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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
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Speaker 1: old as fuck. Please welcome the young, the talented Garrison, David,
Speaker 1: Brilliant Carson.
Speaker 2: I like that at Genie Alfredo, maybe like twice a year.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, there's a limit more than that.
Speaker 2: It's a little much, but yeah, twice a year. I
Speaker 2: sometimes will be like, you know what I want? I
Speaker 2: want some Alfredo?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, give me that afraid. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm acting like I'm over the cream.
Speaker 1: I still like eggnog.
Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, Okay, yeah no, you cannot be talking as
Speaker 2: you're chugging down the dog. But I am also an
Speaker 2: eggnog defender. But but hey, now like you can't you
Speaker 2: can't be trash and clam chowder and then like chugging eggnog.
Speaker 2: Secretly you like you like turn around, you have a
Speaker 2: hidden jug Come on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say.
Speaker 1: The thing that I like about eggnog is that it
Speaker 1: doesn't have any chunks of clam in it. Okay, one
Speaker 1: of the top things personally, Jack and I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta show you the thing I make every Christmas clam
Speaker 1: knock knock sounds gross. No, Garrison, it's been way too long,
Speaker 1: very too long. How have you been.
Speaker 2: I've been good. I moved to the East coast of
Speaker 2: the United States of America. I have been unbelievably busy
Speaker 2: and had my mind destroyed attending political conventions last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're at the r n C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the d n C. And frankly, the d
Speaker 2: n C actually was more like a like a drill
Speaker 2: to my mind. Like I was prepared for the r
Speaker 2: n C. I have like psychic defenses, right, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like good. The d n Z like messed me up.
Speaker 1: Though we study these people. What is it about it?
Speaker 1: Is it the dissonance of the d n C. What
Speaker 1: what what about the d n C was so they
Speaker 1: are Yeah, Well, we talked about like drilled to the head,
Speaker 1: to the brain reference the end of Pie. We we
Speaker 1: talked about taking a thera gun to the head, yeah,
Speaker 1: being the thing.
Speaker 4: That we all need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that Monday morning hard reset is what we
Speaker 1: call it, you know, just a thera gun to the temple.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what what about that? What was it about
Speaker 1: the d n C.
Speaker 2: The dissonance is like one aspect, it's also like it's
Speaker 2: everyone's so convinced that like they're like the adults, like
Speaker 2: this is this is the real adult convention. You know,
Speaker 2: we're not doing that that crazy stuff like the other
Speaker 2: table is doing. This is this is the adults table.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, as they completely like lose touch on like
Speaker 2: the cultural moment and refuse to stand up for the
Speaker 2: things that they, you know, you know, would nominally claim
Speaker 2: to like care about, and just demonstrate complete spindlessness, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it was it was. It was very it
Speaker 2: was very disheartening, more so than just the the kind
Speaker 2: of wacky bizarro land of the r n C, which,
Speaker 2: while like arguably slightly more evil, I'm like so prepared
Speaker 2: for because like it's it's it's the obvious, like you know,
Speaker 2: mass deportation convention. Is like, you know, the biggest, biggest
Speaker 2: thing there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we uh uncovered this video on the aftermath that
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess other people had known about about this,
Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris activation at fashion Week? Is that where
Speaker 1: it was Paris Fashion Week or New York Fashion Fashion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just had like a right Jenga tower and
Speaker 1: I like grab them by the pussy grammar claw machine
Speaker 1: and just all these like weird like things that you
Speaker 1: would swear were ham fisted satire if they weren't there
Speaker 1: at an event that was like Hot Girl Brat Summer
Speaker 1: Wall where you can take a picture and prove that
Speaker 1: you're the Brat of the Harris campaign. It was so wild,
Speaker 1: but yeah, again make makes you feel like it just
Speaker 1: feel it feels like a dream I would have when
Speaker 1: I am spiking the worst fever in the history of
Speaker 1: my body. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Last year was a really dark summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you've mispronounced Brett Brat. I think
Speaker 1: it was. It was a really Brett summer. That's right.
Speaker 3: Just wear Brat green like Timothy Shallomey and then like
Speaker 3: all your worries go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Show what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that's revealing about.
Speaker 5: Who you are, you know, as the skateboarding liaison to
Speaker 5: this podcast. What I was looking at. I was just
Speaker 5: in Arizona for the Slow Impact Gathering, which is this
Speaker 5: like a kind of academic skateboard conference thing, so I
Speaker 5: was looking at the schedule for that.
Speaker 3: But it is so sick.
Speaker 5: It's put on with this dude, Ryan Leigh, who's profer
Speaker 5: New Balance and sci fi fantasy and so many highlights.
Speaker 5: I got to do stand up for like one hundred
Speaker 5: skateboarders in Macywo Town skate shop out there, which is
Speaker 5: a rad skate shop, met some pros, just sixteen year
Speaker 5: old more was just thrilled with the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was that's pretty cool. Yeah, and you are skateboarding
Speaker 1: as you're doing stand up and they're skateboarding along with you.
Speaker 1: Is that Yeah? Yeah, I'm really long. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh I broke my wrist.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice slow impact it's called slow Impact. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5: It's like there's a there's a guy, the student in
Speaker 5: Ted Schmid who's got a PhD in architecture, and he
Speaker 5: took us a ride and gave us a tour of
Speaker 5: ASU where he just talked about like this building was
Speaker 5: built by Frank Lloyd Right's son, and this ledge is
Speaker 5: one of the earliest flat top ledges in Arizona. Like
Speaker 5: shit like that. It was like very niche and very reating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Frank Lloyd right son like a great
Speaker 1: architect and also a skater.
Speaker 5: He was a not a skater, his son in law,
Speaker 5: but very clearly was like Frank Lloyd Right but made
Speaker 5: a building there and it's huge. And then Frank Loyd
Speaker 5: Right's son in law has one that's like kind of
Speaker 5: standing in its shadows, sort of sadly in this like
Speaker 5: oedipal complex way that dead put it out. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was Wow, it never ends. That's Frank Lloyd Right. I'd
Speaker 5: hate the bit Flank Lloyd Wrong.
Speaker 6: I also I think this no bit I think my
Speaker 6: wife read like a slightly erotic novel about Frank law Right,
Speaker 6: and I think it was called Loving Frank.
Speaker 3: If I'm off, hold on if I'm off, Loving Frank.
Speaker 5: Book more like Frank Horny Right.
Speaker 1: It is thank you, thank you also really good guys. Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was about an adulterous affair that he had
Speaker 3: with a woman. All right, there you go. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you want to get a horn woman.
Speaker 1: And there's steamy descriptions like that in the book. So
Speaker 1: here comes Frank Lloyd Right, and there's this woman and
Speaker 1: they're gonna get it on. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He took off whatever the hell it was she was wearing.
Speaker 5: You described it as somewhat erotic, and then that's exactly
Speaker 5: what your description was.
Speaker 1: That is the genre. Actually, it's not erotic fiction. It's
Speaker 1: somewhat erotic fiction. I tried and it was pretty okay.
Speaker 1: They weren't sure if they were going to keep doing it,
Speaker 1: but you know, he had Jack. No, got's so clinical.
