WEBVTT - How To Land your Dream Job (How To Mondays)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey ba fam, I am so excited about today's how

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<v Speaker 1>To throwback episode of Brown Ambition. In this episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to do my thing y'all as a career coach

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<v Speaker 1>and help a lucky listener land their dream job. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just got the update today while I was recording

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<v Speaker 1>this that they actually got an incredible new job. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is why I love doing what I do. And

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<v Speaker 1>without further ado, enjoy this throwback episode. Hey ba fam,

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<v Speaker 1>It's Mandy here with another episode of the ba qa

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<v Speaker 1>a the v a qa to say the v a

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<v Speaker 1>qa with just Man day today because my girl Tiffany

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<v Speaker 1>is OOO and we support that. We hope she's having

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous vacation. But I am not alone. I am

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<v Speaker 1>joined by If not a be a existing listener, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope she will become one after this. At least she

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<v Speaker 1>was brave enough to submit a question to our podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm really excited to have her here. Welcome Keyvanya,

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<v Speaker 1>who is calling us from Atlanta, Georgia. What's up, girl?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on. I'm very excited to have this discussion, so thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to a bunch of strangers about what's happened in

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<v Speaker 1>your career and everything? This is normal, It's a normal Tuesday. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this type of question, first of all, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to listen. We'll take a listen to your

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<v Speaker 1>question first and just come right back, okay, because I

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<v Speaker 1>am ready to defend my LinkedIn. Okay, LinkedIn is bay

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to defend her at all costs. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's listen to your question real fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, my name is Keyvanya. First, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for taking the time. I'll to answer my question. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give you a little context before asking the question.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a contractor right now seeking out a full

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<v Speaker 2>time role in the field that I'm currently working in.

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<v Speaker 2>Before this, I was working in another field, so I

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<v Speaker 2>did a little bit of a career change. However, this

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<v Speaker 2>role that I'm in right now isn't giving me the

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<v Speaker 2>full experience that I'm seeking. And so I've done all

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<v Speaker 2>the things of getting my resume redone, getting my resume

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<v Speaker 2>looked over, having my LinkedIn optimized, you know, using LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 2>to connect with people to network. However, it just seems

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<v Speaker 2>to me that LinkedIn is not really doing what I

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<v Speaker 2>really needed to. I've been seeking a full time role

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<v Speaker 2>for a little over a year now, and by LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 2>not doing what I needed to, I just mean that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not been able to help me secure a full

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<v Speaker 2>time role, and so I'm seeking knowledge on are there

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<v Speaker 2>other opportunities outside of LinkedIn that I can do, like

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<v Speaker 2>on a frequent basis, to be able to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>people in the field that I'm working in, because it

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<v Speaker 2>seems that LinkedIn is just not enough and I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to connect with people on a more

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<v Speaker 2>personal level because the Internet is just not enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would love for you to give me some

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<v Speaker 2>advice on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, all right, Kevanya, why are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to come for my girl LinkedIn like that? She's

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<v Speaker 1>not enough for you.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not giving what she needs to give. Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought of LinkedIn as like the Holy Grail at first,

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<v Speaker 2>but now I don't know. I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just using it wrong or I'm not using it enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on there every day, so I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just not seeming to be something that's working for me specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that. I mean, the thing is like LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the tools and your toolkit. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>your resume, and I'm actually, I'm actually really, I'm not really,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm I guess I'm happy to hear that you're

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<v Speaker 1>tinkering more with LinkedIn than with your resume, because LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 1>is just sort of what's more visible to recruiters and

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<v Speaker 1>people who can give you opportunities. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>people spend a lot of time obsessing over like the

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper, you know, on their resume, versus actually

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<v Speaker 1>being active on LinkedIn. So you've ticked two big boxes

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time someone has ticked the box up,

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<v Speaker 1>I got my resume and I'm active. Excuse me, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>active on LinkedIn and I've optimized my LinkedIn. Now it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for the next step, which you've identified. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that LinkedIn is not giving what it needs to give entirely,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that it doesn't it's not always enough to just

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<v Speaker 1>focus on LinkedIn. The human element is essential. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I like about your question is that you're ready and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I think I need to like talk to

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<v Speaker 1>people and get more involved with my network. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's not like always such a straightforward, you know option

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<v Speaker 1>for like actually getting out there and networking and I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's even a scary word and an Ichy word

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<v Speaker 1>for people, but basically forming relationships and strengthening relationships with

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<v Speaker 1>people you know in your industry. So with that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want more specifics, like what kind of work do

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<v Speaker 1>you actually do and what sort of opportunity are you

