1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: You are listening to Wedding on Reparations, the productions of 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. Welcome to the show reperro fas just podcast. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: It's the podcast my Hoie, the podcast pot what's happening 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: to My name is Dove, Knife, R and B singers, croners. 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: We're not, but we are wating our reparations certainly, And um, 6 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Happy? You know what? Happy? Happy today? 7 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: I know you guys are gonna be here in this 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: like four days later, three days later or something like that. 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: But Happy International Women's Day to you, Mariah. Thanks yeah, which, 10 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: uh I guess, little Joan fact. International Women's Day started 11 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: off as International Working Women to Day, as a socialist 12 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: holiday to celebrate the international female proletariat. So shout out 13 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: to my my working class ladies everywhere showed out to 14 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: the pros, the hose and the pros like, what's up? 15 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: We see you, we see you? So yeah, I don't know, 16 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: uh lesser known. It's funny to see it get co 17 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: opted by uh like corporations and ship I don't know 18 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: if you saw, like on Twitter today there's this bot 19 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: that every time a corporation or like a company tweets 20 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: about international Women's Day, it will retweet it with the 21 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: pay gap between men and women at that company, and 22 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: likening is left and right have been like deleting their posts, 23 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: like I guess you're not going to celebrate women today 24 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: because we got called out? That a good thing? Though, 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: isn't that like a good contribution though, Like isn't it 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: isn't that good information to know? Or no? Oh no, 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: it's great, fabulous, Yeah, it's fantastic. I really appreciate that 28 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: someone took the time out to write that code. But uh, 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean I haven't been able to avoid like the 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: ads and the commercial breaks, Like every YouTube ad is 31 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: like theme like that I when I'm watching ship But 32 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's always funny because it's like dudes. 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Whenever I hear like dudes like giving their shout out 34 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: to International Women's daying, it's like heads always give example 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: examples of women that they know personally, which I guess 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: is unavoidable. But I mean it's like it's definitely supposed 37 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: to be like a broader celebration. Like for me, it's like, yeah, 38 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to give a shout out to my 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: mom and you've annoyed the ship out of her for 40 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: your first eighteen, if not forty years of life. So 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: um next um oh yeah, I also shout out to 42 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: my godmother May Jamison. You know, yeah, we need to 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: do an episode on her this month. Oh we should? 44 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: You know we do? Yeah, those Women's History months all 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: month long. Yeah, I don't think, you know, it should 46 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: be Women's History Month everybody, the same way it should 47 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: be Black History Month every month. But you know, I 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: guess if things, if the conditions of society were such 49 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: that these things wouldn't have to be highlighted as months 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: for the first place, it would just be the way 51 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: things are and everything, you know, everyone would consider always 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: have this appreciation. Here's the thought, what if everything were 53 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: about black women all of the time, so it's both 54 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: of the things together and all of the time and 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: only that thoughts. I'm with it. I'm with it. I 56 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: think we're halfway on the way there, because I just 57 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: came back from the theater from seeing a movie that 58 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: had a real dope black woman in it. You know 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Ze Kravitz was whipping his asses a 60 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: catwoman in that new Batman. Joy. It was fire. He's 61 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: check it out. Remember when you remember when we're talking 62 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: about the matrix a couple of weeks ago or a 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: month ago or so, like it's the complete opposite of 64 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: the major So like, what do you mean good? Yeah, 65 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: like good you know what I'm saying with like good 66 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: acting and that's still the opposite of bad. Like I'm 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: just checking in a point of view. You know, it 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: was not it was dope, though I recommend we I'll 69 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: gush over it. It's some other day. But women's Women's 70 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: International Women's Day. What are we talking about? So this week, 71 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's Women's History Month, It's Women's International Women's 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Day today. So this week we're paying tribute to a 73 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: woman we lost almost two years ago to the day, 74 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor um Last week her one of the officers 75 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: involved in her death, Brett Hankinson, was found was acquitted 76 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: of charges of wanted endangerment for shooting into her neighbor's apartment. 77 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: It's not even four her murder, so his only consequences 78 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: he got fired, only consequences that they got fired. So yeah, 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking a little bit about all of that, 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: revisiting the case, also talking a little bit about the 81 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: ratio of racial violence acains black women in terms of 82 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: just like Black Lives Matter movement, and then no Knock raids, 83 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: which are still a thing now and ever worsening crisis 84 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: in some ways. If you look over the last couple 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: of decades and just kind of talk about like black 86 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: people's rights to defend ourselves or lack their own, you 87 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: know what, that just made me think of you saying that. 88 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: So George Floyd died, Ranna Taylor died, and Marda Arebury died. 89 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: Motherfucker is marsh for that whole summer, right, And two 90 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: years later people are still getting shot from No Knock awards. 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: We didn't we weren't even able to change that, Whereas 92 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: like the fucking January six, motherfucker's did their right it 93 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: they're legitimate, like assault on the state. And a year later, 94 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: like thirty states have implemented all these ridiculous Republican laws 95 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: in anti voting legislation, and you're like that, see how 96 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: that ship works. It's just and that's one topic I 97 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: want to get to later on in the show is 98 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: like revolution fatigue of like a prettyular on the left 99 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: of like there's a catalytic moment and everyone takes to 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: the streets and then like nothing happens and everyone stops. 