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Speaker 1: of those good things. I'm sure you guys saw over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, this horrific building collapse in Miami. We're going

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Speaker 1: to bring in the very latest on that. There is

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Speaker 1: a new UFO report saga in particular, but also a

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Speaker 1: but we wanted to start with some major developments from

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden on that bipartisan infrastructure deal. So to start with,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get in a minute to more of

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Speaker 1: the substance of the deal. There's some major problems with it.

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Speaker 1: First of all, as we've been warning about, it's a

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Speaker 1: major private sector giveaway. One of the pay fors is

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Speaker 1: what's called asset recite, which means selling off the infrastructure

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Speaker 1: you already have in order to fund new infrastructure, something

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Speaker 1: that has been a failure when it's been tried in

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Speaker 1: other places before, like Australia. But Biden made a gigantic

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Speaker 1: mess for himself with some comments that he made. One

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Speaker 1: of the concerns from progressives is that you get this

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Speaker 1: bipartisan infrastructure deal and then you never bother with any

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Speaker 1: of the other pieces of the Biden agenda. So he

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Speaker 1: came out and said what essentially everybody knows that he

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Speaker 1: wants the bipartisan deal, but he also wants to do

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Speaker 1: this reconciliation package that would require just democratic votes. So

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Speaker 1: he's a little too direct in saying that we can

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Speaker 1: in tying those two things together. So Republicans feigned this

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Speaker 1: the bipartisan infrastructure deal, he also wanted to push forward

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Speaker 1: with a reconciliation package. That's always been the idea from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. Lindsey Graham was sort of chief among the

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Speaker 1: This led to Biden then quote unquote clarifying his statement,

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Speaker 1: Jake Sherman up on the screen of exactly what he

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Speaker 1: agreement with a bipartisan group of Senators on a one

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Speaker 1: point two trillion dollar plan of transformer physical infrastructure. The

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Speaker 1: plan would make the largest investment in infrastructure and history,

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Speaker 1: upsets some Republicans who do not see the two plans

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Speaker 1: as linked. They are hoping to defeat my family's plan

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Speaker 1: My comments also created the impression that I was issuing

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If we can barely understand, if

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you're going to go by partisan,

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Speaker 1: And so then the people are like, wait, so are

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Speaker 1: and the Biden reverses that, even though, as Jake Sherman

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Speaker 1: to do it. He's not going to backtrack. He's not

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Speaker 1: So is the deal still on? I think his entire

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Speaker 1: thing is frankly fake. I thought it was fake whenever

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Speaker 1: that I heard from somebody, which is that Okay, they've

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Speaker 1: got fifty five votes, right, that's not six. They can

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Speaker 1: still filibuster if they want to. So if you are

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Speaker 1: goes to show how ridiculous this entire exercise is, which

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Speaker 1: is that Biden going for this bipartisan plan but also saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying I like all this stuff in

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Speaker 1: this plan, but I believe in power, and I believe

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Speaker 1: that political parties should use it whenever they're governing. And

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Speaker 1: guess what like Obamacare Turnover and the TCJA, the Tax

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Speaker 1: Cuts and Jobs Act that all passed the Reconciliation Because

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Speaker 1: whenever you want something to get really done fast, that's

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Speaker 1: into Biden's Omacare Obamacare two point zero. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: exactly of that time whenever you know, Ram and Obama

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Speaker 1: were having all these meetings, all these Republicans and all this,

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Speaker 1: this new plan. Oh and then it would just like

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Speaker 1: fall apart in three weeks time. And eventually what happens,

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Speaker 1: It passes purely Democratic votes on what Christmas Day or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very likely to be what the exact

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Speaker 1: So Biden in particular, I mean this is like, over

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Speaker 1: going after the Mitt Romney's and Lindsay Grahams of the world,

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Speaker 1: only to see the support for you know, even this

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Speaker 1: limited infrastructure plan very tenuous. With just you know, one

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Speaker 1: whole thing up. Now, I will say that the Republicans

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Speaker 1: first of all, it's a lot less than what he proposed.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot less than even what like a Joe

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Speaker 1: Manson proposed. Remember while back Mansion was saying, hey, four

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Speaker 1: But it's actually only five hundred and seventy nine billion

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Speaker 1: of new authorized funding the pay force. Some of them

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew that these two things were tied together. We've

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Speaker 1: Blunt was making this case exactly and Fox News Sonny,

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Speaker 1: of the columns to lose support and grounding in the earth.

432
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: So we don't have all the answers about what happened here.

433
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, just down the beach, there's

434
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: another identical building own you know, built at the same

435
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: time by the same by the same construction construction firm,

436
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: identical plans, all that stuff, and of course those residents

437
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: are going like well shit, We're like, well we should

438
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: we u everything good here? I mean should we stay here?

439
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: I And so it's a very scary situation. And then

440
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: there's of course the bigger questions too about how how

441
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 1: many buildings in this area that are subject to similar

442
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, climate change forces, similar erosion, similar potential sinkhole like,

443
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: how many other buildings are at risk that have absolutely

444
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: no idea? So these are all incredibly significant questions to answer.

445
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: And I do think that you know, when I when

446
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: I saw this happen, in addition to just how absolutely

447
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: horrific and heart wrenching it is, I mean, one minute

448
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: you're asleep in your bed and the next minute it's

449
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: over right, and the family members and the loved ones

450
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: who are desperate for answers, and how long the search

451
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: and the search efforts are going on and recovery efforts

452
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: are going on at this point where you still only

453
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: have you have nine confirmed dead and about one hundred

454
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: and fifty still unaccounted for, and of course hope very

455
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: very dim at this point for any of those people.

456
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: But as you were saying, you know, last week we

457
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: talked about there's a pedestrian bridge on right on here

458
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: outside of DC that just collapsed onto the interstate onto

459
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: two ninety five. I was talking about that bridge in

460
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: Memphis that they had to have an emergency shut down

461
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: of because there was a gigantic crack that the inspectors

462
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: first missed and then they come in and find it

463
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: and are like, oh shit, they're worried about exactly something

464
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: like this happening with this bridge. So yeah, it just

465
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: seems like we're letting so much of our infrastructure and

466
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: essential facilities of life crumble before us and not taking

467
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: the actions that are necessary to deal with it. So again,

468
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot of questions here, a lot of heartbreak here,

469
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: and something that we really need to get to the

470
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: bottom of because it has major implications for especially that

471
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: entire region and the structural integrity of a lot of

472
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: the buildings. Now, that's right, and this is really you know,

473
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: there's also interesting. The area specifically was analyzed with space

474
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: based radar back in the nineteen nineties and they found

475
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: that there was some sinking indicated, but only in the

476
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: area of the surf side building of the surf side building. Yeah,

477
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: and actually in twenty fifteen, a resident had sued the

478
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: condo complex saying that water was seeping into her walls.

479
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: And so again, you know, possibly that's an area I

480
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of questions need to be asked

481
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: with the structural integrity. The one other thing I wanted

482
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: to note here is New York Times has an article

483
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: this morning about the sort of theories of what might

484
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: have happened, and there was significant construction happening in the

485
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: next door building as well, and apparently someone from the

486
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: condo board had reached out to the city and said,

487
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: we're worried about the integrity of our building because this

488
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: construction next door is so intense and it's rattling it.