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<v Speaker 1>looking for?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I can give you a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>back and then the now and then what I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>for the future. So my past is I have a

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<v Speaker 2>past of mental health profession and I was a therapist specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>and so building relationships is one of my strong suits

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<v Speaker 2>and also working with systems. However, during the pandemic, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things happened. The pandemic, obviously George Floyd and

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<v Speaker 2>then Breonna Taylor were also murdered. As a mental health

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<v Speaker 2>professional at that time, it was very hard, very hard

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<v Speaker 2>for people to receive services and very hard for people

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<v Speaker 2>to give services as well, and so I became really

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<v Speaker 2>burnt out. Before I even left school. I decided I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do therapy anymore, and so I loved

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<v Speaker 2>the system aspect. So I found project management and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I do now. So I'm a project manager for

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<v Speaker 2>a marketing and branding firm. Right now, However, I am

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<v Speaker 2>a contractor. I am the first project manager. So a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the knowledge that I have is from my

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<v Speaker 2>own research inside my work and also outside of it

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So there's a little bit of like a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of boundaries there as well, because essentially I'm teaching

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<v Speaker 2>myself as well as the team what project management can

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<v Speaker 2>look like. However, we know that we need someone to

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<v Speaker 2>almost like mentor us and guide us, give us some

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<v Speaker 2>type of experience and all of the things that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's where I am. I love my job, However,

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<v Speaker 2>I just need more a little bit more guidance from

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<v Speaker 2>someone else, so maybe working under someone rather than being

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<v Speaker 2>the senior.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So you have essentially like started to pivot

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<v Speaker 1>into an entirely new field. And what I like about

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<v Speaker 1>it is you made that happen for yourself, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you're realizing you like it. You want to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>this project management situation, yeah for a while, right, awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you get the job that you have?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a contract position, you said, so like part time?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, essentially it is is I got the position

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<v Speaker 2>because I know who I worked for, got so Another

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<v Speaker 2>barrier for me is actually, because I moved here for school,

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<v Speaker 2>my contexts are all mental health professional contexts. So a

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<v Speaker 2>part of using LinkedIn is finding people and also introducing

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<v Speaker 2>myself to essentially a whole fool of people that I

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<v Speaker 2>just generally don't know. So I'm the sole person that's

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<v Speaker 2>I guess responsible without with with minimal health.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you, let me get I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 1>at your LinkedIn profile. Can you send me a link?

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<v Speaker 1>You can put it in the chat right here. So

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<v Speaker 1>looking at your LinkedIn profile and I'm seeing some great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You have branded yourself as a project manager. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a great little headline under your picture, a CSM. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that related to mental health or to project management?

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<v Speaker 2>That certified square master?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I knew that I need? Yeah, what a weird word,

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<v Speaker 1>scrum master? Any right, you have your open to works Nalan.

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<v Speaker 1>Your picture is on point.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have done everything right. So what I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you to do. What I'm hearing is like, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>came from a mental health background in your contacts are

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<v Speaker 1>in the mental health world. I don't know that that

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<v Speaker 1>should hold you back as a hindrance. It's almost like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the companies they potentially work for, if they work for

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<v Speaker 1>a practice, you know, or some sort of institution, they

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<v Speaker 1>may have open project manager roles for you to join.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I wouldn't discount your existing network and

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely like stay in touch. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you, have you told them that you're

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<v Speaker 1>pivoting into project management and you may even need to

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<v Speaker 1>explain to them what it is because they may not

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<v Speaker 1>like they may not know how to help you. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you say, for example, like who would be the

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<v Speaker 1>person at their company for them to reach out to

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<v Speaker 1>to find out if there's any openings or opportunities if

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<v Speaker 1>you can direct them in that way, or if you

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<v Speaker 1>even know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, which, yeah, absolutely, I've had some profession professors

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to me, as well as some colleagues who

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<v Speaker 2>I actually do know some people who have pivoted from

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<v Speaker 2>mental health to project management. I was introduced by some

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<v Speaker 2>friends who who figured it out themselves, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of explained it to me, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. So I have reached out to some people,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not enough. So I guess it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like yes, and like those things do work. But then

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they just don't. So and I've been without work

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<v Speaker 2>for so long, I feel like I'm at my wits end,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like I almost need to be introduced to

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<v Speaker 2>someone like the exact hiring manager and like the I

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<v Speaker 2>need the process to be all of like one week

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<v Speaker 2>because like even even like going to networking things, those things,

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<v Speaker 2>those events are few and far in between. So if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to an event like every three weeks, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a three week waiting period that I still don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a job.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. Well when you say that you've been without

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<v Speaker 1>a job, the job that you have now, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're you are getting paid, right? Is it full time

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<v Speaker 1>or part time? Like is it just is it enough

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you afloat you know, financially?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. Yeah, and that ends me.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you have other work that you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I do things like uber eas door dash Uber,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my mom definitely helps me and is there

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<v Speaker 2>for me. But then another thing of like the whole

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm on a timeline, the quote unquote timeline that

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<v Speaker 2>we build for ourselves. I feel I'm about to be

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight and there are just responsibilities I should be.

