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Speaker 1: come to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, and yes, you just heard her voice,

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Speaker 1: the great Colleen Wolf, Connie Fox the Tiny Box. She's back. YO.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you guys, tug Boat, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Did you get Do we have the drop? Ricky? Maybe

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Speaker 1: make her producing seems subpar interesting play there. Like you,

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Speaker 1: I'm just pushing her to get better, to be better,

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Speaker 1: we should all push ourselves to be beat. That's a

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Speaker 1: good friends and good quality and a friend. And that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of friend that you seem to appear to be.

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Speaker 1: Since we haven't had you Connie on the show in

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Speaker 1: on the eve of his possible retirement. Oh love you bro?

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Speaker 1: Wait what was that? Tom? Love you bro? Do you

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Speaker 1: a little more concerned with Bill Cower's emotions. If Tom

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Speaker 1: during the closing uh in the closing half of that game,

430
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: even though he was under constant arrest. So he went

431
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: out if this would be the good way he goes out.

432
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: He went out as a big time player still, but

433
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: now we're hearing he's thinking about and he's involving his

434
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: family um in making the decision. Here's what he said

435
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: on his podcast with none other than the infamous Jim Gray.

436
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: Football is extremely important in my life and it means

437
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot to me, and I care a lot about

438
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: what we're trying to accomplish as a team, and I

439
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: care a lot about my teammates. And the biggest difference

440
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: style that I'm molder is I have kids now too,

441
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I care about them a lot as well.

442
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, they've been my biggest supporters. My

443
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: wife is my guess supporter. It pains her to see

444
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: me get hit out there, and you know, she deserves

445
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: what she needs from me as a husband. My kids

446
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: deserve what they need from me as a dad. You know,

447
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 1: I've already kind of shared my thoughts on where how

448
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 1: I think this ends up, so I won't be labored,

449
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: but I do I do want to say I knew

450
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: that he has Brady a professional relationship with Jim Gray,

451
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: the infamous Jim Gray. But it's apparently a podcast called

452
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: the Let's Go Podcast, And how boring must that podcast

453
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: be to never be in the news you never hear about, like,

454
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: what's the first episode? You're so you're telling me. Okay,

455
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's been completely dark, but there is a

456
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: scenario here where Tom Brady. Tom Brady has been doing

457
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: a podcast who knows every week, maybe three times podcast.

458
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald is on it too. Nothing new. It's uh yeah,

459
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: it's like seven, it's probably started. Hey, Ricky, can you

460
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: do some digging and let me know how often that

461
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: Let's Go podcast into it? Alright? Anyway, Connie, you're you

462
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: got the floor, all right. I didn't realize that I

463
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't have the floor at the beginning of the show,

464
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: and you asked me this, So here we go. I'm

465
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna go into my actual take on this. I don't

466
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: really I don't think that this is an attention thing

467
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: for Tom Brady. When he says that he's going to

468
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: kind of take time and think about it with his family,

469
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: I believe him in that, and I think that he's

470
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: serious here because he said that a fairretwell tour would

471
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: not be something that he wanted to do and that

472
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: he would find it distracting. But I think the main

473
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: reason why I take this so seriously is because Tom

474
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Brady was on Howard Stern like two years ago maybe,

475
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: and it was a really interesting interview. And in that

476
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: interview he talked about his family and his relationship with them,

477
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: and his relationship with Giselle and how they had gone

478
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: to marriage counseling together, and how so much of what

479
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: he does it really is like a family decision. And

480
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: when you think about the supreme effort that goes into

481
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, tom being Tom Brady, that is not something

482
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: that is easy, and that's taking away a lot of

483
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: time from his family and from his personal life. I mean,

484
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: he is like seventy years old maybe at this point,

485
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: like he actually could be eighty years old at this point.

486
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: But the way that he is playing and the way

487
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: that he puts all of this work into his body

488
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: and his performance and and everything on the field, that's

489
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: not insignificant. So I think that this it could be

490
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: him going out and it's not a bad way to

491
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: go out. Sure that he didn't win another Super Bowl,

492
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: but individually. It was one of his best seasons, so

493
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: it will say, and especially after the way that they

494
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: came back against the Rams. They fell short, but it

495
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: was a dramatic comeback. So if it yeah, Rick, well

496
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: the forty three episodes and it's explicit and it's through

497
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: serious x M. But it does look like sometimes Tom

498
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Brady's not on it and it's Larry Fitzgerald and um

499
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: Jim Gray, but it does look like Brady has been

500
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: on quite quite a bit. Started weekly. I think my

501
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: guests would be they take that radio hit and throw

502
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: it into the podcast, but who knows it's weekly? Uh

503
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: and yeah, and there's Fitzgerald episodes. It's it's very strange.

504
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: It's a good point big we are better and bigger

505
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: than Tom Brady at one thing, Dan, there's no way

506
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: his podcast about it. Let's go the McAfee show, and

507
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like the biggest story in the NFL, like every Tuesday,

508
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: come on to me, because I mean, he's dropping incendiary commentary.

509
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't mean say anything, especially if if it is

510
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: that radio hit repurposed, it's like he really doesn't see

511
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: anything on that. I think what he said, I think

512
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: what he said on the podcast, though, was was telling

513
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: he's never talked like this before. That's why it's different.

514
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: We've never had these reports before. He's never talked to

515
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: Al Michael's about it before. I think he is going

516
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: to retire if I had to guess. Obviously have no idea,

517
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: but I just think because he just seems like the

518
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: type football players say this all the time that once

519
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it, it's like you're already retired and

520
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: I and I would think for Tom Brady that would

521
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: be doubly true. And just the way that he said, look,

522
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: I get joy from playing football, but now outside of football,

523
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of joy for me there as well,

524
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: the team, not you know, deserving anything less than his best,

525
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: so like total commitment, Like I buy that. It almost

526
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: sounds like like he's leaning that way now, almost clearly,

527
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: And it's that emotional time right after the season when

528
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: a lot of players are like that, almost like he's

529
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: trying to convince himself because of course he said it's

530
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: not about necessarily what he wants, and and it has

531
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: been about what he wants, because he would have retired

532
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: years ago if it wasn't about what he wants. And

533
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: so that's why this the timing of it all. And yeah,

534
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: he it sounded like he wanted to get back to

535
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: another super Bowl. They're like, that would have been the

536
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: perfect way to go out, But he's played enough NFL

537
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: seasons to know how brutal it is and how much

538
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: of a chance there is next year that like the

539
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: Bucks are way worse, Like he's realistic enough about that,

540
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: or that he's worse, and that he's also been to

541
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: the end of seasons where his team, you know, stumbled

542
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: to the finish line and people didn't even think about

543
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: him as a top ten quarterback, Like if he is

544
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: going out, to me, this is about as on top

545
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: as it could be, having this two year stint in

546
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay that even the most optimistic Tom Brady fans

547
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: like like me, never would have thought would have been

548
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: this successful on an individual level or a team level,

549
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: that they got a super Bowl. And so it just

550
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: it just checks out to me that that this that

551
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: he is going to do it, or that he's leaning

552
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: at least at this moment, he's leaning that way and

553
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: he's just trying to give it a little time to

554
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: see to see if he would change it. I don't

555
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a Brett Farve type at all.

