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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles were

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third seats by one

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Speaker 1: of the driving forces behind Cool Zone Media. They're a

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Speaker 1: writer and host on It could Happen Here yet other

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Speaker 1: Cool Zone shows. They make everyone on this podcast feel

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Speaker 1: old as fuck. Please welcome the young, the talented Garrison, David,

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Speaker 1: Brilliant Carson.

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Speaker 2: I like that at Genie Alfredo, maybe like twice a year.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, there's a limit more than that.

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Speaker 2: It's a little much, but yeah, twice a year. I

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Speaker 2: sometimes will be like, you know what I want? I

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Speaker 2: want some Alfredo?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, give me that afraid. Oh, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm acting like I'm over the cream.

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Speaker 1: I still like eggnog.

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Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, Okay, yeah no, you cannot be talking as

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Speaker 2: you're chugging down the dog. But I am also an

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Speaker 2: eggnog defender. But but hey, now like you can't you

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Speaker 2: can't be trash and clam chowder and then like chugging eggnog.

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Speaker 2: Secretly you like you like turn around, you have a

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Speaker 2: hidden jug Come on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I like about eggnog is that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have any chunks of clam in it. Okay, one

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Speaker 1: of the top things personally, Jack and I gotta I

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Speaker 1: gotta show you the thing I make every Christmas clam

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Speaker 1: knock knock sounds gross. No, Garrison, it's been way too long,

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Speaker 1: very too long. How have you been.

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Speaker 2: I've been good. I moved to the East coast of

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Speaker 2: the United States of America. I have been unbelievably busy

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Speaker 2: and had my mind destroyed attending political conventions last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're at the r n C.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the d n C. And frankly, the d

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Speaker 2: n C actually was more like a like a drill

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Speaker 2: n C. I have like psychic defenses, right, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like good. The d n Z like messed me up.

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Speaker 1: Though we study these people. What is it about it?

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Speaker 1: Is it the dissonance of the d n C. What

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Speaker 1: what what about the d n C was so they

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Speaker 1: are Yeah, Well, we talked about like drilled to the head,

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Speaker 1: to the brain reference the end of Pie. We we

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Speaker 1: talked about taking a thera gun to the head, yeah,

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Speaker 1: being the thing.

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Speaker 4: That we all need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that Monday morning hard reset is what we

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Speaker 1: call it, you know, just a thera gun to the temple.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, what what about that? What was it about

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Speaker 1: the d n C.

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Speaker 2: The dissonance is like one aspect, it's also like it's

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Speaker 2: everyone's so convinced that like they're like the adults, like

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Speaker 2: this is this is the real adult convention. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're not doing that that crazy stuff like the other

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Speaker 2: table is doing. This is this is the adults table.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, as they completely like lose touch on like

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Speaker 2: the cultural moment and refuse to stand up for the

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Speaker 2: things that they, you know, you know, would nominally claim

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Speaker 2: to like care about, and just demonstrate complete spindlessness, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it was it was. It was very it

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Speaker 2: was very disheartening, more so than just the the kind

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Speaker 2: while like arguably slightly more evil, I'm like so prepared

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Speaker 2: for because like it's it's it's the obvious, like you know,

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Speaker 2: mass deportation convention. Is like, you know, the biggest, biggest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we uh uncovered this video on the aftermath that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess other people had known about about this,

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Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris activation at fashion Week? Is that where

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Speaker 1: it was Paris Fashion Week or New York Fashion Fashion? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was just had like a right Jenga tower and

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Speaker 1: I like grab them by the pussy grammar claw machine

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Speaker 1: and just all these like weird like things that you

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Speaker 1: would swear were ham fisted satire if they weren't there

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Speaker 1: at an event that was like Hot Girl Brat Summer

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Speaker 1: Wall where you can take a picture and prove that

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Speaker 1: you're the Brat of the Harris campaign. It was so wild,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, again make makes you feel like it just

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Speaker 1: I am spiking the worst fever in the history of

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Speaker 2: Last year was a really dark summer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you've mispronounced Brett Brat. I think

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a really Brett summer. That's right.

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Speaker 3: Just wear Brat green like Timothy Shallomey and then like

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Speaker 3: all your worries go away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Show what is something from your search

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Speaker 1: history that's revealing about.

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Speaker 5: Who you are, you know, as the skateboarding liaison to

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Speaker 5: this podcast. What I was looking at. I was just

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Speaker 5: in Arizona for the Slow Impact Gathering, which is this

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Speaker 3: But it is so sick.

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Speaker 5: It's put on with this dude, Ryan Leigh, who's profer

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Speaker 5: New Balance and sci fi fantasy and so many highlights.

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Speaker 5: I got to do stand up for like one hundred

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Speaker 5: skateboarders in Macywo Town skate shop out there, which is

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Speaker 5: a rad skate shop, met some pros, just sixteen year

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Speaker 1: It was that's pretty cool. Yeah, and you are skateboarding

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Speaker 1: as you're doing stand up and they're skateboarding along with you.

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Speaker 1: Is that Yeah? Yeah, I'm really long. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Oh I broke my wrist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice slow impact it's called slow Impact. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 5: It's like there's a there's a guy, the student in

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Speaker 5: Ted Schmid who's got a PhD in architecture, and he

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Speaker 5: ASU where he just talked about like this building was

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Speaker 5: built by Frank Lloyd Right's son, and this ledge is

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Speaker 5: one of the earliest flat top ledges in Arizona. Like

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Speaker 5: shit like that. It was like very niche and very reating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Frank Lloyd right son like a great

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Speaker 5: He was a not a skater, his son in law,

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Speaker 5: but very clearly was like Frank Lloyd Right but made

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Speaker 5: a building there and it's huge. And then Frank Loyd

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Speaker 5: Right's son in law has one that's like kind of

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Speaker 5: oedipal complex way that dead put it out. Yeah, it

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Speaker 5: was Wow, it never ends. That's Frank Lloyd Right. I'd

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Speaker 5: hate the bit Flank Lloyd Wrong.

