1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. That's probably a combination of 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: adrenaline and probably a little bit of father on the 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: instinct too. Adam Walker says it happened so fast. On Friday, 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: Heat and his wife Sabrina were walking with their son 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Leo near seventeenth and Castro Streets when they passed a 6 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: mother with her young son. Shortly after we walked by her, 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: we heard her screaming, yelling for police for help, saying 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: that someone had taken her child. But at least say 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: thirty four year old Roscoe Holyoake grabbed the two year 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: old child and started running, but suddenly stopped. He put 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the toddler down, and he smiled at everybody and then 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: started sprinting. Without really thinking much about it, I just 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: took off for an after him. Wow. Can you imagine 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: being out with your toddler? How any times was I 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: out and about with the twins at barely able to 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: hold keep one in check and the other one would 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: run away. I was constantly running with little Lucy under 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: my arm like a football, chasing John David or vice versa. 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I actually practiced it. I would have to practice running 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: with two twenty pound weights in my hands, just running 21 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: as fast as I could, except the weights didn't wiggle 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: the way the twins would. I mean, I see, Grace. 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: Can you imagine this mom out and about with her 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: taught boy who's walking along beside her, is grabbed, grabbed 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: as a guy walks by and picks the boy up, 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: wraps his arms around the boy's rear end, throws a 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: smile back at the mom and takes off, running out 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: to John Linley, Crimelime dot Com investigative reporter, what happened, 30 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: john Nie? According to witnesses, this mother and her toddler 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: were walking hand in hand. And this is in the 32 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: busy Castro district in San Francisco on a Friday. And okay, 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: wait wait, wait wait wait, Now you know, John Linley, 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: my sister lives out the Saratoga area. It's just absolutely 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: breath day beautiful, no offense, Doctor Bethany Marshall. But it's 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: like it's a different state from la. It's just gorgeous. 37 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: There's the redwood trees there, there's San Francisco Bay. It's 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: like heaven on Earth. Now, explain to me. You said 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: it's a very busy Castro area. What is that a 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: tourist area? It is a very famous shopping area, a 41 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: lots of shops, restaurants, cafes and such, old records stores 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: and such. It's usually a diverse crowd of people there 43 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: in the Castro district, and it's one of those destinations 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: where when people go to San Francisco one of the places. 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Where is that in relation to Lombard Street? Is it 46 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: even close? It is not too terribly the peer, not 47 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: too terribly far away. I'm trying to think exactly in 48 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: the way of blocks and miles hell far away that 49 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: why was the mom there? Was she a tourist or 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: was she just out walking with her or her baby? 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: That part has not been revealed from police. We do 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: also very interestingly, you were talking about training for running 53 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: with the twins. This woman was doing double duty as well. 54 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: She was also carrying an infant in a front pack 55 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: while she was holding the hand her toddler. Yeah, I 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: understand that she was pushing a stroller. She had one 57 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: infant and like, I'm a baby, Bjorn, and you know 58 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: the things that attached to you. That's the way I 59 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: would carry the twins, and I mastered carrying both of 60 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: them in two separate baby born's at the same time. 61 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: And the little boy, the taught boy, was trailing along 62 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: behind her, like following her or maybe holding her hand, 63 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: and the mom was putting her mobile phone in her pocket, 64 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: which I talk about, Jackie, Jackie, listen to this. Do 65 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: not be distracted when you're out and about. Do not 66 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: fumble with your cell phone. Now I'm not saying she 67 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: was fumbled. She may have called somebody and was putting 68 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: the phone away, and that's when everything happened. She was 69 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: trying to put her cell phone back in her pocket 70 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: and turns around and sees this PERV who turns out 71 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: to be a very popular DJ, running off with her child. So, 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: John Litley, what happens, Well, this man just suddenly appears. 