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Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Marking, Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers at Law.

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Speaker 1: We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. Hello,

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Speaker 1: with us. Today, Chris Blue walks in with a freaking cane.

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Speaker 1: We had a crab conference car earlier. Today he's in

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Speaker 1: my son's skateboard. What happened. I don't know. Zero hurt

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Speaker 1: my back. It's called old age. It's called old age,

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Speaker 1: but you know it happened. But you know, Marks a

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Speaker 1: D fifty two. And before we get to Chris Eggers,

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Speaker 1: his company at c C Security Solutions. Chris is a

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Speaker 1: former police officer and undercover cop in Oakland. Can't wait

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Speaker 1: to get to all that you've done there, Chris. But

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Speaker 1: you guys, Chris, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show man and looking at your company right here.

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Speaker 1: I love everything that you guys are doing, from permitting,

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Speaker 1: security plans, law enforcement liaison services, security guards and staff training,

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Speaker 1: physical security audits, pre compliance checks, camera mapping and alarm equipment.

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Speaker 1: All this and more. But before I get into what

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Speaker 1: The word is what gets me to go, where's the

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Speaker 1: story there? What is the word behind you? Chris? Why

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Speaker 1: you're no longer? How long? First of all, too young

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one with Chris

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Speaker 1: what they're told, versus getting that advice, you know, from

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Speaker 1: somebody that goes listen like you really should put security

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Speaker 1: on your roof. And and and this is why, and this

425
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Speaker 1: is and only that I love this tagline that you

426
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Speaker 1: have on this one page on your company. It says

427
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Speaker 1: information comes from books, experience comes from the streets. Uniquely

428
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Speaker 1: qualified to protect your cannabis business. Is the website c

429
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Speaker 1: C Security Solutions. You go check that out and is

430
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Speaker 1: at the number two seven and that's two one zero

431
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Speaker 1: six seven called Chris. If you have any information like that.

432
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Speaker 1: And as I was reading this and seeing once again

433
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Speaker 1: for those who just forgot about that being undercover in

434
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Speaker 1: Oakland in these areas where it just plays such a

435
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Speaker 1: dominant spots. And have you now be just being retired

436
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, have you worked with a few

437
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Speaker 1: big companies that I've worked with a few I can't

438
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Speaker 1: name some. We have India's and stuff, but some girl

439
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: houses in Oakland, et cetera that you know definitely benefited

440
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: from the services. Let me ask you this, would you

441
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: be willing to work with black market ones that aren't licensed? Absolutely,

442
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: that's not because you're not a police I didn't hear anything.

443
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: I didn't hear an answer. You're not a police officer anymore.

444
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to really, you know, follow the rules

445
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: and none of that. You're security company. It doesn't matter

446
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: if we're complying forbody with security. You know right well

447
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: what happens is when a security guard is working at

448
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: an unlicensed facility, they are subject to arrest. Just like

449
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: anybody else. That's a security guard not setting up cameras

450
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: and you're not hearing me. Their subject to it. Now

451
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: afterwards we can go in and this guy had nothing

452
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Speaker 1: to do with the operation. They're a secure but you're

453
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: going through it, the gun's gonna get taken. We've we've

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Speaker 1: dealt with so much ship with licensed security guards who

455
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: were who who sadly work at places and they don't

456
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: realize or know that it's an illegal spot and then

457
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Speaker 1: to get their gun back. It's sometimes let me ask you,

458
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: this is a different circumstances as far as the security cameras.

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Speaker 1: If I'm putting up i work for c C Security Solutions,

460
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Speaker 1: I'm one of the installers. I'm installing a security system

461
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Speaker 1: in a building. This building happens to being a legal

462
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: grow and I'm just putting everything up and installing security.

463
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: Am I in danger? When if the cops show up

464
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Speaker 1: right then when you're there, you're getting arrested because you're

465
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Speaker 1: now let me ask you this. If my stuff is

466
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Speaker 1: up and my stuff is just I'm not there, no,

467
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: just my cameras are there there, I'm good. Then you're good.

468
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Speaker 1: Whoever's there, it's gonna be physically that he's gonna get

469
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Speaker 1: taken down. I have an interesting things that just something

470
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: recently just happened to me, right, and I think, what

471
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: better person to have the conversation. And I haven't even

472
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: told Mark this. I've got the I've got a whole

473
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Speaker 1: I'm like me last week, you know, I got this

474
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Speaker 1: phone call and the guys. So I have a smoke

475
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: shot down the street, right, and this guy comes and

476
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Speaker 1: he came before and he asked to buy, you know,

477
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Speaker 1: bags of the milar bags. And we have like runts

478
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Speaker 1: on our cookies, but we just sell the bags, literally,

479
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: just sell the bags, right, And so this guy comes

480
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Speaker 1: one time and he cleaned me out of all of them.

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00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, this guy's in the business, you know.

482
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Speaker 1: But I was like cool, whatever, and then he and

483
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Speaker 1: he's like, let me get your number. I said, we'll

484
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: call me next time you're coming, dude, so I could

485
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Speaker 1: have you know, enough for you. So I want to

486
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Speaker 1: make sure I have enough bags for you. And so

487
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Speaker 1: I gave my number and he calls me up and

488
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Speaker 1: he says, hey, dude, I need like two fifty bags.

489
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Speaker 1: I said, what kind of bags do you want? I

490
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: got cookies, runts. You know, I'm telling them the different

491
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: bags that I have, and so so trip on this story, dude,

492
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Speaker 1: This is this is deep. It gets way deeper, dude.

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00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: So so I'm I'm sending them text messages right like

494
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: I got a hundred the cookie bags I got, I

495
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: got a hundred of these? What what do you want?