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<v Speaker 1>The play for oh, don't should yourself to death. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna joke and be like, you're right, you really are.

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<v Speaker 1>You're almost past your due date, past your exportation date,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not. Don't should yourself to death. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel that sense of urgency and like you have

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<v Speaker 1>a right to feel impatient, because I mean I can

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<v Speaker 1>see from your your LinkedIn that it's not like you

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<v Speaker 1>are bright like bright eyed, bushy tailed right out of college.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like you're not twenty one twenty two. You

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<v Speaker 1>have some professional experience. The thing is like, you have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing the work that you want to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>for a year now, a year and three months. According

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<v Speaker 1>to LinkedIn, that's sometimes the hard part that people want

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<v Speaker 1>to skip over. But like getting the experience in the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you want to pivot into is almost the

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<v Speaker 1>hard hard part. Like, I think you've done the hard part.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a role doing the thing that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing. Now it's about the next step and

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<v Speaker 1>the next level up. Okay, So I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>feel good about that because a lot of the coaching

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<v Speaker 1>I do is often with people who are wanting to pivot,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're just like, wait, how do I get an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, where do I find it? So you've worked

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<v Speaker 1>your sources, you've gotten your foot in the door. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the networking event thing, I get that as well. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you could be doing is don't wait for those,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, networking events that come every once in a

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<v Speaker 1>blue moon. Reach out to the event organizers and just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in this event. However, I would love, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can hop on like a ten minute phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. You know, I'm in a crunch time right

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<v Speaker 1>now where I have been working as a contractor, and

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<v Speaker 1>just be honest and say I can't wait three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to someone right now and connect

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<v Speaker 1>with them in advance. You don't have to go by

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<v Speaker 1>their timeline or by their rules in that sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense right? Yeah, it absolutely does make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the type of advice I was looking for,

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<v Speaker 2>because sometimes we do kind of run out of options

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like I've been having my own thoughts and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm not even gonna lie. LinkedIn can be very

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<v Speaker 2>depressing sometimes, I know it, because it's on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the people who are getting laid off and

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<v Speaker 2>looking for work, and then on the other hand, you

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<v Speaker 2>have the person who is getting a new job and

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<v Speaker 2>they are getting promoted, and then I'm somewhere in between

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<v Speaker 2>that where I'm like, ah, where do I go? Where

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<v Speaker 2>do I fall?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're on your own path. That's why it

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<v Speaker 1>feels lonely there. You're just we're all on our own road.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I think that the mindset is so

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<v Speaker 1>important when it comes to like this is a crossroads

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<v Speaker 1>in your career. It's kind of it's meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>fraud and a little stressful. It's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a forever state though, Like I can talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>and just be like, you have so much going for you.

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<v Speaker 1>This will be the beginning of a new chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that anticipation of like when is it my turn?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, ba fam, you are listening to the b

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<v Speaker 1>a qa A. We are going to take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and be right back with more of your questions

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<v Speaker 1>and our answers. Okay, ba fan, we are back answering

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<v Speaker 1>more of your questions for the baqa Let's go. I

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<v Speaker 1>would actually I would prescribe you a little LinkedIn diet,

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<v Speaker 1>a little LinkedIn break. Maybe you're on there too, much

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<v Speaker 1>and instead like start reaching out if you haven't and

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<v Speaker 1>making like some real plans to connect with humans. So

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the networking events that you have been

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about going to finding the organizers. I did this

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<v Speaker 1>myself recently, like last week, I spoke at a conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I live in New York and there's this big working

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<v Speaker 1>women's like entrepreneurship conference that I saw in advertisement for

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, that's in March. It was

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<v Speaker 1>in March and thinks it was like early February at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and I was like, I'd love to speak there.

