1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, April seven. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Hey, now, 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: the problem with this golf game is that he's standing 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: too close to the ball after he hits it. Jay 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Peace cha one of many issues with it, and welcome in. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour. My name is J. P. Shadrick. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: We've got a busy show ahead as usual. Jaguars analysts. 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Jeff Lockman joining us. We're about fifteen minutes away from 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell, Jaguars defensive coordinator, joining us live in studio. 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class. 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Big three at the start of free agency and what 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: the players come in next week for the off season program, 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: chance to finally to sit down with the players. Will 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway. 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: to your lives. You a golfer very rarely and and 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: very poorly. Really, Yes, I see that Tiger Woods is 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: just about completed his round. He's minus one. Yeah, he 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: he just birdied sixteen like twenty five ft pot plays 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: went nuts, And uh, that's been the big watch today 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: because you don't know, it's the walk really for him. 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: He said he can hit all the shots still in 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: his press conferences earlier this week, and so far it's 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: proven out that way. Yeah. That I played golf a 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: lot when I was younger. I don't play anymore for 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: the most part. And but to watch him and to 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: see him what he's doing right now, I mean, wow. Uh, 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: congratulations to him to be able to fight back from 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: the accident that he had, what was it about a 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: year ago, fourteen months ago, fourteen months ago, and to 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: to see him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him. 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: That's cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: of the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: to get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season 39 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: program is next week. There was you know those reports 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: about the draft and what the Jags may or may 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: not do. There that always is happening, so the draft 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: talk will be endless and until it happened, and then 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: of course when it happens, then the next draft talk. 44 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: But then you got grades and then did they do good? 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: put a grade on it, you know. But until then, 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh, 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: and I think this draft is is kind of interesting 49 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: from my standpoint is that you know, I only watched 50 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: the top. Eventually I'll watch the top, you know, fifty 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: seventy five guys something like that first couple of rounds 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: and uh. On a normal draft here, there's usually a 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: out five guys somewhere in that range, could be less, 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: could be a little bit more that usually are at 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: the top of the draft. And you say that that 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: is the elite part of the draft. And do you 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: have that elite five guys in this draft class? I 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: don't think you do. And I think that that makes 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: the Jaguars to be in a position that may be 60 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: unenviable or not very enviable, because you'd like to be 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: somewhere to where you feel like you're in a position 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: of strength as far as drafting, where you're in a 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: spot that other teams would like to be, and I don't. 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that feeling from watching some 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: of these prospects because you know, people have asked me before, hey, 66 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: who do you think the top five guys are? And 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: I can tell you JP, I can take about ten guys, 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: maybe about fifteen guys, And honestly, on one day, I'll 69 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: pull five guys out of that, out of that bag 70 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: and put them in order, and then ask me again 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: to marrow and I may change my mind because there 72 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: are there's a lot of guys that are real close, 73 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: really close. So I think it's gonna be really interesting. 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: And I wish it was a draft class because the 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: Jaguars had the first one for all pick. I wish 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it had a clear cut number one quarterback because if 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: you had that, you would be in the catbird seat 78 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: like nobody's business. But you're not because that quarterback is 79 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: not there. It doesn't exist. Now does it exist for 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: the fifth pick, the sixth pick, the seventh pick. That 81 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: maybe where that first quarterback ends up falling too, But 82 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: nobody's fighting to get to number one. No, Because a 83 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: lot of people think, hey, look if I moved to 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: five or six. I might be able to get there. 85 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: Some people may say they can get that quarterback at seven. 86 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, this came up on I think the Huddle 87 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Up podcast yesterday with Bucky would Josh Allen the Jaguars, 88 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, if he was coming out this year in 89 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: this group of prospects, would he be the number one pick? 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: Would he be the best player in this draft? He'd 91 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: be in the conversation. I mean literally, I mean I 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: think that that's what this draft class is. And that 93 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: was Josh Allen, one of those five elite prospects. I 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: think he was right there, right there, and he slipped, 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: remember like it was slipped a little good him And 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: don't don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: picked the different guy. They picked Cleveland Farrell. And yeah, 98 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: but I mean I don't understand why that happened. I mean, 99 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: that was that was that Mike Mayock, was that John Gruden? 100 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, who who knows? But there's absolutely when it happened. 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: Because I had watched the film on both of the guys, 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: Josh and and the whoever the Raiders pick Cleveland Farrell, 103 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: and I went, I can't believe they did that. And 104 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: I said that on a broadcast with me and frank 105 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: An Tony and I was like, I can't believe that 106 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell. Are you kidding me? What 107 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: a mistake? And then it pushed Josh Allen down to 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and I was like, this is a no brainer. 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that if you asked the people 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: that were in that room and got the truth that 111 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: they felt that there was no way that Josh Allen 112 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: would have been available to them at that spot. But 113 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: he was. Would he be discussion, Absolutely, he'd be in 114 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: the discussion at first overall pick just because of his 115 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: his verse at time. He's Aidan Hutchinson. I mean Josh 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Allen when he was at Kentucky, it was an Aidan Hudson. 117 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: The only thing I think that that may have may 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: may give Aidan Hutchinson a little bit of the lead 119 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: over a Josh Allen if they were in the same 120 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: draft class right now, might be that Aidan Hushings Hutchinson 121 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: played at Michigan or plays at Michigan, and Josh was 122 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: at Kentucky. Now not Kentucky is not Eastern Kentucky or 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: Western Central Kentucky SEC school, and they had a fantastic 124 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: year that year. They run TV a lot, like the 125 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: National Game a lot. I mean, they were out there. 