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Speaker 6: I also I think this no bit I think my

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Speaker 6: wife read like a slightly erotic novel about Frank law Right,

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Speaker 6: and I think it was called Loving Frank.

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Speaker 3: If I'm off, hold on if I'm off, Loving Frank.

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Speaker 5: Book more like Frank Horny Right.

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Speaker 1: It is thank you, thank you also really good guys. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was about an adulterous affair that he had

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Speaker 3: if you want to get a horn woman.

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Speaker 1: And there's steamy descriptions like that in the book. So

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Speaker 1: here comes Frank Lloyd Right, and there's this woman and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get it on. I guess, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He took off whatever the hell it was she was wearing.

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Speaker 5: You described it as somewhat erotic, and then that's exactly

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Speaker 1: That is the genre. Actually, it's not erotic fiction. It's

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Speaker 1: somewhat erotic fiction. I tried and it was pretty okay.

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Speaker 1: They weren't sure if they were going to keep doing it,

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Speaker 1: but you know, he had Jack. No, got's so clinical.

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Speaker 1: There's some wild, wild stuff. I went and saw a

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Speaker 1: falling water. I think that's the big famous house outside

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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh that Frank Loyd Right made. And there's a

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Speaker 1: story from his past that I don't I don't have

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Speaker 1: in front of me, but it's basically like this horrible

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Speaker 1: horror movie style massacre that happened at his house to

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Speaker 1: is a little known story that I don't know. We're

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Speaker 1: worth looking up. It's a it's just a I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a little Wikipedia wreck if you if you want

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Speaker 1: to look up Frank Lloyd Wright's family. Yeah fucking wild. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like at like this beautiful house that he had built

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Speaker 1: the whole family. Crazy story. Holy moly, I bet that's

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Speaker 1: not in your little uh kind of sort of erotic

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Speaker 1: fiction book, Blake. Uh. Like, I'm sorry, I said, Frank horny, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jesus guy was horny, though I think he was out

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Speaker 5: So, you know, I have one more story that I

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Speaker 5: think is interesting from the Skate Weekend, which is that, Okay,

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Speaker 5: there's this pro named Tom Caranngelo.

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Speaker 4: He was sick.

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Speaker 5: He's pro for New Balance, and he's he's like an

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Speaker 5: interesting artful dude, which skateboarding is an art form, whether

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Speaker 4: So he did.

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Speaker 5: He had an interview where he was talking about he goes.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, not on this podcast, but.

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Speaker 5: You guys are pro cop I know that you guys.

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Speaker 1: Don't you hate the beautiful? Why can't you listen to

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So this dude does this, did this thing where

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Speaker 5: he's a cinephile. So he goes to all these different

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Speaker 5: John Carpenter. So there's just there's this whole thing where

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Speaker 5: she's like the head of a you know, franchise, she

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Speaker 5: does video game voices. Wow, And I sent I had

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Speaker 5: her send John Carpenter this interview with this skateboarder, and

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Speaker 5: Tom Carangelo of like, hey, John Carpenter saw that video.

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Speaker 5: I know that for sure, and he was like, dude,

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Speaker 5: that made my life, thank you so much, like he

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Speaker 5: was so hyped to hear this. It was just a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a fun sort of epilogue to a

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Speaker 1: career like on Carpenter great one of the great filmmakers,

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Speaker 1: maybe the greatest of like the eighties, and people are like,

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Speaker 1: why doesn't he make movies anymore? Did he pass away

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Speaker 7: Like no, he just like discovered video games and he

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Speaker 7: was like, holy shit, these are so fucking fun.

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Speaker 1: This is sick. Just doesn't make movies anymore. People are like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you make movies? Like video games are really fun?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, he's just like to get high and watch

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Speaker 5: It's like an angsty teen in his basement.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I don't want to work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, basically and anyplace he We went and saw him

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Speaker 5: at the Palladium and it's pretty sick. He has a

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Speaker 5: band that just plays John Carpenter's style music and there's

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Speaker 5: like smoke effects and it's like pretty dark.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he made Oh he made a lot of

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Speaker 1: music for his movies. Yeah. What is something that you

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Speaker 1: think Alex is underrated?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, fucking right wing ship all right, right after this,

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Speaker 2: anyone's going to stop them, namely the courts, and if

439
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Speaker 2: the courts do stop them, who's going to enforce the

440
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: will of the court. And they're they're just like fine

441
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: doing that because there's no consequence if they play in

442
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: that game. Anymore they have immunity and pardon power, so

443
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: like they're giving it the shot because they don't believe

444
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: in the same like rules of decorum that like the

445
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,959
Speaker 2: Democrats TM typically. Do you know when when Biden had

446
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: that whole press conference after the Supreme Court made the

447
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: president again, He's like, this is this is a dark

448
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: day for democracy. I I hope that myself and and

449
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: any future president never never uses this power. And You're like, Okay, buddy,

450
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: well I guess I guess what the next one's gonna do. Yeah,

451
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: do you want to use the power to solve that

452
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: problem right now? You could?

453
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: You might as well try it out.

454
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: See how it's.

455
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: And now we're here, so I don't know, like it's

456
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: it's it's certainly like both myself and and others underestimated,

457
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: like like specifically like Musk and like Dog's ability to

458
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: actually enforce their recommendations. And and I think Trump has

459
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: been more of like a like an absent executive figure

460
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: than than what you know, I would have previously like

461
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: suspected he's kind of just letting Musk do whatever he wants, right.

