Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seven. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now,
Speaker 1: the problem with this golf game is that he's standing
Speaker 1: too close to the ball after he hits it. Jay
Speaker 1: Peace cha one of many issues with it, and welcome in.
Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour. My name is J. P. Shadrick.
Speaker 1: We've got a busy show ahead as usual. Jaguars analysts.
Speaker 1: Jeff Lockman joining us. We're about fifteen minutes away from
Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell, Jaguars defensive coordinator, joining us live in studio.
Speaker 1: Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class.
Speaker 1: A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the
Speaker 1: Big three at the start of free agency and what
Speaker 1: it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And
Speaker 1: the players come in next week for the off season program,
Speaker 1: the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a
Speaker 1: chance to finally to sit down with the players. Will
Speaker 1: get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway.
Speaker 1: You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and
Speaker 1: of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news
Speaker 1: around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon
Speaker 1: to your lives. You a golfer very rarely and and
Speaker 1: very poorly. Really, Yes, I see that Tiger Woods is
Speaker 1: just about completed his round. He's minus one. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: he just birdied sixteen like twenty five ft pot plays
Speaker 1: went nuts, And uh, that's been the big watch today
Speaker 1: because you don't know, it's the walk really for him.
Speaker 1: He said he can hit all the shots still in
Speaker 1: his press conferences earlier this week, and so far it's
Speaker 1: proven out that way. Yeah. That I played golf a
Speaker 1: lot when I was younger. I don't play anymore for
Speaker 1: the most part. And but to watch him and to
Speaker 1: see him what he's doing right now, I mean, wow. Uh,
Speaker 1: congratulations to him to be able to fight back from
Speaker 1: the accident that he had, what was it about a
Speaker 1: year ago, fourteen months ago, fourteen months ago, and to
Speaker 1: to see him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him.
Speaker 1: That's cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest
Speaker 1: of the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about
Speaker 1: to get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season
Speaker 1: program is next week. There was you know those reports
Speaker 1: about the draft and what the Jags may or may
Speaker 1: not do. There that always is happening, so the draft
Speaker 1: talk will be endless and until it happened, and then
Speaker 1: of course when it happens, then the next draft talk.
Speaker 1: But then you got grades and then did they do good?
Speaker 1: You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to
Speaker 1: put a grade on it, you know. But until then,
Speaker 1: you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I think this draft is is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: from my standpoint is that you know, I only watched
Speaker 1: the top. Eventually I'll watch the top, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: seventy five guys something like that first couple of rounds
Speaker 1: and uh. On a normal draft here, there's usually a
Speaker 1: out five guys somewhere in that range, could be less,
Speaker 1: could be a little bit more that usually are at
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. And you say that that
Speaker 1: is the elite part of the draft. And do you
Speaker 1: have that elite five guys in this draft class? I
Speaker 1: don't think you do. And I think that that makes
Speaker 1: the Jaguars to be in a position that may be
Speaker 1: unenviable or not very enviable, because you'd like to be
Speaker 1: somewhere to where you feel like you're in a position
Speaker 1: of strength as far as drafting, where you're in a
Speaker 1: spot that other teams would like to be, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that feeling from watching some
Speaker 1: of these prospects because you know, people have asked me before, hey,
Speaker 1: who do you think the top five guys are? And
Speaker 1: I can tell you JP, I can take about ten guys,
Speaker 1: maybe about fifteen guys, And honestly, on one day, I'll
Speaker 1: pull five guys out of that, out of that bag
Speaker 1: and put them in order, and then ask me again
Speaker 1: to marrow and I may change my mind because there
Speaker 1: are there's a lot of guys that are real close,
Speaker 1: really close. So I think it's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1: And I wish it was a draft class because the
Speaker 1: Jaguars had the first one for all pick. I wish
Speaker 1: it had a clear cut number one quarterback because if
Speaker 1: you had that, you would be in the catbird seat
Speaker 1: like nobody's business. But you're not because that quarterback is
Speaker 1: not there. It doesn't exist. Now does it exist for
Speaker 1: the fifth pick, the sixth pick, the seventh pick. That
Speaker 1: maybe where that first quarterback ends up falling too, But
Speaker 1: nobody's fighting to get to number one. No, Because a
Speaker 1: lot of people think, hey, look if I moved to
Speaker 1: five or six. I might be able to get there.
Speaker 1: Some people may say they can get that quarterback at seven.
Speaker 1: You know, this came up on I think the Huddle
Speaker 1: Up podcast yesterday with Bucky would Josh Allen the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, if he was coming out this year in
Speaker 1: this group of prospects, would he be the number one pick?
Speaker 1: Would he be the best player in this draft? He'd
Speaker 1: be in the conversation. I mean literally, I mean I
Speaker 1: think that that's what this draft class is. And that
Speaker 1: was Josh Allen, one of those five elite prospects. I
Speaker 1: think he was right there, right there, and he slipped,
Speaker 1: remember like it was slipped a little good him And
Speaker 1: don't don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders
Speaker 1: picked the different guy. They picked Cleveland Farrell. And yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I don't understand why that happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was that was that Mike Mayock, was that John Gruden?
Speaker 1: I mean, who who knows? But there's absolutely when it happened.
Speaker 1: Because I had watched the film on both of the guys,
Speaker 1: Josh and and the whoever the Raiders pick Cleveland Farrell,
Speaker 1: and I went, I can't believe they did that. And
Speaker 1: I said that on a broadcast with me and frank
Speaker 1: An Tony and I was like, I can't believe that
Speaker 1: the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell. Are you kidding me? What
Speaker 1: a mistake? And then it pushed Josh Allen down to
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and I was like, this is a no brainer.
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that if you asked the people
Speaker 1: that were in that room and got the truth that
Speaker 1: they felt that there was no way that Josh Allen
Speaker 1: would have been available to them at that spot. But
Speaker 1: he was. Would he be discussion, Absolutely, he'd be in
Speaker 1: the discussion at first overall pick just because of his
Speaker 1: his verse at time. He's Aidan Hutchinson. I mean Josh
Speaker 1: Allen when he was at Kentucky, it was an Aidan Hudson.
