WEBVTT - The Legends of Lost Nazi Gold 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:03.400 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.480 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.680 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.640 Jerry somewhere. We lost her. I think she wandered off. Yeah, 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.239 but this is stuff you should know, regardless the Lost 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:30.920 Nazi Gold edition, the Legend of Curly's Gold. If Curly 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.680 was a white nationalist, well, who's to say it wasn't. 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.120 I don't, I don't know. He Jack Palance seems like 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.920 the kind who would have beat up white nationalists for fun, 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.520 as like a hobby, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.640 you know, we we can't get into the super ins 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.360 and outs, but as you know, my brother worked on 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.080 the Legend of Curly's Gold and Jack Jack Vallence was 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.960 a tough s o b Yeah. I hear. He used 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.880 to do shots of nails. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.400 a jerk. I wouldn't say, but it just sounded like 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.720 he was just sort of a a very cantankerous old 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.720 fella to work with. That's so funny, man, because I mean, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.920 if you're at the end of the day, he's an actor. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.800 It's not like you you welld machine guns or something 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.360 like that. Give me a break. You're an actor. Yeah, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.200 Like Clint Eatwood is not really tough. Well, actually that's 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:27.280 not true, is he. Oh sure, probably he's got he's 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.200 got to be at the very least, he's been acting 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.560 like it's so long he's developed. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.039 like a callous you know what I mean, where it's 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.920 just kind of forms and stays like callous. It's the 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.640 callousness of toughness that an actor will form. I don't 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.720 think Clint Eastwood winds about a hang nail. Let's just 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.800 say that, like like we do, would be pretty disappointing. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.840 I actually was whining about a hang nailed to myself 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.320 the other day. Of course, but I'm not an actor. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.560 I'm a podcaster. No, we have a TV show that 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:03.000 proves that I'm speaking for both of us. Ouch. I 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.320 thought I did some good work. I thought you did 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.080 a better job than night. And actually I think we 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.760 both did a much better job than you remember. All Right, So, um, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.480 if you hate Nazis and you're like it's been a 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.919 while since I was given a reason to hate Nazis, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.040 a new one, uh, rejoice, because we're about to give 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.200 you another one. At least I didn't really realize this 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.320 to this extent, did you. You know? I knew about 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.960 Nazi gold and that they took things, but I didn't 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.519 know that it was almost one big people killing and 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:41.040 world robbing operation. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the new 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.960 thing to hate them for. Not only were they murderers, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.519 they were also just common thieves as well. I mean, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.760 thieves on one of the greatest scales anyone's ever seen, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.919 but thieves nonetheless. Um an exceptional thief. Who was that 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:01.720 Michael Caine, no die Hard, They called him a common thief, 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:10.880 and he goes, exceptional thief, right, Rodney, you imagine. Oh, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.160 I can't wait till technology gets like advanced enough that 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.000 you can just insert whoever into whatever character and they'll 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.200 say the same lines and everything. Uh, that'd be great. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.959 That's the first one I'm doing, is Rodney Deserfield is 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.640 Hans Gruber. He would have been wonderful. That scene where 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.440 he uh, he's fooling him into thinking he was one 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.239 of the party goers and he goes, what's your name? 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.600 It's Bill Clay, That's what it is. Don't shoot me. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.600 Come on, nobody shoots me, I got no respect. That's 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.840 pretty good, Pretty good, okay. So, um, the Nazis were thieves, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.800 not just because they looted and plundered like the countries 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.880 that they occupied, but that they did it because they 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.880 were broke to start off with. That's what truly makes 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:04.600 them thieve s o b s. Is that their whole jam, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.000 this whole war, World War that they started, they didn't 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:13.920 have the resources financially or industrially to actually carry out 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.000 this war. They had to go steal to fund their 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.160 role in World War two, which they started. That's right, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.560 they you point out here you put this together good 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.480 stuff than that. In nineteen three they had hyper inflation 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.000 such that in November of that year it cost eighty 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.000 billion marks to buy a loaf of bread. Is that right? Yeah, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.280 which sounds like a lot on its own, but if 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.560 you