462
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm curious, Like I'm just trying to think of how

463
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: the influences working in the White House, because clearly Musk

464
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: is in proximity to Trump enough that he's everywhere and

465
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: he's doing He's the one like, hey, let me talk

466
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: over you in the oval, let me talk over you

467
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 3: during this like interview.

468
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: He's like he has he has he has a gets

469
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: his headquarters set up in a specific wing. I can

470
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: try to pull it up, but no, like he's he

471
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: like has a headquarters there.

472
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: He's literally his own diet coke button but for ketamine.

473
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

474
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knew that we could make ket of mean

475
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: not cool, I.

476
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: Know, but I'm just like just like thinking of like

477
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: the latest sort of spat that's happening in Doge White

478
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: House world, which is his like letter to be like

479
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: write down your five greatest hits or fucking leave email

480
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 3: that he sent to all these federal workers and then

481
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: having many many appointees, like Trump appointees tell their sort

482
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: of subordinates. Just please fucking ignore what you just saw,

483
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: like we're talking about.

484
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: D O d uh, Like you know, uh, I can

485
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: share classified information about your email.

486
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: Department of Energy, Health and Human Services DHS, Like they're

487
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: all like, dude, please fucking ignore this is.

488
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: In Twitter like you can't like this, the different rules apply.

489
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm curious because clearly Musk thinks none of

490
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: those rules apply. But then you have the people who

491
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: are a little bit more sort of of the wonky

492
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: machinery of DC, who are also trying to ascend a

493
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: power via Project twenty twenty five or whatever. Yeah, that

494
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Speaker 3: do you see like a certain wing having any more

495
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: influence because I feel like, clearly Musk help Trump. Trump

496
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: feels indebted to Musk, therefore you like let it cook.

497
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: But then Project twenty twenty five is like the way

498
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: that he's like, we're going to get a bunch of

499
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: conservatives on board if you promise to do X, Y

500
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: and z. But at times it seems like there they

501
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: can slightly be at odds at times with in terms

502
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: of how they want to move forward with that. Do

503
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: you see one having more of an advantage over the

504
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: other right now in terms of how you're seeing things

505
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: sort of unfold?

506
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Speaker 2: I mean I would say Musk kind of right now

507
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: has more sway just through the sheer individual power. Musk

508
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: has types of connections he has to the tech world, uh,

509
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: the actual like money and capitally has the influence. And

510
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: then yeah, like all of Musk's work to help get

511
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: Trump elected.

512
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: And this end is I think Trump has an internal

513
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: barometer of who to respect, and it's only like based

514
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: on money and so he has.

515
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: And how much you have succeeded and fucking other people,

516
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: over which Musk is good at. Like he's not a

517
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: good inventor, he's not a good engineer, he's good at

518
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: fucking people. Yeah, and Trump like kind of respects that.

519
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: And and and also like Trump knows that Musk can

520
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: never like usurp him as president technically because he can't

521
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: he can't run legally, so inside he just has this

522
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: shadow president aspect going on. But no, like I'm there

523
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: is you know, parts of like the Heritage people might

524
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: be a little bit annoyed at at like Musks, like

525
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: like very oversized influence that there's been people like in

526
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: the Trump admin or like the Trump orbit who have

527
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: who have like complained about Musk to press before. But

528
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: I think in order to make any of the Project

529
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five stuff work, you first need Musk to

530
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: purge the government. So they're letting him do it because

531
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: also it's as soon as they step too far Musk

532
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: is the easiest guy to cut out to be like,

533
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: all right, all right, this this thing was bad. If

534
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: you need someone to blame, we'll blame this rich weirdo

535
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: from South Africa. It's very handy to keep him around,

536
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: and they need him to like do the dirty chopping work,

537
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: and he's he's willing to do it. And he's demonstrated

538
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: an ability to dismantle and detonate like large, large, large

539
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: bureaucratic machines, whether that's yeah, SpaceX, Tesla, Twitter, and now

540
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: the United States government.

541
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Speaker 3: Right, And I'm like, I guess to that end, right,

542
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: because I know I get that usual Trump shit will

543
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: be like I will let this person cook until it's

544
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: really untenable for me, and then I'll blame them and

545
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: act like I don't know, we got him out. I'm

546
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: okay though, But then I'm curious if Musk is wielding

547
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: any more influence over Trump. That's gonna make that difficult. Like,

548
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: then what happens when like that schism happens, If it happens, if.

549
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: It happens right like I thought I thought it would

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: for a while. I just thought, like Trump's not gonna

551
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: want to be around, like like Elon Musk's like like

552
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: autism frankly, because like, you know, Trump's Trump's has a

553
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: has a past of making fun of people and being

554
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: very ablest, and like I I simply didn't think that

555
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: he would be able to be in this same room

556
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: as Musk for very long, but they have so clearly

557
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: and openly closed ranks the past few weeks, like like

558
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: like in doing media appearances together, being like like we

559
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: know people are like wanting us to turn on each other,

560
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: and like we're not going to do that. So like

561
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: there is some awareness at least from like Musk and

562
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: Trump that like people are like rooting for them to

563
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: like get into a fight, and they've they're intentionally like

564
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: having that not happen, right yeah, because right now it's

565
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: benefiting both of them massively. Like it's what Elon's doing

566
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: is allowing Trump to enact so many more things that

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: otherwise he wouldn't be like, you know, legally allowed to

568
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: do because the bureaucratic mechanisms of government are there as safeguards,

569
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: not just you know, Congress and not just the courts.