556
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I think he would be your mouth. I hate to

557
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: be a dissenting voice like I I agree with Greg.

558
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I think he's out right, and I admit it's like

559
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're reading into human character, but that's

560
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: would be my guess. I I really I get real

561
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: concerned for the idea that someone like Tom Brady, who

562
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: like his life the sun is football and that's what

563
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: he revolves around. I get the family angle, and there's

564
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: obviously been tension there because he mentioned that Giselle has

565
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: wanted him to walk away for a while. So to me,

566
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: what concerns me a little bit um beyond the football

567
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, aspect of it is that it sounds like

568
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: a compromise. I maybe not maybe I who what do

569
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: I know? I don't know the family at all, but

570
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I worry about Tom Brady. Come August, that's suddenly, first

571
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: of all, physically still in great shape, an m VP

572
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: candidate playing at the highest level. Um walking away from

573
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: a game that has been his life, that is his

574
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: identity on so many levels. For family life, I I

575
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: think that can be very fulfilling too. But I'll I

576
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: go back to this interview that I had with Marv

577
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Levy's wife during Super Bowl Week, and she talked about

578
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: when he finally retired after decades and decades of the

579
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: bio rhythm of football, that he came into the home.

580
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Suddenly he was there seven and she had learned to

581
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: live with Marv Levy, living this other structured life. And

582
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: she told me, said, look, this thing drove me absolutely nuts.

583
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: Suddenly there's this guy in the house all day long

584
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: who has nothing to do, and it was a terrible fit.

585
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't even put the article on NFL dot com

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: because it was far too negative. I'm not put projecting

587
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: that on Tom Brady, but I do worry about someone

588
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: who is such a lifer this way, leaving for the

589
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: family and kids. Reason I do it should be known

590
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: because because I have knowledge of this. Dolores Levy hated

591
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Marv Levy. The marriage was a sham. Look at I like,

592
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: I came away from Mark Burne and I know you're kidding,

593
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: but I came away from the interview thinking they were

594
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: a match because they were never around each other. That's

595
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: how they got Do you want to do it? You

596
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: and do a sangwiche with me? On this too. I

597
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: I totally think he's out. I will happily better swich

598
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: he wouldn't want to do a retirement tour too. And

599
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: he and he kind of he did the Tom Brady

600
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: doc you know, series weekly what was it called on

601
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: ESPN this year, Like he just let go of his

602
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: he just released his clothing, I think commercials and stuff.

603
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: It's like he's sort of he's out. I think he's retiring.

604
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: All right, you want to get on the on the sandwich,

605
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I got three on the hook, Come on back, tell

606
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: me boy, all right, let's keep moving. Big story though

607
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: your story. All right, let's still top on the personnel carousel?

608
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Shall we have the bucks and the scenes could both

609
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: stink at the same time. Yeah, the NFC seal taking

610
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: a hit potentially of epic proportions and that rules like yes,

611
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: maybe now I'll go six and eleven. Just so the

612
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Giants have filled their general manager post hiring Joe Shane

613
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: is a Shane? Is that what we came down on

614
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: the spellings and print, But Joe Shane, he is the

615
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: new general manager of ul Jaman. The Shane is the

616
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: former Bill's assistant GM. He was the right hand man

617
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: up there in Buffalo. So this is a guy that

618
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: helped build that powerhouse Bill's roster or had a certainly

619
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: had a hand in it. So it feels like, so far,

620
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: so good for the Giants. The Bears also have filled

621
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: their GM post hiring, and this one, I don't know.

622
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: For some reason, this one bothers me. Ryan Poles is

623
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: the new GM, which is a too close to Ryan

624
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: pace and also Nick Foles, who was a bad Bear

625
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles. It drives me nuts. It drives me absolutely nuts.

626
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: If like you, let's say you were you were someone, um,

627
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: a girl or a guy. That's fine too dating someone

628
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: named Ryan. Um, if you break up with Ryan, you

629
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: don't date Ryan. You have to date someone with a

630
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: different name before you go back. Imagine, go ahead, Well

631
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm just that's my personal code. What may maybe you've

632
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: branched into that. No, I was gonna say, my ex

633
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend ended up marrying a colleen, Like do we think

634
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: that that's problem? And his name was Gonza? Was it

635
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: back to back? Was it? Was it back to that Colleen? Well,

636
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: then you know what, more power to him. And in

637
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: other news, the favorite to be the new general manager

638
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Vikings replacing Rick Spielman. Up there is

639
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: Brown's up and comer vice president Football Operations, gonna annail it,

640
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Cowessia dopha mensa. By the way, that Sean Payton presscommence

641
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: is still is still going. Can you imagine thinking what's

642
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Speaker 1: going on in your life? Is that important? Like John F.

643
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Speaker 1: Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis didn't speak this long. Well,

644
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: now he's getting questions. It is this important in New Orleans,

645
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: like he should take all the public questions that that

646
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Speaker 1: they wanted to be started. This press conference started seventy

647
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: three minutes ago. He's a he's a perfect it's a

648
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: perfect fit for Jerry Jones. By the way, those two

649
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: he's the coach of the local football team. I get it.

650
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Speaker 1: But they're asking questions. He's not going to be in

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Speaker 1: that setting ever again. So just like him, keep asking,

652
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Speaker 1: all right, we buy a pigs invasion failed, we have

653
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: major problems are and then it's over in five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Concise Kennedy esk right, we should mention like that Josh

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Speaker 1: that giants higher. You know he's from the Bills. He's

656
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Speaker 1: interviewing Brian Brian Dable as a finalist for that job.

657
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is as well for a second interview, but

658
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: it makes it more likely that it's gonna be doable.

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Speaker 1: And then with the Chiefs guy going to Minnesota, you

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Speaker 1: kind of wonder, uh if they'd bring into Eric b

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Speaker 1: Enemy and supposedly he has a relationship with Damiko Ryan's

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Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco, who was going to get

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Speaker 1: a second interview in Minnesota? So those might be two

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Speaker 1: names to watch. Is gonna need compromising photos of someone's

665
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Speaker 1: like owner to get a head coaching job? It just

666
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Speaker 1: seems that's how this thing is going. Well. This is

667
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Speaker 1: a guy that worked with him closely, so you would

668
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Speaker 1: think it would be telling one way or another if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't hire him. I found that the Shane higher

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Speaker 1: interesting for the Giants on one little thing that there's

671
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Speaker 1: there's whispers that the Mara that Marrow wants the ownership

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Speaker 1: wants um Brian Flores. It was very into Brian Flores.

