things and fixing things.

858
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 7: I think seventy the first, thirty the second. Oh, that's

859
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 7: not taking anything away from Josh.

860
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 4: No, it's just I just think it's an interesting case

861
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: study with how much he improved.

862
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 7: I think a lot of it is is Rabel and

863
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 7: Josh just aren't the guys who were here previously, and

864
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 7: I think had like, you know, a lot more experience

865
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 7: doing this and had a lot.

866
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: Deeper of a roll that X for it. Drake's rookie season.

867
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 7: I remember I wrote I think it was week sixteen,

868
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 7: weeks seventeen of twenty twenty four. I wrote that Drake

869
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 7: was having a more impressive season than Jaden was, and

870
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 7: Jada was put up like MVP numbers.

871
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: But I was watching Drake.

872
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 7: Just the wide receiver room, the state of that offensive line,

873
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 7: the way that office was being called, just being like

874
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 7: this dude is just sisyphist, right, I mean, like it

875
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 7: is Atlas wrong Greek.

876
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: It is just the world on his shoulders and he

877
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: is he had he had.

878
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 7: I would think it was the tenth best dropback success

879
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 7: rate of a rookie quarterback in the in this century,

880
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 7: and Jaden was like eighth. And now Jaden had like

881
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 7: the explosives and he had the touchdowns. Drake didn't have

882
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 7: those red zone opportunities. But from a down to down

883
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 7: basis what Drake was achieving in his youth in terms

884
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 7: of like.

885
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: Staying ahead of the sticks, making chicken saladut.

886
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 7: You know what in the scramble game, like I was

887
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 7: watching it like, man, if we just get a functional

888
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 7: receiver and a functional left tackle, we're here and lo

889
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 7: and behold, we got a functional receiver, functional tackle, and

890
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 7: it was even more than I could have dreamed. Drake

891
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 7: is It took Josh Allen so long to find the

892
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 7: intersection of Clark Kent Superman right where like this is

893
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 7: when to put the cape on, this is when to

894
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 7: keep the offense chrugging. Justin Herbert, same thing. He was

895
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 7: a lot more Clark Kent. He's had to learn how

896
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 7: to be a little bit more Superman. Drake walked out

897
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 7: and it took him like eighteen twenty games in the

898
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 7: NFL level to be like this is the perfect balance

899
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 7: of success rate and explosives, and to do that is

900
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 7: is astonishing.

901
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: It's one of the eight best quarbacks in football.

902
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: It's a great point talking about last year because I

903
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: remember saying that I think it was around like end

904
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: of October November. Everything about Drake's game screamed this internal

905
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 4: dialogue of fine, I'll do it myself. I guess I

906
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: have to do it myself, and like I think, not

907
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: that he's not doing that anymore, but he's learned how

908
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: to pick his spots and doing it yourself can mean

909
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: so many different things. And he has every club in

910
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: his bag. But there were times where you know, we

911
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: needed the three wood and he hit the five iron,

912
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 4: and he can hit the hell out of the five iron,

913
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: but he needed the three wood. And I think he's

914
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: finally figured out, you know, lining up.

915
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: All those situations.

916
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 7: I tell you, like, you know, we're in year two

917
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 7: of Caleb Williams and he's still calibrating to that, and

918
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 7: you're two of Bonex and man like you know when

919
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 7: when the Denver Red Browns had a great year. But

920
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 7: sometimes they need Bo to be able to hit a

921
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 7: throw down the field and he's still struggling with it.

922
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 7: He usually takes years and years for playmakers like this

923
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 7: at quarterback to calibrate the button. And even then it's

924
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 7: a growing process. Right Josh Allen had it and then

925
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 7: he lost it a little bit this year. Then that's

926
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: always going to be an up and down thing. What

927
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 7: Drake has pulled off in terms of different play styles

928
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 7: for different games in different moments, depending on who I

929
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 7: have available and what the defense asks like that, I'll

930
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 7: never forget the end of the Ravens game where I

931
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 7: was like, all right, that was like we've seen all right,

932
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 7: this is the Patriots down multiple scores to a playoff team.

933
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: What's it going to look like? Drake? Was watched this,

934
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: it just started shooting.

935
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 7: And it's like the fact that the guy could turn

936
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 7: that on and the very next game be like, all right,

937
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 7: precise in you know, incisions eight yards down the field.

938
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: You just don't get dudes this young doing that twenty

939
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: two years old these years. And that's what's it.

940
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: Like?

941
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: You mentioned him in Daniels last year, Daniel's twenty four

942
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: last year, right, maybe it was twenty one.

943
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 7: Yep, I mean it is and and and from a

944
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 7: physical tool kit perspective, he's not precisely Herbert and almost

945
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 7: two names I brought up.

946
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: But it's like ninety ninety five percent there.

947
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 7: I mean, like it's so so obnowhed that you guys

948
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 7: got Drake May tries to be off the wall.

949
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: I'm a joint.

950
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: I got two more questions for you, Ben, I'll let

951
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 5: you go the uh Well, First of all, that Baltimore game,

952
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 5: a lot of the coaching staff this week has pointed

953
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 5: to that was when we knew this might be for real, like.

954
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: That, you know, coming back in that game. You need

955
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: a game like that.

956
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: The one thing that has gone around, I know if

957
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 5: you've been able to see this at all, is this

958
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: cover six thing.

959
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: That I saw that song. I don't I don't understand

960
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: what's happening. I saw like one tweet.

961
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw one tweet about it yesterday too. We're all,

962
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: you know, busy this week.

963
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: What's the what's the thing, what's the show?

964
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 5: The argument is is that Seattle's gonna win the Super

965
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: Bowl playing cover six against Drake May. Okay, that that's

966
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: like sort of the blueprint against Drake May and the

967
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 5: Buffalo game they did play a little bit more Cover

968
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 5: six Buffalo did the second Buffalo game obviously.

969
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: That they lost.

970
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 5: Uh, And then you know, just looking at his EPA

971
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 5: per drop back, it cover six is his worst coverage

972
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 5: in terms of VPA per drop back.

973
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 7: What are looking at like eighty eighty total drop backs

974
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 7: in that like ninety I think Taylor has the number.

975
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: I think that they've dropped back.

976
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 5: Seattle has played like one hundred and fourteen covered snaps

977
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 5: and cover six it's higher, you know, a pretty high

978
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: percentage in terms of relatively speaking. I guess my question

979
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: is is that, you know, I kind of feel like

980
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: cover six is not really a coverage that you see

981
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: teams like foundationally build a game plan around, Like this

982
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 5: is what we're gonna sit in the entire game.

983
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 7: And if they play one covers the entire game, the

984
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 7: Patriots will win the Super Bowl because by twy three

985
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 7: they'll know what they're getting. Yeah, there's been one game

986
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 7: in NFL and not history when my living memory of

987
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 7: the NFL, in which a team walked out with one

988
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 7: coverage and it just broken offense. And that was the

989
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 7: Brian Flores cover zero game against Lamar back in the day,

990
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 7: like when nineteen. Otherwise you have to throw a variety

991
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 7: of coverages. Now cover six. This again, we're done a

992
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 7: little bit of selection bias here. It is not that

993
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 7: cover six is a good you know, a defensive breakstrike

994
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 7: may It is that the good defense is run cover six.

995
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: Right.

996
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 7: The cover six is like as like a Fangio thing

997
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 7: and as a McDonald thing. And so you're if you're

998
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 7: playing you play Zach or in Baltimore, you play the

999
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 7: Sean McDermott with in Buffalo. These are just good defensive

1000
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 7: coaches there running more and more of this, right, this

1001
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: zone coverage that looks different one half of the field

1002
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 7: on the other half of the field. There is nothing

1003
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 7: inherent to cover six that is breaking. Drake May's mind,

1004
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 7: Drake Maycy's quarters. He sees half and then sometimes he

1005
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 7: sees it at the same time. He's not like, oh

1006
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 7: my god, who's doing this? Like I promise you, every

1007
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 7: quarterback in the league has a coverage that drop back

1008
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 7: is the worst against. It is not so easy as

1009
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 7: we play this one coverage move in the game.

1010
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1011
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 5: The other question I want to ask you is totally

1012
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: unrelated to the Patriots, but Jeff Statlin, Yeah, retiring or

1013
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: whatever he's doing with your Eagles. I'm a big offensive

1014
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: line guy. Dante Scarneki is like my hero. Jeff Stotland

1015
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 5: is like the Eagles version of that. Just what's your

1016
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: opinion on what's going on with that.

1017
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 7: Stotland is, I would argue, the greatest coach that does

1018
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 7: not head coach in the NFL, and in fact, he

1019
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 7: has the longest tenured right. He has been the Eagles

1020
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 7: office line coach since twenty thirteen. He survived two head

1021
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 7: coach firings, both Jim Kelly and Doug Peterson, so he

1022
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 7: was tied with Fandy Reid for longest tenured coach right,

1023
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 7: longer than any OCNY DC. This was a foundational piece

1024
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 7: of the Eagles three Super Bowl runs and two Super

1025
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 7: Bowl victories. Staltland's running game is not as accepting of

1026
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 7: prestap motion as the modern NFL would like for it

1027
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 7: to be, and so when Sean Manion came in, there

1028
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 7: was gonna either have to be a marriage of what

1029
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 7: Stalin wants to do in the running game and what

1030
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 7: Manyon from Green Bay wanted to do in the passing game,

1031
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 7: or there was gonna have to be a split. And

1032
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 7: clearly for Staltland too, it was reported by Jeff McLain

1033
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 7: last week was demoted from running game coordinator in the

1034
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 7: middle of this season. Clearly for Stalin there was like,

1035
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 7: all right, if you guys want to go to this direction,

1036
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 7: like I'm gonna take my services elsewhere and or retire.

1037
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 7: All good things come to an end. At any point

1038
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 7: when Staltlin was let go, retire, fired left, I'd be like, man,

1039
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 7: this is terrible in this context where you stripped him

1040
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 7: a running game coordinator, presumably to pacify Kevin Patula and

1041
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 7: to make that work, and then you are losing him

1042
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 7: entirely to promote a thirty year old off its cordinator

1043
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 7: in Shan Manyon. I think it's an extremely brutal. Look,

1044
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 7: Sewan Manny goes out there, calls a good OFFENSI fixes

1045
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 7: of Jalen hurts. We're all gonna forget about it, you know.

1046
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: So it's all your eggs are in this, you know,

1047
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 7: very young and very inexperienced basket.

1048
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: Here. We'll see what happens.

1049
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: But like the main thing for me is like, independent

1050
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 7: of what happened, well we'll have it so and so forth.

1051
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 7: I wish the average NFL fan had a understand an

1052
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 7: appreciation for what thirteen seasons of unbelievable. The Eagles left

1053
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 7: tackle is a rugby player from Australia who never played

1054
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 7: the sport. Between the seventh round, he's been an All

1055
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 7: Pro player, Like this is truly one of the greatest

1056
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 7: coaches of our generation.

1057
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah you're you're in the right fan base area. Yeah,

1058
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: they get it. They get it.

1059
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 5: Was scar we get it all right really quickly. Do

1060
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 5: you have a game pick? If you pick Seattle, we

1061
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: won't hate you, but maybe a little bit.

1062
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 7: So I picked Initially, I picked Patriots for the ESPN thing,

1063
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 7: like all the expert selections, and then I wrote my

1064
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 7: column and I tried to pick Seahaks on the column

1065
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 7: and I said you can't splits. I really like to split.

1066
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 7: I said you can't split, So made me pick and

1067
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 7: I lean Seattle. I think it's gonna be an extremely

1068
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 7: close game. I think it's gonna be very low scoring

1069
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 7: in the first halving. It's gonna be really tight field

1070
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 7: position in punts. I think Seattle is the team. It's

1071
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 7: a little bit better roster wise pulled a pole. I

1072
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 7: do think Drake May has the superhero cape a lot

1073
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 7: better than Sam Donald does. Need we need multiple Donald turnovers,

1074
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 7: so we need Miller Williams Christian Barmber to really dominate.

1075
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 7: You cannot score touchdowns aginst Seattle unless you get short

1076
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 7: fields average touchdown drive against Seattle. The season starts with

1077
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 7: the forty one yard line, dude, like it's the second

1078
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 7: closest to the goal line among the league defenses. And

1079
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 7: so you get those turnovers, We're there. It's gonna come

1080
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: down to one play. It's gonna come down to one

1081
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 7: explosive touchdown. If you cannot turn Sam Donald over, they're

1082
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 7: just gonna lean on you. They're gonna break you over

1083
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 7: sixty minutes. So I think seventeen thirteen was the score

1084
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 7: I put in Seattle.

1085
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: Let me ask you one more thing real quick along

1086
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 4: those lines. Last time these teams played Chris Matthews Malcolm Butler,

1087
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: people run into their computers to Google maybe the two

1088
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 4: best players in that game. If we get one of those,

1089
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: one of those guys, it's gonna break Google. It's gonna

1090
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: break the Internet. In this matchup, somebody nobody sees coming.

1091
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: Who do you like? I do like Kyle Williams for it.

1092
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 7: My bold production was a Kyle Williams fifty yard touchdown

1093
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 7: because Patriots are gonna need explosives. I'm trying to get

1094
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 7: the bold to Travan Henderson and Kyle Williams, not in

1095
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 7: super high volumes because like those aren't your your engines. Well,

1096
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 7: you have to give those guys bites at the apple

1097
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 7: because Seattle doesn't give up explosives. And so if you

1098
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 7: get an explosive and it goes for twenty five yards, no, no,

1099
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 7: we need fifty.

1100
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: We need seventy five. Like, if you get it, it's

1101
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: gotta go.

1102
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 7: And so I ran to see Kyle involves a little

1103
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: bit more. I do think Marcus Jones's the punt return

1104
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 7: part is a really important part of this. I think

1105
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 7: it's gonna be a lot of punt in this game.

1106
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 7: Seattle's gonna be very happy to play the field position

1107
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 7: game because their punt unit has been so good and

1108
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 7: the punt returning has been so good. So if you,

1109
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 7: as Marcus Jones, can get that big return to prevent

1110
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 7: Seattle from accumulating that small edgend of the return game,

1111
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 7: that's a big deal as well. So Marcus Jones and

1112
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 7: Kyle Williams, the speedy players, those the ones I keep

1113
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 7: off love it.

