1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm an Aries and 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren folk Bomb, and today we're talking about not 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: a specific food in particular, but rather a system of eating. 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: A system of eating. Yes, three meals a day. Why 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: do we do that? Why? It's a well, there's a 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of reasons why. Um so in the US, and 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: I think most Western countries is three square meals a day. 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: That's the rule. That's it. Yep, that's it. And if 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: listeners you have a different eating frequency, um please write 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: in and let us know. From what I read online, 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: several countries have four meals, the fourth being a smaller 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: mid afternoon snacks, some kind of tea time almost kind 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: of kind of stick sharing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. Some 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: cultures do a big breakfast, some a big lunch. In 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: the US, I would say our big meal is dinner 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: or supper, depending what do you what word do you 17 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: use for that dinner? But my my family, my mother's 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: side of the family in Ohio would have said dinner 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: for lunch and supper for dinner. Really yeah, I think 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: we mostly used dinner, but supper also meant the same thing. 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: You could use either interchangeably. We'll be talking about that, 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: but you didn't use the word dinner for lunch. No, no, no, no, okay, yeah, 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: it meant the same meal. My mom was pretty Southern, 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: and she would say supper. I'm really bad at this 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: othern accent. So I'm glad that worked out. That did 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: that did Annie? Y'all couldn't see, But Annie just like 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: grew this gorgeous, amazing, feathered hat as she said that word. 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: I did. It's one of my many skills. Um And 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: I got to thinking about this recently when I was 30 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: anxiously waiting her six PM. Because I have strict rules. 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: Lunch is no earlier than noon, and dinner is no 32 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: earlier than six pm. In fact, people have commented on 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: this in the office because they'll hear my stomach making 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: so much sound like at eleven thirty, and they say, well, 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: why don't you come with us and get lunch, And 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, Nope, not until noon twelve pm, because otherwise 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: by the time six pm comes around, I'm gonna be 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: so hungry. But it sounds ridiculous already. This is one 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: of the reasons we're looking into it. Also, I eat 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: three meals a day. Hungry are not hungry? Three meals 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: a day. Um, and I started wondering if this routine, 42 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: if this was just routine based on my part, on 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: all of our parts, or if there's some general body 44 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: thing going on whereas like a certain amount of time 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: passes and this is generally when you should be hungry again. 46 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: So that's kind of why we're talking about this today. 47 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Do you snack in between meals at all? Do you 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: allow yourself snacks? Really? Oh my wow, that is a 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: big forbidden no snacks never see. I go about my 50 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: eating habits and either I either eat about two meals 51 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: a day, like a lunch and a dinner, with maybe 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: a snack in between, but maybe not. Or I just 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: graze throughout the day like an antelope on a safari. Yeah, 54 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: with with maybe like a main dinner meal. That's more 55 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: of a social function. But note three meals a day 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: was also a South Korean reality TV show about people 57 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: and guest celebrities using what they could grow, catch and 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: forage in a small fishing village to make three meals 59 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: a day, three days a week. Oh yeah, but yeah, 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: we're mostly we're mostly. It's the first thing that came 61 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: up what I googled it, and so I was just like, 62 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: I might as well include this. There we go. But yeah, 63 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: we're mostly talking today about Europe and North America in 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: this particular episode, because yes, it is fascinating to us 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: how ingrained this concept is. Yes, And if you stop 66 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: and think about how many things these meals influence breakfast, lunch, dinner, influences, weddings, dates, 67 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: work days, it's kind of bizarre when you think about 68 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: sort of the structure, yeah, of our days. It really is. 69 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: I spend most of my day thinking about the next meal. 70 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: Is not a good time a good way to spend 71 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: your days? I don't know. Uh. And while it's been 72 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: a hard and fast rule, those blasted millennials are moving 73 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: away from it, which equates to substantial gains and the 74 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: packaged stack market. In the US, fourteen point two percent 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: of Americans were eating five or more snacks a day, 76 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: and the largest consumer push seems to be high protein snacks. Yeah. Um, 77 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: more and more people are foregoing breakfast entirely about and 78 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: this snacking industry has excellent corporate terminology like core snacking, 79 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: macro snacks, macro snacks, micro snacks. I want to do 80 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: a whole thing just about this terminology. Yeah. Uh, and 81 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: for the McDonald's fact of the episode in a while, 82 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: but here's one. After launching all day Breakfast in Canada, 83 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: largely in response to request of millennial customers, the company 84 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: released the statement Canadians want to enjoy breakfast when they 85 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: want to, without the constraints of time. The attitude was 86 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: all me, this is how I read it. Um, if 87 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: we want fast food breakfast at ten pm, then gosh 88 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: nernets We're not gonna let your rules get in the way. 