73 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: He begins tugging at the little boy, trying to get 74 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: him out of her mother's arms. And unsurprisingly, as we've 75 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: al already heard, the mother began to scream for help 76 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: from police, from anyone. But no matter how long or 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: how loudly she yelled or how tightly she held on 78 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: to the boy, the man would not let go of 79 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: her son, and he took off with the child and 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: the little boy's mother chase the man, screaming her head off, 81 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: and she's trying to chase him with the other baby 82 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: strapped to her. Ah. And you know, guys, I'm looking 83 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: at a photo of who we think the suspect is. 84 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: He looks like a millennial, not to stereotype. Doctor Bethany Marshall, 85 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: don't go off the deep end with me on this, 86 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: but you know he's I guess some people would think 87 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: he's Hampson handsome. I of course do not, because I 88 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: know he's a potential suspect. He's got kind of light 89 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: brown hair cropped close and his short hair cut the 90 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: sides or look a little bit shay, but not totally 91 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: up the side. He's got a well manicured beard close 92 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: to his face, well manicured mustache, and he's in a 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: pose like he's having a deep thought. He is a 94 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: very popular DJ. So here imagine in this tourist area, crowded, 95 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: nobody's helping her. The mom leaves a stroller and takes off, 96 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: running through the crowd with a baby strapped to her. 97 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Enter the hero joining me right now, Adam Walker. Man, 98 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Am I glad we tracked you down, Adam Walker. I'm 99 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: please to meet you over the airwaves. I hope to 100 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: meet you in the flesh someday. I've got to hear 101 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing. What happened. Yeah, so from from my perspective, 102 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: I was just walking down the street with my wife 103 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: and my four year old son. And is it true 104 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: you're a dentist. I am a dentist. Yes, I'm never 105 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: going to mock dentists again as long as I live, Jackie, 106 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: as you are my witness. Well, it's out of fear. 107 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: And the last time I went to the dentist, I 108 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: was sitting there and he went, you know, as on 109 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: one of your jury's right. I'm like, uh huh, I 110 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: didn't actually, but now I remember it was a bank 111 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: robbery and I actually had a convicted bank robber on 112 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: the jury, unbeknownst to me. And as I was looking 113 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: at him, I was wondering, was he the bank robbers 114 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: slash dentist? He was not. Let me say, but guys, 115 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: I have a hero dentist, which shatters all of our 116 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: myths about dentist. Okay, back to you, Adam, Sorry, tell 117 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: me the whole thing, no worries. So, so, yes, I 118 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 1: was I was walking down the street with my wife 119 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: and my four year old son, and uh, we turned 120 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: the corner and as soon as we turned the corner, 121 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the first thing we noticed was this young mother. Um. 122 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: You know, she looked, she looked busy. She has her 123 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: her infant child strapped to her chest. She was pushing 124 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: an empty stroller while holding onto the hand of her 125 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: her toddler and um. And shortly after we passed her, um, 126 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: we kind of heard, you know, a scream for help. UM. 127 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: You know, initially had started off as more of a 128 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, what are you doing? And then you know, 129 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, we saw a man who who was walking 130 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: very quickly by us, right next to us, holding onto 131 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: that that little toddler and um. And as he was 132 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: walking by, we noticed that the mom was still holding 133 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: onto the toddler's arm. So so they kind of got 134 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: into sort of a struggle kind of right in front 135 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: of us. And a second later, he, uh, he set 136 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: the toddler down and kind of looked in the general 137 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: direction of where we were. You know, we were kind 138 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: of in a crowd. There was a busy restaurant. You know, 139 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: we were renting the sidewalk there. A lot of people 140 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: were kind of looking at this point, and so you 141 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: kind of looked at everyone, sort of gave this brief 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: smile and then and then took off running. Okay, the 143 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: smile is really bothering me. To doctor Bethany Marshall, I 144 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: mean to look at this guy. I mean, okay, true, 145 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: he is wearing a kind of a weird shirt with 146 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: kind of a fake first dole over his shoulders in 147 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: this other picture I'm looking at but if you just 148 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: saw his head, you would think he looks kind of 149 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: like a model actually, and he's a very popular DJ, 150 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The smile. You're running away with this 151 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: lady's little boy, and you pause to flash a million 152 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: dollars smile and everybody before you take off. Well, we 153 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: think of child abduction as an of desperation fueled by perversion, 154 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: a sexual frenzy, a wish to dominate and control the child. 155 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: But in this case it seems also triumphant, like it's 156 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: a triumphal smile, like he now he has the child, 157 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: he has the goods. He feels that he has gained 158 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: control in the upper hand in the situation, and so 159 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: he smiled. This guy is enjoying this. This is not 160 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: a dark, frenzied act. In his mind, this is the 161 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: moment of joy. He has the pride and he's headed 162 00:10:35,559 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: off with it. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace put the 163 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: toddler down and he smiled at everybody and then started sprinting. 164 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: Without really thinking much about it, I just took off 165 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: for an after him. Walker chased the suspect for several blocks. 166 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Once the man saw that he was kind of corner, 167 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: he just gave up, put his hands in the air, 168 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: and at that point I went and grabbed him and 169 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, walked him over to the sidewalk. Neighbors called 170 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: nine one one. Holio from East Victoria Park, Australia, was 171 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: arrested on suspicion of kidnapping. Every parent's nightmare was a 172 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: horrible situation, horrible neighbors reacted to the scary news. Sabrina 173 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: is pretty proud of her brave husband. I'm so proud 174 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: of him, and I just I'm happy that that person 175 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: was caught, that no one was hurt. As a parent, 176 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: Adam says he didn't think twice about chasing down the suspect. 177 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: In that situation, you don't really think much about it. 178 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: He just kind of act with your heart, not so 179 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: much with your head. Right there in broad daylight, out 180 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: and about with her, taught boy who's walking along beside 181 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: her is grabbed, grabbed as a guy walks by and 182 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: picks the boy up, wraps his arms around the boy's 183 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: rear end, throws a smile back at the mom and 184 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: takes off running. Stephen Lampley Detective. You can find him 185 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com. With me. Doctor Bethany Marshall, 186 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: very well known California's psychoanalyst. You can find her at 187 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. John Limley Crime online dot com. 188 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: Investigate every reporter in her Superstar to day. Adam Walker, 189 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: a hero who chased on foot, this guy, this Roscoe 190 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: Holyoake DJ Stephen Lampley. I keep saying broad daylight, like, 191 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: crimes don't happen in broad daylight. They don't really as 192 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: often as under the cover of darkness or in secret. 193 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: You know a lot of crimes go down behind closed 194 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: doors or in secret, and it takes a different kind 195 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: of a mind to commit a crime and brought open daylight. 196 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, Well, Nan see when you when you have 197 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: a pedophile I spent a number of months working undercover 198 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old girl when and you and 199 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: I both know, or at least the studies show, depending 200 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: on who you readophile pedophilia is not a condition that 201 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: can be successfully treated. In the words, it's not something 202 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: that will ever go away. As gentleman didn't care. You know, 203 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: they typically don't care that they will do whatever necessary 204 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: in order to satisfy their urges. Well to Adam Walker, 205 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: our hero joining us today who takes off, leaves his 206 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: own wife and child safe, I might add, and takes 207 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: off when he sees this mom in distress with a 208 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: baby strapped to her chest and a guy kidnapping her baby. Now, 209 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: let me tell you a little bit about the alleged suspect, 210 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Roscoe Holyoke. Now, it's true he has no criminal record, 211 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: but this is not the first time the highly popular 212 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: DJ has run in to problems with the law. It 213 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: has been reported that police responded to an incident the 214 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: previous February where he was found at an apartment complex 215 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: asking permission to play with a stranger's child. The police 216 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: say they interviewed him and he had asked to come 217 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: inside someone else's apartment to play with a baby. The 218 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: resident refused to let him in, but then Holyoke remains 219 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: outside the door, So I guess the mom mom wanted 220 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: to know why holy wanted to see the baby. He 221 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: made a comment of sorts that resulted in a group 222 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: of neighbors chasing him down the street and restraining him 223 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: until the cops get there. I wonder what in the 224 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: hay he said for this to raise an alarm for 225 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: this mom to scream and the neighbors start chasing him 226 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: and restrain him. Now this is reportedly. Now we also 227 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: know he was trying to advance his music career. He 228 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: is known as DJ Roski, very well known DJ and 229 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: in addition to djy he was trying to further his 230 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: music career. So that's who we think the perp is. 231 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: At a walker, You chased him, so you see this happening, 232 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: What happens? What instinct kicked in? And what did you do? 233 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's all a little bit of a blur, 234 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, everything that kind of led up to be 235 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: taken off. But you know, shortly after he put the 236 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: child down and and uh did that brief smile and 237 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: took off running. Um. You know, people started saying hey, someone, 238 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: someone get that guy, you know. And in my own mind, 239 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, pardon me, was thinking, well, you know, he 240 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: didn't take the child, but also tried to take a child, 241 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: and that guy doesn't deserve to be on the streets. 