1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: episode is airing in early September of twenty twenty five. 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: I know some people are going back to school today. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: If so, we hope everything is going well for you 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: and your household. Others have been back for many weeks already, 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and hopefully you are settling into your routines. But as 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: you are doing so of organizing life is often making lists, 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: and so today's episode is a celebration of lists. We 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: are talking all things lists, from the obvious lists to 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: the more obscure lists. I'm going to be lisping by 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. I can tell for sure. 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: It was hard to talk about a list of lists. 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: But We're going to try, right, Sarah. 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: Yes, we are going to try with all those essays. 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: It's good that I have my ENDVISI line out of 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: my mouth right now. 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: That's true. Essays are hard to say with any sort 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: of orthodontic gear involved. So we get episode ideas from 28 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: different places, and a couple weeks ago, I had written 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: a substack newsletter about lists you might not be making 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: but might want to, and I got a lot of 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: great feedback on that one, and so we decided to 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: delve a little deeper into the idea of lists. We 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: talk with our Patreon community about lists they make. We 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: talk about some lists that we make, So we're just 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: going to go through some of them and talk about 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: how they work for us and how they have sometimes 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: not worked for us, and go from there. Yeah. 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: I think mostly they work, or even if they don't 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: work any obvious ways, sometimes they can work in subtle ways. 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. Well, I think time spent organizing life 41 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: in general is seldom wasted. I know perhaps some of 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: us maybe spend a little bit more time on that 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: than we should do so sometimes, but I think most 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: people spend less time on it than they probably should. 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: I think you'd agree with that one hundred percent agree 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, all right, Well, let's start with one 47 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: huge list, a bucket list of starts the list of 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: one hundred dreams. So this is an unedited list of 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: anything you might want to spend more time doing in 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: your life. You can certainly just treat it as a 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: general bucket list. The issue with a bucket list is 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: many people start and then sort of abandon it after 53 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: item number twenty, as they've listed the twenty countries they 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: want to visit. The thing about getting all the way 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: to a one hundred is it requires you to keep 56 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: thinking about it, coming back to it, and after you 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: have exhausted again the twenty countries you want to visit, 58 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: you have to come up with slightly more doable dreams, 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: which can be a good thing as we start to 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: get into items that might be more possible to pull 61 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: off in the next few weeks. So, Sarah, you've made 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: this list, right. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: I have made this list, and the last time I 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: reviewed it was actually or like renewed. It was at 65 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: our best laid plans live last year. So I actually 66 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: got out my workbook where I had done my notes, 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: and it was like handily sitting there. So I definitely 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: recommend if you do this exercise, putting it somewhere that 69 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: you know you will find. I actually found that a 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: very risky place to put it. And really, if I'm 71 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: thinking about I should probably take pictures of that and 72 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: just stick it into Apple notes or somewhere a little 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: bit more evergreen. But yeah, I love this exercise. 74 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm going to do a full on 75 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: refresh of it this November when we meet up for 76 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Best Laid Plans Live, partly because I've been looking at 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: once I made. I made one in like twenty fifteen. 78 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I think I made one in twenty ten, one in 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and some of this stuff feels, I don't know, 80 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: a little stale to me now. I don't know if 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I've reworked some dreams, some I've done, some just aren't 82 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: as appealing to me anymore. And so I think it 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: is something that you do want to update every now 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: and again. But are there things on your list of 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: one hundred dreams that you've done in the last year 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: or so? 87 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: Sarah, Yeah, I had to actually go back and look 88 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: and the things on there that I have accomplished within 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: the past twelve months are that I got a book published. 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: I mean it's not like out yet, but it's coming 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: out in December. 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: It's coming in. The rock is rolling down the hill 93 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: at this point. It would take a lot for it 94 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: to stop at this point. Yes, So that's very exciting. 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: And that was always fairly high up on my one 96 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: hundred dreams list for a long time. So that's really fun. 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: I had on there to see Taylor Swift, which I 98 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: accomplished in October of twenty twenty four. It was great fun. 99 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: I had qualify for the Boston Marathon on there. Interestingly, 100 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: I didn't have run the Boston Marathon on there, which 101 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: was presient because I did qualify based on their sort 102 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: of time cut offs to apply. I didn't actually make 103 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: the time cutoffs to race, and no, I can't run anymore. 104 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: So I'm just considered this as done as done. But 105 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: I did officially. You know, most people use the definition 106 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: of qualify as meeting their qual time, so I did 107 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: that twice. I will consider that done. And then also 108 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: one that hasn't happened yet, but I was happy to 109 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: see it on the list because it's going to come 110 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: to fruition. Is that I wanted to go back to Hawaii, 111 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: and we are planning that for next summer. 