496
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: And he's literally just like, not the weed, just the bag,

497
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: the Marl bags. And so he says to me, he says, well,

498
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: I need these this and then I'm like cool. So

499
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Speaker 1: he comes and picks him up there to night, you know,

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00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: and I went and got a special trip to l

501
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Speaker 1: A to go get the bags for him to bring

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Speaker 1: him down to him. And and then he calls me

503
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: up on Friday and says, hey, bro, you remember me?

504
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: And I don't even recognize the number. I'm like, who

505
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: are you doing? He's like, no, the guy that bought

506
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: the backs from me there that I'm like, yeah, what's up, dude.

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00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: He's like, so we got busted in Kentucky. And I

508
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Speaker 1: go so, so I'm sorry to hear that, you know

509
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: what I mean, like what happened? And he's like, dude,

510
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Speaker 1: He's like, we got busted with two fifty pounds of weed.

511
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: He says, I had two guns on me and a

512
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Speaker 1: kilo opioids. So I'm going and he's and he kept

513
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Speaker 1: he's asking me. He's like, yo, can I can I

514
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: um talk to you on you know? He's calling me

515
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: on FaceTime or whatever. He's like, I think it's FaceTime.

516
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: It should be good. This is a different phone number.

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00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: And I'm going, so, why are you calling me? Though? Right?

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00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, what's up? And he goes, well,

519
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: the reason I'm calling you is because in the police

520
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: report they said it says we believe that that they

521
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: got the product from this phone number and it has

522
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Speaker 1: my fucking phone number there. So I'm saying so I'm

523
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: literally like and I said, what are you saying? He says, well,

524
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I'm trying to let you know that

525
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: I just that I got the police report and it

526
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: says your phone number is where they think they got

527
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Speaker 1: the bags from. And I'm like, you did get the bags,

528
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: but it was just the bags, you know, and say like,

529
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Speaker 1: I didn't give you the weed and none that ship,

530
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Speaker 1: So what does that do for me? Right? And I

531
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: literally was like, holy sh it. An attorney, and that's

532
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: why I'm like, dude, what just happened? Right? And so

533
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm hot as ship right now. I'll

534
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: start off with saying your back mind might not be

535
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: your biggest issue, right yeah, back? I mean so, And

536
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I gave my attorney your information. I

537
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: told him that you weren't part of this. I explained

538
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: to him exactly what happened to my attorney, he said,

539
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: I said, but dude, I said, where are you at now?

540
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: You know? Sittings like I'm in New York and I'm

541
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fighting this case. I've got a couple

542
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: of felonies against me. And he's like, they also came

543
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: back to our hotel room, rated our hotel room afterwards,

544
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: and I'm just going, holy fun. And he goes, well,

545
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: my real name is Chris Frankino, not like I know

546
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: this guy. So so anyways, you know what does that?

547
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, what, what what do I do?

548
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: Have you gotten a call from the cops? No, I

549
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: mean maybe should I didn't. I mean I might not

550
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: answered a random call mark up the car, but literally though,

551
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: literally it's like I feel like, dude, like I'm sucking

552
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: like you know, lucky. I'm not really you know, selling

553
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: weed like that, so it doesn't matter. But but I mean,

554
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm sure they're watching me now, right, Chris?

555
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Can we get you as a private hired security around here? Listen,

556
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: if we go to drinks or something after this, we'll

557
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: just takes separate cars. Bro. Yeah, I don't even know

558
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: why I'm here. I'll meet you there. So what do

559
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: you what do you think from from detectives or you know,

560
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: under what do you think I mean, like, what happens

561
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: to to someone guy like that? Yeah? Did they just

562
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: go well it's you know, it's not a big enough case,

563
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: or it's big enough case. We're going to dive into this.

564
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: What happens so so totally totally depends on the agency.

565
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, in a in a big agency that's super busy,

566
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: they may get their arrest and be done. That could

567
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: be the end of it. For another agency that really

568
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: wants to dig their heels into it. You know, you

569
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: might you might get a call. Yeah. Well, either they

570
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: just call them and say, hey, this is a detective

571
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: so and so yeah, possibly, or would they just tap

572
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: my phone and show up on my asks? Could could

573
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: depend on well, okay, to get a to get a tap,

574
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: you gotta have a search hoarrant granted by it by

575
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: a judge. So um, well that's the easy way to

576
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: get a search to one though on the tap, because

577
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: when you're like, yo, looka, here's his name. Depends it

578
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: depends on, you know, the statements that were made to

579
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Yeah, it just all right right once it

580
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: once they were talked to the exactly and so you know,

581
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and I get questions like maybe not just like that,

582
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: but you know, like law enforcement questions all the time,

583
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: and and of time I answer is it depends. It

584
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: just depends on It depends on depiction. It depends on

585
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: this the evidence they have, the statement he made or

586
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't make, you know, whether he wants to cooperate with

587
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: them or not. Yeah, what are you thinking when you

588
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: were texting the names of these bags? Bags? So many?

589
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: What are you thinking? You're thinking nothing? Because their bags? Yeah, granted,

590
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: like literally it's it's it's I have my lar bags.

591
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: Just come get them. Yeah yeah, no, I mean trust me,

592
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: Well he's trying to sell them something. You've got to understand.

593
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: Do you want cookies? Do you want this? You want that.

594
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's what do you want to it makes sense?