1114
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

1115
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 5: Well, he's Benjamin Solak at ESPN. You knew that though,

1116
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: and you should definitely give him a follow. He's a

1117
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 5: kindred spirit of ours. As you can tell. Ben, thanks

1118
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 5: so much for fallasanks for stopping by.

1119
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. So there's a lot of good things that

1120
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: that Ben just laid out.

1121
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 5: That I had on my list. So now my job

1122
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: is done. I'm just gonna pack up and go home.

1123
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: No. Hey, we even got to the special team stuff too,

1124
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 4: Like this is this is a huge special teams game, Evan.

1125
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 4: I don't think people understand.

1126
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 5: Is it true your there's never been a punt return

1127
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 5: touchdown of the Super Bowl?

1128
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: Is that true? Yeah? So Devin Hester obviously.

1129
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: Been a kick return and Desmond Howard and then I

1130
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 4: think not Percy Harvy.

1131
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Percy Arvin.

1132
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 4: There's never been in fifty at a kick returning kicks return.

1133
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 5: I don't think there's ever been a punt return touchdown

1134
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl. I heard that statu yesterday and I,

1135
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: you know, trusted the person that told me it.

1136
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 4: So I kickoff return touchdowns, longest punt return touchdown can

1137
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: Darry or longest punt return Kadarius Tony sixty five yards? No,

1138
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: Shahena and Marcus Jones are two of the best. And

1139
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 4: it's two good coverage units. But I will say and

1140
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: his thing about the battlefield position. When the Patriots had

1141
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: their issues in kickoff coverage late in the year, right, yeah,

1142
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: and they've been better, not great, but better. But one

1143
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: thing they've done is especially against good returners. And they

1144
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: did it last week. They said we'll take touchback start

1145
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 4: at thirty five. Now, it's one thing doing that against

1146
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: Jared Stidham, you know, but with you know, in a

1147
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: field position battle are you gonna be more willing to

1148
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 4: do that or you're gonna test or sheet shied. They

1149
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 4: did not want to test Marvin Mims last week. Yeah,

1150
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: and even in the punt game. I look, Bryce Beringer

1151
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 4: didn't have a great game, but it wasn't as bad

1152
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 4: as I think some people thought because it was a lot.

1153
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 3: Of it was directional to get it away.

1154
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 4: Right, and part of the design was kicking as high

1155
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: as again so the schooler can get down there. So

1156
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: this guy doesn't, you know, run one back on us,

1157
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 4: especially in such a low score in games. So absolutely,

1158
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: it's that part of it's going to be fascinating. I

1159
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: love I think he's an awesome player, some of my

1160
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: favorite players to watch. He also has a really fun

1161
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 4: name to say that might be part of it.

1162
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: There's only a few players in the league, and I

1163
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 5: think Marcus Jones obviously doesn't play receiver, but yeah, defense.

1164
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: Teams, there's only a few players in the league.

1165
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 5: That are a threat to touch to score a touchdown

1166
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 5: wherever they touch the ball. You know, you don't the

1167
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 5: NFL is you know, these athletes are so great in

1168
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 5: the league that you just it's pretty rare to be

1169
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 5: able to have a guy that can house it from anywhere.

1170
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 5: And Rashiji Heat's on the short list of guys that

1171
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 5: if it's a punt return. It's a kickoff return, it's

1172
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 5: a it's a jet sweep, it's a slant, it's a

1173
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 5: go like whatever it is that gets the.

1174
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: Ball in his hands.

1175
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 5: He's he's could house eighty yards, seventy five whatever.

1176
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: He's a dangerous player.

1177
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 5: The other point that Ben hit on that I really

1178
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: thought was kind of a key to the game is

1179
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: you know this personnel matching I think is the best

1180
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 5: way to I would say on both sides because starting

1181
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 5: with the Seahawks defense against the Patriots offense, a big,

1182
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: big part of why the Seattle defense has really taken

1183
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: off this year is nick a man worry. Uh, there's

1184
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 5: there's safety. He rookie safety. Drafted him in the second round.

1185
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 5: Full disclosure. I did not think he was gonna be

1186
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 5: a great bro I was wrong about.

1187
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: He's one of those guys.

1188
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: Bad job by me.

1189
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: Nick Emon Worry is one of those guys because he's

1190
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: like six.

1191
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 5: Two two twenty, he's he's a and he he's got linebacker,

1192
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 5: safety hybrid trades. Well, it's not just Bill Dolichick would

1193
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 5: have absolutely loved this play.

1194
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 4: He's kind of souped up Coyd Loggers. So Nick Emon

1195
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: Worry is six three two twenty ran a four to

1196
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: three eight forty with a forty.

1197
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: Three inch vertical.

1198
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just absolute total freak, that DK Metcalf kind

1199
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: of guy.

1200
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: And well he actually got traded for DK Metcalf ironically.

1201
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right.

1202
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1203
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: Now, sometimes those guys, like some guys, you know, I

1204
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 4: love to talk about these guys in the draft where it's, yeah,

1205
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 4: everybody thinks he's too good to be true and sometimes

1206
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: he's not. Trek Wallen or Reek Walling as he goes

1207
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 4: by now was one of those, but so was Dewan Jones,

1208
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: who hasn't really figured out. So he was one of

1209
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: those guys that looked too good to be true and

1210
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 4: then it turned out no, it was true.

1211
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: He's he's a really good player.

1212
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 5: So he's kind and look it's only one year, just

1213
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 5: his rookie season so far, but he was dynamite and

1214
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 5: he's kind of like like you mentioned, like this is

1215
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 5: if Kyle Duggart like really hit and really doubt that's

1216
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 5: the type of player we're talking about. But the big

1217
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 5: part of you know, why I bring him up is

1218
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 5: he's kind of the chest piece that makes his puzzle

1219
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 5: fit together.

1220
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: They can play they can Nickel without playing Nickel.

1221
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they can. They put him as the slot

1222
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 5: or as an overhang player. And when they do that,

1223
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 5: it allows them because he's essentially a linebacker, it allows

1224
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 5: them to hold up in the run game.

1225
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: At a Nickel, he has the play strength of a lineback.

1226
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 5: So they play fewer bass personnel snaps. In any defense

1227
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 5: in the NFL, they play five plus defensive backs are

1228
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: the vast majority of the game. There Nickel, and then

1229
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 5: on third down and long that they'll play some dime.

1230
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: And I think one of the biggest thing about this

1231
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 5: matchup from that standpoint is Seattle is not going to blink.

1232
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 5: If the Patriots put six to zero line or two

1233
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 5: tight ends on the field, they are not going to

1234
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 5: blink and match it in base They're just not going to.

1235
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 5: So can the Patriots put six offensive linemen on the

1236
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 5: field and run it and be successful running it?

1237
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: No team has been able to do that. The Seahawks are.

1238
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: Awesome across the board against six offensive line I looked

1239
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 5: it up because I thought, oh, maybe this would be

1240
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 5: like one of those little things that we could look

1241
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 5: at and say, you know, try to exploit no like

1242
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 5: they've been great against six offensive line, despite the fact

1243
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 5: that they haven't played really any base defense.

1244
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: There really is not much when you go through the

1245
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: Seattle defense. The one stat everybody points out is their

1246
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: numbers against tight ends skewed heavily just by the fact

1247
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 4: they played Trey mcback bride twice. He's probably the best.

1248
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 5: Tight and a lot into like you know, we were

1249
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 5: talking a little Cover six earlier. Yeah, you know, a

1250
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 5: lot of it too, is like they're just taking the

1251
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: dump offs to the tight ends underneath his own coverage

1252
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 5: and just kind of living with you.

1253
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 4: So that's that's an interesting I found this earlier speak too.

1254
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: They've allowed the most catches to running backs of any

1255
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: team in the.

1256
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 5: League because they have their they have the third highest

1257
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 5: checkdown rate.

1258
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: In Yeah, in terms of yards allowed.

1259
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 5: It's like all it's all little checkdowns and dumpops because

1260
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 5: they they take away the big But that is.

1261
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 4: Where to what Ben was just talking about. If you

1262
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: get Travon Henderson in space, he's not the average guy

1263
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 4: to bring down in space. Yeah, and if if you

1264
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: can turn one of those checkdowns, and that might be

1265
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: how you have to get your explosive play. Is a

1266
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 4: check down to Travon Henderson or you drop some sort

1267
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: of screen to Kyle Williams and something like that and

1268
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 4: that guy just does it himself. That might be how

1269
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: you have to get it.

1270
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I look at this on paper. Yeah, you know

1271
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 5: nickel Nickel defense. They got five defensive backs on the field.

1272
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 5: They will not blink. They will not put base on

1273
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 5: the field, even if you go six o line. They

1274
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 5: also won't blink with their too high shell like. They

1275
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 5: will sit in too high safety shells all game long.

1276
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: It's they're the number one defense in the league and

1277
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 5: too high safety rate in terms of structure and both

1278
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 5: coverage so like meaning what they show pre snap and

1279
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 5: what they actually play post snap. So they're they're gonna

1280
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 5: sit in a too high shell, They're gonna sit in nickel,

1281
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: They're gonna play out of nickel. They're gonna be four

1282
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 5: down defensive linemen. What does all this tell you to do?

1283
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 5: All of its screams run the ball, all of its

1284
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 5: screams run it. But then you look at their metrics.

1285
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 5: Nobody has been able to run the ball against them,

1286
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 5: no one. So the question is that you know, you

1287
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: go back to the Trevon Henderson point, it might not

1288
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 5: be a consistent four and a half yards a carry, right,

1289
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 5: But can you get one or two big explosives in

1290
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 5: the one game all year to kind of exploit the

1291
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 5: fact that they're gonna be in light boxes out of

1292
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: light personnel.

1293
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: Again, no team has been able to do this.

1294
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 5: The other thing that I would just bring up with

1295
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 5: this personnel matching, when they do play a more standard

1296
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 5: kind of three or or even dime three corner nickel

1297
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 5: or dime Devin Witherspoon now goes into the slot and

1298
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 5: they have Josh job comes on the field to play

1299
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: the other cornerback spot on the outside in Rik Wollens

1300
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 5: obviously on the other side.

1301
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: So that's a more standard look.

1302
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: And if I'm the Patriots, like that's that's the.

1303
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: The structure I would want Seattle in. I would not.

1304
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 5: I would not want Iman Worry as the overhanger, the

1305
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 5: slot defender.

1306
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: I think he's too dynamic in that spot. You want

1307
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: him in the.

1308
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 5: Deep part of the field where he's a little more vulnerable,

1309
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: which is what was all over his college tape. Seattle

1310
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: just had this Kyle Hamilton role in mind for him,

1311
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: and it's just been you know, Banana's good, right, and

1312
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 5: that really changed everything.

1313
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: But Josh Job, I think is vulnerable.

1314
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 5: I think that if you can get Keishawn Boudi on

1315
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 5: the backside against him, you can maybe hit some big

1316
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 5: plays down the field one on one, you know, on

1317
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 5: the outside. And I also would say that if you

1318
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 5: get with her spoon in the slot, like, now, can

1319
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 5: you run the ball again?

1320
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 3: Right?

1321
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 4: Like?

1322
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 5: Can you find ways to run the ball now? They

1323
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: only play that look really in third and long because

1324
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: they don't want where they's spooned to be at the

1325
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 5: point of attack in the run game, so it'd be

1326
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 5: like running on third and.

1327
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: Eight, which you obviously don't want to do, right.

1328
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 5: But I think the biggest you know thing about this

1329
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 5: matchup from that standpoint and this personnel.

1330
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 3: Matching stuff, is that Seattle just does not blink. They don't.

1331
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 5: They don't get panicky at all about heavy personnel eleven

1332
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 5: six oh line twelve.

1333
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: With two tight ends, nothing like that. On the other

1334
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: side of the ball.

1335
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 5: In terms of the Patriots defense, we all love Marcus Jones.

1336
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 5: I think Marcus Jones is a terrific player. I thought

1337
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 5: the way Ben you know, broke it down was perfect.

1338
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: This is a type of game where Seattle is twenty

1339
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 5: ninth in the league, and how often they put three

1340
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 5: wide receivers on the field. They are a condensed formation,

1341
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 5: heavy personnel grouping offense, whether it's with two tight ends,

1342
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: whether it's with Robbie Oots, they're full back, like whatever

1343
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 5: the case may be.

1344
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: They just don't really do a whole lot shot.

1345
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 5: They don't do a whole lot of like spreading the

1346
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 5: field in the eleven personnel.

1347
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: It's just not really what they do.

1348
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 5: So sam fit thing like, if the Patriots sit in

1349
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 5: three corner nickel, Seattle's gonna run it down their throats

1350
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 5: or they're gonna try.

1351
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: So what do you kind of do with Marcus Jones

1352
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 3: in this game?

1353
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 5: I think is kind of fascinating because you can't really

1354
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 5: have him be like, you know, obviously.

1355
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: When you're in three corner nickel. The nickel is like

1356
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: the strong side linebacker.

1357
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 5: And if they're gonna run outside zone right at one

1358
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty pound corner, you're gonna gonna it's gonna

1359
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 5: be a long night.

1360
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 4: And the other interesting thing about it is and as

1361
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: you know, look the Patriots are here, they're in the

1362
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 4: super Bowl. They clearly built a good team, but we

1363
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 4: had talked about it, like as good as they were doing,

1364
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: depth was gonna be the biggest issue if they need

1365
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 4: to go to Nickel or die, like they don't have

1366
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 4: another It's not like, Okay, it's gonna be the third

1367
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: corner or the third safety. Right back in the days

1368
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: when they had Kyle Dougler, Jabriel Peppers and Adrian Phillips,

1369
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: you know, we might say, hey, this is more of

1370
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 4: an Adrian Phillips game as that fifth defensive back then

1371
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: Marcus Jones game. I don't know that you're turning to

1372
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: Alex Austin or Dell Pettis to add more size at

1373
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 4: that spot. If you're gonna play five defensive backs, Marcus

1374
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 4: Jones is the fifth guy. So I don't know, do

1375
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 4: you get creative and maybe put him outside and the

1376
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: Carlton Davison the slaughter's a little bigger, Like he's not

1377
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: necessarily gonna do much better. But yeah, it's just interesting,

1378
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 4: like this is where you kind of see that they.