112 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: And planning as in, you've already booked. I booked like 113 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: hotel and so yeah, okay, so not just like a 114 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: wild dream like ooh, we might do Hawaii next summer. 115 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: There's dates on the calendar, there is a hotel reservation. 116 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: It is correct. Again, rock rolling down the hill at 117 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: this point, Yes, what about you? Yeah, well, I was 118 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: looking back over my list, singing the bax b minor 119 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Mass that had been on the list for ages. I 120 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: had wanted to hear concerts of it too, and I've 121 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: done that as well with some other groups that have 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: performed it. It was more easy to hear other people 123 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: perform it than to find a local choir that was 124 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: doing it. But finally made that happen on New Year's 125 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: Eve twenty twenty four, so that is done. I also 126 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Portugal. I think I thought of 127 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: it as more of a leisure and i'd see like 128 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: the Azores or however you say that too. But I 129 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: went for work and Portugal is still beautiful. I spoke 130 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: at a retreat on the coast in Portugal, and so 131 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I was still enjoying the beautiful Portuguese coast, even if 132 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't really a relaxing trip in that sense that. 133 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: Sounds like a retreat I would want to go on 134 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 2: next time. I'll have to be an in the audience. Yeah, 135 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: I know, it's drag you along exactly. 136 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, it's funny. I actually had the 137 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift I mentioned I wanted to go to concerts 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: with my kids, and I, you know, had in a 139 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: This was like in twenty eighteen. I guess there's something 140 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: when I made it and I said, some friends took 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: their daughters to see Taylor Swift and said it was 142 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: really fun. And of course now I've done gone to 143 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: see Taylor as well. That wasn't in the last year. 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: I guess it was a little outside the last year, 145 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: but it was good. So more things hopefully to come. 146 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: I have one thing on there that will likely happen 147 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: over Christmas, but I'm a little I get funny about 148 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: talking about things before they actually superstitious. After Christmas. Yeah, yeah, 149 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: we will revisit that topic. Another list you might want 150 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: to make is a someday maybe list, or you might 151 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: call it a project list. So this is loosely based 152 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: on David Allen's idea. The productivity writer David Allen talks 153 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: about a someday maybe list, which solves the problem of 154 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: things you would like to do or a need to 155 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: do so not fun list of one hundred dreams type things, 156 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: but they are not urgent or particularly important in the 157 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: next week or so, let's say. And what often happens 158 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: is people make these very very long to do lists 159 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: that are totally useless because they have all the items 160 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: that should go on a Someday maybe list. And so 161 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of your list that says send invoices 162 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: on the Jones projects, set up meeting with Rebecca, and 163 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: organize garage, Like why is that there? That's not happening today, right, 164 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, you still want to do it at some point, 165 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: so it goes on these someday maybe or project lists, 166 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You have this going 167 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: as well, right, Sarah. 168 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Yes, I use mine a little bit more speculatively, like 169 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: we'll talk about it later, because I use nested goals list. 170 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: If I think something might happen in the year, it's 171 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: probably on my annual list, not my Sunday maybe. I 172 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: use someday maybe for like, I really don't have a 173 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: timeframe for this, and a lot of it's just like, oh, 174 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: this is a cool idea that would be fun, and 175 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: sometimes I've ended up doing stuff on there. I think 176 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: actually launching my courses was like a someday maybe idea 177 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: at one point. So some of these can really bubble 178 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: up and become big, and then others are going to 179 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: sit there until I die and it's totally fine. Like 180 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: I have this medical memoir that I'm probably never going 181 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: to write, but I want it in there with the 182 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: ideas that I came up with because I don't want 183 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: to lose those ideas. But it doesn't belong on any 184 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: of my other like sort of real time lists, because 185 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: I have no concrete plans to put this into fruition. 186 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, mine tends to be more of things that I 187 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: know I do need to do or would very much 188 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: like to do, not fun things, but are are there. 189 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: And so it would be like get new running shoes now, 190 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: I do not actually need to do that this week. 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: I could do it at any point in the next 192 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: few months. Most likely I'm not exactly running so much 193 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: that it matters, but I don't want to forget that 194 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: I have to do it. And so where this list 195 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: winds up being helpful is I have it running, and 196 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I get a little bit more gung ho about 197 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: doing stuff on it, like, Okay, I actually need to 198 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: make sure that Henry has shorts that fit, or that 199 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: I need to go through the kid's books and see 200 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: if some need to be moved to a different bookshelf 201 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: because they've changed reader levels of who is looking at 202 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: those books, or we need to paint this room. And 203 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to happen now, but I don't want 204 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: to forget it. And then if I'm feeling excited, I 205 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: will go on there and pull something off. And sometimes 206 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it's fun if you have a little extra time on 207 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: a Friday to order new shoes. 