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Speaker 1: But Shane worked under Chris Career for like nine years,

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Speaker 1: so like, if anyone's going to get the real story

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Speaker 1: on Brian Flores, and probably be I would imagine tilted

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: away from Brian Flores, it would be the guy that

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Speaker 1: just hired. It just I mean, if you're getting the

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Speaker 1: guy that's the guy behind the guy in Buffalo personnel wise,

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Speaker 1: and Brian Dable's a red hot offensive coordinator candidate, who's

680
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Speaker 1: going to get a big chair? That just it seems

681
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Speaker 1: to make sense. Dots real quick on the polls higher,

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Speaker 1: What did you guys think of George McCay asky picking

683
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Speaker 1: up poles at the airport wearing a Bears jacket and

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00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: jeans and holding poles his hometown as like the card

685
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: for him to recognize him? Apparently Bears Twitter was like

686
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Speaker 1: split on this. Half of them thought it was a

687
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Speaker 1: cheap kind of way to do things. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was kind of nice. I thought it was a sweet touch. Makasky,

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Speaker 1: the chairperson of the Chicago Bears official title, I like it.

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: I think they're just generally very a lot of Bears

691
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Speaker 1: fans which seemed to be generally embarrassed by McCaskey as

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Speaker 1: a human. So I'm not sure that it bridged the gap,

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Speaker 1: but it seemed like a tender way to int intro him. Mark,

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Speaker 1: have you put in a phone call to Adafo Mensa

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Speaker 1: to uh perhaps sway him to stay with Cleveland, to

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Speaker 1: keep that brain trust or to get that job. Go

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Speaker 1: go go work for him in Minnesota. I'm trying to

698
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Speaker 1: kick Mark and Mark off the podcast. Greg, we see

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Speaker 1: what you're talking to. Uh No, I've not contacted him.

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Speaker 1: But also, you know the Browns, this is the way

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Speaker 1: this new things works. They get two third round picks

702
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Speaker 1: um if he takes the job, so we'll see, you know,

703
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Speaker 1: although he probably would have been the guy making those picks.

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Speaker 1: So now we've got we've got issues. There's problems. M alright. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's uh hop back on the personnel carousel. Here a

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Speaker 1: number of coaches now we're taking second interviews. Greg's going

707
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Speaker 1: to run him down because that's how his brain works.

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Speaker 1: He has them all on the tip of his tongue

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Speaker 1: right now. The only one I'll share with you is

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Speaker 1: that our good friend, Packer's offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett is

711
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: set to have his second interview with the Broncos. That

712
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: was that went down yesterday actually in Denver. We are

713
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Speaker 1: close and I got this update from David Eally on

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Speaker 1: the news desk, and we know the news desk apocalypse

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Speaker 1: surrounding the head shot and an unnamed talent flagging them

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Speaker 1: multiple times Um head coach Nathaniel Hackett in play in play,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like they like they they they had Damn

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Speaker 1: Quinn for a second one to but Hackett seems to

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Speaker 1: be getting a little are buzz If Rogers ends up

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Speaker 1: like coming back and going over there, then that would

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Speaker 1: kind of seems like con I would hope that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be the reason that you were hiring him, because that

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Speaker 1: you know, it might not be up to might not

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Speaker 1: be up to Aaron Rodgers. Well, they also interviewed his

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Speaker 1: his qbad they've interviewed the Packers QB coach for that

726
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: head coaching job too, So you wonder if Hackett brings

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Speaker 1: him over as O C and suddenly you know, Aaron Rodgers,

728
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Speaker 1: you know who has backed Nathaniel Hackett as a head

729
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Speaker 1: coaching higher for a while now. It maybe gets into

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Speaker 1: the head a little bit and thinking it's nice and

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00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: Denver does feel like a modern day Broncos moved to

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Speaker 1: to really roll out the red carpet without any promises.

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Speaker 1: I would say, like whether you're Hackett, who's you know?

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Speaker 1: All right? He's pretty good candidate in terms of hot names.

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Speaker 1: He's connected to a team that's done very well in

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Dan Quinn's an even better example, who's

737
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Speaker 1: coming off a year where he's completely rehabbed his image.

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Speaker 1: Would you not go anywhere and, knowing what we know

739
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Speaker 1: about our league unless the star quarterback was there, It

740
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Speaker 1: just too much of a risk to join a team

741
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Speaker 1: that doesn't have a guy in place, because you only

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Speaker 1: get one to maybe three years, but probably one to

743
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Speaker 1: two years. Are you really gonna roll the dice if

744
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Speaker 1: you have your pick of teams. If I'm Quinn, I

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Speaker 1: would not leave that position unless they absolutely had a

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Speaker 1: rock star landing spot. Yeah, the second time around it right?

747
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: I think the second time around that's right, because he's

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Speaker 1: he's earned the life changing money. Like Nathaniel Hackett, who

749
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Speaker 1: knows if he ever actually ever gets another offer. It's

750
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Speaker 1: tough to be choosy. Some of these guys who get

751
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: in the interview cycles are gone from it forever pretty soon.

752
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean he he can look to his dad as

753
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: an interesting example. And Paul Hackett was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the next Bill Walsh. His dad never quite happened, and

755
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Speaker 1: Bill Wash I believe, was you know, furious at him

756
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Speaker 1: for leaving, leaving the nest in San Francisco back in

757
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: the day, and it's weird. Nathaniel Hackett isn't calling plays

758
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. You know, when he was calling plays,

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Speaker 1: it was for the blake Boarder Jaguars, not you know,

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Speaker 1: was it wasn't beloved by any means. Hmm. Interesting, All right,

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Speaker 1: let's uh any other coaching coaches you guys want to

762
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: throw out there? All right, good, let's move on and

763
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: other news. I thought I found this interesting. Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: He's been on both sides of the overtime coin toss,

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Speaker 1: good and bad. Where you're trying to, you know, extend

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Speaker 1: your season, get to a Super Bowl, you lose the

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Speaker 1: coin toss in a classic game, you're great quarterback never

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Speaker 1: gets the ball. Uh. Andy Reid empathizes with the Bills

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Speaker 1: after that difficult divisional playoff loss in buff For Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opposed to an ot rules change, Reid,

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Speaker 1: said Ian Rappaport, our own Ian Rappaport, the NFL Network insider.