1379
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 3: Because they've lived in Nickel a lot too. Is sort

1380
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: of the point.

1381
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 5: I'm trying to drive home, and I remember a while ago,

1382
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 5: dan Orlobski brought this up, and I think he kind

1383
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 5: of got dragged for it because of how good Marcus

1384
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 5: Jones has been this year. But Dan brought up the

1385
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 5: fact that the Patriots playing a lot of standard three

1386
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: corner nickel, which is, you know, if you're gonna do that,

1387
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 5: he said, the only team that could does that at

1388
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 5: a high level is Seattle because they have Nick Ammon

1389
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 5: Worry right, Like it's like the oh, they have this

1390
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 5: Swiss army knife that can just do all these different things. Now,

1391
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 5: this I'd be, you know, pretty outside the box thinking,

1392
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: I guess is the way to put it. And I

1393
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 5: don't know if they have this in their bag. This

1394
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 5: is just a total guess.

1395
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

1396
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 5: I do wonder if maybe they think about inverting the

1397
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 5: structure in the back end and putting Craig Woodson or

1398
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins down and Marcus Jones at safety in the

1399
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 5: game like this, And it's not safety in the traditional

1400
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 5: sense of like you know, he's gonna be playing the

1401
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 5: post and he's Devin mccorty now all of a sudden,

1402
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 5: but the way that they run the ball, the way

1403
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 5: that they boot off of it, the way that they

1404
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 5: run JSN on those over routes and those crossing routes.

1405
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 5: You know, can you kind of use Marcus Jones almost

1406
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 5: as like a bracket player to kind of catch JSN

1407
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 5: coming across the field?

1408
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: Well? Also, how you know when she heeds on the field,

1409
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: because she he's gonna be up the field when they're

1410
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: an eleven and they need a match. It like gives

1411
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 4: you that speed over the top against sh Heed what

1412
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 4: you're gonna need.

1413
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: I just wonder if maybe you know, because a lot

1414
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 5: of Ben brought up the Minnesota game as well in

1415
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 5: the vikings, a lot of that stuff that they did,

1416
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 5: Flores did in that game, and I you know, I

1417
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 5: wrote this down this is that was a Super Bowl

1418
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 5: fifty three reducks. Like Brian floor Is literally when and

1419
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 5: said we did this against Sean McVay and the Rams

1420
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 5: in Super Bowl fifty three. Quint Kubiak comes from the

1421
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 5: same exact coaching tree. It's the same off The Patriots

1422
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: look at it, and that's exactly what they do this time.

1423
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: Again.

1424
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: You know, obviously different coaching staff, different personnel. Right, I'm

1425
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 5: not saying that they're gonna, like, you know, do it

1426
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 5: because they have ties to that game necessarily, but it's

1427
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 5: what worked with Minnesota and I think it has a

1428
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: chance to be successful. Our next guest is waiting right here, Sean.

1429
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 5: What's up man?

1430
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: How we doing? Yeah? Absolutely here guys. Beautiful backdrop. Oh

1431
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: thank you? Right over there, we get to see it

1432
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: quite professional.

1433
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but we all we got.

1434
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 5: We all we need is the slogan of the Patriots.

1435
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 5: It's everywhere like it's our slop. Yeah, it's just you know,

1436
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 5: it's all over all the Patriots stuff. Sean, see it

1437
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: from super Sports right with us now, And I was

1438
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: just reading actually on the plane ride here, uh, the

1439
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 5: stats dump that you and Tej put out for this game,

1440
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 5: and I might have like stole like ten nuggets from it.

1441
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: So I really appreciate that. That was really cool.

1442
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: But Sean, you know, we kind of starting off with

1443
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: everybody in the same way. Just you know what, what's

1444
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 5: your kind of big picture takeaway of you know, how

1445
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 5: this game is going to unfold to you.

1446
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: I think that people look at it and say, Okay,

1447
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: the Seahawks are favorites. I still feel like I trust

1448
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: a lot of parts of this Patriots defense that I

1449
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: think at all times of this season I maybe didn't.

1450
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: I think seeing Milton Williams, come back, come back healthy,

1451
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: come back attacking. I cannot wait to see Milton Williams

1452
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: over that center, over that right guard for the Seahawks.

1453
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: That's going to be on my mind early enough. And

1454
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: of course we can talk about JSN and all that

1455
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: fun stuff, but to me, it's it's bout the Williams

1456
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: Seahawks against that center, left guard for the Patriots and

1457
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: then Milt for the Patriots.

1458
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1459
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: I think the other thing we were just talking about, actually,

1460
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: I'm interesting to get your opinion on, is, you know,

1461
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 5: just how the Patriots defense matches up against Seattle's offense

1462
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 5: personnel wise, and the guy that we are trying to

1463
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 5: get on the field, I guess is as much as possible,

1464
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 5: of course as Marcus Jones, who you know has had

1465
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: a great year. But the amount of outside zone that

1466
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 5: the amount of that they that they deploy, you know,

1467
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's necessarily a great game for

1468
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: undersized nickel corner. And you know, I saw in your

1469
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 5: stat right up that you know, in terms of like

1470
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 5: pass right over expected and all those good stats that

1471
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 5: Seattle's just run run, run all the time.

1472
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was talking to klon Kubiak on Opening Night,

1473
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: and I mean he is a person that is committed

1474
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: to those early down runs even when they're maybe not

1475
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: all that efficient. I do think, though the Seahawks run

1476
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: game has looked a little bit cleaner over the last

1477
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: a J Barner A J Barner is a problem to

1478
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: have to go up against on those outside zone type runs.

1479
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: I think as Kenneth Walker continues to be healthy, he

1480
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: looked really really good against the Rams. So I still

1481
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: feel like on paper, you know, in your head you think, yes,

1482
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: you want to have Jones on the field, just because

1483
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: you want to have those defensive backs to deal with

1484
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: some of that explosive passing. Because I think the biggest

1485
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: concern is, say you get that base personnel you're now

1486
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: you're stopping those runs and now JSN running across the

1487
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: entire formation, and no one wants to cover that.

1488
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 4: How I asked you know this earlier in the show,

1489
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 4: but just hereious your thoughts. So you know, you see

1490
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl time teams are so focused on taking

1491
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 4: away the star that somebody else breaks out Cooper Cup.

1492
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 4: Are people underrating Cooper Cup's importance to this game?

1493
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: No? I do think a little bit because the resources

1494
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: are going to be devoted to JSN, right, I should yeah,

1495
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: and yeah, of course, And so I do think I've

1496
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: seen Cup. You see him make a few of those

1497
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: big plays as of late where look, you can look

1498
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: at him at different points during the season and kind

1499
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: of wonder, well, what are you going to get from

1500
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup? But I'm thinking of a catch like on

1501
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: the left side against the forty nine ers and in

1502
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: a pretty nice tight window. So I do think like

1503
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: there is that real threat there. And then I mentioned

1504
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: Aj Barner before. That's another person where the Seahawks have

1505
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: two tight ends on the field over and over and

1506
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: over and when they're going to pass out of that set,

1507
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: Barneriser and some certainly someone that I look at.

1508
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 5: The other thing I wanted to ask you about because

1509
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 5: I steal your playbooks all the time and things like that,

1510
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: which I greatly appreciate. I just you know, when you

1511
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 5: watch his Patriots offense, And I got the chat with

1512
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 5: Josh McDaniels.

1513
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: Briefly about this this morning.

1514
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 5: There there are a lot of Brady elements to the offense, certainly,

1515
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 5: but then you have Drake May who is just a

1516
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 5: different skill set, different kind of player. How have you

1517
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 5: kind of seen Josh kind of married Drake May's mobility

1518
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 5: and the old Brady staples that you know, we love.

1519
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you get some of that May freedom,

1520
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: where like you need to have that. You can't just

1521
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: tell them, hey, you need to play kind of like

1522
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: a robot over and over. At the same time, though,

1523
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: like you know, we don't have to do the Tom

1524
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: to Drake comparison. When May hits that top spot of

1525
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: his drop, I mean, he's always there and that's what

1526
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: was one of the things that obviously made Tom so special.

1527
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: It makes your offensive lines life easier and easier. So

1528
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: I like seeing different things where I thought May during

1529
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: the season at least like found the right dial of hey,

1530
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 2: this is the hero play. This is not the hero play.

1531
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 2: In the playoffs, I think maybe that dial is kind

1532
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: of knocked off a little bit.

1533
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 3: But you know, come Super Bowl time, you're gonna need

1534
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: him to put on the cape.

1535
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 4: How much of that do you think was playing better

1536
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 4: defense's weather, the shoulder versus you know, some people have

1537
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: said he was, Oh, I guess, let's split this way.

1538
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: How much of that was the weather, maybe the shoulder

1539
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: versus him having to adjust his game against better defense.

1540
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily sure if it's him having to adjust

1541
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: his better game. He did not play his three best

1542
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: games of the season in the playoffs. I don't think

1543
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: you know when no one's gonna fight about that. Of course,

1544
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: you see the Chargers, you see the Texans, you see

1545
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: the Broncos. Yes, of course the weather is going to

1546
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: have that effect. Well, I do feel like some of

1547
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: those times where, uh, like the Patriots are one of

1548
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: the top offense in just shorter throws, so when May

1549
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 2: is checking it down, not at a super high rate,

1550
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: but a lot of those players are actually generating, you know,

1551
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: good yards on that and it feels like sometimes in

1552
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: the postseason, you know, if you're trying to bite off

1553
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: just a little bit more you can chew, then it

1554
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: becomes a problem for the offense.

1555
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 5: What makes Mike McDonald so good at timing up blinzes

1556
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 5: because I think there are some trends that you can

1557
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 5: look at, like, obviously every team brings a little bit

1558
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 5: more on third and long and things like that, but

1559
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 5: it does seem like everybody is keep saying it's wildly unpredictable.

1560
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 3: You know, what do you see from him in that regard.

1561
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he has a special understanding of if

1562
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: you can make the offensive center's life hard, it really

1563
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: breaks apart a lot of things like that center is

1564
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: gonna slide one way. That's kind of the pivot point

1565
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: that it feels like McDonald really attacks, and I think

1566
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: when he sends five, it's a pressure like it's like

1567
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: such a high percentage of that pressure. But he's not

1568
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: too proud where he understands, hey, we can just win

1569
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: with four over and over and over again. I'd be curious,

1570
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: you know, that first third and eight that second third

1571
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: night McDonald likes to send kind of four guys to

1572
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: the weaker side of an offense, so it's three on

1573
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: four for the offense, you get that free runner. I mean,

1574
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fascinated to see just what that what

1575
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: does that blitz rate look like for them?

1576
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 4: On top of that, just kind of some of the

1577
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 4: stunts and line games, and how have you seen the

1578
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 4: Patriots offensive line, especially that young left side, that our

1579
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 4: rookie left side, how have you seen them kind of

1580
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: change of how they'd handled that during the year, And

1581
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 4: is that maybe the pressure point for the Seahawks to

1582
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 4: push in this game.

1583
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to be right. It's that center,

1584
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: it's that left guard.

1585
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: More and then I think like with Will Campbell at

1586
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: left tackle, when you watched the game against the Broncos, Yes,

1587
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: there's the clip of he's cutting and it looks like

1588
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: this awful miss. Like I think on the even he had.

1589
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 4: Thought much better.

1590
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: So to come off of that and to be able

1591
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: to end with that game like that is obviously, of

1592
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 2: course a positive thing to have. But to me, it's yeah,

1593
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: it's Leonard Williams, it's against that center, it's that left guard.

1594
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: It's a lot of Byron Murphy. There Byron Murphy I

1595
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: think does a strong job in that run game. It

1596
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: feels like when you are a four down, like we're

1597
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: sending four guys over and over, you're going to get

1598
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: into some of those stunts. So I'm curious, do we

1599
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: see that center, that left guard working towards Leonard Williams

1600
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: and does that mean hey, now we got a defensive

1601
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: end looping around in the middle.

1602
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 3: All right.

1603
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 5: We talked a lot about some of the guys on

1604
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 5: the periphery, what the heck do you do against JSN?

1605
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: Because I mean, I think the one thing.

1606
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 5: That I have seen in Solaq was on with us

1607
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 5: before go back a little while ago, and he mentioned

1608
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 5: this as well.

1609
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: I have seen teams have some success.

1610
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 5: With clouding the coverage on him, you know, like pressing

1611
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 5: him up on the line of scrimmage and then the

1612
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 5: safety over the top. That's pretty much the only formula

1613
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 5: that I've seen work, you know, and I know I

1614
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 5: can already feel it.

1615
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: I keep repeating this.

1616
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 5: I can already feel the Patriots fans during the game

1617
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 5: the second Christian Gonzales is not the one that's on

1618
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 5: JSN and they're gonna lose their marbles.

1619
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: Just what would you do? And you know, what have

1620
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: you seen work for a team at all? Yeah? Of course, yeah,

1621
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: not a lot work.

1622
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: I think when you think of the Patriots, we think

1623
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: of the famous cover one double, right. We have two

1624
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: people in Manton man coverage on this player no matter

1625
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: where he goes. Now, my only concern there is, I

1626
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: thought Klein Kubiak called the game of his life against

1627
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: the Rams. Where JSN is in the slot, he's outside,

1628
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: he's in the backfield, he's moving into the backfield. So

1629
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: that makes it really hard because if he was in

1630
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: a static alignment, yes, let's get a corner back back

1631
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: up in his face, Let's have a safety over the top.

1632
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: Let's play that through and through. But JSN is not

1633
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: a static piece. So I I'm going to be fascinated

1634
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: to see, you know, are you seeing a safety rotate

1635
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: down to him when now he's moving into the slot,

1636
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: Because ideally, I'd like to make it a game where look,

1637
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: if Kenneth Walker runs for one hundred fifty yards and

1638
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: they win because of that. Fine, if it is Cooper

1639
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,479
Speaker 2: cut making five third down catches, okay, that's fine.

