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Speaker 1: This is a special edition of the Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm very good. Trap Behind Enemy Lines, Day number forty

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Speaker 1: forty all right, hour two Sean Hannity Show. Toll free

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Speaker 1: our numbers eight hundred nine for one, Shawn, if you

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program. It's an

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Speaker 1: amazing thing, isn't it that we You know, here we

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Speaker 1: are a year later last year at this time, heading

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Speaker 1: into a presidential election, and now with three hundred percent

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Speaker 1: higher in terms of COVID positivity cases. And meanwhile, we've

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Speaker 1: got three vaccines. We've got now Joe Biden for the

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Speaker 1: first time, what last week or a week and a

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Speaker 1: half ago mentions monoclonal antibodies. You know, it's a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump had used regeneron as part of the therapeutic

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Speaker 1: that got him well very quickly. I'm not a doctor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to play one on radio and TV,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to give you my whole spiel.

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Speaker 1: But I'm fascinated with science. I believe in science. I

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Speaker 1: believe in vaccination science. But I'm not your doctor. I

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Speaker 1: know nothing about your medical history, your current medical condition,

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Speaker 1: and I urge everyone to take it seriously and talk

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Speaker 1: to your doctor. We lost nearly seven hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 1: I don't want my audience dying. I don't want anybody dying.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you hate me, I don't want

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Speaker 1: you dying anyway. And so I was reading the Epic

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Speaker 1: Times last week, and sure enough they interviewed a guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I had not heard of him before,

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Speaker 1: because I'm following this daily. His name is doctor Robert Malone.

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Speaker 1: It turns out he is the inventor of the technology

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Speaker 1: of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug. In other words,

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Speaker 1: the technology that led to the FISA MODERNA vaccines a

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Speaker 1: little different than the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I'll

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Speaker 1: let him explain the difference because he joins us now, sir,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Thank you for being Willis. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for the opportunity to speak to you in your audience.

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Speaker 1: The first question, doctor, is am I doing the right

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Speaker 1: thing by telling people to take it seriously? Take you know,

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Speaker 1: do your research, learn as much as you can be informed,

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Speaker 1: take into account your unique medical history, your current medical condition,

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Speaker 1: and please talk to your doctor and then make the

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Speaker 1: right decision based on that conversation. Is that the right

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Speaker 1: advice because I see all these people in Washington that

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Speaker 1: never went to medical school and all these people on

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Speaker 1: TV that never went to medical school with one size

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Speaker 1: fits all medicine, and I have a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: You're dead on, and thank you for saying it. It's

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Speaker 1: precisely the thing that I've been trying to say. I'm

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Speaker 1: not anti vax I've been a vaccinologists for thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and as you say kindly, I did play a key

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Speaker 1: role in inventing the technology platform for these and I've

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Speaker 1: done many other things in my career, but I believe

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Speaker 1: firmly in ethics and bioethics and in ensuring that we

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Speaker 1: have saved and effective products. And it's always been the

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Speaker 1: case that vaccines have been stratified for their um for

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Speaker 1: deciding whether or not to recommend based on age, and

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Speaker 1: this is clearly a disease of the elderly m THEO piece, UM,

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Speaker 1: so you're, as far as I'm concerned, you're messaging to

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Speaker 1: your audience is pitch perfect. Well. I appreciate it because

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Speaker 1: I'm I get the crappy at otomy doctor every day

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you cannot you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually am fascinated with medicine. UM. I did an

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Speaker 1: hour special with doctor A doctor's name is doctor Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: and m Yu lang Ohn and he did the first

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Speaker 1: successful face and hand double hand transplant. UM. I have

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Speaker 1: two friends of mine that are brain surgeons. I've actually

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Speaker 1: been in an operating room watching brain surgery. I'm fascinated

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Speaker 1: by it, and I'm fascinated by science. Can you explain

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Speaker 1: the difference between mRNA technology that you played a big

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Speaker 1: which is more historically how they did it. The Maderna

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Speaker 1: Fiza vaccines would be this new technology mRNA. Can you

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Speaker 1: explain it? Actually, you've got something a little bit wrong.

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Speaker 1: The J and J vaccine and I've heard this before.

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Speaker 1: The J and J vaccine is not a traditional vaccine technology. Okay,

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Speaker 1: All three of those are basically gene therapy technologies applied

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Speaker 1: But the ad vector tech uses a recombinant cold virus

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Speaker 1: like is attenuated vaccine. So that's a polio, smallpox, yellow fever.

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Speaker 1: Those are all attenuated, live attenuated vaccine. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: both the adno vector J and J and the maderna

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Speaker 1: But you know, you're way more you're way more sophisticated

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Speaker 1: doing it well. As Richard Feinman said, if you can't

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Speaker 1: make a complex topic understandable, then you don't really understand it. No,

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Speaker 1: but I do. So let me ask it in these terms,

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Speaker 1: because okay, people, you know, we have seen the results

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Speaker 1: vaccine is against the original alpha strain, so it's no

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Speaker 1: longer matched. This is one of the big problems. The

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Speaker 1: truth is that we're vaccinating for yesterday's virus, okay, and

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Speaker 1: so we're generating friends of mine yell at me for

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Speaker 1: a little similar to that, right, Well, it's a good point,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, there's even more you're even more accurate

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Speaker 1: a number of reasons, many vaccinologists, myself included, think that

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Speaker 1: One of the things that's kind of a little bit

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Speaker 1: worrisome about this, we're just going to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: give everybody a jab every six month strategy is there's

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Speaker 1: a thing called high zone tolerance and another thing called

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Speaker 1: original energenic sin. So those are fancy immunology words, but

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Speaker 1: what they equate to is that more is not always

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Speaker 1: better with vaccines. More vaccination, more frequent vaccination can in

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Speaker 1: some cases, actually make it so that you're less able

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Speaker 1: to mount an immune response against a pathogen. I'm running

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Speaker 1: out a time, unfortune, and I rarely give a full

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Speaker 1: considering you're up to your eyeballs and all of this,

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Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, I want everybody to

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Speaker 1: put this in the category of information. Take it seriously.

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Speaker 1: Talk to your doctor. Doctors look at your unique medical history,

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Speaker 1: your current condition, talk to your doctor and make the

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Speaker 1: make the right decision for you. Um and I just

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Speaker 1: want everybody to be informed and smart and safe and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know obviously now I and now I understand after

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Speaker 1: all of this, why people spend their entire lives studying

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Speaker 1: one virus. It's crazy. It's crazy to me, M But

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being on the program. Doctor Well, I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back again. And uh, we you know,

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Speaker 1: you should really take a bow. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: for the people that you know you pointed out absolutely

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Speaker 1: need this vaccine. Sixty five call morbidities, pre existing conditions,

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Speaker 1: compromised immune systems. You know, you're very clear on it,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate your forth rightness on it. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to be on your program anytime, my friend. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: and it'd be good all right, Thank you, sir, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Robert Malone. Fascinating. Let's talk to your doctor. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot to learn. I mean, every time I think I

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Speaker 1: know something, I am learning more. Quick break right back