208 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: Totally, I think seasonally is a nice cadence to browse 209 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: your Sunday maybe list and you can either decide to 210 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: put on that season's list if you make one, or 211 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: you can be like, you know, what, next week looks 212 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: really empty, let me just put this on a day, like, 213 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: let me just schedule it, let me whatever you just said, 214 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: clean out the shorts or whatever, let me just put 215 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: it on Wednesday, because hey, I have an open day 216 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: or something like that. So I don't think you need 217 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: to look at your Sunday maybe every day. That would 218 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: be overkill, but having some kind of cadence is a 219 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: good idea. Yeah. 220 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely. One more that we're going to do before our 221 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: ad break is the idea of an travel specific list, 222 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: so a more time bound travel list. So now, obviously 223 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: on your list of one hundred dreams, you might have 224 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: all the places you want to visit in your bucket list, 225 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: but travel is the sort of thing you can start 226 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: to plan more specifically over for sure the next twelve months, 227 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: but you can start thinking over the next I don't 228 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: know three years or so of where you'd like to 229 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: slot things, particularly if you have school age kids and 230 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: are really only traveling over Christmas break, spring break, summer. Right, 231 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: so you could just set up for the next three 232 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: ye where are you going in each of these slots 233 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: and obviously not all of them, but it helps with 234 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: thinking about like, Okay, is this the year we're aiming 235 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: for this country, or is this year we're doing something 236 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: a little bit more local because we're saving money for 237 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: two years doing this big trip and it might then 238 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: change depending on ages of kids, how many will be 239 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: home that sort of thing. 240 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: Yes, definitely good to put your kids ages on there 241 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: and any family milestone. I kind of like five years, 242 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: And I do not see this as like an actual 243 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: concrete plan. I agree that really only the kind of 244 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: next twelve months and then maybe a few special trips 245 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: beyond that. Like you do have to book certain things 246 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: very far in advance, but most things twelve months is 247 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: a enughly way I see them as ideas, like, you know, 248 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: maybe I have Japan in there for twenty twenty seven, 249 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: but then I decide, you know what, actually we have 250 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: this other pressing thing, and I'll do that in twenty 251 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: twenty eight. But at least I have a place to 252 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: start from. 253 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Plus it's super. 254 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: Fun to think about. And then a lot of times 255 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: you will go with what you have there because you 256 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: start thinking about it, and then you know, one day 257 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: you start looking at hotels and these things just become 258 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: more and more concrete until you're bookingaing them. 259 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, Well we're going to take a quick 260 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: ad break and then we'll be back with more of 261 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: our list of lists. Well, we are back talking lists 262 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: of lists, all the lists you might want to be making. 263 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: The lists we make and what they do in our lives. 264 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: So another kind of list that can be fun to 265 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: make is a seasonal fun list. We do this a 266 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: sort of different versions, Sarah, your seasonal fund list are 267 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: really more of your like quintile goal lists, right, that's 268 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: where you'd put these things. 269 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: I usually I've been including a category called fun with 270 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: it like as one of my sort of domains or 271 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: categories when I make my seasonal list, And that's been 272 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: my answer to the seasonal fun list that provides enough 273 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: room for me. Maybe I have less fun than you. 274 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe have less fun. Well, I longtime 275 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: blog readers know that I make a couple of different 276 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: seasonal fun lists each year. Definitely a summer fun list, 277 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: So those are the seasonal specific things I want to 278 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: do over the course of the summer to make it 279 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: feel like I had a summer. I often do one 280 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: for the holiday season. So there's obviously many things one 281 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: can do to celebrate the holidays. Different shows, you can 282 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: go to, light displays, activities, sort of home based traditions, 283 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: and it helps you figure out what you really care 284 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: about and what is like, Eh, nobody really liked going 285 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: to that thing, so we don't have to put it 286 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: on the list for next year, and it makes you 287 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: feel like you didn't get to January and think I 288 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: didn't do this, or if it does get to January 289 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: but it turns out that they are still have the 290 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: light display up for another week, you can block it 291 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: in for the first week of January and enjoy it. 292 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: I have done a fall fun list. I have not 293 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: probably when this airs, I may not have published it yet, 294 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: or maybe I will Monday or Wednesday of this week. 295 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: But it's been fun to start thinking about me out 296 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: of summer and we're still when we're recording this, I 297 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: am still in summer. But it starts looking forward to 298 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: things like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be getting to 299 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: see beautiful leaves in upstate New York in mid October, 300 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm excited about that, and I have it on 301 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: the calendar and I can look forward to it, and 302 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a long bike ride somewhere in 303 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the leaves and see that. So yeah, it just focuses 304 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: your fun a little bit. 305 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: And then I listened to that and this is my 306 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: rage season. 