570
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Like bureaucracy helped inhibit Trump from enacting a whole bunch

571
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: of the more extreme aspects of his agenda in his

572
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: first term. And now that there's this like shared recognition

573
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: of that, Trump's all like Trump is more than happy

574
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: to let Elon Musk like do the work to dismantle

575
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: those roadblocks to then have Trump embrace like total executive power.

576
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the idea of you know, we're all waiting

577
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: to see if the courts hold right, and I'm just

578
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: the for that to happen. Like obviously we need judges

579
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: to you know, strike things down or say hey, that's

580
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: not legal's restraining order? Ye, right, and then we need

581
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and Elon Musk and everybody to actually

582
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: respect that. I guess I'm wondering, like what you mentioned,

583
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: like how the will of the courts will be enforced?

584
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: Like what what would that look like? Like a conflict

585
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: between you know, a conflict of like what them choosing

586
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: not to respect the will of the courts and the

587
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: courts having to try to enforce their will? Like what

588
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: what what would that look like in the modern world?

589
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the big question right now,

590
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: Like I am not a constitutional law professor. I only

591
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: talk to them to get their thoughts, and this is

592
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: this is the big thing, right, what if what if

593
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: the court issues are ruling and Trump just says l

594
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: L no, thank you, and they keep on doing what

595
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: they are doing, which like that has happened. That has

596
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: been happening. There is still grants and funding that has

597
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: not resumed. They have continued to reiterate that they have

598
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 2: the power to limit USAID funding even though they've been

599
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: ordered by the court to to restore it. It's like

600
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: they are actively defying the Court's orders increasingly so and

601
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: becoming more brazen about, you know, using rhetoric regarding like

602
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: if a judge is ordering something illegal, you just don't

603
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: need to follow the judge, which is like you know,

604
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: massive constitutional red flag and what will it take? Right,

605
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna appeal these orders all the way up

606
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, probably as far as they can.

607
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: The fact that they're define the orders during this process

608
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: is itself like new and bad, like like you're not

609
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do that either, but like no

610
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: one is going to physically stop them, Like who is

611
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: going to actually stop them from doing that? And at

612
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: a certain point, if the Supreme Court rules that Trump

613
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: is in contempt and you know, like who will stop that, Like,

614
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: are they gonna, like do you think the US marshals

615
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: are going to arrest the president? The president that has

616
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Supreme Court approved immunity for official actions, Like who will

617
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: actually carry out like any any order to that that

618
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: is revolving around like Trump being in contempt of court

619
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: for just actively like defining the the the authority of

620
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: the judicial branch. Will will Secret Service let that happen?

621
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Will the like the private military contractors that Trump has

622
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: surrounded himself with thanks to Elon Musk, Will they let

623
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: marshals even like carry out that order? Will Will the

624
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: marshals want to want to do that themselves? Will More

625
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: and more agencies in like local law enforcement and federal

626
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: be broked under the the FPS, the Federal Protective Service,

627
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: More of these are could get put under the control

628
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: of pig Seth like like directly. And at this point

629
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: it's it's like it's like a military that would be

630
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: like a that would be like a military assistant coup

631
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: where they're like cooing the judiciary as they've kind of

632
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: already coughed Congress. So like this is this is a

633
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: big thing that like we are waiting to see what

634
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: will happen and like I I can't say for sure

635
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: because I'm not familiar in any situation quite like this

636
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: in American history. Like it's it's very weird and frightening,

637
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: and like it for me, it's weird to be like

638
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about like every day, like we are like

639
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: in the middle of like an actual coup of the

640
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: United States, Like people are doing these steps and who's

641
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: can happen internally like that this is, this is a

642
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: real thing that is happening, and most people at least

643
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: I like, interact with outside and just like don't realize this.

644
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: They just like don't know the severity of like what

645
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: has happened. And this isn't like being like hyperbolic or anything.

646
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: It's like this is like literally what is what is

647
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: going on right now? Like if if if you have

648
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: the executive branch bypass and deny both the legislative and

649
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: the judicial branches, like that is like actual Like people

650
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: throw around the word fascist way too much and they

651
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: have for the past like eight years, and like this

652
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: this you don't you don't even need to use that word.

653
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: Like they're trying to basically install like a monarchy and

654
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: like that that is that is the language that Trump

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Speaker 2: is using. He is he has referred to himself as

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Speaker 2: a king in like the past week.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, what do you think the chances are

658
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Speaker 1: we have another presidential election like in twenty twenty eight?

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Speaker 2: I part I personally and like I have like friends

660
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Speaker 2: and like analysts who are like I respect, who might

661
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Speaker 2: even disagree with me on this. We might have a

662
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Speaker 2: different opinion. I think there probably will be a presidential election.

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Speaker 2: It may look different and may operate different. Like the

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Speaker 2: mechanisms of like securing like votes and people's access to

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Speaker 2: voting may be very different. Right, if you need to

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Speaker 2: provide like PROOFUS citizenship at every polling station, and they

667
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Speaker 2: deny people's proof of citizenship because you're a transperson with

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Speaker 2: an old passport that has a different gender marker, So

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Speaker 2: now that you're now, they're not gonna be now they're

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Speaker 2: not going to accept your vote. Right, There's there's a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of things that could alter the way an

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Speaker 2: election takes place. I think that there probably will be

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Speaker 2: a presidential election, But I don't know, Man, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to survive day by day. Like it's yeah, this is

675
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Speaker 2: such a new situation, and it's very freaky.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like the last time I get like the

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Speaker 3: more famous example that people point to is Andrew Jackson

678
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Speaker 3: being like, yeah, the Supreme Court says, I can't justly

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Speaker 3: move like native American, like I'll do whatever I want. Now,

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Speaker 3: let me see them trying to force this shit, and

681
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Speaker 3: that was all bad. Yeah, it gave us that the exact.