1640
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: You gotta do what you can to stop JSN.

1641
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 2: So to me, if it's if it's in the slot,

1642
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: it's that double coverage in man coverage, if he's in

1643
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: the backfield, that's what really stresses me out. Are you

1644
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: comfortable moving Gonzo inside a little bit there? Of course,

1645
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: as we mentioned Jones as well, but I'm going to

1646
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: be really fascinating to see those safeties because to me,

1647
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 2: the Patriot safeties they like to play a little bit

1648
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: aggressive downhill. You get an inbreaking route, you can maybe

1649
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: go ahead and pick one off. But I think Jasid

1650
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: loves to run that kind of post route against safeties

1651
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 2: as well.

1652
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 4: We're talking a little bit about this before you came

1653
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 4: on to the best returners in the sport, Rashid chi

1654
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 4: Heed Marcus Jones. Who is the better chance to break

1655
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 4: one and flip the game.

1656
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,479
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great question. It feels like sh Heed,

1657
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: but that's because we kind of more recently saw one.

1658
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: I do love that these are two good special gams units.

1659
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 2: You know, it stresses me out when watching the Seahawks

1660
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: Rams game to think like, oh, this is going to

1661
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: kind of come down to a special team's play.

1662
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 3: So I think I leaned towards you Heet.

1663
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: I think that maybe the bias just because we saw

1664
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: that touchdown recently. But it's not just about the touchdowns,

1665
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 2: like if you're getting those like I mean, we see

1666
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: the new kickoff, you get just hey, now we're starting

1667
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: to feel starting the ball in the forty yard line,

1668
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: punt returns, you're stealing those ten yards here and there.

1669
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is going to be a

1670
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: game where those yards are just going to mean so much.

1671
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we know, Donald's come a long way. And

1672
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 5: I always preface it that way because I don't want

1673
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 5: this to sound like I said earlier. This is not

1674
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 5: seeing go Sam Darnald from the New York Jets. This

1675
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 5: is a different player now that being said, he did

1676
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: leave lead the league in takeaways. Here giveaways, I should

1677
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 5: say he did, you know, I think numbers wise, the

1678
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 5: pressure wasn't great.

1679
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, in terms of handling under pressure.

1680
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 5: How much have you seen him grow and do you

1681
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 5: think that you know, where does he fall in the

1682
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 5: now he's a franchise quarterback versus what we kind of

1683
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 5: saw with the Jets.

1684
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: It's cool to think he has one win away from

1685
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: football and mortality. Like at a story level, that's cool.

1686
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: But I feel like if I didn't have the NFC

1687
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 2: Championship game film in my mind, I would feel like, hey,

1688
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: this is a game where Patriots, you can pressure him,

1689
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: you can blitz him, we can condense that bocket.

1690
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 3: He's gonna throw the ball.

1691
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he played the best game of his life,

1692
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: just like a few weeks ago against the Rams. So

1693
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: to see Klin Kubiak be comfortable rely on him in

1694
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: the past game was fun to see. I think that's

1695
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more in my mind, But I think

1696
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: back to you that first game against the Rams, where

1697
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: you're you're winning inside, you're condensing the pocket. We're moving

1698
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: a safety across the formation, and now we're getting Darnald

1699
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: to hold that ball just to tick longer. And you

1700
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: go from being an offense that is able to hit

1701
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: those exposives at JSN to now against pressure, you're kind

1702
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 2: of more along the middle of the of the road.

1703
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: All right, give us your game prediction. We gotta gotta

1704
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: get a game prediction from everybody.

1705
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: Go oh yeah, I think I have the Seahawks winning

1706
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: and winning the game by three, sorry to say it,

1707
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 2: in front of this beautiful backtop and everything.

1708
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: I do think it's gonna be closer than then. I

1709
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 3: don't know.

1710
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the if it's like a if

1711
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: it goes out to hey, people think it's gonna be

1712
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: a blowout, but it feels like a slug fest, a

1713
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: defensive slug fest. I could like definitely see. I think

1714
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: the patri's path to victory is maybe you're receiving the

1715
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: ball to start. You know, Josh McDaniels, he's gonna have

1716
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 2: some shenanigans. We know he's gonna have. He's been here

1717
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: like nine times. He's gonna have something fun drawn up.

1718
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 2: You're able to get ahead, You're able to make the

1719
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 2: Seahawks kind of play a little bit more on your schedule.

1720
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, unfortunately got win my three.

1721
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 4: Along those lines, Part two of the Game Prediction. Last

1722
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: time these teams played in the Super Bowl, you had

1723
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 4: Chris Matthews looked like was gonna come out of nowhere

1724
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 4: and be the euro and then an undrafted rookie name

1725
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 4: Malcolm Butler stole the spotlight from him. Two guys that

1726
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 4: nobody had heard of. The casual fan had not hurt

1727
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 4: her prior to that game. If we get a guy

1728
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 4: like that in this game, who is it?

1729
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 3: If it's a New England Patriot, it's Milton Williams.

1730
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 4: I know he's got no no, no, no, no, Like that's

1731
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 4: highest paid player. And I'm talking about like, look guy

1732
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: that nobody's ever heard.

1733
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 3: Of, tius tongue in the rug. Can we do that?

1734
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 3: We do that? There we go.

1735
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 4: I love that one. I actually that's what I'm talking.

1736
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 5: We had a similar question Fred and on Pu asked,

1737
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 5: and I said, it's gonna be Kiris Tonga, right, and

1738
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 5: maybe even you know, blocking a little bit in the

1739
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 5: run game on offense too, he's very good. Uh, Sean,

1740
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 5: tell everybody where they can find your work. If you're

1741
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 5: an analytics guy like me, you're gonna want to follow

1742
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 5: this guy.

1743
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 3: Appreciate that.

1744
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: Just check me out on Twitter at Science Games breaking

1745
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: down every single thing that that I love learning about

1746
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 2: this game.

1747
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 3: Cannot wait for Sunday. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate

1748
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 3: it much so.

1749
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 5: Yeah that I'm telling you, Sean gives me playbooks all

1750
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 5: the time.

1751
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,919
Speaker 3: When I ask him, he gives me stats.

1752
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 5: Very helpful for your guy here, I really quickly or

1753
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 5: not really quickly, we can talk about it. But Patriots

1754
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 5: just dropped their first injury. All right, So we got

1755
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 5: the injury report.

1756
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 4: Do we get the too?

1757
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: I did not look for that, but we got an

1758
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 3: injury report.

1759
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 5: Drake may full participant in Wednesday's practice with his right shoulder.

1760
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 5: I honestly think, and uh, you know this is I

1761
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 5: think we were head of this direction no matter what

1762
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 5: we had Doctor Chow on Patriots Unfiltered earlier Alex and

1763
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 5: he said the same exact thing. The Robert Splain injury

1764
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 5: is the injury we should be talking about. I understand.

1765
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 5: I said that last week. I understand that that's not

1766
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 5: an injury to the start in quarterbacks throwing shoulder a

1767
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 5: week before the Super Bowl. I get that it's not

1768
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 5: as sexy or as important necessarily in some ways. But

1769
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 5: Robert Splain did not practice today for the paper.

1770
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: He was the only player.

1771
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 4: Harold Landry just to throw in they complete the news.

1772
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 4: Harold Landry limited as well.

1773
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it sounds like maybe Landry's going to try to.

1774
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 4: But Splaine did say today that he plans to play.

1775
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 4: But I guess the question is even if he plays, like,

1776
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 4: is he one hundred percent Probably not.

1777
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I honestly I'm not trying to be like,

1778
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 5: you know, different or anything with this.

1779
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 3: I just think the Splain not being different.

1780
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 4: I've been saying the same thing.

1781
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 5: It's a bigger deal, like I Drake may know and

1782
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 5: we know what they look like without Splain.

1783
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 4: Now some of that was without Milton Williams Tipe, but yeah, no,

1784
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 4: I'm I'm with you on that, especially now he's upgrade

1785
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 4: to fall I I thought Splayne said. I want to

1786
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 4: find the quote because I know I retweeted earlier, and

1787
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 4: then I want to get into something real quick from

1788
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 4: that interview we just did. Splaine said, via Zach Cox's

1789
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 4: one hundred percent confident he'll be able to play on Sunday.

1790
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 4: But I guess that doesn't set to a level, right

1791
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 4: And you know, if he's out there but he's sixty percent,

1792
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 4: did he become more of a liability. I guess that's

1793
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 4: part of the conversation.

1794
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: So I think that it's fascinating.

1795
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 6: You know.

1796
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 5: I mentioned we had doctor chow on earlier, and I

1797
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 5: think one of the things that he really was able

1798
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 5: to outline for us is the discussion that happens in

1799
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 5: terms of, you know, if we have two guys that

1800
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 5: are active that are dealing with injuries, if now both

1801
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 5: guys can't play at their full tilt or their compromise

1802
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 5: or they go down and just get out there and

1803
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 5: they just.

1804
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 3: Can't they can't do it.

1805
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 5: You know, they can't give it a go against very

1806
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 5: difficult There could be a world where the Patriots might

1807
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 5: need to pick, right, like whether it's Landry or Splain

1808
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 5: that's active in this game. You know, I lean it

1809
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 5: still even though he's not practicing, I still lean it

1810
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 5: towards it being explained. I just think that he's been

1811
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 5: a healthier player. You know, Landry's been dealing with this

1812
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 5: for months and months. But yeah, that that that's really

1813
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 5: right now is the number one question is you know,

1814
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 5: is Roberts play gonna be healthy?

1815
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 3: I think Drake Mayschulder is gonna be just fine.

1816
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 4: And I said this and I'll say it again, it's

1817
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 4: week twenty one. Nobody's like really fully healthy. We throw

1818
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 4: around the term one hundred percent. Nobody's one hundred percent

1819
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 4: this time here. Even the kickers and punters and backup

1820
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 4: quarterback have their bumps and bruises at this time of

1821
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 4: the year.

1822
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: Yep.

1823
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 4: Really realistically, for this time of the year, I think

1824
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 4: he's relatively fine. But Splain and we've talked a lot

1825
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 4: about it. You know they're gonna have some issues against

1826
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 4: that outside zone and maybe you're not gonna stop it

1827
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage, but then you need that

1828
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 4: cleanup crew to come in and hold it to a

1829
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: two to three yard run. And that's what they've really

1830
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 4: missed with that. Robert Splaine and Kenneth Walker is a

1831
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 4: physical running back. He wins tackles, he picks up hitting yardage,

1832
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 4: he picks up yards after the contact. I've talked about

1833
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 4: this when they lost the Bills and then have Splain.

1834
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 4: In that game, they would hit James Cook two or

1835
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: three yards past the line of scrimmage, but it would

1836
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 4: be a five yard run because he's pushing the guy

1837
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 4: over in winning the tackle, and Robert Splain is very

1838
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 4: good about not letting that happen to him and at

1839
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 4: the very least being a stalemate if not pushing the

1840
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 4: running back backwards.

1841
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 3: So it's a keep you.

1842
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 4: They miss him, especially against this offense. They miss him

1843
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 4: along those lines. Deep guys having to come up because

1844
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 4: I want to answer. I want you to.

1845
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: Answer my question.

1846
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, who is the Chris Matthews or Malcolm Butler. My

1847
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: pick was Tong.

1848
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 5: My pick was Tonga, And I I think the biggest

1849
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 5: reason why is I remember going back to fifty three again.

1850
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 5: I remember the SoundBite. I think it was in NFL

1851
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 5: films like what you know what they always do, like

1852
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 5: the micd up from the Super Bowl, and I remember

1853
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 5: Belichick on the sideline talking to the defensive line and saying,

1854
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 5: get vertical, Get vertical, get vertical, because the Rams were

1855
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 5: trying to run the stretch play. They're trying to get

1856
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 5: outside and they wanted to interior guys to get penetration

1857
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: and get vertical. The one thing that you know he's

1858
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 5: good at eating blocks too, But I think Tonga is

1859
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 5: a better vertical, get off the ball kind of player

1860
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 5: if he can come in and he can kind of,

1861
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 5: you know, cave in the middle of the line and

1862
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 5: press that that pocket that the running back is trying

1863
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 5: to delay, delay and make that read. You know that him,

1864
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 5: Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, like Corey Durden, Like those guys

1865
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 5: can wreck their run game.

1866
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 3: They really can now.

1867
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 4: So Corey Durton would be like in the same Candy

1868
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 4: Milton mill Williams obviously very much in this category. Like

1869
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 4: Hires Tong. I feel like has kind of become a

1870
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 4: known name this year. Corey Durden having a big game.

1871
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 4: The other guy I'm looking at, I can give you

1872
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 4: one on the other side.

1873
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 3: Of the ball.

1874
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jack Westover. He's been around all year and just

1875
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 4: kind of been there, and I you know he hasn't

1876
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 4: been He's adjusting the fullback and that's clear. Yeah, him

1877
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 4: randomly having some big catcher setting some big block or something.

1878
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna go so we him in the flat

1879
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 4: kind of thing, right, exactly like Schultz the detections against Patriots. Yeah,

1880
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,640
Speaker 4: and I'll parlay.

1881
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 3: This one further.

1882
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 4: So Westover's the Seattle guy playing for the Patriots. Yeah,

1883
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 4: and got Jake Bobo, the North Shore guy playing for

1884
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 4: the Seattle. One of those guys is gonna have a

1885
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 4: huge play in this game.

1886
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 5: I'm telling you we're gonna have a in the NFC Championship.

1887
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: I think it was his first touchdown of the season.

1888
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 4: We're gonna have a Cam Schlitzler moment potentially with Jake Bobo.

1889
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 3: Don't bring that guy's name up, you know how I

1890
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 3: feel about that.

1891
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 4: Has been really good talking about it. Yeah, I've actually

1892
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 4: enjoyed talking.

1893
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: To I like Bobo.

1894
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 5: So Patriots injury report, I'll just read it out in

1895
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 5: the there's not that reddit. There's not very many names

1896
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 5: on it. Roberts Plain was a d MP. Herold Landry

1897
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,759
Speaker 5: limited with that knee.