489
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: So that's another potential factor here, and likely the cases

490
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: that maybe some are all of these factors played in,

491
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: because again, this is extraordinarily rare throughout history. This would

492
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: be the deadliest accidental building collapse in American history. So

493
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: for that to happen in this dramatic and horrifying of

494
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: a fashion, you have to have a cascading chain of

495
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: events of things that went wrong. So you've got a

496
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: building potentially that's deteriorating, You've got climate change for their eroding,

497
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: you may have a sinkhole, and then you have the

498
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: precipitating event of this construction that could be the chain

499
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: of events that led to this collapse. That's right. Look,

500
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna say on the story. Unfortunately, I'm sure there's

501
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: been a lot of bad information to come out, you know,

502
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: only thoughts with the people who lost some people in

503
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: that building or waiting results, because that is just a horrific,

504
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: horrific thing that you have to deal with. So I'm

505
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: really sorry for all of you. Hey, So remember how

506
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Speaker 1: which you can click on in the show notes. I

512
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: guess I don't even know how to do an abrupt

513
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: shift from this one. We also have some new developments

514
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: on UFOs, so let's go ahead and throw this up

515
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: there on the screen. It's a new report that was

516
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: actually released from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,

517
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I put by TLDR up there. I do think that's

518
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: the most significant one, which is the US government just

519
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: admitted in eighteen known instances UFOs demonstrated advanced technology and

520
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: that they have zero information to indicate that it's human. Now,

521
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: here's the thing, though, there were a lot of people

522
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: were very underwhelmed by this report. So I'll just give

523
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: people the top line. There were one hundred and forty

524
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: three unexplained sightings since two thousand and four. There's no

525
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: evidence of extraterrestrial life or a technological breakthrough by a

526
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: foreign adversary, though there is no evidence that either is

527
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: also ruled out right, there is eighteen that's what I

528
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: put it up there on the screen. Included potentially advanced

529
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: technology that the United States cannot understand and eleven eleven

530
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: we're near misses with government aircraft. Now, in terms of

531
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: the response to this report, there was a lot of speculation,

532
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: there was a lot of anticipation, and I understand at

533
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: the end of the day, this thing is only like

534
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: nine pages, and really what it comes down to is

535
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that the government was like, we need more data, we

536
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: need to go out and search our databases, we need

537
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: to make sure that we analyze these things, or we

538
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: need to make sure that we do a comprehensive sensory review.

539
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I would say the biggest takeaway from this is what

540
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I put up there, which is, yes, there's one hundred

541
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: and forty three instances of known sighting since two thousand

542
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: and four which cannot be explained. But the most significant

543
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: to me were the section where they talked about advanced technology.

544
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Eighteen known instances in which the government observed on their

545
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: radar screen movement which cannot be explained naturally indicative of

546
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: some sort of technological breakthrough. And look, at least according

547
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: to them, there's no indication that there is a foreign

548
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: adversary that was doing this, and I just want to

549
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: quickly go over that one. So for this to be

550
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: true that China and Russia have this technology, not only

551
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: would they have had to make the greatest breakthrough in

552
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: human flight in modern history, they would also be using

553
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: their super secret breakthrough over US soil, over US military

554
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: aircraft soever repeatedly to one hundred and forty three times.

555
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: So you're going to have me believe that a foreign

556
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: adversary creates this awesome, awesome new technology which if we

557
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: got it would completely change the game, and then they're

558
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: going to use their technology over US airspace repeatedly and

559
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: over US military aircraft once in order to test it.

560
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Maybe one hundred and forty three times. I just don't

561
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: think so. It sounds preposterous. And I'm not denigrating the

562
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Russians of the Chinese. I'm just saying this, which is

563
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: that that any sort of breakthrough like that, there's some

564
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: sort of scientific indicator. The atomic bomb was theoretically possible

565
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: fifteen years before it happened, the SR seventy one, everybody

566
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: knew it could happen, the sound barrier, everything, There's no

567
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: explanation for any of this. There is zero scientific explanation

568
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: for craft that move in ways that were observed on radar,

569
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: and that's exactly why the government is at least coming

570
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: out and admitting it. So I guess I agree with

571
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: the conclusions of the report. We need a lot more data,

572
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: we need a lot more information, but it was very underwhelming. Crystal.

573
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: There were no videos or no photos any of that stuff.

574
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: That being said, maybe that those things, those videos, photos

575
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and everything now exist in the intelligence community because somebody

576
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: had to compile all this data, and maybe that will

577
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: get leaked to a journalist like Jeremy Corbel or George

578
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Napp or somebody else there. So thatt is my hope

579
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: is that we can get something more out of this.

580
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Overall mixed reviews on the so just what people understand.

581
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: They examined one hundred and forty four of these sightings,

582
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: and they found one that they had an explanation for.

583
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: It's also noteworthy that because one thing that the skeptics

584
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: were saying is they threw in this line that said essentially, well,

585
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: this could be like radar error, this could be some

586
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know, a visual processing error, some issue

587
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: with the technology that's portraying something that isn't really there

588
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: isn't in behaving in the way that it's being perceived

589
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: as behaving. But a number of these reports on I

590
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: have the number here, A number of these reports, actually

591
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: eighty of them involved observation with multiple sensors, in other words,

592
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: some combination of I wouldn't testimony, radar returns, infrared indications,

593
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: or other electro optical sources. And then as you mentioned,

594
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: there were eighteen that involved movement patterns or flight characteristics

595
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: that are beyond any thing that we know to be possible.

596
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: So you have a significant number of these where it's

597
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: not like you're relying on just one data source for

598
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: the sighting. You actually have multiple confirming data sources for

599
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: the sighting. So it makes that idea that oh, this

600
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: is just like a radar malfunction that makes it not impossible,

601
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: but makes it a little bit less likely. So essentially,

602
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean the report is like, we don't know, we

603
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: have no evidence that it's our classified program. We have

604
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: no evidence that it's an adversary like China or Russia.

605
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: We have no evidence that's extraterrestrial. So here's the sidings

606
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: that we've had. Here's one that we figured out what

607
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: it was. Here's one hundred and forty three others. Some

608
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: of them, these objects are doing stuff that we don't

609
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: think is really possible. We have no idea how they're

610
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: doing it, and let's study it ultimately some more. So, Yeah,

611
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. If I didn't find it underwhelming,

612
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: I found it. I guess it was what I expected

613
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: because I didn't think that they were going to come

614
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: out and be like, we got it, you know, and

615
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: figured it out. Just want some video. The other thing

616
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: that's worth pointing out here is while these sightings dated

617
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and four, so over the course

618
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: of fifteen years, most of them were actually from the

619
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: past two years. Yeah, the reason is because the Navy

620
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: put that program in place so that there was a

621
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: standard reporting mechanism, so that war of this data is

622
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: starting to be collected, which is also positive indication that

623
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: maybe we're going to get more data, more sightings, more

624
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: ability to figure out what the hell is going on here,

625
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: because right now none of the explanations are plausible, Like,

626
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: none of it is actually plausible. There's no good explanation

627
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: for any of this. So it's just a gigantic shoulder

628
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: shrug and like, nah, we'll keep looking into it. I

629
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: guess it makes me sad. People like they do the shrug.

630
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I mean this is look potentially one

631
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: of the greatest stories in humankind. And all I would

632
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: say is this, which is that we need some more curiosity.

633
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: There'd be a ability and the inclination of so many people,

634
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: even smart people, to just dismiss a lot of this

635
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: stuff is very troubling. They're like, oh, come on, you

636
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: know whatever, if they actually had it. What about camera resolution?

637
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: I think these are ludicrous because once again, your iPhone

638
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: camera is not going to capture something moving several miles away.

639
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: It heats signature in the middle of the ocean in

640
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: the dead of night. Okay, of course it's going to

641
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: be grainy. That's how it's a miracle that we even

642
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: have a photo of it at all or a video

643
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: of it at all. And so what I would say

644
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: is that regarding all of this, it seems clear to

645
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: me that and I want to be fair, one thesis

646
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: is that it's secret government technology. Now the government says

647
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: we have concluded it's not secret technology. Well you can't

648
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: trust them, right, It's possible that the people who did

649
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: this report, who were relatively maybe they didn't have to

650
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: classified info. Maybe it's an even higher level of classification

651
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: that they have no idea about. That's one potential theory.