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Speaker 1: UH said that it is potentially on the table, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that a change could happen. Um, we shall see. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this, Greg. We talked about it

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Speaker 1: on the Sunday Night Show. Um, how you pointed out

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Speaker 1: correctly that if it was both teams get the ball

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Speaker 1: regardless of what happens in the first possession, it actually

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Speaker 1: favors the second team because they know what they need

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Speaker 1: the team that gets the ball second. I should say,

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Speaker 1: all right, so what if you kept the coin flip,

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Speaker 1: whoever wins the coin flip gets to elect whether they

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Speaker 1: get the ball first or second. You'll almost always I

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Speaker 1: would think, take second strategically. Uh, and that way you

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00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: still the flip still gets to decide who has the advantage,

785
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't potentially end the game without both quarterbacks

786
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Speaker 1: slash offenses seeing the field. How about that. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's better. I don't think so. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just I don't think there's a better overtime situation. I

789
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: think overtime inherently is gonna be random, so you have

790
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Speaker 1: to win in regulation to avoid that. But any recipe

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Speaker 1: where it's like you could be playing three overtimes essentially

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Speaker 1: because the possessions keep going back and forth like college. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it seems crazy. Z for a league that seems that

794
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: sounds obsessed about player safety. It's just it's like football.

795
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Speaker 1: If you get to the end and oh, the defense

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00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: is is gassed and like they can't stop them anymore.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a time for the game to end,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't. I just

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Speaker 1: don't see why that. I guess this is my my

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Speaker 1: point about this whole thing, and Mark, I'm cure. So

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Speaker 1: you think, like if if you're gonna and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this to you specifically, Greg, but everyone that's being

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Speaker 1: about the overtime rules, well we need to have everyone

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Speaker 1: that has to have a plan. Now I just shared mine.

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Speaker 1: Gregg shot it down. That's fine with somebody. We need ideas.

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Speaker 1: We need to figure this out because it does feel

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Speaker 1: like the current plan just doesn't work. I would just

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Speaker 1: say with the player safety thing, like I wouldn't change

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Speaker 1: regular season at all. I don't think anyone's pushing to

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Speaker 1: do that. But when you get into a playoffs scenario

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Speaker 1: like we've seen it, it robbed obviously Patrick Mahomes of

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Speaker 1: a chance to match Tom Brady a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: This time a Homes is on the upper hand of that,

814
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Speaker 1: but it robbed us have seen Josh Allen, and I

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Speaker 1: think it kind of stole the spirit of that game away.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I I'm hearing lots of good ideas.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cook one up because I think

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Speaker 1: I would say you do it. I think that they

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Speaker 1: should play the full overtime period until the very end,

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Speaker 1: and then if they're still tied there, each team gets

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Speaker 1: one offensive possession. If they so much, I think players

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Speaker 1: would not have to play. How about this craft factoring

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Speaker 1: kind like minutes though that kind of like I'm factoring

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Speaker 1: and everything said, everything that everyone is saying, including the

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Speaker 1: player safety, which is something that the NFL, even though

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Speaker 1: if sometimes it doesn't align with that the realities of

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Speaker 1: how the league's moving forward that they talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about player safety. Keep the current modified overtime rules in

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Speaker 1: place regular season, like Mark saying, that's fine, it's a

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Speaker 1: regular season. In the playoffs, you have a newly modified

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Speaker 1: overtime situation, uh, that is shifted to make sure these

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Speaker 1: teams get a fair shake because the championship is now

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Speaker 1: on the line. It's second season. How about that modified

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Speaker 1: postseason overtime. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I think

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Speaker 1: that that that seems to serve everyone. And Greg, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about like the exhaustion factor and how can

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Speaker 1: we possibly have them play five more minutes. This may

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Speaker 1: occur like one one This would occur maybe like one

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Speaker 1: or two times in the playoffs. Tops I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it just seems like that game, the rule change

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Speaker 1: has come off of Premier Island game moments like that.

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Speaker 1: That's when that's what triggers the NFL to make trait.

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00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: That's why Andy Reid had to say that he was

844
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Speaker 1: boxed in a corner because he was literally the one

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Speaker 1: who brought up the rules proposal change four years ago

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Speaker 1: and it didn't go anywhere. Like the Chiefs, who are

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00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: the ones who who wanted the rules change, and maybe

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00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: the league is maybe the people who are making decisions

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Speaker 1: has changed, but I don't know, it didn't work. Taken

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Speaker 1: on this, it's taken on the like it is a

851
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: very tedious argument on Twitter at this point. But I

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Speaker 1: think that from the spirit of what we watched Bill's Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: I would like to see a change a little. I

854
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: guess part of me thinks, like, hey, news flash, it's

855
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: all ran Like randomness is such a huge factor. We

856
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: add on all these narratives after the fact, but it's

857
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: like it's it's a random thing, and that like can

858
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable as fans, Uh that the coin flip does matter.

859
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: I think it's only been like fifty three percent of

860
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: teams in general I have that won the coin flip

861
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: of one, So it hasn't been like that huge offs

862
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs and the playoffs that's happened more. I don't

863
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: know if that's that's right, but like, there's so everything

864
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: was random to get to that point, and it's and

865
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: that's I think what happens with an overtime At that

866
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: point we don't adjust anything in human existence. Now my point,

867
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: the random nature of all all things is I mean

868
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: what no, I'm saying, like and like to get to overtime,

869
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: and there's so many factors that had to come into

870
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: play before before that. Like I can accept a little

871
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: bit of randomness with the coin flip because it's not

872
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: that big. Ultimately, you can still go win a ball

873
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: game a million other ways. You um pointed out Andy

874
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: Reid four years ago. That was after that classic between

875
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots and Chiefs. I assume, uh, in the a

876
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: f C title game when the Chiefs lost the coin

877
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: toss at Arrowhead and never got the ball. I love

878
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Um, what about um the idea that same

879
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: thing with how the past interference rule came to be

880
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: a high visibility Playoffs instance, being a catalyst for change.

881
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: I wonder because that's being seen by many people as

882
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: well that didn't work out. Well. I'm just saying, um,

883
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: I think I feel like you're in the minority on

884
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: this crag. I think a lot of people would like

885
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: to experiment with change and maybe it doesn't work. Even

886
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: the past interference thing, Yes, it failed miserably, but I

887
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: don't mind that the NFL was open to trying different

888
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: things to make the product better. I'm with you, I

889
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: just haven't heard the thing that gets me excited about

890
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: something different. I was all for when they changed the

891
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: overtime and that was a three year process. If you

892
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: guys remember that was in the playoffs only for a

893
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: couple of years, right that was that was back in

894
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: or so, and they eventually adopted it, and it's been better.

895
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: It's been better. But I haven't heard one that I like.

896
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. It's just I wrote a lot

897
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: of p f T posts about it. It was a

898
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of excitement. Sean McDermott, Bill's coach,

899
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: speaking of that classic game, uh, he said, he has

900
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: watched the last thirteen set. This is why, this is

901
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: why Sean Payton retired today, quote unquote retired. He's watched

902
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: the last thirteen seconds of regulation that led to that

903
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: heartbreaking loss for Buffalo a million times. Let's listen to

904
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: McDermott and this is good that we have sounds that

905
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: means that Sean McDermott is still alive. I watched it

906
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: on video and I've watched it over and over my

907
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: head a million times, in my stomach a million more. Um.