1898
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

1899
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: They are Munford limited with a knee, Joshua Farmer full

1900
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 5: for the hamstring, and Drake may full with the right shoulder.

1901
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 5: So Terrell Jennings is window closed. He's not gonna be

1902
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 5: he reverted back to injury reserve. Joshua Farmer can still

1903
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 5: be active now. They've had such great success with the

1904
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 5: mix on the defensive line. They've been rolling with Lenny

1905
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 5: t has been a big player for them. Larry Taylor

1906
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 5: down the three. I don't think that that's gonna change.

1907
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 5: But that's the injury report for the Patriots. You don't

1908
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 5: usually on the show for the injury report, so that

1909
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: was a little different, different nugget.

1910
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 3: Let's get back to some of these phones. Let's get the.

1911
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 5: People involved a little bit here. Morrell Muriel is in

1912
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 5: San Francisco. That's Morrell. Oh, I said your name correctly.

1913
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you did.

1914
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 5: All right, call us back and we'll get you, try

1915
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 5: to get you again.

1916
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 3: Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Nate? Nate?

1917
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 5: You know it is an hour on hold. Maybe that's

1918
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 5: why Mark is in Connecticut.

1919
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 3: What's up? Mark?

1920
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 5: We're just getting rid of all the people that have

1921
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 5: been on hold for an hour plus.

1922
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 3: Mark.

1923
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 6: You there, Yes, I'm here, guys.

1924
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: Lets do it. What's up? Mark?

1925
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: So just wanted to start off by saying thank you

1926
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: for everything this whole season.

1927
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 6: Just wanted to say that, you know, it's been.

1928
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: A heck of a ride and happy to do it.

1929
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: Man. I am so psyched for this game.

1930
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 7: Score.

1931
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: I got two things. My score prediction. I'm actually gonna

1932
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: go with the Seattle Sea game from back in twenty fourteen,

1933
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: twenty eight to twenty four I'm gonna actually go with

1934
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: that score, the same one. And then the other thing is,

1935
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: I know this is going to be a big topic

1936
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: for the off season, but mark my word, Max Crosby

1937
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: will be a new England Patriot this offseason. Love you boys,

1938
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: Let's go win it.

1939
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: Thanks Mark, thanks for the call.

1940
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 5: It does feel like Max Crosby has been very vocally

1941
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 5: public about his support of Mike Rabels Well.

1942
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: Diana Orsini said today on ninety eight five, straight up,

1943
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 4: he told her he wants to not.

1944
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 3: Just he wants to me Patriot, he wants to play

1945
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 3: for Mike rabel Yeah, it.

1946
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 5: Sounds like and you could just see it, like you

1947
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 5: could see those two personalities being a perfect you know,

1948
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 5: sort of combination or whatever you want to call it marriage.

1949
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 5: Would you trade, because we are assuming the Patriots are

1950
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 5: going to win this game on today, would you trade

1951
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 5: the thirty second overall pick in the draft?

1952
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 4: I would tell you this, even worst case scenario, I

1953
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 4: would trade the thirty first and certainly the thirty second,

1954
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 4: and you're not gonna draft a better player in that

1955
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 4: spot than Max Crosby. You have the financial FlexIt. Although

1956
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't need a new contract. He just kind of

1957
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 4: hates Vegas, right, This isn't a contract thing, all right,

1958
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 4: so he's paid.

1959
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1960
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I like some of the edge rushers

1961
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 4: we're talking about down there, but Max Crosby, Crosby or

1962
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 4: Romelo Height.

1963
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1964
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 4: And also this isn't that we're no longer in the well.

1965
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 4: You know, he's younger, and he is the ceiling. No

1966
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 4: Patriots are and win down mode regardless of what happens

1967
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: on Sunday, even they win the super Bowl. We want

1968
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 4: him to be back, right. I want to do the

1969
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: show here again next year, So yes, you you absolutely

1970
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 4: make that move.

1971
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 3: It won't be physically here, but I get it here radio.

1972
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 4: Right, it's LA next year, right, yeah, Chris California.

1973
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 3: You know you love LA.

1974
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 4: You you are such an LA guy. All Right, we'll

1975
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 4: all enjoy the Nashville, the inevitable Nashville super Bowl, and

1976
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 4: the inevitable Chicagos and Chicago. Yeah, the Nashville super Bowl

1977
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 4: is gonna rule.

1978
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 3: Oh god, it'd be so cold in Chicago if there's

1979
01:19:59,120 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

1980
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 4: I mean they're building an indoor building. Okay, I'm talking

1981
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 4: about the the I know, but no, but you're like,

1982
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 4: you're acting like they're not gonna get one.

1983
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: They're gonna get oh god, the national one will be cool.

1984
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 4: But I'm we're both all in on Maxican. Can I

1985
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,879
Speaker 4: can I add another layer to this because it's probably

1986
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 4: not just a first. I don't think it's two firsts,

1987
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 4: but it's probably not just a first. Is there a

1988
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 4: move where you tag Calevon Chase saw On so you

1989
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 4: can include him in that trade? If the Raiders are like, well,

1990
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 4: we need a guy back to step into.

1991
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: That, sure, I would wonder like ideally I would pair

1992
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 3: him with.

1993
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: Caleb Chase Well, the Raiders did right, they had they

1994
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 4: had I would do that too.

1995
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 3: The year before Chase On came here, Uh, I hear you?

1996
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 5: Though, you know, maybe it's Anthony Jennings is the is

1997
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 5: another guy that could.

1998
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 4: Well I was talking to somebody about the other day,

1999
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 4: and let's say he has a big game on Sunday.

2000
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not the franchise tag. His Chase On played

2001
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 4: himself into being a tag player. Maybe gets the transition tag.

2002
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 5: Yeah he could, he he he very well might because

2003
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 5: that market's gonna get silly.

2004
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: Right, so he's gonna get twenty million.

2005
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 5: The only way to kind of control that, especially if

2006
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 5: he has a big game in the Super Bowl, is

2007
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 5: to tag him in and put a cap on how

2008
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 5: much it can possibly be with the tag, you know,

2009
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 5: in some way shape.

2010
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 4: And it buys you time and then you can again

2011
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 4: you can extend him or if you have to trade.

2012
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 4: Who was I think that was Brian Hines we were

2013
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 4: on the other day, Uh, compared to like, he's this

2014
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 4: year's Josh Sweat. Yeah, Josh Sweat played on her also

2015
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 4: played next to Milton Williams. By the way, Milton Williams

2016
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 4: getting guys paid played next to Milton Williams looked really

2017
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 4: good but didn't necessarily have the pedigree, but he still

2018
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 4: got paid. Yeah, you know, it could be could be

2019
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 4: something similar to that. Meanwhile, we all wanted Josh Sweat.

2020
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 4: Jason has had a better year, right.

2021
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think sweathead.

2022
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 5: I don't remember exactly what Josh Witt's done, but Jason's

2023
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 5: had a great year.

2024
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 4: Was there? I mean the Cardinals were a tough follow

2025
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 4: this year outside of that one game where Jakobe Verssett

2026
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,799
Speaker 4: broke the passing record. Yeah, had twelve sacks, he was solid.

2027
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 5: But all right, let's get back to morell. No, I

2028
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,480
Speaker 5: keep saying morel now Murrell in San Francisco?

2029
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: Is that Muriel?

2030
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 5: Nope, Nope, still not there, going once, going twice?

2031
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 3: All right, that's okay.

2032
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 5: I got a few more notes on on the Seahawks

2033
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 5: game here, Alex, because I.

2034
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 4: Just think let's still call into well, yes, I just.

2035
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 5: Mean like transitioning off this the caller situation. So I

2036
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 5: want to talk I don't think we've talked to you know,

2037
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 5: our guests for great and they did a great job

2038
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 5: outlining this game. The one thing that I want to

2039
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 5: talk a little bit more about that I think is

2040
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 5: something we haven't touched on quite a bit, is uh

2041
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald in this pressure scheme that he brings to

2042
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 5: the table.

2043
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 3: So they do a great job.

2044
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 5: They don't blitz a lot, but when they do blitz,

2045
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 5: it almost always gets home. They're number one in the

2046
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 5: league in EPA when they blitz, but they're only twenty

2047
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 5: fifth in the league and the rate in which they blitz,

2048
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 5: So they don't blitz a.

2049
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 4: Ton, right, they don't, but they're effective when they do.

2050
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 5: When they are highly effective when they do. They also

2051
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 5: simulate or like scheme up pressure a lot where they're

2052
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 5: going to kind of show pressure one way, drop it out,

2053
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 5: bring it from other places. So they really cook you

2054
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 5: up like this is uh, this is I think when

2055
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: we start talking about the defenses, the great defenses in

2056
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 5: the NFL, and is this the best defense Seattle or

2057
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 5: is Houston the best defense. I think Houston has slightly

2058
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 5: better top end talent than Seattle. I don't think Seattle

2059
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 5: has a Willie Anderson. You know, Devin Witherspoon's a great player.

2060
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 5: But I think Stinking might be a little bit better.

2061
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that sort of thing. The scheme, it's spread.

2062
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: Out they have. They have all pros at all three levels.

2063
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: They have the second most all pros in the league.

2064
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2065
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 5: I don't think the scheme is particularly close. I think

2066
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 5: the Seattle scheme is way better.

2067
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the Houston. The Houston scheme is just

2068
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 4: the talent. The Houston scheme is just we're better. We

2069
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 4: talked about this. They don't hide it because they don't

2070
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 4: need to. Seattle's talented, but they it's like some like

2071
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 4: uh like Max seasoning.

2072
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2073
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 5: So I think the biggest thing that you see with them,

2074
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 5: they kind of do two different things. They have this

2075
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 5: one pressure that's a pick pressure where they basically they

2076
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 5: rush six five or six skies and then they run these

2077
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 5: big games, like these giant stunts where like three guys

2078
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 5: are going one way, four guys or their three guys

2079
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 5: are going the other way, and it's this whole like

2080
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 5: coordinated a way to kind of warp the pocket. Yeah,

2081
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 5: and that I think is maybe one of the coolest

2082
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 5: like when it when it works, and when you see

2083
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 5: them and you just didn't do that. I'm like the

2084
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 5: coordination that it takes, the coaching that it takes to

2085
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 5: coordinate is six guys to execute that scheme perfectly like that.

2086
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 5: It's it's like it's like pretty like it's cool to

2087
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 5: watch on the film.

2088
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: So they do that. The other thing that they.

2089
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: Do a lot of is you know, I would call

2090
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 5: them creepers, you know, call them simulated pressures where they

2091
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 5: drop guys off the line of scrimmage and they're gonna

2092
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 5: like blitz the nickel or they're gonna blitz the safety

2093
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 5: and then they're gonna drop the end out, you know,

2094
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 5: and so they kind of maintain the numbers and coverage

2095
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 5: that way, so they're not it's not an all out

2096
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,480
Speaker 5: blitzer and not really leaving the back end ad vulnerable.

2097
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 3: Now that all that.

2098
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 5: Being said, they tend to blitz from one side and

2099
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 5: drop from the opposite side. So the one area of

2100
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 5: the field that I've seen on film that's a little

2101
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: bit vulnerable with that is you can throw it right

2102
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 5: at the blitz, like if you can see the blitz

2103
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 5: coming from where it's coming from. Those are all free acts.

2104
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 5: There's nothing underneath it right there. So there's there's gonna

2105
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 5: be a defender over the top. Usually it's gonna be

2106
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 5: like quarters or cover two to that side of the field.

2107
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 3: But there's not gonna be a short zone player.

2108
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 5: So like there's gonna be slants, there's gonna be skinny posts,

2109
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 5: there's gonna be options underneath that. Now it's easier said

2110
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 5: than done, no to anticipate that and understand all that.

2111
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 3: But I think that that's the number one thing we

2112
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 3: talked about.

2113
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 5: Drake may kind of extending plays a little bit, But

2114
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 5: I said this earlier on pu McDonald's blitz package is.

2115
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 3: The it thing in the NFL.

2116
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 5: Like you look across the league at all these other defenses,

2117
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 5: they are all running his pressures now you know he

2118
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 5: kind of him and Jesse Minter, I would say, or

2119
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 5: the guys similar, Yeah, that have sort of pioneer this

2120
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 5: kind of defense of style of like Fangio quarters kind

2121
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 5: of stuff, but also like having pressure at your disposal.

2122
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 5: You know, I guess you know, long winded way of saying,

2123
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 5: you know, how do you beat this blitz package? What

2124
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 5: are you expect them to do upfront? I mentioned Hermandra

2125
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 5: Stevenson being heavily involved in all this. That would be

2126
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 5: my one hesitation about this being a big Trevon Henderson

2127
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 5: game is the back that's on the field is going.

2128
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: To have to be prepared, yeah, to protect any and

2129
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 4: it's not I think some people don't understand, like, oh, well,

2130
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 4: just put Trebon Henderson out there for the plays where

2131
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 4: you're putting six in the pattern or the tight ends blocking.

2132
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 3: You're like, you don't need.

2133
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 4: Him into block, and like in theory you can do that.

2134
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 4: But if you suddenly need to check into a play

2135
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: where the back is blocking, like you have to have

2136
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 4: that option. You have to give Drake made that option

2137
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage. I how do you stay

2138
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 4: out of it? And this is maybe how Henderson gets

2139
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 4: more involved, and it's it's it sounds simple, but it's not.

2140
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 4: You don't get into obvious passing situations you'll get in

2141
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 4: a third seven or longer. You gotta stay ahead of

2142
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 4: the sticks in this one. That's so, so so important.

2143
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 4: If they can stay ahead of the sticks, it limits

2144
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 4: the Seahawk's ability to go into some of those pure

2145
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 4: pass heels and things like that, and that might be

2146
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 4: mean running with football, and that's you go back to

2147
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 4: Andre Stevenson because he's the better guy at just getting

2148
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 4: three or four yards and that's given to him rather

2149
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 4: than maybe losing yards trying to set up the big play.