652
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: That's one potential. Like I said, the foreign adversary one

653
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: is there. I will say that if you're one of

654
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: those people relying on the weather balloons, that this report

655
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: specifically at least dismissed the weather balloon theory in some instances.

656
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: So if you're out out there and you're pumping that,

657
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry to tell you. The only act plausible

658
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: explanation that I've heard that could account for the multiple

659
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: sensors is that this supposedly occurred after some sort of

660
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: software update on the radar from a Lockheed Martin or

661
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: one of the I haven't gone too far down this

662
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. That being said, what you're not going to

663
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: fix the software two thousand and four to twenty one,

664
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: seventeen years of broken software. Give me a break. Okay,

665
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: So every single potential explanation to me doesn't carry water. Now,

666
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there's any evidence for extraterrestrial either. There's

667
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: no evidence for anything. I just think it's one of

668
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: the great unexplained mysteries about what exactly is happening, and

669
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to pin down, people just don't.

670
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: It's just like we talk about this all the time,

671
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: like the Miami thing. There's no Trump angle, there's no

672
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Biden angle, there's no Republican angle. It just is. But

673
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: it's a great mystery, it's a good story. It's something

674
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: that requires a lot more investigation. And yet, I mean,

675
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doing my radar on this, So I'm

676
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: guilty of this too. What are we arguing about woke military?

677
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: You know, critical theory, and look, I think it's bad.

678
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: That's what my whole radar is about. That being said,

679
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: this is a way bigger story than that, and so

680
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: at least we cover both, most people don't even care,

681
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: and I think that that's a big problem for political

682
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: media today. At the same time, there's a quite potentially

683
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: significant development in the case against Julian Assange that the

684
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: US government has brought and just for a little bit

685
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: of background so that we can understand the significance of

686
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: this development, because essentially a key witness of the government

687
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: is recanting and admitting that he lied. This guy's a

688
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: known criminal who lied about his involvement with Massange, and

689
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: that Assange coached him on how to hack into certain

690
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: government documents. But to provide the background here before we

691
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: get to the specifics of what the development is. Remember

692
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: under the Obama administration, they really wanted to go after

693
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: Assange too, And the reason that they didn't is they

694
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: couldn't get over what they called the New York Times problem.

695
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: How do we criminalize Julian Assange as a publisher without

696
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: potentially criminalizing papers well established newspapers like The New York Times,

697
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: who do reporting from whistleblowers on classified government documents. And

698
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: they essentially threw up their hands and said, we can't

699
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: figure out a legal distinction between Julian Assange and the

700
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: New York Times and other major newspapers. So we're going

701
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: to decline to prosecute, We're going to decline to indike him.

702
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Trump administration came in and William Barr in particular, they

703
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: decided they were going to go after Julian Assange, and

704
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: the way that they did it, it's this kind of

705
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: like and around of the New York Times problem, saying like,

706
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: we're not prosecuting him or going after him for what

707
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: he published. We're going to go after him for helping

708
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Chelsea Manning hack into government service. That's what we're going

709
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: to pin our whole case onto. So they have to

710
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: prove that he was complicit in actually doing the hacking

711
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: into the government systems to procure the documents and videos

712
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: that he was able to obtain. By the way, the

713
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: case here extraordinarily flimsy for reasons that I'm not going

714
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: to get all the way into. But and also it's

715
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: very problematic, as Glenn Greenwald often points out, Oftentimes, if

716
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: you're a journalist working with the source, you're helping them

717
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: figure out how to cover their tracks and those sorts

718
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: of activities. So this would potentially criminalize again normal journalistic

719
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: activities that all sorts of investigative reporters engage in. So

720
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: to bolster the idea that Assange wasn't just publishing documents

721
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: but was actually involved in breaking into government files, they

722
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: pulled in some additional supporting information from his involvement with

723
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: the Icelandic government, and in particular, this guy Thorderson is

724
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: his last name is a very Icelandic name that I secured.

725
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: Thordis order sid sorry Icelanders came to the FBI. Thorderson

726
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: was apparently in trouble for stealing funds from Wiki leaks.

727
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: The walls were kind of closing in on him, so

728
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: he goes to that FI and it's like, I've got

729
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: the goods on Julian, no sane, let me talk. Well,

730
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: this guy has now recanted his version of events and

731
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: admitted that basically he was making this all up. And

732
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: again known criminal, known thief, known extorter, not a good

733
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: guy to start with, and now he's come back and

734
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: said like, well, actually wasn't telling the truth about this

735
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: piece and my interactions with Julian Assan, So undercutting the

736
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: government's case against Assange and what is in part also

737
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: really noteworthy here is this seems like a significant development

738
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: in the case, and the only the Icelandic press has

739
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: reported it's stunwhare media it's nowhere to be found. And

740
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: I think we have the tear sheet that we can

741
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: grow up there on the screen. So this is the

742
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: wiki leaks tweet of the stundon article written about how

743
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: this key witness has now admitted to lying in the indictment.

744
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: And there's also a lot of details in here too

745
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: about how desperate the US government was to really essentially

746
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: entrap Assange, especially in his dealings in Iceland and some

747
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: of the things that he exposed. Ultimately there aggressively going

748
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: after him, aggressively trying to find someone who would turn

749
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: on him, who would spill the goods, who would implicate

750
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: him in a crime beyond just publishing documents. So there's

751
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: two layers here. First of all, significant development in the

752
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: case on its face, but also complete silence from the

753
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: U I mean utter complete, like one hundred percent silence

754
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: from the US media on this development in the case.

755
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: All the while, you know, these same people are out

756
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: there like press freedom and we believe in the free press,

757
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: and this is so important. Maybe the most important thing

758
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: happening in the world right now for press freedom, and

759
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: they have zip to say it. People should go and

760
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: read this entire thing. It's pretty wild. I mean, you

761
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: have the lead key witness in this case against a

762
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: sage admitting on the record to Icelandic media that he lied,

763
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: revealing chat logs showing that he lied, showing specifically that

764
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: what he alleged is not true. And look, this is

765
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: a sketchy guy in the first place. He has multiple

766
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: convictions for sexual abuse of minors and apparently for wire

767
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: fraud and actually said, according to I don't know who

768
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: this guy is, but told on the record to this

769
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: outlet they continued his crime spree while he was working

770
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: with the Department of Justice and with the FBI receiving

771
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: a promise of immunity from prosecution. So not only did

772
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: he commit crimes, he said he was continuing to commit

773
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: them while he was working. Yeah, with THEBI. Free past

774
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: is got community, which, as I understand that actually is

775
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: supposed to avoid any sort of immunity deal. I think

776
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing is very indicative, Like you were saying

777
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: around how most of the people talking about press freedom

778
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: are totally full of it. It's actually mostly a partisan thing.

779
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: When they say press freedom, what they really mean is CNN,

780
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: not even Fox, CNN and MSNBC freedom. And if Fox

781
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: is talking about it, it's the same thing. They mean

782
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: it for themselves and not necessarily for everybody else. And

783
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: this is how you fall through the cracks, if you

784
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: don't find yourself. And Julian is a perfect example of

785
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: the culture war problem, which he was a hero of

786
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: the left. Then he became a hero of the right.

787
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: And there's enough people, you know, on left and right

788
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: to hate him. And so what happens you have bipartisan

789
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: administrations which are willing to go after and go after

790
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: you and actually prosecute you till the ends of the earth.

791
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I think the New York Times problem is a significant one.

792
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, does that mean we could be prosecuted?