908
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll continue to watch it in my mind and in

909
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: my cut for for years. I wrote about in the

910
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: Power Rankings this week where time will tell well, is

911
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: this the final agonizing roadblock for the Bills and their

912
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: climb to Lombardi glory or will this be the loss

913
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: that sticks to the ribs like no other loss since

914
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: those Super Bowl defeats? Like, we don't know, the only

915
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: thing we do know is now the Bills need to

916
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: go through another entire offseason, another training camp, another regular

917
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: season into the playoffs just to get back to this

918
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: point again. It's not just physical now for the Bills,

919
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: and where that organization is at its mental as well.

920
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: There's just so many heartbreaks too. I mean, when you

921
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: think about the history of the Bills and you have

922
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: the Music City Miracle, and you have the Wide Right,

923
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: and you have now like the thirteen seconds, and the

924
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: fact that Sean McDermott and all of the players are

925
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: going to replay this over and over and over in

926
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: their minds. It's just it's so heavy on them. And

927
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: I really hope though, it is the beginning for this

928
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: team and not the end, because it really could go

929
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: either way. And we've seen it work with Kansas City

930
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs when when they sort of came out

931
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: on the wrong end of things and now they're trying

932
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: to get back to their third straight Super Bowl. But

933
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: there's so many things that need to break right for

934
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: teams and injuries. I mean, you're talking about player, personnel, schedule,

935
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: all of it. And the one thing that stood out

936
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: to me when I was looking through mc dermott's quotes

937
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: just him talking about that plane ride home, and obviously

938
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: all of us can imagine what it was like, but

939
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: he said, if you saw that plane ride on the

940
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: way home, you would not come away with the impression

941
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: that we're fine. And that's that's stating the obvious, but

942
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: just putting yourself in their shoes flying back from that

943
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: just utter devastats, right, And it's sort of what I

944
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: was getting at with like the randomness of it all.

945
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Like I guess I just don't buy that the Bills

946
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: didn't have some inherent championship level qualities in side of

947
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: them that prevented them from winning the title this year.

948
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: To me, they they with it with a couple of

949
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: little things happening different that didn't have to do with them.

950
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: You know, Let's say they score in the next plate,

951
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: like then they win the super Bowl. They were a

952
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: championship team, but they didn't win it. And that's that's

953
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: what happens in sports sometimes. And they'll have other cracks

954
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: at it. Josh Allen is too good for them not

955
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: to be a factor of it all. But but you

956
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: don't know. You just don't know that you're gonna be

957
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: there in that same sort of they'll be relevant, you'll

958
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: be relevant, but maybe they won't be that good. You

959
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: just you just don't know. And to Connie's point, I mean,

960
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: Sean Payton probably still speaking as we speak. Um, I'll

961
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: tell you, I can tell you guys, he's still there.

962
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. He can tell you Andrew is taking

963
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: it from him in same for the local football. You know,

964
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: he's just wrapping a bow on it, you know, getting

965
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: him into the next show, real aid Lincoln of sorts. Um.

966
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: But I mean those three straight, you know, heart wrenching

967
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: playoff losses the Saints had, well can they get back there?

968
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: Because they're that good. Suddenly there's no Sean Payton, Suddenly

969
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: there's no Drew Brees. Suddenly there's total chaos, right that

970
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: and and all that said, like, it's got to kill

971
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott watching that film too, because you know he

972
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: don't think watching it for giggles, he's got to get

973
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: his binoculars out to find his safeties. On those two plays,

974
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I fired it up there forty yards down the field.

975
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: What are they doing there? What are they doing there?

976
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: They weren't in the place they like, the safety came

977
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: up to top Kelsey. He did about as good as

978
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: he could have. He was like standing at the goal line.

979
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Something something strange broke down there, and he said it

980
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: was execution. McDermott. He wouldn't go into that, even beyond

981
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: the kickoff thing, but something strange happened with the execution

982
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: of the of the defense for those last two he

983
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: was hired to be a defensive masterminds that that's tough

984
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: to stomach as a defensive I was on Good Morning

985
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: Football this morning, and Gabriel Davis, you have the four

986
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a losing effort, was on being interviewed right before,

987
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and the man looked like he was at his own funeral,

988
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: like it was a very very it's a very bittersweet,

989
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: strange position for somebody like Gabriel Davis, who just had

990
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: the greatest professional day he'll ever have in his life

991
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: most likely, and and if things just went a little

992
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: bit different in those hashtag thirteen seconds, he's one of

993
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: the biggest stories in the NFL. Uh. Instead, it's just

994
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: kind of an afterthought. And by the way, on that note,

995
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds not not the thirteen second miracle, not the

996
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: thirteen second game. These all time classics need that shorthand description.

997
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Thirteen seconds. You nailed it. Um. By the way, you

998
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: know that press conference going ninety minutes. Little American history

999
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: for you, guys. William Henry Harrison UM was the president

1000
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: for just thirty one days. He passed away in eighteen

1001
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: forty one um after he gave the longest inauguration speech

1002
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: of any US president outdoors in Washington, he fell seriously

1003
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: ill um potentially because of his exposure to the elements,

1004
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: and he died one month later. So it's just like

1005
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: it's important too. And that was the guy who just

1006
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: got elected president. And I'm sure his speech was shorter

1007
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: than Sean Payton's. Just now. I think Payton's was indoors.

1008
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: It looks pretty warm down there in New Orleans. I

1009
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: think he'll be I think his health his he looks

1010
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: really in good shape. Shout out William Henry, how is up?

1011
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Wherever you want? Big man? Your son's namesake? Is that?

1012
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: Is that the story that inspired you to name your

1013
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: son Harrison? Well, the craziest thing is I wanted his

1014
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: name to be Henry and my wife said no, So

1015
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: is it because you like your friends with your friends

1016
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: with an adult Henry? Yes, so it would be the

1017
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: second Or what about what about VP? Yes, John Tyler

1018
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: in a big spot, I get tapped to be the

1019
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: vice And that's cool. I'm beep. A month later, I'm poosa,

1020
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: not bad, all right? In other news, I'm just saying

1021
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a bummer that his colleague and

1022
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: the president. I think I think we all just were

1023
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: stuck on the word you said before that, but we

1024
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: got we figured it. Yeah, yeah, that was it. Okay, Hey,

1025
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: good news, um, fire up, turn up your amps, tune

1026
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: up your guitars, because the Carolina Panthers landed their rock

1027
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: star offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo. Baby, let's hear another tasty

1028
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: liquorickyd rock God. So that's good. That's good for the Panthers.

1029
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: And finally, late Night with Jim er Say, the Colts

1030
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: owner at one a m. Eastern Time this morning, tweeted

1031
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: the following to the masses, you can see clear as

1032
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: day in the final eight NFL team playoffs you need

1033
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: you need a QB and offense comma who can score

1034
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: thirty or more in regulation olypses, and a defense that

1035
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: can hold an opponent under thirty slammer football. The the

1036
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: last four games. I wrote this down somewhere here we

1037
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: are the last four games for the Indianapolis Colts, point

1038
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: total eleven. So it is what it is. M It's

1039
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: all out there, isn't it. Wait? Can I just tell

1040
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: you something that happen during that That was a wonderful summary.