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Speaker 2: Years that is the closest like me we have and

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Speaker 2: like you have someone like Advance who is openly using

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Speaker 2: that rhetoric, Yeah, exactly, like openly saying like if the courts,

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Speaker 2: if the courts do that, like have the President go

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Speaker 2: out and say all right, now force it, let them

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Speaker 2: enforce it, try try me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's it. It's all like yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: very very disorienting. And I think that's like the one

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Speaker 3: thing that I see a clip that came up recently

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Speaker 3: is one of like Russell Vatt, who's you know, one

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Speaker 3: of the architects of Project twenty twenty five, who's now

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Speaker 3: the head of Office of Management and Budget OMB saying

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Speaker 3: like prior to the election that the whole goal with

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Speaker 3: all of these cuts that they're making and is basically

696
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Speaker 3: a terror campaign against the administrative state. And I want

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Speaker 3: to play his words, because when you hear from them, like,

698
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Speaker 3: it's clear that this is this is what they've talked

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Speaker 3: about being phase one of how they are going to

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Speaker 3: make this transition to full blown you know, autocracy or

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Speaker 3: whatever new American monarchy with with King God Trump at

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Speaker 3: the top. But this is Russell Vott again talking about

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Speaker 3: this is what we need to do to get this

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Speaker 3: stuff over the line.

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Speaker 14: We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. We want

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Speaker 14: when they woke up in the morning, we want them

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Speaker 14: to not want to go to work because they are

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Speaker 14: so they are increasingly viewed.

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Speaker 1: As the villains.

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Speaker 14: We want their funding to be shut down so that

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Speaker 14: the e PA can't do all of the rules against

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Speaker 14: our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do.

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Speaker 14: So we want to put them in trauma.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do all of the rules. They can't the energy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like what's also infuriating is that this

716
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Speaker 3: guy has the most coward energy ever as they talk

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Speaker 3: about like his fantasy here, but now they are at

718
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Speaker 3: the wheel here and yeah they're pretty much doing it,

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, they're doing it.

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Speaker 2: They frankly have done it. Like there's an executive order

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Speaker 2: issued last week that Trump basically said that he has

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Speaker 2: the authority to like rescind regulations that that that he

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Speaker 2: deems are are like illegal, yeah, which means that you

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Speaker 2: are giving Trump is saying that the executive branch has

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Speaker 2: a power, has the power to interpret law, to to

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Speaker 2: make riscin an interpret law, not just enacted, which is

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Speaker 2: what constitutionally, like you're supposed to do. Is you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to enact the law, right right, He's saying, like you

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Speaker 2: can you can like actually like rescind these laws. Something

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Speaker 2: that is you know, supposed to be what Congress does, right,

731
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Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's it's season complete executive power like

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Speaker 2: it's it is it is some form of like yeah,

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Speaker 2: like it's like an oligarchic monarchy like combination, like it's

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Speaker 2: it's very it's you know, it's similar to like you know, Hungary,

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Speaker 2: similar to to how the Soviet block fell apart. You

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Speaker 2: can you can like look at some like parallels, but

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Speaker 2: this is also like I I don't want to overly

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Speaker 2: rely on historical parallels because this is like yeah, also

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Speaker 2: like deeply American, this is deeply twenty first century. It

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Speaker 2: has to do with like the Internet, it has to

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Speaker 2: do with like tech agents, like it has to do

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Speaker 2: with like a big tech misinformation disinformation reality tunneling. Like

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Speaker 2: it's it's so it's so modern and it's so American

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Speaker 2: that I hesitate to like to like overly prescribe historical analog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's the most we can do is

746
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Speaker 3: just to kind of look back and like it's kind

747
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Speaker 3: of like this, but nothing really is a one to

748
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Speaker 3: one thing. It's because there's no Twitter, there's no you know,

749
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Speaker 3: all this misinformation that's around people, like and to your point,

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Speaker 3: it's it's not it's we can't quite relate it like

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Speaker 3: a one to one thing.

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Speaker 2: It's so unique that I think in thirty years we

753
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Speaker 2: will refer to what's happening right now is like that's

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Speaker 2: what like America did in the twenty twenties. Like it's

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Speaker 2: it's just so seismic that like, yeah, we already kind

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Speaker 2: of relate like referg to, you know, like the Reagan

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Speaker 2: deregulation like era of the eighties, right that that's kind

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Speaker 2: of a thing that we like conceptualize as this is

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Speaker 2: so much more than that, like already, and it's just starting.

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Speaker 2: We're like what like a month in right, like right,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's like the fundamental fabric of our country

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Speaker 2: has been severely altered. Like the country that you knew

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Speaker 2: like two months ago is gone. Then the way that

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Speaker 2: it operates, the types of checks and balances it has,

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Speaker 2: the services it provides. That government no longer exists, like

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Speaker 2: this is a different government now, and it feels weird

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00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: to like think about that and then watch everyone just

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Speaker 2: kind of carry on looking at the little black box

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Speaker 2: in their hand.

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Speaker 1: Uh are you surprised? I guess that, Like the New

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Speaker 1: York Times, Watchington Posts, like these traditional mainstream media outlets

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Speaker 1: are kind of taking it in stride, like they're not

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Speaker 1: saying the thing that like this is coup of the

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Speaker 1: US government, or at least they're not consistently saying that.

775
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Speaker 1: It's just like kind of one thing at a time.