Speaker 1: The only thing I think that that may have may
Speaker 1: may give Aidan Hutchinson a little bit of the lead
Speaker 1: over a Josh Allen if they were in the same
Speaker 1: draft class right now, might be that Aidan Hushings Hutchinson
Speaker 1: played at Michigan or plays at Michigan, and Josh was
Speaker 1: at Kentucky. Now not Kentucky is not Eastern Kentucky or
Speaker 1: Western Central Kentucky SEC school, and they had a fantastic
Speaker 1: year that year. They run TV a lot, like the
Speaker 1: National Game a lot. I mean, they were out there.
Speaker 1: He was the SEC defensive Player of the year and
Speaker 1: so he had a lot of things going. But but
Speaker 1: I you know, and I get your point that he
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be it would be in the conversation for
Speaker 1: the first overall pick of the draft. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's very interesting conversation. And I will tell you
Speaker 1: this that you know, we're we're gonna talk about some
Speaker 1: of the other prospects because you know, there's a safety
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. There's um, you know, a defensive outside
Speaker 1: linebacker that hasn't and thinks he should be in the
Speaker 1: conversation with the first overall pick. There's a Greek pass
Speaker 1: rusher who goes to Purdue who I love. Uh. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of prospects that are that are very interesting
Speaker 1: in this draft class. And I think that if you
Speaker 1: were I think your your most value is going to
Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle of the first round, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because I think that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a really good player in the middle of the
Speaker 1: first round. So I would put it this way, if
Speaker 1: the Jaguars could trade the first overall pick and move
Speaker 1: to five overall and then maybe pick up a second
Speaker 1: round pick. I mean I'd do it in a minute.
Speaker 1: I would. I would do it in a minute. Get
Speaker 1: more picks, get more picks, and uh, I don't think
Speaker 1: being in the in the top five is that important
Speaker 1: this year. Jaguars Happy Hour on t t X, L
Speaker 1: A M and Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with
Speaker 1: Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets
Speaker 1: thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact,
Speaker 1: there was one team that invited a former lacrosse player
Speaker 1: to come as a visit. Of course played quarterback at
Speaker 1: Division two last year. Do they have to publish, Yes,
Speaker 1: you have to put your list out. Everybody knows who's coming,
Speaker 1: so you have to strategize a little bit you might
Speaker 1: not want to put out. That's That's kind of my
Speaker 1: point is that because you're you're publishing that are there
Speaker 1: some or are some of the visits just a simple
Speaker 1: smoke screen could be could be I will tell you
Speaker 1: this that I think if any team's waste a visit
Speaker 1: on a smoke screen, then I think they're making a
Speaker 1: major mistake. You've got You've got to because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: nobody knows how much you truly covet somebody or where
Speaker 1: you covet somebody. You may bring one of those thirty
Speaker 1: in that you like in round three, But does that
Speaker 1: mean that you bring somebody in who you would not
Speaker 1: draft at all to pass up the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: further evaluation of somebody that you would absolutely draft. I
Speaker 1: think that that would be crazy if you would do that.
Speaker 1: You can't pass up the opportunity to gather more information
Speaker 1: to simply create a smoke screen, because there are players
Speaker 1: that you want to lie that you like in round
Speaker 1: one and round two and round three and round four.
Speaker 1: So bringing guys throughout the draft class that you like,
Speaker 1: don't waste those thirty visits on oh well, we just
Speaker 1: want to throw some people off the trail to waste
Speaker 1: the time. When those visits happen, did you do these
Speaker 1: when you were playing? No, they didn't happen. Now that
Speaker 1: when when I was coming out, the combine was the
Speaker 1: combine that's still what it is today. As far as
Speaker 1: the physical testing and the physical evaluation, medical checks, that's
Speaker 1: all unchanged. The part that's a little bit different is
Speaker 1: the interview process. It was very informal at the combine.
Speaker 1: You didn't have these structured You get fifteen minutes with
Speaker 1: each team and then a blow horn and then you
Speaker 1: move off to the next station. They didn't do that.
Speaker 1: It was very very informal, very informant. Hey, look, would
Speaker 1: you like can you come and talk to uh? At
Speaker 1: the time, it was Marty Shot himers with the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Carl Peterson and Marty Shot Can you can
Speaker 1: you come and talk to them? Sure, I'll come talk them.
Speaker 1: And sat down and talked with those two guys and
Speaker 1: talked with some different personnel guys and different coaches and such.
Speaker 1: But and then after the the Combine, there was no
Speaker 1: We didn't have a pro day at University of Virginia.
Speaker 1: We just look, I was open for business. Come to
Speaker 1: the football office. They'll call me and say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: Dave w instead of the Dallas Cowboys is gonna be
Speaker 1: here on Tuesday. Can you work out before him? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no problem. So I worked out for Dave Wanstad worked
Speaker 1: out for different coaches, you know, from different other days.
Speaker 1: They'd call you and come on down. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: mean it wasn't like one day. I mean I think
Speaker 1: I worked out about ten times for ten different people
Speaker 1: and probably about five different teams. Pittsburgh Steelers, the New
Speaker 1: York Jets, the Dallas Cowboys, uh were among quite a
Speaker 1: few of them. But it was. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: so more refined now and more planned now than it
Speaker 1: ever has been. But the the purpose of it all
Speaker 1: hasn't changed, though, which is that they're trying to gather
Speaker 1: as much information as again. But we did not never
Speaker 1: try appl JP to answer the original question, never traveled
Speaker 1: to another team's facility to have a conversation. That didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even think it was allowed when
Speaker 1: at that time, when did that really become a thing
Speaker 1: ten years ago, fifteen years I think so something like that,
Speaker 1: because I mean just that that wasn't that wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: as far as I knew. So, I mean, they could
Speaker 1: come to you, but they could not or wouldn't didn't
Speaker 1: fly you into their place to talk to you in personnel,
Speaker 1: which just didn't happen by the way at the airport,
Speaker 1: because I guess a lot of these reports that some
Speaker 1: of these prospects were in town Monday, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: more were in there's different days, I mean the different organs.
Speaker 1: I think in the past year they did like everybody
Speaker 1: in two big days, but maybe they're spreading out some
Speaker 1: according to reports now and different different approaches. And I
Speaker 1: heard that Aidan Hutchinson uh Kuanu, the tackle from n
Speaker 1: C State, was in town. I can tell he was
Speaker 1: in town for sure. I saw him at the airport.