101 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's going to require a little 102 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: more persistence than that, people, and so like what do 103 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: we do about that question? But yeah, we're gonna get 104 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: into all of that today, but first we'll take a 105 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: little break and we'll be back after the jump. All right, 106 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, party people in the place to be 107 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: are listening to waiting our reparations. We are back. So, Mariah, 108 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: this case I didn't why is it? Do you think 109 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: that this didn't make the news like that? Do you 110 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: think it's because there's so much going on? Because truth 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: be told, I didn't know about this until we were 112 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: getting ready to uh do this episode, and I guess 113 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: I kind of fell into that malaise that everybody else 114 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: fell into where it's like, okay, Derek Chopin went to jail. 115 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: I guess everything's gonna work itself out in this case 116 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of went out of sight, out of mind. So no, absolutely, 117 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: I feel like this has been This has garnered surprisingly 118 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: mute response. Little little I haven't seen it anywhere, I mean, 119 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: like topic, I haven't seen a hashtag, nothing, Nope, nope, 120 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: And like any other day, you know, people hashtag say 121 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: her name all that stuff, And yeah, I think that 122 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: does come down to what I talked about at the 123 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: top about like quote unquote like revolution fatigue. That's not 124 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: a good term for listeners. If you have a good 125 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: better term for that, holla me d MS on Instagram 126 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: or something revolutions though, I mean it's not it's not 127 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: the most flattering I guess phrase coming depending on your 128 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: point of view, but it sounds accurate. People a part 129 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: of this don't even aren't even about revolution. I don't 130 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: even think of what that either, because that sounds like 131 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: messy and auchi. But you know, it's all some people 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: out here like just want the ba the bare minimum, 133 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: like no knockerdes to not happen anymore period, you know, 134 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: and like we haven't even gotten that, but like it's 135 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: just it's so exhausting. I mean, and during at the time, 136 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: like white folks were getting made at the time, like 137 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, upright to white folks were getting made fun 138 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: of for like talking about like ally ship fatigue, like oh, 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm so tired of being an ally. I'm so exhausted 140 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: from being in the streets because it is traumatic, like 141 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: putting your body on the line against the cops, Like 142 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: what do I Am I gonna die today? I'm gonna 143 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: lose an eye to day? Am I gonna like cry today? 144 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: Am I gonna eat some fries that? You know what? 145 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Like not knowing what's gonna happen, And so it's exhausting. 146 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: It is austing, but contributing factor might be just some 147 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: of the ways in which we consume media now where 148 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: it's like everybody has a short attention span, and yeah, 149 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: the twenty four hour news cycle doesn't help because there's 150 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: always a new calamity, like literally every single day, UM, 151 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: there are increasing numbers of people who have utterly lost 152 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: faith in UM the criminal legal system like that. That's 153 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: you know, it's become a very mainstream understanding that justice 154 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: does not come through like the punishment bureaucracy, like after 155 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: a mod the mod are very verdict. You saw so 156 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: many like you know, Senator Warnock and like all these 157 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: like progressive organizations and politicians talking about how true justice 158 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: could not be gained through a verdict because true justice 159 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: would be a mod are very still being with us today. 160 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that people are willing to acknowledge that 161 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: now very mainstream figures people a lot of power. Just 162 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: shows how much the Overton window has shifted on this you, 163 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: but it also explains why like kind of nobody, like 164 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: very few people have given a funk about this because 165 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: it's like, well, of course not like impunity remains the 166 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: status quo for police officers, like the overwhelming majority of cases, 167 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: it took nationwide rioting in order for us to even 168 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: get um Derek Chauvin arrested, like protesting, but also like 169 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: I nation my protesting. But but I've been talking about 170 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: this lately. I think that non violence only works because 171 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: the implication of violence. So like non violence marching and 172 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: all that, ship only works because they're scared that you 173 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: will burn ship to the ground. They're like, oh my god, 174 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: this mob. What if we don't appease them? And they like, 175 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, a store in the capital, right, and so yes, 176 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: peaceful protests, but also I imagine the the you know, 177 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: burn ing up the third Precincts in Minneapolis, didn't you know. 178 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure that contributed somewhat to them being like, oh ship, 179 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: we better fucking do something. Are weird. Definitely did definitely 180 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: did not at all advocating for those tactics, but I'm 181 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: sure it weighed heavily on their minds and they were like, 182 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: do we actually hold the people accountable? What? Really don't? Right? 183 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: I really don't. Do you remember me enough that night 184 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: when that move when the precincting Minneapolis were burned down, 185 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: like I felt like, I was like, wow, this is 186 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: a new day's here. I don't didn't want to wake 187 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: up to this day. But here we are coffee and 188 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: get on the bus. Well, we might be dropping the 189 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: lead a bit. So just to get everybody caught up 190 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: to speed, so exactly tell tell them what the situation 191 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: is with Rihanna Taylor's case. Okay, So I mean just 192 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: to review the facts. March Um, Jonathan Maddenly, Burt Haikison, 193 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: and Miles Cosgrove, three agents of the Louisville Metro Police Department, 194 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: forced entry into Brian Taylor's department and as part of 195 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: an investigation for drug dealing, and they thought her boyfriend 196 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Um was the drug dealer. Her boyfriend thought the officers 197 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: were breaking in trying to you know, rob them or something, 198 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: and fired a warning shot at them. Um. The officers 199 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: fired through two shots in return, killing Taylor but on 200 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: but um Walker was uninjured, her boyfriend Tyler Walker, and 201 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: so UM in the aftermath, Walker was charged with I 202 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: think it was attempted murder, later dropped you know charges. 