2150
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 4: So I think that's first and foremost. You gotta stay

2151
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 4: on schedule. That's always a hallmark of Josh m McDaniel's

2152
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: offense anyway, but I think especially in this game, it's

2153
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 4: something you've got to do. The running backs and pass

2154
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: protection I think are very important. And then I'll go

2155
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 4: back to what we talked about earlier in the show,

2156
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 4: Drake May running, because if Drake May start taking off,

2157
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 4: it's gonna do two things. It impacts the willingness to

2158
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 4: call some of those line games because you're gonna lose

2159
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 4: contain when you run those it's just naturally what's gonna happen.

2160
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 4: That's gonnappen every time. It's gonna happen more than you

2161
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 4: wanted to, And it's just the natural clock of those

2162
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 4: pass rushers. And they are going to be hesitant to

2163
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 4: be as aggressive as they want to be because the

2164
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 4: you know, the third or fourth time Drake may zips

2165
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 4: by your ear and goes from fifteen yards, you're gonna

2166
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 4: say enough of that. I'm not letting this kid do

2167
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 4: that to me anymore. But now that slows down your rush.

2168
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 4: So those three things are how you're gonna offset it.

2169
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 4: You're not gonna cancel it out like they're gonna get

2170
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 4: theirs on the blitz. But I think you can offset

2171
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 4: it by doing those things.

2172
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 5: So another thing that I think is big, you know,

2173
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 5: in terms of this game, you mentioned being on schedule.

2174
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 5: You know, first down I think is the most important

2175
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 5: down in this entire game. Yes, on both sides of

2176
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 5: the ball, because I think all the same things can

2177
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 5: be said, and maybe even more so about Sam Darnold

2178
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 5: being off scheduled. Yeah, you know, Sam Donald, when you

2179
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 5: look at the numbers, I think one of the biggest

2180
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 5: sort of again, you know, I mentioned earlier about Milton

2181
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 5: Williams and Christian Barmore against their interior offensive line of

2182
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 5: Seattle's is kind of like the big you know, uh,

2183
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 5: personnel mismatch in this game that favors the Patriots the

2184
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 5: other like sort of situational one that favors the Patriots heavily.

2185
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 5: The Patriots defense this year number one in the league

2186
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 5: in third and long defense, number one fifteen percent of

2187
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 5: the time, roughly third and one defense.

2188
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,799
Speaker 4: And Seattle's not a great third down offense.

2189
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 5: Sam Donald and Seattle and third and long offense thirty

2190
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 5: first in the NFL. So the Patriots are first on

2191
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 5: third and long. Seattle is thirty first on third and

2192
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 5: long offensively, So if the Patriots can get Seattle into

2193
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,839
Speaker 5: third and long, They're gonna have some success on defense.

2194
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 3: That's what that's telling you.

2195
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 5: I still, you know, go back to I don't think

2196
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 5: that Sam Donald is to the point now where he

2197
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 5: is like sort of you know, bulletproof when it comes

2198
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 5: to not having some of the bells and whistles of

2199
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 5: a scheme, you know, play action moving the pocket first down,

2200
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 5: you know, success rates and his play action per drop back,

2201
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 5: you know EPA per drop back on play action number

2202
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:47,879
Speaker 5: one in the NFL.

2203
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: Off of play action, he's dynamite.

2204
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 5: Off of play action, you start to take away some

2205
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 5: of that click Kubiak match dust here. Yeah, and then

2206
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 5: maybe you can kind of have some advantages there. If

2207
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 5: the Patriot can get Seattle into third and long and

2208
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 5: making them sells state out of third and long, I

2209
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 5: think they're gonna win the game.

2210
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now that's easier said than done.

2211
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 5: Like it sounds simple when I lay it right like that,

2212
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 5: it's much easier said than done. But to me, first

2213
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 5: down is the most important down in this game.

2214
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 4: Something that kind of ties into that. Uh, the Seahawks

2215
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 4: are not a good red zone offense. Yeah, bottom third

2216
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: of the league fifty four. The Patriots red zone defensive

2217
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 4: struggled at times, but they've been good against the bad units.

2218
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 4: They just really struggle against the good ones. So the

2219
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 4: Patriots might be able to get some more red zone

2220
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 4: success too. And that goes to the I think along

2221
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 4: those same lines of in those critical situations, I think

2222
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:42,799
Speaker 4: the Patriots have the advantage.

2223
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2224
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 5: Okay, the other thing I wanted to talk to you

2225
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 5: about specifically, I haven't even talked.

2226
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 3: We haven't really talked this week.

2227
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 4: We haven't been because you're staying down in beautiful San Jose.

2228
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,919
Speaker 3: Santa Clara, Santa Clara. No, everybody keeps.

2229
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 5: On asking me, like, how's Bart, Like, have you guys

2230
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 5: gotten out yet?

2231
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 3: We have.

2232
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 5: I swear to God, I know people aren't gonna believe

2233
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 5: us when we say this.

2234
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 3: We have been on separate planets.

2235
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 4: I saw I think for like ten minutes at opening night. Yeah,

2236
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 4: I don't think I saw you availability today.

2237
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 5: I think I see you more at home when we

2238
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 5: are like doing regular Patriots availability during the season, then

2239
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 5: I've seen you.

2240
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 4: I didn't really talk to you an either availability yesterday

2241
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 4: or today. So you didn't go to the media party

2242
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 4: last night, No, I do.

2243
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't there.

2244
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 4: It was it was okay, it was not the aquarium

2245
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. That was awesome.

2246
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 3: You had He had a great time.

2247
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 5: He had to there was like what was it like

2248
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 5: an orca or something like that, and he was just

2249
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 5: staring at that thing.

2250
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 4: No, that was you, he was like, Oh, No, that

2251
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 4: was you. You got really into the dolphins.

2252
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 5: I remember, because they had these dolphins that were like

2253
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm gonna sound I'm gonna.

2254
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna tell this story, but go ahead.

2255
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it.

2256
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 5: This is really a little what's the word, like, you know,

2257
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 5: hip hisstory right now? The dolphins swim like miles and

2258
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 5: miles in the wild, and these poor dolphins were in

2259
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 5: this like tank and I was like, these dolphins like

2260
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 5: they're peak, captain, you gotta let them fly.

2261
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: And the terrible Evan confronted one of the.

2262
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 4: Museum works over the size of the tank, like this

2263
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 4: poor I mean, she was probably just out of college.

2264
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 4: She was a tour guide, she wasn't a biologist. Nothing

2265
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 4: she could have done about it. And Evan was furious

2266
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 4: in the size of the tank.

2267
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 3: It was these dolphins swim, I'm gonna do that.

2268
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 4: You wanted her to do something about it?

2269
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 3: Now, I asked her politely.

2270
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 4: You got a little, you asked politely.

2271
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 3: At first.

2272
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 5: I asked her if these dolphins were like being nursed

2273
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 5: back to health, because that would be a good reason,

2274
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 5: that would be a good reason, you know, for them

2275
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 5: to be uh in you.

2276
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,680
Speaker 4: Know what's it called in captivity?

2277
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, captivity is that they got injured or something like

2278
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 5: that and they saved their life, which if that's the case,

2279
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 5: and thank you for your service to the Atlanta Aquarium. Now,

2280
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 5: if you just cage these dolphins and put them in

2281
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 5: a tank, then I would have been here.

2282
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: I know.

2283
01:32:58,280 --> 01:32:59,799
Speaker 4: The thing I was was, I don't.

2284
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 3: We're for me looking out for the wild like.

2285
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 4: I know, good for you for looking out. It's just

2286
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 4: that woman wasn't gonna be able to do anything about

2287
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 4: it that moment.

2288
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 5: Obviously, I didn't think she was gonna take the dolphin.

2289
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 5: I would take it, but you kind of like looking

2290
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 5: for to do something.

2291
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 4: No, they had one of those exhibits they have like

2292
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 4: zoos and aquariums where it's like the exhibit is like

2293
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 4: shoulder high and then you can crawl underneath and stick

2294
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 4: your head. And that was the the penguins in there,

2295
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 4: and that was I'm a big penguins guy, like penguins,

2296
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,600
Speaker 4: So getting an eye to eye with the penguins it

2297
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 4: was fun.

2298
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 5: Well on Friday and Saturday, we'll be able to uh,

2299
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 5: we'll be able to have.

2300
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 3: Some fun probably, I think so I'll bee it.

2301
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 4: We're doing a sports ubuh pregame party. I think you

2302
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 4: guys are doing once you is yours Friday, both nights

2303
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 4: at both nights, both nights.

2304
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 5: We have fan rallies. All that information. You can check

2305
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 5: it out if you're in town. The question I wanted

2306
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 5: to ask you about was about football and not about

2307
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 5: Dolphins or anything like that. So I think the other thing,

2308
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 5: and this is more big picture. How much of an

2309
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 5: advantage do you give the Patriots in this matchup with

2310
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 5: Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels. Mike Rabel having played in four, right, four,

2311
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 5: because he's on seven. Also, yep, four super bowls as

2312
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 5: a player. Josh McDaniels, I think this is nine or

2313
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 5: ten him coordinating six.

2314
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 4: He wasn't here for the first coordinating.

2315
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 3: It's not less. It's being on the staff for Super Bowls.

2316
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 4: I mean he's been here for all six wins.

2317
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 3: I know that. Yeah. Yeah, and then he Willy O'Brien

2318
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 3: was the coordinator in eleven, so that.

2319
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 4: So he just missed that one. Ye, So yes, this

2320
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 4: is ninth.

2321
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, how much this is Mike McDonald's first roado Yeah,

2322
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 5: it's Clint Kubiak's first rodeo.

2323
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 3: Let's start there because I have a follow up.

2324
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 4: Yeah Kubiak, Okay, I think I was going to ask

2325
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 4: you the same thing to followup, But I don't know,

2326
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 4: and I mean this is no disrespect to Mike Rabel.

2327
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 4: I don't look at the Rabel thing as as much

2328
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 4: of an advantage because it was a long time ago

2329
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 4: and the super bowls different and Vrabel's even talked about

2330
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 4: this this week, the first one he played, and they

2331
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 4: didn't have the weekend between, yeah, and it it makes

2332
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 4: a major difference. Look, yeah, we kind of were saying

2333
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 4: we weren't worried about Drake made shoulder earlier. Without the

2334
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 4: weekend between, yeah, that would have been I think a

2335
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 4: much bigger issue.

2336
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 5: So that is not to get bogged down by the

2337
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 5: one super Bowl didn't have the weekend between because of

2338
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 5: nine to eleven, right, it was, it was scheduled, they

2339
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 5: didn't but.

2340
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 4: They still didn't and that's you know, so it's a

2341
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 4: very different And I think also preparing for the seven

2342
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, I don't know, I didn't cover the team.

2343
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 4: I would from the little stories they've heard and just

2344
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 4: from what I would think, that super Bowl was a

2345
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 4: different beast. I think preparing for that super Bowl was

2346
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 4: a different animal because.

2347
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 3: Of what was on the line.

2348
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 4: So it's look, I trust Mike, We're able to get

2349
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 4: the team Ruddy. I loved what he said this week.

2350
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 4: He got to ask yesterday like what from the Dynasty

2351
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 4: teams do you do you preach this team? And he

2352
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 4: said what Dynasty? And he played up the underdog angle

2353
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 4: and that Steph Digg's comment about we're just a group

2354
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 4: of players nobody wanted and that whole thing. I love

2355
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 4: how Rabels handled it. In terms of Super Bowl experience,

2356
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's huge, huge advantage. And I'll go back to say,

2357
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,480
Speaker 4: the top of the shows I think have a definitive

2358
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 4: I will say definitive, and the Seahawks coaching staff is

2359
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 4: not bad. Definitive coaching advantage, definitive quarterback advantage, and I

2360
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:11,839
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's experience.

2361
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, the definitive coaching angle to me is interesting. I

2362
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 5: definitely give the experience to the Patriots, even though he

2363
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 5: was as a player.

2364
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 3: I think that at least.

2365
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 4: He's it's not nothing. I just he's touched grass out

2366
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 4: of super Bow. It's not nothing, for sure. I just

2367
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 4: think it's it's two different levels. What mcdalel's experience offers

2368
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 4: versus what Vrabel's experience offers.

2369
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 3: I give a little bit more credence or credit.

2370
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 5: I guess I should say to the schematic chops of

2371
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 5: Seattle's coaching staff. But I think what the difference is

2372
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 5: to me is that McDonald is more, uh, I guess

2373
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 5: in that school of he's such a good schemer and

2374
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 5: he's so prepared and he's such a good coach that

2375
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 5: players have confidence that he's gonna push the right buttons.

2376
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 5: I don't think he is a button pusher? Does that

2377
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 5: make sense? Like Rabel is a motivational.

2378
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,639
Speaker 4: Well and that and it's not just a motivational force.

2379
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 4: And this is where maybe you go to Rabel's experience

2380
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 4: and he talked last week that this is something Joshuac

2381
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 4: Daniels has helped him with.

2382
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, planning for a.

2383
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 4: Super Bowl not game planning. Planning literally, when are we

2384
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:17,719
Speaker 4: going to practice where?

2385
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 3: You know where?

2386
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 4: How are we gonna do work at You're at a hotel,

2387
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 4: You're you're miles away from your facility. How are we

2388
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 4: gonna run this? How are we gonna win up run that?

2389
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 4: How often do we want these guys on the bus?

2390
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 4: What's the curf you're gonna be you know? How are

2391
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 4: we gonna handle our media responsibilities? Things like that? It's

2392
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 4: a whole different beast. And I'm not saying Mike McDaniel

2393
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 4: can't handle it. I I don't know. I don't know,

2394
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 4: And we'll see how he did. Maybe he did great.

2395
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean obviously he has John Schneider to lean on.

2396
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I I just look at that as the advantage.

2397
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 5: I have a lot of respect for Mike McDonald the schemer,

2398
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 5: and have a lot of respect for Clint Kubiak the schemer. Now,

2399
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,879
Speaker 5: I would probably give Josh a slight edge against Kubiak

2400
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 5: just because of experience.

2401
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 4: It's a little more slight nine super Bowl dude.

2402
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Well in terms of experience, sure, it's a lot more experience.

2403
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 5: No, I'm know, I'm saying I but like schematically, just

2404
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 5: x's and no's wise, I think Kobe Act's pretty good.

2405
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 3: I think he's very good now.