793
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean I've asked people to signal me before, you know,

794
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: whenever I was trying to get classified information technically under

795
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: that you know, under that standard, I could be prosecuted. Yeah,

796
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: for a break, I mean sure. I mean I was

797
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: doing my job. I was a journalist, you know, I

798
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: was trying to get somebody in the Pentagon to leak

799
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: me classified information. This is what people do every single day.

800
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: You can't criminalize that. And I have not yet been

801
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: convinced that there's any way whatsoever in order to do

802
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: this type of prosecution without setting a standard, without going

803
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: after or making the precedent set Because the president is

804
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: the most important thing. We're going to talk about this

805
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: tomorrow fully. But the Biden administration just bombed Syria, who

806
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: the Trump administration also bombed, who the Obama administration also bombed.

807
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: And remember when that happened, it was kind of crazy.

808
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: People were like, wait, you just bombed a sovereign country.

809
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: That's insane. I mean, Asad is the president of Syria.

810
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to like Assad, but he's the president,

811
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't want you to bomb him. And

812
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: so that means it's an active war, and so that

813
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: means Congress is supposed to get involved, and nobody did anything.

814
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: And then you have three successive presidencies which have done it.

815
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: So if you do this once, just once, that's all

816
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: you need. Then you can go inspy. Go ask all

817
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: the Washington Post New York Times journalists who had wire

818
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: taps placed on them. This actually recently came out the

819
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: New York Times had a gag order on them for

820
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: two years while they were fighting in court, and the

821
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: Trump administration of the DOJ was explicitly trying to hack,

822
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: not hacked, maintain and subpoena their emails. I'm not for that,

823
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: but who set the president for that, Obama when they

824
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: went after James Rosen. So this is how it happens. People,

825
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: You do it after the perversion who is your enemy.

826
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: Then another person comes into government they're going to do

827
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: it after theirs, and then next thing, you know, everybody's

828
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: cool with it because then they have a hand in

829
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: the game. We can't allow that to happen anymore. Yeah,

830
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: that's absolutely right, and you're correct that. The reason why

831
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: the US media is by and large completely silent on

832
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: all of this, and why you know they let Tony

833
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: Blincoln and Kamala Harris with a straight face go out

834
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: there and be like press freedom when they're continuing these

835
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: exact same prosecutions, is because of Julie Desange's involvement in

836
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election and their perception that he was

837
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: in the tank for Donald Trump and of course released

838
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: emails that were ultimately damaging to Hillary Clinton. So they've

839
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: put on these partisan this partisan lens that allows them

840
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: to just completely ignore the implications that this case has

841
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: for them and their entire industry in an extraordinarily significant way.

842
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: You know, the latest in terms of Julian is is

843
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: he is being held in the UK, the US is

844
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: trying to extradite him. The Biden administration is continuing to

845
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: try to extradite him. The judge in that case basically,

846
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, the initial ruling was that she was concerned

847
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: on humanitarian grounds for what it would be like for

848
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: Julian in the US prison system, which is of course

849
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: notoriously like horrific treatment of those who were held in prison.

850
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: So it was not on the merits of whether or

851
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: not he deserved to be extradited, whether there was anything

852
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: to this government prosecution, indictment whatsoever. So that's where things

853
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: stand right now. Again, this seems like very significant development

854
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: in the case, and it is quite astonishing that we

855
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: hear nothing from the US media on it. By the way,

856
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: I think, on Crystal Colin friends, this week we're going

857
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: to be talking to his brother and his father who

858
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: are in town in DC, trying to raise awareness on

859
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: the case, so we'll be able to get full update

860
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: from them on what's going on, but just wanting to

861
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: make sure you guys know what is being kept from

862
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: you by the US media in terms of just how

863
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: flimsy this indictment and this prosecution is and what the

864
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: massive ramifications potentially are for US publishers and publishers around

865
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the world read large. Yeah, no, absolutely, And look, speaking

866
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: of its prisons, sketchy things happening, this crazy transition hard

867
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: turns in this show to this, it's a very hard turned.

868
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to do this one. Look,

869
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: a lot of you have contacted us about John McAfee.

870
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't really know a lot about what's going on here,

871
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: So we'll be very very clear. John McAfee was found

872
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: dead in Spain, where he's being held on charges of

873
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: extradition from the United States regarding cryptocurrency and wire fraud

874
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other alleged financial crimes. He had

875
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: said in the past that if he had been found

876
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: dead and were suicided, that he had been killed. That's

877
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: what he said. Some people say he may have delusions

878
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: of grandeur and all that. Crystal, I know you just

879
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: watched a documentary on him. We could talk about that.

880
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. His wife recently, I believe, had

881
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: to see his body and confirm it. She recently spoke

882
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: to some cameras. Let's take a listen to what she

883
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: had to say. John McAfee was not suicidal. I spoke

884
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: with him a few hours before he was found dead.

885
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: We spoke about the court's decision to extradite him to

886
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: the US. It did not come as a surprise to

887
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: either of us. We were prepared for that decision and

888
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: had a plan of action already in place to appeal

889
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that decision. I blamed the US authorities for this tragedy

890
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: because of these politically motivated charges against him. My husband

891
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: is now dead. So that was Mcaseie Nacafee's wife speaking

892
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: there in Spain. Now. McAfee himself had actually given an

893
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: interview back in two thousand and July twenty seventh, twenty nineteen,

894
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: where he said that any suicide that that you saw

895
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: would be fake, and that he described a quote dead

896
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: man switch in order to ensure the release of sensitive

897
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: documents and a massive database upon his death, which to

898
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: be clear, has not yet materialized. So here's what he

899
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: had to say. Take a listen to this if I

900
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: commit suicide, which is highly unlikely. I like my life,

901
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: I loved my wife, I love my circumstent until I'm

902
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: a happy buther bucker. If I did choose to commit suicide,

903
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: you must know it was not suicide. Or if I

904
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: disappear for more than a specific period of time without

905
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: contacting specific people, then that data will be released. The

906
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: fact that I'm not releasing it did the only reason

907
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm still bleed, Okay, Christal, So this is everything that

908
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: we know. His wife Janie McAfee speaking to the camera,

909
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: so that it wasn't ha didn't happen that she spoke

910
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: to him that day. Now, look, maybe she, you know,

911
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: knows something else she's covering up, et cetera. McAfee himself

912
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: seems to have made it very clear that if he

913
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: ever did commit suicide, that it was some sort of

914
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: plot against him. That being said, maybe he was just

915
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. We actually interviewed him once on Rising.

916
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: It was totally nuts in terms of I remember yeah

917
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, it was crazy. I remember you, yeah,

918
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: I think you were there. We were talking to him

919
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: about bitcoin. I believe this is a long time ago.

920
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: I fually forgot about that. Brings the belt. Yeah. Remember

921
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: he was like on his phone and he couldn't connect,

922
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: and that was immediately I was like, man, I interviewed

923
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: this guy. I'm like, that's some nuts. But that was

924
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Yeah. Actually, I think it

925
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: might have been around the time he was doing that.

926
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he was on media tour. I don't know if

927
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: he's doing I remember he contacted me once because he

928
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: wanted to give me a bitcoin credit card because he

929
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: knew I was into bitcoin, and he was like, hey,

930
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: I got this whole thing, and I was like, dude,

931
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with you. What's going on here?

932
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: For people who haven't followed the life and times of

933
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: John McAfee, so you probably know, I mean, he's MacFee

934
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: anti virus. Right. This becomes huge in the nineties. Really

935
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: the first guy to sort of like figure out what

936
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: this whole computer virus thing was wildly successful company that

937
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: makes him extraordinarily made a lot of money. Okay, So

938
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: after this he gets bought out of that company. He's got,

939
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, untold amounts of wealth. He's like sort of itinerant.