595
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: Why wrong place, wrong time, wrong words, wrong all that. Well,

596
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to get legal information. Chris Egger's former police officer,

597
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: just retired from the police department hanging up the cleets

598
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I watch your personal insight Chris

599
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: on what's been going on recently with police all over

600
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and everywhere else. I mean it's just been

601
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: you know, I truly support police. I don't support bad

602
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: police and police officers in general. I've been getting such

603
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: a bad fucking rap and being a cop that you

604
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: just hung up the cleats. How did you have to

605
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: deal with this as of recently, because if you just

606
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: turned out, then you dealt with it and dealt with it. Yeah,

607
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with it? And what has

608
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: been your experience? Well thoughts on it all? Yeah? First

609
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: of all, I didn't retire. I just quit. Okay, Yeah,

610
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: I I just quit. Um that's a big difference, because

611
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: you retire, you get benefits, you get stuff, and you left.

612
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: I just left. Well, you're young enough to where you

613
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: couldn't retire probably, Um, you know, I mean there's like

614
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a pension and you can do certain things within collect

615
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: or not and you know whatever. There's different options for that.

616
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm thirty nine and I was

617
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: on family leave. UM. We had my wife and I

618
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: welcome to baby, baby girl, And when it it was

619
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: time to go back, I just I went back and

620
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: cleaned up my locker and I turned in my my

621
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: ship and said thanks with your wife, like we got

622
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: a little girl. You ain't going to work where you

623
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: could possibly you know, we I've been I've been planning

624
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: to make this move for quite some time. Uh. You know,

625
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Mark knows that Mark and I have known each other

626
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: for over a year now. UM. I tried to get

627
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: him to come on while he was on the force, yeah,

628
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, and COVID hit and I pulled back leaving

629
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: you know a little bit, and then um, you know,

630
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: we got pregnant things like that, So you know, I

631
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: just waited for the right time to leave. But it

632
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: was something that I really wanted to do, UM and

633
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: also in law enforce, and I didn't want to do

634
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: that anymore, you know, I was. I was just very

635
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: unhappy professionally. I think that the profession has a lot

636
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: of ways that it can improve. UM, and I think

637
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: it's really important to address those issues. When you say

638
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: you didn't like being it, is it because and I

639
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: feel like I'm hearing that from you. What a lot

640
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: of bad cops are giving cops the look cat? I mean,

641
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: do you feel like that's plays into it? It came because,

642
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: let's just face it, you look white. You know what

643
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If I looked at you, you got a

644
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: bald head and a beard, I could judge you immediately myself.

645
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: And you know, and I don't assuming or anything that

646
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: you're you're handling people that way and by your hearing

647
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: your stories in Oakland, by the way you handled yourself.

648
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: You can't be that white guy in open like that

649
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: period that. I mean, you could be the white gup,

650
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: but you have to have the respect. You gotta be

651
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: cool because cats in Oakland are a little different like that.

652
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: So did that? Oh? I love Oakland too, man, I

653
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: love it. Like I said, I said, I frequent open

654
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: a lot. It was easy to understand the structure of

655
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: how things went. I wasn't the toughest guy on the block,

656
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: and I knew it simple and you had to be

657
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: cool because it's a very urban city. But you're gonna

658
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I have to come there every day, right, and people

659
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: call every day and a lot of the work that

660
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: we did, and we talked about my undercover work, a

661
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: lot of that started. We would host community meetings and

662
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: invite people from the community who live who live in

663
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: International and say, you know, uh ms Smith, right, what

664
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: is your issues that you that you see in the

665
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: community that you want us to address. And so it

666
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, me saying one day, Hey, I

667
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: want to go out and and buy drugs and hopefully

668
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: recover some guns. It was listening to people who who

669
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: lived there every day, and you have to I think

670
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: law enforcement can do a much better job of doing that. Um.

671
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: Oakland did a great job of that. You know San

672
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Francisco different. What are some of the other key things

673
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: that you think police officers in general from abroad can do. Um.

674
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: The first thing that jumps off in my head is

675
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: is to be open to change. Um Oakland with Oakland PD,

676
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: was very, very receptive to listening to other people's opinions,

677
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: regardless of rank, UM about how to do things differently

678
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: based on your experience and your experience or yours. Right. Um.

679
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: I've found that San Francisco was a little bit more

680
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: resistant to that. I was a field training officer for

681
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: three years, and that means that you train a rookie

682
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: right out of the academy. They're in your car boom

683
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: day one, right. And there's three different phases. My favorite

684
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: phase with the last phase, and I found that I

685
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: was often correcting bad habits, if you will, from season.

686
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes seasoned officers um and when when

687
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: these were brought up, there was more resistance to change

688
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and doing things differently. You know, some people accepted me

689
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: as a lateral um which is transferring from one agency

690
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: to another. Uh and some did not quite frankly, and

691
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: they didn't want to hear about your Oakland experience. They

692
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: don't want to hear you know, this is SF this

693
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: is how we do it. It's just it's just a

694
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: different type of culture. You know. I don't really want

695
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: to rag on them, but I'm just being honest, and

696
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: it's my opinion that I'm really glad to be in

697
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: a position right now where I'm free from the department

698
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: and I can express my opinion and hopefully again, you know,

699
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: I add some value with my experience. Sure, you know

700
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: how real, real quick? Is that blue badge line that

701
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: we hear about see about. I just watched you know,

702
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: another show on Chicago p D and the brother over

703
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: there he went against his own cops and told on him,

704
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: and my wife and I are watching it, and you know,

705
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: I grew up with a bunch of cops that I knew,

706
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: and I'll go, babe, that's official, like a REPERI wish

707
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: what's real is a two dollar bill thesea. It's kind

708
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: of have each other's back like that, even when it's

709
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: fucking wrong. So this is my experience. I'm I'm very

710
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: happy to say that I wasn't in a position where

711
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I needed to come forward and and say something right.