2406
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 5: A lot of it is the base of you know,

2407
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 5: what the Shanahan tree does and you.

2408
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 3: Know all that stuff. But I think he's very, very

2409
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 3: good now.

2410
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 5: The other new bit of news that came out this

2411
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,719
Speaker 5: week that he did not decline to talk about Kouobi

2412
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 5: Act did, but he is in line.

2413
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 3: It sounds like to be the next head coach of

2414
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 3: the Las Vegas rate.

2415
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady high at him to distract him to help

2416
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 4: the pas.

2417
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, because Brady's been really pro paid.

2418
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah really and also one of his best friends by

2419
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 4: the way, on the other side.

2420
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 5: So, uh so we know how this goes. We saw

2421
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 5: this before. You know, Matt Patricia was getting ready to

2422
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 5: leave for Detroit, Charlie Weiss and Robo Cornell were getting

2423
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 5: ready to leave at you O four. You know, we've

2424
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 5: been around this block before with you know, all the

2425
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 5: Patriots played people Josh McDaniels, you know, as well, say

2426
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 5: Bill Parcels there, sure, well, very different scenario.

2427
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had it. He was ready for the next job.

2428
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 5: So I don't I think that that's like a very

2429
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:17,480
Speaker 5: small percentage of a factors.

2430
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 4: The super Bowl comes down small percentages.

2431
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 5: But I know this is up your reality. So how

2432
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 5: much do you care? What kind of what kind of

2433
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 5: percentage are you at? Because you know me, I'm like,

2434
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 5: it's like it's in footnote We're not.

2435
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 3: Gonna win the Patriots game. It's not.

2436
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 4: But you know, piled on top of other things, it's

2437
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 4: a it's another thing to deal with. You don't want

2438
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 4: to be dealing with things this week and as there's

2439
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 4: always a couple of annoying storylines when your team's in

2440
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl every year. Evan we we Patriots fans

2441
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 4: know this very well, and some of them are a

2442
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 4: real pain in the ass, like the Flake Gates. Some

2443
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 4: aren't look as as frustrating as the drake and shoulder

2444
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 4: injury thing was last week. The first half of this week.

2445
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 4: He's a full participant today if he goes out there

2446
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 4: and he is full range of motion and they can

2447
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 4: call their full offense. It was an annoying story, but

2448
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 4: it was really kind of nothing, right. Yeah, I would

2449
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 4: rather my quarterback have like a you know, not like, oh,

2450
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 4: his shoulder was a little sore on Monday, but he's

2451
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 4: fine on Sunday. Then the offensive coordinator's starting to think

2452
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 4: ahead of who's gonna bring with him Vegas and uh oh,

2453
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 4: by the way, the owners might sell the team, and

2454
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:20,600
Speaker 4: who knows where any of us are gonna be in

2455
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 4: three years, And there's that, Like I put those in

2456
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 4: the same basket of it's just another thing that you

2457
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 4: have to worry about that's on your mind, and you

2458
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 4: can say block out the noise, and you know, I

2459
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 4: think for the Patriots and Drake May's shoulder for the Seahawks.

2460
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 4: It's those things. Drake may shoulder thinks not great, but

2461
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 4: the shoulder can heal over the course of the week.

2462
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 4: And it sounds like that's what's happening. Klint Kubiak's not

2463
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 4: suddenly gonna spur the Raiders, and frankly, if he does,

2464
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 4: that becomes another storyline that probably becomes pretty annoying. So

2465
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 4: it's not nothing. It's not gonna side the game, but

2466
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it's nothing either.

2467
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 5: So I think the number one thing that you hit

2468
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 5: on there that could be a slight factor is obviously

2469
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 5: you have to start building out of coaching staff right

2470
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 5: with the Raiders. Now, can Brady is it spit Spy

2471
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,759
Speaker 5: Tech does their GM Yeah, uh don't. Can those guys

2472
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 5: kind of do that for him? He gives them a

2473
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 5: list and they start calling, you know guys and checking off,

2474
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 5: you know guys off the list and things of that nature,

2475
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,600
Speaker 5: I suppose. But that's the number one thing when you

2476
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,600
Speaker 5: We've seen it now two years in a row, so

2477
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 5: we know, you know. The number one that you do

2478
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 5: when you get hired as a head coach, The first

2479
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 5: step is starting to fill out your staff.

2480
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 3: Now he's gonna call the offense.

2481
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 5: So that helps, right, Like he's the offensive coordinator and

2482
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 5: the offensive.

2483
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: Architect and we'll call the offense. So that definitely. Uh.

2484
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 5: You know, with Rabel or with Drod Mayo, they had

2485
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 5: to hire offensive coordinators and that was a major hire

2486
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,799
Speaker 5: in the process for them. This is a little bit different.

2487
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 5: But you know, who's his defensive coordinator going to be?

2488
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 5: Is his defensive coordinator a current Seattle assistant that he

2489
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 5: is poaching from Seattle to bring.

2490
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 3: With him to to Vegas.

2491
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 5: Are McDonald and him having to spend time talking about

2492
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 5: who are you taking with you?

2493
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 3: Who are you're not taking with you?

2494
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 4: Because are they maybe arguing about what that's gonna be?

2495
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 3: Like, I like, how you trying to start that?

2496
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 4: Oh again, It's just it's another thing you have to

2497
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 4: deal with if you want to be able to say, ah,

2498
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,720
Speaker 4: he don't want to. This is going back to the

2499
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniel's thing. This is why Josh McDaniels is a

2500
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 4: perfect unique scenario to get him his offensive coordinator not

2501
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 4: going anywhere, not anytime soon. And if you know, year six,

2502
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 4: Drake may he gets another head coaching job and look

2503
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 4: on a hewan level. He wants me, he said he

2504
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 4: would be interested in being a head coaching job. You

2505
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 4: want him to get it right if he gets there.

2506
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 4: I'm sorry if you If Drake May has like three

2507
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 4: or four more MVP seasons, you should be able to

2508
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 4: handle an offensive coordinator change at that point.

2509
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2510
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know that that's a it's not nothing.

2511
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 5: It's a it's not it's not a huge thing, but

2512
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 5: it's not that thing. I do find it interesting. You

2513
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 5: know that Kubiak his whole career arc. Obviously his father

2514
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 5: is Gary Kubiak, and had a ton of success in

2515
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 5: the league in Denver and all that stuff. Shanahan Tree,

2516
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 5: you know, Mike Shanahan connected with Gary Kubiak. Clint Kubiak though,

2517
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 5: you know last year in New Orleans, first, I want

2518
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 5: to say, two to four games of the season, they

2519
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,799
Speaker 5: are just a wagon, like they scored like forty points

2520
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 5: a game out of the gate. Then they started to

2521
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 5: get some injuries and obviously their roster just wasn't that

2522
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 5: talented to begin with, and it all kind of wore off.

2523
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak then goes, you know, I think one of

2524
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 5: the biggest hires from Mike McDonald.

2525
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 3: He he fires Ryan Grubb as.

2526
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 5: The offensive coordinator, who he originally brought with him to

2527
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 5: Seattle as the offensive coordinator, hires Clint Kubiak Klink.

2528
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 3: Kubiak has this great.

2529
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 5: Season with Sam Darnold, whose you know, career renaissance is

2530
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 5: just continuing, and the beat goes on, and now he's

2531
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,559
Speaker 5: head coach in the league, you know, And I just

2532
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 5: that sort of meteoric rise, that skyrocketing up the ranks

2533
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 5: a little bit, is is interest saying to me, because

2534
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 5: you know, I I think that now you know it's

2535
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 5: gonna move fast, you have to build a staff.

2536
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 3: I'm we're already like the combines in.

2537
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 4: Like right, you gotta get familiar with the Ross's.

2538
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 3: In like three and a half weeks.

2539
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 5: Like literally, uh, free agency is in a little bit

2540
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 5: over a month, you know, and that these are all

2541
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 5: things that are you know, going on for all these

2542
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 5: teams that would be really interesting to see, you know

2543
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,160
Speaker 5: how much that matters?

2544
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 3: You know?

2545
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 5: I I do think the Patriots have a coaching advantage.

2546
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 5: Maybe schematically, My brain is kind of just in the

2547
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 5: x's and o's of it is, like it's not super lopsided,

2548
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 5: but I think it's an advantage when you.

2549
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 4: Pile everything else on it, it gets there, all right.

2550
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 5: A couple more little things, then we'll wrap the show up.

2551
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 5: Stuff we're on late, back down so that we don't

2552
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 5: have a ton of callers at this trying.

2553
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 3: To fall Yeah, that would be hard.

2554
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that would be.

2555
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 3: We're pretty, We're pretty.

2556
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 4: What's your what's your fall asleep show? What's your goag to?

2557
01:44:58,439 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 4: Like me to put this on the background? Put the

2558
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:00,760
Speaker 4: sleep mode on the TV?

2559
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 3: Uh, it's a good question. I don't really do that.

2560
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 4: Oh see, I can't sleep in silence anymore. I got

2561
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 4: used to TV. The hotel I was at, I saw

2562
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 4: I had to switch hotels because it was just a plan.

2563
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 4: That's how we booked it. You've got to get rooms

2564
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 4: where you can get them. The hotel did not have

2565
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 4: a sleep function. That threw me off. That threw me

2566
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 4: off big time.

2567
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: What's your Hall of Fame take? But what do you

2568
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 3: got to say about the Hall of Fame?

2569
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I saw you. I said it all last week.

2570
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 3: But here's the fuck.

2571
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,799
Speaker 4: Let's do Robert Kraft the respect we did for Bill Belichick.

2572
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Famer. We all know it, and

2573
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 4: maybe this one hits a little less just because it's

2574
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 4: not He wasn't first ballot. We've seen them snub him,

2575
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 4: and maybe after Belichick, we kind of saw this coming

2576
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 4: that he wasn't gonna get in. If Jerry Jones a

2577
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, Yeah, what are we doing? I'll say

2578
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 4: what I said about billlast week. I know what I saw.

2579
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 4: I know what I saw for twenty years. And by

2580
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,640
Speaker 4: the way, yes, Bill is a huge part of it.

2581
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to take away from Bill, but how

2582
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 4: many owners have been to the Super Bowl with three

2583
01:45:55,400 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 4: different head coaches Parcels, Belichick and out rabel yep in

2584
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 4: three different quarterbacks bledsoe Brady may so in wild turnover

2585
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 4: that is insanely impressive. Turnover plus his number one argument

2586
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:15,800
Speaker 4: right in my opinion, I think, other than, of course,

2587
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 4: the six banners that are hanging in July Stadium, which

2588
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 4: is well, I think those are those are one in

2589
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 4: the same.

2590
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 5: But the fact but the fact that he did it,

2591
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,120
Speaker 5: has now done it three separate times.

2592
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 3: He has rebuilt the Patriots three.

2593
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 4: Well, and he essentially they rebuilt in the middle of

2594
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 4: one of the coach quarterback combos too.

2595
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but theyve he's essentially rebuilt three times.

2596
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 5: He bought the team, you know, in the early nineties

2597
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 5: high you know, uh, he didn't hire Parcels, right, I

2598
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 5: think he inherited Parcels. I always forget that timeline. But

2599
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 5: he he buys a team in the early nineties, goes.

2600
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 4: To Super Bowl.

2601
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, it goes with this to uh with Bill Parcels

2602
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:59,879
Speaker 5: and Drew Blood. So that kind of fizzles out, hires

2603
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 5: trades for Bill Belichick.

2604
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 4: Yep, you have the first time.

2605
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 5: But the greatest dynasty in the history of sports ensues.

2606
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 5: Then that ends because a things, good things.

2607
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 4: Happen to come to an end, although he extended that

2608
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,439
Speaker 4: probably eight years plus when its life span should have been.

2609
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 5: And now here we are again now in the defense

2610
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 5: not in the defense of not putting Robert Cruft in

2611
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 5: the Hall of Thing, because there's no defense of that.

2612
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 2: No.

2613
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 5: The voters, though, voted before the Patriots made the Super

2614
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 5: Bowl this time.

2615
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 4: So but but that'sart whant to bring in where I

2616
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 4: think it's one A, one B because it's a contributor

2617
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 4: category and you're not necessarily I don't think it's as

2618
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 4: much contributing to the league as it is to the

2619
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 4: team as it is, the organization, the media deals ending

2620
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,919
Speaker 4: the lockout. Jeff Saturday called him the man who saved football.

2621
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think he's played a part

2622
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 4: in the international expansion too, right, He's played a hand

2623
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 4: in that. And you know his as far as owners go, right,

2624
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 4: he was never the face of the league and the

2625
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,679
Speaker 4: way like Tom Brady was the face of the league.

2626
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 4: But as an owner, I mean it was him, It

2627
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 4: was Jerry and it was everybody else.

2628
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it still is. And you look at.

2629
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 4: The way the league grew when he and he still does.

2630
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,439
Speaker 4: But you look at the way the league has grown

2631
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 4: with him playing such an integral part in the league

2632
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 4: politics and the way these meta decisions are made. Forget

2633
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 4: what he's done for the Patriots, and you shouldn't. I mean,

2634
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 4: that's a huge part of it. What he's done for

2635
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 4: the sport itself, in the league itself, in terms of

2636
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 4: growing it and growing the brand and growing the business. Yeah,

2637
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 4: it's I don't know how you don't put him in.

2638
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,520
Speaker 5: Right, And and all these things come back to especially

2639
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 5: when you start to compare them to guys that are.

2640
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 3: Already in right.

2641
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,040
Speaker 4: Exactly if it were hard, if we.

2642
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,679
Speaker 5: Do this with Rodney Harrison too, where it's like John

2643
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 5: Lynch is in and Brian Dawkins is in, and like,

2644
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 5: you know, obviously like guys like Reid and Pallamalu are

2645
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, in a better category in my opinion,

2646
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 5: But like those guys, Lynch and Dawkins are very comparable

2647
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 5: players to Rodney Harrison, and both those guys have gold jackets.

2648
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 5: Rodney Harrison doesn't. Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft are very

2649
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 5: comparable people in terms of what they've done for the league.