Speaker 1: Big big, I mean I'm talking big dude. I mean
Speaker 1: when I say big, the arguably one of the biggest
Speaker 1: chest upper bodies that you would ever see on a
Speaker 1: human being. Obviously like barrel chested. Barrel chested. He's a
Speaker 1: big guy now because when you watch the film on him,
Speaker 1: when he when he finishes guys, he has the ability
Speaker 1: to what I call throw guys out of the bar
Speaker 1: and just by pushing, by pressing guys with his upper body.
Speaker 1: And when I got the chance to see him in person,
Speaker 1: I was coming in on the airport or through the
Speaker 1: airport on on Monday and happen to see him going
Speaker 1: out in the afternoon. I was like, that's a big dude,
Speaker 1: and you know, some mighty ask how do you know
Speaker 1: it was him? Well, you probably know it's him. I
Speaker 1: mean he's that bigger, but he's six ft five and
Speaker 1: three year Yeah. I mean when it kind of sticks
Speaker 1: out in the airport, it's kind of hard. It's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to miss miss a guy when he is
Speaker 1: that big. I can tell you that he's he's a
Speaker 1: monster guy. I mean he's big, big, big, big big. Now,
Speaker 1: Nadan Hutchinson, you know, he might be able to squeeze
Speaker 1: by without you know, noticing, but you know a guy
Speaker 1: that's three twenty is, you know, three and has has
Speaker 1: got that barrel chest. It's kind of hard not to
Speaker 1: notice that. Because my first thing was like that dude's
Speaker 1: big right there, but not a bit that he lifts weights.
Speaker 1: And I look closer and said, that's itky man, that's
Speaker 1: itkey cool. Let's go back in a moment. We're out
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Yeah. Mike
Speaker 1: and I go way back, uh, you know as as
Speaker 1: as players together. Um, I've always had a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for him. You know, we worked together on coach
Speaker 1: Reid staff, you know in Philadelphia. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: also worked with Todd Bowles. And so when when Todd,
Speaker 1: when Todd left, you know, he always you took Mike
Speaker 1: with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind
Speaker 1: of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay. Um,
Speaker 1: and and always felt like Mike, Mike would make a
Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just given
Speaker 1: an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I
Speaker 1: was a coordinator, somebody had to give me an opportunity
Speaker 1: right then. Um, he and I gotta have a great relationship,
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to
Speaker 1: watch him work called defenses and uh, you know, going
Speaker 1: to work this year. That's head coach Doug Peterson last
Speaker 1: week at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach discussing
Speaker 1: Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well, long time player in
Speaker 1: the NFL, long time coach in the NFL, J P Shadrick,
Speaker 1: Jeff Loghuman, it's Jaguars happy hour, and speaking of here's
Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell in studio with us. It's great to see you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time today, coach all, thanks for having
Speaker 1: me so here we are. You heard Doug Peterson there
Speaker 1: last week. You've known this guy for a long time,
Speaker 1: played together in the league kinda and now finally get
Speaker 1: to be on a staff with him again. You were
Speaker 1: with him in Philadelphia. How has it been the first
Speaker 1: few months settling in as a coaching staff here together?
Speaker 1: Been been great? Really, a lot of work that's going
Speaker 1: in everyone's I did, trying to get in, get the
Speaker 1: scheme going, get the lay of the land, and just
Speaker 1: uh excited, ready to go, ready to get the players
Speaker 1: in here. How many how many guys on the defensive
Speaker 1: staff did you have a relationship with prior to be
Speaker 1: a name the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone except uh
Speaker 1: coach Gilbert and coach Sutton. Everyone else, UH knew those
Speaker 1: guys from, whether it's from Arizona or Philadelphia or even
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, sou the staff is it really came together
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good, and you know we're in there. We're
Speaker 1: grinding it out and just ready to go. Now what
Speaker 1: is it? I think next week the players are allowed
Speaker 1: to be and you guys aren't allowed to put your
Speaker 1: hands on them just yet. But how nice will that be?
Speaker 1: Because when you coach, you gotta have players, And so
Speaker 1: now the players will finally be coming in here in
Speaker 1: about a week or so. Yeah, it's a off season strange.
Speaker 1: You can meet the guys, but you're unable to coach
Speaker 1: the guys. And I consider coaches teachers, so it's hard
Speaker 1: to be a teacher when you have no one to teach.
Speaker 1: So we're teaching and bouncing things off each other now
Speaker 1: and I'm real excited ready to get the players then
Speaker 1: here so we can let them have it and understand
Speaker 1: and see what they grasp and what they don't then
Speaker 1: get it to them another way. Yeah, that's the thing
Speaker 1: I might call it. Well, that's the Jaguars defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: here on Jaguars Happy Hour. You can have a defensive
Speaker 1: scheme in mind, a plan, put some things in, but
Speaker 1: then if the players and the personnel have a different
Speaker 1: way of doing it or can't you know, or have
Speaker 1: different things, you have to adjust on the fly. That's
Speaker 1: what this offseason is about. Figuring out what your players
Speaker 1: do best right exactly. That's where the camps come in.
Speaker 1: As soon as we can get there and get them
Speaker 1: out able to run around and go against the offense.