203 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: But um, the Brent Hakison was brought up on UM 204 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: was indicted for wanted endangerment. So the a G the 205 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: Attorney General of Kentucky, did not give the jury the 206 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: option to um try him for any kind anything connected 207 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: with was already predetermined that that wasn't a crime, that's 208 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: not something make an indict him on. So they gave 209 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: the jury the option and the grand jury to bring 210 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: him up on charges of one daydreamant for endangering her 211 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: neighbors by firing randomly. Right. So um, that's where we 212 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: were at. UM up until about last week. We had 213 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of you know rappers from Kanye Little Baby 214 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: donated and supported Brianna's family's legal team. She showed up 215 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: in a variety of songs, including Tiana Taylor's self directed 216 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: UM music video last year where she dressed up like 217 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor in her A M T uniform. It was 218 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: kind of like cringe, but like a thing that happened. 219 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, so UM, here we are Brett 220 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: Hakison was fired. UM. The city of Louisville did agree 221 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars and reform police practices. 222 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: But UM, Ultimately Hankinson was acquitted of all of all charge. 223 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: It's never charged with her death. Actually, UM, Miles Cosgrove 224 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: was often with her. Ballistics determined that he was the 225 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: actually the person that killed Brianna, but he was never 226 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: charged with anything. Brend Hagison acquitted of one endangerment. Only 227 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: only consequences he faced was being fired. And it's my 228 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: understanding the other two. Sure, let me look this up 229 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: a quick. I think the ELECTI still work for police department. 230 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Do you know, UM, when this verdict was reached or 231 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: when the when it was dropped or whatever? Um, the 232 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: first things first, let me see if this guy still 233 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: works for UM. He was acquitted UM four days ago. Okay, 234 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: so four days ago didn't even make a blip. I 235 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: didn't hear anything about that whatsoever. Um. Yeah, So I 236 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: mean this like all fits like a trend, like a 237 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: going trend of like during these you know, with all 238 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: of with the fervor that gets you know, the comes 239 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: up when these sort of incidents happen. It definitely seems 240 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: like there's an imbalance of the attention against when it 241 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: happens to a black woman as opposed to when it 242 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: happens to a black man. Now, I mean, it definitely 243 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: doesn't sound circumstantial because like the cases in the black 244 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: women are just as tragic and just as chaotic, more 245 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: newsworthy or whatever sensational, whatever you want to apply to it. 246 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: That makes these things like big stories and people like 247 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: in the public lexicon and ship. So, I mean, what's 248 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: going on here? I mean, I do think it ultimately 249 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: is a matter of like of the media. I don't 250 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: think it's a case of like these communities themselves not 251 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: raising this issue and raising Hell, it's whether or not 252 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: it turns into a movement regionally or nationally, by whether 253 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: or not it's getting picked up by CNN and to 254 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: what degree the protests on the ground are getting covered. Um. So, like, 255 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: I just can't explain it any other way because particularly 256 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: with the way that they like contemporary incarnation of the 257 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement are really the whole time it's 258 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: been led by black women who have insisted that all 259 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: Black lives matter, centering trans folks and centering queer folks 260 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: and women and all like all of us. Um. But 261 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: really it's just I think I just think it comes 262 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: down to the media, what they report on, what stories 263 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: they think are important, um, and the way that then 264 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: allows these stories to catch fire in the public imagination 265 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: and inspire wider um um awareness and action. Because I think, 266 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: for example, okay, so think about a mod are very 267 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: So people out in Brunswick were like raising, how about 268 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: a mod are very way before that video came out. 269 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: They knew something was fucky about the whole situation, but 270 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't until the video came out and that got 271 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: picked up by the national media and national pundits and 272 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: activists that that whole ship popped off because it got 273 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: into the national media um. And so I think that's 274 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: the case of a lot of these black women were 275 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: like around. I mean, the video is key. Unfortunately, like 276 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: people have to see it with their own eyes to 277 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: actually be upset about it. Um. Increasingly so now that 278 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: we are paying closer attention and also not because we're 279 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: all exhausted from how much attention be paid to it 280 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: in the last two years. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, 281 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's explained it. I mean, yeah, 282 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: that's I think that's exactly what it is. It's like 283 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: it it's fucked up because like the video really is 284 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: the key. It's like, especially now, you know, people have 285 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: to have that visual stimulat. I mean, you know this, 286 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: you make music, it's like you know, it's it's kind 287 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: of not even worth putting out us all unless you 288 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: have something visual for people to look at. Now, So 289 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: maybe there's something like that because our brains are geared 290 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: towards seeing that that when we see the MODBA you know, 291 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: like you said, the mode auberating situation happened way before 292 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: anybody saw that tape, But seeing that tape is what 293 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: kind of spurned that and made that thing that went 294 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: into you know, the public consciousness and stuff. Same thing 295 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: with George Floyd, whereas we didn't have a tape or 296 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor and what would even be saying Brianna Taylor's 297 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: name today if George Ford hadn't been killed two months later, 298 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: Like you know, we we heard about that ship, like 299 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, her her death came days before the pandemic 300 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: really hit the United States, and folks were like, oh, 301 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: that's sucked up and sad, But then I didn't do 302 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: anything until we watched George Floyd die. I mean you 303 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: know where I was there, you know, like I was 304 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: saying even back then, like I even wonder if any 305 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: of that ship would have happened if we weren't in 306 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: the pandemic, Like I'm mad, I'm not even sure about 307 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: that that I wanted to a degree as well, the 308 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: pandemic has influenced that sense of revolution fatigue, where like 309 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: people were also experienced pandemic fatigue, and like you know, 310 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: at the time, we're like folks then felt like there 311 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: was no other option to hit the streets. Now there's like, well, 312 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm vaccinated, but I'm not boosted, and like, 313 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, doing this dance around what's safe and what's 314 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: not in the more like a more thought full place. 