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: A and W came out with a similar stance in 90 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Canada that same year, the president saying the response was tremendous, 91 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: particularly from millennials, and we know that breakfast is something 92 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: Canadians don't limit to just the morning. I was so 93 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: excited when so many fast food places started saying breakfast 94 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: all day. Yes, because I don't go to them very often, 95 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: but when I do, and it's like eleven o'clock at night. 96 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to hash Brown, Sometimes you want to 97 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: hash Brown Man, sometimes you want to hash Brown m hmm. 98 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: We've all been there. Yeah. This is an etymology heavy 99 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: episode which I hope here is excited about as we 100 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: are first up and as a sort of clue to 101 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: how things are going to progress here. Let's talk about 102 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: the word meal. Yes, let's Before I dug into this research, 103 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: I had guessed that the times we eat meals and 104 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: the ground up grains meals, your your corn meals, your 105 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: oatmeals came from the same root and like indicated the 106 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: importance of these grains to our ancestors diets. Sure, but 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: they're actually from two totally different root words. The grain 108 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: meal comes from the proto Indo European root malee, meaning 109 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: a crush or grind, and this meaning has been around 110 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: sort of forever. Wow. The eating time meal didn't come 111 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: about until the twelve hundreds or so, twelve or so 112 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: from the pie root me meaning measure through the Germanic 113 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: slash Viking slash Frisian word meal, meaning a measure of 114 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: time or an appointed time. The twelve hundreds are when 115 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: this began to apply exclusively to first special occasions where 116 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: you gather and eat, and then to any eating occasion. 117 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: And a note from me, when Laurence said pie earlier, 118 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: it was not about the delicious baked desserts. Oh No, 119 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: that that's a that's an abbreviation for proto Indo European. 120 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure our listeners were probably totally on board and 121 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: knew that, but I was like, phi, wow, I didn't 122 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: know it had such roots and in our meal time, Yeah, 123 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: proto Indo European is a language that's lost, but but 124 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: that that seems to have branched out into both Germanic 125 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: and Latin languages. Yes, so I just wanted to clarify 126 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: and clays, there's any uh, pie lovers like me out 127 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: there that here pie just stop listening to anything else understandable. Yes, 128 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: and this may seem obvious, but this whole meal thing, 129 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: like three meals a day is kind of weird and 130 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: a natural when you think about it, as we're eating 131 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: at these specified times in the instead of when we're 132 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: hungry or Yeah, and clarification here is not bored, not bored, 133 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: but actually hungry, Yes, stomach growling, I am hungry. Yeah, yes, 134 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: low blood sugar, whole thing right, So why do we 135 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: do it? We'll get into that after a quick break 136 00:08:49,200 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 137 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: you sponsored, Yes, thank you. The short answer of where 138 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,359 Speaker 1: the three meals a day comes from is a combination 139 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: of industrialization, marketing always convenience, routine, and a touch of racism. 140 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Also always thanks history. Yeah, but let's let's unpack that 141 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. If we look at breakfast 142 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: in the scheme of things, it's relatively new. In ancient Rome, 143 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: it was tradition to eat one meal a day, typically 144 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: around lunch. Any more than that and people thought you 145 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: were a glutton goodness. One of the reasons this midday 146 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: meal was so big is light, as in daylight sun. 147 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: Before electricity, people got up earlier to make the most 148 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of the daylight, and the work back then was more physical, 149 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: meaning that by noon you were probably famished. Sometimes you'd 150 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: have a snack of bread and cheese called a either 151 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: or a noonshine, But generally is this one meal around 152 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: noontime that was it. Yeah, for added terminology bonus, this 153 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: middle of the meal day was called dinner, not lunch 154 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: or the Latin version of that, but it was technically 155 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: the first meal of the day. The word dinner is 156 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: rooted in the Latin for break ones fast, which forgive 157 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: my Latin pronunciation, it looks like deston are so dinner 158 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: originally meant breakfast and was eaten at lunchtime. I hope 159 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: you're not confused, because we guess even even wilder terminology 160 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: rise in a little bit um If we skip ad 161 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: to the Middle Ages, religion informed appropriate eating times in Europe. 