Speaker 1: Now we can actually see what guys can do. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer of if you can do it well,
Speaker 1: let them do that. Don't ask them do something they
Speaker 1: don't do well. So I would need to find out
Speaker 1: what everyone can do well and will scheme it around
Speaker 1: their ability. So with a part of this process, when
Speaker 1: you have a new staff and and first time defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: everybody's got to learn to speak the same language. Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody needs to know the pirate or a spike or
Speaker 1: a ram or all these different terminologies. Are are you
Speaker 1: starting to get to that point where everybody is starting
Speaker 1: to speak the same language we're trying to. There's uh
Speaker 1: pat Riley. He's a holdover from the last half brilliant guy,
Speaker 1: and he's really our quality control, so he handles most
Speaker 1: of the playbook stuff, so we're actually putting it on
Speaker 1: him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language. You
Speaker 1: might call the halfback of R and everyone else calls
Speaker 1: it an eight. So that's the type of stuff that
Speaker 1: we're working through right now, and it's going great. The
Speaker 1: guys are there really receptive of learning new things because
Speaker 1: it's like you said, with terminology, it's gonna be different.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna call it to what you've called it
Speaker 1: for the last four or five years, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to understand it and learn it and be able
Speaker 1: to teach it once the players get here. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there will be mistakes made you you make
Speaker 1: a call or you use a term that may have
Speaker 1: been from a previous stop, and that's just part of
Speaker 1: the growing process. But one of the parts of the
Speaker 1: process that I'm excited about was I had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to watch the film of the guys that you acquired
Speaker 1: in free agency and want to start with the Lucan
Speaker 1: the linebacker from the Atlanta Falcons, and I know that
Speaker 1: that's a position that you hold near and dear to
Speaker 1: your heart. And when I turned the film on watching him,
Speaker 1: what I loved about him downhill linebacker, that's decisive, and
Speaker 1: he's got a great motor, but he's got the conditioning
Speaker 1: to support that motor. That's the thing. Uh. Being a
Speaker 1: former linebacker, you look for guys to have certain traits,
Speaker 1: and he has the traits of he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: leader out there, not because he's standing in front of
Speaker 1: the huddle, but because he's out there and he's working
Speaker 1: hard and he's leading guys and he's doing it by example.
Speaker 1: He's a guy just like you said, it's gonna play downhill,
Speaker 1: gonna be physical and intelligent player, went to Yale, so
Speaker 1: you know we're ready to our hands on him and
Speaker 1: give him as much as he can handle. Fully fought
Speaker 1: Acasi on the defensive line. Another guy, another late round
Speaker 1: draft pick, just like Luikan was and has really had
Speaker 1: to really earn everything he's had in the NFL. Nothing
Speaker 1: given to those guys when they're a late round draft
Speaker 1: pick like that, and from Fokasi's standpoint. I mean, he
Speaker 1: didn't play much his rookie season and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he's a defensive captain in New York. What
Speaker 1: is the best part of his game on that defensive line?
Speaker 1: When when you look at him and when we draft
Speaker 1: I drafted him, did Yeah. I was on the coaching
Speaker 1: staff that drafted him. And the thing about it was
Speaker 1: he was raw when he came out. Now you can
Speaker 1: see the the talent start the bubble and come out.
Speaker 1: He's explosive. He has really strong hands, and he's a
Speaker 1: force in the middle, and that's someone that you're looking
Speaker 1: forward to, you know, help stop the run, plug up
Speaker 1: the middle, and be a physical presence in the middle
Speaker 1: for offenses have to handle. When did you see that
Speaker 1: flip for him, like after a year halfway through his
Speaker 1: rookie season, when did you actually see some develop some
Speaker 1: change for him? When I actually saw it with when
Speaker 1: I turned on the film, is uh, look at like
Speaker 1: that's the same kid. Yeah, he's different now and watching
Speaker 1: him one of the things I think that's very rare.
Speaker 1: It's not very often that you have a one technique
Speaker 1: defensive tackle because he plays the one he plays the three,
Speaker 1: but that one of those guys is elected a team captain.
Speaker 1: Most of the captains are guys that make big plays,
Speaker 1: that make a lot of sacks and make a lot
Speaker 1: of interceptions, that make a lot of tackles. It's not
Speaker 1: very often that a noose tackles elected a captain. And
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes because that's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I think has been a theme with your alls.
Speaker 1: With the free agent process that you guys executed, You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of captives. How important was that to
Speaker 1: your to your football team? I think it it's really important.
Speaker 1: It just goes to the type of player he is
Speaker 1: and the type of person he is. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna be respected, and you get respected by doing
Speaker 1: your job well and doing it and pulling others along.
Speaker 1: And that's what leaders do. And he's uh with a
Speaker 1: captain there, and we're looking for that same leadership to
Speaker 1: come here and infuse with the other guys that we
Speaker 1: have in a defensive line room. All right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: Darius Williams another guy that you were able to get
Speaker 1: in free agency, A local guy, Okay, coming home. How
Speaker 1: excited was he to have the opportunity to come home
Speaker 1: and to come here and play for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Well,
Speaker 1: it's always exciting to come home and play in the
Speaker 1: stadium that you grew up watching the team play in
Speaker 1: or you're watching him on TV. But he actually gets
Speaker 1: to come home and play here for be a part
Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville team. So that's the most important thing
Speaker 1: for him. He was excited. His family is excited and
Speaker 1: to be able to go out and play in front
Speaker 1: of your kids. You grew up with your family that
Speaker 1: you've seen and they can get to the game easily.
Speaker 1: So that's exciting for him and we're excited to have him.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that brings a lot of energy when
Speaker 1: it can go out there and make plays for us
Speaker 1: and need to boys, so it uh. It helps a
Speaker 1: lot the way it played out in Los Angeles, especially
Speaker 1: last year for him. You got Ramsey and those guys
Speaker 1: on one side. He was getting a lot of action
Speaker 1: over there, so you know, and he stepped up to
Speaker 1: the plate and made some big place for the Rams
Speaker 1: last year. That's key. Once you're put to the forefront
Speaker 1: and it's your time again. They have a all star
Speaker 1: corner on the other side and they think they're gonna
Speaker 1: pick on you on the other side, and you come
Speaker 1: there and you stand up and you get to stop.
Speaker 1: You know. That's just something we're looking for down here
Speaker 1: that he can come in and help develop with the
Speaker 1: other corners were having to back in and trying to
Speaker 1: keep him making plays the way he did last year.
Speaker 1: It's a good room now, by the way, that cornerback room,
Speaker 1: it really has a veterans back there and also a
Speaker 1: little bit of youth. So it's gonna mix together. When
Speaker 1: Darius says Duvall, it's got a little extra meting, a
Speaker 1: little extra meeting. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So part of
Speaker 1: the process of improving your football team. It's coming up
Speaker 1: here pretty soon, the dry draft. So who you gonna
Speaker 1: draft with? Who do you? Who do you? Who does
Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell like Right now, I'm in the lab along
Speaker 1: with Trent, with Doug the defense staff. We're in there
Speaker 1: trying to understand who would be the best fit for us,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go out there and get the best player,
Speaker 1: and whoever that may be, we'll be excited for him
Speaker 1: and he'll be a dag and we'll go out there
Speaker 1: and we're gonna expect big things from him, let's go.