940
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: He starts this yoga retreat and then he suddenly shuts

941
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: down the yogurt tree that he moves to Belize, and

942
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: especially when he moves to Belize, things get really weird

943
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: and also really violent. I mean, this guy probably maybe

944
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: allegedly killed at least one person who was his neighbor

945
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: who had poison. He had these like vicious dogs and

946
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: this huge twenty five person fully armed security team down

947
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: in Belize. It was extraordinarily paranoid about being kidnapped or

948
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: harmed or housebroken into or extorted or whatever. So he's

949
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: got these big guys, twenty five of them armed to

950
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: the teeth, essentially like sort of takes over this town

951
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: that he lives in in Belize. Is given all kinds

952
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: of gifts to the police department to make sure they're

953
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: on his side. And part of his security entourage is

954
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: these vicious dogs. His neighbor poisons the dogs, and I

955
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: believe it was the very next day the neighbor is

956
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: murdered in his house. Now in Belize, they don't have

957
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: extensive forensics testing, so even though they found in fact,

958
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: they have never actually solved a murder in Belize using forensics,

959
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: at least at the time of the documentary that was

960
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: done on McAfee called gringo. So anyway, they found a fingernail,

961
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: they found these other things. There's a guy who's was

962
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: in his security entourage who was implicated. The person who

963
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: ran McAfee's household said that he had wired the guy

964
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: who's the alleged assassin five thousand dollars from John that day,

965
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: So there's pretty strong, circumstantial evidence that he may have

966
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: murdered this guy. So then he goes on the run.

967
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: By the way, there's also a lot in there about

968
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: his sexual proclivities that I'll just allow you to explore

969
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: for yourself as part of this whole thing, it's out there.

970
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: So he then sort of goes on the run, ends

971
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: up extra dited back to the US, and they're unable

972
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: to gather enough as evidence of press charges of him.

973
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: So then he starts to try to rebuild his reputation.

974
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Very manipulative Opipedia runs for the Libertarian presidential nomination, loses

975
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: to Gary Johnson. It goes on this whole media tour

976
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: trying to rehab his image, and essentially what you get

977
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: from watching this documentary is this is a guy number

978
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: one classic narcissist, classic narcissist, total delusions of grandeur, totally

979
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: committed to being this like big man, iconoclastic figure, world famous.

980
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: This is what he's really all about. And he loves

981
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: to play the media, and he loves to create these

982
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: like grand illusions and images of himself. As part of

983
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: his whole repeated pronouncement that if he ends up dead,

984
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: there's no way that it's suicide. He even got a

985
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: tattoo that said whacked and had like the dollar sign

986
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: by it and whatever. So look, I have no idea

987
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: what happened here, but does it seem crazy to me

988
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: that he, in his final act to create this lasting,

989
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: legendary image of himself, plotted this whole storyline. Doesn't seem

990
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: totally out of the realm of possibility to me whatsoever,

991
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: given the personality that this type this guy had, And again,

992
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: his number one commitment in life seemed to be to

993
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: create this larger than life image and have people know

994
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: his name, and whether it was good, bad, or indifferent,

995
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: that he would have this wild big man image, and

996
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: so certainly possible that And again I think it's I

997
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: actually almost think it's sort of convenient that he repeatedly

998
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: was saying, just so you know, I would never kill

999
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: myself I'm going to get a tattoo. I'm so sure

1000
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: I would never kill myself. So that's another theory of

1001
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: what happened. I think that's a good coreller. People need

1002
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: to know he's kind of crazy. I also I found crazy,

1003
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: so I went back and found it. We interviewed him

1004
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: November eleventh, twenty nineteen, about Facebook's Libra currency, and I'll

1005
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: let you guys go look it up for yourself. There's

1006
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: a fun look on the two of our faces, which

1007
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: you guys could show me what's going on here. I

1008
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: forget who is book that I think it was be

1009
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: But all of this being said, it is it has

1010
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: captured a lot of attention. A lot of people are

1011
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: very weary of kind of these high profile suicides and more.

1012
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: But I think that your you know, corollary there about

1013
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: is clearly crazy, clearly had a little bit of delusions

1014
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: of grander and more. It's possible, right, and we should

1015
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: follow this continually. Also, look, he said there was going

1016
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: to be a dead man switch. I don't see anything,

1017
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a couple of days since his

1018
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: suicide or alleged suicide happen. Switch. He said that whenever

1019
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: he died that there would be a release of all

1020
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: these sensitive documents of cash and all this stuff which

1021
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: fits you know what we're saying, And look, if it's true,

1022
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: like I'll look at him. You know. Hey, by the way,

1023
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: if you're out there, please send them. But nothing of

1024
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: that sort yet has materialized, and so we're waiting for that. Wow,

1025
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: you guys must really like listening to our voices. Well,

1026
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: I know this is annoying. Instead of making you listen

1027
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: to a Viagra commercial. When you're done, check out the

1028
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: other podcast I do with Marshal Costloff called The Realignment.

1029
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the deeper issues that are changing,

1030
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: realigning in American society. You always need more Crystal and

1031
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Zaga in your daily lives. Take care, guys. All right, Sager,

1032
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: what are you looking at for your breaking points? I

1033
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 1: generally stay away from the culture war here on breaking points?

1034
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Why because I generally believe most of it is used

1035
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: cynically by the ruling class as a distraction from what

1036
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: they are doing on a daily basis. You don't care

1037
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: about tax rates, income gaps, good jobs, and more. When

1038
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: you're outraised over whether somebody refused to address somebody else

1039
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter that you've never even met by the wrong

1040
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: pronoun or if you're frantically checking doctor Sue's sales number

1041
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: on Amazon to own the libs. But for today, the

1042
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: reason I'm diving in is because this concerns an institution

1043
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: with massive power over American life and is one of

1044
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: the rare instances where a culture war has real and

1045
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: dire consequences, not just for our citizens here at home,

1046
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: but for the millions of people across the world who

1047
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: at one point or another could have or have come

1048
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: into contact with the United States military. All of this

1049
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: starts off with General Mark Millie. He's the Chairman of

1050
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's defending the teaching of

1051
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: critical race theory in the military, and it is important

1052
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: that we train and we understand. And I want to

1053
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: understand white rage. And I'm white and I want to

1054
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: understand it. So what is it that caused thousands of

1055
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: people to assault this building and try to overturn the

1056
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: constitution of the United States of America? What caused that?

1057
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: I want to find that out. I want to maintain

1058
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: an open mind here and I do want to analyze it.

1059
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: It's important that we understand that. Okay, there's a lot

1060
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: going on there before we start off. Of course, I

1061
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: too would like to understand why people storm the capitol.

1062
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: There's just one problem. How is it that the General

1063
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: and all of these woke liberals think that white rage

1064
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: is the only cause. The explanation is actually pretty simple.

1065
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: Trump is a Charlottan demagogue who made some stuff up

1066
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: enough people believed him, so they're willing to storm the Capitol. Now,

1067
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: if you want to really go down the rabbit hole,

1068
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Speaker 1: the question is this, why did millions of people disregard

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Speaker 1: good information otherwise from every major institution in American life

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Speaker 1: and believe only a dude with the fake tan who

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Speaker 1: all think considered was a mediocre to terrible president. That

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Speaker 1: is a question actually worth delving into deeply. White rage

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00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe part of the story, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a very big part of the story. You know, what

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Speaker 1: is the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the

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Speaker 1: fact that we squandered the lives of our own citizens

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Speaker 1: abroad with six trillion dollars, not to mention the nearly

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Speaker 1: one million Iraqis who died there, not to mention the

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Speaker 1: failure of the entire American general class. While there, And

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Speaker 1: of course there's more. How about the division of class

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Speaker 1: lines in America? How about a total commitment to globalization

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00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: and fake free trade, mass immigration. I can go on

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Speaker 1: and on. If the General really wants to understand, as

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Speaker 1: this show does, then there's a lot that he could learn.