315 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: Then at the time we were like, don't you know, 316 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: give me, give me the coronavirus. I'm out here, I'm 317 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: out here in these streets. I don't give a damn um. 318 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: So what are some other cases that have Like I mean, 319 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: I know the one that happened in a Columbus, Ohio 320 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: with are you pronouncing McKay bryant? Oh? That was actually 321 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: she was in a like a fist fight in her 322 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: yard and that's how she got So also like whatever 323 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: happened with that, never heard about that again thanks to 324 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: national media. Appreciate you for that. But um, real quick though, 325 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up two other women that we're 326 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: killed that like note like people didn't like have never 327 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: talked about the same way they have talked about male 328 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: counterparts have a similar kind of death. So Ianna Stanley 329 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Jones seven year old, um, you know cost bus in 330 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: her house and actually shot her dead, no outcry whatsoever. 331 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: Comparable with like Trayvon Martin that happened a couple of 332 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: years later, Like tray Bond was definitely like a like 333 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: a critical moment with like Black Lives Matter, I think 334 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: of like growing awareness, growing movement action nationwide in the 335 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: modern era. That probably kicked it off. I mean what 336 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: was that? It was like I would say that like 337 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: after that and then Mike Brown a couple of years 338 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: after that, that was kind of the start. Ferguson was 339 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: like the real like pop off. But yeah, but yeah, 340 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: Trayvon was like the definitely planning the seeds of that 341 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: and then going even farther back. I mean, I got 342 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: a song on this of a new album that we 343 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: played on the tow last week talking about the killing 344 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: Natasha Harlan's shop sixteen year old girl, you know, shot 345 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: in the convenience store. The um killer like pretty much 346 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: got like a fine and like community service for like 347 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: murdering a teenager. Um and so on the ground, people 348 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: on the ground in Los Angeles. This was a big deal. 349 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: This was fucked up. But it wasn't until the video 350 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: of any King getting his aspeat that like the l 351 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: A riots popped off. So I mean that that visual 352 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: element though, you know, like a visual element though, I mean, 353 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. I mean part of it is 354 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: seeing it with your own eyes. Um. Yeah, So we're 355 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: going through that again again, and we're still going through 356 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: ship with no knock warrants to this day. Um so 357 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about what those are. I'll 358 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: let you take it. Talked a lot. No knocks are 359 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: issued under the belief that any evidence they hope to 360 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: find maybe destroyed between the time the police identify themselves 361 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: and the time that they secure the area, or in 362 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: the event of where a large perceived threat to the 363 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: officer's safety during the execution of a war. So in 364 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: other words, like you know, if they think somebody's gonna 365 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: go flush some drugs down the toilet, or if they 366 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: think that somebody's particularly dangerous at the minute that they 367 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: hear police that they'll pull out a gun and start 368 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: spraying at the door. Pretty much, it's like a paranoia 369 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: or fear that every situation they're going to get in 370 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: is going to turn into die hard partly, you know 371 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, so that's that's that's kind of 372 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, that's a layman's logic behind the idea of 373 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: a or not. So why is it so persistent? Why 374 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: do they use no knock so persistently? I mean, I 375 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: think it's to do with the militarization of the police 376 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: since the nineteen eighties, where it's just like because they can, 377 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: they will, because they've been given more tools, the flash 378 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: playing grenades and the and the armor and the drones 379 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: and all this ship they're just like, well we have it, 380 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: why not you know, and that um yeah, you know, LARPing, 381 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, loving the power play or whatever. Um. Also 382 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: as a function of like creating dangerous situations for themselves 383 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: where there isn't actually a threat to like really to 384 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: like reinforce their own unders like their own beliefs about 385 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: how danger us the job is. So for example, like 386 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, policing is not even in the top ten 387 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: most dangerous jobs in the country, most cops, most you know, 388 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: or like coronavirus, These COVID killed more cops than anything else, 389 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: than anything else, anything else, And so they're like, Okay, 390 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: we need to create this really tense situation to make 391 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: ourselves feel scared, to like justify how scared feel about 392 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: this job. Yeah, person, like you know, inventing threats where 393 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: there are none. Um So, the use of no knock 394 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: worms increased substantially over time. By one estimates, there was 395 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: fift hundred annually in the eighties, whereas by there were 396 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: sixty thousand and seventy thousand no knocks or quick knock 397 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: rates conducted by local police annually, the majority of which 398 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: we're looking for marijuana. So they definitely just fucking just 399 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: blow your mind. Yeah, we'd a plant I plan. I 400 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: could walk down the look, I can walk down the 401 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: street smoke at a joint full of dried tobacco plant 402 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: and that's cool. But if that dried plant is weed, 403 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I can be put into metal shackles, strip searched, deprived 404 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: of sunlight, um, deprived of contact with my family, Like 405 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: what the what? What? What? What are we still doing? 