242 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: So so a second one by, and I just took 243 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: off running and chasing down the street a couple of 244 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: blocks and and initially I thought I was running just 245 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: by myself, but you know, once I got about halfway 246 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: down the street, I realized there was another man running 247 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: alongside me kind of more on the sidewalk. I was 248 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: taken off, you know, right down the middle of the 249 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: street where he was and uh. And so he took 250 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: a left on the nearest cross street headed down that street. 251 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: And as we were running, I started shouting out to 252 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: people ahead of us, saying, hey, you know, this man 253 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: tried to take a child. You know, let's let's stop him. 254 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: And so it was at that point that the men 255 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: at the towards the end of the street, once they 256 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: had turned around and were engaged in the process. Um, 257 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, mister Jolioke at that point, you know, kind 258 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: of realized who was surrounded and uh, and he gave up, 259 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: put his hands up in the air and uh and 260 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: stopped running. And that's when I grabbed onto him and 261 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: walked him over to the sidewalk and pushed him up 262 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: against the side of the wall, you know, told him 263 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: with his hands in the air and keep down on 264 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: his knees, and we held him there until the police came. 265 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: He put the toddler down, and he smiled at everybody 266 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: and then started sprinting. Every parent's nightmare. It's a horrible situation. 267 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: Horrible neighbors reacted to the scary news. Sabrina is pretty 268 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: proud of her brave husband. I'm so proud of him, 269 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: and I just I'm happy that that person was caught, 270 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: that no one was hurt. Adam Walker is joining me 271 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: all the way from Anchorage right now to tell a story. 272 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: And Adam, as you were talking, I actually teared up 273 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about all the child molestation cases that 274 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: I prosecuted and have covered and those people's lives. Adam 275 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: will never ever be the same. Yes, they'll go back 276 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: into society, they'll go about their life as if normal, 277 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: but it sticks with you the rest of your life. 278 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: You're never the same. I often compare it to like 279 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: breaking your arm and you never get it set and 280 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: you go on. You can go on and flip a 281 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: pancake even one day, but your arm will always hurt 282 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: and nothing will ever be the same for the rest 283 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: of your life. And I'm comparing that with statistics that 284 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I know to be true that every time a pedophile 285 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: is caught, he is typically a male has acted has 286 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: molested so many many times before, for every single time 287 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: that they're caught. I mean, Adam, you're just you know, 288 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: rattling your story off like it's nothing. Doctor Bethany Marshall, 289 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: please tell him about the statistics about how pedophilia cannot 290 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: be cured and stopping this guy may have saved how 291 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: many children from a lifetime of hurt. Well, these statistics 292 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: are incredible, Nancy. There was one very important prison survey 293 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: where they actually interviewed incarcerated pedophiles and learned that on average, 294 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: these men had perpetrated against children for seventeen years before 295 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: they were incarcerated. And then a follow up study showed 296 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: that when these men were released from prison, they were 297 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: angrier and even more ready to offend than before. And 298 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: another study showed doctor Bethany, before I lose the thought 299 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: and you hold onto your thought, and I'm gonna have 300 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: you pick up. This is my anecdotal observation which makes 301 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: Adam walk Or even more of a hero to me. 302 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink like you, and I don't have 303 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: statistics like Steve Lamb player John Lemley. But I recall 304 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: every time I would prosecute a child lest station, I 305 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: would uncover history of at least three, two, eighteen or 306 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: nineteen previous attacks on children. Roscoe holiok he's not charged 307 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: with pedophilia. He's not charged with that. He's not charged 308 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: with listation. Okay. He is charged with felonies regarding kidnapping 309 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: a little child, A taught boy from the mom, and 310 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: he did have that incident where he tried to play 311 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: in someone's home with an infant that he didn't know 312 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. Chased him and held him to restrained 313 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: until cops got there. But I'm thinking just Any dotally, 314 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, about all the times, practically every time I 315 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: had a child listation case that I prosecuted, there were 316 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: what we call similar transactions to bring in front of 317 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: the jury. And those are the ones that just I 318 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: just had time to find in my very very hectic 319 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: trial preparation, So how many more are there that I 320 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: didn't know about? The first stat I ever read was 321 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: so startling to me. Male offenders who offend against little 322 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: boys offend on average five hundred and forty four times 323 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: over the course of the lifespan. Five hundred and forty 324 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: four times. Right, that was the first stat I ever read. 325 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: These are men molesting the play that one more time. Please. 