307 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: It's like that everyone. 308 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: Else has nice weather and crisp, pretty colors, and we 309 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: have hurricanes and it's. 310 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: Gross and travel somewhere. 311 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: I actually get madder in fall than summer because summer 312 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: like everyone's hot, and in fall it's when everyone else 313 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: gets hot. But you know what, Yeah, the number one 314 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: item that sort of has found its way onto my 315 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: fall fund list is to like get out of here 316 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: for a weekend and see some fall And honestly, I 317 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: would like to include that for the rest of my days. 318 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: That should be a standing item on my fall fun list, 319 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: and I do already have it planned for this year. 320 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: Oh so, okay, I'm glad to hear that there will 321 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: be somewhere crisp boots may and be involved, maybe even 322 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: a pumpkin spice latte. One hundred percent. It's happening, happening, 323 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: It's happening. Another list, which is sort of a subset 324 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: of the list of one hundred dreams. We sort of 325 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: have this global list and then we can break it 326 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: down into smaller lists that sometimes people find a little 327 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: bit more fruitful as they are thinking of is a 328 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: local bucket list. So this is anything you might enjoy 329 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: doing that is within about one or maybe two hours 330 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: of your house. So think somewhere you might get on 331 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: a Saturday, if you got your act together and plan 332 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: to do it right. So you're probably not driving four 333 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: hours somewhere, you're probably not flying somewhere. But if there's 334 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: something that's a seventy minute drive from your house that's 335 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: within the realm of possibility of it's something you really 336 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and so you make this list. And 337 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: this is a good list to involve other family members 338 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: in as well, because these are often things you are 339 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: definitely doing with family members, like on the weekend, if 340 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: you're looking for something to bring people to, what would 341 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: that be. And as you're in a place for multiple years, 342 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: you can start adding to the list taking away from 343 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: the list, and there's certain little kid things that we 344 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: probably just don't do as much. I'm not sure if 345 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I will wind up at the Police Touch Museum anymore, 346 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: but it was there for a long time. 347 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: One nice thing about a local bucket list is that 348 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: you can use it as a reference by looking at 349 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: last year's list when you're planning this falls list or 350 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: this season's list. But remember that you don't have to 351 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: do everything. Just because you did it last year doesn't 352 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: mean you need to do it again. Yeah. 353 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we are not in the holiday season yet, but 354 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: we were getting there eventually. Which a lot of people 355 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: make gift lists right like of what you would buy 356 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: other people, But it might actually be helpful to make 357 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: a list of things other people could buy you because 358 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: you will probably be asked. And this is a good 359 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: place to park something that you were thinking about getting 360 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: but maybe aren't one hundred percent sure, like if you 361 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: want to spend the money on it. And so it's 362 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: actually helpful to be the sort of person that others 363 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: can shop for if you are in a family or 364 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: friend group that believes in buying gifts for each other, 365 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: to not be the person that stumps everyone. So if 366 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: you think of something, put it on a list like this. 367 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: Do you ever do this, Sarah? 368 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: For myself, I do not for a gift. I'm more 369 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: like things I might want to buy in the future. 370 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll like throw that onto my notes app just 371 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: because I find that sometimes the alert phades with time, 372 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: and then I can save myself an impulse buy and 373 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: I guess it will say that also in addition to 374 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: I love this idea because this is different than the 375 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: traditional giftless idea. But on the note of the traditional 376 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: giftless if you do think of an idea for someone. 377 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: For some reason, I'm very good at writing things down, 378 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: except for this. I'm like, oh, I won't forget that. 379 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: That is so. 380 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: Obvious, and I always forget it. So I've become much 381 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: better about capturing these, and then I'm always so glad 382 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: I have them. 383 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And a quick note on capturing something, you can 384 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: always email yourself. If you are the sort of person 385 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: who does process your primary to current at least on occasion, 386 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: then if you email yourself, you will in fact see 387 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: it and hopefully at a time when you can act 388 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: on it, putting it on a different list like a 389 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: collection you have in your planner of gift ideas, or 390 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: a future note that is tied to December ten in 391 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: your calendar, or whatever it happens to be. Grocery shopping list. 392 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: I thought this was sort of self evident, but I 393 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: am married to someone who does a reasonable amount of 394 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: the grocery shopping in our family, and he does not 395 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: tend to shop from a list, which is one of 396 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: the reasons we have ten bags of tortilla chips in 397 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: our pantry, because you know you might run out of 398 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: tortilla chips. Oh well, we eat tortilla chips. Let's buy 399 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: tortilla chips again. But there are worse things that could happen, as. 400 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: Gonna say, at least that's a fairly non perishable item. 401 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: So yes, exactly exactly what I think. We have like 402 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: three tubs of sour cream and our that's more. That's all. 403 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: We weren't out it. Then you're like, God, I make 404 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: fatas and you don't have sour cream, and then people 405 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: are upset. But you know that won't happen in the 406 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: next few weeks. 