Speaker 1: There's some wild, wild stuff. I went and saw a
Speaker 1: falling water. I think that's the big famous house outside
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh that Frank Loyd Right made. And there's a
Speaker 1: story from his past that I don't I don't have
Speaker 1: in front of me, but it's basically like this horrible
Speaker 1: horror movie style massacre that happened at his house to
Speaker 1: his family, like while he was out of town. That
Speaker 1: is a little known story that I don't know. We're
Speaker 1: worth looking up. It's a it's just a I'll give
Speaker 1: you a little Wikipedia wreck if you if you want
Speaker 1: to look up Frank Lloyd Wright's family. Yeah fucking wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like at like this beautiful house that he had built
Speaker 1: and then and like one of the people who worked
Speaker 1: there just went wild with an axe one day on
Speaker 1: the whole family. Crazy story. Holy moly, I bet that's
Speaker 1: not in your little uh kind of sort of erotic
Speaker 1: fiction book, Blake. Uh. Like, I'm sorry, I said, Frank horny, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jesus guy was horny, though I think he was out
Speaker 1: of the affair.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I have one more story that I
Speaker 5: think is interesting from the Skate Weekend, which is that, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's this pro named Tom Caranngelo.
Speaker 4: He was sick.
Speaker 5: He's pro for New Balance, and he's he's like an
Speaker 5: interesting artful dude, which skateboarding is an art form, whether
Speaker 5: you recognize it or not.
Speaker 4: So he did.
Speaker 5: He had an interview where he was talking about he goes.
Speaker 1: On this podcast, not on this podcast, but.
Speaker 5: You guys are pro cop I know that you guys.
Speaker 1: Don't you hate the beautiful? Why can't you listen to
Speaker 1: them when they say no skating here? Why can't you
Speaker 1: listen to them?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So this dude does this, did this thing where
Speaker 5: he's a cinephile. So he goes to all these different
Speaker 5: places and looks for skate spots and he's super into
Speaker 5: John Carpenter. So there's just there's this whole thing where
Speaker 5: they follow him around like all of Pasadena to all
Speaker 5: these different parts where they filmed Halloween, and that he's
Speaker 5: like skating spots around there. And my wife is friends
Speaker 5: with John Carpenter kind of like he's a big gamer
Speaker 5: and she is in the gaming industry. She does voice
Speaker 5: she's like the head of a you know, franchise, she
Speaker 5: does video game voices. Wow, And I sent I had
Speaker 5: her send John Carpenter this interview with this skateboarder, and
Speaker 5: then he responded so that I was able to tell
Speaker 5: Tom Carangelo of like, hey, John Carpenter saw that video.
Speaker 5: I know that for sure, and he was like, dude,
Speaker 5: that made my life, thank you so much, like he
Speaker 5: was so hyped to hear this. It was just a
Speaker 5: very just a true life highlight for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a fun sort of epilogue to a
Speaker 1: career like on Carpenter great one of the great filmmakers,
Speaker 1: maybe the greatest of like the eighties, and people are like,
Speaker 1: why doesn't he make movies anymore? Did he pass away
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 7: Like no, he just like discovered video games and he
Speaker 7: was like, holy shit, these are so fucking fun.
Speaker 1: This is sick. Just doesn't make movies anymore. People are like,
Speaker 1: why don't you make movies? Like video games are really fun?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's just like to get high and watch
Speaker 1: video games.
Speaker 5: It's like an angsty teen in his basement.
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't want to work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, basically and anyplace he We went and saw him
Speaker 5: at the Palladium and it's pretty sick. He has a
Speaker 5: band that just plays John Carpenter's style music and there's
Speaker 5: like smoke effects and it's like pretty dark.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he made Oh he made a lot of
Speaker 1: music for his movies. Yeah. What is something that you
Speaker 1: think Alex is underrated?
Speaker 9: I I don't know if it's underrated because I don't
Speaker 9: know how it's being read. I know how it's being
Speaker 9: read outside of the state of Maine, but how it's
Speaker 9: being read inside of this It made a different as
Speaker 9: I think. You know, I'm originally from the state of Maine,
Speaker 9: and our governor of the state of Maine, Janet Mills,
Speaker 9: did a little Trump clap back this week, and I
Speaker 9: think like it's being properly raided by anyone outside of
Speaker 9: the state of Maine, and I think people inside of
Speaker 9: the state of main have like weird, sort of conflicted
Speaker 9: partisan feelings about it. But I just want to say
Speaker 9: that it should be better rated than it is, that
Speaker 9: at least one government had in Maine had the strength
Speaker 9: to push back against extreme government over Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean Trump really showed how strong he was
Speaker 3: by just picking on the woman in the room immediately
Speaker 3: to fucking be like, where are you at You're not
Speaker 3: gonna comply?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, many people, Yeah, well i'll see you in court.
Speaker 3: And when he said, okay, well we'll see you in courted, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: Well and that went really easy, like it turned into
Speaker 3: like a weird fucking bingo hall argument.
Speaker 7: Last word off yeah all right, oh yeah, yeah, good
Speaker 7: luck with that ship.
Speaker 9: And it just makes it like puts me at a
Speaker 9: total loss for why everyone who disagrees with them doesn't
Speaker 9: do it, because I know that obviously they're gonna do
Speaker 9: some sort of like uh insane they you know, theatrical
Speaker 9: investigation or whatever in order to do it, But like
Speaker 9: he just looks so silly when anyone says nah, no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, oh, because she's like, we're gonna I think
Speaker 3: the line was like, well, we're going to comply with
Speaker 3: a federal I was like, yeah.
Speaker 7: Well what I am a federal law?
Speaker 1: All right? All right, famous.
Speaker 3: Famous Don Pardo, Dono, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 3: to my daughter's wedding.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so you're saying that in Maine, people are
Speaker 1: mad because people people I.
Speaker 9: Know who I who I like and respect, but maybe
Speaker 9: have different political opinions on it, or you know, are
Speaker 9: kind of reading it like why are we threatening our
Speaker 9: state funding by like taking on this fight, And it's like, well,
Speaker 9: we're doing it because we're practical. Government overreaches bad in
Speaker 9: the end might be bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9: People there are there are well meaning people who see
Speaker 9: this because they don't see trans people as equal, right,
Speaker 9: and don't realize that, you know, there are like, what
Speaker 9: a handful of visibly or sort of like or identifiably
Speaker 9: trans people who play sports at this level in the
Speaker 9: first place, So this is just an entirely made up fight.
Speaker 9: They imagine that this is a silly thing to put
Speaker 9: state funding at risk for, when in fact, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 9: you should push back against this in any form that
Speaker 9: it comes up. This is bad, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you say, like, I think we have different political
Speaker 3: views yours Alex being I like to speak up against stuff,
Speaker 3: and they're like the keep your fucking head low, man,
Speaker 3: man ship your fuck up.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I am allergic to keeping my head low.
Speaker 1: So yeah, welcome, welcome. You would have done bad in
Speaker 1: World War One, but we're glad you're here now. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I have I know, guys, I have been told by
Speaker 9: snipers that I would not do well in the battle.
Speaker 1: What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: Vince?
Speaker 10: Yes, television not not for TV? What are you doing
Speaker 10: not for the TV podcast? Celebrity hosted podcast TV? All right,
Speaker 10: focus on No, it's just uh, it feels like homework
Speaker 10: now you can't it's just every it's just there's there's
Speaker 10: a bunch of different shows on a bunch of different
Speaker 10: channels and you can't remember which one and like where
Speaker 10: you're watching each of them and how far you're in.