712
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: I worked, thankfully, and I was trained by true professionals

713
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: in Oakland. I'm very very blessed, very blessed to say that. Um, Listen,

714
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: when I got to San Francisco, I have my own

715
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: little click of officers, and there're a lot like me.

716
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: They're not you know, the funny Oakley's and the go

717
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: to the range on your day off and you know,

718
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: like the shirts that I don't know, you know what

719
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like I've never been that way, and

720
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: so um, and it takes a conversation with me to

721
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: understand that that I'm not your typical cop. Was never

722
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't buy into the culture of letting

723
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: them just eat my whole praisana alive. You know. I

724
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: love to go wine tasting them. I love the hike,

725
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, I loved all these other activities that don't

726
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: involve law enforcement. And I found like minded people like that.

727
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: And then there was also people that I found that

728
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: I would not get in the car with just straight

729
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: up I'm not gonna ride with you, not because you know,

730
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: you're dirty or anything like that, but just you know,

731
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: we had it like that, you know, we we were

732
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: and some people wouldn't want ride with me. Yeah, they're

733
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: different cultures than you, so you don't want to be picked.

734
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: You know. Let me think of this, Um, do you

735
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: smoke cannabis? Yeah? Have you smoked while you're a no? No,

736
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: but but but I have since I left. Yeah, and

737
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: then and then two days off, here's here, here's the gun.

738
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: This is old ship. Sorry, here are the guns over here,

739
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: but like like here, you know they can't and the

740
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: people I get this a lot, right, Like why cannabis?

741
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, and again, the difference between myself, one of

742
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the difference between myself and other security consultants is I

743
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: don't advertise other industries. I'm laser focused on cannabis and um.

744
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: I hold cannabis in a high regard. I have a

745
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: family member who um and who is an alcoholic. And

746
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that cannabis cures alcoholism, are you Mark,

747
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm an alcoholic, but he but he stopped drinking and

748
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: he uses uses cannabis and he's and he's an extremely

749
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: successful person on any level that matters. He's a great dad,

750
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: and he's a great husband, he's a great brother, he's

751
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: a great cousin. Um And so I have an intimate,

752
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, h view into into cannabis in that regard

753
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: while I was working as a police officer. And now

754
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: I looked at my experience and said to myself, how

755
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: can I use this, you know, and benefit the industry

756
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: and still do something that I love that I'm good at,

757
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: um And And that's why I'm I'm where I am

758
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: right now. You know, you talked about the Blue Brotherhood

759
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: and and I was reading some articles and of course

760
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: watching as much as I can of the trial that's

761
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: going on the Floyd Murder show, and we're seeing cops

762
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: come up there and say some very damning things that

763
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: that's not part of the training, that's not part of

764
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: the solution of what we do. And they've had, you know,

765
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: the sergeant, you know, the chief get up there, and

766
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen some of it, and which was

767
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: shocking to see, to be honest with you, right to

768
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: be to see these cops say that is not how

769
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: we hold business, not and and by saying that, I

770
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: was expecting to hear a little something like, well, in

771
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: his defense, he may have thought that, you know, a

772
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: lot of times that's what we've heard in the pass

773
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: they made a justification for what they've done. I haven't

774
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: heard any justification from any of the professionals that they've

775
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: had up there. How could you, exactly? And those who do,

776
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: shame on them if something does happen because exactly that

777
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: in this situation in particular, how could you. I'll tell you.

778
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: One of the things too, is we've talked about this,

779
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: and I just want to get your thoughts on it.

780
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Is you know, we we believe, or at least I

781
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: believe that part of the training needs to be retrained, right,

782
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: Police officers need to be retrained as they come in

783
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: and instead of calling them, you know, war you know

784
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: names like a sergeant, a generale, tenant, a captain, they

785
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: should maybe be called managers and assistant manager and and

786
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: supervisors supervisors. And I think the reason that training that

787
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: comes in, it's like you feel like you're coming militant

788
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: background and it's where to get somebody. Which, don't get

789
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: me wrong, we don't want a bunch of you know,

790
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: pussy foot cops out there either that are just gonna

791
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: end up getting beat up and and yeah yeah, so

792
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: so so, but but what are your thoughts about maybe

793
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: renaming some of them or or creating a different because

794
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think it takes eight or six sixteen

795
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: weeks or something like that to become a cop, right

796
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: isn't My academy was six months long? Six months right?

797
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Which is so? So? I mean, which is and then

798
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, uh what twenty weeks sixteen or

799
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: twenty weeks of field training where you're monitored every day

800
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: by and and so I did that right in Oakland.

801
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I did that when I went to Millbray, and I

802
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: had to go through field training in San Francisco and

803
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: then in San Francisco is a field training officer as well.

804
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: Could I go be a cop right now? At forty

805
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want. I'm gonna I'm gonna

806
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: go sign up to the departments. As you say that,

807
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, why didn't you just stay at Mill

808
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: break Dog. That's Millbrave for those who don't know. Once

809
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: again is a small little town. That's just it's a

810
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: very expensive city, very exclusive, and not a lot of

811
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: crime goes down to Millbrad because it's so exclusive. And

812
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta understand. I was, I was, you know,

813
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: new in the industry. I wanted to stay a police officer.