126 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: He was the SEC defensive Player of the year and 127 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: so he had a lot of things going. But but 128 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: I you know, and I get your point that he 129 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be it would be in the conversation for 130 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: the first overall pick of the draft. And I think 131 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: that that's very interesting conversation. And I will tell you 132 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: this that you know, we're we're gonna talk about some 133 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: of the other prospects because you know, there's a safety 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. There's um, you know, a defensive outside 135 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: linebacker that hasn't and thinks he should be in the 136 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: conversation with the first overall pick. There's a Greek pass 137 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: rusher who goes to Purdue who I love. Uh. There's 138 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: a lot of prospects that are that are very interesting 139 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: in this draft class. And I think that if you 140 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: were I think your your most value is going to 141 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle of the first round, to 142 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: be honest with you, because I think that you're gonna 143 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: get a really good player in the middle of the 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: first round. So I would put it this way, if 145 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: the Jaguars could trade the first overall pick and move 146 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: to five overall and then maybe pick up a second 147 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: round pick. I mean I'd do it in a minute. 148 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: I would. I would do it in a minute. Get 149 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: more picks, get more picks, and uh, I don't think 150 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: being in the in the top five is that important 151 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: this year. Jaguars Happy Hour on t t X, L 152 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: A M and Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with 153 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't 155 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact, 156 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: there was one team that invited a former lacrosse player 157 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: to come as a visit. Of course played quarterback at 158 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Division two last year. Do they have to publish, Yes, 159 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: you have to put your list out. Everybody knows who's coming, 160 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: so you have to strategize a little bit you might 161 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: not want to put out. That's That's kind of my 162 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: point is that because you're you're publishing that are there 163 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: some or are some of the visits just a simple 164 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: smoke screen could be could be I will tell you 165 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: this that I think if any team's waste a visit 166 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: on a smoke screen, then I think they're making a 167 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: major mistake. You've got You've got to because here's the thing, 168 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: nobody knows how much you truly covet somebody or where 169 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: you covet somebody. You may bring one of those thirty 170 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: in that you like in round three, But does that 171 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: mean that you bring somebody in who you would not 172 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: draft at all to pass up the opportunity to get 173 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: further evaluation of somebody that you would absolutely draft. I 174 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: think that that would be crazy if you would do that. 175 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: You can't pass up the opportunity to gather more information 176 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: to simply create a smoke screen, because there are players 177 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: that you want to lie that you like in round 178 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: one and round two and round three and round four. 179 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: So bringing guys throughout the draft class that you like, 180 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: don't waste those thirty visits on oh well, we just 181 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: want to throw some people off the trail to waste 182 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: the time. When those visits happen, did you do these 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: when you were playing? No, they didn't happen. Now that 184 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: when when I was coming out, the combine was the 185 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: combine that's still what it is today. As far as 186 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: the physical testing and the physical evaluation, medical checks, that's 187 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: all unchanged. The part that's a little bit different is 188 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: the interview process. It was very informal at the combine. 189 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: You didn't have these structured You get fifteen minutes with 190 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: each team and then a blow horn and then you 191 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: move off to the next station. They didn't do that. 192 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: It was very very informal, very informant. Hey, look, would 193 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: you like can you come and talk to uh? At 194 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: the time, it was Marty Shot himers with the Kansas 195 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, Carl Peterson and Marty Shot Can you can 196 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: you come and talk to them? Sure, I'll come talk them. 197 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: And sat down and talked with those two guys and 198 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: talked with some different personnel guys and different coaches and such. 199 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: But and then after the the Combine, there was no 200 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: We didn't have a pro day at University of Virginia. 201 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: We just look, I was open for business. Come to 202 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: the football office. They'll call me and say, hey, look, 203 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Dave w instead of the Dallas Cowboys is gonna be 204 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: here on Tuesday. Can you work out before him? Sure? Yeah, 205 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: no problem. So I worked out for Dave Wanstad worked 206 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: out for different coaches, you know, from different other days. 207 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: They'd call you and come on down. Yeah, So I 208 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: mean it wasn't like one day. I mean I think 209 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: I worked out about ten times for ten different people 210 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: and probably about five different teams. Pittsburgh Steelers, the New 211 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: York Jets, the Dallas Cowboys, uh were among quite a 212 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: few of them. But it was. It's just it's just 213 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: so more refined now and more planned now than it 214 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: ever has been. But the the purpose of it all 215 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: hasn't changed, though, which is that they're trying to gather 216 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: as much information as again. But we did not never 217 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: try appl JP to answer the original question, never traveled 218 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: to another team's facility to have a conversation. That didn't happen. 219 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even think it was allowed when 220 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: at that time, when did that really become a thing 221 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: ten years ago, fifteen years I think so something like that, 222 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: because I mean just that that wasn't that wasn't allowed 223 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: as far as I knew. So, I mean, they could 224 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: come to you, but they could not or wouldn't didn't 225 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: fly you into their place to talk to you in personnel, 226 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: which just didn't happen by the way at the airport, 227 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: because I guess a lot of these reports that some 228 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: of these prospects were in town Monday, and I'm sure 229 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: more were in there's different days, I mean the different organs. 230 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: I think in the past year they did like everybody 231 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: in two big days, but maybe they're spreading out some 232 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: according to reports now and different different approaches. And I 233 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: heard that Aidan Hutchinson uh Kuanu, the tackle from n 234 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: C State, was in town. I can tell he was 235 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: in town for sure. I saw him at the airport. 