2650
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 5: Roberts a lot more and they are and he's not

2651
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 5: in right, and so it just that's the part that

2652
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense. We had Howard Baalzer is a long

2653
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 5: time Pro Football Hall of Fame voter on Patriots Unfiltered

2654
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 5: earlier and uh, he said he.

2655
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Voted, I don't remember what he said. I don't want to,

2656
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 3: I don't want.

2657
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 4: To guess fair go back and listen to it.

2658
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 3: The thing that he said, I would imagine if he

2659
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 3: came on here.

2660
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 4: He voted yes, because he's not gonna put himself in

2661
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 4: that ambush.

2662
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 5: So the thing that he said in that I tried

2663
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 5: to push back a little bit, but I didn't want

2664
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:38,960
Speaker 5: to be like hostile to.

2665
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 3: The thing that he said was like he gave this long.

2666
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 5: I mean, guys, this answer, Anthony Marine was like forty

2667
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 5: five minutes long, this long, convoluted answer about the voting system.

2668
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 3: And it's three you know, votes for.

2669
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:59,240
Speaker 5: Five people, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and it's a numbers game.

2670
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 5: And it's like, be it's a numbers game either like

2671
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 5: you really mean that.

2672
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 3: He should be in or you don't.

2673
01:50:05,479 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 5: Right, Like if it was you have three yes votes

2674
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 5: out of five, Right, it's very easy to make Bill

2675
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 5: Belichick and Robert Kraft your two yes votes.

2676
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 3: It's not that hard, right, So that's the thing. The

2677
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 3: system is they but.

2678
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:18,639
Speaker 5: They keep I feel like a lot of the Hall

2679
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 5: of Fame voters now have just defaulted.

2680
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,759
Speaker 4: They're using the system as an excuse, and it looks deflective.

2681
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 4: This is still bad, and it might keep a guy

2682
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 4: like Mike Holmgren out or Mike Shanahan out because you

2683
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,519
Speaker 4: may say, Okay, the players have the weight. But if

2684
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 4: you're asked the question out right, who's the more deserving

2685
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer these five, you have to pick three

2686
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick, Robert Craft, Ken Anderson lg Elsie Greenwood and

2687
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:49,759
Speaker 4: Roger Craig. No offense to those players. It's not Belichick

2688
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 4: and Craft are mots and I byther. I think Roger

2689
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 4: Craig should be in. I thought he was in. He

2690
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 4: would get my third vote. I'd vote for all three.

2691
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 4: But you can't say, well, you know, these guys have

2692
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 4: waited so long, and we got to make if they've

2693
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 4: there's a reason they've waited. There's a reason they've waited,

2694
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 4: and maybe that's just the process. And let the process

2695
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 4: through the process of the process determina shouldn't get in,

2696
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 4: don't tweak it. And now the process determines Belichick doesn't

2697
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 4: get in, because that means process is broken. I know

2698
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 4: what I saw. Belichick's all favor. He's not getting in

2699
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 4: the issues with the process and the voters not with

2700
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick's same for Robert Kraft.

2701
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,680
Speaker 5: Okay, So the other thing that's gonna happen here that

2702
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 5: this is going to have a really great shelf life

2703
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 5: of like twenty four hours.

2704
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 3: But we can talk about it anyway on.

2705
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:30,799
Speaker 4: More than twenty four I think it's late tomorrow night.

2706
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 3: For the live audience.

2707
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 5: NFL Honors will be tomorrow night, on Thursday night here

2708
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 5: in San Francisco. The Patriots are well represented in terms

2709
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 5: of nominees.

2710
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,719
Speaker 4: Six over or five over six categories.

2711
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, four on over five or.

2712
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 4: Five five five because it's Drake Rabel, McDaniels, digs Hendersons

2713
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 4: five for six categories.

2714
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they they are all represented a sort of

2715
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 5: nomination in terms of nominations.

2716
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,719
Speaker 3: Obviously they're working tomorrow night, so I think they still

2717
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 3: go to that. They I don't think so if they win.

2718
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 4: They will, so we won't get an acceptance speech.

2719
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 3: They'll have a video.

2720
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 4: They'll play a pre recorded that's gonna kind of suck

2721
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 4: recording that when you don't know where they're not, you're

2722
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 4: gonna win it. Part of what's good about those speeches.

2723
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 4: They might be emotion at the moment. Oh maybe they

2724
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 4: tell them like, hey, you want give us a video?

2725
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, so let's just go across the ballot. Yeah, well

2726
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 5: first and foremost and start with I. I hunch total hunt.

2727
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 5: I think Adam V. Terry is gonna get in the

2728
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:35,720
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame.

2729
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:38,519
Speaker 4: I think I'm not giving him anything at this point.

2730
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 3: He should.

2731
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,639
Speaker 4: I'm not giving him anything at this point, but I'd

2732
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 4: be right, he should be if I had to guess

2733
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 4: him and Keikley massive snuffs if I had to guess.

2734
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 5: I think both those guys are going in Row night,

2735
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 5: all right, m v P. I think m v P

2736
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 5: is gonna be really close.

2737
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be Stafford. It's gonna be close.

2738
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Staffed.

2739
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,879
Speaker 4: They they wriggled or down last year to get Joshy

2740
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 4: his MVP so we could get one. Ephasis on voting

2741
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 4: because it was so fraudulent, and now they're going to

2742
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 4: go back to the current, to the way they've always

2743
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 4: done it.

2744
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 3: So I agree. I think it will be Matthew Stafford.

2745
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 4: I think off here's my hot take, yep, I think

2746
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 4: he wins Offensive Player of the Year Drake.

2747
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 5: So this is what I don't understand about this. It's

2748
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 5: it's ass backwards. The award that he is more worthy

2749
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 5: of is MVP, like he is the more valuable player.

2750
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,639
Speaker 5: Like that's the whole thing is And we had many

2751
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 5: times on earlier she said that's why she voted for

2752
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 5: Drake May because when you take Matthew Stafford with a

2753
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:46,759
Speaker 5: great run game and a great play caller in Sean McVay,

2754
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 5: and a great defense on the other side of the ball.

2755
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 3: You know who was the player that elevated his team in.

2756
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 5: The y, who was the most valuable player to his

2757
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 5: team is Drake May who was the most productive player.

2758
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,559
Speaker 3: I think you could probably make a better case for Steady.

2759
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah no, you can't.

2760
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 4: Well, stab you look at the numbers like that, so

2761
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 4: that I can't.

2762
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 3: So I have no idea.

2763
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 4: What if Stafford. If Stafford was a finalist for Offensive

2764
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:14,839
Speaker 4: Player of the Year, I'd actually say I think Stafford

2765
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:16,559
Speaker 4: is gonna win it. This is a bigger picture. Take

2766
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 4: that all right, Let's say the Josh Allen thing last

2767
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 4: year was on the level, it's going to be a console.

2768
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 4: It's going to become the MVP consolation. Well, because every

2769
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 4: we have to coddle the quarterbacks and the quarterbacks have

2770
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 4: to get everything, and eventually they're going to start giving

2771
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:29,719
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year to the quarterbacks.

2772
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 5: Somehow, Offensive Player of the Year should either be Jasent

2773
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 5: or Puka.

2774
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 3: I think it will probably end up being.

2775
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 4: They We need to go back to non quarterbacks winning

2776
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 4: m v P. That's not gonna happen, I know. But

2777
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 4: but the reason the awards system, like like when you

2778
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 4: were just like you have Walter Payton and m V. Pole,

2779
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 4: Like we were just talking about with the sake quach

2780
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 4: and one of last year and they want to yes

2781
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 4: crazy and like we were just talking about with the

2782
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. The system's broken. But that shouldn't bail

2783
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 4: out the voters. It wouldn't be such.

2784
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 3: An issue with them. It's left so an issue if.

2785
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 4: They actually considered players at other positions. I'm just saying.

2786
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 5: I I do feel as though, again this is all

2787
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 5: I have no information on this whatsoever. I promise I

2788
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 5: do feel that Mike Rabel is gonna win Coach.

2789
01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 4: That is the one I'm the most confident about.

2790
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,200
Speaker 5: He has one Coach of the Year at all the

2791
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 5: other you know, PFW at Sporting News, like all these

2792
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 5: other people that hand out these awards, It's been Mike

2793
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 5: Rabel Coach of the Year.

2794
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 3: It's not there.

2795
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 5: There's not a ton of overlapping voters, but there is

2796
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 5: not zero overlapping voters either. You kind of just get

2797
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 5: the general idea of what a voting body looks at.

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Speaker 5: With these kinds of things, it's typically a turnaround award, right.

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01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 5: He had the biggest turnaround I would say that Mike

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01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 5: Rabel is probably gonna win Coach of the Year.

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01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't know about McDaniels. That one is tired Coby

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01:55:52,520 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 3: slam Dunk, so it should be I don't know if

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01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 3: he's gonna win.

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01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 4: Who else is nominated there?

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01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 3: So this is the problem that I have.

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01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 5: And I love Josh McDaniels, and I don't want this

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01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 5: to come across as any other thing, but uh, you know,

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01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 5: thinking that he's great, Yeah, it does kind of irk

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01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 5: me a tiny weeny bit that Mike Rabel and Josh

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01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 5: McDaniels are going to get recognized, but Drake May is

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01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 5: not going to get recognized, right, So that's fair. The

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01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 5: coaches that were part of the best single turner you know,

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01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 5: season turnaround in NFL history, tied, are going to do it.

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01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 5: Uh potentially, by the way, real quick, it's Fangio Flores, Vance, Joseph,

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01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,680
Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak, and Josh. If they gave it to Flora,

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01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 5: I should have said it's slam Dunk.

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01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 4: If they give it to Flores, I'd be good with that.

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01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 4: Those are your offensive and defensive whichever way they go,

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01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 4: they go.

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01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 3: So, uh that that's just my two cents.

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01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that I would think any less of anybody,

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01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 5: but I just feel like.

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01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 3: No, it's weird.

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01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 4: It's it's the player down playing Drake.

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01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 3: The player deserves credit.

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01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 4: Well, no, essentially, what the voters are saying as Drake

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01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 4: made is a product of the Patriots system, which is

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01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:56,800
Speaker 4: credits the vote, which is crazy.

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01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 3: But a.

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01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 4: He did develop like crazy and you got to give

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01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 4: the coach some credit for that.

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01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 5: Okay, So comeback Player of the Year, that's going to

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01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 5: mcaff Yeah, that's probably not gonna be.

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01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 4: I would love for the NFL to add a most

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01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 4: Improoved Player like the NBA has, and Drake would win

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01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 4: that if they had any I think he won it

2837
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 4: right with with pfw A because they do do that. Uh,

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01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 4: they should have the most proved player.

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01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 4: They should also add a Collective Offensive Line award.

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01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 3: Yes, they have the Protector of the Year.

2842
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 4: Right, but give us like the pro joe more awards.

2843
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 3: I actually think the Protector of the Year award.

2844
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 4: You might get your wish and it might be Jo

2845
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 4: Joey Lifetime Achievement Award. First one starting to trend in

2846
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 4: that high five, Greg.

2847
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 5: It's either going to be him or Penney Sewel it's

2848
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 5: gonna be one of the two.

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01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:43,520
Speaker 4: I think I don't want that to become a tackle award,

2850
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 4: so I'd love it if a guard wins it first.

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01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 5: I think Ted McMillan is gonna win rookie. I think

2852
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 5: he is very, very good. Yeah, it's deserving. Trayvon Henderson

2853
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 5: in a good year, but a good year in like

2854
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 5: peak games, right, Tampa Giants, Buffalo like.

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01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 3: Really driving up the yards per care that. Yeah, he was.

2856
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 3: He was better for the course of the season.

2857
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 5: So that'll be tomorrow night at NFL Honors Patriots Unfiltered.

2858
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 5: We'll be back at from one to five Eastern, two

2859
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 5: to ten to two Pacific.

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01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,840
Speaker 4: I'm trying to do the converted. I'm not on coast

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01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 4: time or West Coast time. I'm getting up like I'm

2862
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 4: on East coast.

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01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 5: Doesn't surprised me. So we left some callers on hold.

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01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 5: I apologize, but you guys can hit us up tomorrow.

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01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 5: We have eight more hours of programming here on Patriots

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01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,640
Speaker 5: dot com, so you have plenty of other time to

2867
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 5: call in.

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01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,000
Speaker 3: I hope that we got you guys ready for the game.

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01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 5: That was our goal on this podcast was to be

2870
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 5: really Seahawks Patriots heavy, because I know you're gonna get

2871
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 5: a whole lot of nonsense in a lot of other

2872
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 5: places this week that has nothing to do with the

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01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,959
Speaker 5: super Bowl. I want to think our guests, Ben, Benjamin

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01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 5: solak Shan si ed.

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01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 3: They were great. I knew Ben would would kill that.

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01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I could have talked to him for

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01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:02,280
Speaker 5: another hour, but I didn't want to take up too

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01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 5: much of his time.

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01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 3: Alex and I will be back next week.

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01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 5: We'll be home, back in Foxborough next Wednesday, back to

2881
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:12,120
Speaker 5: our normal time. Uh well, we'll see. Actually will be

2882
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 5: off season schedule, so we might be act we might.

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01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see off season. It's nice going into the

2884
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 4: off season like we're going into the office.

2885
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 3: Either way, we'll break down and.

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01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 4: We might be Wednesday unless Tuesday.

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01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll break down the super Bowl. We'll get some

2888
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,240
Speaker 5: probably start to do some off season things. I am

2889
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 5: so freaking behind on the draft. I'm it's it's starting

2890
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 5: to kind of low key stress me out a little

2891
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 5: bit with you.

2892
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 3: But we'll we'll talk about all that stuff.

2893
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:47,160
Speaker 5: Enjoy the super Bowl, guys, truly enjoy the game. Have

2894
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 5: a good time watching it. Hopefully the Patriots come out

2895
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 5: on top, but just in general, it's not normal that

2896
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:54,360
Speaker 5: they're back here.

2897
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 4: Enjoy every second.

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01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 3: It's not normal, so enjoy it.

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01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 5: We'll see you guys next week, and we'll see you

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Speaker 5: I'm Patriots on Filtered tomorrow