Speaker 10: It's just a it's too much. It's like my brain,
Speaker 10: my a D D brain. It's having a lot of
Speaker 10: trouble with these days.
Speaker 3: I think like I'm maxed out at whatever the program
Speaker 3: offerings were around two thousand and six or seven. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that was around like when I'm like, yeah, bro, I'm
Speaker 3: up on everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was our most things.
Speaker 4: That was like every show was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Oh maybe that's what I'm thinking bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened to when it was good?
Speaker 11: All they still knew they were making TV back in
Speaker 11: the day, And now they're like, we're gonna make the
Speaker 11: twelve part movie and I'm like, guess what. That's not
Speaker 11: how I'm watching it. And now I don't know what's
Speaker 11: going on in seventh anymore, and I don't feel like
Speaker 11: going back to try and figure it out. Too complicated
Speaker 11: I've lost.
Speaker 3: Is there like a I mean, Vince and Matt like,
Speaker 3: you guys, are you talk about hashtag content a lot?
Speaker 3: Is there a phrase for like this feeling? Because I
Speaker 3: think I talk about this a lot. So why I
Speaker 3: don't know half of the Marvel films because it's too
Speaker 3: many came out and I'm like, yeah, bro. At a
Speaker 3: certain point, the discourse just takes off and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not putting in the fucking effort to be able
Speaker 3: to participate because I didn't care enough to begin with.
Speaker 3: But like that feeling of being overwhelmed by the amount
Speaker 3: of fucking TV and streaming shit that is, and.
Speaker 1: Just like I fuck it all. Actually I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: old episodes of some other shit. I think.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think we're all siloed like in our different
Speaker 11: you know, content bubbles. And I think like we've maybe
Speaker 11: passed peak Piggy, like a few years ago, because like
Speaker 11: at a certain point, like Marvel stopped making movies that
Speaker 11: were supposed to you know, I mean, they still want
Speaker 11: them to be big events, but they listen to the
Speaker 11: piggies way too much. So now they are like strictly
Speaker 11: for like the hardcore Marvel Piggy that really the.
Speaker 4: Hogs are in control of the of the slot factory.
Speaker 11: The hogs are at the wheel of the tractor.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And so like you, you end up having way
Speaker 12: too much content out there that's all shitty and is all.
Speaker 12: What's worse is it's all interconnected. So in order to
Speaker 12: understand one piece of slot, you have to already be
Speaker 12: familiar with the previous slot portions.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's just and if.
Speaker 11: You're watching a Marvel movie, like you kind of judge
Speaker 11: the reactions of the people around you to figure out
Speaker 11: if you're supposed to know a character that shows up
Speaker 11: on social.
Speaker 4: Cues to understand Superhero movie.
Speaker 3: You know, I was forget. It's like the kind of
Speaker 3: share like a character will come in like peak their
Speaker 3: head and be like, oh sorry and close the door,
Speaker 3: and it was like, yeah.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, you're like they've been doing that with the
Speaker 13: goddamn Winter Soldier for like the last ten years. Every
Speaker 13: single time I've seen him on screen, there's been like
Speaker 13: this reaction where everybody's.
Speaker 11: Like, oh my god, it's Bucky Barnes. I'm like, I
Speaker 11: don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: Why am I.
Speaker 4: Supposed to know that?
Speaker 3: I'm only I know it's from season one in Flavor
Speaker 3: of Love.
Speaker 12: That's right, that's right back again TV, back to two
Speaker 12: thousand and six.
Speaker 3: I'm stuck nineteen years ago. You should try it out,
Speaker 3: gen Z.
Speaker 11: You know what, though, like the whole country is stuck
Speaker 11: in that era because that was the era of programming
Speaker 11: that gave us The Apprentice, which essentially created the myth
Speaker 11: of Donald Trump. Before that, like he was a failed businessman.
Speaker 11: They went into Trump to I just read the book
Speaker 11: about one of the books about Trump. They like the
Speaker 11: producers of that show went into Trump Tower and They're like, man,
Speaker 11: it's smells like mildew. The carpet is worn out, like
Speaker 11: this places a piece of shit. They had to rebuild
Speaker 11: it as like a TV set for a show about
Speaker 11: a successful businessman, and that's like the basis of his
Speaker 11: entire persona now.
Speaker 3: Rather than like the office of like a tow truck yard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the fuck is that dude?
Speaker 1: I got some old nachos in here.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, it's like your grandma, but I'm trashy. Oh,
Speaker 4: don't go into that room. It's just double quarter pounder wrappers.
Speaker 1: And also just the tostata. Just the bowl part. I
Speaker 1: like to take part and throw the corn bowl out.
Speaker 1: You can re use the bowl, the corn bowl, Bring
Speaker 1: me another corn ball? Lisa?
Speaker 11: Did you finish your corn bowl?
Speaker 6: Can I have it?
Speaker 11: I can't do the accent as well as accent accent.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh have you seen that dude who's recently killing it
Speaker 3: with the elon?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that dude's amazing.
Speaker 1: Who is that guy?
Speaker 14: Bro?
Speaker 1: I don't ship. I was like, you have fucking I
Speaker 1: have not seen it? Oh here, I'll play it.
Speaker 4: I'll play Have you not seen that?
Speaker 1: Get it?
Speaker 11: You guys have the way your arm there, Steve. I
Speaker 11: was trying to make sure you knew that I just
Speaker 11: doing the pun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is this guy Alex Byron.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's not really about that. People expect everything
Speaker 4: to be easy.
Speaker 3: Now on Mars, it's gonna be really hard, you know,
Speaker 3: so people are gonna wish theirs. It's so really good point.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, every it's the funny. I think every
Speaker 3: Trump administration brings up like the rise of the people
Speaker 3: who are just killing the fucking accents. It was a
Speaker 3: Tammanik last time. Yeah, and now it's this guy. Anyway, Uh,
Speaker 3: let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back to talk about oh.
Speaker 15: Yeah, fucking right wing ship all right, right after this,
Speaker 15: and we're back.
Speaker 3: We're back, and so Garrison, yeah, Garrison, what is all that?
Speaker 1: Guys? What are the points you made that? It is
Speaker 1: sort of how I experienced the whole doge thing. Is
Speaker 1: that doge as a concept started out as everybody being
Speaker 1: somewhat dismissive and being like, well, they can't do anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the fucking stupid meme concept like.
Speaker 3: Come on right, yeah exactly. Everybody was just like this
Speaker 3: is dumb. They're is going to be a government agency.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not even a real agency. It's it's an
Speaker 2: advisory commission.
Speaker 3: They can't do anything.