326 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: Male offenders who molest boys, where where boys are their 327 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: preferred victims? Offend on average five hundred and forty four 328 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: times over the course of a lifespan. And now sometimes 329 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: this is the same victim repeatedly. Sometimes it's different victims. 330 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: So you may have five hundred and forty four incidences 331 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: of molesting a child, but maybe you have three hundred victims. Now, Nancy, 332 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: that is what we call an extra familial offender, meaning 333 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: they pick random victims. Interestmarial offenders people who molest their 334 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: own children, their own relatives haven't even higher offense rate 335 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: because they have more access to the victims, So the 336 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: stats there are even scarier. I once had a couple 337 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: come to my office for therapy. They were like a 338 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: grandma grandpa age. They were in their late seventies, and 339 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: the first three months were awkward. I couldn't figure out 340 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: why they were in a couple of therapy. There was 341 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: like no rhyme or reason. There was no pattern, clinical 342 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: pattern that followed any pattern that I recognized. And they 343 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: asked me to speak to their adult son, and the 344 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: sun said, you don't know why they've come to therapy, 345 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: do you? And I said no. He said, my dad 346 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: molested my little girl. And I said that if they 347 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: didn't go to therapy, I'd have to report them. And 348 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm gonna have to report him today. 349 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: The last time I saw that couple, they got a lawyer, 350 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: never saw them again, reported them to Child Protective Services. 351 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: But throughout the course of the brief time I saw them, 352 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: they were constantly talking about children. They were obsessed. But 353 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: they went to therapy to try to get out of 354 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: a crime and instead of it landed them bright and 355 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: hot water. So Adam Walker, um hero identist. You chase 356 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: the guy and when you catch him, what does he do? 357 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: You know he gave up without a struggle. You know, 358 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: there was you know, as I was approaching him, I 359 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: was wondering, you know, what's what's going to happen once 360 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: I catch him. You know, I had noticed that his 361 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: fists were kind of clenched together. I wasn't certain if 362 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: he had anything in his hands or not. Um, But luckily, 363 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: once I got to about arm's reach, he he totally 364 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: gave up so um. So he obeyed my commands, you know, 365 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: when I when I told him they get against the 366 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: wall and get on his knees. He followed the commands. 367 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: And how did you know how to do that? I 368 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: don't think they teach that a didental school, you know, 369 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: they definitely don't teach that in dental school. And I 370 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: was just thinking from the you know, a point of 371 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: reference that, you know, if he was just trying to 372 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: take a rest, because we were all pretty winded by 373 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: the time we got him. I just wanted to make 374 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: sure that I get as much of an advantage as 375 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: I can if he just decided to try to get 376 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: up and start running again. So I figured, hey, get 377 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: off your feet and let me see what's in your hands, 378 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: and we'll probably be safe. Let me ask you, this 379 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: Adam Walker joining us, Adam, can you remember anything going 380 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: through your mind as you were chasing this guy? Not 381 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: initially Initially, I just was trying to run the stats 382 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: as I could to catch him. But it wasn't until 383 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: I started getting closer and realized that I was going 384 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: to catch him that I started thinking, Hey, I wonder 385 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: what's going to happen once I do. But that initial 386 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: instinct was just to go get them. Adam. It's interesting 387 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: to me that you you turned the corner, You've got 388 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: your wife and your four year old child with you, 389 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: and you hear people going saying, hey, somebody catch him. 390 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: Well somebody turned out to be you. All these people 391 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: standing around doing nothing, but you are the one to 392 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: take off running. Why you what clicked in your mind? Well, 393 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: I'd definitely attribute it, at least partially to the fatherly instinct. 394 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: You know. I think back, you know, if it was 395 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: if I was not present in that situation. I feel like, 396 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was just doing what I would hope 397 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: any other april bodied person would do if it were 398 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: my child, and that wasn't there. Listen to this. I 399 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: think it was great that they decided to help. Is 400 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: very dangerous. Investigators are looking into Holyoak, whose Facebook page 401 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: shows he works as a DJ known as DJ Roski. 