406 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: Even even if you wanted to, like let's say you 407 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: just even if you wanted to give an inch to 408 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: the argument and be like, Okay, no, you you might 409 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: need this, you know, for the things that you encounter 410 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: when you're you know, serving a warrant or whatever. Even 411 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: just thinking about, like from a practical nature, like if 412 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: it were to go wrong, the repercussions of that with 413 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, that should influence several hundred 414 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: thousand judges to not give out sixty and seventy thousand 415 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: of these damned things in a year, you know what 416 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you burst them the wrong person's ship obviously, 417 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: like you drop a flash bang in a baby's crib, 418 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: blind them, You go into something, you see somebody on 419 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: the couch, they're surprised, you shoot them. Everybody. There's three 420 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: hundred million guns floating around the country. Everybody's got one. 421 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: And then you're getta like burst into my house. And 422 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: in my house that is like you're just gonna burst 423 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: in That's what's crazy, is that, Like, that's how you 424 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: that's how you know that the ship is not happening 425 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: to people who quote unquote matter because if they had 426 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: to live with even the possibility of the threat, if 427 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: there was even the possibility of the threat, then a 428 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: swat team could bust into Elon Musk house accidentally and 429 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: spray them up or spray ups you know what I'm saying, 430 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: Like they wouldn't be doing that ship. Now, you're right though, 431 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: You're right though, and like our our right to like 432 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: what is our right to defend ourselves. They had an 433 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: episode on this recently, but like and one of these, 434 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: well it wasn't a super recent case. I think it 435 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: was two thousand six, but two year old lady Katherine 436 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: Johnson here in Atlanta assumed her home was being invaded 437 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: during a no knock raid and tired a warning shot 438 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: over the officer's head. Has anyone ever do if there 439 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: as their house is getting busted too? But police fired 440 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: thirty nine shots in response, five of which hit this 441 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: ninety two year old lady and one of the officers, 442 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: who was Atlanta convicted of planning three bags of marijuana 443 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: in her home and then the others. I mean, this 444 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: is a rare case. Why you're saying the next one? 445 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I need to find out what the hell happened to 446 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: those cops. No, so okay. So one of the officers 447 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: was convicted for planning weed in their house, and then 448 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: the other officers involved the raid UM were convicted of manslaughter, 449 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: of making fall statements, conspiracy to bylight civil rights um 450 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: result saying in someone's death, feel like that they were 451 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: actually held accountable for this, but like nothing's gonna bring 452 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, their grandma, their mom, their neighbor. They're like, 453 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: you know the old church lady that brings the fruit, 454 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: bread or whatever like that she's dead and so like 455 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: it's a banana that she was, like that I want 456 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: to bring into her house. So she fired a warning 457 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: shot and they just like literally unloaded with Like does 458 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: that sound like anyone who is trying, like who's number 459 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: one priority is like protecting life and protecting the peace 460 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: and trying to make sure that nobody gets her? Does 461 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of yah who's firing letting off thirty nine rounds? 462 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: Is that? You know what I mean? I'm not like 463 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: I've never been an operator or a military guy or 464 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: anything like that. But that sounds like, hey man, if 465 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: if you don't want to like hit somebody who doesn't 466 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: deserve to be hit, like would you just go into 467 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: somewhere shooting thirty nine times? Or or if you're so 468 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: petrified that like you heard a gunshot, warning shot or no. 469 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: And this is all of this what I'm saying is 470 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: why I'm not a cop. But it's like, if you 471 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: hear a gunshot, warning shot or no, in your immediate 472 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: response is to just unload your gun in a direction 473 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: until it's empty. That doesn't that doesn't sound like good 474 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: police work. I mean yeah, And that's why I've increasingly 475 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: come to refer to police and prison supremacy in this 476 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: country that like this, like policing in prisons matter more 477 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: than like anything like collateral damage of like killing a 478 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: child or in person falsely and you know, um, imprisoning 479 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: someone for decades um for a crime it didn't commit, 480 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: Like none of the ship matters. Um. The thing that 481 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: matters most is like keeping the system propped up protecting 482 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: the people that are killing the people, Like that's the 483 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: number one thing. And so like the term supremacy invokes 484 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: usually you here in in in relation to like white supremacy, 485 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: and they are interlinked. But it's like a way to 486 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: refer to the way to the mattering of these institutions 487 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: more so than human life. That someone protecting yourself. Like 488 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: if I, for some reason it was a police officer, 489 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: I would be like, all right, kill me before I 490 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: gotta kill you. What I mean, Like, I'm here to 491 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: protect and serve the public. I'm willing to, like actually 492 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: willing to lay down my life, Like if someone I 493 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: think it's firing warning shot, like because I'm breaking into 494 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: their house and they shoot me, Like that is the 495 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: a's part of the duty, Like I wanted to be 496 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: that way that situation should rise, but it's literally the job. 497 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Is Like the whole entire idea behind 498 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: a police officer being a hero or you like having 499 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: like the like being like a heroic figure in society 500 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: is based on the like premise that you're endangering your life, 501 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: that you're sacrificing your life and your well being in 502 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: your safety for the good of everybody else, Like a 503 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: police job is supposed to be I'm gonna risk my 504 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: life to protect everybody else, Not I'm gonna risk everybody 505 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: else's life so I can feel safe. I can fuck 506 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: do that ship. Yeah you know what I mean, don't 507 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: let me do it. Yeah, I'm five six a hundred 508 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: thirty five pounds when I have changed in my pocket. 