Speaker 1: It's just a dumb meme thing. They literally named it doge,
Speaker 1: like it's so ridiculous. And weeks later we're all like.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, they can't do stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess somehow, Well what happened? Hey, hey, what happened?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of forgot that, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't need to follow the rules, like it doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: like they can they can. They can just do stuff,
Speaker 2: I guess. Certainly, like droping in DOGE with the United
Speaker 2: States Digital Service, it was like, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: their way like around around this. But even still like
Speaker 2: they are not even playing in the in like the
Speaker 2: court where you need to like use Congress to create agencies,
Speaker 2: because they're shutting down agencies without Congress. It's like they
Speaker 2: just like don't care and they're waiting to see if
Speaker 2: anyone's going to stop them, namely the courts, and if
Speaker 2: the courts do stop them, who's going to enforce the
Speaker 2: will of the court. And they're they're just like fine
Speaker 2: doing that because there's no consequence if they play in
Speaker 2: that game. Anymore they have immunity and pardon power, so
Speaker 2: like they're giving it the shot because they don't believe
Speaker 2: in the same like rules of decorum that like the
Speaker 2: Democrats TM typically. Do you know when when Biden had
Speaker 2: that whole press conference after the Supreme Court made the
Speaker 2: president again, He's like, this is this is a dark
Speaker 2: day for democracy. I I hope that myself and and
Speaker 2: any future president never never uses this power. And You're like, Okay, buddy,
Speaker 2: well I guess I guess what the next one's gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you want to use the power to solve that
Speaker 2: problem right now? You could?
Speaker 3: You might as well try it out.
Speaker 4: See how it's.
Speaker 2: And now we're here, so I don't know, like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's certainly like both myself and and others underestimated,
Speaker 2: like like specifically like Musk and like Dog's ability to
Speaker 2: actually enforce their recommendations. And and I think Trump has
Speaker 2: been more of like a like an absent executive figure
Speaker 2: than than what you know, I would have previously like
Speaker 2: suspected he's kind of just letting Musk do whatever he wants, right.
Speaker 3: I'm curious, Like I'm just trying to think of how
Speaker 3: the influences working in the White House, because clearly Musk
Speaker 3: is in proximity to Trump enough that he's everywhere and
Speaker 3: he's doing He's the one like, hey, let me talk
Speaker 3: over you in the oval, let me talk over you
Speaker 3: during this like interview.
Speaker 2: He's like he has he has he has a gets
Speaker 2: his headquarters set up in a specific wing. I can
Speaker 2: try to pull it up, but no, like he's he
Speaker 2: like has a headquarters there.
Speaker 1: He's literally his own diet coke button but for ketamine.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knew that we could make ket of mean
Speaker 2: not cool, I.
Speaker 3: Know, but I'm just like just like thinking of like
Speaker 3: the latest sort of spat that's happening in Doge White
Speaker 3: House world, which is his like letter to be like
Speaker 3: write down your five greatest hits or fucking leave email
Speaker 3: that he sent to all these federal workers and then
Speaker 3: having many many appointees, like Trump appointees tell their sort
Speaker 3: of subordinates. Just please fucking ignore what you just saw,
Speaker 3: like we're talking about.
Speaker 2: D O d uh, Like you know, uh, I can
Speaker 2: share classified information about your email.
Speaker 3: Department of Energy, Health and Human Services DHS, Like they're
Speaker 3: all like, dude, please fucking ignore this is.
Speaker 2: In Twitter like you can't like this, the different rules apply.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm curious because clearly Musk thinks none of
Speaker 3: those rules apply. But then you have the people who
Speaker 3: are a little bit more sort of of the wonky
Speaker 3: machinery of DC, who are also trying to ascend a
Speaker 3: power via Project twenty twenty five or whatever. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: do you see like a certain wing having any more
Speaker 3: influence because I feel like, clearly Musk help Trump. Trump
Speaker 3: feels indebted to Musk, therefore you like let it cook.
Speaker 3: But then Project twenty twenty five is like the way
Speaker 3: that he's like, we're going to get a bunch of
Speaker 3: conservatives on board if you promise to do X, Y
Speaker 3: and z. But at times it seems like there they
Speaker 3: can slightly be at odds at times with in terms
Speaker 3: of how they want to move forward with that. Do
Speaker 3: you see one having more of an advantage over the
Speaker 3: other right now in terms of how you're seeing things
Speaker 3: sort of unfold?
Speaker 2: I mean I would say Musk kind of right now
Speaker 2: has more sway just through the sheer individual power. Musk
Speaker 2: has types of connections he has to the tech world, uh,
Speaker 2: the actual like money and capitally has the influence. And
Speaker 2: then yeah, like all of Musk's work to help get
Speaker 2: Trump elected.
Speaker 1: And this end is I think Trump has an internal
Speaker 1: barometer of who to respect, and it's only like based
Speaker 1: on money and so he has.
Speaker 2: And how much you have succeeded and fucking other people,
Speaker 2: over which Musk is good at. Like he's not a
Speaker 2: good inventor, he's not a good engineer, he's good at
Speaker 2: fucking people. Yeah, and Trump like kind of respects that.
Speaker 2: And and and also like Trump knows that Musk can
Speaker 2: never like usurp him as president technically because he can't
Speaker 2: he can't run legally, so inside he just has this
Speaker 2: shadow president aspect going on. But no, like I'm there
Speaker 2: is you know, parts of like the Heritage people might
Speaker 2: be a little bit annoyed at at like Musks, like
Speaker 2: like very oversized influence that there's been people like in
Speaker 2: the Trump admin or like the Trump orbit who have
Speaker 2: who have like complained about Musk to press before. But
Speaker 2: I think in order to make any of the Project
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five stuff work, you first need Musk to
Speaker 2: purge the government. So they're letting him do it because
Speaker 2: also it's as soon as they step too far Musk
Speaker 2: is the easiest guy to cut out to be like,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, this this thing was bad. If
Speaker 2: you need someone to blame, we'll blame this rich weirdo
Speaker 2: from South Africa. It's very handy to keep him around,
Speaker 2: and they need him to like do the dirty chopping work,
Speaker 2: and he's he's willing to do it. And he's demonstrated
Speaker 2: an ability to dismantle and detonate like large, large, large
Speaker 2: bureaucratic machines, whether that's yeah, SpaceX, Tesla, Twitter, and now
Speaker 2: the United States government.
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm like, I guess to that end, right,
Speaker 3: because I know I get that usual Trump shit will
Speaker 3: be like I will let this person cook until it's
Speaker 3: really untenable for me, and then I'll blame them and
Speaker 3: act like I don't know, we got him out. I'm
Speaker 3: okay though, But then I'm curious if Musk is wielding
Speaker 3: any more influence over Trump. That's gonna make that difficult. Like,
Speaker 3: then what happens when like that schism happens, If it happens, if.
Speaker 2: It happens right like I thought I thought it would
Speaker 2: for a while. I just thought, like Trump's not gonna
Speaker 2: want to be around, like like Elon Musk's like like
Speaker 2: autism frankly, because like, you know, Trump's Trump's has a
Speaker 2: has a past of making fun of people and being
Speaker 2: very ablest, and like I I simply didn't think that
Speaker 2: he would be able to be in this same room
Speaker 2: as Musk for very long, but they have so clearly
Speaker 2: and openly closed ranks the past few weeks, like like
Speaker 2: like in doing media appearances together, being like like we
Speaker 2: know people are like wanting us to turn on each other,
Speaker 2: and like we're not going to do that. So like
Speaker 2: there is some awareness at least from like Musk and
Speaker 2: Trump that like people are like rooting for them to
Speaker 2: like get into a fight, and they've they're intentionally like
Speaker 2: having that not happen, right yeah, because right now it's
Speaker 2: benefiting both of them massively. Like it's what Elon's doing
Speaker 2: is allowing Trump to enact so many more things that
Speaker 2: otherwise he wouldn't be like, you know, legally allowed to
Speaker 2: do because the bureaucratic mechanisms of government are there as safeguards,
Speaker 2: not just you know, Congress and not just the courts.