814
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: UM layoffs were happening a lot at that time, two

815
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: thousand ten, and UM they were hiring one officer, and

816
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: I think I was I was the only one I know,

817
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: was the only one hired. I think there's like a

818
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: hundred fifty applicants, and so at this point, I'm just

819
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 1: happy to have a job, right But I got there,

820
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: and it's a way different style of policing, you know,

821
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: way different because you don't have they'll kick you out

822
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the city too. You drive through Millbrady, don't they don't

823
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: have They don't have the um you know, the action

824
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: that Oakland consistently has right, and so the attitudes are different,

825
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, um, attitudes are way different. It's a little

826
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: bit more like, um, what you what you think cops

827
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: are like that are very very you know, um you know,

828
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: quick to judgment. Oh totally yeah. Like I said, I

829
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: drove driven through Millbrad, been in Millbray, got arrested in Millbray.

830
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: All because of that Millbray p D. Was no joke.

831
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: They didn't work around. They're like like yo, they get

832
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: after fat ash over here. It wasn't it wasn't a

833
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: place for me. I really, I really loved Oakland, you know,

834
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: I love I just loved everything about it. I did

835
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: the same things I did in Oakland, never been arrested.

836
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I got arrested twice in Millbreak when I worked at

837
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: wild Man for doing radio bullshit. Since for reals, I

838
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: did forty nine days for a step that I did

839
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: in Millbreak and that same county. So here's I was

840
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: at the Samchany sam Mateo County jail. This is this

841
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: is what people I think should understand. Law enforcement does

842
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: a horrible job of of of disseminating information that should

843
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: be available to anybody. And you know, I get a

844
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Speaker 1: lot of questions, a lot of calls, and I'm happy

845
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and and I think, you know,

846
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: people are looking for that information. But you know, you

847
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: got arrested in San Mateo County, which is one of

848
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Speaker 1: the strictest counties in the Bay Area, Right, I did

849
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: forty nine. I got got hit for four nine days.

850
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Speaker 1: They made me serve it's a bull story. It's a

851
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: fun story. But he no, here's the funny ready for.

852
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: I was dressed I'm not crazy, though, dressed in an

853
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: orange jumpsuit that said County jail on the back. And

854
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I went knocking door to door in radio on the radio,

855
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: asking if I could borrow a Hacksall cops came at gunpoints,

856
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: and the stunt was how many houses can I go

857
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: to before the cops come? Three in Millbra Okay, folks,

858
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: this is a normal size street. One house went to

859
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Speaker 1: the next one, crossed the street to the next house.

860
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: By the time I get to the third house, cops

861
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: get to me at gunpoint. They didn't stop. They gunpointed me,

862
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: cocked and loaded. It's a radio stretches. This gun to

863
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Speaker 1: your head, look like a radio stute down and was

864
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: a oh boy, you guys don't play it around here.

865
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: And and the ironic party, it was like the Mayor's

866
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: house or something. It was the d a's grandmother's house.

867
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: The second house I went into, she locked herself in

868
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: the bathroom, so she was all piste off and he

869
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: was all piste off. So they hit me with false

870
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: creating one emergency within her radius of a mile of

871
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Speaker 1: That was the crime I created by astly creating a

872
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Speaker 1: nine one one emergency within a mile of an elementary school.

873
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Forty nine days in jail, convict. That's why I say,

874
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: no joke, you know you? And then I take myself

875
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: on a on a bub because after that happened, I

876
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: was harassing the police department afterwards, because they took me

877
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: in and blah blah blah. And so then I take

878
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: myself to a light pool in the city and they

879
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: take me in for that ship because afterwards, of course

880
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: you can't just you know, harass me and harass me.

881
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: I gotta think I'm our morning show. Thought we were

882
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: bigger than everybody, even the police department. And I played

883
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the price for it. You know what, I mean being

884
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: the idiot, so of course, you know, being a young hockey.

885
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Speaker 1: On that note, guys, you know I I do want

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890
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Speaker 1: one on one. When we come back c C Security

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Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh one Mark and Craig de Poper.

899
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: There's that Law Blue and Joe Grande And now my

900
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: favorite time of the show with our guests, security consultant

901
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: former police officer Chris Edgar's the High Five. Chris, it's

902
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: your time to shine. Brother from a former police officer

903
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: rock in the bag from Oakland to San Francisco to

904
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: all over the Bay. He's here in l A. How

905
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: old are you The first time you cannabis and where'd

906
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: you get it from? In Millbrey a week ago? Right

907
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: after the day I quit. I was in the mission

908
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: in Frisco. First time? High school? High school? Was the

909
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: first time that I smoked? And I got where was that?

910
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: What's the pleasant end? Liver livermore. I was actually in

911
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Rhonor Park though, visiting my sister at Sonoma State, and

912
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: one of her roommates gave it, oh nine, high school?

913
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: It was it was garbage. Does that mean you had

914
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: to lie when you became a police officer to tell

915
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: them that you never smoked before? Yeah? Okay. They hire

916
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: cops that say, oh, yeah, smoked. Who do you think

917
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: they are? Biden? I want to talk about I'm disappointed alright.

918
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: Question number two of the Cannabis Talk one on one

919
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: high five. What is your favorite way to use cannabis?

920
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: Um gummies? Any day only at night before bed? What

921
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: is it evening time? Yeah, evening time? I like it. Um.

922
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, I think, I mean, you know, aches and

923
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: pains and stuff like that I don't take Abville now anymore. Um,

924
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, gummy helps a lot. It's always nice.

925
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Question number three of the high five, Craziest place you've

926
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: ever used or smoked cannabis? Mmm, craziest place in the

927
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: squad car arrested. I was smoking under this dude who

928
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: had taped himself to a light pole on Camino. That's

929
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: where I did. Of course, that's where I did it.