1041
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: But like in the background, and Colleen, if you're watching

1042
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: this on YouTube, a door opens and an adult male

1043
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: walks through the door with like a barking dog. I'm

1044
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: assuming that was Gonza, right, but that was spot. We

1045
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that's my that's my lover back there.

1046
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: He just like walked over to the corner of the

1047
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: kid should and started pointing to his wrist like time

1048
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 1: and his hands up. Because I've been in the kitchen

1049
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: now for a while. I think he's hungry. I don't

1050
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: know he's yelling still, who's God? I think he is.

1051
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: He think just because he's hungry, we should wrap up

1052
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: the show or you should jump off. Exactly he was.

1053
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: He didn't make you he was. By the way, I

1054
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: had that great set up about er say in the

1055
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: future of the cult, it gets blown away because John

1056
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: can't stay in his bedroom for another ten minutes. Uh.

1057
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: I thought the think was fun. I didn't know anything

1058
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: about all that, so I thought it was informative and

1059
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: bye bye, Carson wentz. I love that. I love John

1060
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: gonz hijacked the show. There. He that's his nature. Yeah,

1061
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: it is gonna be an interesting QB carousel because it's

1062
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly apparent, apparent that Jim Ury is all done

1063
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Speaker 1: with Carson wentz Um. All right, that's what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the news. Let's take a ache and then let's get

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Speaker 1: to let's get to Jordan Rodrigue. All right, welcome back.

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00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: It is time to welcome. I guess we're all excited

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: to speak with this woman. She covers the rams for

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: the athletics. She's also the co host of the eleven

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00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: Personnel pod. She is the great Jordan Rodrigue. What's up, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Around the NFL Podcast. How are you?

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00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: I seem collected on the surface, but I'm internally freaking out.

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00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: Big fan of the show. I told Erica I was

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00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: going to say that probably sixty times. So just start

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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: cutting me off or editing it out or something when

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Speaker 1: I start picking. By the way, I don't know if

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00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned that, which which Which is your favorite? Yeah?

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: That one, you can, that's that's the one. That's the

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: thing with Schreeger. Jordan, and I don't know if you

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: saw the episode a couple of years ago, listened to

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00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: the episode. We we asked Peter Schreeger the same question,

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00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and then he said Greg, and we're all like, no, well,

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00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: remember this happening, just I asked. I asked Peter Strigger

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00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: which one of us he respected the most, and he

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00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: did not hesitate and said Greg, while Dan and I

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00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: were sitting there, uh, somewhat thunderstudy. It's refreshing. You give

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: some small times you expect you know, oh, no, one's

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00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: the faith, you know that, but he just gave you

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: the truth. And that's nice refreshing for Greg Jordan's you

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: might be my and I think maybe the whole group

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: will contend this as well. Favorite Beat Reporter at the Athletic,

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00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: which is quite a title because there's so much great

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00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: talent there. But you're you're such a great writer. You

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00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 1: cover this, you cover the sport and that team so well.

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00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: And why don't we start this way with the Rams,

1095
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: because I thought the way you put it in your

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: right up after that classic near meltdown turned um amazing

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: victory in Tampa, that there are some demons with this

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00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: team right there, whether it's uh Stafford struggles in the past,

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: even Matt Gay the kicker going to Tampa and Sean

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Speaker 1: McVeigh now has to slay another there's demon here, obviously,

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Speaker 1: with the San Francisco forty niners and the other boy

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00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: genius on the other sideline. Uh, do you think the

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Rams have that mental capability to step on the throat

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: of an opponent, get to the super Bowl and completely

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00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: rewrite the narrative of a lot of people connected to

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00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: this organization? You know what has been so uh insane

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: chaotic covering this team, I think in a good way

1108
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: because I think especially when you're a beat writer, which

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00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: I love being, UM and thank you for saying that,

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00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: although I can't want to say that because I am

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00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: the guest on your show today. UM. The you get

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00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: to see we we do rankings actually pretty regularly. UM.

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00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: Zach Keeper is like furious at us right now, but

1114
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: you you have turned out to be on top. Sorry

1115
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: Zach here, Zach Keeper is the ultimate talent there. But

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty proud of this. UM. So it's you

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00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: get to see incremental change over time and you get

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00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: to sort of study that, right, And that's what I

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00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: love about covering this team is because they've had major

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00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: catalytic changes, but then also all the little things that

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: are happening between those spaces, and that's where I think

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01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: they do allow some of these what I call them,

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: They allowed some of these demons to sort of peek

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01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: through and sneak through and almost catch them by surprise

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Speaker 1: at times. Four fumbles will certainly catch you by surprise

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. Um. But I think

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Speaker 1: with with this team, I worry less. The interesting thing,

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Speaker 1: a personality with them that's developed is almost worry less

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: about how things go for them when things are calm,

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: when they have a lead, when they can exhale, and

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: I worry. I worry more about, you know, what they

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01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: do in those moments. I worry less about what happens

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: when their backs up against the wall. All through December,

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01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: you saw them winning games when all of these external

1135
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: factors were affecting their team, you know, massive COVID nineteen

1136
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: outbreak and um, you know, losing Robert Woods earlier in November,

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01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: um onboarding two new players, just all of the things

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01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: and moving parts that are swirling around this team. And

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: then and then them navigating through that as well as

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: they did in you know, five in a row, and

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: then and then ultimately finally a seventeen point lead against

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01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: again the forty Niners, who they could have knocked out

1143
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: of postseason contention and and exhaling for the first time

1144
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: going into the halftime, going into the locker room at halftime,

1145
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: and then it comes they come back out and everything

1146
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: hits the fans. So it's it's very it's been so

1147
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: interesting kind of gauging the personality. It's almost like they

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01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: work better when there's chaos happening all around them. And

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who that's reflective of. Matthew Stafford certainly

1150
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: is comfortable, um, operating through that chaos. We we nickname

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: him on my podcast darkly Chaotic Matthew Stafford because um,

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: he does seem to navigate that headspace rather well. Um.

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01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: But it's been interesting this team. It's almost like they

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: can never let themselves get comfortable in any way because

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: things start slipping through the cracks. In that regard. I

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Speaker 1: love that you nick nicknamed him darkly chaotic because that's

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: exactly what I bookmarked in your article from this week

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: when you described his tendency to dip too far into

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Speaker 1: darkly chaotic decision making and also the fact that he

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: embraced that chaos and kind of found clarity at the

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01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: end of that game. But can you explain just like

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01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the dark place that his

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01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: teammates kind of described him going into after that spike. Yeah,

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01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of they felt they saw him, um,

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: maybe leave leave this plane and enter another one. I

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01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: think you know, it was. It was very interesting. That's

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01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: quite the reason why I love this team, right, because

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01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean I love covering this team because they they

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01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: are so fascinating in the little things that they let slip.