Speaker 2: Like bureaucracy helped inhibit Trump from enacting a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of the more extreme aspects of his agenda in his
Speaker 2: first term. And now that there's this like shared recognition
Speaker 2: of that, Trump's all like Trump is more than happy
Speaker 2: to let Elon Musk like do the work to dismantle
Speaker 2: those roadblocks to then have Trump embrace like total executive power.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the idea of you know, we're all waiting
Speaker 1: to see if the courts hold right, and I'm just
Speaker 1: the for that to happen. Like obviously we need judges
Speaker 1: to you know, strike things down or say hey, that's
Speaker 1: not legal's restraining order? Ye, right, and then we need
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and Elon Musk and everybody to actually
Speaker 1: respect that. I guess I'm wondering, like what you mentioned,
Speaker 1: like how the will of the courts will be enforced?
Speaker 1: Like what what would that look like? Like a conflict
Speaker 1: between you know, a conflict of like what them choosing
Speaker 1: not to respect the will of the courts and the
Speaker 1: courts having to try to enforce their will? Like what
Speaker 1: what what would that look like in the modern world?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the big question right now,
Speaker 2: Like I am not a constitutional law professor. I only
Speaker 2: talk to them to get their thoughts, and this is
Speaker 2: this is the big thing, right, what if what if
Speaker 2: the court issues are ruling and Trump just says l
Speaker 2: L no, thank you, and they keep on doing what
Speaker 2: they are doing, which like that has happened. That has
Speaker 2: been happening. There is still grants and funding that has
Speaker 2: not resumed. They have continued to reiterate that they have
Speaker 2: the power to limit USAID funding even though they've been
Speaker 2: ordered by the court to to restore it. It's like
Speaker 2: they are actively defying the Court's orders increasingly so and
Speaker 2: becoming more brazen about, you know, using rhetoric regarding like
Speaker 2: if a judge is ordering something illegal, you just don't
Speaker 2: need to follow the judge, which is like you know,
Speaker 2: massive constitutional red flag and what will it take? Right,
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna appeal these orders all the way up
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, probably as far as they can.
Speaker 2: The fact that they're define the orders during this process
Speaker 2: is itself like new and bad, like like you're not
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do that either, but like no
Speaker 2: one is going to physically stop them, Like who is
Speaker 2: going to actually stop them from doing that? And at
Speaker 2: a certain point, if the Supreme Court rules that Trump
Speaker 2: is in contempt and you know, like who will stop that, Like,
Speaker 2: are they gonna, like do you think the US marshals
Speaker 2: are going to arrest the president? The president that has
Speaker 2: Supreme Court approved immunity for official actions, Like who will
Speaker 2: actually carry out like any any order to that that
Speaker 2: is revolving around like Trump being in contempt of court
Speaker 2: for just actively like defining the the the authority of
Speaker 2: the judicial branch. Will will Secret Service let that happen?
Speaker 2: Will the like the private military contractors that Trump has
Speaker 2: surrounded himself with thanks to Elon Musk, Will they let
Speaker 2: marshals even like carry out that order? Will Will the
Speaker 2: marshals want to want to do that themselves? Will More
Speaker 2: and more agencies in like local law enforcement and federal
Speaker 2: be broked under the the FPS, the Federal Protective Service,
Speaker 2: More of these are could get put under the control
Speaker 2: of pig Seth like like directly. And at this point
Speaker 2: it's it's like it's like a military that would be
Speaker 2: like a that would be like a military assistant coup
Speaker 2: where they're like cooing the judiciary as they've kind of
Speaker 2: already coughed Congress. So like this is this is a
Speaker 2: big thing that like we are waiting to see what
Speaker 2: will happen and like I I can't say for sure
Speaker 2: because I'm not familiar in any situation quite like this
Speaker 2: in American history. Like it's it's very weird and frightening,
Speaker 2: and like it for me, it's weird to be like
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about like every day, like we are like
Speaker 2: in the middle of like an actual coup of the
Speaker 2: United States, Like people are doing these steps and who's
Speaker 2: can happen internally like that this is, this is a
Speaker 2: real thing that is happening, and most people at least
Speaker 2: I like, interact with outside and just like don't realize this.
Speaker 2: They just like don't know the severity of like what
Speaker 2: has happened. And this isn't like being like hyperbolic or anything.
Speaker 2: It's like this is like literally what is what is
Speaker 2: going on right now? Like if if if you have
Speaker 2: the executive branch bypass and deny both the legislative and
Speaker 2: the judicial branches, like that is like actual Like people
Speaker 2: throw around the word fascist way too much and they
Speaker 2: have for the past like eight years, and like this
Speaker 2: this you don't you don't even need to use that word.
Speaker 2: Like they're trying to basically install like a monarchy and
Speaker 2: like that that is that is the language that Trump
Speaker 2: is using. He is he has referred to himself as
Speaker 2: a king in like the past week.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, what do you think the chances are
Speaker 1: we have another presidential election like in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2: I part I personally and like I have like friends
Speaker 2: and like analysts who are like I respect, who might
Speaker 2: even disagree with me on this. We might have a
Speaker 2: different opinion. I think there probably will be a presidential election.
Speaker 2: It may look different and may operate different. Like the
Speaker 2: mechanisms of like securing like votes and people's access to
Speaker 2: voting may be very different. Right, if you need to
Speaker 2: provide like PROOFUS citizenship at every polling station, and they
Speaker 2: deny people's proof of citizenship because you're a transperson with
Speaker 2: an old passport that has a different gender marker, So
Speaker 2: now that you're now, they're not gonna be now they're
Speaker 2: not going to accept your vote. Right, There's there's a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of things that could alter the way an
Speaker 2: election takes place. I think that there probably will be
Speaker 2: a presidential election, But I don't know, Man, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to survive day by day. Like it's yeah, this is
Speaker 2: such a new situation, and it's very freaky.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the last time I get like the
Speaker 3: more famous example that people point to is Andrew Jackson
Speaker 3: being like, yeah, the Supreme Court says, I can't justly
Speaker 3: move like native American, like I'll do whatever I want. Now,
Speaker 3: let me see them trying to force this shit, and
Speaker 3: that was all bad. Yeah, it gave us that the exact.
Speaker 2: Years that is the closest like me we have and
Speaker 2: like you have someone like Advance who is openly using
Speaker 2: that rhetoric, Yeah, exactly, like openly saying like if the courts,
Speaker 2: if the courts do that, like have the President go
Speaker 2: out and say all right, now force it, let them
Speaker 2: enforce it, try try me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. It's all like yeah, it's
Speaker 3: very very disorienting. And I think that's like the one
Speaker 3: thing that I see a clip that came up recently
Speaker 3: is one of like Russell Vatt, who's you know, one
Speaker 3: of the architects of Project twenty twenty five, who's now
Speaker 3: the head of Office of Management and Budget OMB saying
Speaker 3: like prior to the election that the whole goal with
Speaker 3: all of these cuts that they're making and is basically
Speaker 3: a terror campaign against the administrative state. And I want
Speaker 3: to play his words, because when you hear from them, like,
Speaker 3: it's clear that this is this is what they've talked
Speaker 3: about being phase one of how they are going to
Speaker 3: make this transition to full blown you know, autocracy or
Speaker 3: whatever new American monarchy with with King God Trump at
Speaker 3: the top. But this is Russell Vott again talking about
Speaker 3: this is what we need to do to get this
Speaker 3: stuff over the line.
Speaker 14: We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. We want
Speaker 14: when they woke up in the morning, we want them
Speaker 14: to not want to go to work because they are
Speaker 14: so they are increasingly viewed.
Speaker 1: As the villains.
Speaker 14: We want their funding to be shut down so that
Speaker 14: the e PA can't do all of the rules against
Speaker 14: our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do.
Speaker 14: So we want to put them in trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do all of the rules. They can't the energy.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like what's also infuriating is that this
Speaker 3: guy has the most coward energy ever as they talk
Speaker 3: about like his fantasy here, but now they are at
Speaker 3: the wheel here and yeah they're pretty much doing it,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, they're doing it.
Speaker 2: They frankly have done it. Like there's an executive order
Speaker 2: issued last week that Trump basically said that he has
Speaker 2: the authority to like rescind regulations that that that he
Speaker 2: deems are are like illegal, yeah, which means that you
Speaker 2: are giving Trump is saying that the executive branch has
Speaker 2: a power, has the power to interpret law, to to
Speaker 2: make riscin an interpret law, not just enacted, which is
Speaker 2: what constitutionally, like you're supposed to do. Is you're supposed
Speaker 2: to enact the law, right right, He's saying, like you
Speaker 2: can you can like actually like rescind these laws. Something
Speaker 2: that is you know, supposed to be what Congress does, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's it's season complete executive power like
Speaker 2: it's it is it is some form of like yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's like an oligarchic monarchy like combination, like it's
Speaker 2: it's very it's you know, it's similar to like you know, Hungary,
Speaker 2: similar to to how the Soviet block fell apart. You
Speaker 2: can you can like look at some like parallels, but
Speaker 2: this is also like I I don't want to overly
Speaker 2: rely on historical parallels because this is like yeah, also
Speaker 2: like deeply American, this is deeply twenty first century. It
Speaker 2: has to do with like the Internet, it has to
Speaker 2: do with like tech agents, like it has to do
Speaker 2: with like a big tech misinformation disinformation reality tunneling. Like
Speaker 2: it's it's so it's so modern and it's so American
Speaker 2: that I hesitate to like to like overly prescribe historical analog.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the most we can do is
Speaker 3: just to kind of look back and like it's kind
Speaker 3: of like this, but nothing really is a one to
Speaker 3: one thing. It's because there's no Twitter, there's no you know,
Speaker 3: all this misinformation that's around people, like and to your point,
Speaker 3: it's it's not it's we can't quite relate it like
Speaker 3: a one to one thing.
Speaker 2: It's so unique that I think in thirty years we
Speaker 2: will refer to what's happening right now is like that's
Speaker 2: what like America did in the twenty twenties. Like it's
Speaker 2: it's just so seismic that like, yeah, we already kind
Speaker 2: of relate like referg to, you know, like the Reagan
Speaker 2: deregulation like era of the eighties, right that that's kind
Speaker 2: of a thing that we like conceptualize as this is
Speaker 2: so much more than that, like already, and it's just starting.
Speaker 2: We're like what like a month in right, like right,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's like the fundamental fabric of our country
Speaker 2: has been severely altered. Like the country that you knew
Speaker 2: like two months ago is gone. Then the way that
Speaker 2: it operates, the types of checks and balances it has,
Speaker 2: the services it provides. That government no longer exists, like
Speaker 2: this is a different government now, and it feels weird
Speaker 2: to like think about that and then watch everyone just
Speaker 2: kind of carry on looking at the little black box
Speaker 2: in their hand.
Speaker 1: Uh are you surprised? I guess that, Like the New
Speaker 1: York Times, Watchington Posts, like these traditional mainstream media outlets
Speaker 1: are kind of taking it in stride, like they're not
Speaker 1: saying the thing that like this is coup of the
Speaker 1: US government, or at least they're not consistently saying that.
Speaker 1: It's just like kind of one thing at a time.
Speaker 2: Like they're dipping their toes into it. Sometimes it depends
Speaker 2: who the journalist is, depends who that the writer is,
Speaker 2: But no, like I think frankly, people are looking to survive,
Speaker 2: like like like worst case scenario, how can I get
Speaker 2: out of this?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: If this like fun, if this like continues to fundamentally
Speaker 2: be a different time, Like that's that's what That's why
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos rescinded the Kamala endorsement for the Washington Post.
Speaker 2: Like you are seeing like big tech, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: Tim Apple, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 2: the guy at Google who I forget his name, who
Speaker 2: like they have they have people who have historically provided
Speaker 2: a degree of resistance to some of the you know,
Speaker 2: the crazy Trump stuff. They are all closing ranks the
Speaker 2: like we we are one class now and as long
Speaker 2: we will look out for each other. Now will look
Speaker 2: out for you Trump if you look out for us,
Speaker 2: And like they're not playing the same game that people
Speaker 2: played in twenty seventeen. Like it's there is no hashtag
Speaker 2: resistance right now. There is like there is like survival
Speaker 2: and like that. I guess that's like the big thing
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing is people are trying to like survive
Speaker 2: in case things like go go like really really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for those billionaires, it's clear like rather than like
Speaker 3: bail water on the sinking ship, they're just being like
Speaker 3: where's my lifeboat? Because I'm not going to fucking help
Speaker 3: this thing. Like yeah, I'm getting the fuck.
Speaker 1: Out of this. Yeah, and let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: I'll come back and.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that's uplifting.
Speaker 1: There we go from here, We'll be right back.
Speaker 9: And we're back.
Speaker 1: And have you guys seen these Have you seen this?
Speaker 1: You heard about this?
Speaker 14: Uh?
Speaker 1: Have you seen these p o V you wake up
Speaker 1: in historical period videos? Mm hmm, they're going viral on TikTok.
Speaker 1: We've got the unders ai o V underscore lab. Yes,
Speaker 1: so they are AI generated. So first of all, I
Speaker 1: just want to I'm gonna have some complaints about these
Speaker 1: videos a little bit. I do want to say.
Speaker 5: I hope those complaints are somewhat humorous.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm with mord on this one.
Speaker 1: I do have a compliment that is in no way humorous.
Speaker 1: This is the first time I've seen p o V
Speaker 1: used correctly on TikTok. Ever, is it like these videos
Speaker 1: are from the point of view of some a character
Speaker 1: who is waking up like that he looks down and
Speaker 1: he sees his feet type thing like.
Speaker 5: AI is it's nerdy enough to get the to get
Speaker 5: the perspective correct, yes, as opposed to like POV you
Speaker 5: just saw like this happened and like that.
Speaker 1: That is a thing that is used all over TikTok,
Speaker 1: and they never know what POV means.
Speaker 6: Like you can see your own nose, right, you could
Speaker 6: just like just see yourself.