236 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: Big big, I mean I'm talking big dude. I mean 237 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: when I say big, the arguably one of the biggest 238 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: chest upper bodies that you would ever see on a 239 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: human being. Obviously like barrel chested. Barrel chested. He's a 240 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: big guy now because when you watch the film on him, 241 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: when he when he finishes guys, he has the ability 242 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: to what I call throw guys out of the bar 243 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: and just by pushing, by pressing guys with his upper body. 244 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: And when I got the chance to see him in person, 245 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: I was coming in on the airport or through the 246 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: airport on on Monday and happen to see him going 247 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: out in the afternoon. I was like, that's a big dude, 248 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and you know, some mighty ask how do you know 249 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: it was him? Well, you probably know it's him. I 250 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: mean he's that bigger, but he's six ft five and 251 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: three year Yeah. I mean when it kind of sticks 252 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: out in the airport, it's kind of hard. It's kind 253 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: of hard to miss miss a guy when he is 254 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: that big. I can tell you that he's he's a 255 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: monster guy. I mean he's big, big, big, big big. Now, 256 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: Nadan Hutchinson, you know, he might be able to squeeze 257 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: by without you know, noticing, but you know a guy 258 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: that's three twenty is, you know, three and has has 259 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: got that barrel chest. It's kind of hard not to 260 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: notice that. Because my first thing was like that dude's 261 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: big right there, but not a bit that he lifts weights. 262 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: And I look closer and said, that's itky man, that's 263 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: itkey cool. Let's go back in a moment. We're out 264 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: to Mike called well defensive coordinator. He'll be joining us 265 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: at some point very soon here on the program. 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Mike 275 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: and I go way back, uh, you know as as 276 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: as players together. Um, I've always had a lot of 277 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: respect for him. You know, we worked together on coach 278 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: Reid staff, you know in Philadelphia. Um, you know, I 279 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: also worked with Todd Bowles. And so when when Todd, 280 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: when Todd left, you know, he always you took Mike 281 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind 282 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay. Um, 283 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: and and always felt like Mike, Mike would make a 284 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just given 285 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I 286 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: was a coordinator, somebody had to give me an opportunity 287 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: right then. Um, he and I gotta have a great relationship, 288 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: and uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to 289 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: watch him work called defenses and uh, you know, going 290 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: to work this year. That's head coach Doug Peterson last 291 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: week at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach discussing 292 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well, long time player in 293 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: the NFL, long time coach in the NFL, J P Shadrick, 294 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Loghuman, it's Jaguars happy hour, and speaking of here's 295 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell in studio with us. It's great to see you. 296 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for the time today, coach all, thanks for having 297 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: me so here we are. You heard Doug Peterson there 298 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: last week. You've known this guy for a long time, 299 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: played together in the league kinda and now finally get 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: to be on a staff with him again. You were 301 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: with him in Philadelphia. How has it been the first 302 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: few months settling in as a coaching staff here together? 303 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: Been been great? Really, a lot of work that's going 304 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: in everyone's I did, trying to get in, get the 305 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: scheme going, get the lay of the land, and just 306 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: uh excited, ready to go, ready to get the players 307 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: in here. How many how many guys on the defensive 308 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: staff did you have a relationship with prior to be 309 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: a name the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone except uh 310 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: coach Gilbert and coach Sutton. Everyone else, UH knew those 311 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: guys from, whether it's from Arizona or Philadelphia or even 312 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, sou the staff is it really came together 313 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: pretty pretty good, and you know we're in there. We're 314 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: grinding it out and just ready to go. Now what 315 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: is it? I think next week the players are allowed 316 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: to be and you guys aren't allowed to put your 317 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: hands on them just yet. But how nice will that be? 318 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Because when you coach, you gotta have players, And so 319 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: now the players will finally be coming in here in 320 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: about a week or so. Yeah, it's a off season strange. 321 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: You can meet the guys, but you're unable to coach 322 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: the guys. And I consider coaches teachers, so it's hard 323 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: to be a teacher when you have no one to teach. 324 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: So we're teaching and bouncing things off each other now 325 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: and I'm real excited ready to get the players then 326 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: here so we can let them have it and understand 327 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: and see what they grasp and what they don't then 328 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: get it to them another way. Yeah, that's the thing 329 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: I might call it. Well, that's the Jaguars defensive coordinator 330 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: here on Jaguars Happy Hour. You can have a defensive 331 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: scheme in mind, a plan, put some things in, but 332 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: then if the players and the personnel have a different 333 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: way of doing it or can't you know, or have 334 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: different things, you have to adjust on the fly. That's 335 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: what this offseason is about. Figuring out what your players 336 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: do best right exactly. That's where the camps come in. 337 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: As soon as we can get there and get them 338 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: out able to run around and go against the offense. 339 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: Now we can actually see what guys can do. And 340 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer of if you can do it well, 341 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: let them do that. Don't ask them do something they 342 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: don't do well. So I would need to find out 343 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: what everyone can do well and will scheme it around 344 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: their ability. So with a part of this process, when 345 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: you have a new staff and and first time defensive coordinator, 346 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: everybody's got to learn to speak the same language. Okay, 347 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: everybody needs to know the pirate or a spike or 348 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: a ram or all these different terminologies. Are are you 349 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: starting to get to that point where everybody is starting 350 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: to speak the same language we're trying to. There's uh 351 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: pat Riley. He's a holdover from the last half brilliant guy, 352 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: and he's really our quality control, so he handles most 353 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: of the playbook stuff, so we're actually putting it on 354 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language. You 355 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: might call the halfback of R and everyone else calls 356 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: it an eight. So that's the type of stuff that 357 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: we're working through right now, and it's going great. The 358 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: guys are there really receptive of learning new things because 359 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: it's like you said, with terminology, it's gonna be different. 