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Speaker 1: And that was a personality slip in him that we

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: hadn't really seen. You see the competitor um. You see

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: the guy who wants the ball in his hands at

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01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: the end of the game, regardless of whether or not

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Speaker 1: they have a lead. He wants to stay on the field.

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01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: He wants to be participating, um, and certainly when when

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: things aren't going their way, he wants to be the

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Speaker 1: guy that helps sort of settle the calm, even if

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Speaker 1: he is part of the reason why that chaos has

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: happened in the first place. And that was a a

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01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: sort of explosive moment when he spiked that ball, because

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: his teammates sort of saw this different look in his eyes.

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01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: As Sean McVeigh always says, you know, the talks about

1183
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: people look in their eyes right, and so they sort

1184
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: of saw saw this different UM, this different person who

1185
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: really does elevate in those moments. And that's why I always,

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01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: UM find him a fascinating study because he does invite that.

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes he does turn the ball or he he did

1188
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: earlier in the season. Post season, he's been excellent, but

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01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: he was turning the ball over at an opportune times

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: in certain moments, but you never felt like there was

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: this implosion. UM. And then sort of he channeled that

1192
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: in the end of the game, UM, all of that

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: sort of chaos that he's adept at navigating sometimes even

1194
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: if it's self inflicted, and it almost seemed to just

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: just burst out of him in that spike and his

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: teammates are like, whoa man. So it was it was

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: really fascinating and I do think and then him talking

1198
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: postgame is sometimes you have to go into that place

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: and learn how to embrace that place, which I think

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: we've seen over the course of his career. UM. Certainly

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01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: to me, that's a psychological go component of this is

1202
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: is learning how to be that person and embrace that

1203
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: part of you, UM, even when things go wrong, even

1204
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 1: when it's your fault. If things go wrong, that makes

1205
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: me so much more interested in Matthew Stafford that he

1206
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: has sort of a dark inner region that he channels

1207
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: during games. Very intriguing. But I mean, like, so it's

1208
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: obviously such a weather worn um fact at this point

1209
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: that the Niners have stomped them, you know, taken in

1210
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: six in a row. But in terms of the team's psychology,

1211
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: the potential weight of that, you know, where weeks removed

1212
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: from them melting down against the Niners, that which were

1213
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: obviously changed the complexion of the NFC playoffs drastically. Is

1214
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: there a weight are they are? Is this a new

1215
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: opportunity where they're able to take all that and put

1216
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: it on a boat and just float it out into

1217
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: the into the ocean or is it something that they

1218
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: think about that Sean McVeigh thinks about, you know, dealing

1219
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: with Kyle Shanahan, who has just owned them. It's it's

1220
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: such an outlier for the Rams, Like where are they

1221
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: neck up? I think they wanted to You hear guys

1222
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: talk about wanting it this way and and you know,

1223
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: you lose to a team six six times. I think

1224
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: that says something about you um as a group, as

1225
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 1: a person, for for wanting this to be the case,

1226
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's because this would be the ultimate

1227
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: way to sort of to shake these guys in the end,

1228
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: to really sort of prove that they belong, to really

1229
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: set those roots back into the ground after getting here

1230
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: and having such early success early on after they moved

1231
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: back to Los Angeles, and to really build around that

1232
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: that substance. The Rams have a lot of style, and

1233
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: they get style points left, right and sideways, um all

1234
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: through the year for the moves they make and for

1235
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: the things that they can do, and then the passing

1236
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: concepts they have and some of the star defensive players,

1237
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: but winning beating a team that you have, uh, you know,

1238
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: for lack of all other you know, irony and storylines

1239
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: that were possible, this is the most ironic storyline that

1240
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: they could have faced. And this is also the one

1241
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: that I think if they get past this provides them

1242
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: with the most substance, shows the most resilience, and the

1243
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: most substance that they have so um work toward proving

1244
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: um sort of despite a lot of external conversation about

1245
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, what they're not, and I think it does

1246
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: also show this does show what they're not. They had

1247
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: a chance to close. They had a chance to eliminate

1248
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: these guys and they didn't. They allowed them to sort

1249
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: of creep back in, just like they did in the game.

1250
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: And so you know, they want this chance to prove

1251
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: um that that this is who they really are, you know,

1252
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: not the guys who let other people hang around, but

1253
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: the guys who can control their own fate. Um. And

1254
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: I think part of the thing that helps to um,

1255
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, I would think it's a mental technique as well,

1256
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: knowing that you can get out to a lead in

1257
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: front of a team that is has uh, you know,

1258
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: six times in a row just handled you, knowing that

1259
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: you can get out to that lead, and then um

1260
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: figuring out that new part of yourself where you do clothes. Well,

1261
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: that's the thing about the Rams, Like in that first

1262
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: half when they got up seventeen, thing, do they look

1263
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: like the best team in the NFL. They should have

1264
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: been up against the Bucks, the defending champs thirty four

1265
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: to three. At one point that looked like Jaguars Patriots

1266
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: for a while. It was just total domination. And what

1267
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: the forty Niners have done so well over the years

1268
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: I think is overwhelmed them with physicality. You know, they

1269
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: stopped the Rams running game last time around, and once

1270
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: you got into the second half, they started winning the

1271
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 1: pass rush battle. Uh, and they started pushing the Rams

1272
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: around running bus. So to me, I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: feels great, Like that's the ultimate challenge. I'm just wondering, like,

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Speaker 1: as someone that's watched this team and seeing Sean McVeigh

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01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: coach upfront, do you do you think some of this

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: giving up the lead and the lack of killer instinct

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01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Dan talks about, is it goes up to him? Because

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01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm always surprised about is how conservative

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01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: he is by nature, not you know, fourth down decisions,

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01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe running the ball more when when you have the lead,

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: even though the past is working, like in a game

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01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: like Tampa, and then maybe just spinning forward to this

1283
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: one when the running game is not working, Like, do

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: you trust Sean mc way to approach this like we're

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01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: just gonna throw it on him, like we are not

1286
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: going to be content just trying to get to the

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: finish line here, Let's let's blow this team out. Let's

1288
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: be aggressive, because he hasn't he hasn't always been that coach. Yeah,

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01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: I think one of the blocks that he faces and

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: has so often against this team. Is um, you know,

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01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: what do you do when all of the normal things

1292
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: don't work? Um? Do you keep trying those things? Or

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: do you try to push through even if it makes

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable or takes you to a part of yourself

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: that you aren't usually showing in terms of that lack

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: of conservatism that he normally does show and display so often.