Speaker 1: It's a balance. It's a challenge. Right now you're balancing
Speaker 1: building a scheme on defense and then all the free
Speaker 1: agency stuff. It's all it never really ends, but the
Speaker 1: big first couple of waves are done now and then
Speaker 1: the draft. All that's working at the same time. How
Speaker 1: challenging is that for the coaching staff to have to
Speaker 1: balance all of that at one time? It is It's
Speaker 1: like a big puzzle. You get different pieces, and you
Speaker 1: might get this piece or you might have that piece
Speaker 1: and just trying to put it together. So once you
Speaker 1: get it together, we all can be on the same
Speaker 1: paget ready to go out there and have success. One
Speaker 1: of the things that's different, I don't know what what
Speaker 1: your jew come out in the draft three Okay, you
Speaker 1: came out ninety three. I was eighty nine, and you
Speaker 1: guys are I guess still in the process where these
Speaker 1: prospects come and visit you. I get I think thirty
Speaker 1: guys can come in. Did you do that? Was that?
Speaker 1: Even when I came out, we didn't have that. The
Speaker 1: when I came out, the best thing we that I
Speaker 1: received was a workout and then after workout, the coach
Speaker 1: brought me. Uh. I think we went to McDonald's so
Speaker 1: I got got got a free meal after going through
Speaker 1: a couple of workouts. So that was that's all you wanted,
Speaker 1: just a chance, the opportunity. And I think when the
Speaker 1: guys come here, we just wanna get comfortable, get him
Speaker 1: in a different setting, show them what we're here to offer.
Speaker 1: You got them coming down to Florida, which is beautiful,
Speaker 1: so you know that's a big plus for us. How
Speaker 1: much do you learn You got to get a prospect
Speaker 1: to come in and spend some time with you like that,
Speaker 1: how much can you learn to do you get a
Speaker 1: little better feel for the individual and the personality and
Speaker 1: does it fit in that short amount of time or
Speaker 1: is it just part of the puzzle. Really, once you
Speaker 1: get them in, when they come to the combine, you
Speaker 1: get them for fifteen minutes, the agent can kind of
Speaker 1: prep them everything. But when you go out to dinner
Speaker 1: with him and have him in a building for all day,
Speaker 1: you're able to find that true personality and see if
Speaker 1: a guy will fit. What buttons can you push to
Speaker 1: get him? You know in bad situations, But I really
Speaker 1: just want to get to know the person and you've
Speaker 1: known the player by watching the film. Just uh, once
Speaker 1: you spend that time with him, get to know the
Speaker 1: person behind the player, get an idea of what they
Speaker 1: may react to better or or otherwise, and and keep
Speaker 1: that in your memory bank and moving ahead, coach, Thanks
Speaker 1: for the time, thanks for coming across the hallway, and
Speaker 1: always good to see you, and you're always welcome here
Speaker 1: and good luck to you. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: having me. Mike called well Jaguars defensive coordinator. The Jags
Speaker 1: are future focused and ready for a new look in
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Speaker 1: For one of his versatility was really able to They
Speaker 1: really showed it off this last year, moving him inside,
Speaker 1: moving him outside, having the capabilities to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of live outside, even though you know he's pretty
Speaker 1: thick in stature, and being able to go down inside
Speaker 1: and still being able to hold up. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where his primary value is going to be is
Speaker 1: he can play a heavy handed brand of football and
Speaker 1: hold up inside yet still be loose enough and offer
Speaker 1: you enough quickness to be outside if you need it.
Speaker 1: And I just I think that combination something not a
Speaker 1: lot of guys have. I mean, of course, you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk a lot about his teammate to Jordan Davis, who
Speaker 1: is just an absolute boulder, somebody you're not going to
Speaker 1: be able to move, but a totally different high player
Speaker 1: as far as what he's gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: and what it's gonna be asked to do most likely.
Speaker 1: So I think Treyvon is gonna be a great pro.
Speaker 1: That's cold Cublic of SEC Network. The full interview available
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. He is the analyst on SEC
Speaker 1: Saturday Night. Former Auburn center and radio host w j
Speaker 1: X in Birmingham as well. He got his thoughts on
Speaker 1: a few of the top SEC prospects coming out, and
Speaker 1: a lot of those names have been linked to the
Speaker 1: Jaguars in different mock drafts. Welcome Back, It's Jaguars Happy
Speaker 1: Our j P. Shadrick with Jeff Vlogman, Joe Fort, Jnado,
Speaker 1: Brent Reaverer and our thanks to Mike Caldwell, so coming
Speaker 1: in Jaguars defensive coordinator, it's a lot going on at
Speaker 1: the same time, just getting into town a little later
Speaker 1: than a lot of coaching staffs might and then here
Speaker 1: we go hit the ground running. Well the part we
Speaker 1: asked him about just because it we did it all
Speaker 1: the year and said, you know, hey, you're starting to
Speaker 1: get settled because a lot of people don't understand. Okay,
Speaker 1: you get an new coaching staff, well, you also have
Speaker 1: to change cities. You have a family, and you have
Speaker 1: to try to get the family moved. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts for for NFL coaches because
Speaker 1: they literally have to be a little bit part gypsy
Speaker 1: because that's kind of just the name of the game.
Speaker 1: And this is the business you've chosen. Well, and I
Speaker 1: mean that's what they signed up for. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for him.
Speaker 1: I mean just you know, that's asking people to kind
Speaker 1: of understand what they have going on in their life.
Speaker 1: And it's a lot and uh and so Mike's got
Speaker 1: a lot going on and uh and and also being
Speaker 1: a first time defensive coordinator and so uh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's trying to learn to speak the same language.
Speaker 1: And I brought that up because I mean JP literally
Speaker 1: when you have and you assemble a staff, a defensive
Speaker 1: staff or an offensive staff, you're bringing in a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that you know, but they may all come
Speaker 1: from different systems. You may have spent some time together
Speaker 1: in past places. But you also have these different languages
Speaker 1: that you're all coming from most recently, and so you
Speaker 1: have to be able to all speak the same language.
Speaker 1: And so you have to decide on terminology and uh
Speaker 1: and everything of that nature. So that's not an easy
Speaker 1: thing to do, not an easy thing to do at all.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I like what Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: and I think he did this and I think it
Speaker 1: was very smart to help out Mike because he's the
Speaker 1: first time called wells. Bob Sutton was kept on staff
Speaker 1: and a lot of people maybe don't appreciate and understand this,
Speaker 1: but Bob Sutton has been an extremely successful defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: in the National Football League before, most recently with the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and highly respected, highly respected, and urban
Speaker 1: Meyer hired him. Doug Peterson kept him very smart and
Speaker 1: will that will help Mike called well, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Mike Show. But man if if if I'm approaching something
Speaker 1: for the first time, to have the ability to go
Speaker 1: to somebody who's been there and done that, bounce ideas
Speaker 1: off of them, and to get that kind of that
Speaker 1: free flowing information opinions, that's valuable, very valuable, because Mike
Speaker 1: Caldwell is going to be in a lot of places
Speaker 1: that he's never been this year, and to have somebody
Speaker 1: who has been there and to be able to lean
Speaker 1: on that past experience with somebody on staff, I think
Speaker 1: is absolutely important. One of these days, we're gonna put
Speaker 1: a microphone in front of Bob Sutton and get some
Speaker 1: stories out of that man. He's got some stories now
Speaker 1: talked to him, you know, and off the air, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got some stories. That would be a fun one
Speaker 1: for sure. Of course, the draft is three weeks away
Speaker 1: from tonight, you believe that. By the way, the guy
Speaker 1: that that you talked to on the podcast, I love
Speaker 1: his opinion on on Trayvon Walker, and I think he's
Speaker 1: dead on. I think I think Trayvon Walker is gonna
Speaker 1: be a really good pro. When he talks about heavy hands,
Speaker 1: uh that's uh heavy hands. First of all, the hands
Speaker 1: need to be in the right place to be heavy
Speaker 1: to begin with, which is a technique thing. Trayvon Walker
Speaker 1: has excellent hands, are in the right place. He plays strong.
Speaker 1: He does have the positional flexibility. He can kick down
Speaker 1: and play as a three technique. He can play defensive
Speaker 1: end on in a four B. He can do it
Speaker 1: in a wide six. So I think he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of value and will have a lot of value
Speaker 1: to a team that can use a guy that can
Speaker 1: play multiple positions. Will he be right at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft. I don't know if he's gonna be
Speaker 1: right at the top, but he is gonna be a
Speaker 1: good football player. He's one of those guys JP I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that could end up at at one, two, three,
Speaker 1: could end up at ten. It depends on what team likes,
Speaker 1: what he has to offer right, and what other guys
Speaker 1: that need That's what I'm saying about that. You know
Speaker 1: the guys that you put into a bag and you
Speaker 1: just pull five names out, that's how how they may fall.
Speaker 1: You're just not sure yet because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys that are that are real close together talent wise
Speaker 1: in that top ten, top twelve guys. This is Jaguars
Speaker 1: Happy r J P Shatdrick with Jeff log I'm glad
Speaker 1: you were with the Sun since x L A M.
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Speaker 1: You know, earlier you talked about some of the other
Speaker 1: prospects that you've been looking at on film. We've heard
Speaker 1: about the big names. Last week we did the Big four,
Speaker 1: the two big tackles, the two big defensive lineman including Walker.
Speaker 1: But there's a few other names that people will here
Speaker 1: early in this draft, and maybe not as early as
Speaker 1: you'd think. But let's start with a guy like you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Greek guy from that I think
Speaker 1: is how you pronounced his last name, George, George Carlaftis
Speaker 1: and uh, he's he wears a single digit number number five.
Speaker 1: And when you watch him play, this guy, he he
Speaker 1: might be the best pass rusher in the draft as
Speaker 1: far as the smoothest guy, having just past he can
Speaker 1: do it, you know, he really can do. He's got
Speaker 1: great hips, he's got a great bend, he has got
Speaker 1: he's fluid as can be. And where is he gonna
Speaker 1: be drafted? And he's gonna be in the first round somewhere,
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where six four, two sixty six
Speaker 1: and bench press one, you know, vertical jump thirty eight
Speaker 1: got up there. Well, I think he can and I
Speaker 1: think he can weigh a little bit more. He could
Speaker 1: probably play to seventy to seventy five somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: But he's a very real smooth pass rusher and uh,
Speaker 1: he's a guy. That's what I'm saying is that if
Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars, you could find a way to
Speaker 1: trade down. Like I said, there's probably not a very
Speaker 1: strong chance of that, but if you could, that's I
Speaker 1: think where that value is is where like a guy
Speaker 1: like Karl Laftus isn't gonna end up being. But I
Speaker 1: think he's an intriguing prospect. He only played football for
Speaker 1: a short period of time because I think he came
Speaker 1: to this country at at a late eight eight play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't start playing football until he got over here.
Speaker 1: So I think that what that says is that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of untapped potential still there and uh, and
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting. And on the flip
Speaker 1: side of that, you have the safety at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: Hamilton's who many people believe that he is the and
Speaker 1: have him listed as the highest rated prospect in the draft.
Speaker 1: And he does have a lot of skills, and he's
Speaker 1: got size, he's a he's kind of a different safety,
Speaker 1: and that he almost has the build of a linebacker.
Speaker 1: He's tall, he's range e. But I think the one
Speaker 1: concerned four yeah, that I would have, which you don't
Speaker 1: see mary many six four safeties around. But in in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, a six fourth safety, you're thinking, can we
Speaker 1: convert him the linebacker? Right? I mean that's but today's
Speaker 1: NFL is a little more weight on him and throw
Speaker 1: him up there, right, yeah, okay, but when you look
Speaker 1: at his forty time okay, you got us forty time there,
Speaker 1: I do what is it? Four five nine? Okay, that's
Speaker 1: four six yeah? Okay. I have a hard time because
Speaker 1: after watching the film of him, he's got ball skills.