407 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: Apparently, I always, always I can't like imagine going. I 408 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: mean I would stop and get a few things, but 409 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: that's not usually how my lifestyle works. It's usually like 410 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: I'm getting the week's worth of things, and I always 411 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: have to have a list. 412 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: Well he's getting I think what would be a week's 413 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: worth of things. It's just it's the things we always get, right, 414 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: and there might be like one dinner that we've thought 415 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: about that would be different, and so then that would 416 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: just be in the mental space, I guess. But when 417 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: we do costco shopping trips, I have now created a 418 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: do not buy list, just because again you wind up 419 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: with it's one thing if you've got ten bags of 420 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: tortilla chips that are normal sized, but if you have 421 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: let's say, twelve giant containers of ketchup, you really don't 422 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: need to buy anymore. 423 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: Probably not, Probably not, So do not buy list? 424 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: That is a new one. Do not buy list. 425 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: I know, as long as the person shopping refers. 426 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: To it, refers to it well. And there's also one 427 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: can make the decision that it's a good enough thing 428 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: that somebody else is doing the grocery shopping that your 429 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: idea on how to do it better may not be 430 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: entirely welcome in this case. So a favorite meals list 431 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: This is something I'm pondering creating because we tend to 432 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: do a rotation of meals during the week, but I 433 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: find we tend to be doing the same things on 434 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: weekends too, and I think it might be fun to 435 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: shake things up a little bit, especially if there is 436 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: that one meal, if that's getting shopped for, to change 437 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: up what that specifically is, or if I go to 438 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: the grocery store at some point getting things like that. 439 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite meals list? 440 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: I don't, but I am very attracted to the idea of, like, 441 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: especially doing this by season, because then you can also 442 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: just make sure you're incorporating like oh, everybody loves to 443 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: do barbecuing the summer, or make this stew when it 444 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 2: gets fall or something like that. So no, we don't 445 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: tend to do it. I mean, I feel like I 446 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: have a lot of the favorites in my head. So 447 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: this is one where I have not actually gone through 448 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: making a list. But I guess one other beautiful thing 449 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: about making a list here is that if you keep 450 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: it somewhere, that would be a fun thing to look 451 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: back on, like a decade from now, like, oh, look 452 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: at my kids love to eat. I don't know that's mental. 453 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: They still aren't eating anything. Oh boy, Friday punch list. 454 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: So this is what I call the little tasks that 455 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: kind of stack up during the week and they do 456 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: need to get done, but they are not urgent, and 457 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: so it's different from a someday maybe list in that 458 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: they really do actually have to happen pretty soon, and 459 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: so you want to find a spot on your calendar 460 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: of this week to do them, but they're not your 461 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: top priority, so you don't want to give them your 462 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: best time. You don't want to give them time that 463 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: you've carved out for doing deeper work. If you're thinking 464 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: about something you don't want to be stopping in the 465 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: middle of it to go fill out a permission slip 466 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: or book a hotel, or to answer a non urgent 467 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: email and set up an appointment somewhere. So I keep 468 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: a running list of those and then go through them 469 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: on Friday. I call it a punch list because if 470 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: you've ever had a contractor do a major renovation project, 471 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: at the end they start with making what they call 472 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: a punch list. It's just all these little things that 473 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: they still need to get to at the end before 474 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: they close it out. And so that's what it is. 475 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: For me. 476 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: My Friday punch list. 477 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: MIN intend to just kind of accumulate all my weekly planners. 478 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: But I feel like my nested goals is like my 479 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: answer to a lot of these, just arranged a little 480 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: bit differently. And I don't have a specific day, although 481 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: Wednesday has become a big administrative day, so maybe I 482 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: do have a Wednesday punch list and I don't even 483 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: realize it. 484 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because I mean those aren't necessarily goals per se, 485 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: they're just you know, tasks that have accumulated during the week. Right, like, yeah, 486 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: and if you. 487 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: Do inbox processing and part of that is sort of 488 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: getting done the quick little things that you left there 489 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: until clear out time, that can kind of comprise an 490 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: electronic punch list of sorts. 