162 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: No eating before morning mass you heathen, and no meat 163 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: for about half over the year. Historians think the word 164 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: breakfast first popped up around this time, meaning break the 165 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: nights fast. Religion also gave us the full English breakfast. 166 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: Just a little side side note for your refrigeration. The 167 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: day before Lent, you're going to eat up your pork. 168 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people have pigs and your eggs. Again, 169 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: no refrigeration can't tell chickens to stuff laying eggs. Though 170 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: in its earliest form it was probably probably the English 171 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: lunch or dinner. Although it's a quick side note about eggs. Um. 172 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: When you don't wash eggs industrially the way that we 173 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: do here in the United States, you don't have to 174 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: refrigerate them. We and a few other countries make farms 175 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: wash eggs, which prevents potential spread of salmonella, but also 176 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: washes away this protective oil or wax on the eggs 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: shell that would act as a preservative. Yeah, that's why 178 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: people from other countries keep their eggs out, and we 179 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: look at them like they're weird, and they look at 180 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: us like we're weird. Yeah. The first time I went 181 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: to Europe, I was like, what is this? Is this madness? 182 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand. Don't they realize all of their eggs 183 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: are out? But now I know. Now I'm enlightened to 184 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: the way of the egg rich folks of the time 185 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: have these huge, incredibly over the top lavish dinners, which 186 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: again was still around noontime because artificial light hadn't been 187 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: invented yet, called senas. Around this time circa the fourteenth 188 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: century CE, and with the advent of breakfast, dinner shifted 189 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: to mean the day's main meal, still as in Roman times, 190 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: get served around midday. Also around then, an evening meal 191 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: came to be called supper alone, from the French super 192 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: meaning the same thing, and probably coming from the word sup. 193 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, meaning broth, which roots from the Germanic 194 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: sup meaning to sip. Oh. And obviously that's where soup 195 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: probably came from. I say, obviously, but who knows? It 196 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: seems likely that is where it came from. I believe 197 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: you're correct, yes, but we won't know for sure until 198 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: we get around to that soup episode. In the meantime, 199 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: we're going back to the seventeenth century. By then, breakfast 200 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: was pretty commonplace in Europe, especially with the rich who 201 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: started building breakfast rooms. Of course, um, as we touched 202 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: on in our brunch episode, hunting parties catapulted breakfast to 203 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: new heights. For the aristocracy, huge meals, sometimes twenty four courses, 204 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot of it meat, yes, saw a shocking amount 205 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: of it meat yeah. For the non wealthy, breakfast typically 206 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: consisted of leftovers from the previous lunch dinner. What have 207 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: you meal? Um, mush, bread, cheese, anything that needed to 208 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: be eaten up. Before the European settlers arrived to the 209 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: America's indigenous people's eight when they were hungry, the arriving 210 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: columnists pointed to that as further reason the indigenous people's 211 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: were inferior in their minds, because they quote grazed like 212 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: animals do. Um. That was the recounting accounting um from 213 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: an English settler, as opposed to sticking to meal time 214 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: boundaries like civilized folks. Um, cheese, no corsets, and no 215 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: meal times. What are these people up? They're just living 216 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: their lives without these boundaries. I don't understand um. And 217 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: though Europeans mocked Native Americans for their eating habits and 218 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: might snidely call them gluttons, anthropologist at the time Louis 219 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Morgan attested that Native Americans ate only about a fifth 220 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: of what colonists did, so they were eating less even 221 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: though they were eating more, eating more frequently. Bonus answer 222 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: to another question I've always wondered. Seventeen fifties, Colonial Americans 223 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: widely adopted meat for breakfast, meaning that people generally ate 224 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: meat at every meal at the time, two or three meals, 225 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: depending on whether or not you added in the later 226 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: in the day snack. Breakfast recipes of the time included 227 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: fried veal, liver, spare ribs, meat, loaf, duck, turkey, ragou. 