930
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: You know how Comedo goes right through the town, so

931
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: that in and out Yeah, well in and out wasn't

932
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: there at the time when I did that. It was

933
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: before there was like another little corner fucking bakery or

934
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: breakfast shop there. But yeah, you know on Caminos where

935
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: I s But the craziest place it wasn't under me,

936
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: being a light pole. Uh. You know, I'm still I'm

937
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: still waiting for that one, you know. So I'm taking

938
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm taking options. God, it'd be great if you're in

939
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: the back of a cop car for your buddies quick.

940
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Why not? Hey? Thanks, Larry, take care? Does anyone know

941
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: Larry all Hey Larry, my name is Larry all Right.

942
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: What is your go to Munchie's after you get high? Barbecue?

943
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Lesbecue and then those sweet and sour crawlers. You know,

944
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: you think my house is full of stoner's, My kids

945
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: must be stoners right now, question number five of the

946
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: High five with Foreign Police Officer Chris Egger's now with

947
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: c C Security Solutions. You can go to the website

948
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Speaker 1: c C Security Solutions dot com our fee. Feel free

949
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: to give him a call if you're looking for some

950
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Speaker 1: security solutions. That's nine to five, nine to two, one

951
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: zero six seven. If you could smoke cannabis with anyone

952
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: dead are alive, who would it be in Nipsy Hustle

953
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: didn't think so quickly on the Nipsey. Yeah, I'm a

954
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: big fan of Nipsey. I'm a big fan of hip

955
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: hop in general. But I I love what Nipsey was

956
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: doing in his community, very authentic, love his music. He

957
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: was growing up in that East Bay. He were really

958
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: feeling all the good forties. You know, It's totally It's

959
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: funny because you know, all my friends were listening to

960
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: like rock and stuff in my the first CD I

961
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: remember really really you know bumping was Bone Thugs East

962
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, and I was like the only one

963
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: in my my you know, friend group that listened to

964
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: rap but um always always. I mean you're not too

965
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: far though from me forty I mean he lives right

966
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: there in black Hawk. Yeah, I was closer to to

967
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Dame Dollar, the real Brookfield, you know, being from the

968
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Bay Area and doing police work out there. Did you

969
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: ever have a chance to work with Vice President Kamala Harris?

970
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Did you ever do anything? Never cross pass? Never cross pass?

971
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: Interesting because, as Mark just alluded to, that got me

972
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: all piste off thinking about how they're slack can on

973
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: this whole fucking turn the eye to legalizing it and

974
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: making it okay. We're gonna get into some stories about

975
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: that in another podcast, but I have ritting down. But

976
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show so much, Chris.

977
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that we can promote for your

978
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: push out there? Make sure you check out our podcast

979
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: as well. Off the record, A copping a lawyer with

980
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: the criminal defense attorney out of San Diego, Stefanomalaya. Great,

981
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: great guy. We kind of just discussed criminal coping a lawyer.

982
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Yeah? Off the record, A

983
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: coppin a lawyer, So it's O t R underscore or

984
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: under dash right whatever, A coppon a lawyer. UM, we

985
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: just kind of discussed, you know, um, three things that

986
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: you need to know, let's say in a d u

987
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: I investigation, right, and I give you my perspective. You know,

988
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: for instance, you don't have to take the s F

989
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: S T S. You do not have to blow into

990
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: the pass machine roadside if you are arrested, though, you

991
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: do have to submit to chemical testing blood breath or urine.

992
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: And people don't understand that. And so you know, we

993
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: just kind of again, I don't think that this information

994
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: that I have over you know, over a decade of

995
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 1: law enforcement experience, should be privileged. I think that local

996
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: coal agencies can do a much better job of putting

997
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: out information that really helps people understand what their rights are.

998
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: And therefore, hopefully there's less friction on the street and

999
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, we can just you know, handle our business peacefully.

1000
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: What do you think of the script? I love it?

1001
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I mean Mark, you remember I reached out

1002
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: about a year ago and I was like, hey, man,

1003
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a cop. I love it. I've had

1004
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: so remember I have a couple of buddies who and

1005
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: I've had it used on me. I love it. You

1006
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to me. That's fine. I know

1007
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the rules of the game, and I know that that

1008
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: you're not You don't have to talk to me. I

1009
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: don't take it personally, just keep it moving. But a

1010
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of cops do. It's because it's

1011
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: because they don't understand the rules of the game that

1012
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: they're playing. And and you know, there should be a

1013
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: way to address that. That is that is real, that

1014
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: effects real change. Because if you come, if I stop you,

1015
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: if I stop you, hey, and I start asking you questions,

1016
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: you say I don't want to talk to you. Cool.

1017
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm either gonna I need your idea, right you would

1018
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: take it, or I'll be like, cool, you don't want

1019
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: to talk to men? Right, right, We're just both gonna

1020
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: go right. It shouldn't be this battle. I mean, how

1021
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: many times have you seen that? And then it escalates?

1022
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: Why I get it every day. I was talking to

1023
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody today who was was pulled over and the passenger

1024
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: the cops started talking to the passenger and he said,

1025
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not discussing my day with you. Oh you're gonna

1026
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: be like that, huh, Now get out and you're come back,

1027
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: And then just ripped into the guy be like what

1028
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, using the rights. That's the tactic that a

1029
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of cops used to scare people to not get

1030
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: them to talk. And then, you know, filming is another one.

1031
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: I was on. I went on you guys know Mr Checkpoint.

1032
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: I went on his live you know, not that long ago. Um,

1033
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, filming the police is is something that for

1034
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: whatever reason, gets cops all fucking sad. Right, and so

1035
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't have a phone on me, But let's say

1036
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: this is my phone and and and I'm filming. I

1037
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: loved it because that's one less hand. I need to

1038
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: watch right, right, and so and so great looking at

1039
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: and what are we gonna what are we gonna argue about?