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Speaker 1: But of course he's not actually interested in that. It's

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Speaker 1: a surprise that the people who are the most powerful

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Speaker 1: in America are obsessed with jargon and woke politics. All

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Speaker 1: Millie has to do is say white rage, and he

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Speaker 1: became a liberal hero, even more so after Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: attacked him. Now, look, personally, I wouldn't say what Tucker did,

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Speaker 1: but I'll admit I'll laughed. But when we laughed more?

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Speaker 1: Was this the out by the liberal intelligentsia which followed

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Speaker 1: Tucker's comments calling Milly a stupid pig. Now, Glenn Greenwald

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00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: has always had the perfect i noting that American liberalism

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00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: today looks like this. In the mainstream, you have NBC

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Speaker 1: News analysts retired four star General Barry McCaffrey calling for

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Speaker 1: Tucker to be fired for disrespecting the head of the military.

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Speaker 1: You have Jeet here of the Nation blasting the GOP

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Speaker 1: for not having insufficient reverence for our troops, and you

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Speaker 1: have Bill Crystal tweeting out his piece approvingly. That's right.

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Speaker 1: The reaction of the comments have been completely unhinged, and

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's dangerous. I can tell you that firsthand.

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Speaker 1: I was disciplined by my teachers in the mid two

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Speaker 1: thousands and generally despised by a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: my hometown of College Station, Texas because I spoke out

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Speaker 1: against the Iraq war, and I was told and dismissed

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Speaker 1: for being disrespectful of the military when pointing out basic

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Speaker 1: things like hey, you know, Osama bin Laden had nothing

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00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: to do with the war in Iraq, right that alone

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Speaker 1: was considered respectful or treason. US civilian control of the

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Speaker 1: US military is actually the most bedrock and sacrisanc thing

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Speaker 1: that we have in this country. And because of the

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Speaker 1: culture War, we now have the most powerful people in

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Speaker 1: the media allying themselves with the military, who have allied

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Speaker 1: themselves with woke ideology because they know it covers up

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Speaker 1: any questions about their own conduct. If you want the

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Speaker 1: perfect example of this with regards to General Millie himself,

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Speaker 1: he's the genius who blew up at Biden's National security

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Speaker 1: team in the situation room when he said that when

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Speaker 1: they said they wanted to leave Afghanistan because he said

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Speaker 1: America would be sacrificing women's rights in that country. Now,

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Speaker 1: he literally did the Afghan Girls meme, but in real life,

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Speaker 1: and he was serious about it. If General Milli wants

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Speaker 1: to sacrifice American lives to protect women's rights in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: he is welcome to run for president on that platform.

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Speaker 1: And I would personally relishing him watching him fall flat

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Speaker 1: on his face. Woke politics is a smokescreen that people

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Speaker 1: like Milli and the Wall Street bankers with pride flags

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Speaker 1: and blmstick used to cover up for the fact they're

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Speaker 1: actually the ones behind the most destructive forces in American

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Speaker 1: life today. And if you want, as I do, to

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Speaker 1: understand what happened on January sixth, don't start with critical

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Speaker 1: race theory. Start with General Millie. Start with the generals

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Speaker 1: who lost US two wars in our lifetime. Start with bankers.

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Speaker 1: We're bankrolling and teaching a lot of this nonsense. Start

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Speaker 1: with the think tank class. We're happy to talk diversity

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Speaker 1: in the military as long as it doesn't mean having

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Speaker 1: anybody around who thinks we should get out of Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: In other words, start with the place where power actually

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Speaker 1: resides in America. And Christal, I thought it was important

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Speaker 1: to do this one more thing, I promise. Just wanted

1142
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: to make sure you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski.

1143
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Speaker 1: It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we do long

1144
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: form interviews with people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West, and

1145
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform, or

1146
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: you can subscribe over on substack to get the video

1147
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: a day early. We're going to stop bugging you now.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy anyway, Christl, what are you taking a look at

1149
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: at today? Well, one of the big questions we like

1150
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: to explore on this show is exactly what long term

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Speaker 1: shifts to our politics, our culture, our habits, and our

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: communities will result from what we all lived through this

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Speaker 1: last year, from the pandemic itself to our government's woefully

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Speaker 1: inadequate response to what the whole experience exposed about our

1155
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Speaker 1: fake economy, self serving media outlets, and the politicians who

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Speaker 1: make it their entire job to protect the plutocrat class.

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Speaker 1: So as the pandemic winds down, at least here in

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Speaker 1: this country. We're just starting to get little indications of

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Speaker 1: what the long term impacts will be, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: insane housing market, asset grab by permanent capital, whether it's

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Speaker 1: working class Americans engaging in a low key general strike

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Speaker 1: of retail and restaurant work, or the affluent professional class

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Speaker 1: refusing to go back to their cubicles. Wow, we just

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Speaker 1: got another little glimpse of how the pandemic has accelerated

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Speaker 1: a shift in our attitudes about one of the bedrock

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Speaker 1: assumptions that have ruled our politics over the past sixty years.

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Speaker 1: Let's say at least that capitalism is good and socialism

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Speaker 1: is evil, and that's all you need to know. Take

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Speaker 1: a look at this poll here from Axios. So over

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Speaker 1: the last two years, positive sentiments towards socialism jumped up,

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Speaker 1: while more people soured on capitalism. Most of that shift

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Speaker 1: happened among younger Americans, which makes some sense since this

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Speaker 1: is a group that has been routinely screwed over by

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Speaker 1: capitalism and also has had less Cold War propaganda dumped

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Speaker 1: into them relentlessly throughout their lifetimes. So here are some

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Speaker 1: of the relevant numbers. In twenty nineteen, fifty eight percent

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Speaker 1: of Americans ages eighteen to thirty four reacted positively to

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Speaker 1: the word capitalism. That's plun to forty nine percent today. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the numbers for socialism have improved significantly among certain demographic groups.

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Speaker 1: Sixty percent of Black Americans have a positive view of socialism.

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Speaker 1: That number was only fifty three percent just two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Forty five percent of American women have a positive view

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Speaker 1: of socialism, as compared to just forty one percent in

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Speaker 1: the last survey, and even thirty three percent. A third

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Speaker 1: of non white Republicans have a positive view of socialism

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Speaker 1: as compared to twenty seven percent two years ago. To

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Speaker 1: catch that, women and Black Americans are leading the charge

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Speaker 1: in terms of favorable views of socialism, which is, of course,

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Speaker 1: the polar opposite of the white brochealist stereotype we have

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Speaker 1: all been fed that, of course, is a caricature offered

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Speaker 1: in bad faith by neoliberals looking to use weaponized identity

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Speaker 1: attacks as a way to undermine redistributive policies. This poll

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Speaker 1: also reveals that for Americans under thirty five, views of

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Speaker 1: capitalism and socialism are essentially split their fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: Only two years ago, capitalism enjoyed a twenty point advantage.

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Speaker 1: In this same survey, among gen Z, the numbers are

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Speaker 1: even war stark. Capitalism is a full twelve points underwater.