228 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Meat became such an integral part of the meal that, 229 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: according to one observer, a breakfast without such an addition 230 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: is considered as scarcely worth eating. Who I've wondered that 231 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: for a long time. When did it become like a 232 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: meal is not complete without meats trimes? I think we're 233 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: moving away from that, but I feel like that was 234 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: a very big thing from my parents generation. There was 235 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: always meat involved. Oh absolutely, yeah, uh and meat as 236 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: part of breakfast was an even bigger thing when eating out, 237 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: especially in the South. Well, one quote I found from 238 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: an Englishman advised advised in stopping for breakfast in the 239 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: Southern States, you must never calculate on a detention of 240 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: less than two hours, as your entertainers will prepare dishes 241 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: of meat or poultry for you. And I read another 242 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: account traveler stopping in Kentucky in a tavern and hoping 243 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: to get a quick breakfast of coffee. He specifically ordered 244 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: only coffee because it needed to be quick, but at 245 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: the insistence of the matron, birds were caught, feathers plucked, 246 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: birds were roasted, hampan fried, bread baked, and he was 247 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: there for two hours. Times have changed in the US. Man. 248 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, breakfast is like whatever, yeah, yeah, whatever you 249 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: can grab from either your counter or I guess like 250 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: pilfer from Starbucks on your way into your office. Yeah 251 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, it's what you can find and eat 252 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: while moving. I will not eat my yogurt with a spoon. 253 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: I shall only drink it from foy. It is that is, 254 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: that is what we were promised in this future. We 255 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: don't have ho her boards, but we have drinkable yogurt. 256 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: I guess it's a kind of a success, sort of 257 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: sort of actually really hate drinkable yogurt. Yeah, it's it's 258 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: not for everyone, that's for sure. And speaking of the future, 259 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: after the Industrial Revolution and the introduction of the nine 260 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: to five work day, a midday meal a k you're 261 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: a lunch hour at work, the very beginnings of it um, 262 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: which now had to be a quick, casual usually handheld 263 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: thing um. And then you had the end of work 264 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: day meal at home, and so it was a home 265 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: cooked meal with your family a k A. Dinner. The 266 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: family dinner specifically became the norm breakfast before you leave work. 267 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: This rigid meal schedule traveled with European settlers to the 268 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: New World, and with the introduction of artificial light, dinner 269 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: as in the big midday meal, shifted to later and 270 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: later in the day, probably after work, after you got 271 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: home from work. For a while, Sunday held onto the 272 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: traditional noontime dinner a k A the precursor to Sunday brunch, 273 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: and in the UK Sunday roast is still a thing. 274 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: So I hear um. As the world urbanized, mass produced 275 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: food became a necessity. There wasn't room for everyone to 276 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: have a garden or their own livestock. Some people didn't 277 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: even have kitchens. More terminology madness. The word lunch wasn't 278 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: used at all until the nineteenth century. It may have 279 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: come from an old Anglo Saxon word nuncheon, which denoted 280 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: a quick to go type snack between meals and the 281 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: seventeen century like a sandwich, perhaps allegedly invented by the 282 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: Earl of Sandwich in the sev fifties so we could 283 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: eat with one hand. Or it could be derived from nunch, 284 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: a word that referred to a big chunk of bread 285 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: in the sixteenth and seventeenth century. Either one mysteries mysteries 286 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: of history. Industrialization increased the amount of wheat in the 287 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: American day it since it was now easier to produce 288 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: a higher quality, cheaper product. From eighteen thirty to eighteen fifty, 289 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: the wheat consumption of the average American went up by 290 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: twenty pounds per year. Yeah, the meat to wheat ratio flipped, 291 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of the sweet breakfast breads we eat 292 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: now became more popular as a way to start your day. Then, 293 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the twenty century, we get John 294 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: cog Yes said John and corn flakes, um, Edward Burneys 295 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: and bacon. As we talked about in the Bacon episode 296 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: that the marketing push for breakfast is the most important 297 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: meal of the day in the twenties, nine, twenties and 298 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: thirties to get people to buy more bacon and other 299 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: breakfast foods. That always makes me think of the quote 300 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: from Rest of Development. What I always say is the 301 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: most important thing breakfast And then he's like, no family, 302 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: and George Michael says, oh, I thought you're talking about 303 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: the things that we eat anyway, this is me. Breakfast 304 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: took a hit during World Wars too, But once the 305 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: war was over and things like the toaster, sliced bread 306 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: and instant coffee became commonplace, breakfast came back in a 307 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: big way. Another thing about the Industrial Revolution, jobs went 308 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: from being mostly outdoors active physical to mostly indoors sedentary. 