360 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: You're not gonna call it to what you've called it 361 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: for the last four or five years, so you're gonna 362 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: have to understand it and learn it and be able 363 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: to teach it once the players get here. Yeah, I'm 364 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: sure that there will be mistakes made you you make 365 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: a call or you use a term that may have 366 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: been from a previous stop, and that's just part of 367 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: the growing process. But one of the parts of the 368 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: process that I'm excited about was I had the opportunity 369 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: to watch the film of the guys that you acquired 370 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: in free agency and want to start with the Lucan 371 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: the linebacker from the Atlanta Falcons, and I know that 372 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: that's a position that you hold near and dear to 373 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: your heart. And when I turned the film on watching him, 374 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: what I loved about him downhill linebacker, that's decisive, and 375 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: he's got a great motor, but he's got the conditioning 376 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: to support that motor. That's the thing. Uh. Being a 377 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: former linebacker, you look for guys to have certain traits, 378 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: and he has the traits of he's gonna be a 379 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: leader out there, not because he's standing in front of 380 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: the huddle, but because he's out there and he's working 381 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: hard and he's leading guys and he's doing it by example. 382 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: He's a guy just like you said, it's gonna play downhill, 383 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna be physical and intelligent player, went to Yale, so 384 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: you know we're ready to our hands on him and 385 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: give him as much as he can handle. Fully fought 386 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Acasi on the defensive line. Another guy, another late round 387 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: draft pick, just like Luikan was and has really had 388 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: to really earn everything he's had in the NFL. Nothing 389 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: given to those guys when they're a late round draft 390 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: pick like that, and from Fokasi's standpoint. I mean, he 391 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: didn't play much his rookie season and then all of 392 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: a sudden he's a defensive captain in New York. What 393 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: is the best part of his game on that defensive line? 394 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: When when you look at him and when we draft 395 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: I drafted him, did Yeah. I was on the coaching 396 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: staff that drafted him. And the thing about it was 397 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: he was raw when he came out. Now you can 398 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: see the the talent start the bubble and come out. 399 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: He's explosive. He has really strong hands, and he's a 400 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: force in the middle, and that's someone that you're looking 401 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: forward to, you know, help stop the run, plug up 402 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: the middle, and be a physical presence in the middle 403 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: for offenses have to handle. When did you see that 404 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: flip for him, like after a year halfway through his 405 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: rookie season, when did you actually see some develop some 406 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: change for him? When I actually saw it with when 407 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: I turned on the film, is uh, look at like 408 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: that's the same kid. Yeah, he's different now and watching 409 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: him one of the things I think that's very rare. 410 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: It's not very often that you have a one technique 411 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: defensive tackle because he plays the one he plays the three, 412 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: but that one of those guys is elected a team captain. 413 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: Most of the captains are guys that make big plays, 414 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: that make a lot of sacks and make a lot 415 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: of interceptions, that make a lot of tackles. It's not 416 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: very often that a noose tackles elected a captain. And 417 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes because that's one of the 418 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: things that I think has been a theme with your alls. 419 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: With the free agent process that you guys executed, You've 420 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: got a lot of captives. How important was that to 421 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: your to your football team? I think it it's really important. 422 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: It just goes to the type of player he is 423 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: and the type of person he is. He's a guy 424 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna be respected, and you get respected by doing 425 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: your job well and doing it and pulling others along. 426 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: And that's what leaders do. And he's uh with a 427 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: captain there, and we're looking for that same leadership to 428 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: come here and infuse with the other guys that we 429 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: have in a defensive line room. All right, So, uh, 430 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Darius Williams another guy that you were able to get 431 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: in free agency, A local guy, Okay, coming home. How 432 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: excited was he to have the opportunity to come home 433 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: and to come here and play for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Well, 434 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: it's always exciting to come home and play in the 435 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: stadium that you grew up watching the team play in 436 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: or you're watching him on TV. But he actually gets 437 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: to come home and play here for be a part 438 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: of the Jacksonville team. So that's the most important thing 439 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: for him. He was excited. His family is excited and 440 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: to be able to go out and play in front 441 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: of your kids. You grew up with your family that 442 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: you've seen and they can get to the game easily. 443 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: So that's exciting for him and we're excited to have him. 444 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: He's a guy that brings a lot of energy when 445 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: it can go out there and make plays for us 446 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: and need to boys, so it uh. It helps a 447 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: lot the way it played out in Los Angeles, especially 448 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: last year for him. You got Ramsey and those guys 449 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: on one side. He was getting a lot of action 450 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: over there, so you know, and he stepped up to 451 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: the plate and made some big place for the Rams 452 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: last year. That's key. Once you're put to the forefront 453 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: and it's your time again. They have a all star 454 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: corner on the other side and they think they're gonna 455 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: pick on you on the other side, and you come 456 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: there and you stand up and you get to stop. 457 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: You know. That's just something we're looking for down here 458 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: that he can come in and help develop with the 459 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: other corners were having to back in and trying to 460 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: keep him making plays the way he did last year. 461 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: It's a good room now, by the way, that cornerback room, 462 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: it really has a veterans back there and also a 463 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: little bit of youth. So it's gonna mix together. When 464 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: Darius says Duvall, it's got a little extra meting, a 465 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: little extra meeting. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So part of 466 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: the process of improving your football team. It's coming up 467 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: here pretty soon, the dry draft. So who you gonna 468 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: draft with? Who do you? Who do you? Who does 469 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell like Right now, I'm in the lab along 470 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: with Trent, with Doug the defense staff. We're in there 471 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: trying to understand who would be the best fit for us, 472 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go out there and get the best player, 473 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: and whoever that may be, we'll be excited for him 474 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: and he'll be a dag and we'll go out there 475 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: and we're gonna expect big things from him, let's go. 476 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: It's a balance. It's a challenge. Right now you're balancing 477 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: building a scheme on defense and then all the free 478 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: agency stuff. It's all it never really ends, but the 479 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: big first couple of waves are done now and then 480 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: the draft. All that's working at the same time. How 481 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: challenging is that for the coaching staff to have to 482 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: balance all of that at one time? It is It's 483 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: like a big puzzle. You get different pieces, and you 484 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: might get this piece or you might have that piece 485 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: and just trying to put it together. So once you 486 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: get it together, we all can be on the same 487 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: paget ready to go out there and have success. One 488 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: of the things that's different, I don't know what what 489 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: your jew come out in the draft three Okay, you 490 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: came out ninety three. I was eighty nine, and you 491 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: guys are I guess still in the process where these 492 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: prospects come and visit you. I get I think thirty 493 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: guys can come in. Did you do that? Was that? 494 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Even when I came out, we didn't have that. The 495 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: when I came out, the best thing we that I 496 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: received was a workout and then after workout, the coach 497 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: brought me. Uh. I think we went to McDonald's so 498 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: I got got got a free meal after going through 499 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: a couple of workouts. So that was that's all you wanted, 500 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: just a chance, the opportunity. And I think when the 501 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: guys come here, we just wanna get comfortable, get him 502 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: in a different setting, show them what we're here to offer. 503 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: You got them coming down to Florida, which is beautiful, 504 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: so you know that's a big plus for us. How 505 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: much do you learn You got to get a prospect 506 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: to come in and spend some time with you like that, 507 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: how much can you learn to do you get a 508 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: little better feel for the individual and the personality and 509 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: does it fit in that short amount of time or 510 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: is it just part of the puzzle. Really, once you 511 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: get them in, when they come to the combine, you 512 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: get them for fifteen minutes, the agent can kind of 513 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: prep them everything. But when you go out to dinner 514 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: with him and have him in a building for all day, 515 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: you're able to find that true personality and see if 516 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: a guy will fit. What buttons can you push to 517 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: get him? You know in bad situations, But I really 518 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: just want to get to know the person and you've 519 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: known the player by watching the film. Just uh, once 520 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: you spend that time with him, get to know the 521 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: person behind the player, get an idea of what they 522 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: may react to better or or otherwise, and and keep 523 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: that in your memory bank and moving ahead, coach, Thanks 524 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: for the time, thanks for coming across the hallway, and 525 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: always good to see you, and you're always welcome here 526 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: and good luck to you. Thank you very much for 527 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: having me. Mike called well Jaguars defensive coordinator. The Jags 528 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: are future focused and ready for a new look in 529 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: join us to the bank this season. Because Doug Peterson 530 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence and and the Jags leave the charge 531 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: to lock in your seats. Visit Jaguars dot com slash tickets. 532 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: We're called nine O four six three three two thousand. 533 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: This is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. 534 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: For one of his versatility was really able to They 535 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: really showed it off this last year, moving him inside, 536 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: moving him outside, having the capabilities to be able to 537 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: kind of live outside, even though you know he's pretty 538 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: thick in stature, and being able to go down inside 539 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: and still being able to hold up. And I think 540 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: that's where his primary value is going to be is 541 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: he can play a heavy handed brand of football and 542 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: hold up inside yet still be loose enough and offer 543 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: you enough quickness to be outside if you need it. 544 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: And I just I think that combination something not a 545 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of guys have. I mean, of course, you're gonna 546 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: talk a lot about his teammate to Jordan Davis, who 547 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: is just an absolute boulder, somebody you're not going to 548 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: be able to move, but a totally different high player 549 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: as far as what he's gonna be able to do 550 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: and what it's gonna be asked to do most likely. 551 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: So I think Treyvon is gonna be a great pro. 552 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: That's cold Cublic of SEC Network. The full interview available 553 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. He is the analyst on SEC 554 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: Saturday Night. Former Auburn center and radio host w j 555 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: X in Birmingham as well. He got his thoughts on 556 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: a few of the top SEC prospects coming out, and 557 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: a lot of those names have been linked to the 558 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: Jaguars in different mock drafts. Welcome Back, It's Jaguars Happy 559 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: Our j P. Shadrick with Jeff Vlogman, Joe Fort, Jnado, 560 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: Brent Reaverer and our thanks to Mike Caldwell, so coming 561 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: in Jaguars defensive coordinator, it's a lot going on at 562 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: the same time, just getting into town a little later 563 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: than a lot of coaching staffs might and then here 564 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: we go hit the ground running. Well the part we 565 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: asked him about just because it we did it all 566 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: the year and said, you know, hey, you're starting to 567 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: get settled because a lot of people don't understand. Okay, 568 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: you get an new coaching staff, well, you also have 569 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: to change cities. You have a family, and you have 570 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: to try to get the family moved. I mean, there's 571 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts for for NFL coaches because 572 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: they literally have to be a little bit part gypsy 573 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: because that's kind of just the name of the game. 574 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: And this is the business you've chosen. Well, and I 575 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: mean that's what they signed up for. So I mean, 576 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for him. 577 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean just you know, that's asking people to kind 578 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: of understand what they have going on in their life. 579 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: And it's a lot and uh and so Mike's got 580 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot going on and uh and and also being 581 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: a first time defensive coordinator and so uh, yeah, I 582 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: mean that's trying to learn to speak the same language. 583 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: And I brought that up because I mean JP literally 584 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: when you have and you assemble a staff, a defensive 585 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: staff or an offensive staff, you're bringing in a lot 586 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: of guys that you know, but they may all come 587 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: from different systems. You may have spent some time together 588 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: in past places. But you also have these different languages 589 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: that you're all coming from most recently, and so you 590 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: have to be able to all speak the same language. 