WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, April 7 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:11.600 It is Thursday, April seven. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now, 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.240 the problem with this golf game is that he's standing 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.840 too close to the ball after he hits it. Jay 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:23.360 Peace cha one of many issues with it, and welcome in. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.680 It's Jaguars Happy Hour. My name is J. P. Shadrick. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.800 We've got a busy show ahead as usual. Jaguars analysts. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.960 Jeff Lockman joining us. We're about fifteen minutes away from 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.680 Mike Caldwell, Jaguars defensive coordinator, joining us live in studio. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.920 Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.320 A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.640 Big three at the start of free agency and what 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.400 it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.600 the players come in next week for the off season program, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.120 the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.400 chance to finally to sit down with the players. Will 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.279 get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.720 You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.000 of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.520 around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.880 to your lives. You a golfer very rarely and and 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.880 very poorly. Really, Yes, I see that Tiger Woods is 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.720 just about completed his round. He's minus one. Yeah, he 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.280 he just birdied sixteen like twenty five ft pot plays 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.040 went nuts, And uh, that's been the big watch today 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.800 because you don't know, it's the walk really for him. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.720 He said he can hit all the shots still in 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.399 his press conferences earlier this week, and so far it's 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.240 proven out that way. Yeah. That I played golf a 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.640 lot when I was younger. I don't play anymore for 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.280 the most part. And but to watch him and to 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.800 see him what he's doing right now, I mean, wow. Uh, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.320 congratulations to him to be able to fight back from 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.480 the accident that he had, what was it about a 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.559 year ago, fourteen months ago, fourteen months ago, and to 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.960 to see him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.799 That's cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.200 of the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.760 to get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.720 program is next week. There was you know those reports 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.840 about the draft and what the Jags may or may 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.600 not do. There that always is happening, so the draft 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.400 talk will be endless and until it happened, and then 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.280 of course when it happens, then the next draft talk. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.720 But then you got grades and then did they do good? 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.239 You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.560 put a grade on it, you know. But until then, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:44.400 you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.200 and I think this draft is is kind of interesting 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.560 from my standpoint is that you know, I only watched 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.120 the top. Eventually I'll watch the top, you know, fifty 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.080 seventy five guys something like that first couple of rounds 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.880 and uh. On a normal draft here, there's usually a 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.200 out five guys somewhere in that range, could be less, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.120 could be a little bit more that usually are at 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.240 the top of the draft. And you say that that 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:12.000 is the elite part of the draft. And do you 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.920 have that elite five guys in this draft class? I 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.120 don't think you do. And I think that that makes 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.079 the Jaguars to be in a position that may be 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.440 unenviable or not very enviable, because you'd like to be 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.359 somewhere to where you feel like you're in a position 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.600 of strength as far as drafting, where you're in a 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.800 spot that other teams would like to be, and I don't. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.520 I don't. I don't get that feeling from watching some 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.560 of these prospects because you know, people have asked me before, hey, 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.920 who do you think the top five guys are? And 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.360 I can tell you JP, I can take about ten guys, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.800 maybe about fifteen guys, And honestly, on one day, I'll 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.200 pull five guys out of that, out of that bag 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.360 and put them in order, and then ask me again 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.839 to marrow and I may change my mind because there 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.360 are there's a lot of guys that are real close, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.640 really close. So I think it's gonna be really interesting. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.880 And I wish it was a draft class because the 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.600 Jaguars had the first one for all pick. I wish 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:21.200 it had a clear cut number one quarterback because if 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.800 you had that, you would be in the catbird seat 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.480 like nobody's business. But you're not because that quarterback is 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.880 not there. It doesn't exist. Now does it exist for 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.159 the fifth pick, the sixth pick, the seventh pick. That 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.800 maybe where that first quarterback ends up falling too, But 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.320 nobody's fighting to get to number one. No, Because a 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.800 lot of people think, hey, look if I moved to 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.640 five or six. I might be able to get there. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.560 Some people may say they can get that quarterback at seven. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:54.920 You know, this came up on I think the Huddle 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.120 Up podcast yesterday with Bucky would Josh Allen the Jaguars, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.839 Josh Allen, if he was coming out this year in 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.760 this group of prospects, would he be the number one pick? 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.039 Would he be the best player in this draft? He'd 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.039 be in the conversation. I mean literally, I mean I 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.400 think that that's what this draft class is. And that 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.360 was Josh Allen, one of those five elite prospects. I 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.000 think he was right there, right there, and he slipped, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.599 remember like it was slipped a little good him And 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:31.560 don't don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.560 picked the different guy. They picked Cleveland Farrell. And yeah, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.800 but I mean I don't understand why that happened. I mean, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.919 that was that was that Mike Mayock, was that John Gruden? 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.680 I mean, who who knows? But there's absolutely when it happened. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.599 Because I had watched the film on both of the guys, 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.360 Josh and and the whoever the Raiders pick Cleveland Farrell, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.320 and I went, I can't believe they did that. And 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.640 I said that on a broadcast with me and frank 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.120 An Tony and I was like, I can't believe that 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.400 the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell. Are you kidding me? What 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.880 a mistake? And then it pushed Josh Allen down to 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.320 the Jaguars, and I was like, this is a no brainer. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.400 And I guarantee you that if you asked the people 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.520 that were in that room and got the truth that 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.080 they felt that there was no way that Josh Allen 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:25.240 would have been available to them at that spot. But 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:30.560 he was. Would he be discussion, Absolutely, he'd be in 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.839 the discussion at first overall pick just because of his 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.039 his verse at time. He's Aidan Hutchinson. I mean Josh 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.200 Allen when he was at Kentucky, it was an Aidan Hudson. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.160 The only thing I think that that may have may 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.880 may give Aidan Hutchinson a little bit of the lead 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.039 over a Josh Allen if they were in the same 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.960 draft class right now, might be that Aidan Hushings Hutchinson 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:57.800 played at Michigan or plays at Michigan, and Josh was 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.800 at Kentucky. Now not Kentucky is not Eastern Kentucky or 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.560 Western Central Kentucky SEC school, and they had a fantastic 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.760 year that year. They run TV a lot, like the 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.720 National Game a lot. I mean, they were out there. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.720 He was the SEC defensive Player of the year and 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.360 so he had a lot of things going. But but 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.960 I you know, and I get your point that he 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.480 probably wouldn't be it would be in the conversation for 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.400 the first overall pick of the draft. And I think 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:24.040 that that's very interesting conversation. And I will tell you 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.720 this that you know, we're we're gonna talk about some 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.000 of the other prospects because you know, there's a safety 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.960 at Notre Dame. There's um, you know, a defensive outside 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.080 linebacker that hasn't and thinks he should be in the 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.239 conversation with the first overall pick. There's a Greek pass 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.320 rusher who goes to Purdue who I love. Uh. There's 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.240 a lot of prospects that are that are very interesting 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.440 in this draft class. And I think that if you 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.840 were I think your your most value is going to 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.720 be somewhere in the middle of the first round, to 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.560 be honest with you, because I think that you're gonna 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.120 get a really good player in the middle of the 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.480 first round. So I would put it this way, if 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.679 the Jaguars could trade the first overall pick and move 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:10.120 to five overall and then maybe pick up a second 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.160 round pick. I mean I'd do it in a minute. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.480 I would. I would do it in a minute. Get 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.240 more picks, get more picks, and uh, I don't think 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.040 being in the in the top five is that important 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.520 this year. Jaguars Happy Hour on t t X, L 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.920 A M and Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.720 Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.640 thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.360 matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.560 there was one team that invited a former lacrosse player 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.640 to come as a visit. Of course played quarterback at 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.520 Division two last year. Do they have to publish, Yes, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.120 you have to put your list out. Everybody knows who's coming, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.360 so you have to strategize a little bit you might 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.480 not want to put out. That's That's kind of my 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.000 point is that because you're you're publishing that are there 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.920 some or are some of the visits just a simple 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:12.880 smoke screen could be could be I will tell you 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.960 this that I think if any team's waste a visit 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.079 on a smoke screen, then I think they're making a 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.920 major mistake. You've got You've got to because here's the thing, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:31.040 nobody knows how much you truly covet somebody or where 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.320 you covet somebody. You may bring one of those thirty 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.360 in that you like in round three, But does that 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.559 mean that you bring somebody in who you would not 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.360 draft at all to pass up the opportunity to get 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.800 further evaluation of somebody that you would absolutely draft. I 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.480 think that that would be crazy if you would do that. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.520 You can't pass up the opportunity to gather more information 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.560 to simply create a smoke screen, because there are players 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.839 that you want to lie that you like in round 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.400 one and round two and round three and round four. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.760 So bringing guys throughout the draft class that you like, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.640 don't waste those thirty visits on oh well, we just 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.280 want to throw some people off the trail to waste 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.360 the time. When those visits happen, did you do these 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.640 when you were playing? No, they didn't happen. Now that 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.640 when when I was coming out, the combine was the 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.360 combine that's still what it is today. As far as 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.440 the physical testing and the physical evaluation, medical checks, that's 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.840 all unchanged. The part that's a little bit different is 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.080 the interview process. It was very informal at the combine. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.120 You didn't have these structured You get fifteen minutes with 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.280 each team and then a blow horn and then you 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.439 move off to the next station. They didn't do that. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.720 It was very very informal, very informant. Hey, look, would 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.360 you like can you come and talk to uh? At 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.439 the time, it was Marty Shot himers with the Kansas 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.000 City Chiefs, Carl Peterson and Marty Shot Can you can 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.480 you come and talk to them? Sure, I'll come talk them. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.079 And sat down and talked with those two guys and 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.040 talked with some different personnel guys and different coaches and such. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:11.600 But and then after the the Combine, there was no 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.000 We didn't have a pro day at University of Virginia. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.920 We just look, I was open for business. Come to 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.800 the football office. They'll call me and say, hey, look, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.040 Dave w instead of the Dallas Cowboys is gonna be 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.880 here on Tuesday. Can you work out before him? Sure? Yeah, 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.320 no problem. So I worked out for Dave Wanstad worked 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.600 out for different coaches, you know, from different other days. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.520 They'd call you and come on down. Yeah, So I 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.160 mean it wasn't like one day. I mean I think 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.120 I worked out about ten times for ten different people 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:41.080 and probably about five different teams. Pittsburgh Steelers, the New 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.839 York Jets, the Dallas Cowboys, uh were among quite a 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.040 few of them. But it was. It's just it's just 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.520 so more refined now and more planned now than it 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.560 ever has been. But the the purpose of it all 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.199 hasn't changed, though, which is that they're trying to gather 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.720 as much information as again. But we did not never 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.480 try appl JP to answer the original question, never traveled 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.720 to another team's facility to have a conversation. That didn't happen. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.319 I don't. I don't even think it was allowed when 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.560 at that time, when did that really become a thing 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.200 ten years ago, fifteen years I think so something like that, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.280 because I mean just that that wasn't that wasn't allowed 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.040 as far as I knew. So, I mean, they could 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.240 come to you, but they could not or wouldn't didn't 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.600 fly you into their place to talk to you in personnel, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.920 which just didn't happen by the way at the airport, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.840 because I guess a lot of these reports that some 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.000 of these prospects were in town Monday, and I'm sure 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.040 more were in there's different days, I mean the different organs. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.800 I think in the past year they did like everybody 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.560 in two big days, but maybe they're spreading out some 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.880 according to reports now and different different approaches. And I 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.920 heard that Aidan Hutchinson uh Kuanu, the tackle from n 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.000 C State, was in town. I can tell he was 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.880 in town for sure. I saw him at the airport. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:05.120 Big big, I mean I'm talking big dude. I mean 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.040 when I say big, the arguably one of the biggest 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.960 chest upper bodies that you would ever see on a 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:21.559 human being. Obviously like barrel chested. Barrel chested. He's a 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.080 big guy now because when you watch the film on him, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.280 when he when he finishes guys, he has the ability 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.240 to what I call throw guys out of the bar 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.760 and just by pushing, by pressing guys with his upper body. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.480 And when I got the chance to see him in person, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.400 I was coming in on the airport or through the 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.760 airport on on Monday and happen to see him going 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.079 out in the afternoon. I was like, that's a big dude, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.120 and you know, some mighty ask how do you know 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.560 it was him? Well, you probably know it's him. I 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:58.760 mean he's that bigger, but he's six ft five and 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.559 three year Yeah. I mean when it kind of sticks 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:06.959 out in the airport, it's kind of hard. It's kind 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.719 of hard to miss miss a guy when he is 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.920 that big. I can tell you that he's he's a 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.760 monster guy. I mean he's big, big, big, big big. Now, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.000 Nadan Hutchinson, you know, he might be able to squeeze 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.680 by without you know, noticing, but you know a guy 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:26.880 that's three twenty is, you know, three and has has 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.680 got that barrel chest. It's kind of hard not to 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.120 notice that. Because my first thing was like that dude's 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.440 big right there, but not a bit that he lifts weights. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.840 And I look closer and said, that's itky man, that's 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.280 itkey cool. Let's go back in a moment. We're out 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.120 to Mike called well defensive coordinator. He'll be joining us 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.520 at some point very soon here on the program. Here 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.160 the tag Wars happy hour, and there's no better time 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.640 to become at Daily's place Blue member than right now 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.560 get access to the best seats at Ameniti's premium parking 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.600 and more for all shows during this year's shaving up 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.320 to be one the best yet. Dave Matthews Band two nights, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.120 Keith Urban two nights, and so much more. Email ticketing 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.400 at Bold events dot com or call nine oh four 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.560 six three three two thousand. We're off and running. It's 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:26.880 Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Yeah. Mike 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.040 and I go way back, uh, you know as as 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.880 as players together. Um, I've always had a lot of 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.400 respect for him. You know, we worked together on coach 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:39.360 Reid staff, you know in Philadelphia. Um, you know, I 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.800 also worked with Todd Bowles. And so when when Todd, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.080 when Todd left, you know, he always you took Mike 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.240 with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:52.880 of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay. Um, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.040 and and always felt like Mike, Mike would make a 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.640 really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just given 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.640 an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.960 was a coordinator, somebody had to give me an opportunity 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.920 right then. Um, he and I gotta have a great relationship, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.760 and uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.680 watch him work called defenses and uh, you know, going 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.040 to work this year. That's head coach Doug Peterson last 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.520 week at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach discussing 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.880 Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well, long time player in 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.880 the NFL, long time coach in the NFL, J P Shadrick, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.680 Jeff Loghuman, it's Jaguars happy hour, and speaking of here's 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.080 Mike Caldwell in studio with us. It's great to see you. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.160 Thanks for the time today, coach all, thanks for having 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.320 me so here we are. You heard Doug Peterson there 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.640 last week. You've known this guy for a long time, 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.720 played together in the league kinda and now finally get 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.240 to be on a staff with him again. You were 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.320 with him in Philadelphia. How has it been the first 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.080 few months settling in as a coaching staff here together? 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.760 Been been great? Really, a lot of work that's going 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.520 in everyone's I did, trying to get in, get the 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.080 scheme going, get the lay of the land, and just 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.000 uh excited, ready to go, ready to get the players 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.040 in here. How many how many guys on the defensive 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.840 staff did you have a relationship with prior to be 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.400 a name the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone except uh 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.080 coach Gilbert and coach Sutton. Everyone else, UH knew those 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:30.640 guys from, whether it's from Arizona or Philadelphia or even 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.240 Tampa Bay, sou the staff is it really came together 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.560 pretty pretty good, and you know we're in there. We're 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.199 grinding it out and just ready to go. Now what 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.040 is it? I think next week the players are allowed 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.040 to be and you guys aren't allowed to put your 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.119 hands on them just yet. But how nice will that be? 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.280 Because when you coach, you gotta have players, And so 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.199 now the players will finally be coming in here in 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.760 about a week or so. Yeah, it's a off season strange. 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.480 You can meet the guys, but you're unable to coach 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.120 the guys. And I consider coaches teachers, so it's hard 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.639 to be a teacher when you have no one to teach. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.120 So we're teaching and bouncing things off each other now 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.679 and I'm real excited ready to get the players then 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.639 here so we can let them have it and understand 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.040 and see what they grasp and what they don't then 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.119 get it to them another way. Yeah, that's the thing 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.680 I might call it. Well, that's the Jaguars defensive coordinator 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.480 here on Jaguars Happy Hour. You can have a defensive 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.760 scheme in mind, a plan, put some things in, but 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.520 then if the players and the personnel have a different 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.840 way of doing it or can't you know, or have 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.960 different things, you have to adjust on the fly. That's 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.679 what this offseason is about. Figuring out what your players 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.239 do best right exactly. That's where the camps come in. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:44.840 As soon as we can get there and get them 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.520 out able to run around and go against the offense. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.639 Now we can actually see what guys can do. And 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.320 I'm a big believer of if you can do it well, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.439 let them do that. Don't ask them do something they 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:56.920 don't do well. So I would need to find out 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.560 what everyone can do well and will scheme it around 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.920 their ability. So with a part of this process, when 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.200 you have a new staff and and first time defensive coordinator, 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.640 everybody's got to learn to speak the same language. Okay, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.359 everybody needs to know the pirate or a spike or 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.399 a ram or all these different terminologies. Are are you 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.000 starting to get to that point where everybody is starting 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.760 to speak the same language we're trying to. There's uh 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.600 pat Riley. He's a holdover from the last half brilliant guy, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.720 and he's really our quality control, so he handles most 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.919 of the playbook stuff, so we're actually putting it on 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.199 him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language. You 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.720 might call the halfback of R and everyone else calls 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.000 it an eight. So that's the type of stuff that 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.840 we're working through right now, and it's going great. The 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.480 guys are there really receptive of learning new things because 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.080 it's like you said, with terminology, it's gonna be different. 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:53.600 You're not gonna call it to what you've called it 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.080 for the last four or five years, so you're gonna 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.520 have to understand it and learn it and be able 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.320 to teach it once the players get here. Yeah, I'm 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.400 sure that there will be mistakes made you you make 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:04.879 a call or you use a term that may have 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.040 been from a previous stop, and that's just part of 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.240 the growing process. But one of the parts of the 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.480 process that I'm excited about was I had the opportunity 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.960 to watch the film of the guys that you acquired 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.600 in free agency and want to start with the Lucan 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.640 the linebacker from the Atlanta Falcons, and I know that 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.639 that's a position that you hold near and dear to 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.800 your heart. And when I turned the film on watching him, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:32.879 what I loved about him downhill linebacker, that's decisive, and 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.480 he's got a great motor, but he's got the conditioning 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.040 to support that motor. That's the thing. Uh. Being a 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.719 former linebacker, you look for guys to have certain traits, 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.359 and he has the traits of he's gonna be a 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.000 leader out there, not because he's standing in front of 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.399 the huddle, but because he's out there and he's working 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.280 hard and he's leading guys and he's doing it by example. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.480 He's a guy just like you said, it's gonna play downhill, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.400 gonna be physical and intelligent player, went to Yale, so 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:00.920 you know we're ready to our hands on him and 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.600 give him as much as he can handle. Fully fought 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.800 Acasi on the defensive line. Another guy, another late round 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.240 draft pick, just like Luikan was and has really had 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.040 to really earn everything he's had in the NFL. Nothing 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.040 given to those guys when they're a late round draft 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.639 pick like that, and from Fokasi's standpoint. I mean, he 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.680 didn't play much his rookie season and then all of 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.000 a sudden he's a defensive captain in New York. What 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.639 is the best part of his game on that defensive line? 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.280 When when you look at him and when we draft 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.040 I drafted him, did Yeah. I was on the coaching 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.639 staff that drafted him. And the thing about it was 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.800 he was raw when he came out. Now you can 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:42.160 see the the talent start the bubble and come out. 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:46.159 He's explosive. He has really strong hands, and he's a 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:49.280 force in the middle, and that's someone that you're looking 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.159