491 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well we're going to take one more 492 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: quick ad break and then we will be back with 493 00:22:49,680 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: a little bit more on our lists of lists. So 494 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: our next list of things you might want to have 495 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: is thinking about all sorts of media consumption. Lots of 496 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: people have a to be read list of books you 497 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: might want to read sometime soon, but you could also 498 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: have a to be watched TBW as it were a 499 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: TBL maybe to be listened to. I honestly, I'm not 500 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: really doing many of these at the moment. I have 501 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: a TBL through virtue of my year long Beethoven project. 502 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm following the complete Beethoven calendar, and so that is 503 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: my TBL list. Each day, I have a listing that 504 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: goes with that. But you know, I haven't been organizing 505 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: books very well, Sari, You've been doing this a little 506 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: bit more, especially over summer. Yeah. 507 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: Over summer, I usually look at the Modern Missus Darcy 508 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: Summer Reading Guide and just pick a whole slew of 509 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: things off of that because it hasn't steered me wrong 510 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: yet and the summer was no exception. And then what 511 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: tends to happen. I don't get like precious about it. 512 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: I just get the whole thing circle all the ones 513 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 2: that look good, and then randomly them from the library, 514 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: and then whatever comes in I read or I don't read. 515 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: You know, if I run out of time, I just 516 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: return it and pick something else. But that way I 517 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: kind of know I have a nice variety to choose from, 518 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: and it's worked really well for Fall. I'm kind of 519 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: planning on doing something similar and I just came across 520 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: a really fun list actually from Laura Tremaine's newsletter. It 521 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: was like the fall releases she's looking forward to, and 522 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: so many of them were very much up my alley. 523 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 2: So I may use that as sort of the Fall 524 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: version of what I do in the summer. So excited 525 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: for that. 526 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: And how about like watching and listening? Are you keeping 527 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: track of this? 528 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: I do track it, like, but I track it after 529 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: the fact. I don't plan it, if that makes sense, 530 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: So like I do I write my planner if I've 531 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: watched the TV show, I just like put in this 532 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: little media section, so it's fun to be able to 533 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: look back on that. But aside from just paying attention, 534 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: if I have a show that I'm super excited about, 535 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: like knowing when it's coming out, like I think Emily 536 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: in Paris season five releases in December, I know about 537 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: that already, and Annabelle and I were trying to figure 538 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: out the Dance Mom's New Era second season release, but 539 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: the internet does not seem to want to share that 540 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: information with us yet. So things like that I have 541 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: on my radar specific shows, but I wouldn't say I 542 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: keep a active running list, although it sounds fun. 543 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could, although I do have a puzzle 544 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: queue right now, like I ordered several puzzles from White Mountain, 545 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: which is a puzzle company based in the United States. 546 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: They make very nice puzzles, and I had two that 547 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: I did at the beach that I ordered for the beach, 548 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: and one was waiting for me when I came home, 549 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: So that's next in the queue. So that's kind of 550 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: a fun way to spend some time on. It's always 551 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: seasonal right. I tried to do a matchup of summer 552 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: and then fall and so forth with my puzzles. Another 553 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: kind of list is friends and when you've least gotten 554 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: together or talked with this person, because everyone's busy and 555 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, a while can go before you've seen someone, 556 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: and it's not that you couldn't have if you tried. 557 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: It's just that things were busy and so it didn't 558 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: kind of happen. But if you sort of remind yourself, like, oh, yeah, 559 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I haven't seen this person in a couple of weeks, 560 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: I should send a text that can be helpful to 561 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: nudge that sort of thing. 562 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: I definitely don't do this, but I think it's really 563 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: nice and it's true, like we never regret the connections 564 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: we make and keep, so I think it's a lovely idea. 565 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: I feel like I just let mine unfold a little 566 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: bit more holistically. But you're right, there's probably some relationships 567 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: that could use some more regular attention. And by the way, 568 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: the last time we saw each other was in July. 569 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: In case you and we will see each other again 570 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: in November, So yeah, i'd say every couple of months 571 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: that it happens, although we see each other virtually, as 572 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: we record these good points. A fun list you can 573 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: make if you are ever feeling like I'm not getting anywhere, 574 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: life is terrible or whatever. Might be a done list 575 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: or a greatest hits list, so list things that you 576 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: have done or have accomplished. It could be sort of 577 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: a retrospective list of one hundred dreams that you could 578 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: picture someone you twenty five years ago, Let's say, making 579 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: a list of one hundred dreams, and the things you 580 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: would have done that would have been on any reasonable 581 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: list of one hundred dreams, So there could be lots 582 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: of stuff that would be there. You list the trips 583 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: you've taken, the sort of life goals you've met, professional accomplishments, 584 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: any hobby things that you have done, and that just 585 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of makes life feel a little bit more like, oh, yeah, 586 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. 