402 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: No we're yet on his background or time in the US, 403 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: but he is jailed on a half million dollars bail 404 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: for attempted kidnapping. But we don't know what started is 405 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: why he trded to grab the child. So I'm trying 406 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: to figure out some of the details. Now we should 407 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: learn more about Roscoe Holyoake in the coming days. He 408 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: was carrying a backpack. Police have not said what was 409 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: in it now. Adam Walker said when he caught up 410 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: with Holyoake and saw that his fists were clenched, he 411 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: who wondered what would happen, But as he said, he 412 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: gave up with no struggle crime stories with Nancy Grace. 413 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: I think back, you know, if it was if I 414 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: was not present in that situation. I feel like, you know, 415 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: I was just doing what I would hope any other 416 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: able bodied person would do if it were my child, 417 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: and that wasn't there. I'm just trying to take in well, 418 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: you just said, you know, Adam, sadly, most people don't 419 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: think that way, most people don't act, but you did. 420 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: Thank God. Right there in broad daylight, a guy walks 421 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: by and picks the boy up, wraps his arms around 422 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: the boy's rear end, throws a smile back at the 423 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: mom and takes off running. Sadly, most people don't act, 424 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: but you did, thank God. So how did the police 425 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: get there and what happened when they did? They got 426 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: there within maybe maybe two or three minutes, you know, 427 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: very very quickly. And so you know, again, when I 428 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: was holding the man, I was just so focused on 429 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: all my attention was just holding him there and not 430 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: letting him get up, and you know, being prepared in 431 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: case anything happened. So I didn't see, you know, what 432 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: a direction they came from or anything like that. I 433 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: just felt a tap on my shoulder once there, right, 434 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: and said, okay, we got up from here, and I 435 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: stepped aside and and they pursued to cuff them. Wow. 436 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, John Limley Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 437 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: wants in because he wants to talk about motive. John Limley, 438 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: you do know the state doesn't have to prove motive. 439 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't have to crawl on this guy's head and 440 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: figure out why he wanted to go in and play 441 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: with an infant he didn't know in somebody's home allegedly, 442 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: or why he grabbed his child away from the mom 443 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: and took off, try to take off running, but go ahead, 444 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: go ahead, I'll amuse you tell me about motive. Well, 445 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: DJ Holyoak really has not provided any at least public explanation. 446 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Because he is out there on social media, he has 447 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: had the opportunity to say something. He just has not 448 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: even tried to explain his bizarre behavior or motive for 449 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: his actions. Now, during his court appearance, his first court appearance, 450 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: he just kept his head down. He didn't say anything, 451 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't speak to the judge after she read the charges 452 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: against him. During his five minute court appearance. That's all 453 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: there was to it. Bail was set at five hundred 454 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and the issue and the judge issued a 455 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: restraining order mandating that Holyoake not go within one hundred 456 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: and fifty yards of the victim or the mother. Now 457 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: we did hear through Australia's Channel nine News. They spoke 458 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: with Holyoake's public defender, Steve Olmo, as he's trying to 459 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 1: defend his client. Almo gave several possible explanations for his 460 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: client's arrest. Over zealous police work, mistaken identity, wrong place, 461 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: wrong time, wrong color. Almo added that Holyoake was in 462 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: town for business at the time of this incident, had 463 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: no previous criminal history. Adam Walker, the hero who chases 464 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: this guy down Adam, Yeah, any doubt in your mind 465 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: that the guy you were chasing and held until police 466 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: got there is the guy that grabbed the two year 467 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: old little boy. I have no doubt in my mind. 468 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: He definitely didn't leave my sight. And and if if 469 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: that wasn't the guy, he would have a whole lot 470 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: more questions for me when I was holding me against 471 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: the wall. So I have no doubt my mind. Yeah, 472 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: you're right, like, why are you holding me against the 473 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: wall and making me get on my knees. I mean, 474 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: he held his hands up in the air and went, okay, 475 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: you got me. I'm done. So what do you make 476 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: of that? Hearing the defense claiming that's the wrong guy, 477 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: wrong place, wrong time, blah blah blast second verse, same 478 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: as the first, Adam Walker, Yeah, you know, and that 479 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: definitely is not the case. I know for a fact 480 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: that the demand that was holding the child was the 481 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: man that I was holding against the wall. Take a 482 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: listen to our friends, our friend Charles Croucher at nine 483 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: knees Australian DJ Roscoe Bradley Holyoak remains behind bars here 484 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: in San Francisco's Hall of Justice after a brief appearance 485 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: this afternoon. He kept his head down. He was wearing 486 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: orange prison issue attire and didn't look at the judge 487 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: in the eye as she read the charges against him. 488 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: There are two. One is of kidnapping, one is child endangerment. 