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<v Speaker 1>And typically I think the advice would be go to

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<v Speaker 1>the conference, you know, see what it's like, and then

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<v Speaker 1>pitch yourself as a speaker for next year. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't really got time to wait. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do this live. I want to do this

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<v Speaker 1>workshop that I've been working on live. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>went and found the organizers and blew up. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>blow up their DMS, but I just tracked them down. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy enough to find people's I found them on LinkedIn,

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<v Speaker 1>I found their ig page, sent them a little DM

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<v Speaker 1>S and them a little follow up, found their email address,

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<v Speaker 1>sent a little email there. Polite, polite, polite, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end up having to wait another year. They got

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<v Speaker 1>me on the speaker's list based on my pitch, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in February they put me on the roster and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like sweet. So sometimes that yeah, you want to you

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<v Speaker 1>just need to like put put yourself at the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the line and feel confident in doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially like

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying a lot of encouragement, because the job

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<v Speaker 2>seeking journey can be very disheartening. It can take blows

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<v Speaker 2>at your self esteem a lot. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it is reminding myself that I am worthy of these positions,

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<v Speaker 2>even yeah, even against the rejections that I get.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And I mean you made a good point

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<v Speaker 1>about like the weird dichotomy of like there is there

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<v Speaker 1>are excuse me, in some sectors there are layoffs happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Meta just announced another ten thousand people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting laid off. They already laid off ten thousand, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's just massive and it can feel like but that

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<v Speaker 1>also can affect the mood of hiring across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a situation where it's like what else

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<v Speaker 1>can I be doing? I think you're doing everything right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just about kind of riding this little dip. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a situation where maybe hiring managers are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be more like a little more cautious, like a

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<v Speaker 1>little less quick to hire, which is bad. Is not

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to hear when you're at this point

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<v Speaker 1>where you're ready for your next opportunity. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>at least you have to understand that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>things out of your control that could be also contributing

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<v Speaker 1>to why nothing has really stuck yet. Okay, so how

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<v Speaker 1>else can you put you in a space where you

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<v Speaker 1>can meet people who need a PM? Need project management?

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<v Speaker 1>What type of project management? For those who may don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know much about the space or just heard about

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<v Speaker 1>scrub Master and all that, What type of like and

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<v Speaker 1>what type of like day to day tasks are you

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<v Speaker 1>really good at? You know, at the place where you

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<v Speaker 1>are now, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely good. So overall, if you don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>a project manager is, not you the audience. It's basically

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<v Speaker 2>the accountability partner for the team. So along with having

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<v Speaker 2>CRM tools, planners, calendars, those type of things, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>person who's basically like, hey, you're supposed to be doing this. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a project that the do date is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have little small goals, little small tests that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do to be meet big milestones, and

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<v Speaker 2>some of those things can slip through the cracks because

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many people involved in the in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of accomplishing one thing. And so I'm the I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>person who's basically the string that holds everyone together and

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<v Speaker 2>reminding everyone, hey, you don't do this that impacts this

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<v Speaker 2>other person's job, and reminding everyone to be team players

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<v Speaker 2>and just holding people accountable. So I think my strong suit,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said earlier, is definitely relationship building because along

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<v Speaker 2>with reminding people, reminding can be a thin line of

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<v Speaker 2>reminding And what is the word I'm looking for when

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<v Speaker 2>you're micromanaging.

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<v Speaker 1>Your team as yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you keep a le motivated to get stuff done

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<v Speaker 1>and cut and like to check in on them without

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<v Speaker 1>making them feel micromanager? Watched?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And then so definitely the relationship building conflict management

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone doesn't always work well together, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 2>working with people who are normally a part of different teams.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're not your everyday person.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to stop you there because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you as I'm listening to you, and what

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<v Speaker 1>I love about this conversation is is like the light

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<v Speaker 1>starts to come on when I start to hear you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about your strengths. Change management seems like a really

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<v Speaker 1>excellent opportunity for you. So beyond just like project management,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, I'm looking for ways when I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 1>you to niche you down into like specialty, because what

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<v Speaker 1>can make you unique? And you're exactly right, like talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your mental health background and your relationships and even

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<v Speaker 1>you know, understanding your emotional EQ and like how you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to be a better project manager because you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can deal with personalities and understand like the psychology

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<v Speaker 1>behind it. That's what change management teams really are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tasked with. Are you familiar with that line of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Slightly? Yes, I've seen those within like my job search,

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<v Speaker 2>and what you just did is specifically why I've been

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<v Speaker 2>looking for not only people to network with, but mentorship

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<v Speaker 2>because going to school for something else you learn all

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<v Speaker 2>of the nuances around it, but finding out things on

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<v Speaker 2>your own, I'm basically on LinkedIn YouTube university because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>finding out all of the things without someone actually teaching

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<v Speaker 2>me those things. Yeah, so having someone there as like