509 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: Like yeah, if like, if I get into any sort 510 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: of like scuffle or altercation, I'm fighting for my life. 511 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: You'd rather be just I don't know, you know, I 512 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: don't want to be clear because I don't want to 513 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: like talk about whose lives matter. More like in this instance, 514 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: it's it's really that this is an avoidable situation. Like 515 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: they were coming after this little while with lady for weed. 516 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: Next case we're gonna talk about they're coming after the 517 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: guy for like fifty dollars worth of meth. Much like 518 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: got this bad? Really wish people weren't doing that. But 519 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: also like these situations don't have to arise at all 520 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: if we treated this like the public health crisis that 521 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: it is with regards to more serious, more serious substances 522 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: than wed because weed is not even a problem at all. Um, 523 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's bananas. It's bananas. We live in a 524 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: police supremacist state. But to move on to another story 525 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: from Georgia, another pleasant one. Actually this is oh this 526 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: is a lot. But Cornelia, Georgian Um, a police informant, 527 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: alleged that he bought fifty bucks worth of meth from 528 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: this thirty year old dealer at a residence belonging to 529 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: his mother. Um wan is Dona Teva. No, I don't want. 530 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to kind of want to. Don't want 531 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: to say because I'm messing up. I think. I mean 532 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: we try, Okay, one is don't Yeah, I don't know. 533 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: I just to keep over it. So this man did 534 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: not proside at the house. Um, but you know who did? 535 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: A family with four young children. So uh Sheriff's deffie 536 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: for Cornelia secure to know not warrant um and uh 537 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: you know just apparently woke up the county magistrate at 538 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: his house and like making false statements to him to 539 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: secure the warrant. But in any case, they executed the 540 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: warrant throwing a flash band grenade into a room containing 541 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: a nineteen month old child. Um. The grenade exploded in 542 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: the child's playpen, causing severe burns and other life certaining 543 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: injuries that ultimately required the child to be placed into 544 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: a medical coma, and received more than one million dollars 545 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: in surgery. So this became a subject of a lawsuit 546 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: against the police department to pay for the medical bills. Um. 547 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, the legal case argued that like there's literally 548 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: like a child plastic pool in the yard and packaging 549 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: for the play plan playpen, that the infant was sleeping 550 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: in next to the door that the police came in, 551 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: and like there was literally like evidence everywhere on their 552 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: approach that they are a children, but children lived in 553 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: this house. Um, Like, what kind of gross negligence could 554 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: you imagine beyond this? I'll tell you what type of 555 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: GRESSI negligens is they don't recognize that as being a 556 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: human child. Let's just keep it all right. It's depends 557 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: on the neighborhood they're in and where the cops who 558 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: are doing the ship are front. You know what I'm saying. 559 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: If they're walking, if they're in a black neighborhood or whatever, 560 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: and they see a kids pool, that doesn't register to 561 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: those dudes who are all geared up in their ship 562 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: with their MP five ready to go, Like they're not thinking, oh, 563 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: there's there's children running around. That's just what it comes 564 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: down to. It's like a lack of like it's like 565 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: a lack of empathy fee like you know what I'm saying, 566 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: like a lack of recognizing the humanity and others really plainly, 567 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: plainly yeah yeah. And the way that fear points into 568 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: that and to sort of say, well, I fear from 569 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: my life to just completely erased and minimize any sorts 570 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: of situational awareness or concern for other human life that 571 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: comes into a situation like this, where like if you're 572 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: scared enough, you can say like, oh, well I was, 573 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, terrified, and so I didn't see the child's 574 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: plastic pool in the yard. And it's like because the 575 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: police supremacy is like, oh, that's a that's a that's 576 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: a you know, a good enough, yeah, good enough excuse. 577 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: You're cool and things are bad, things are bad enough 578 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: if you even just say, hey, shit happens, you know 579 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like even even just chalking stuff up 580 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: to hey, this is their job. Sh It happens, and 581 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, it sucks that that little girl got burned 582 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: or that person had to die or whatever. But like 583 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: even doing that is and this is how you know, 584 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: conservatives and right wingers are full of shit about it. 585 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: But even doing that is like making the like the 586 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: mental lead that people generally aren't like really that corrupt 587 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: that heart or at nature, which is like the whole 588 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: conservative like mindset. So you're let you're giving police in 589 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: general in these institutions all this power and all this 590 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: unaccountability and you're not even factoring into it, Like, Yo, 591 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: what if what if some of this ship was deliberately done? 592 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, you've had 593 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: you've had gangs, gang units busted and cops doing illegal stuff. 594 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: You had you had cops arrested for they're selling drugs. 595 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: You've had the cops cover up murders and stuff like that. 596 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: So like, let police like have this sort of like 597 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: to have let them have this power is assuming that 598 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, somebody won't use the excuse of a no 599 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: not warrant to make a hit on someone, thinking about 600 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: like a civil asset forfeiture and their ability to just 601 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: like steal stuff from people. Swatting Yeah, yeah, all that 602 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: ship um just like yeah calling in swat hits on 603 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: people like oh, this person is making a bomb. So 604 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: you can like here's a question if somebody, let's say 605 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: somebody called let's say somebody swatted someone else, right, and 606 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: the cops. You know, the cops did they're no, they're no, 607 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: not thing or whatever. In some in the homeowner got 608 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: shot and they found out who the person was who 609 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: called in that swatting. Would the district attorney try that 610 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: person for murder? No, because it enabled them to like 611 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: because going in there just like an out of controlled 612 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: death squad. Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a way 613 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: in which like, yeah, I don't know, I am am 614 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: I making some am I saying? Am I saying that 615 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: clear enough? But maybe I didn't know, And I don't know. 616 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know like case history about whether 617 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: that has ever happened. I don't think it has happened, 618 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: But I think I think the day that that happens 619 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: is gonna be one hell of the case. Well, I mean, 620 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say for certain, but 621 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: like it just it feels to me that if a 622 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: district attorney can press charges on someone for attempted murder 623 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: for them calling the cops on somebody else, like you 624 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: kind of you know what I mean, Like you're it's like, yeah, 625 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: what else did you expect the cops to do except 626 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: go kill that person? It's pretty much homeboy. Yeah. But um, thankfully, 627 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: the county did end up paying this family three point 628 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: six million dollars, including UM one point six billion for 629 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: pain and suffering, so the child surgeries were covered. But 630 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: the search yielded no drugs, no drug drug dealer, no weapons, 631 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: and the grand jury in Happerston County UM declined to 632 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: indict any of the participants in this raid. UM though 633 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: ultimately the federal federal prosecutors did secure an indictment against 634 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: one of the deputies, but then she was acquitted by 635 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: any wrong for any wrongdoing. Uh So it's like back 636 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: and forth like, oh, maybe the fans will do it. Oh, 637 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: the fans aren't gonna do it all maybe no, no, no, 638 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: no no, And it just comes down to money. They're 639 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: just like, oh, here's some money for all your pain 640 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: and suffering and a lifetime of trauma. Have a good time. 641 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't it doesn't ring back what you lost. 642 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: You know what might cut down on police brutality if 643 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: like someone makes uh strong effort to go after prosecute 644 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: prosecutor misconduct and stuff. You know what I'm saying, Like, 645 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: if if prosecutors have to start paying like gigantic fines 646 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: or they start losing you know, they're there ability to 647 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: practice law or ship like that when when like cases 648 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: that they tried turns out the person was innocent, you 649 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, or that they unfairly went after. 650 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,760 Speaker 1: I think you can probably bring a several suit against 651 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: someone for like wrongful conviction. I don't know, I need 652 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: to not talk about you. I don't know about I know, 653 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that, but um no, yeah, but like 654 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: if you're like paying fine, paid a fine to who 655 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: a higher chord that's also super corrupt, Like I don't know, 656 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: it's it's turtles all the way down. Man, It's fucked up. 657 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: It's not it's m well, um, let's take a little 658 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: break and then let's come back with some final thoughts 659 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: on this issue, because you know, we we definitely don't 660 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: want to keep it all doom and gloom and stuff 661 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: like that. So we will take a break and we'll 662 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. Dope. 663 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: Nice La Franco waiting on reparations. You know what it is? 664 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: So Mariah, what are you? What are your parting thoughts 665 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: on this? Like? What what can I mean? What can 666 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: we do? I don't even want to ask, like, what 667 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: can we do to bring awareness to the sort of thing, because, 668 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: like you said, it's not about Wayne, which case matters more, 669 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: And like a lot of that stuff, you know, you 670 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: can't really control it. Some thing's for you know, for 671 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: good or bad. Like some things just like catch the 672 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: public's attention in public eye comes out the right time, 673 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: the right moment and the right context and whatever. So 674 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: what are some of the things that people can do 675 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: just generally to raise awareness about these cases that slipped 676 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: through the cracks in general? Well, I think what this, 677 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: all of this tells us that no one remembers Iron 678 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: Stanley Jones, that people didn't talk about a mirror lock 679 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: twenty year old killed in a no knock raid maybe 680 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: about a month ago in Minneapolis. Minneapolis the police department, 681 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: which is like notoriously one of the most corrupt and 682 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: violent in the country. Like, raising awareness isn't doing it. 683 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: I think that when we come back to this question 684 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: of like quote unquote revolution fatigue, where people are just 685 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: so tired of hearing about it, sadly is that folks 686 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: who were new to this and have been more aware 687 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: of it ever since and trying to struggle against it 688 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: even if superficially did not have robust resiliency practices in 689 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: place to carry them through how long this fight will 690 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: require of us? So, um, folks, just we are throwing 691 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: themselves out there every single day and giving themselves p 692 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 1: atsd getting you know, getting secondary drama from like watching 693 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: all this death on social media and they didn't have 694 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: like just living in a capitalist like society. Don't we 695 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: lean on consumerism to make us feel better by like, oh, 696 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: let me order some uber eats, let me watch the 697 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: next episode of euphoria, let me buy a new hoodie 698 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: on you know, Instagram shop, which is what I do. 699 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: I have a retail therapy problem. Yeah check out Yeah 700 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: where in my like for for everyone collective to reabilitate 701 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: the carcerat shirt because that was to make me feel 702 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: better when I'm tired and sad. But um, so yeah, 703 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: we don't know how to just care for each other 704 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 1: like deeply, and um we need to build that kind 705 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: of practice in order to sustain our engagement with with 706 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: the truth. You know, people raise awareness and people. For 707 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: us to truly continue to engage with it, we have 708 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: to be ready to by like being in a deeply 709 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: grounded place. I think there's additional value to that in 710 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: that some like folks of like an abolitionist strain, they 711 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: don't funk with