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: And that surprised me to come in to cover this team,

1298
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: because you don't look at this team on paper and think, oh, yeah,

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: they almost quite literally never go for it on fourth

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01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: down or any of those things. And and so I

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: think that, um to me, in order to if you

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: if you're faced with a similar situation, and let's face it,

1303
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: the planets are aligning for all of this to be

1304
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: really similar to what we've seen in over the last

1305
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: couple of times, because it seems like that the story

1306
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: is written this way. And and to me, that's you

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01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: have to take the different path at that time. You

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: have to keep being aggressive because um, he was plenty

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01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: aggressive in the first half of that game, and just

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01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, Greg, he sort of you sort

1311
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: of turtle up a little bit and you sort of Um,

1312
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, play to not lose, but I don't think

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: you can do that anymore. I think you have to

1314
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: force yourself out of that box. You have to force

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: yourself out of that comfort zone of what the safest

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01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: decisions are and trust that this is a team that

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: again does operate really well in that crazy space. Uh.

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01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: And I think that that's a really important factor he

1319
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: he's um trying to or should be trying to unlearn

1320
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: and then relearn at this point of the process because

1321
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: the rest of it hasn't worked. It really hasn't, and

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: especially when a team like the forty niners is such

1323
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: a bad matchup for the Rams, in part because they

1324
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: can flood those margins, they can sort of u turn

1325
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: on their heads the spaces in which someone is playing

1326
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: it too safe. Um. And I think that's been one

1327
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: of the biggest difference makers in these two teams, and

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: the way that they're ethos is sort of composed for

1329
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: for that reason, and I think Sean McBay needs to

1330
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: almost like punch his way through that. Yeah, it's gonna

1331
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: be fascinating to see if the Rams, if the game

1332
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: script plays out similarly in Los Angeles has a as

1333
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: a lead. Do you let your veteran quarterback, the one

1334
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: that you met by happenstance in Cabo Incabo, do you

1335
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: let him take you to the super Bowl. I kind

1336
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: of feel like that would be the way to play it.

1337
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: But listen, Sean McBay knows what he's doing. We'll see

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: how he plays it if that presents itself. Jordan's you

1339
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: have you did it. You said it all. We feel

1340
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: more prepared to watch the Rams on Sunday thanks to

1341
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: you and everybody. Make sure we we mean it. You

1342
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: want to read some really great sports writing right now.

1343
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: Read everything from Jordan's over at the Athletic. Thank you

1344
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: so much, and good luck this weekend. Thanks guys. I

1345
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: think my hands are shaking right now. I feel like

1346
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: we could have used more compliments, though you said you're

1347
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: going to keep complimenting. Yeah, well you guys. This is

1348
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: the thing. You guys reverse Sean mcnade me. You don't

1349
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: get now, I'm all thrown off. Do not get don't

1350
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: get conservative in your game right up now on Sunday night,

1351
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: you know you gotta go for it. Stick the landing.

1352
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff, Thank you, Jordan, thank you. Thanks.

1353
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: Jan's all right, there she goes, Yeah, she's great. And

1354
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: isn't it interesting that the Rams and Mark, I know

1355
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: you've had a complicated relationship at times with the Rams

1356
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 1: is a team that maybe gets too much love, but

1357
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: they really are a very interesting team at this moment

1358
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: in time. I don't mind talking about them, uh for

1359
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: extended periods. Well, I think they're right now. I don't

1360
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: have a problem with them being, you know, the bell

1361
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: of the ball, because they've earned it now. It's when

1362
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: they come still covering them once they make it to

1363
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: the championship game that like deserve something. I already, like

1364
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: two months ago, gave up all willpower to desire anything

1365
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: to happen this season, I'm kind of enjoying it because

1366
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: things are getting spicy. Um. I would listen to her

1367
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: podcast to which I checked out today with Rich Hammond,

1368
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,879
Speaker 1: like very good, very good Rams coverage there too, excellent journalist,

1369
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: good guests. And I do think, um that if you

1370
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: had to power rank who she respects most, I think

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01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: it's probably going to be easy for me to detect.

1372
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you later what my findings are. Where am

1373
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: I going? Am I still hard? You say that you

1374
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: respect and love the Rams more? Now after hearing that

1375
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: Stafford goes to these dark places, Oh entirely. I mean

1376
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: it adds a layer of complex intrigue that I didn't

1377
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: really understand about Matthew Stafford before. I mean, I think

1378
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: you're in a dark place if you're in Detroit for

1379
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: a decade plus to begin with. But this is entirely

1380
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: from a different angle. I love that. I love so.

1381
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: I think it was made clear, but just to kind

1382
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: of hit it again after Stafford hit that big completion

1383
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: to set up the game, Yeah, yes, as it will

1384
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: forever be known. Um, after he spikes the ball, he's

1385
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: in another world, like he's in a dark place, and

1386
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: you would think he'd be ecstatic. He not only did

1387
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: he take the hit and make the throw get down

1388
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: the field, spiked the ball and give him something, the

1389
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: team a chance. He was in some other place. I

1390
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: love that. Um, it's just the competitor within and this

1391
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: is kind of like his moment after a dozen years

1392
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: in Detroit, never really getting the shot. I think he's

1393
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: seizing that, and that's something to remember when we decide

1394
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: who's gonna win this game on Sunday, that Stafford might

1395
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: have that I and the Tiger for a lack of

1396
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: a better description, and he and he took the hit

1397
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: from Endomican Sue, his old teammate and the zero blitz

1398
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: that Jared Goff was the guy who could never solve.

1399
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: You have to get rid of Jared Goff. And he

1400
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: does that at all. It all like may Maybe he

1401
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: was just tired from running down the field, but I

1402
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: like that he's sort of blacked out in that moment.

1403
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: All right, now we can all black out if we

1404
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: want because the show's over, So just feel free to

1405
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: do that, but do it safely if that's possible. Um, Connie,

1406
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. You're You're always a bright

1407
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: shining light in our orbit, So thank you. Great to

1408
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: be back. Great you guys check compliments around all over

1409
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: the place. You know, it's it's it's a good thing.

1410
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: It's a good thing to tell people that you respect,

1411
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: that you like being around them, and you're enjoying professionally

1412
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: working with him. That's okay, Mark, I know, but I've

1413
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: not heard anyone say that Um directed towards me. So

1414
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: I like working with you, Mark, I respect you for

1415
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: it's a fruitful relationship. We're coming up on our ten

1416
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: our ten years together here as co workers. It's been

1417
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: totally pure, totally pure years, totally pure. Anyway, check out

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: Connie also on the Split Ends podcast with Ricky Hollywood.

1419
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with a proper preview. Listen.

1420
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: There's only three game is laugh now? We got two

1421
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: on Sunday and then the Big Boy. Well, Mark's all in.

1422
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: The got the Pro Bowl. Yeah, we got the Pro

1423
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: Bowl as well. Absolutely, um but yes, so if you

1424
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: count the Pro Bowl four, but we recognize three on

1425
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: this show. Don't tell Rog, don't tell any shadow. We

1426
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: lead figures. Let's just leave it at that. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening, and remember heat the h M s