Speaker 1: It's just it means nothing. On the other hand, it's
Speaker 1: basically like a movie of the weak level commitment to
Speaker 1: historical accuracy. And this is not shocking because not only
Speaker 1: do they use AI to generate the vision like that
Speaker 1: makes That's what I assumed it meant when it was
Speaker 1: like AI videos. They're using AI and like blending together
Speaker 1: all this different source material to get these videos that
Speaker 1: ostensibly look like they take place in ancient Egypt or
Speaker 1: you know, during the Black Plague. But the person also
Speaker 1: uses AI to do all the research. He just asks
Speaker 1: chat gpt to research a time period and then ask
Speaker 1: for information about like what people would have looked like
Speaker 1: and done. And as we've seen, chat GPT and AI
Speaker 1: fucking sucks at answering questions like that. Google asked it
Speaker 1: for cheese facts for their super Bowl commercial and the
Speaker 1: chief factor came back with that they featured in their
Speaker 1: super Bowl commercial was a gouda is I think responsible
Speaker 1: for like sixty percent of cheese consumption in the world,
Speaker 1: like some some facts that is like so obviously false
Speaker 1: that liked.
Speaker 3: I could have show that, but not say this is
Speaker 3: a Nazi salute, right, What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: We're trying to destroy truth. So you have when you
Speaker 1: have a thing that is about facts and is saying
Speaker 1: things definitively, you want it to be not true so
Speaker 1: that when something definitively horrible happens that you can be like,
Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean, fucking Google says Guda is
Speaker 1: responsible for most cheese consumption. Obviously that's not true, But
Speaker 1: you know what is truth anymore? Thank you? I'll be
Speaker 1: right back.
Speaker 3: You're listening to iHeartRadio on ninety six point six The six.
Speaker 1: Six Wait, ninety six is called the six Yeah, what
Speaker 1: a weird choice by that. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: were doing over there. Yeah, but let's let's take quick
Speaker 1: looks at some of these to these videos, POV, you're
Speaker 1: a fam painter during the renaissance. Is that I don't
Speaker 1: want this one? So this one's during the Black Plague.
Speaker 1: A lot of horrible shit happening real quick. You see
Speaker 1: a rat that is also a cat walk by ah
Speaker 1: that's what that was. Yes, this person is you're buying
Speaker 1: bread off the filthiest person ever, giving the bread to
Speaker 1: another person, and your hands they the hands are always visible.
Speaker 1: That that must be like something that the AI dictates.
Speaker 1: Then you give the give the medicine to an old
Speaker 1: sick man, so there's a story. They're not just trying
Speaker 1: to tell you about history. They are storytellers. And then
Speaker 1: the person falls over dead. So it's like, your dumb ass,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have given that medicine to it.
Speaker 5: Can I just say that those like the Uncali the
Speaker 5: Uncanny Valley thing there is like perfectly executed because the
Speaker 5: eyes of the people suffering from the Black Plague are
Speaker 5: the most haunted eyes I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is horrifying, But they all like kind of
Speaker 1: have beautiful eyes. They are in the case as you're
Speaker 1: dying from playing, you would be everybody would be kind
Speaker 1: of hot and look like they're in like a perfume
Speaker 1: commercial about the Black Death.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like they all kind of look like Winona
Speaker 5: Ryder a little bit.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your skin is covered in dirt, but it's mixed
Speaker 3: because all they're doing is like mixing all the faces
Speaker 3: from media and so like.
Speaker 1: It's mostly actors presumably, and so hot people looking a
Speaker 1: little gaunt. All right, this one we're getting to see
Speaker 1: Pompeii on the day of the eruption. That that that
Speaker 1: part is weird. I think it's just a glitch of
Speaker 1: the AI.
Speaker 7: The guy's like holding his hand out and then opens
Speaker 7: his mouth but doesn't nothing is said.
Speaker 6: Well, you know how all the Renaissance painters were like, hey, uh,
Speaker 6: like and subscribe to my work before they drew it
Speaker 6: on a ceiling, right exactly?
Speaker 5: Will thoush that?
Speaker 3: I like?
Speaker 1: Right? So, but all this like feels like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: could be realistic ish? Uh, you know what's coming next?
Speaker 1: This mountain Mount Vesuvius, a piece of pottery just like
Speaker 1: flies up for no reason.
Speaker 3: Wait, where is hands? Where are the hands? How am
Speaker 3: I supposed understand what happening if there's no hands?
Speaker 1: Yeah, POV. This person is pretty chill for being in
Speaker 1: a POV. Look at that one.
Speaker 3: Do you guys see that towards it?
Speaker 1: They're running towards it just goes full rolling Emrick. It
Speaker 1: immediately becomes a river of fire and fire and then
Speaker 1: there's like a fire laser beam coming down the street,
Speaker 1: like it's the fucking the aliens from Independence Day are attack.
Speaker 5: Like AI red save the cat, you know, with the
Speaker 5: cat in the tree, but it doesn't understand like that.
Speaker 5: It can very easily go too far where it's no
Speaker 5: longer entertaining at all.
Speaker 1: It's just a nightmare. Right.
Speaker 3: This might be the strip talking, but this is the
Speaker 3: most relaxed I've been in weeks watching that video.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It really suited me watching.
Speaker 1: There is something soothing about it, I will say, Like
Speaker 1: there's just the rhythm of the videos. There's like a
Speaker 1: SlowMo you feel, you feel like you're in a dream
Speaker 1: like that has always been the coolest I think whoever
Speaker 1: ultimately harnesses what is good about AI will dig into
Speaker 1: the fact that they just feel like a fucking the
Speaker 1: wildest dream you've ever had, you know, Like they feel
Speaker 1: like an acid trip mixed with just a dream that
Speaker 1: you remember vividly?
Speaker 5: Is it because it's like it's so real, but it's
Speaker 5: detached from reality in the same way that dreams are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's no narrative logic to like the images.
Speaker 1: You have to like kind of harness it and like
Speaker 1: press as hard as you can on both sides, just
Speaker 1: like keep it on the rails a little bit. There
Speaker 1: are some great ones where they don't do that. And
Speaker 1: it's just like person in a laundromat turns into like
Speaker 1: a rocket that is flying through the air, turns into
Speaker 1: like an amazing tropical fish, turns into like all these
Speaker 1: like wild beautiful visuals.
Speaker 5: I wish they all did and like that. It is
Speaker 5: like POV you're like an eighties musician in a synth band,
Speaker 5: but it just ends with like a volcano and fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Producer Bay dropped the load of the chat that says
Speaker 3: waking Up in North Korea, and it's it's the dumbest
Speaker 3: video I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4: You have to watch it.
Speaker 6: They totally they totally mailed it in on this one.
Speaker 6: It's like also shorter, like there's so much they could
Speaker 6: have done with it.
Speaker 1: They always so I feel like they're just like they've
Speaker 1: skinned one video and then just replace details around.
Speaker 5: It seems to be the thing, right man. Even AI's
Speaker 5: cutting corners.
Speaker 1: That's even Ai. That is basically all AI does.
Speaker 5: Corners, all these participations, participation trophies we gave AI.
Speaker 1: So wake Up North Korea in twenty twenty five looks
Speaker 1: like this year an apartment yet an apartment in the
Speaker 1: Lower East Side. But okay, actually doesn't look bad. Wait,
Speaker 1: that's not where he was before. And that's the video.