the state at all. They like, the 712 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: government ain't never gonna get us free. I kind of 713 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: get it. Having worked in the government, I'm like, Wow, 714 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: this ship really isn't getting people free. That's weird. Um. 715 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: And so it's like it's us, we keep us safe, 716 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: that's it. And so thinking about that in terms of 717 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: like longevity of the struggle, like, all right, we're gonna 718 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: take care of each other to help us get through 719 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: this because we've gotta keep fighting. But also if the 720 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: state's not gonna give you the substance of you s 721 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 1: treatment or the mental health counseling or the community garden 722 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 1: or whatever you need to promote community stability, you go 723 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: out and do that. Shape yourself so bold in terms 724 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: of like a like a practice to keep yourself sane, 725 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: and also a way to minimize the reach of like 726 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: state violence by just being like, you know, we don't 727 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: even need to We don't. We don't even need five 728 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: of them around here. We like do our own thing. 729 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: We're good. Um, It's like a way forward that I think, Um, 730 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: it's worth considering because I don't know, I think right 731 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: when is it's getting raised, that's just getting retweets or whatever, 732 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: and it has the five minute segment on CNN. But 733 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: those people don't know how to like be well enough 734 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: to keep it, to keep engaging, to keep acting on 735 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: it because they're fucking quote quote tired. You know. Well, 736 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 1: one of the things that y'all can do is check 737 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: out the National Police Accountability Project and other organizations like that. Um, 738 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, see if there's any volunteering things you can do. 739 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: Retweet a post, donate, if you can stuff like that. 740 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: There's there's definitely people who are out there doing your work. 741 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: And you know, it's just like Mariah just said, it's 742 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: just gonna take like a collective consciousness to get these 743 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: things done. Ship, throw me some money if you throw 744 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: money around Venmo, Yeah about here every day, baby, I 745 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: need that over eats. I love consumerism. I need a 746 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: couple waiting on reparations. You know, we're always writing yeah 747 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 1: from Atrey month, like, bitch, what what are you doing? Well? Ship? 748 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean, right now is what they're doing. I can 749 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: hear it. Why why don't we vent it? Hey, why 750 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: don't we vent Let's let's get into some rapping. But 751 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: before we get into some rabbing, there's something I wanted 752 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: to talk to you about. I want to talk to 753 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: you about it, like while the show is on, not 754 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 1: like off anything like that, but we we've had this 755 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: idea like sort of like bubbling an exception since the 756 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: beginning of this podcast, and I kind of just want 757 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: to talk to you about it so that everybody can 758 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: hear us, because like I want them to anticipate it 759 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: to what we've been kind of talking about doing an 760 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: episode where we're completely rapping and whatever it is we're 761 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: talking about that the entire the entire topic of the episode. 762 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: We're going to discuss it in the form of rap. 763 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult and logistically challenging for 764 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: the two of us to do with our schedule, But 765 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: I know Mariah knows, and all the people who work 766 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: on this show knows that when we do get it, 767 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of fucking amazing. I have I have, 768 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: I have confidence in our team. We'll we'll get it right. 769 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: But anyway, y'all look out, that's to be something that's 770 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: gonna come soon. Maybe Mariah can do a poll as 771 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: to what the topic will be because of debate might 772 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: actually be the best way to go about it. Oh 773 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: like back, oh like ba yeah, rap debate about whether 774 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: hot dogs were a sandwich? And Mariah was pro when 775 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: when you were proer against? I think I was pro, 776 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,919 Speaker 1: And I also think I was pro and that I won. 777 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I think you want to 778 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: because who the hell thinks? Yeah, like, who the hell 779 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: thinks that hot dogs aren't a sandwich? Yeah? Well know 780 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: is that the other way around? I don't know. I 781 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: just know I was really upset that I lost for 782 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,800 Speaker 1: a couple of days. The real question of the ages 783 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 1: is whether or not cereal soup and but no, no, 784 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: hell that's with fly have flawless opinions. I'm dope, Knight. 785 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: Are we saying goodbye right now? Joe dropping me year 786 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: waiting on reparations? Yeah? I burned down trees like napalm bombs, 787 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,320 Speaker 1: weeding my jeans like great on, Sean, you come in 788 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,439 Speaker 1: with that wad ship where I'm from, you don't get 789 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: found to the seance done A brother spit like he's 790 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: mentally wild. Let's see the Army of the Dead Black folks, 791 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: and it's stressing me now. The tops the shop Yana 792 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be out. So when I say your name, 793 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: I ain't talking desk to the child in my hood. 794 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,439 Speaker 1: Every day as Women's Day, we don't go the crooked way. 795 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: How funk are right? When you can tell me what 796 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say, Mothers of the earth, you fuel give 797 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,800 Speaker 1: me my reparations, landing my goddamn celebrating women's history. And 798 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: so we want to give some mona to Brianna in 799 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: case he thought me for got it. Because the police 800 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: still roment. These co strets were not l taking whatever 801 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: they gotta say. They get a word, they pull up 802 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: on you with no notice. Scutts Cockton loaded with the 803 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: mothers smoking when they leave her to up in the 804 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: clothing According to India, Sofa where your son have been nappened? 805 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: Two years after we lost Bryanna, the Saint ship staint 806 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: hattant to be coming for the Chevrid, coming for the 807 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: deputies and the captain don't match. How long did it 808 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: takes me gonna be running and running winning this great sad? 809 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: All right, now we're done and I'm that was I'm 810 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: dope night and I'm gonna go eating soup, a k 811 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:36,359 Speaker 1: A bowl of Captain Flakes me next week by listen 812 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: to Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, 813 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts