WEBVTT - Licking the Iceberg (feat. JP Brammer) 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.880 Oh no. Our producer Phoebe is saying that Phoebe was 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:07.920 hit on this weekend by straight Man and it is 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.840 still viscerally haunting me. Oh my god, I'm so sorry 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:20.279 that happened to you by you by mood like, no, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.800 we're gonna get sued again. We need to stop singing, babe, 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.800 just we numbers like as your friend, as your friend, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.880 like you to stop, and I'm not. This is the 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.080 part of the show where I would be singing the 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.320 Sailor Moon themes an intro to this episode. He's gonna 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.480 include this thing. But but Fran and our producer Phoebe 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.479 are both giving me death stairs as I attempt to 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.880 sing the Sailor Moon themes. You're not getting it because 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.640 art isn't being appreciated. Art should be censored, just like 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:57.560 Sailor Man and um. But today we are talking about 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.040 anime with J. P. Brammer, because this is like a 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.200 Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's fakes. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.600 I'm Rose damn you, and I'm Fran Toronto. Today. Our 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.520 guest is JP Brammer, a good Judy of ours, incredible 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.120 author of the advice column Ola Poppy, which also is 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:22.280 a book Amazing Visual Artists expert et truly the person 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.039 in my phone who absolutely knows the most about anime 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.560 um so thank god we have him here to pop 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.959 our cherries kinda and tell us what pokemon we are. Yes, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.880 I was just watching a TikTok where this person was 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.520 talking about how they have multiple fan fiction accounts and 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.960 on one of them they faked their own death so 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:57.280 they wouldn't have to keep updating a story queen, which 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.880 I love. Like, that's the level of like boredom I 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.520 get to where I've picked up a hobby or something. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.480 I don't want to do this anymore and would love 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:07.960 to be able to fake my own death to get 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.640 out of it. Like if I could fake my own 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.520 death to get out of doing this podcast, it's only 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.560 a matter of time before you do. Oh wait, speaking 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.560 of faking your own death, do you know what I 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.360 did this Friday? Friday? I went and saw the national 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.480 tour of Wicked, the musical The Untold Story of the 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.280 Witches of Oz. I saw it at the seracer strum 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.919 Um Center for the Arts in Coasta, Mesa, from California. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.400 My friend said, L O L. Look the Wicked National 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.760 tour is coming to sort of near l A. And 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.280 I like texted back a screenshot of the receipt of 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.480 me having bought the tickets. You know, it was like 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.720 you thought you were you were joking. No, this is 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.480 this is happening, Baba. No, it's never a joke when 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.000 it comes to Wicked with you. So it took two 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.919 hours each way to get there. God, and we had 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.880 reservations to go to dinner at this place which had 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.800 a Wicked themed cocktail came with little witch hots. We 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.400 asked the waiter. He's like, I don't know, it's like 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.560 something witchy. Was it called the Wickedly Talented Adele disease? 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.240 Doesn't know it was not, unfortunately, um, but we like, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.760 this is so humiliating. We were late for the show. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:26.079 It took so long to get in. I never and 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.360 Fran you know how I feel about lateness and about 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.960 being on time. Rose is the most punctual girl you 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.960 have ever met, And like, this is the thing. The 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.600 whole trauma around being late for me and why I'm 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.720 so dramatically early to everything is that I grew up 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.560 with parents who were always late, and I hated being 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.280 late for things, and so it conditioned me to always 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.040 want to be early. So now when I'm forced into 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.840 a scenario in which I am late against my will, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.160 I am furious. And then okay, so then the show 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.240 starts at seventh pty and like by the time we 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.760 actually get to the door to go in the theater, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:10.040 like our door to enter, it's only seven. And most plays, 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.760 you know, I would say, there's a couple of minute 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:17.279 grace period, but we get we get upstairs. Yeah, plays 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.640 do not start exactly on. Ushers have no grace you this. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.640 Ushers are the most judgmental people on the planet. And 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.560 let me tell you, I used to be an usher. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.200 Did you know this? I did not know that. My 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.760 my mom used to take me and my family like 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.880 all the time. We would be volunteer ushers for Chicago's 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:42.440 production of Blue Man Group. And we because my mom 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.720 loved Blue Man Group, loved and what so did we 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.760 ask the family and so it was like this Blue 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.360 Man Group path her like moral check checklists. Yeah, I suppose, so, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.640 I mean there are some you know, it feels a 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.440 little satanic, because it's a little satanic for sure. Also, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.680 like those those Blue Men, we're fucking each other with 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.760 their Blue Dick sucking the house down boots, but like, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.159 should we do a Blue Man Group episode? And no, no, no, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.560 we shouldn't we. Sorry, I'm overwriting. There's nothing to discuss 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.120 about that show other than the fact that we were 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.159 required to wear white button downs and black slacks which 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.840 we bought from Coals, which makes no sense because we 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.960 were too cheap to afford actual Bluemn tickets. I'm pretty 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.120 sure we went back and slab Bluemen Group as a 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:31.120 family as ushers for free, like six times. Um. Well, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:38.320 this performance of Wicked the Musical was mostly okay. You know, 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.400 it's a touring production, so everything's a little jan kie. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.840 It was performed at about one point five time speed, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.919 like they really wanted to get through the show. The 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.120 performances were like buried across the board. Glinda was fine, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.920 Fierro was very good and very hot. Alphaba was kind 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:02.240 of a snooze until no good Deed which she ate 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:08.640 or Madam Morrible fucking sucked. Yeah. Oh, actually, the girl 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.760 who was Nesta Rose was great and it reminded me 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.360 that I really hope we get an extended edition of Wicked. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.760 Witch of the East in the movie, which TBD on 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.679 whether or not that ever actually happens. Well, I didn't 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.760 have as eventful of a weekend as you did. Um 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.480 you went to go see wid I went to Mexico 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.599 to hang out at a gay nude beach, and the 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.320 last day of my vacation, my phone completely died. And 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.560 you know now I'm phoneless and well, I'm hungover from 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.440 food poisoning as well. I woke up three am with 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.839 violent food poisoning. But at least I have got a 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.760 great hand. You know, it could cure your food poisoning, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.440 or at least make you feel better. The New Florence 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.359 in the Machine song King, which I have you listened to? 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.680 You yet? Know that in Mexico zero like no service, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.520 very bad WiFi for most of the trips. So I'm 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.960 very gratefully out of touch with reality. Unfortunately, did make 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.240 me miss some New Florence. Did you like the song? 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.919 I love it, It's so good. I I don't know 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.520 if we've talked about her at length on this podcast before, 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.080 but I am a Florence in the Machine stand and 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.200 I am so happy that mother has returned. Although she 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.680 in the song says she's not a mother, She's not 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.560 a Bride She's King, which period amazing song, such a 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:28.440 good video like video is very clearly referencing Hereditary meets 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.920 Suspiria with like a hocus Pocus look, like she's literally 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.400 wearing Sarah Jessica Parker's look from hocus Pocus. She's back. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.920 She's booked at a bunch of festivals this summer. Does 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.480 that mean an album is coming? Yeah, an album's coming. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.800 You know that. I don't go see live music, but 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.520 I absolutely will be going to see her because I've 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:51.239 seen her now for every era and she's the only 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.320 artist that I actually feel like I need to see 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:59.200 in concert because the live experience is transcendent. Possibly because 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:03.000 the the first time I ever did acid was out 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.520 of Florence the Machine concert. But yeah, I love her. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.560 I have like a very intense spiritual connection to Florence, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.119 and I'm so excited for new music. I'm a huge 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.720 Florence fan. I only I saw her once at as 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:24.200 the only homosexual and at a concert in Indianapolis, and 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.600 I remember it was on the fourth of July and 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.960 she qued fireworks to go off right at the second 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:38.640 Bridge um over. It was incredible her so much I'll 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.000 go and listen to King watch the video. Okay, I'll 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.200 watch this video. Also a video that you missed is um, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.000 do you know who Analyn McCord is? Yes, speaking of mothers? 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.880 I did, unfortunately see this. Okay, so this is a analyne. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.560 McCord is an actress who I really only know from 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.880 the short lived nine to Want Oh reboot along with 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.839 all of us that came out post Gossip Girl. So 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.320 cut for context. I don't know if all of you 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.120 listening to this note, but there's a war happening right now, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.240 which I think is a topic that this podcast will 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.680 not dive into. Absolutely not qualified to him any meaningful 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.760 commentary on it, is deeply unfunny, is deepitely not something 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.000 to commentate on, especially from people in America that have 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.200 no experience in foreign affairs reporting. But one thing I 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.200 do feel comfortable commenting on it is Annelyine McCord's video 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.280 about how she wishes she were Vladimir Putin's mother so 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.079 that she would have loved him enough that he never 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.960 would have invaded Ukraine, which I think was a really 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.280 great lesson to everyone else who will now bear witness 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.880 to a literal war that we just we don't need 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.360 anybody's too say, we don't need takes. Like I'm just 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.800 waiting for all of the fashion influencers to who I followed, 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.560 to be like, let's put together an out to go 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.760 fight World War three. You know. Like there's this girl 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.240 I follow who I don't know if this is your algorithm. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.800 Her name is Sammy. She's this British girl and her 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.760 thing is she goes, let's get dressed, and then she 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.839 proceeds to put together these like kind of ugly outfits, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.880 but like they're very expensive, and she has like literally 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.760 every designer handbag that's ever been made, and she has 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.480 reached this point of like ubiquity that my mom, who's 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.599 on TikTok, was like, do you do you do you 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.840 follow the let's get dressed girl? And I was like, yeah, obviously, mom, Okay, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.559 it has to be set. The fact that Pangina was eliminated, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:45.480 I babe, not Manilla Hydra and should be scared for 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:51.200 her life life. Oh my god, I'm so worried. I 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.320 truly don't think we have ever seen a queen react 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.040 to being eliminated like Pangina did, because like that's the thing. 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.160 Not only were we all gooped and gagged, but like 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.320 usually the queens are able to pull it together enough 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.240 to leave the stage with Grace. Not Pangina, because she 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.120 did not think she was going home. She thought she 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.400 was making it to the end. And when she was 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:19.280 talking about her country and how like apologizing for shaming 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.960 them devastating. They have to bring her back. They have 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.319 to bring her back. I will say, the most haunting 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.720 exit from drag Race since sobbing off stage as they're 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.360 all there and I'm sure there's so much more sobbing 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.920 that was cut, Like I'm sure like part of that 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:42.000 is like editing. No, No, I don't think. I don't 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.360 think they would have left it. I think they turned 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.720 they turned her mike up one of the producers in 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.679 the back, like bump, bump, Pangina. That was ugly crying. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.640 That was not ugly crying. That's like me in my 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.920 car between the Taco bell, Haywin dough and the window 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.360 where you get your food, ugly crying, hoping that neither 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.400 of the people can hear me. I have never like 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:12.479 seen Rue so genuinely shocked. I've never seen Michelle express 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.280 empathy in that way before. I've never seen like a 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.440 queen that's so deserved to be there, Like it was 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:25.320 such an absolute miscalculation on Blues part. Like I'm trying 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.680 to figure out, like how to decipher like the difference 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:32.040 between like what Naomi Smalls did to Manila and what 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.040 is happening here. But it's the same thing. It's they 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.679 want to win the only they're actually playing the game. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.920 They want to take out the competition. The slight difference, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.120 honestly is that you need to stick the landing. Because 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.640 Naomi got on that next episode, she goes, yeah, I 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 did it, like what she was kind of serving and 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.559 that I do see a scenario in which Blue is like, 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.600 oh my god, I didn't know. I feel so bad 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.679 that I bet he regrets. It's so hard. I mean, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.679 I guess we'll find out this one. I also want 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:07.400 to know the other queen, who's whose lipstick they had. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.480 I think Baga also eliminated Panchina, which is why it 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.600 was such a twist because I felt that Baga won 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.280 that lip sync personally, and I fucking hate Baga, Like 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:21.640 I disgusting to be eliminated. She should be eliminated on 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.920 get that Baga off the screen. I'm not of not 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.480 watching that a lazy, talentless piece of ship. No, she's 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.400 not talentless. Like her snatch game was phenomen but like she, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.520 I felt she won. This was it. Though I thought 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.679 it was kind of boring, I think that it was. 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.719 It was all very like the same thing. I mean, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.319 a snatch game is like over time and time again 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.360 completely And I didn't laughing her. I I giggled. I 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.160 felt that she did the best out of the group. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.160 And I felt that Baga, even though her style of 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.679 lip syncing is so lazy like drunk woman and at 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.840 a bar in Manchester or whatever, it still was wildly 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.319 or entertaining than whatever the funk Blue did. And I 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.439 thought they were both. They were both horrible. That's that's 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.719 what I should say, is they're both horrible. But I felt, well, 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.839 that's I think what was gonna eliminate was going to 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.760 eliminate Pangina, So for Blue to eliminate just I wonder 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.920 if like the bad lip syncing on UK versus the 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.960 World is like somewhat a product of like not having 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.160 the fear of being sent home in you to make 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.560 you do better. But then again, the lip syncs on 