776
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Speaker 2: Like they're dipping their toes into it. Sometimes it depends

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Speaker 2: who the journalist is, depends who that the writer is,

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Speaker 2: But no, like I think frankly, people are looking to survive,

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Speaker 2: like like like worst case scenario, how can I get

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Speaker 2: out of this?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 2: If this like fun, if this like continues to fundamentally

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Speaker 2: be a different time, Like that's that's what That's why

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos rescinded the Kamala endorsement for the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: Like you are seeing like big tech, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 2: Tim Apple, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Jeff Bezos,

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Speaker 2: the guy at Google who I forget his name, who

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Speaker 2: like they have they have people who have historically provided

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Speaker 2: a degree of resistance to some of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the crazy Trump stuff. They are all closing ranks the

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Speaker 2: like we we are one class now and as long

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Speaker 2: we will look out for each other. Now will look

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Speaker 2: out for you Trump if you look out for us,

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Speaker 2: And like they're not playing the same game that people

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Speaker 2: played in twenty seventeen. Like it's there is no hashtag

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Speaker 2: resistance right now. There is like there is like survival

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Speaker 2: and like that. I guess that's like the big thing

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Speaker 2: that I'm seeing is people are trying to like survive

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Speaker 2: in case things like go go like really really bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for those billionaires, it's clear like rather than like

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Speaker 3: bail water on the sinking ship, they're just being like

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Speaker 3: where's my lifeboat? Because I'm not going to fucking help

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Speaker 3: this thing. Like yeah, I'm getting the fuck.

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Speaker 1: Out of this. Yeah, and let's take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: I'll come back and.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that's uplifting.

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Speaker 1: There we go from here, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 9: And we're back.

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Speaker 1: And have you guys seen these Have you seen this?

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Speaker 1: You heard about this?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen these p o V you wake up

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Speaker 1: in historical period videos? Mm hmm, they're going viral on TikTok.

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Speaker 1: We've got the unders ai o V underscore lab. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so they are AI generated. So first of all, I

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Speaker 1: just want to I'm gonna have some complaints about these

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Speaker 1: videos a little bit. I do want to say.

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Speaker 5: I hope those complaints are somewhat humorous.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm with mord on this one.

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Speaker 1: I do have a compliment that is in no way humorous.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time I've seen p o V

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Speaker 1: used correctly on TikTok. Ever, is it like these videos

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Speaker 1: are from the point of view of some a character

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Speaker 1: who is waking up like that he looks down and

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Speaker 1: he sees his feet type thing like.

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Speaker 5: AI is it's nerdy enough to get the to get

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Speaker 5: the perspective correct, yes, as opposed to like POV you

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Speaker 5: just saw like this happened and like that.

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Speaker 1: That is a thing that is used all over TikTok,

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Speaker 1: and they never know what POV means.

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Speaker 6: Like you can see your own nose, right, you could

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Speaker 6: just like just see yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's just it means nothing. On the other hand, it's

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Speaker 1: basically like a movie of the weak level commitment to

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Speaker 1: historical accuracy. And this is not shocking because not only

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Speaker 1: do they use AI to generate the vision like that

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Speaker 1: makes That's what I assumed it meant when it was

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Speaker 1: like AI videos. They're using AI and like blending together

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Speaker 1: all this different source material to get these videos that

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Speaker 1: ostensibly look like they take place in ancient Egypt or

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Speaker 1: you know, during the Black Plague. But the person also

843
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Speaker 1: uses AI to do all the research. He just asks

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Speaker 1: chat gpt to research a time period and then ask

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Speaker 1: for information about like what people would have looked like

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Speaker 1: and done. And as we've seen, chat GPT and AI

847
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Speaker 1: fucking sucks at answering questions like that. Google asked it

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Speaker 1: for cheese facts for their super Bowl commercial and the

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Speaker 1: chief factor came back with that they featured in their

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Speaker 1: super Bowl commercial was a gouda is I think responsible

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Speaker 1: for like sixty percent of cheese consumption in the world,

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Speaker 1: like some some facts that is like so obviously false

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Speaker 1: that liked.

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Speaker 3: I could have show that, but not say this is

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Speaker 3: a Nazi salute, right, What the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 1: We're trying to destroy truth. So you have when you

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Speaker 1: have a thing that is about facts and is saying

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Speaker 1: things definitively, you want it to be not true so

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Speaker 1: that when something definitively horrible happens that you can be like,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean, fucking Google says Guda is

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Speaker 1: responsible for most cheese consumption. Obviously that's not true, But

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Speaker 1: you know what is truth anymore? Thank you? I'll be

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Speaker 1: right back.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to iHeartRadio on ninety six point six The six.

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Speaker 1: Six Wait, ninety six is called the six Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: a weird choice by that. I don't know what they

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Speaker 1: were doing over there. Yeah, but let's let's take quick

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Speaker 1: looks at some of these to these videos, POV, you're

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Speaker 1: a fam painter during the renaissance. Is that I don't

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Speaker 1: want this one? So this one's during the Black Plague.

871
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: A lot of horrible shit happening real quick. You see

872
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: a rat that is also a cat walk by ah

873
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: that's what that was. Yes, this person is you're buying

874
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: bread off the filthiest person ever, giving the bread to

875
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: another person, and your hands they the hands are always visible.

876
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: That that must be like something that the AI dictates.

877
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: Then you give the give the medicine to an old

878
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: sick man, so there's a story. They're not just trying

879
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: to tell you about history. They are storytellers. And then

880
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: the person falls over dead. So it's like, your dumb ass,

881
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have given that medicine to it.

882
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 5: Can I just say that those like the Uncali the

883
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 5: Uncanny Valley thing there is like perfectly executed because the

884
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: eyes of the people suffering from the Black Plague are

885
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: the most haunted eyes I've ever seen.

886
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is horrifying, But they all like kind of

887
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: have beautiful eyes. They are in the case as you're

888
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: dying from playing, you would be everybody would be kind

889
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: of hot and look like they're in like a perfume

890
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: commercial about the Black Death.