591 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: And so you have to decide on terminology and uh 592 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: and everything of that nature. So that's not an easy 593 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: thing to do, not an easy thing to do at all. 594 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,959 Speaker 1: And the one thing that I like what Doug Peterson 595 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: and I think he did this and I think it 596 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: was very smart to help out Mike because he's the 597 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: first time called wells. Bob Sutton was kept on staff 598 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of people maybe don't appreciate and understand this, 599 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: but Bob Sutton has been an extremely successful defensive coordinator 600 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: in the National Football League before, most recently with the 601 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and highly respected, highly respected, and urban 602 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: Meyer hired him. Doug Peterson kept him very smart and 603 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: will that will help Mike called well, it's gonna be 604 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Mike Show. But man if if if I'm approaching something 605 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: for the first time, to have the ability to go 606 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: to somebody who's been there and done that, bounce ideas 607 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: off of them, and to get that kind of that 608 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: free flowing information opinions, that's valuable, very valuable, because Mike 609 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: Caldwell is going to be in a lot of places 610 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: that he's never been this year, and to have somebody 611 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: who has been there and to be able to lean 612 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: on that past experience with somebody on staff, I think 613 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: is absolutely important. One of these days, we're gonna put 614 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: a microphone in front of Bob Sutton and get some 615 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: stories out of that man. He's got some stories now 616 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: talked to him, you know, and off the air, and yeah, 617 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: he's got some stories. That would be a fun one 618 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: for sure. Of course, the draft is three weeks away 619 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: from tonight, you believe that. By the way, the guy 620 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: that that you talked to on the podcast, I love 621 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: his opinion on on Trayvon Walker, and I think he's 622 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: dead on. I think I think Trayvon Walker is gonna 623 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: be a really good pro. When he talks about heavy hands, 624 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: uh that's uh heavy hands. First of all, the hands 625 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: need to be in the right place to be heavy 626 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: to begin with, which is a technique thing. Trayvon Walker 627 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: has excellent hands, are in the right place. He plays strong. 628 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: He does have the positional flexibility. He can kick down 629 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: and play as a three technique. He can play defensive 630 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: end on in a four B. He can do it 631 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: in a wide six. So I think he's got a 632 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: lot of value and will have a lot of value 633 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: to a team that can use a guy that can 634 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: play multiple positions. Will he be right at the top 635 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: of the draft. I don't know if he's gonna be 636 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: right at the top, but he is gonna be a 637 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: good football player. He's one of those guys JP I'm 638 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: talking about that could end up at at one, two, three, 639 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: could end up at ten. It depends on what team likes, 640 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: what he has to offer right, and what other guys 641 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: that need That's what I'm saying about that. You know 642 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: the guys that you put into a bag and you 643 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: just pull five names out, that's how how they may fall. 644 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: You're just not sure yet because there's a lot of 645 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: guys that are that are real close together talent wise 646 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: in that top ten, top twelve guys. This is Jaguars 647 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: Happy r J P Shatdrick with Jeff log I'm glad 648 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: you were with the Sun since x L A M. 649 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: And Jaguars Twitter, Facebook and YouTube on this Thursday afternoon. 650 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: You know, earlier you talked about some of the other 651 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: prospects that you've been looking at on film. We've heard 652 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: about the big names. Last week we did the Big four, 653 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: the two big tackles, the two big defensive lineman including Walker. 654 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: But there's a few other names that people will here 655 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: early in this draft, and maybe not as early as 656 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: you'd think. But let's start with a guy like you know, 657 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about the Greek guy from that I think 658 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: is how you pronounced his last name, George, George Carlaftis 659 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: and uh, he's he wears a single digit number number five. 660 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: And when you watch him play, this guy, he he 661 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: might be the best pass rusher in the draft as 662 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: far as the smoothest guy, having just past he can 663 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: do it, you know, he really can do. He's got 664 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: great hips, he's got a great bend, he has got 665 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: he's fluid as can be. And where is he gonna 666 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: be drafted? And he's gonna be in the first round somewhere, 667 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly where six four, two sixty six 668 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: and bench press one, you know, vertical jump thirty eight 669 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: got up there. Well, I think he can and I 670 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: think he can weigh a little bit more. He could 671 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: probably play to seventy to seventy five somewhere in that range. 672 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: But he's a very real smooth pass rusher and uh, 673 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: he's a guy. That's what I'm saying is that if 674 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: if you're the Jaguars, you could find a way to 675 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: trade down. Like I said, there's probably not a very 676 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: strong chance of that, but if you could, that's I 677 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: think where that value is is where like a guy 678 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: like Karl Laftus isn't gonna end up being. But I 679 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: think he's an intriguing prospect. He only played football for 680 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: a short period of time because I think he came 681 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: to this country at at a late eight eight play. Yeah, 682 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: I didn't start playing football until he got over here. 683 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: So I think that what that says is that there's 684 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: a lot of untapped potential still there and uh, and 685 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be interesting. And on the flip 686 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: side of that, you have the safety at Notre Dame 687 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: Hamilton's who many people believe that he is the and 688 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: have him listed as the highest rated prospect in the draft. 689 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: And he does have a lot of skills, and he's 690 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: got size, he's a he's kind of a different safety, 691 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: and that he almost has the build of a linebacker. 692 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: He's tall, he's range e. But I think the one 693 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: concerned four yeah, that I would have, which you don't 694 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: see mary many six four safeties around. But in in 695 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: today's NFL, a six fourth safety, you're thinking, can we 696 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: convert him the linebacker? Right? I mean that's but today's 697 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: NFL is a little more weight on him and throw 698 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: him up there, right, yeah, okay, but when you look 699 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: at his forty time okay, you got us forty time there, 700 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,479 Speaker 1: I do what is it? Four five nine? Okay, that's 701 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: four six yeah? Okay. I have a hard time because 702 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: after watching the film of him, he's got ball skills. 