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.200 regular Drag Race where they could be going home. Have 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:47.240 not been great either, Yeah, they really have not. Thank 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.680 you for being here today. I am so happy to 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.120 be here. Above being a content creator, I am a 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.800 content consumer. So I'm very excited to discuss some anime 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.760 with you today. Yes, because you know, last mer I 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.840 texted you and said, I really want to get more 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.120 into anime. What should I watch? And what did you 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.720 tell me? Um? Well, I said Hunter x Hunter. I 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:15.120 said full mettal Alchemist. I said Avatar, which it's hotly 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.920 debated if that's anime or not. You know, purists will say, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.840 purists will say it's not. Um but anime is kind 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.400 of a state of mind at the end of the day. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.400 So if you feel like it's anime, it's anime. Um 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.800 And I remember telling you to stick with Avatar because 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.200 you're like, this is for children. Yeah, the first couple 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.480 of episodes, the first couple episodes are a little rough 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.200 and like very childish, and then it just gets so 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.600 real and so good, very adult fast. Yeah, very quickly. Yes, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:47.080 But but ultimately you told me to watch Neon Genesis 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.960 Evan Gillian and I did watch. I did, and really 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.400 liked it. It's you know, like a show about huge 0:15:54.480 --> 0:16:00.000 robots that take over the planet. Yeah, and it's very gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.800 it's the premise give us a t LDR, My god, 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.640 the premise, okay, as if you could give a t 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.640 LDR any any like large scale anime that has the 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.840 most intricate lots ever. M Evan Gelian follows the journey 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.360 of Shinji, who is a young boy living in what's 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.520 called Tokyo three. So something called Second Impact has already 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.480 happened and wiped out half of humanity. The remainder of 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:24.400 humanity is sort of living underground in Tokyo three, and 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.920 Shinji gets selected by his father to pilot an ava 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.840 or an Evan Gelian, and this is something that is 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.720 meant to fight off these things called aliens that for 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.480 some reason are attacking Tokyo three. No one's quite sure why. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.000 But a select few kids, all selected from the same class, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.320 by the way, so these are all like potential pilots, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.920 were put into a school together. Um, a few are 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.320 selected to pilot to the avas, and the ava's have 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.960 to fight off the angels. And there's a whole lot 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.200 of lore going on behind it, but I think at 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.200 its core it's sort of about Shinji really not wanting 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.240 to pilot this robot and his dad being like pilot 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.960 the robot. And it's just one season, right, yes, and 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:10.520 there are movies afterwards. So when Shinji like joins the 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.200 whole scenario, there are already some pilots of these robots 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.760 and it's they it seems to be really difficult to 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.160 pilot the robots. Yes, it is not fun pilot, which 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.960 is kind of like seems goes against I think what 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.280 a lot of us would assume as kids is like 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.600 all you want to do is control a giant robot exactly. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.800 I think that my favorite animals sort of trouble the 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.720 power trip fantasy, so like being you should be able 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.520 to do this thing and wield this power and it 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.520 should be so much fun, but their complications and their restrictions. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.200 Um Hunter Hunter, my favorite anime of all time, does 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.680 that as well. But in Ava sort of like who 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.600 doesn't want to pilot a huge robot? And they look 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.440 really cool, I mean they look chic, their fears looking 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.359 like they yeah blens Way for sure. No, just I 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.720 feel like, um, I want to know more actually about 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.720 like the place that this like that this kind of 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.360 culture object found you, Like when did you first start 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:11.480 watching it? Why? Um, like when you like, what was 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.160 your kind of first impression? Like Rose and Eild virgins 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.199 to it. I think that we were saying, like, you know, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.840 you you power through those first three episodes and like 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.640 you get into the world, like what was your kind 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.800 of first impression first? So I read this YouTube comment 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.800 that rang true to me, which is the more depressed 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.200 you are when you find Evangelian, the more you will 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.919 enjoy it. I think that it is a very moody anime. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.240 It is I think at its core about loneliness and 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.439 about feelings of isolation. It's got this sort of like 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:45.040 apocalyptic but at the same time disaffected kind of thing 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.440 going on around it. The coolest girl in anime ever, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.600 she's so cool. She really embodies the vibe of the 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.240 whole thing, Like she's really cool, she's sexy, she's capable. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.760 She never quite panics or freaks out, even though there's 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.800 these giant creatures attack King, and so the apocalypse sort 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.000 of becomes mundane and even yeah, they're very nonchalant to that, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.639 like they're living in this bunker after this huge explosion 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.000 has taken half of humanity out and mist is sort 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.439 of just this hyper competent, sexy general kind of woman, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.359 and she's like, I gotta fight these angels today, gotta 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.000 fight these monsters before they wipe out humanity, and she's 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.640 just sort of about it. Which I happened to watch 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.960 this anime before I guess the world really started falling apart, 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.800 But I think it's gaining more resonance with me now 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.520 because the apocalypse does feel rather mundane at times, or 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.919 like everything is falling apart, everything is apocalyptic every day 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.840 and we're just still going about our little chores and 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.040 going about our little lives. And you know, she's just 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.879 a sort of like, you know, I love beer, I 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.240 love taking weekends off, and I'm really good at fighting 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.960 these aliens. Um. But I watched it about I want 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.720 to say, twenty seventeen. I was a new Ish to 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.720 New York still and really feeling that isolation of being 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.040 surrounded by a lot of people, not really knowing everyone. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.959 You know, that classic you're on the subway, people are 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.359 all around you and you feel anonymized by the city. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.119 It's just like that very cliche, you know, but so 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.600 so real. And I think that evan Gelian is kind 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.120 of about that feeling of just like, wait a minute, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.720 I'm alone in this world. Um, it's very isolating. It's 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.280 very like in Evangelian Um for those who haven't watched it, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.919 they have this concept, which I love, called an absolute 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:30.280 terror field. Okay, that's just my life. So literally, in 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.080 the world of Evangelian the absolute terror field is the 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.800 thing that makes you an individual. It is your fear 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.280 of connecting with another person intimately that collects and holds 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.040 you as a person that you can't quite merge seamlessly 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.320 with another human beings. So it's a literal force field. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.200 The Angels have them, and they're more literal like their 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.800 actual force field, so if you try shooting them with missiles, 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.679 the absolute terror field will kind of protect them. But 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.760 it works that way with humans too, because the goal 0:20:56.840 --> 0:21:00.679 of evan Gelian is the Human Instrumentality Project, which is 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.080 meant to turn all of humanity into one superorganism. So 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.440 they're all gonna lose their individuality and they're going to 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.119 join into a blobby, hive mind kind of thing and 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:10.960 it will be bliss and everyone will be reunited with 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.080 everyone else, and that no one will ever be lonely again. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.800 That's sort of the idea behind human instrumentality. Meanwhile, everything 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.359 is very depressing and isolating and desolate. Can you have 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.440 your absolute terror field around you keeping anyone else from 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.399 being able to breach the wall so to speak. Um, So, 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.160 all those things going on, I think that they're quite 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:33.239 easily turned into metaphors for depression, for loneliness, and I 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.480 think Evangelian speaks to you the most if you're feeling 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.040 that at the time. Okay, maybe I should try watching 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.640 it again. Job, let me tell you I am depressed. Yeah, 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.800 I feel I love that. I mean, there, I think 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:51.120 it's so funny, consuming dystopian uh content of any kind. Um, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.120 But like I never would have thought how you said 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:57.960 it so succinctially of like that feeling how unfortunately relatable 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.640 it is to be like, oh, I'm in an important 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.000 character in a movie about the end of the world, 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.560 you know what I mean. And but like within the 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:10.040 show of Evangelion, like it's almost like the mundanity translates 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.000 to something that is like so much more. Um. Yeah, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.560 I love that. But I feel like when I watch 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.719 like even like watching Hunger Games or like Handmaids, I'm 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.720 trying to think of like other dystopian fiction that we're 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:23.359 consuming now where it's like, oh yeah, you first reading, 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.760 you're like, oh that's so funny, that's so out of 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:26.760 this world, and then you're like, oh no, yeah, that's 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:31.320 kind of happening now. Yeah, squid Games not too far 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.879 from reality. It's happening. Would you do if you were 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.720 in the Hunger Games? Would you volunteer? Do you think 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.439 you could survive? Um? I think, unfortunately, what if I 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.720 was just like an avid consumer of the TV show, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.520 like when they like televise it like the games get 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.119 to watch. That's the that's the part that everyone forgets 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.560 about the Hunger Games is that there's a huge aspect 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.120 of it which is about reality TV UM, and it's 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.600 like for entertainment purposes. I think I sadly like, well, no, 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.679 because I don't watch Survivor, So I don't know if 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:02.600 I would be into the Hunger Games, Like what if 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.280