309 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: People didn't change their food intake to reflect this change, however, 310 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: especially when it came to breakfast. Doctors started sounding the 311 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: alarm in the US after patient complaint of indigestion grew 312 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: to a really must have been high high level because 313 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: it was called a national case of indigestion. Wow. Um. 314 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: And that's when the idea of a lighter breakfast came in, 315 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: which Kellogg capitalized on. And yeah, it just took off 316 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: from there. And another thing, we can't leave the television 317 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: out of the conversation. Not only has a way to 318 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: advertise foods, but as key and perpetuating this idea of 319 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: the family. Movies television commercials often featured this idea of 320 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: the family meal. According to the BBC article about this, 321 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: I was reading, the family dinner is on the decline, 322 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: and this decline began in the first microwave meal. Huh yeah. Yeah. 323 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: The lighter breakfast thing is still trending, although these days 324 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: breakfast cereals and other staples like orange juice are trending 325 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: way down, like down in the past couple decades, in 326 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: favor of other carb based products supplemented with a heavy 327 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: dose of protein, like like all those breakfast sandwiches and 328 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: avocado toasts and protein bars and yogurt drinks. Yep, that 329 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: makes sense. So that's pretty much why we have the 330 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: three meals a day. It's routine and work day, I 331 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: would say industrialization routine work day. But we are sort 332 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: of moving away from it. I have a lot of 333 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: friends that's still only eat they eat three meals a 334 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: data matter what, no matter what. Yeah, And I've got 335 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: a lot of friends who alternately have tried all kinds 336 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: of different different diet plans, like specifically because they have 337 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: they promised weight loss or or exercise results based on 338 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: eating more meals a day but smaller or or the 339 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: intermitute fasting thing. And we're going to get into a 340 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: tiny bit sign that after one more quick break for 341 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsoring, Yes, 342 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: thank you. So you asked earlier Annie, if if maybe 343 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: like there was a certain like like rhythm in our bodies, 344 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: like you know these this three times in a day 345 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: that we're primed to eat. Yeah, this amount of time 346 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: passes it. This is when you should be hungry. Well, 347 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: And it certainly is true that through your digestive system, 348 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: you're your food moves about it about six to eight 349 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: hour intervals or so, that's about how long it takes 350 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: for for food to pass from your throat through you know, 351 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: your butt and depending depending on what you've got going on, 352 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: and uh so, having meals and about six to eight 353 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: hour intervals certainly does make a certain amount of sense, 354 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: But whether or not eating three meals a day is 355 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: good for you is one of those things that without 356 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: without doing a whole episode's worth of research on, is 357 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: best summed up as our bodies are complicated and more 358 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: research needs to be done. The food stuff motto and y'all, 359 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: you've you've been calling for a fasting slash ketogenic diet episode, 360 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: and we hear you. It is on the list that 361 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: is not the section right now? Yes, yes, from what 362 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: I read throughout the years and also specifically for this episode, 363 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: kind of like brief over you, it doesn't seem to 364 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: matter at least current research suggests it doesn't seem to 365 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: matter at all. How often you eat six meals a 366 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: day versus three a day of the same calorie account, 367 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: you're going to see the same results generally. Um. There 368 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: is some evidence that eating too close to bedtimes, say 369 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: within an hour two, will spike your blood sugar and insulin, 370 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: which can lower your melatonin, which can make it harder 371 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: to sleep. Um. But there is extremely weak evidence that 372 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: breakfast is that most important meal of the day. There 373 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: are lots of studies that have concluded all kinds of 374 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: things about breakfast fighting obesity and risk of heart disease. 