587 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: I've started to do a little bit of that on 588 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: my blog because I've seen people do well, like k 589 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 2: who blogs a Grateful Kids, these monthly recaps that are 590 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: really detailed, and it is a nice way to just 591 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: catalog like, oh I did that, and sometimes when you 592 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: look back and a month seemed a little bit lackluster, 593 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: but you actually look at the objective data, like flip 594 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: through your planner and you're like, see what you checked off, 595 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: you're like, actually I am missing the forest for the trees. 596 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: Then a lot happened, and yes they're stressful points, but 597 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 2: let's celebrate these wins. So I think it's nice to 598 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: do that with a very objective eye, because we tend 599 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: to otherwise, I think, focus on like the one negative 600 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: thing sometimes. 601 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, are there any other lists you keep. 602 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: Sarah, Yes, we have a cumulative list that's very old, 603 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: stored in Apple notes. That is my kid's funny things 604 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: they've said. Now, I highly recommend doing this because when 605 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: a kid says something ridiculous or just really insightful, like 606 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 2: a toddler, I don't know, just says something. I could 607 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: give you examples, but I'm not gonna pull it out 608 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: right now. But anyway, capture it right then and there 609 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: you'll think again, you'll think, oh, I'll remember that. 610 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: You won't. 611 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: But if you write it down and you put the date, 612 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: then it lives forever. And that apple note, let me 613 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: tell you, like we whip that out at a restaurant 614 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: every once in a while. You can't do it up 615 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: too often then it's boring. But like if it's every 616 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: couple of years, everyone just cracks up and you have 617 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: this little collection and is precious, so highly recommend that 618 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: list absolutely well. 619 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: These are just some of our favorite lists that we 620 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: keep with thee to hear yours. Feel free to let 621 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: us know. You can always write me Laura at Laura 622 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: vandercam dot com let me know what lists you are 623 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: keeping and any that have transformed your life. I would 624 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: love to hear about that as well, because I'm always 625 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: on the hunt for the life changing list that I 626 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: haven't thought of but is going to make everything better. 627 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: So can't wait to learn about it. In the meantime, 628 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: Hey question tips for encouraging a potential summer camper who's 629 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: feeling a little reluctant. So somebody is thinking about sleep 630 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: away camp for their kid for next summer. Yes, it 631 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: is September, but some of the early bird deadlines for 632 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: many of these places are late September October, So if 633 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: you are going to sign a kid up, probably better 634 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: to do it. But if the kid is not sure, 635 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, and obviously it's a long time from now, 636 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: what can you do to help them with this? Thinking? 637 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you should go first because mine's 638 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 2: a little contrarian. It's your answer? 639 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, I'm not saying you have to 640 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: go to summer camp either, And I got to say, 641 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm a little wary of the ones that there's some 642 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: people who, you know, some camps is basically all summer long, 643 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and I get that sometimes that's more of a cultural 644 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: thing or you know, I get it, but it does 645 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: seem like a really long time for people to be gone. 646 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: And so I'm talking more about like a week, you know, 647 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: or two weeks of somebody going to camp, and that 648 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: might be worth if somebody is a little reluctant but interested, 649 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: trying to get them into the idea of well, you 650 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: can always try it and it's only a week, Like 651 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: we sent one child to one that was only five 652 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: nights this summer, and you say, well, you'll be on 653 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: the other side of five nights very very quickly, Like 654 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: this time is not long. So at the end of 655 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: it you will know what it's like. You can decide 656 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: to do it again or not. But I think you'll 657 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: always wonder if you thought it was something that sounded 658 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: maybe cool, but you weren't sure, like at some point 659 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: you just have to take the plunge and try it. 660 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: But you know, obviously many of these camps, especially if 661 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: they are a commercial oriented camp, like they have a 662 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: cool camp video, right, you see lots of cool looking 663 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: kids on this giant swing or water skiing or on 664 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: quads or like playing paintball or whatever it is that 665 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: they do with this camp, and that can obviously be 666 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: very exciting if your kid is into that. If there's 667 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: somebody in your neighborhood or school who's been that could 668 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: be good to get the kids to talk to that. 669 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: Ruth suggested watching Bunked, although she said later seasons weren't 670 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: that good, so I don't know. Maybe I have to 671 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: choose an episode carefully. And then if going with a 672 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: friend is obviously a great way to have somebody who 673 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: might be a little reluctant to do it, give it 674 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: a shot, because again, if it's only five nights and 675 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: you're there with somebody that you really like, like, how 676 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: bad could it possibly be? And so that might encourage 677 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: a reluctant camper as well. 678 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: With my kids, I don't think any other selling point 679 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: would do a thing except for the friend one. And 680 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: if they was a friend that they really liked and 681 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: wanted to spend time with, that could be like an 682 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 2: absolute like magic Okay, yeah I want to do it, 683 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: but yeah, I just want to be careful here, because 684 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: I think I got sucked into the idea that like 685 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: your kids had to go to camp or you were 686 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: depriving them of some magical experience and this gift of 687 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: like being independent. And yeah, there's some great things about camp, 688 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: but I was faced with because who didn't want to 689 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 2: go back to camp? And I struggled with that because 690 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: I felt like, oh my gosh, like what did I 691 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: do wrong? Or like do I push them because everyone 692 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: says like they should go? And then I just realized 693 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: I cannot force them to, Like it felt wrong, and 694 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: I believe I made the right choice into saying if 695 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: you want to go to camp, go to camp. If 696 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: you don't want to go to camp, you can go 697 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: to day camp. You're not sitting home all day. I 698 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: mean I'm not talking about like older teens, but like 699 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: younger kids. But you don't have to to be away 700 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: from the house as a single digit kid or even 701 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: like as a as a tween. It's not a requirement. 702 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: And so just make sure that you're encouraging is because 703 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: you think they would really have a lot of fun, 704 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: and not because you feel like you're doing what you're 705 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: supposed to do. 706 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Alex went to sleep away camp for 707 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: two weeks this summer and he really had a good time. 708 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: And I think it's partly that you could do stuff 709 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: in an overnight camp that you probably wouldn't at a 710 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: lot of day camps, and so that was just a 711 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: big selling point for it, and I think he will 712 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: wind up going back. I think Ruth will wind up 713 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: going back to her camp as well. I mean, it 714 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: really is. It can be a lot of fun. Oh 715 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: my gosh. 716 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: If kids love it like, they should go Like. I 717 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 2: think it's a wonderful thing to offer your kids. I 718 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 2: just don't think it's a thing to push, especially if 719 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: they've been and they're answering with a knowledgeable perspective. 720 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they don't want to go back, yeah, then 721 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. Yeah. No, no, you can't. I do not 722 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: believe in pushing people for optional stuff like that at all. 723 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: Our kids are not us. It is possible that you 724 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: love summer camp but your kids do not. It's also 725 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: possible that you felt sad you didn't get to go 726 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: to summer camps and now you're like, I'm giving you 727 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: this opportunity, but your kids don't actually want the opportunity, 728 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: or they try it out side it's not for them, 729 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: and then that is what it is, all right. Love 730 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: of the Week, Sarah, what do you have this week? 731 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: Well? I was really piggybacking on yours, but I will 732 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: say it was very I like them when the teachert well, okay, 733 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: so we're talking about school, Laura's gonna share hers. But 734 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: I gotta love it when the teacher sent me an 735 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 2: exact link to what they want, and then I could 736 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 2: just purchase it without any like thought. 737 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So when I was doing the notes for this episode, 738 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: we had just gone to Target, was at the beach 739 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: and we were kind of hit by the side of 740 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: Hurricane Eron, which was making its way up the Atlantic coast, 741 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: thus closing the beach for a couple of days. And 742 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: it was very rainy, and then it was very windy 743 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: and waves were coming up almost to the boardwalk, so 744 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: clearly nobody was going on the beach. She's like, well, 745 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: what do we do? We will go to Target and 746 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: go school supply shopping, since we had the lists at 747 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: that point for most of the children. And it was fine, 748 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: you know, everyone could get their own stuff from the list, 749 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: but it was fun looking at the receipt afterwards, because 750 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if your targets are like my targets. 751 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes things are not necessarily priced labeled incredibly well. So 752 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: I was just looking at I like, Okay, it's Target, 753 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: it's probably cheap, and I'm like looking at the list afterwards, 754 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: and There'll be random items from Up and Up or 755 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: some other Target brand, but it doesn't say what it is. 756 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: It just this sale item was sixty five cents now 757 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: thirty nine cents. I have no idea what did I 758 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: buy that was thirty nine cents? People even sell things 759 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: for thirty nine cents and race carently they do. What's 760 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: that an eraser, a plastic you know, maybe or the ruler. 761 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: I actually have no idea what it was, but sometimes 762 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: they sell like little boxes of colored pencils really cheap too. 763 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so well we have a thirty nine cent item 764 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: whatever that happens to be. So that could be my 765 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: love of the week. Well, this has been best of 766 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: both worlds. We have been talking lists of lists that 767 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: we like. We will be back next week with more 768 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: on making work and life fit together. 769 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 770 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 771 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: and you. 772 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 773 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 774 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: us next time for more on making work and life 775 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: work together.