WEBVTT - In Honor of Breonna 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.720 You are listening to Wedding on Reparations, the productions of 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:14.600 My Heart Radio. Welcome to the show reperro fas just podcast. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:26.400 It's the podcast my Hoie, the podcast pot what's happening 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:34.200 to My name is Dove, Knife, R and B singers, croners. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:40.800 We're not, but we are wating our reparations certainly, And um, 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.680 how are you doing? Happy? You know what? Happy? Happy today? 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:46.040 I know you guys are gonna be here in this 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.519 like four days later, three days later or something like that. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:53.640 But Happy International Women's Day to you, Mariah. Thanks yeah, which, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:58.520 uh I guess, little Joan fact. International Women's Day started 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.760 off as International Working Women to Day, as a socialist 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:09.680 holiday to celebrate the international female proletariat. So shout out 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:16.120 to my my working class ladies everywhere showed out to 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.120 the pros, the hose and the pros like, what's up? 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.920 We see you, we see you? So yeah, I don't know, 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.840 uh lesser known. It's funny to see it get co 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.440 opted by uh like corporations and ship I don't know 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.560 if you saw, like on Twitter today there's this bot 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.480 that every time a corporation or like a company tweets 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.360 about international Women's Day, it will retweet it with the 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:45.039 pay gap between men and women at that company, and 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.560 likening is left and right have been like deleting their posts, 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.840 like I guess you're not going to celebrate women today 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.840 because we got called out? That a good thing? Though, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.000 isn't that like a good contribution though, Like isn't it 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.360 isn't that good information to know? Or no? Oh no, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.280 it's great, fabulous, Yeah, it's fantastic. I really appreciate that 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.480 someone took the time out to write that code. But uh, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.120 I mean I haven't been able to avoid like the 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.320 ads and the commercial breaks, Like every YouTube ad is 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.120 like theme like that I when I'm watching ship But 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:19.079 I mean it's it's always funny because it's like dudes. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.160 Whenever I hear like dudes like giving their shout out 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.840 to International Women's daying, it's like heads always give example 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.680 examples of women that they know personally, which I guess 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.880 is unavoidable. But I mean it's like it's definitely supposed 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.760 to be like a broader celebration. Like for me, it's like, yeah, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.560 you don't want to give a shout out to my 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:45.679 mom and you've annoyed the ship out of her for 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.120 your first eighteen, if not forty years of life. So 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.200 um next um oh yeah, I also shout out to 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.720 my godmother May Jamison. You know, yeah, we need to 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.200 do an episode on her this month. Oh we should? 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.120 You know we do? Yeah, those Women's History months all 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.280 month long. Yeah, I don't think, you know, it should 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:11.120 be Women's History Month everybody, the same way it should 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.840 be Black History Month every month. But you know, I 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.680 guess if things, if the conditions of society were such 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.760 that these things wouldn't have to be highlighted as months 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.720 for the first place, it would just be the way 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.400 things are and everything, you know, everyone would consider always 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:33.600 have this appreciation. Here's the thought, what if everything were 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.119 about black women all of the time, so it's both 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.120 of the things together and all of the time and 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.800 only that thoughts. I'm with it. I'm with it. I 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.920 think we're halfway on the way there, because I just 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.840 came back from the theater from seeing a movie that 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.760 had a real dope black woman in it. You know 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.720 what I'm saying. Ze Kravitz was whipping his asses a 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.400 catwoman in that new Batman. Joy. It was fire. He's 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.320 check it out. Remember when you remember when we're talking 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.200 about the matrix a couple of weeks ago or a 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:10.400 month ago or so, like it's the complete opposite of 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.560 the major So like, what do you mean good? Yeah, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.800 like good you know what I'm saying with like good 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.279 acting and that's still the opposite of bad. Like I'm 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.520 just checking in a point of view. You know, it 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.960 was not it was dope, though I recommend we I'll 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.600 gush over it. It's some other day. But women's Women's 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.919 International Women's Day. What are we talking about? So this week, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.560 you know, it's Women's History Month, It's Women's International Women's 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.680 Day today. So this week we're paying tribute to a 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:45.560 woman we lost almost two years ago to the day, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:50.800 Brianna Taylor um Last week her one of the officers 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.839 involved in her death, Brett Hankinson, was found was acquitted 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.240 of charges of wanted endangerment for shooting into her neighbor's apartment. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.240 It's not even four her murder, so his only consequences 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.680 he got fired, only consequences that they got fired. So yeah, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.600 we're gonna be talking a little bit about all of that, 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.840 revisiting the case, also talking a little bit about the 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.640 ratio of racial violence acains black women in terms of 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.800 just like Black Lives Matter movement, and then no Knock raids, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.000 which are still a thing now and ever worsening crisis 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.960 in some ways. If you look over the last couple 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.320 of decades and just kind of talk about like black 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.880 people's rights to defend ourselves or lack their own, you 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.680 know what, that just made me think of you saying that. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.280 So George Floyd died, Ranna Taylor died, and Marda Arebury died. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.720 Motherfucker is marsh for that whole summer, right, And two 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.400 years later people are still getting shot from No Knock awards. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.080 We didn't we weren't even able to change that, Whereas 0:05:55.279 --> 0:06:00.160 like the fucking January six, motherfucker's did their right it 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:05.200 they're legitimate, like assault on the state. And a year later, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.320 like thirty states have implemented all these ridiculous Republican laws 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.440 in anti voting legislation, and you're like that, see how 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.880 that ship works. It's just and that's one topic I 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.320 want to get to later on in the show is 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:24.200 like revolution fatigue of like a prettyular on the left 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.480 of like there's a catalytic moment and everyone takes to 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.360 the streets and then like nothing happens and everyone stops. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.560 I'm like, I think it's going to require a little 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.000 more persistence than that, people, and so like what do 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.920 we do about that question? But yeah, we're gonna get 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.800 into all of that today, but first we'll take a 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:53.840 little break and we'll be back after the jump. All right, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.120 ladies and gentlemen, party people in the place to be 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.039 are listening to waiting our reparations. We are back. So, Mariah, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.640 this case I didn't why is it? Do you think 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.720 that this didn't make the news like that? Do you 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.360 think it's because there's so much going on? Because truth 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.880 be told, I didn't know about this until we were 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.440 getting ready to uh do this episode, and I guess 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.800 I kind of fell into that malaise that everybody else 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.240 fell into where it's like, okay, Derek Chopin went to jail. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.080 I guess everything's gonna work itself out in this case 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.600 kind of went out of sight, out of mind. So no, absolutely, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.120 I feel like this has been This has garnered surprisingly 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.640 mute response. Little little I haven't seen it anywhere, I mean, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.280 like topic, I haven't seen a hashtag, nothing, Nope, nope, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.480 And like any other day, you know, people hashtag say 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.880 her name all that stuff, And yeah, I think that 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.920 does come down to what I talked about at the 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:56.600 top about like quote unquote like revolution fatigue. That's not 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.640 a good term for listeners. If you have a good 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.640 better term for that, holla me d MS on Instagram 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.440 or something revolutions though, I mean it's not it's not 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.200 the most flattering I guess phrase coming depending on your 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.880 point of view, but it sounds accurate. People a part 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.000 of this don't even aren't even about revolution. I don't 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.040 even think of what that either, because that sounds like 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.960 messy and auchi. But you know, it's all some people 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.560 out here like just want the ba the bare minimum, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.400 like no knockerdes to not happen anymore period, you know, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.680 and like we haven't even gotten that, but like it's 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.080 just it's so exhausting. I mean, and during at the time, 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.320 like white folks were getting made at the time, like 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.880 you know, upright to white folks were getting made fun 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.199 of for like talking about like ally ship fatigue, like oh, 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.480 I'm so tired of being an ally. I'm so exhausted 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.880 from being in the streets because it is traumatic, like 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.000 putting your body on the line against the cops, Like 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.120 what do I Am I gonna die today? I'm gonna 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.240 lose an eye to day? Am I gonna like cry today? 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.440 Am I gonna eat some fries that? You know what? 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.520 Like not knowing what's gonna happen, And so it's exhausting. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.600 It is austing, but contributing factor might be just some 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.320 of the ways in which we consume media now where 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.600 it's like everybody has a short attention span, and yeah, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.200 the twenty four hour news cycle doesn't help because there's 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.880 always a new calamity, like literally every single day, UM, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.480 there are increasing numbers of people who have utterly lost 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:24.120 faith in UM the criminal legal system like that. That's 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.679 you know, it's become a very mainstream understanding that justice 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:32.040 does not come through like the punishment bureaucracy, like after 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.800 a mod the mod are very verdict. You saw so 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.560 many like you know, Senator Warnock and like all these 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:44.480 like progressive organizations and politicians talking about how true justice 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.000 could not be gained through a verdict because true justice 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.400 would be a mod are very still being with us today. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.640 And the fact that people are willing to acknowledge that 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.400 now very mainstream figures people a lot of power. Just 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.160 shows how much the Overton window has shifted on this you, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:04.080 but it also explains why like kind of nobody, like 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.000 very few people have given a funk about this because 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.920 it's like, well, of course not like impunity remains the 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.880 status quo for police officers, like the overwhelming majority of cases, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.520 it took nationwide rioting in order for us to even 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:28.760 get um Derek Chauvin arrested, like protesting, but also like 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.600 I nation my protesting. But but I've been talking about 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.240 this lately. I think that non violence only works because 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.600 the implication of violence. So like non violence marching and 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.560 all that, ship only works because they're scared that you 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.640 will burn ship to the ground. They're like, oh my god, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.160 this mob. What if we don't appease them? And they like, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.600 you know, a store in the capital, right, and so yes, 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.600 peaceful protests, but also I imagine the the you know, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:04.920 burn ing up the third Precincts in Minneapolis, didn't you know. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.680 I'm sure that contributed somewhat to them being like, oh ship, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:12.280 we better fucking do something. Are weird. Definitely did definitely 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.800 did not at all advocating for those tactics, but I'm 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.840 sure it weighed heavily on their minds and they were like, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.840 do we actually hold the people accountable? What? Really don't? Right? 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.640 I really don't. Do you remember me enough that night 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.120 when that move when the precincting Minneapolis were burned down, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.040 like I felt like, I was like, wow, this is 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.719 a new day's here. I don't didn't want to wake 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.360 up to this day. But here we are coffee and 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.520 get on the bus. Well, we might be dropping the 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.120 lead a bit. So just to get everybody caught up 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.240 to speed, so exactly tell tell them what the situation 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.120 is with Rihanna Taylor's case. Okay, So I mean just 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:57.040 to review the facts. March Um, Jonathan Maddenly, Burt Haikison, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.439 and Miles Cosgrove, three agents of the Louisville Metro Police Department, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.640 forced entry into Brian Taylor's department and as part of 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.880 an investigation for drug dealing, and they thought her boyfriend 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.800 Um was the drug dealer. Her boyfriend thought the officers 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.120 were breaking in trying to you know, rob them or something, 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.520 and fired a warning shot at them. Um. The officers 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.880 fired through two shots in return, killing Taylor but on 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.000 but um Walker was uninjured, her boyfriend Tyler Walker, and 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:33.000 so UM in the aftermath, Walker was charged with I 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.720 think it was attempted murder, later dropped you know charges. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:42.600 But um, the Brent Hakison was brought up on UM 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.120 was indicted for wanted endangerment. So the a G the 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.559 Attorney General of Kentucky, did not give the jury the 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:55.079 option to um try him for any kind anything connected 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.280 with was already predetermined that that wasn't a crime, that's 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.600 not something make an indict him on. So they gave 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.079 the jury the option and the grand jury to bring 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.640 him up on charges of one daydreamant for endangering her 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:11.800 neighbors by firing randomly. Right. So um, that's where we 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.360 were at. UM up until about last week. We had 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.000 a bunch of you know rappers from Kanye Little Baby 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.440 donated and supported Brianna's family's legal team. She showed up 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.280 in a variety of songs, including Tiana Taylor's self directed 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.839 UM music video last year where she dressed up like 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.439 Brianna Taylor in her A M T uniform. It was 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.120 kind of like cringe, but like a thing that happened. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:41.080 But um, but yeah, so UM, here we are Brett 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.640 Hakison was fired. UM. The city of Louisville did agree 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.599 to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars and reform police practices. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.680 But UM, Ultimately Hankinson was acquitted of all of all charge. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:57.600 It's never charged with her death. Actually, UM, Miles Cosgrove 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.040 was often with her. Ballistics determined that he was the 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.600 actually the person that killed Brianna, but he was never 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:10.600 charged with anything. Brend Hagison acquitted of one endangerment. Only 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.880 only consequences he faced was being fired. And it's my 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.280 understanding the other two. Sure, let me look this up 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:23.440 a quick. I think the ELECTI still work for police department. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.440 Do you know, UM, when this verdict was reached or 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.680 when the when it was dropped or whatever? Um, the 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.480 first things first, let me see if this guy still 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:43.240 works for UM. He was acquitted UM four days ago. Okay, 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.080 so four days ago didn't even make a blip. I 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.600 didn't hear anything about that whatsoever. Um. Yeah, So I 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.520 mean this like all fits like a trend, like a 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.160 going trend of like during these you know, with all 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.320 of with the fervor that gets you know, the comes 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.040 up when these sort of incidents happen. It definitely seems 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.040 like there's an imbalance of the attention against when it 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.000 happens to a black woman as opposed to when it 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.720 happens to a black man. Now, I mean, it definitely 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.320 doesn't sound circumstantial because like the cases in the black 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.680 women are just as tragic and just as chaotic, more 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.880 newsworthy or whatever sensational, whatever you want to apply to it. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.280 That makes these things like big stories and people like 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.440 in the public lexicon and ship. So, I mean, what's 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.200 going on here? I mean, I do think it ultimately 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.080 is a matter of like of the media. I don't 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.680 think it's a case of like these communities themselves not 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.480 raising this issue and raising Hell, it's whether or not 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.800 it turns into a movement regionally or nationally, by whether 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.480 or not it's getting picked up by CNN and to 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:55.960 what degree the protests on the ground are getting covered. Um. So, like, 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.640 I just can't explain it any other way because particularly 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.320 with the way that they like contemporary incarnation of the 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.760 Black Lives Matter movement are really the whole time it's 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.600 been led by black women who have insisted that all 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:12.040 Black lives matter, centering trans folks and centering queer folks 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.800 and women and all like all of us. Um. But 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.800 really it's just I think I just think it comes 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.040 down to the media, what they report on, what stories 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.840 they think are important, um, and the way that then 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.120 allows these stories to catch fire in the public imagination 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:31.560 and inspire wider um um awareness and action. Because I think, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.360 for example, okay, so think about a mod are very 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.120 So people out in Brunswick were like raising, how about 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.720 a mod are very way before that video came out. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.600 They knew something was fucky about the whole situation, but 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.480 it wasn't until the video came out and that got 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.160 picked up by the national media and national pundits and 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.280 activists that that whole ship popped off because it got 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.560 into the national media um. And so I think that's 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.280 the case of a lot of these black women were 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.200 like around. I mean, the video is key. Unfortunately, like 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.880 people have to see it with their own eyes to 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.840 actually be upset about it. Um. Increasingly so now that 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.880 we are paying closer attention and also not because we're 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.080 all exhausted from how much attention be paid to it 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.280 in the last two years. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.960 I don't know how it's explained it. I mean, yeah, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.480 that's I think that's exactly what it is. It's like 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.320 it it's fucked up because like the video really is 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.200 the key. It's like, especially now, you know, people have 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.879 to have that visual stimulat. I mean, you know this, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.200 you make music, it's like you know, it's it's kind 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.800 of not even worth putting out us all unless you 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.280 have something visual for people to look at. Now, So 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.959 maybe there's something like that because our brains are geared 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.879 towards seeing that that when we see the MODBA you know, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:50.200 like you said, the mode auberating situation happened way before 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.480 anybody saw that tape, But seeing that tape is what 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.160 kind of spurned that and made that thing that went 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.720 into you know, the public consciousness and stuff. Same thing 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.320 with George Floyd, whereas we didn't have a tape or 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:05.680 Brianna Taylor and what would even be saying Brianna Taylor's 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.760 name today if George Ford hadn't been killed two months later, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.680 Like you know, we we heard about that ship, like 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.000 you know, her her death came days before the pandemic 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.439 really hit the United States, and folks were like, oh, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.240 that's sucked up and sad, But then I didn't do 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:24.680 anything until we watched George Floyd die. I mean you 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.720 know where I was there, you know, like I was 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.360 saying even back then, like I even wonder if any 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:31.960 of that ship would have happened if we weren't in 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.280 the pandemic, Like I'm mad, I'm not even sure about 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.720 that that I wanted to a degree as well, the 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.960 pandemic has influenced that sense of revolution fatigue, where like 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.200 people were also experienced pandemic fatigue, and like you know, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.439 at the time, we're like folks then felt like there 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.880 was no other option to hit the streets. Now there's like, well, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.200 you know, I'm vaccinated, but I'm not boosted, and like, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.720 you know, doing this dance around what's safe and what's 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.600 not in the more like a more thought full place. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.480 Then at the time we were like, don't you know, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.080 give me, give me the coronavirus. I'm out here, I'm 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.919 out here in these streets. I don't give a damn um. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.080 So what are some other cases that have Like I mean, 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.479 I know the one that happened in a Columbus, Ohio 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:21.879 with are you pronouncing McKay bryant? Oh? That was actually 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.199 she was in a like a fist fight in her 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:29.600 yard and that's how she got So also like whatever 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.560 happened with that, never heard about that again thanks to 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:37.800 national media. Appreciate you for that. But um, real quick though, 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.680 I wanted to bring up two other women that we're 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.160 killed that like note like people didn't like have never 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.160 talked about the same way they have talked about male 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:51.159 counterparts have a similar kind of death. So Ianna Stanley 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:55.119 Jones seven year old, um, you know cost bus in 0:19:55.160 --> 0:20:00.520 her house and actually shot her dead, no outcry whatsoever. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.600 Comparable with like Trayvon Martin that happened a couple of 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.760 years later, Like tray Bond was definitely like a like 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.840 a critical moment with like Black Lives Matter, I think 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.720 of like growing awareness, growing movement action nationwide in the 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.879 modern era. That probably kicked it off. I mean what 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.000 was that? It was like I would say that like 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.200 after that and then Mike Brown a couple of years 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.639 after that, that was kind of the start. Ferguson was 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:29.960 like the real like pop off. But yeah, but yeah, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.440 Trayvon was like the definitely planning the seeds of that 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:34.919 and then going even farther back. I mean, I got 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:36.800 a song on this of a new album that we 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.320 played on the tow last week talking about the killing 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.000 Natasha Harlan's shop sixteen year old girl, you know, shot 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.760 in the convenience store. The um killer like pretty much 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.399 got like a fine and like community service for like 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.840 murdering a teenager. Um and so on the ground, people 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.760 on the ground in Los Angeles. This was a big deal. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.399 This was fucked up. But it wasn't until the video 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.879 of any King getting his aspeat that like the l 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:09.280 A riots popped off. So I mean that that visual 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.399 element though, you know, like a visual element though, I mean, 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.119 you're right, You're right. I mean part of it is 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.840 seeing it with your own eyes. Um. Yeah, So we're 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:20.800 going through that again again, and we're still going through 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.440 ship with no knock warrants to this day. Um so 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.040 let's talk a little bit about what those are. I'll 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:31.159 let you take it. Talked a lot. No knocks are 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.560 issued under the belief that any evidence they hope to 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:37.320 find maybe destroyed between the time the police identify themselves 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.720 and the time that they secure the area, or in 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.040 the event of where a large perceived threat to the 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.760 officer's safety during the execution of a war. So in 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.760 other words, like you know, if they think somebody's gonna 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.359 go flush some drugs down the toilet, or if they 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.840 think that somebody's particularly dangerous at the minute that they 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:56.960 hear police that they'll pull out a gun and start 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.720 spraying at the door. Pretty much, it's like a paranoia 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.359 or fear that every situation they're going to get in 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.760 is going to turn into die hard partly, you know 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.760 what I'm saying. So, so that's that's that's kind of 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.440 you know, that's a layman's logic behind the idea of 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:20.040 a or not. So why is it so persistent? Why 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.520 do they use no knock so persistently? I mean, I 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.879 think it's to do with the militarization of the police 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.960 since the nineteen eighties, where it's just like because they can, 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.920 they will, because they've been given more tools, the flash 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.360 playing grenades and the and the armor and the drones 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.359 and all this ship they're just like, well we have it, 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:43.600 why not you know, and that um yeah, you know, LARPing, 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.520 you know, loving the power play or whatever. Um. Also 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.720 as a function of like creating dangerous situations for themselves 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.520 where there isn't actually a threat to like really to 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:59.520 like reinforce their own unders like their own beliefs about 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:01.800 how danger us the job is. So for example, like 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.480 you know, policing is not even in the top ten 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:09.240 most dangerous jobs in the country, most cops, most you know, 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:14.240 or like coronavirus, These COVID killed more cops than anything else, 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.879 than anything else, anything else, And so they're like, Okay, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.640 we need to create this really tense situation to make 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:27.440 ourselves feel scared, to like justify how scared feel about 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.040 this job. Yeah, person, like you know, inventing threats where 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.520 there are none. Um So, the use of no knock 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.800 worms increased substantially over time. By one estimates, there was 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:43.920 fift hundred annually in the eighties, whereas by there were 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.840 sixty thousand and seventy thousand no knocks or quick knock 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.520 rates conducted by local police annually, the majority of which 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:55.639 we're looking for marijuana. So they definitely just fucking just 0:23:55.960 --> 0:24:01.200 blow your mind. Yeah, we'd a plant I plan. I 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.159 could walk down the look, I can walk down the 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.840