375 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: But reviews of these studies unfortunately show that they've been 376 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: pretty heavily biased in their interpretations of their data and 377 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: even misleading in their language about their data. Thus, like overstating, 378 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: they're already kind of shaky conclusions. So what's going on here? Oh? 379 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: Would you believe me if I said financial conflict of interest? 380 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, could not be. It's got to be something else. 381 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: It's never happened in the food industry before. Perhaps it's aliens. 382 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh. Major breakfast food industry players like 383 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: Kelloggs and Quaker Oats help fund a lot of these studies, 384 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: and while a biased funding source does not necessarily mean 385 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: that the resulting research will be biased, it's certainly something 386 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: to take into consideration. Absolutely, But that doesn't cover the 387 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: other part of the breakfast debate, whether you need it 388 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: for good smart thought power. Oh man, my mom was 389 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: such a believer in that. That's why I love the 390 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: big test days because she would make like a big 391 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: breakfast was the best, like bacon and eggs and toast 392 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: with butter, strawberries, orange juice of fresh squeeze. It was 393 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: the best. Oh my goodness, anyway, I interrupted your scientific thing. No, no, no, 394 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: that I mean that that would certainly at least have 395 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: a psychological effect of like I'm willing to get up 396 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: and go now. I was pumped. I was like, oh 397 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: crc t D breakfast. Back back on the science side, 398 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: that the problem with research in this area because because 399 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: it does tend to some research does tend to show that, 400 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, having students eating breakfast leads to better uh 401 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: scholastic results. But the problem with research in this area 402 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: is that a lot of it is done with students 403 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: and school breakfast programs, and unfortunately it fails to consider 404 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: the students food security at home. Because you have to 405 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: keep in mind that that sadly, twelve to fifteen percent 406 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: of American households are food insecure, meaning that they do 407 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: not have access to food enough access to food for 408 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: all of their household members to live in active and 409 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle. So if you're not considering what kids ate 410 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: for dinner the previous night, or whether they were able 411 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: to eat dinner at all, you really can't the impact 412 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: that eating breakfast at school has on their academic performance 413 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: and their weight profile. Right, which brings us to. Really, 414 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the main point in the is breakfast healthy? Are three 415 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: meals a day necessary? Kind of question being that if 416 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: you're hungry in the morning, or you know, if if 417 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: you'll feel dull or sluggish, sure jittery, if you don't eat, 418 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: you you should eat, and furthermore you should be able 419 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: to eat. But but hunger is a separate episode for sure. 420 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: I mean, also, you know, be careful of fasting because 421 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 1: fasting when you're hungry can lead to over eating later. 422 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: So do you watch out for that You could be 423 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: protecting yourself from from over eating later in the day. 424 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: Annie with your with your very strict breakfast rule. But yeah, 425 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you're just not hungry in the morning, 426 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: don't force yourself. And if you're looking for a particular 427 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: weight or fat change and you're fasting in the morning 428 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: because of that, and you also really want our our 429 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: take on that, stay tuned, yeah for another episode, not 430 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: this one, But basically, pay attention to your body, not 431 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: just your cravings, but also how you feel after you 432 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: eat or do not eat, and keep a journal if 433 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: you think that would help. Try to eat some proteins 434 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: and fruit or vegetables and like bits of fats and 435 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: grains at all your meals, or maybe balance those things 436 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: throughout the day through stacking. Hydrate, always hydrate, and you'll 437 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: take care of yourselves. Okay, yeah, please do because you're 438 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: all lovely you are. It's so that so much of 439 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: the science are the recommendations we get um from these studies. 