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Speaker 1: At this point. Looking at all this data, you can't

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Speaker 1: help but come to a few conclusions. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the politics of younger Americans. They look a whole lot

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Speaker 1: different than their parents. And second, no well crafted messaging

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Speaker 1: or popular politician would have possibly moved Americans nearly as

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Speaker 1: effectively as what they experienced and witness with their own

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Speaker 1: eyes this past year. What's interesting here, too, is that

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Speaker 1: the shifts and views towards capitalism and socialism were determined

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Speaker 1: much more by age than by partisanship. In other words,

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Speaker 1: quite a few young Republicans soured on capitalism this past

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Speaker 1: year as well. Fifty six percent of Republicans under thirty

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Speaker 1: five say that the government should work to reduce the

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Speaker 1: wealth gap, and the number of young Republicans with a

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Speaker 1: positive view of capitalism that dropped from eighty one percent

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Speaker 1: down to sixty six percent. Now, while older Americans they

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Speaker 1: haven't moved nearly as much, they still overwhelmingly prefer that

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Speaker 1: the government worked to reduce inequality as opposed to focusing

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Speaker 1: on deregulation. So while they might be turned off by

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Speaker 1: the socialist label, there's clearly a widely shared consensus around

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Speaker 1: reforming the current version of American late stage capitalism, so

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Speaker 1: it all makes a lot of sense. Really, think about

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Speaker 1: what we seen this past year. As shutdowns commenced and

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Speaker 1: people lost their jobs, the stock market was automatically bailed

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Speaker 1: out to the tune of trillions of dollars regular Americans. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: they were left to hope that our corrupt political class

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Speaker 1: would stop arguing over whether or not masks worked and

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Speaker 1: actually get around to doing a damn thing to protect

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Speaker 1: them industries. They got custom bailouts written by lobbyists, while

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Speaker 1: most Americans were kicked to the rickety unemployment system. We

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Speaker 1: have just learned that half of the sixty four point

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Speaker 1: three million Americans who sought unemployment insurance payments never got

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Speaker 1: them because the system was so broken. We watched lawmakers

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Speaker 1: get rich trading stocks that oh just happened to surge

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Speaker 1: thanks to government pandemic programs. We saw the dual screenspect

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Speaker 1: of breadlines for the many even as the stock market

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Speaker 1: reached new unprecedented heights. And perhaps most of all, we

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Speaker 1: saw billionaires like Jeff Bezos and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: American monopolis and financial royalists gained trillions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: new wealth at the expensive workers, small business, and the

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Speaker 1: vitality of our communities. Now, as traumatized workers gingerly re

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Speaker 1: enter the workforce, politicians were quick to force their hand

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01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: by cutting those unemployment benefits, while Biden's promises of a

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Speaker 1: fifteen dollars minimum wage that could make that work worthwhile

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Speaker 1: those have completely disappeared. Now you can certainly understand why

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: quite a few Americans took a look at all of

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Speaker 1: this and said, if this is capitalism, I want nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with it. Frankly, the story of this past

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Speaker 1: year is really the story of America over the past

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Speaker 1: let's say forty years, only set to triple speed. The corruption,

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Speaker 1: the ever consolidating wealth, the power of the few, the

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Speaker 1: bailance that protect the too big to fail while treating

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Speaker 1: workers like disposable ponds, the rig system, making a mockery

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Speaker 1: of the idea that everyone's got a shot at success

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Speaker 1: is just this time. Rather than being like the frog

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Speaker 1: put in a pot where the water is slowly increased

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Speaker 1: to the boiling point, Americans were just thrown right into

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Speaker 1: that boiling water all at once, and they saw very

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Speaker 1: very clearly what was being done to them. So what

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Speaker 1: will the consequences be, Well, it could be a new

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Speaker 1: paradigm in politics, with cross partisan efforts to check monopolists,

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Speaker 1: to lift wages, to reinvigorate the labor movement, and experiment

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Speaker 1: even with worker ownership. Laur you know, we could just

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Speaker 1: argue about Doctor Seuss and potato Head instead, while plutocrats

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Speaker 1: happily survey the landscape of sectarian conflict from their new

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Speaker 1: pan demic purchased yachts. And it kind of ties in

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Speaker 1: with what you were saying. Joining us now, the one

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Speaker 1: and only Matt Tayavy. Of course, you can find his

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Speaker 1: writings over on substack, his journalistic stylings over on Subsat.

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Speaker 1: Great to see him at, Great to see you both.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Soger wants you to also the desk.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an opportunity to do that. Now it's

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Speaker 1: a desk. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: basically prerequisite for coming on the show, like Ciger's desk.

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Speaker 1: So you have a new relatively dangerous post up titled

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Speaker 1: why has ivermectin become a dirty word? Some of our

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Speaker 1: audience will have followed, i've remectin. There's possibility that this

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Speaker 1: very low cut cost generic drug that could be effective

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Speaker 1: in treating coronavirus indications or mixer or some studies say yes,

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Speaker 1: some scientists that say yes, some others that say no,

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Speaker 1: and it's become extraordinarily controversial. Can you just talk about

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Speaker 1: what we know about i've remeactin and why it has

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Speaker 1: become so controversial, to the point that YouTube in particular

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Speaker 1: has been banning some of the content and some of

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Speaker 1: the discussion around this potentially effective drug for treating coronavirus. So,

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Speaker 1: along with you know, dozens of other potential cures, researchers

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Speaker 1: began looking at all sorts of possibilities for treating COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen last year, and one among the very many was

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Speaker 1: an anti parasitic drug that's a wonder drug in many

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Speaker 1: other respects, This thing called ivermectin, which has been crucial

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Speaker 1: in helping eliminate essentially diseases like river blindness. It's extremely

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Speaker 1: effective against almost every form of sort of parasitic disease,

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Speaker 1: and some people tried it in sort of small scale

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Speaker 1: experiments involving COVID. There was an early study that showed

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Speaker 1: that it had in vitro results in reducing the amount

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Speaker 1: of virus, which meant essentially that it works in a

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Speaker 1: test to a situation and has absolutely no practical application,

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Speaker 1: but it's like slightly promising. From that study, some doctors

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Speaker 1: started prescribing it, you know, sort of off label to

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Speaker 1: patients as a last resort in some cases, and some

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Speaker 1: said they believe they saw results, and it started to

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Speaker 1: And what happened was by fall of last year, there

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Speaker 1: were a number of studies that were being undertaken, and

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Speaker 1: there were a few people who were such advocates for

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Speaker 1: it that they started to say that this was definitely

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Speaker 1: a cure, or that it was potentially a miracle cure.

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Speaker 1: And that's when YouTube started cracking down. In particular, they

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Speaker 1: cracked down on a doctor named Pierre Corey who testified

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Speaker 1: before the Senate, and they actually took down senate testimony

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Speaker 1: when he used language he called it a miracle treatment,

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Speaker 1: which I think was probably what initially triggered them, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think that surrounding all of this is this

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Speaker 1: look I don't like I said, I don't know a

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Speaker 1: goddamn thing about Crystal Myer both fully vaccinated modern it up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just to be very clear here and have been also

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Speaker 1: very I have emphasized here that I think people should

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Speaker 1: go out and get vaccinated. All that being said, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how we can have so much hubris at

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Speaker 1: this point, especially after the lab leak theory, to say

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Speaker 1: this is definitively true. This is definitively false, to the

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Speaker 1: point where we are willing to censor actual doctors talking

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Speaker 1: about medical information. Now. I listened to the full Brett Weinstein,

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Speaker 1: Pierre Corey, Joe Rogan podcast, and I came away from

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Speaker 1: that thinking that a grave injustice has been done. And

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Speaker 1: once again I have no idea if ivermectin is you

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Speaker 1: know you, is useful or not against COVID. The discussion

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Speaker 1: does seem to be something that is worth it, especially

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Speaker 1: if it has been useful at least according to them,

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Speaker 1: to some people in India and some people in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: I think from approaching it from the angle of you

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Speaker 1: guys screwed up lab leak, Are you so sure you

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Speaker 1: want to start censoring again? Seems to be the best

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Speaker 1: defense against this man. Yeah, and I think what's happened

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Speaker 1: to this drug is that it's become sort of a

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Speaker 1: full chrum for a larger debate between populist and anti