1040
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: You're filming me? Now? Now there is language right and

1041
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: rules about a safe distance. But let's assume that everyone

1042
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: is impede. Right, Let's say they're not and they're just filming.

1043
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean it never bothered me. Well,

1044
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: that's because you were doing the right thing, right, Because

1045
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: because because if someone's over there, toughen somebody up or

1046
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: roughing them up or whatever. You know, now, the cops

1047
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: like I can't really do what I would normally do,

1048
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: which is why they get upset in my opinion, right,

1049
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: because some let's be honest, I mean, there's some cops

1050
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: that are super cool and they're just like, what's up,

1051
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: but like, you know, have a nice day, take your

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00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: ticket and go. Then there's the other cop that has,

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00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, this ego and this you know, um militant

1054
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: attitude towards you that is sometimes threatening and scary. And

1055
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: so that's their approach to the scene. And and I

1056
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: could some someone understand it because they want they're taught

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00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 1: to take control of the of the the arena, right,

1058
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: but at one point, you know, when we're losing lives

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00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: in our country and and there's no lack of education,

1060
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: and then then if you can't see that's happening, then

1061
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: then there's a bigger problem, right, you know, and you

1062
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: touched on it. Take control? But what does that? What

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00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: does that look like? And And to me, I always

1064
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: view law enforcement from a salesman point of view. If

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00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: I get called to this room right here, and I've

1066
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: got you know, four people over here and three people

1067
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: over here, I need to know what the outcome of

1068
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: that of that call is, right, I need to know

1069
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: that there's what the action items I needed to achieve

1070
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: our Now you can go about that being very authoritative

1071
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: and just hope that people you know, fucking listen to

1072
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: you and and you know, bout down to you, or

1073
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: you can go in and and I always, you know,

1074
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: relied on on my mouthpiece. I want to talk to you.

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00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: I want to learn about what's going on. I want

1076
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: to really address it from a salesman point of view

1077
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: and sell you into the idea of what I need

1078
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,959
Speaker 1: you to do versus you know, physically have to go there.

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00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: You know, listen, I'm already you know, not good looking enough.

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00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't need a broken nose, right, you know what

1081
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I mean, so I need a reason

1082
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: you'd punch me, and then I do escalated to I mean,

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00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean listen, like there there are times when police

1084
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: officers have to touch people. There are, but there are

1085
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times that you don't. I got a question.

1086
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: Did you ever fire your weapon? No, I mean not

1087
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: not that ever been in a shoot? Did you draw it? Oh? Yeah,

1088
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: more than a bunch of times or a bunch of times. Yeah,

1089
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I think, you know, I think

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00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: it's important for people to understand, like when when I

1091
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: started my career, pointing out a firearm wasn't the use

1092
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: of force. It was not a documentable use of force,

1093
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: and it is now right and so, um, but how

1094
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: does that change the game for you guys? Well, you know,

1095
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I always always thought about it like this, if I

1096
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: do have to shoot at some point, I want to

1097
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: be able to show all the times that I pulled

1098
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: my weapon and didn't and so what was different about

1099
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: this one time? Right? And so you know, and whether

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00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: you do with law enforcement and the d m V

1101
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: anybody in the government, you know, you want to have

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00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: a paper trail. But me too, That's how I always

1103
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: viewed it was, if I have to do that, and

1104
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: I hope I never have to do that, and I'm

1105
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: fucking so thankful I never had to do that. Um.

1106
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, but if you do use force, you have

1107
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: to has to one be justifiable right, actually justifiable right.

1108
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: You have to have a lawful reason to use that

1109
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: force and explain why. I mean, articulation is a big

1110
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: word in law enforcement, right, speaking of law enforcement, and

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00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking in Oakland, mushrooms became legal in Oakland.

1112
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: Did you deal with that? See that? What was your

1113
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: take on it? Do you have one. I don't know

1114
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: enough about it to to sit here and confidently tell

1115
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: you that I have an opinion. So, um, I guess

1116
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: my response would be that I'm open to, uh, you know,

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00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: learning more about it and talking to people who have

1118
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: experienced with it and feel one way or another. You

1119
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: didn't see anybody were like, oh, these cats are all

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00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: streamed out. I don't know. I'm not gonna even go

1121
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: over there now. But you know, it's funny that there was, um,

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00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean kind of going away from trooms and back

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: to cannabis a little bit, there was an overtime event. Um.

1124
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I didn't sign up for it, but I was busy,

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: but I remember learning about this overtime event and there's

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00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of cops going. You know, it's going to

1127
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: be this like block party with like weed, right, like,

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00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: oh what a headache? And I'm like, dummy, like would

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00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: you rather like would you rather be around a hundred

1130
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: people who are fucking hammered, right or a hundred people

1131
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: who are stone? I mean, I'll take that all day long,

1132
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 1: right like you just but but the other people maybe

1133
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: I have have never smoked or known people who have smoked,

1134
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: And so again, I think experiences is key to being

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00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: successful in law enforcement, or at least being successful for

1136
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: the community that you serve. You know, I think the

1137
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: barometer of how we judge success needs to change significantly.