440 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: They're just ubiquitous that eat breakfast everywhere. If you want 441 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: to lose weight, eat eat breakfast, and that's it's just 442 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: really personal, is the problem. And these studies are are 443 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: frequently small, and like I said earlier, there's frequently various 444 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: rigorosity issues with them. And so you know, I paid, 445 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: I know, I know it's a less sexy answer. I 446 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: know it's so much nicer to just be told, like, 447 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: do this thing and it will work. It is, but 448 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't work for everybody, And so it's actually kind 449 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: of a good thing in the long run, because I 450 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: feel like I know, I and and lots of other 451 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: people that I know, get so frustrated about not being 452 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: able to achieve whatever a body type or or results 453 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: that they're looking for through these things that they're told 454 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: will work or even are sold to work, and it's 455 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: it's not always like that. No, yeah, I mean it's 456 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: annoying too when you have a friend doing one thing 457 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: and you're doing the same thing and it's it's not 458 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: working for you. But that yeah, that is good. And 459 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: I personally have used a food journal before and I 460 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: found it really helpful. So um, anyway, that is why 461 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: we have three emails a day and a little bit 462 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: of the science about eat eating them like that. Yeah. Yeah, 463 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and we will. There's so much there. We given ourselves 464 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: quite the task, but we will tackle it. We shall 465 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: in the future. Maybe maybe we can get one of 466 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: those fancy science experts on here. But oh yeah, that 467 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: would that'd be great, so good. Yes, but this brings 468 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: us to listen. Yeah, yes, never know, never know, I 469 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: was going to go, Sarah wrote, I was listening to 470 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: your Kale podcast and was horrified all caps that you 471 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: didn't mention my number one best fun trivia fact and 472 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: needed to immediately email you about it. I once read that, 473 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: prior to Pizza Hut was the largest commercial purchaser of 474 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Kale because they used it to decorate the salad bars 475 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: in their restaurants. I haven't been able to find any 476 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: hard evidence to prove this fact, but I did send 477 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: it into NPRS podcast Ask Me Another, where they did 478 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: a little research and featured it with my name. That 479 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: was one of my proudest moments. So if you read 480 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: this in a listener mail, it will be the second 481 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: time this fact has gutten my name into a podcast 482 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: I love, and this will be another of my proudest moments. Well, 483 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: here you go there, gratulation, there's balloons and confetti. Word. 484 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: Sorry you're not here to see it streamers. Yeah, but 485 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: I have heard that fact before, and when she emailed, 486 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, I totally forgot 487 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: about that. Um, I believe it. I believe that if 488 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: it's not true, it is at least plausibly within the 489 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: realm true, right right? Or that, or that it might 490 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: have been true for one particular point in history. There's 491 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: this intersecting graph in my head between like like kale 492 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: consumption and pizza hut salad bar conception. I want to 493 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: see this graph in real life. They must they must 494 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: cross at some point. Now. Now, kale is probably a 495 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: kale salad at pizza hud. I bet you there is 496 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: good there has to be at the salad bar. It's 497 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: come so far off of the bar into the bar. Congratulation, 498 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: you made it, You made it. Kale Alyssa wrote, I'm 499 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: currently listening to the bonus episode for Salt. I've seen 500 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: Susie cheff Field Salts on a couple different websites and 501 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: in magazines and always wondered about the person and company 502 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: who makes such fantastic and whimsical products. I also own 503 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: a small business and dream of making it to the 504 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: level beautiful Brianie c has success. Wise, I make candles, which, 505 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: while not edible, listening to the interview, I realized Susie's 506 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: method of coming up with Blend's is similar to how 507 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: I've come up with a couple of my own signature 508 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: sense if you're interested in my company is called twenty 509 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: two in Maine. Many of them are also food related 510 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: and have fun names too. I always feel awkward to 511 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: talking at my business, but the interview was a great 512 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: kick in the pants as far as inspiration. That's great 513 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, oh yeah, thank you for writing a Melyssa. 514 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: If if you guys, I don't know if you guys 515 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: make cool stuff, let us know. Oh yeah, absolutely a 516 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: lot of you make cool stuff. Yeah, yet not that 517 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: you don't already, Oh sure, sure, yeah, just let us 518 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: know about it, and uh yeah, we love hearing all 519 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: the stuff you're working on, food related or nuts. Um, 520 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: please please email us. You can do so at food 521 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: stuff at how staff works dot com. We're also on 522 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: social media. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter. 523 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: We're there at food stuff hs W and on Instagram 524 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: at food Stuff. We hope to hear from you. Thank 525 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: you so much to our super producer, Dylan Fagin. Tip 526 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: of the hat, sir. Thanks to you for listening, and 527 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your 528 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: way