Speaker 1: But there were some moments to where the the the
Speaker 1: whole name of safety, okay, is that you're the safety valve,
Speaker 1: last guy, last line of defense, right, And he missed
Speaker 1: some opportunities at the most critical point of the job
Speaker 1: description of playing safety. He missed the opportunity to making
Speaker 1: a tackle that saved touchdowns, and when you watched him
Speaker 1: pursue from a bad angle. I sat there and I
Speaker 1: said to myself, this guy is not that fast. And
Speaker 1: I and this is before I looked at what the
Speaker 1: reports were, what the numbers were from the combine, And
Speaker 1: you look at the combine and you see four or
Speaker 1: five nine. Okay, that's four six. That's not elite speed,
Speaker 1: especially for a defensive back. So I have a hard
Speaker 1: time sitting there saying that he's the highest rated prospect
Speaker 1: when he runs a four or five nine. Okay, if
Speaker 1: he was a linebacker and he ran four or five
Speaker 1: nine and he was sick four and he was two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds maybe two twenty five, then you'd
Speaker 1: be oh excited about it because it's a different position,
Speaker 1: requires different speed. But I'm sorry, I can't get on
Speaker 1: board with Hamilton being the highest rated prospect because four
Speaker 1: or five nine doesn't do it for me. If you
Speaker 1: rewound to uh, let's say two three months ago, and
Speaker 1: looked at a lot of mock drafts NFL draft previews,
Speaker 1: Cavon Cavon Tibodeau's name would have been right at the
Speaker 1: top of a lot of lists. In fact, early in
Speaker 1: the process, he was mocked to the Jaguars a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of these big time mock drafts. That hasn't
Speaker 1: happened in a long long time. What's the story with
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Well, he's interested in. He's not a big guy, okay,
Speaker 1: He's kind of true what you would describe as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: He's six four, two fifty four officially. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: you compare him to Carl Laftis or Aiden Hutchinson or
Speaker 1: the guy from Alabama Alabama, Trayvon Walker Georgia, or from Georgia,
Speaker 1: Travior Lark, he's not He's not. He's much smaller. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean not. I'm not cutting hairs here.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, when you watch the tabe, you go,
Speaker 1: that guy is not that big and not quite that
Speaker 1: small because like two five, yeah, a little shorter than that.
Speaker 1: But but the point is is that he's a little
Speaker 1: different type of player. He is truly, he's not a
Speaker 1: guy that you'd say, Okay, we're gonna put his hand
Speaker 1: in the ground and play four three. I think he's
Speaker 1: a he's a true three four linebacker and he's got
Speaker 1: some exceptional quickness off the ball, but he does he's
Speaker 1: not He doesn't have a lot of moves. Okay, when
Speaker 1: you when you pass rush, you have to have moves,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that he's still learning. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have a patent move like Karl Aftis has got moves.
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson has got moves, Trayvon Walker has got power. Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy had. He's still trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: it seems. And so I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I don't want to say his stock is
Speaker 1: is dropped, because I don't think it has. I think
Speaker 1: that's what why he's rated a notch below some of
Speaker 1: these other guys at the top. But it's not a
Speaker 1: very big notch below now, Okay, but he's got superior athleticism.
Speaker 1: So with superior athleticism, you know that the guy has
Speaker 1: a chance of of being great. Because when you watching
Speaker 1: Nadan Hutchinson, do you go, oh my god, what a
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. You don't say that, Myles Garrett, when you
Speaker 1: watched the film, you went, oh my god, this guy
Speaker 1: is sick. Okay, and uh, but he's a superior athlete.
Speaker 1: So I think that gives him a chance at improving.
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler was that Dante Dante Fowler was a phenomenal athlete.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time ever laid eyes on him
Speaker 1: in person, I was like, oh my god. But but
Speaker 1: this which I'm pointing out the head if you're listening
Speaker 1: on radio, than the mind and the body sometimes don't
Speaker 1: work together. And and I'm not saying that to be mean,
Speaker 1: other than to point out that if if Dante had
Speaker 1: because there's I'm not saying that a guy has to
Speaker 1: be smart to be able to play football, but you
Speaker 1: have to have the football instincts, and certain guys have
Speaker 1: instincts and play instinctual even though the system okay, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit complex, that that that body naturally takes
Speaker 1: it over and uh and with Dante, that was that
Speaker 1: never was his strong suit he but athletically he's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. We'll come back
Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll take a live look at the
Speaker 1: Football Performance Center. It's been a rainy day outside, and
Speaker 1: we'll also go around the National Football League. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Mike called Well, Jaguars defensive coordinator, who joined us a
Speaker 1: little earlier on the show, this Jaguars Happy Hour on
Speaker 1: the Jaguars Didgital Network. Welcome Back is Jaguars Happy Our
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, JP Shaddrick with Jeff Lagerman And if you're
Speaker 1: watching on Jaguars Twitter, Facebook, YouTube or Jaguars dot Com,
Speaker 1: you're looking live at the Football Performance Center. And the
Speaker 1: footprint is taking shape more and more each day, except
Speaker 1: today because it's raining cats and dogs off and on
Speaker 1: today and it is a big mud pit today. But
Speaker 1: we're still on track for training camp. Of they've been
Speaker 1: pouring concrete when it's been dry enough. The last couple
Speaker 1: of last week or so since we've had this program,
Speaker 1: they've added some concrete walls are going up. I saw
Speaker 1: blocks being put together yesterday and uh, you need to
Speaker 1: get the monster trucks out there for kind of what
Speaker 1: it looks like, right Yeah, monster jam ye, monster jam
Speaker 1: love it. Uh. So, of course we're looking forward to
Speaker 1: the progress, their progress the shipyards as all. The fire
Speaker 1: museum has moved down the street now uss or Lock
Speaker 1: is in town now right on the riverfront downtown. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. They're gonna make a permanent home for that,
Speaker 1: I think up in the shipyards somewhere, so that did
Speaker 1: they give a timeline on when that would be available.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, yeah question, but it's yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing that pretty cool, Like you just
Speaker 1: driving by it and checking it out. It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a nice edition. That's a long time coming. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty cool addition to downtown. Yeah, I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: for the first tour of that as well. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: go around the National Football let's do that. A lot
Speaker 1: going on a lot around the NFL. Two more money,
Speaker 1: well yeah, big money and yeah, both ways. I think
Speaker 1: two more coaches joined the Brian Flores suit against the NFL.
Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes, the Cardinals head coach in eighteen, Ray Horton
Speaker 1: and assistant in the league since ninety four. He interviewed
Speaker 1: for the Titans job, and there was a tweet earlier
Speaker 1: today that brought up a Mike Mlwarkey podcast interview from
Speaker 1: a year or so ago, and he talked about the
Speaker 1: process of interviewing as the Titans head coach and felt
Speaker 1: like that, hey, they told him you already had the job,
Speaker 1: and that's what this comes from, the Ray Horton part
Speaker 1: of it. So that will be a continuing story obviously,
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, the the NFL has got a
Speaker 1: couple of things that that are not very positive right
Speaker 1: now that they're dealing with Brian Floors lawsuit being one
Speaker 1: of them. The reports about Daniel Snyder on multiple fronts,
Speaker 1: they keep adding are not reflecting very well. Congressional inquiries
Speaker 1: into different organizations, uh sexual harassment type of things. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the NFL is uh and and they'll get through it.
Speaker 1: They will because they're gonna make I think good decisions
Speaker 1: to make sure that the league is headed in the
Speaker 1: right direction. But right now, yeah, it's that's not too
Speaker 1: good to Deshaun Watson. I guess now has to give
Speaker 1: testimony as to the relationship with some of the consensual
Speaker 1: relationships that he had was massage therapists. So it's like
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. The NFL's probably sitting are Gland.
Speaker 1: Can we get to the draft quickly please? Pro Football
Speaker 1: Talk earlier today cited multiple sources that after his retirement,
Speaker 1: originally Tom Brady would have been introduced as minority owner
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins. The report on February that the Dolphins
Speaker 1: had planned to pursue a Sean Payton tom Brady package deal,
Speaker 1: but then the Brian Flores lawsuit came filed the same
Speaker 1: day Brady retired. The Dolphins pulled the plug on that
Speaker 1: plan of bringing both together in Miami. That would have
Speaker 1: been something else well it obviously everything going on with
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross too, that would have that would have been
Speaker 1: very interesting, and I don't think there's any doubt that
Speaker 1: the Bradys can afford to be a part owner of
Speaker 1: a franchise. Look, both Mr and Mrs do very well,
Speaker 1: and I think the Misses does better than the mister
Speaker 1: absolutely um. Also, somebody else doing very well these days
Speaker 1: is Stefon Diggs. Four years, one four million dollar extension,
Speaker 1: including seventy million guaranteed dollars. His contract now runs through
Speaker 1: seven with the Bills, a total value of a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four million. Added to the list of wide
Speaker 1: receiver mega contracts, Tyreek Hills seventy two million guaranteed with
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Davante Adam sixty five million guaranteed with the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Big money. That's why I was talking about big money.
Speaker 1: And the wide receiver position is crazy. The Deshaun Watson contract,
Speaker 1: I think is ridiculous. The the contracts for the wide
Speaker 1: receiver so how's it ridiculous? Money guaranteed? What's the guaranteed
Speaker 1: amount of money for for a person that has some
Speaker 1: unresolved issues. I think that that was a poor decision
Speaker 1: by the Haslems, who admitted that they didn't know what
Speaker 1: they were doing at the onset of their period of
Speaker 1: time when they first bought or acquired the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: But the reality is is that when you do a
Speaker 1: deal like this, you're saying that we didn't know what
Speaker 1: we were doing. I think the argument could be made
Speaker 1: that it's very apparent that you don't still don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Because when other owners say that that's
Speaker 1: not a good thing for the NFL. When you give
Speaker 1: a guy that has issues that kind of guaranteed money,
Speaker 1: like Stephen Boscott, he said, uh, the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's a that's I think that's a
Speaker 1: big problem. Now, a guy like Davante Adams and the
Speaker 1: money that he got, Okay, digs, Okay, I mean these
Speaker 1: guys productive clean, no off the field issues. Tyreek Hill Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got he's got some off the field issue, so
Speaker 1: we can play, but he can play like nobody's business.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just so. I mean, I'm glad some
Speaker 1: of these guys are getting the money and the guaranteed
Speaker 1: money is coming. I think that's good for NFL players
Speaker 1: because NFL players have always had that issue that there's
Speaker 1: very little money that has been guaranteed in their contracts
Speaker 1: over the year. So I think this is a positive thing.
Speaker 1: But I also think it needs to be positive from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of the teams need to be given that
Speaker 1: the players that don't have any issues Nate Hackett and
Speaker 1: the Broncos and using their top thirty visits. Interestingly, one
Speaker 1: of those an excellacrosse star making a visit with the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Jared Bernhardt was a member of the Maryland lacrosse team
Speaker 1: last spring and won the award is the nation's best
Speaker 1: collegiate lacrosse player in one He then transferred grand transfer
Speaker 1: played quarterback at Ferris State in Michigan last season, led
Speaker 1: them to a Division two national championship in football, he'll
Speaker 1: be a receiver and kick returner in the NFL. Why not?
Speaker 1: What a path? Uh? Why not? Hey? By the way,
Speaker 1: Patrick Kearney, do you remember Patrick Kearney played defensive end
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons also went on to play for
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Was one of the what was a
Speaker 1: college lacrosse player at the University of Virginia, and so, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing a guy
Speaker 1: that played in college lacrosse. I think there's some crossover.
Speaker 1: Jim Brown one of the greatest lacrosse players ever. There
Speaker 1: you go, uh so, uh so, but I think this
Speaker 1: is a little This is pretty cool and that you know,
Speaker 1: he went somewhere else played little football. I mean, good stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a good decision there. Athletes
Speaker 1: are athletes, and they all don't make the conversion from
Speaker 1: one sport to another. But I think lacross and football,
Speaker 1: I think there's uh there's some similarities there. Live's great stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again next week, looking forward to
Speaker 1: Joe Fortunado, Brent Reaver for Jeff Flagman and defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Might called Well. I'm J P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening.
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