1138
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: It's too bad there's not more cops like that. And

1139
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, I would think maybe even

1140
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: or let me ask you in the training, is there

1141
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: like a taboo of these people are smoking weed? This

1142
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: is how you handle this rather than showing a normal

1143
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: here's a lawyer who's cannabis or you know, like, yeah,

1144
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: you once you smell it, that's your probable cause because

1145
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: when you started, that was probable cause for search. Now

1146
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: it's not exactly exactly. I'll tell you this. I took

1147
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: a class, one of the last classes that I took

1148
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: post certified and for people listening post POSCS Police Officer

1149
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: Standards and Training, it's the d m V for a

1150
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: car right for cops UM and there was it was

1151
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: a marijuana d u I Investigations And I'm a d

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00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: r E Drug Rescognition expert already, so this training was

1153
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: I've already had it, but I wanted to take it

1154
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: and kind of just listen. It was an eight hour

1155
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: course certified by the state, and this instructor was going

1156
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: on and on about how bad cannabis is and and

1157
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: these people, you know, and again I told you if

1158
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: somebody in my family who was an alcoholic now uses

1159
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: cannabis and is just flourishing, right and and how you know,

1160
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: people still say that I'm using air quotes, that they're clean,

1161
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: but they're using cannabis and it it's just it was

1162
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: mind boggling to me. I think this. I think one

1163
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: of my goals in making this move is again using

1164
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: my background to be an advocate for normalcy cannabis use, right,

1165
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: I mean, it has so many benefits. Um I got

1166
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: injured in and the first thing they did was muscle relaxers,

1167
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: not physical therapy, of course, not cannabis, but just throw pills, pills, pills, pills, pills,

1168
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a space for that. I'm not

1169
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: a doctor, so I can't. I would take one right

1170
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: now if you have, right, but you know, anything right

1171
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: now to sit there and talk to cops, right and

1172
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: that And that's setting about how cannabis leads to all

1173
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: these horrible things I thought was just bullshit. Is has

1174
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: it changed yet? Do you know? Is it turning with

1175
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: the treatment of how they're training police officers. I don't

1176
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: think so. And I think that again, you know, as

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00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: local law enforcement can continues to have a hand in

1178
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: the industry, whether on the permitting side or on the

1179
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: post permitting side, with regulation and compliance checks. I think

1180
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: it's important to know, Um, at least you know that

1181
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: you could pick up the phone and call somebody who

1182
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: understands that world. Because even the story of New York,

1183
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: they just passed the law saying the smell is not

1184
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: probable cause anymore. I would imagine every cop that has

1185
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: gone through the system, that's what they're trained to do.

1186
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: They don't just turn it off, but you should, right, Like, yeah,

1187
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: you should. You shouldn't, you know, put your knee on

1188
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: someone's neck for seven right, right? I think I think

1189
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: you know. There was a documentary I watched on Netflix

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00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: about cannabis and it was uh Colorado, one of the

1191
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: first dispensaries that opened up, and they showed it was

1192
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: it was legal as permitted, their paying taxes. Thing was blessed, right,

1193
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it was, it was a righteous business. And

1194
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: they showed the police chief out there like this just

1195
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like why, Like what do you care? Like,

1196
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: why do you care so much? The laws changed? Your

1197
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: job is to enforce those laws or not enforced laws

1198
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: that aren't good anymore. Why are you spending your energy caring?

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: You know? I walked into dispensaries when I was a

1200
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: footbeat in San Francisco, just to introduce myself. And I

1201
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: had a sergeant see that, uh and asked me what

1202
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: were you doing in there? Like saying, what's up? You know?

1203
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm the footbeat downtown and and this

1204
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: is near my post. I introduced them, shook, shook their

1205
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: hand and and said give me a call if you

1206
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: need anything, you know. But and I was I was

1207
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: always kind of a mouthy. I was never afraid to

1208
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: talk back to a boss if they were wrong. No,

1209
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. And anyone who knows me,

1210
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you, you know, if you were wrong

1211
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: and you weren't right, I'm gonna tell you. So, you know,

1212
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: he's like, what are you doing in there? I'm like saying,

1213
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: what's up? No, I don't go in there. I'm like,

1214
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't tell me not to go into

1215
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: the gap. Yeah, you can't tell me not to go

1216
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: in to Westfield Mall. I mean they're tax paying business.

1217
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: I want to say what's up and make sure everything's cool.

1218
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: They appreciated it, right, I mean who do I really?

1219
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: Who do I really work for? Right? Yeah, don't go

1220
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: to red Burn, but you go on the Strip club

1221
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: out for a little bit there. Okay, I think some

1222
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: of some of it, Chris, maybe that you know, do

1223
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: you have other family members that are police officers? So

1224
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: so that was my point and I was hoping you

1225
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: said that because that's how I felt. Um, some of

1226
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: these guys have probably you know, five generations, five generations

1227
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: of parents that have been through long enforcement, and they

1228
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: have this lifestyle mentality. Yeah, well, you know, I can't

1229
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: judge him. I'm not judging them all. I'm just saying

1230
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: who though you're you're alluding to you, I'm saying that

1231
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: he's a police officer by choice versus the guy that

1232
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: grew up with My dad was a cop. This is

1233
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: how we rock. You know, he's probably very militant through

1234
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: his life, and so they that comes out in them

1235
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: in their training of who they are as a person

1236
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: versus as even as a police officer. And so someone

1237
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: like Chris, I didn't see that in him. Even when

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: they're having this conversation, I feel like he's just he's

1239
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: a he's a police officer. He chose to go into

1240
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: law enforcement, and then he's there with all these people

1241
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: that aren't quite like him, and he's willing to tell

1242
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: them when they're wrong because he sees a different point

1243
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: of view than most police officers probably do, which is

1244
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: the difference between the good and the bad cops. You know,

1245
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: and there's good and bad and every you know, job

1246
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: and everything that we do in life. So thanks for

1247
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: being a good cop. Appreciation Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Man,

1248
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And uh, guys, listen to this man.

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: It's Canapis Talk one on one. We want to tell

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01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: you remember this if no one else loves you. We

1251
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one oh one

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