489 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: They are both considered felonies here in San Francisco, and 490 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: both carry with them years in jail as a potential punishment. 491 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: Police say the Australian DJ, who is big in the 492 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: Perth club scene, attempted to snatch a toddler who was 493 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: walking with his mother in a busy area of San 494 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Francisco on Friday in broad daylight. A scuffle ensured. The 495 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: Australian attempted to flee the scene, but was chased down 496 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: by bystanders. They made at citizens arrests at the scene. 497 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: What isn't clear is any kind of motive for this 498 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: attack or what the defense will be for mister Holyoak, 499 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: I asked his lawyer outside of court. Or razalous police worry, 500 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: mistaken identity, Ryan plays wrong time, run lots of clients, 501 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: a darker persuasion. I don't see cameras out here when 502 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: they're arrested, So take a pick of those excuses from 503 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: the lawyer. What is clear, though, is that mister Holyoake 504 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: has been retained behind bars, always set at half a 505 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: million dollars. He's also been ordered not to go anywhere 506 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: near these alleged victims. He'll reappear here in court in 507 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco in the coming days. Well, I kind of 508 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: thought Litlin was kidding when he spit out all of 509 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: those various defenses at once, but it sounds like that's 510 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: for real. Take a listen to this. For most a 511 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: week after Australian Roscoe Holyoake was arrested, still no clearer 512 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: as to why the DJ swapped the club for the courthouse. 513 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: I think there is just a break with no evil intent. 514 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: It makes no sense for the man that I've gotten 515 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: to know over two days. The thirty four year old 516 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: pleading not guilty to kidnapping and child endangerment after police 517 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: say he attempted to steal a toddler in broad daylight 518 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: just kind of a mental disengagement with reality. Did he 519 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: attempt to take a chance. No. Holyoak's defense will rely 520 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: on character dismissing an incident in Sydney that led to 521 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: New South Wales police questioning the Perth based DJ. There 522 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: was a dispute between neighbors he was visiting in the area, 523 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: loud noise, baby crying and an escalator between him and 524 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: one of the parents. The Australian consulate he's aware of 525 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: the case. Holyoak's friends rallying to his defense, parking are 526 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: these people Australia running up? Just a shot? This is 527 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: not the man everyone knows. Mister Holyoake kept his head 528 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: down the entire time in court, He had to be 529 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: prompted to speak to the judge and held in his 530 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: hand letters of support from Perth. But witnesses and prosecutors 531 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: say the evidence against the Australian is overwhelming. We charge 532 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: cases based on the evidence and based on the investigation. 533 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: In the evidence that we have, we feel as though 534 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: the charges are wholly appropriate to Adam Walker. When you 535 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: look back on it, would you do it again? Um? 536 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: You know absolutely? I mean, in that in that moment, 537 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: what that happens, and there's you know, a mother pleaning 538 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: for help. Um you can't help but think you that 539 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: the same way? I mean, obviously in retrospect, thinking back, 540 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, I definitely feel very fortunate, lucky that things 541 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: turned out the way that they did, because things could 542 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: have been very, very different. It could have had a 543 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: very different ending. And luckily you know ed one was safe. 544 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: But but in that instance, you know, something like that 545 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: happens and someone needs needs help, and especially in the 546 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: case where someone did something to that that extreme and 547 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: they need to be off the streets. And yeah, absolutely 548 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: I would do it again in a heartbeat. Well, you 549 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: know what, I hope you stay strong in your convictions, 550 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: because in the last hour, this guy, Roscoe Bradley Holyoake, 551 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: has pled not guilty to follow the kidnapping and child 552 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: endangerment charges in front of San Francisco Superior Court Judge 553 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: Vedica Pury. Long story short, looks like you're going to 554 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: be a state's chief witness at trial. We wait as 555 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: justice unfals Nancy Grace crime story signing off