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Speaker 1: populist for lack of a better term, it's acquired the

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Speaker 1: nickname of a populist treatment because all around the world

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Speaker 1: there are people who are self medicating with ivermectin, especially

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Speaker 1: in South America. In some cases, governments are actually giving

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Speaker 1: the drug out or foundations are giving them out by

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Speaker 1: the tens of thousands doses of this stuff, and the

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Speaker 1: medical authorities see I think this issue as a proxy

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Speaker 1: for a larger debate over how much control patients should

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Speaker 1: have over their own treatment. Should people be allowed to

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Speaker 1: essentially treat themselves, should they be allowed to order their

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Speaker 1: doctors to give them a drug. That's what this is

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Speaker 1: all about, and what's frustrating about it is that I

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Speaker 1: think when YouTube or Facebook cracks down on the speech

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Speaker 1: surrounding this, you know, a topic like this, it only

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Speaker 1: fuels the resentment and mistrust of medical authorities and makes

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Speaker 1: people even more likely to go out and self medicate

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Speaker 1: in a way that's probably that might not be productive.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's what I think. That's what I've been

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Speaker 1: focusing on with the story is is does any of

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Speaker 1: the censorship really accomplish anything positive? Probably not, It's not

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Speaker 1: logical in any way. But I also feel like because

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Speaker 1: sometimes you know, we I think we even made the

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Speaker 1: case that Twitter bands and Facebook bands and YouTube bands

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Speaker 1: they don't even work, right, they just because they just

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Speaker 1: they have strivees and effect, they draw even more attention

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Speaker 1: to the very thing that you want people to not

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Speaker 1: talk about. But even if that wasn't the case, I

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Speaker 1: still think, as Sager said, there should be a lot

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Speaker 1: of skepticism of these really air tight like we know

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Speaker 1: that this is debunked, We know that this is discredited

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Speaker 1: after the whole debacle of completely ruling out the lab

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Speaker 1: leak theory, which now looks more plausible. We still don't know,

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Speaker 1: but it's certainly a plausible potential explanation for how this

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Speaker 1: pandemic started in the first place. So even if the

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Speaker 1: bands were effective, because we've seen with Trump being banned,

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Speaker 1: I's been pretty effective and decreasing interest in him and

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Speaker 1: decreasing the spread of what he has to say. Even

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Speaker 1: if it's effective, it's a very problematic thing to do,

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Speaker 1: especially you know, YouTube, These aren't. These aren't scientists. They've

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Speaker 1: gotten it wrong in the past. The other thing I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about is like why this particular drug,

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Speaker 1: Why did this one thing become such a flashpoint. And

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Speaker 1: I think part of the context here too, that people

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Speaker 1: have been focused on is like big pharmaceutical companies. They

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Speaker 1: don't have a way to make a lot of money

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Speaker 1: off of this drug because it's a generic, So there's

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Speaker 1: a potential financial incentive to shutting down any discussion of

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Speaker 1: what's going on here. Yeah, answer the first question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I mean, you both know.

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Speaker 1: In journalism, we don't know anything. I mean, we're not experts,

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Speaker 1: and you know, at best, when when a story like

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Speaker 1: this breaks, or something like COVID breaks, we're scrambling. We're

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Speaker 1: calling experts as quickly as we can to get, you know,

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Speaker 1: some kind of explanation for what's going on. We don't

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Speaker 1: have the means to determine what's absolutely true and what isn't.

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Speaker 1: And you know, by the same measure, neither does Facebook

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Speaker 1: nor YouTube. I mean they they do not have the

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Speaker 1: expertise to be telling us what is correct and what

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Speaker 1: isn't correct. And so when they make decisions like this,

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Speaker 1: and they make mistakes like the Lablique thing. It only

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Speaker 1: underscores the fact that, you know, truth is a moving

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Speaker 1: target and you can't always hit it on the nose

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Speaker 1: right even if you if you have the best intentions,

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Speaker 1: it looks bad to try to clamp down on this

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Speaker 1: or that, because you can never be completely sure in

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Speaker 1: this business what's what's true and what isn't. So that's bad.

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Speaker 1: In terms of why this drug in particular, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons. Number One, when Trump said

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Speaker 1: he was on hydroxychlericquin it gave kind of the odor

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Speaker 1: of right wingness to any idea of using a repurposed,

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Speaker 1: cheap drug to combat COVID nineteen. And that's another thing

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Speaker 1: that I think is very frustrating is in this polarized

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Speaker 1: media landscape we have in some topics, things just kind

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01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: of become left or right and they lose their identity

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,839
Speaker 1: as anything else after that, and ivermectin sort of acquired

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Speaker 1: a reputation as something that Republican politicians were interested in,

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Speaker 1: and therefore I think it added to the degree to

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Speaker 1: which it's been clamped down upon. Yeah, and look like

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Speaker 1: we said, we don't know anything about the efficacy of this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about what doctor Weinstein is saying

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Speaker 1: around a lot of different stuff. I do know, I

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Speaker 1: think that in general, debate is probably a good thing,

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Speaker 1: and stifling it just seems to be incredibly orwelly in

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Speaker 1: regarding all of this. So, Matt, I am so thankful

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Speaker 1: that we have people like you who actually write about

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Speaker 1: this and say like, hey, what the hell is going

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01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,440
Speaker 1: on here? Because there's needs to be some actual journalistic

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Speaker 1: integrity investigation. It shouldn't just be a couple of people

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Speaker 1: on YouTube talking about it, like if we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: let's have a real debate. You want to ban something,

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01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: because banning something means that you know for sure that

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Speaker 1: you know something is not worth it, and if you can,

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Speaker 1: if you can prove that, then that's great. But as

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Speaker 1: far as I can tell, I have not seen any

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Speaker 1: proof with that regard yet. Yeah, and uh, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it makes everybody in the business look bad

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Speaker 1: when you have bands like this. Again, we absolutely don't

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Speaker 1: know what the answers are. Uh. And you know, with

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Speaker 1: something like one of the things that's scariest to me

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Speaker 1: is this idea of journalists being afraid to go near

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Speaker 1: a topic. Yes, because what ends up happening is you

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Speaker 1: get the self censorship situation where everybody kind of knows

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Speaker 1: where the line generally is, but nobody knows exactly where

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Speaker 1: it is. So what they'll do is they'll stay well

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Speaker 1: short of it, and the topics that are genuinely newsworthy

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Speaker 1: people will pull back from and just simply won't talk about.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's a serious problem. Yeah, I think I'm right.

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, this is scary. We were nervous covering

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Speaker 1: this with you today. There's no doubt about it. This

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Speaker 1: is our livelihood. But we have to do this, you know,

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: we thought the topic was important enough. Again, given all

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Speaker 1: of us saying we don't know whether ivermectin works or not,

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Speaker 1: listen to recommends on both sides of the debate, all

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Speaker 1: of that, don't just go out there and take ivermectin

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Speaker 1: for the hell of it. And by the way, we

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Speaker 1: think that the back we did, we feel great and

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Speaker 1: go get vaccinated. But this idea that you're talking about

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Speaker 1: of the self censorship, of the way that people are

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,919
Speaker 1: so nervous of the just hubris of censorship and banning

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Speaker 1: certain ideas and banning discussion on certain things from these

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Speaker 1: social media companies when just within the last year, those

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Speaker 1: you know, over the top proclamations of this is discredited,

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Speaker 1: this is debunked, et cetera, have been shown to be

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Speaker 1: completely hot. I think that's the piece that was really

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Speaker 1: important to talk about. Recommend everybody go and read your piece.

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Speaker 1: It's very thoughtful. As always, everybody, go and subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Matt on Subjack. Always great to have you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Matt, Thanks our pleasure. All right, everybody,

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