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<v Speaker 2>a guide, That's kind of what I meant by working

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<v Speaker 2>under someone because they know a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 2>the field than I do. So sometimes you're searching for

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<v Speaker 2>something that you don't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Know no exactly, and how do you know what's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you even know what lines of work

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<v Speaker 1>are available to you if you're not just talking So

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<v Speaker 1>even just having this conversation, I'm glad that this has

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<v Speaker 1>you know, opened up potentially a new door, because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that makes so much sense. You know, change

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<v Speaker 1>management teams they are you know, often tasked with, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to overhaul the payroll system, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in a new we're going to move people to

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<v Speaker 1>a new office, or have these new policies in place.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's you know, it's a project to manage the

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<v Speaker 1>project that needs to get done, but it's also about okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we roll out the news. How do we

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<v Speaker 1>make sure people are excited about it and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get stressed about it. That's an excellent I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, And like, for you, I think it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>important not to be in a room with other project

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<v Speaker 1>managers or other you know, people doing exactly what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>but finding networking opportunities of professionals who, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>are decision makers, the hiring managers, the professionals who understand

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<v Speaker 1>where someone like you could fit into their organization. So

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<v Speaker 1>even in Atlanta, I mean, Atlanta is such a booming,

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<v Speaker 1>you know economy for businesses and small businesses, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>where are they hanging out? You know, are there organizations

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<v Speaker 1>like what is it called urban the Urban League? Urban

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<v Speaker 1>League is one there are I'm sure there's a thriving

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<v Speaker 1>you know SBA, a chamber of commerce that you could

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look to for events and not even to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the events, but to find names. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we find the names, find the email addresses and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look them up on LinkedIn and find people who have

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<v Speaker 1>the titles of jobs that you want and just be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an advocate for yourself, you know, informing those connections.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you'll they'll be impressed by you

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<v Speaker 1>taking your mental health background and understanding how there's those

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<v Speaker 1>that bridge into project management and even more so independentially

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<v Speaker 1>change management. You know, I could also see a path

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<v Speaker 1>for you in HR, which sometimes is like closely aligned

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<v Speaker 1>with or even does some of the work of change

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<v Speaker 1>management people, you know, uh, and going into that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of space too. That's that's also an opportunity for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you were a member of my coaching community.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I have people in my community who work

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<v Speaker 1>in exactly these fields, and I'll definitely go through the

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<v Speaker 1>list of Mandy money makers and see if I can

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<v Speaker 1>connect you with anyone, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, that's what happens. You met a new human.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm in a position to support you, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Okay, So I just feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>need like a little bit of a reset. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this sucks, it's taken a long time, but your opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>is around the corner. You just got to like feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way and just keep pushing.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that good feel good. Sometimes we just need

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of boost to like, Okay, I'm back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I do every day. You're so not alone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's one of the reasons I found in

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<v Speaker 1>my career coaching practice is because I was talking to women,

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<v Speaker 1>especially women of color during the pandemic, who were wanting

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<v Speaker 1>something new, and it's isolating because the Internet is nice

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<v Speaker 1>and there's all these resources and like you said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube and LinkedIn and articles on what to do and

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<v Speaker 1>how to do a job search, but it can feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're the only one. And then you graduate with

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<v Speaker 1>people and like they're off doing their thing and you

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<v Speaker 1>get on LinkedIn and it seems like people got stuff

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and it's really isolating if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that community of people that you can, you know, align

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<v Speaker 1>yourself with and feel like you're in the trenches together,

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<v Speaker 1>all sort of striving towards something better. So as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you can find community in a place where you

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<v Speaker 1>can feel supported, I would say that's going to help

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<v Speaker 1>you stave off this anxiety, this you know, t tick

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<v Speaker 1>in your head that's telling you that you should have,

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<v Speaker 1>should have, should have, should have, should have. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to ban that where it should From the from.

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<v Speaker 2>The vocab, I've heard that I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying, You're where you need to be. And and

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<v Speaker 1>again like, do not discount you have a year under

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<v Speaker 1>your belt of project management experience. They don't got to

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<v Speaker 1>know what's part time. They don't got to know all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that you wish you had that you don't have,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have a mentor, and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>bah blah. Just sell it, you know, tell that story,

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<v Speaker 1>Tell it? Okay, all right, Kivanya, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for letting me pour into you a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>talk your head off, and please keep me posted because

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<v Speaker 1>I do get quite invested with our BAQA listeners, so

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know more about your journey. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>stay in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, absolutely, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You're welcome. All right. I want to say thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much to Keivanya for joining us on the VAQA.

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