891
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like they all kind of look like Winona

892
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 5: Ryder a little bit.

893
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: Right.

894
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, your skin is covered in dirt, but it's mixed

895
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: because all they're doing is like mixing all the faces

896
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: from media and so like.

897
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: It's mostly actors presumably, and so hot people looking a

898
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: little gaunt. All right, this one we're getting to see

899
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Pompeii on the day of the eruption. That that that

900
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: part is weird. I think it's just a glitch of

901
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: the AI.

902
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 7: The guy's like holding his hand out and then opens

903
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 7: his mouth but doesn't nothing is said.

904
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 6: Well, you know how all the Renaissance painters were like, hey, uh,

905
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 6: like and subscribe to my work before they drew it

906
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 6: on a ceiling, right exactly?

907
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: Will thoush that?

908
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: I like?

909
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: Right? So, but all this like feels like, I don't know,

910
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: could be realistic ish? Uh, you know what's coming next?

911
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: This mountain Mount Vesuvius, a piece of pottery just like

912
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: flies up for no reason.

913
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: Wait, where is hands? Where are the hands? How am

914
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: I supposed understand what happening if there's no hands?

915
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, POV. This person is pretty chill for being in

916
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: a POV. Look at that one.

917
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: Do you guys see that towards it?

918
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: They're running towards it just goes full rolling Emrick. It

919
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: immediately becomes a river of fire and fire and then

920
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: there's like a fire laser beam coming down the street,

921
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: like it's the fucking the aliens from Independence Day are attack.

922
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 5: Like AI red save the cat, you know, with the

923
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 5: cat in the tree, but it doesn't understand like that.

924
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 5: It can very easily go too far where it's no

925
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 5: longer entertaining at all.

926
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: It's just a nightmare. Right.

927
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: This might be the strip talking, but this is the

928
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: most relaxed I've been in weeks watching that video.

929
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It really suited me watching.

930
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: There is something soothing about it, I will say, Like

931
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: there's just the rhythm of the videos. There's like a

932
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: SlowMo you feel, you feel like you're in a dream

933
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: like that has always been the coolest I think whoever

934
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: ultimately harnesses what is good about AI will dig into

935
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: the fact that they just feel like a fucking the

936
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: wildest dream you've ever had, you know, Like they feel

937
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: like an acid trip mixed with just a dream that

938
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: you remember vividly?

939
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 5: Is it because it's like it's so real, but it's

940
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: detached from reality in the same way that dreams are.

941
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's no narrative logic to like the images.

942
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: You have to like kind of harness it and like

943
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: press as hard as you can on both sides, just

944
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: like keep it on the rails a little bit. There

945
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: are some great ones where they don't do that. And

946
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: it's just like person in a laundromat turns into like

947
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: a rocket that is flying through the air, turns into

948
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: like an amazing tropical fish, turns into like all these

949
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: like wild beautiful visuals.

950
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: I wish they all did and like that. It is

951
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 5: like POV you're like an eighties musician in a synth band,

952
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 5: but it just ends with like a volcano and fire.

953
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

954
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: Producer Bay dropped the load of the chat that says

955
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: waking Up in North Korea, and it's it's the dumbest

956
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: video I've ever seen in my life.

957
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: You have to watch it.

958
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 6: They totally they totally mailed it in on this one.

959
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 6: It's like also shorter, like there's so much they could

960
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 6: have done with it.

961
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: They always so I feel like they're just like they've

962
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: skinned one video and then just replace details around.

963
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: It seems to be the thing, right man. Even AI's

964
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 5: cutting corners.

965
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: That's even Ai. That is basically all AI does.

966
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 5: Corners, all these participations, participation trophies we gave AI.

967
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: So wake Up North Korea in twenty twenty five looks

968
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: like this year an apartment yet an apartment in the

969
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Lower East Side. But okay, actually doesn't look bad. Wait,

970
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: that's not where he was before. And that's the video.

971
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: And now you've learned everything you need to know about AI,

972
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: about North Korea.

973
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 5: And AI learning about our leader.

974
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: I like that the paper that they're writing on looks

975
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: like somebody wiped their ass with it for some reason,

976
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: like they can't take gotta you gotta reuse your toilet

977
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: paper for writing down notes about dear leader. The details that. So,

978
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: they the BBC, because they're good at content, had historians

979
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: watch these videos because these videos are like blown up.

980
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: They have like five million views, and the historians were

981
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: pointing out like some of the stuff was a little pedantic,

982
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: a little Neil de grass tyson ish, where it was

983
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: like they're reading the glyphics from left to right and

984
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: actually it should be right to left. But some of it,

985
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: some of the things they point out is just like oh,

986
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: that would have like made the video so much more interesting,

987
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Like they point out like they did chernobyl one and

988
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: they were saying they like made the technology shittier than

989
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: it actually was, and like the technology in Chernobyl and

990
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union at that time was actually like

991
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: pretty impressive in advanced, which is like not what you

992
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: would expect. So and that's what is interesting about it,

993
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: Like the they point out that, like the bread. You

994
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: may have noticed that every story like focuses on a

995
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: person holding a piece of bread in front of the

996
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: camera for some reason. That's because I don't know that

997
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: worked for them in one video, so they added it

998
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: to all the rest of their videos. Just a person

999
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: holding out bread as we do.

1000
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 5: I hope everyone like starts to turn into bread in

1001
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 5: the car, right, bread, a piece.

1002
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Of bread, You're a bread man.

1003
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 6: Now they start hiring editors like because it's got because

1004
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 6: it's such a big business, and it's like, I'm where

1005
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 6: the fuck is the bread in this video?

1006
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Where's the bread? In the JFK Assassin.