Speaker 1: And now you've learned everything you need to know about AI,
Speaker 1: about North Korea.
Speaker 5: And AI learning about our leader.
Speaker 1: I like that the paper that they're writing on looks
Speaker 1: like somebody wiped their ass with it for some reason,
Speaker 1: like they can't take gotta you gotta reuse your toilet
Speaker 1: paper for writing down notes about dear leader. The details that. So,
Speaker 1: they the BBC, because they're good at content, had historians
Speaker 1: watch these videos because these videos are like blown up.
Speaker 1: They have like five million views, and the historians were
Speaker 1: pointing out like some of the stuff was a little pedantic,
Speaker 1: a little Neil de grass tyson ish, where it was
Speaker 1: like they're reading the glyphics from left to right and
Speaker 1: actually it should be right to left. But some of it,
Speaker 1: some of the things they point out is just like oh,
Speaker 1: that would have like made the video so much more interesting,
Speaker 1: Like they point out like they did chernobyl one and
Speaker 1: they were saying they like made the technology shittier than
Speaker 1: it actually was, and like the technology in Chernobyl and
Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union at that time was actually like
Speaker 1: pretty impressive in advanced, which is like not what you
Speaker 1: would expect. So and that's what is interesting about it,
Speaker 1: Like the they point out that, like the bread. You
Speaker 1: may have noticed that every story like focuses on a
Speaker 1: person holding a piece of bread in front of the
Speaker 1: camera for some reason. That's because I don't know that
Speaker 1: worked for them in one video, so they added it
Speaker 1: to all the rest of their videos. Just a person
Speaker 1: holding out bread as we do.
Speaker 5: I hope everyone like starts to turn into bread in
Speaker 5: the car, right, bread, a piece.
Speaker 1: Of bread, You're a bread man.
Speaker 6: Now they start hiring editors like because it's got because
Speaker 6: it's such a big business, and it's like, I'm where
Speaker 6: the fuck is the bread in this video?
Speaker 3: Where's the bread? In the JFK Assassin.
Speaker 16: Issuevo holds a piece of bread, shoots through a bread
Speaker 16: silencer like a bagguet silencer.
Speaker 5: Dude, a bunch of butter comes out of the back
Speaker 5: of his head.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's now we're thinking, like, but they were like,
Speaker 7: the bread didn't look like that, What did it look like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry it is. JFK is just a gingerbread man.
Speaker 1: She has her hair in a bun. Oh you didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a driving the limo.
Speaker 1: It just gets lazier. Anyways, this is I think if
Speaker 1: you actually used a human to do the research before
Speaker 1: making these videos, they could be cool, but they instead cooler. Instead,
Speaker 1: they have just farmed everything out to chat GPT, which
Speaker 1: are you guys encountering people in your lives being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I just like stuck this into chat GPT, like I
Speaker 1: used AI to fill out this thing for for us.
Speaker 1: Like that's so so there you go. It's like this
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. I'm so bad that.
Speaker 6: Every time it's I found it's either people who are
Speaker 6: being very lazy and I think that's the best version
Speaker 6: of it. Yeah, I don't feel like doing this. I'm
Speaker 6: going to do a chat GPT or they have no
Speaker 6: creative bone in their body whatsoever and they're dumb and
Speaker 6: I actually that sounded mean. I mean I meant any
Speaker 6: other way I think, But I think it's like for
Speaker 6: a lot of people, it's a it's like a thing
Speaker 6: to brag about. It's like remember when like people first
Speaker 6: had iPhones and they're like, look, this iPhone can like
Speaker 6: do a lightsaber.
Speaker 1: Yeah makes a fart noise, like yeah, yeah, Like it's
Speaker 1: just a thing to be like I have this thing
Speaker 1: and I do I know how to use it, even
Speaker 1: though the thing that it does is fucking stupid.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's a good point. I think that's a better
Speaker 6: point where it's almost like a shiny new toy basically
Speaker 6: like hey, look at this cool new toy that you
Speaker 6: don't know how to use or don't have or have
Speaker 6: chosen not to use, and I'm using it. But then
Speaker 6: it's like that's not a good toy. That toy sucks.
Speaker 6: But there's other toys.
Speaker 1: These people all think this will swear up and down
Speaker 1: this is the future and like everything is going to
Speaker 1: run by AI is.
Speaker 5: So which is I'm having this experience. I don't know why,
Speaker 5: but I was using it for it seemed like it
Speaker 5: was better like a year ago.
Speaker 8: I don't I'm not like you know whatever like in
Speaker 8: my day AI, but like I basically learned how to
Speaker 8: do this kind of podcast studio I have in my
Speaker 8: room almost exclusively from that because I'm not like very
Speaker 8: technologically gifted or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, But now it's like saying, yeah, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's gotten way worse.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think I think it has isn't
Speaker 5: there something about it? It's like now it's also drawing
Speaker 5: from AI, so it's like this sort of like like
Speaker 5: this rot misinformation loop that that's probably why that gooda
Speaker 5: thing happened, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right, Yeah, yeah, just inevitable, like devolving because it's
Speaker 1: pulling on itself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this isn't this isn't very this isn't like
Speaker 5: a funny take. But I really think my thing is
Speaker 5: like I don't actually think AI is the problem. I
Speaker 5: think capitalism is the problem. Like AI is just a tool,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like if it's a great tool,
Speaker 5: and ours will use an actor whoever will utilize it properly.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that we're all almost facing
Speaker 5: eviction all the time, so we can't afford to lose
Speaker 5: any fucking jobs. Whereas that that wasn't the problem. We
Speaker 5: could just use this ship to make things easier for us, you.
Speaker 1: Know, h No, not you not you. You can't use
Speaker 1: it for that. The companies can use it for that.
Speaker 5: Well that's you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: And the companies own their property, so they're not going
Speaker 6: to be they paid off their mortgages. But yeah, that's
Speaker 6: they can use it to this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, the most thoroughly pointless one they
Speaker 1: made a Titanic one like POV, you're a person on
Speaker 1: the Titanic, as if the movie that the movie Titanic
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But then I think they realized that they like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they realize it's pointless because halfway through that video,
Speaker 1: like as the hallways are like flooding with seawater, the
Speaker 1: camera like dips below the water and a shark is
Speaker 1: coming coming down the hallway. I think they were just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, the one way we could have made
Speaker 1: Titanic better is if there'd been fucking sharks on the boat.
Speaker 6: Pads a mother holding its child, but it's it's a
Speaker 6: bread it's a bread loaf.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think it's not Like I think AI
Speaker 5: has a fucking anxiety disorder. Like every it feels like
Speaker 5: it's having intrusive catastrophizing thoughts like no matter what it
Speaker 5: can only discuss like terrible catastrophes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it also, yeah, it just averages out
Speaker 1: things that have come before and then also does what
Speaker 1: you what it thinks you want it to do, and
Speaker 1: so it's just building into expectations. And that is, as
Speaker 1: I've always said, exactly how great artists created, average everything
Speaker 1: before it. Imitate that, but do it in a way
Speaker 1: that you think people want to see it and in
Speaker 1: no way upsets expectations. That's that you create great art.
Speaker 5: Do no curious exploration in any in any capacity, no push,
Speaker 5: no boundaries.
Speaker 1: That's right, push DNB pushing, no boundaries. All right, that's
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