703 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: But there were some moments to where the the the 704 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: whole name of safety, okay, is that you're the safety valve, 705 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: last guy, last line of defense, right, And he missed 706 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: some opportunities at the most critical point of the job 707 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: description of playing safety. He missed the opportunity to making 708 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: a tackle that saved touchdowns, and when you watched him 709 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: pursue from a bad angle. I sat there and I 710 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: said to myself, this guy is not that fast. And 711 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: I and this is before I looked at what the 712 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: reports were, what the numbers were from the combine, And 713 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: you look at the combine and you see four or 714 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: five nine. Okay, that's four six. That's not elite speed, 715 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: especially for a defensive back. So I have a hard 716 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: time sitting there saying that he's the highest rated prospect 717 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: when he runs a four or five nine. Okay, if 718 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: he was a linebacker and he ran four or five 719 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: nine and he was sick four and he was two 720 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds maybe two twenty five, then you'd 721 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: be oh excited about it because it's a different position, 722 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: requires different speed. But I'm sorry, I can't get on 723 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: board with Hamilton being the highest rated prospect because four 724 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: or five nine doesn't do it for me. If you 725 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: rewound to uh, let's say two three months ago, and 726 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: looked at a lot of mock drafts NFL draft previews, 727 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: Cavon Cavon Tibodeau's name would have been right at the 728 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: top of a lot of lists. In fact, early in 729 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: the process, he was mocked to the Jaguars a lot, 730 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these big time mock drafts. That hasn't 731 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: happened in a long long time. What's the story with 732 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Well, he's interested in. He's not a big guy, okay, 733 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: He's kind of true what you would describe as a linebacker. 734 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: He's six four, two fifty four officially. Okay, So when 735 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: you compare him to Carl Laftis or Aiden Hutchinson or 736 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: the guy from Alabama Alabama, Trayvon Walker Georgia, or from Georgia, 737 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: Travior Lark, he's not He's not. He's much smaller. I mean, 738 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: you know, I mean not. I'm not cutting hairs here. 739 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: I mean literally, when you watch the tabe, you go, 740 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: that guy is not that big and not quite that 741 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: small because like two five, yeah, a little shorter than that. 742 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: But but the point is is that he's a little 743 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: different type of player. He is truly, he's not a 744 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: guy that you'd say, Okay, we're gonna put his hand 745 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: in the ground and play four three. I think he's 746 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: a he's a true three four linebacker and he's got 747 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: some exceptional quickness off the ball, but he does he's 748 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: not He doesn't have a lot of moves. Okay, when 749 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: you when you pass rush, you have to have moves, 750 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: and I think that's something that he's still learning. He 751 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have a patent move like Karl Aftis has got moves. 752 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson has got moves, Trayvon Walker has got power. Okay, 753 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: this guy had. He's still trying to figure it out, 754 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: it seems. And so I think that's one of the 755 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: reasons why I don't want to say his stock is 756 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: is dropped, because I don't think it has. I think 757 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: that's what why he's rated a notch below some of 758 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: these other guys at the top. But it's not a 759 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: very big notch below now, Okay, but he's got superior athleticism. 760 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: So with superior athleticism, you know that the guy has 761 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: a chance of of being great. Because when you watching 762 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: Nadan Hutchinson, do you go, oh my god, what a 763 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. You don't say that, Myles Garrett, when you 764 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: watched the film, you went, oh my god, this guy 765 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: is sick. Okay, and uh, but he's a superior athlete. 766 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: So I think that gives him a chance at improving. 767 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: Dante Fowler was that Dante Dante Fowler was a phenomenal athlete. 768 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the first time ever laid eyes on him 769 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: in person, I was like, oh my god. But but 770 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: this which I'm pointing out the head if you're listening 771 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: on radio, than the mind and the body sometimes don't 772 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: work together. And and I'm not saying that to be mean, 773 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: other than to point out that if if Dante had 774 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: because there's I'm not saying that a guy has to 775 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: be smart to be able to play football, but you 776 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: have to have the football instincts, and certain guys have 777 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,959 Speaker 1: instincts and play instinctual even though the system okay, maybe 778 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: a little bit complex, that that that body naturally takes 779 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: it over and uh and with Dante, that was that 780 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: never was his strong suit he but athletically he's one 781 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. We'll come back 782 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: in a moment. We'll take a live look at the 783 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: Football Performance Center. It's been a rainy day outside, and 784 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: we'll also go around the National Football League. Thanks to 785 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: Mike called Well, Jaguars defensive coordinator, who joined us a 786 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: little earlier on the show, this Jaguars Happy Hour on 787 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Didgital Network. Welcome Back is Jaguars Happy Our 788 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, JP Shaddrick with Jeff Lagerman And if you're 789 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: watching on Jaguars Twitter, Facebook, YouTube or Jaguars dot Com, 790 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: you're looking live at the Football Performance Center. And the 791 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: footprint is taking shape more and more each day, except 792 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: today because it's raining cats and dogs off and on 793 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,959 Speaker 1: today and it is a big mud pit today. But 794 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: we're still on track for training camp. Of they've been 795 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: pouring concrete when it's been dry enough. The last couple 796 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: of last week or so since we've had this program, 797 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: they've added some concrete walls are going up. I saw 798 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: blocks being put together yesterday and uh, you need to 799 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: get the monster trucks out there for kind of what 800 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: it looks like, right Yeah, monster jam ye, monster jam 801 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: love it. Uh. So, of course we're looking forward to 802 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: the progress, their progress the shipyards as all. The fire 803 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: museum has moved down the street now uss or Lock 804 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: is in town now right on the riverfront downtown. That's 805 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: pretty cool. They're gonna make a permanent home for that, 806 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: I think up in the shipyards somewhere, so that did 807 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: they give a timeline on when that would be available. 