1007
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 16: Issuevo holds a piece of bread, shoots through a bread

1008
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 16: silencer like a bagguet silencer.

1009
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 5: Dude, a bunch of butter comes out of the back

1010
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 5: of his head.

1011
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's now we're thinking, like, but they were like,

1012
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 7: the bread didn't look like that, What did it look like?

1013
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry it is. JFK is just a gingerbread man.

1014
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: She has her hair in a bun. Oh you didn't.

1015
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a driving the limo.

1016
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: It just gets lazier. Anyways, this is I think if

1017
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: you actually used a human to do the research before

1018
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: making these videos, they could be cool, but they instead cooler. Instead,

1019
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: they have just farmed everything out to chat GPT, which

1020
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: are you guys encountering people in your lives being like, hey,

1021
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I just like stuck this into chat GPT, like I

1022
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: used AI to fill out this thing for for us.

1023
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Like that's so so there you go. It's like this

1024
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. I'm so bad that.

1025
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 6: Every time it's I found it's either people who are

1026
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 6: being very lazy and I think that's the best version

1027
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 6: of it. Yeah, I don't feel like doing this. I'm

1028
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: going to do a chat GPT or they have no

1029
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: creative bone in their body whatsoever and they're dumb and

1030
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 6: I actually that sounded mean. I mean I meant any

1031
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 6: other way I think, But I think it's like for

1032
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 6: a lot of people, it's a it's like a thing

1033
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 6: to brag about. It's like remember when like people first

1034
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 6: had iPhones and they're like, look, this iPhone can like

1035
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 6: do a lightsaber.

1036
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: Yeah makes a fart noise, like yeah, yeah, Like it's

1037
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: just a thing to be like I have this thing

1038
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: and I do I know how to use it, even

1039
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: though the thing that it does is fucking stupid.

1040
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 6: Yeah that's a good point. I think that's a better

1041
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 6: point where it's almost like a shiny new toy basically

1042
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 6: like hey, look at this cool new toy that you

1043
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 6: don't know how to use or don't have or have

1044
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 6: chosen not to use, and I'm using it. But then

1045
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 6: it's like that's not a good toy. That toy sucks.

1046
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 6: But there's other toys.

1047
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: These people all think this will swear up and down

1048
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: this is the future and like everything is going to

1049
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: run by AI is.

1050
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 5: So which is I'm having this experience. I don't know why,

1051
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 5: but I was using it for it seemed like it

1052
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 5: was better like a year ago.

1053
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 8: I don't I'm not like you know whatever like in

1054
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 8: my day AI, but like I basically learned how to

1055
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 8: do this kind of podcast studio I have in my

1056
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 8: room almost exclusively from that because I'm not like very

1057
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 8: technologically gifted or whatever.

1058
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: Right, But now it's like saying, yeah, it seems like

1059
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: it's gotten way worse.

1060
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think I think it has isn't

1061
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: there something about it? It's like now it's also drawing

1062
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 5: from AI, so it's like this sort of like like

1063
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: this rot misinformation loop that that's probably why that gooda

1064
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 5: thing happened, you.

1065
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: Know, right, Yeah, yeah, just inevitable, like devolving because it's

1066
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: pulling on itself.

1067
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this isn't this isn't very this isn't like

1068
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 5: a funny take. But I really think my thing is

1069
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 5: like I don't actually think AI is the problem. I

1070
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 5: think capitalism is the problem. Like AI is just a tool,

1071
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like if it's a great tool,

1072
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 5: and ours will use an actor whoever will utilize it properly.

1073
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that we're all almost facing

1074
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 5: eviction all the time, so we can't afford to lose

1075
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 5: any fucking jobs. Whereas that that wasn't the problem. We

1076
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 5: could just use this ship to make things easier for us, you.

1077
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: Know, h No, not you not you. You can't use

1078
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: it for that. The companies can use it for that.

1079
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 5: Well that's you understand what I'm saying.

1080
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

1081
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 6: And the companies own their property, so they're not going

1082
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 6: to be they paid off their mortgages. But yeah, that's

1083
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 6: they can use it to this point.

1084
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, the most thoroughly pointless one they

1085
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: made a Titanic one like POV, you're a person on

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Speaker 1: the Titanic, as if the movie that the movie Titanic

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But then I think they realized that they like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they realize it's pointless because halfway through that video,

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Speaker 1: like as the hallways are like flooding with seawater, the

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Speaker 1: camera like dips below the water and a shark is

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Speaker 1: coming coming down the hallway. I think they were just like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the one way we could have made

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Speaker 1: Titanic better is if there'd been fucking sharks on the boat.

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Speaker 6: Pads a mother holding its child, but it's it's a

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Speaker 6: bread it's a bread loaf.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think it's not Like I think AI

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Speaker 5: has a fucking anxiety disorder. Like every it feels like

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Speaker 5: it's having intrusive catastrophizing thoughts like no matter what it

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Speaker 5: can only discuss like terrible catastrophes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it also, yeah, it just averages out

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Speaker 1: things that have come before and then also does what

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Speaker 1: you what it thinks you want it to do, and

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Speaker 1: so it's just building into expectations. And that is, as

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Speaker 1: I've always said, exactly how great artists created, average everything

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Speaker 1: before it. Imitate that, but do it in a way

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Speaker 1: that you think people want to see it and in

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Speaker 1: no way upsets expectations. That's that you create great art.

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Speaker 5: Do no curious exploration in any in any capacity, no push,

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Speaker 5: no boundaries.

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Speaker 1: That's right, push DNB pushing, no boundaries. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please like

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Speaker 1: and review the show. If you like, the show means

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Speaker 1: the world demiles he he needs your validation. Folks. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk

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Speaker 1: to you Monday.

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Speaker 4: By