808 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: I don't know that, yeah question, but it's yeah, I'm 809 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing that pretty cool, Like you just 810 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: driving by it and checking it out. It's it's gonna 811 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: be a nice edition. That's a long time coming. That's 812 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: a pretty cool addition to downtown. Yeah, I'm looking forward 813 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: for the first tour of that as well. Hey, let's 814 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: go around the National Football let's do that. A lot 815 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: going on a lot around the NFL. Two more money, 816 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,279 Speaker 1: well yeah, big money and yeah, both ways. I think 817 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: two more coaches joined the Brian Flores suit against the NFL. 818 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: Steve Wilkes, the Cardinals head coach in eighteen, Ray Horton 819 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: and assistant in the league since ninety four. He interviewed 820 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: for the Titans job, and there was a tweet earlier 821 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: today that brought up a Mike Mlwarkey podcast interview from 822 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: a year or so ago, and he talked about the 823 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: process of interviewing as the Titans head coach and felt 824 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: like that, hey, they told him you already had the job, 825 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 1: and that's what this comes from, the Ray Horton part 826 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: of it. So that will be a continuing story obviously, 827 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, the the NFL has got a 828 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: couple of things that that are not very positive right 829 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: now that they're dealing with Brian Floors lawsuit being one 830 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: of them. The reports about Daniel Snyder on multiple fronts, 831 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: they keep adding are not reflecting very well. Congressional inquiries 832 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: into different organizations, uh sexual harassment type of things. So, um, yeah, 833 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: the NFL is uh and and they'll get through it. 834 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: They will because they're gonna make I think good decisions 835 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that the league is headed in the 836 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: right direction. But right now, yeah, it's that's not too 837 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: good to Deshaun Watson. I guess now has to give 838 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: testimony as to the relationship with some of the consensual 839 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: relationships that he had was massage therapists. So it's like 840 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. The NFL's probably sitting are Gland. 841 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: Can we get to the draft quickly please? Pro Football 842 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: Talk earlier today cited multiple sources that after his retirement, 843 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: originally Tom Brady would have been introduced as minority owner 844 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: of the Dolphins. The report on February that the Dolphins 845 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,879 Speaker 1: had planned to pursue a Sean Payton tom Brady package deal, 846 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: but then the Brian Flores lawsuit came filed the same 847 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: day Brady retired. The Dolphins pulled the plug on that 848 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: plan of bringing both together in Miami. That would have 849 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: been something else well it obviously everything going on with 850 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Ross too, that would have that would have been 851 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: very interesting, and I don't think there's any doubt that 852 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: the Bradys can afford to be a part owner of 853 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: a franchise. Look, both Mr and Mrs do very well, 854 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,439 Speaker 1: and I think the Misses does better than the mister 855 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: absolutely um. Also, somebody else doing very well these days 856 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: is Stefon Diggs. Four years, one four million dollar extension, 857 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: including seventy million guaranteed dollars. His contract now runs through 858 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: seven with the Bills, a total value of a hundred 859 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: and twenty four million. Added to the list of wide 860 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: receiver mega contracts, Tyreek Hills seventy two million guaranteed with 861 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Davante Adam sixty five million guaranteed with the Raiders. 862 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: Big money. That's why I was talking about big money. 863 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: And the wide receiver position is crazy. The Deshaun Watson contract, 864 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,240 Speaker 1: I think is ridiculous. The the contracts for the wide 865 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: receiver so how's it ridiculous? Money guaranteed? What's the guaranteed 866 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: amount of money for for a person that has some 867 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: unresolved issues. I think that that was a poor decision 868 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: by the Haslems, who admitted that they didn't know what 869 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: they were doing at the onset of their period of 870 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 1: time when they first bought or acquired the Cleveland Browns. 871 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: But the reality is is that when you do a 872 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: deal like this, you're saying that we didn't know what 873 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: we were doing. I think the argument could be made 874 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: that it's very apparent that you don't still don't know 875 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,439 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Because when other owners say that that's 876 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: not a good thing for the NFL. When you give 877 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: a guy that has issues that kind of guaranteed money, 878 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: like Stephen Boscott, he said, uh, the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, 879 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: that's a problem. That's a that's I think that's a 880 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: big problem. Now, a guy like Davante Adams and the 881 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: money that he got, Okay, digs, Okay, I mean these 882 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: guys productive clean, no off the field issues. Tyreek Hill Okay, 883 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 1: he's got he's got some off the field issue, so 884 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: we can play, but he can play like nobody's business. 885 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just so. I mean, I'm glad some 886 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: of these guys are getting the money and the guaranteed 887 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: money is coming. I think that's good for NFL players 888 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: because NFL players have always had that issue that there's 889 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 1: very little money that has been guaranteed in their contracts 890 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: over the year. So I think this is a positive thing. 891 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: But I also think it needs to be positive from 892 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: the standpoint of the teams need to be given that 893 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: the players that don't have any issues Nate Hackett and 894 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,879 Speaker 1: the Broncos and using their top thirty visits. Interestingly, one 895 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: of those an excellacrosse star making a visit with the Broncos. 896 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: Jared Bernhardt was a member of the Maryland lacrosse team 897 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: last spring and won the award is the nation's best 898 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,760 Speaker 1: collegiate lacrosse player in one He then transferred grand transfer 899 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 1: played quarterback at Ferris State in Michigan last season, led 900 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 1: them to a Division two national championship in football, he'll 901 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: be a receiver and kick returner in the NFL. Why not? 902 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: What a path? Uh? Why not? Hey? By the way, 903 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Kearney, do you remember Patrick Kearney played defensive end 904 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons also went on to play for 905 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Was one of the what was a 906 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 1: college lacrosse player at the University of Virginia, and so, look, 907 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing a guy 908 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,760 Speaker 1: that played in college lacrosse. I think there's some crossover. 909 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: Jim Brown one of the greatest lacrosse players ever. There 910 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: you go, uh so, uh so, but I think this 911 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: is a little This is pretty cool and that you know, 912 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: he went somewhere else played little football. I mean, good stuff. 913 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a good decision there. Athletes 914 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: are athletes, and they all don't make the conversion from 915 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,320 Speaker 1: one sport to another. But I think lacross and football, 916 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: I think there's uh there's some similarities there. Live's great stuff. 917 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again next week, looking forward to 918 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,720 Speaker 1: Joe Fortunado, Brent Reaver for Jeff Flagman and defensive coordinator 919 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: Might called Well. I'm J P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening. 920 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on 921 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network.