consider that earlier that year, in January, a loaf 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.760 of bread costs two d and fifty marks. Yeah, so 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.039 the price of bread went from two hundred fifty marks 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.440 to eighty billion marks in less than a year. But 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.200 isn't that just a way of saying that nobody bought bread? No, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.120 it meant it's a way of saying that their money 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.560 was totally worthless. Remember it happened in Zimbabwe. I can't 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.640 remember what episode it was, maybe how much money is 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.880 there in the world. We talked about hyper inflation that 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.880 was staggering, it was stagreeing. And the same thing happened 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.000 in the Weimar Republic. And this is the state of 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.960 the German economy that the Nazis rose to power and 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.120 because you know, that's one of the reasons they were 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.240 able to rise to power and fascism was able to 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.160 take over because the country and the economy was in 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.560 such dire straits that this idea of like, hey, everybody, 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.160 get in line behind this guy, because he's going to 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.200 lead us out of it. That's how That's essentially one 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.279 way that Hitler and the Nazis were able to rise 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.880 to power. But that also means that he inherited a 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.400 terrible economy and he had to figure out what to do. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.760 Not only a terrible economy took but they Germany lacks 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.880 natural resources that you would need to fund to to 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:51.640 start a war machine too. Yeah, they they have no oil. No, 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.440 they don't have mineral deposits that you can make really 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:59.760 fine metals out of. They've got saur kraud, they have sour. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.120 They have a lot of beer too, and there to 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.400 their credit. But you know, if that's all you got, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.920 you need more to fight a war with. Yeah, So 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.039 what happened was they um. They had what was called 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.840 the reichs Mark, which was the monetary unit of the 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:20.159 Third Reich. And there were five neutral countries that declare 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:21.960 during World War two like we're not going to trade 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:26.360 in reiks Marks. So Hitler and Germany said, well, you 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.160 know what's always valuable anywhere is gold, and let's start 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.840 taking it from anywhere and everywhere we can get it. Yeah, 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.520 and gold in particular, it's what's called um, a very 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.599 fungible commodity, Like you can you can trade just about 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.640 anything for gold. Right. If you have gold, people will 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.800 give you whatever you want. You can use to buy oil, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.919 you can use it buy guns, you can use it 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.920 to fund terrorism, you can use it to back your 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.320 own currency. There's a lot of stuff you can do 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.640 with gold. But in particular in World War two, if 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.600 you were the third the Nazi regime, you needed to 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:07.400 use gold because these neutral countries couldn't accept reich marks 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:12.480 by agreement. But also the Reich reichs Marks were worthless anyway, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.000 so if you wanted to buy a bunch of guns, 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.760 you needed some gold. And because Germany at the time 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.560 only had about twenty five tons of gold in its reserves, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.360 which sounds like a lot, but as we'll see, is 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.720 a paltry amount of gold compared to what they looted 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:34.720 and pillaged and took. Um, they needed some golden. So yeah, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.040 they started looting it. And the first place they turned 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.040 chuck was Austria. Yeah, how much gold did you say 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.960 they had? They had five metric from what I understand, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.640 twenty five metric tons of gold in the reserve Germany 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.040 did at the outset of um World War two. All right, well, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.840 this will drive home how much that is. They looted 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:59.280 fifteen tons just ten tons less from the citizens Jewish 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:04.240 citizens a Vienna, Austria, from from the capital city only. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.280 They looted fifteen tons of gold from Jewish citizens, just citizens, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.800 like you said, oh yeah, and that's um, those are 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.840 just people. So the Central Bank of Austria they got 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.440 a hundred tons of gold, so right there, four times 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.160 what they had in reserve. And then they said, hey, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.440 you know that six tons of gold that you're trying 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.960 to send away to England to keep safe from us. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.080 We're bring that back here to we want that. Yeah, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.600 they did so just from Austria alone, they got a 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:38.600 hundred and uh what twenty one tons, yes, to add 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.439 to their existing twenty five tons. It was a huge deal. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.760 That kicks started the Nazi war machine into high gear. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.280 It was a big coup. Austria wasn't expecting it. No 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.960 one was expecting it, and so other countries in Europe 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.040 suddenly like gulped and they were like, we need to 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.000 we needed to take this as advanced warning. Basically, we 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.280 don't want to become like Austria. And they triggered chuck 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:08.720 the largest physical transfer of wealth that the the world, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:13.000 the planet has ever seen. Yeah, because I didn't know this, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.640 And it's kind of cool that, um, you know, countries 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.920 that are are friendly to one another will help each 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.400 other out like this. You can say, hey us, you've 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.240 got Fort Knox there. I've heard that's a pretty safe 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.560 place to keep gold. Um where England? So can we 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.240 send you a bunch of that to keep for us? 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.360 And just you know, uh, we'll make a receipt out 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.440 so we know how much there is and you promised 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.839 not to spend any of it. And the the US 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.920 and Canada UM early on at least did things like this. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.840 They accepted huge gold shipments. There was a operation in 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.840 nineteen forty called Project Fish where the UK was sending 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.320 or Britain was sending fift hundred metric metric tons of 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.680 gold UH to the US to store in Fort Knox. Yeah, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.400 and in two thousand nineteen dollars. The amount that they 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.120 sent on slow boats through the Atlantic, which by the way, 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:08.240 we're infested with U boats by ninety was worth a 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:14.240 hundred and sixties six billion dollars in today's dollars. Yeah. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.240 Not one of those ships was sunk astoundingly and that 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:23.880 nuts we so UM they they sent so Britain sent 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.559 that metric tons. Russia They're like, we're just gonna take 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.400 care of ourselves. They evacuated a bunch of stuff from 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:37.400 UM their stockpiles. They sent twenty eight hundred tons of 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.199 gold from its banks to a location in the Ural 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.640 Mountains for safe keeping. They also sent two other national 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:50.040 treasures to the embalmed corpse of Nikolai Lennon and UM 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.760 artwork from the Hermitage Museum those three, those were the 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.760 three things they prized the most too, to transferred by 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.560 train to the Ural mountains to stash until the war 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.240 was over. So all told, if you want to add 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.560 it up, during the course of World War two, the 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.400 Nazis stole at least that we know of four hundred 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:14.079 million American dollars in gold from countries they occupied, and 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.240 another hundred and forty million dollars in gold from people, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:23.160 largely Um Jewish people, from their homes, people that it 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.800 were imprisoned in concentration camps. They stole. It was a 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.880 very meticulous thing that they did. They would raid their homes. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.760 They wouldn't just round people up, They would go to 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.400 their safety deposit boxes. They would rip their dental fillings 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.079 out of their teeth, such that it even got the 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.880 name tooth golds on gold Um and not that. Didn't 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.800 you know, that covered everything that they stole from people, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.480 not just the gold from teeth. That covered people's wedding 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.800 rings and their jewelry and their parts of eyeglasses and 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.520 other things like that. It's just unbelievable how much gold 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.320 they looted from concentration camp victims. Yeah, especially when you 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.600 step back and look at it like that Germany really 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.199 needed the money, the Third Reich needed the money. They 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.480 were just robbing, robbing and murdering, that's what they were doing. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.640 You know. It really kind of puts it into perspective more. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.920 I mean, the Nazis were the worst, dude, and still are. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.839 Nazis are the worst. So most of that gold that 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.600 was stolen um from occupied countries. UM. I didn't see 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.080 how many tons it was, but what'd you say? Generally 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.480 the figure I've seen is about five six hundred million 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.600 dollars in nineteen forties dollars um stolen, and most of 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.760 it was put into the reichs Bank, which is Germany's 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.440 central bank. UM kind of like it's federal reserve, and 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.720 there are different branches throughout the country, and you know, 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.839 the gold was kind of distributed here there, but um, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.920 as as the war kind of moved on, it was 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.320 moved more and more into the central reichs Bank in 0:12:55.559 --> 0:13:00.200 Berlin until ninety and there was a bombing raid on 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.040 Berlin on Germany and they said, we need to get 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.040 this gold out of here and into secret locations. And 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.000 so the gold from the reichs Bank UM hundreds of 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.720 millions today, billions and billions worth of dollars worth of 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:20.080 gold was moved to places where no one had any idea, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:25.080 secret locations that weren't banks in Germany. Yeah, so this 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.760 would set off um. I mean people are still looking 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.880 for Nazi gold today, and and not just walking around 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.120 with the metal detector, but people are some people are 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.000 putting a lot of money into looking for Nazi gold. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.000 And one of the big reasons is a like you 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.079 just said, they we know that they moved it at 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:46.840 some point and be in April, there were some military 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:51.040 police uh patrolling around the town of Merkers. They questioned 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.280 a couple of French women who had been displaced and 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.880 they said in French, I would imagine that they saw 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.240 gold being stored in a potest mine near the town, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.400 and the piece said soccer blue, I mean holy Cow. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.400 And the army investigates this and they found the us 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.520 It's famous now the Mrkers Mind Treasure, which was a 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.400 horde of gold that was a room covered in seven 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.400 thousand marked bags of gold coins, gold bars, gold jewelry 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.600 valued at about two hundred and thirty eight million dollars. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.800 So this was a signal to everyone like wow, the 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.800 legend of Curly's gold is real. Yeah, yeah, because this 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.240 is only about half the money. So uh, let's let's 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.440 get our metal detectors out. Yeah. I mean, this idea 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:45.080 that the Nazis hid gold in mine chats are all 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.880 sorts of different places was proven by that Mrker's Mind Treasure, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.640 that they did this and there were substantial amounts to 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.320 be found. That was two hundred and thirty eight million 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.520 dollars worth, but they stole five hundred to six hundred 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.960 million dollars worth, which means that there is a substant 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.480 antial amount of gold unaccounted for, and that is what 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.160 has fueled treasure hunters to look for what today would 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.480 be billions of dollars worth of gold that was lost 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.240 and scattered and spread after World War Two. And I say, Chuck, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.400 I have a proposal for you. I bet I know 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.520 what it is. Ye, what kind of what's your favorite 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:28.320 kind of pie? Oh? I really love a key lime. 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.560 Yeah it's hard not to go with key lime, Okay, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.320 but what about just like a standard traditional fruit pie. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.560 They're really tough to beat, like a good cherry pie. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.760 If I'm going fruit pie, it's gonna be an apple 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.120 crumble for sure. Okay. I used to be in that 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:49.800 same group with you until you had the sweetest cherry pie. Yeah, Warrant. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.520 Warrant talked to me into trying, and I loved it. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.080 Cherry pie is actually as good as the song makes 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:01.000 it sound. Wow, all right, we'll be right back, Okay. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.880 I want to learn about a rosicl how to take 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.120 a perfect with all about fractal getting kiscon n the 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.960 Lizzie Border murders that they kind of all runs on 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:24.520 the plane, everything that we should know. Squard up jerry 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.520 cheese much cherry pie. Yeah, I've tried it with cheese, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.680 like they say, but it's not very good. I think 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.320 that's typically apple pie that's supposed to have cheese on it. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.640 So it's just like straight cherry pie. Cherry pie. Uh, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.200 cool drink of water, it's a sweet surprise. Yep. I've 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.160 tried it with the cool drink of water too. It's good. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.280 It's better with just water than say, like coke, because 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.600 coke's sweet taste competes with the sweetness of the cherry pie. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.960 So they're they're pretty much right on, except for the cheese. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.400 They say it'll make a grown man cry. I'm here 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.960 to tell you that's the truth. Oh boy, that song 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.359 and that video so dumb but also very titillating for 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.960 a very young Chuck. You know, um, have you seen 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.920 the Rush documentary? Oh? Sure, did you know that Sebastian 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.280 Bach from skid Row? It was skid Row, right, he 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.879 was well Warrant saying cherry Pie. But yeah, okay, but 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.080 like it's just a huge leap from skid Row to Warrant. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:28.240 Give me a break. But Sebastian Bach was from Warrant, right, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.280 Uh no, no, no, he was skid Row. Oh that's 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.440 what I mean. Yeah, Warrant was Janie Lane mistaken? Yeah, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.840 you're right, man, you got it. The poor man's Bret Michaels. Yeah, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.280 in a way so and sorry, Janey. I I really 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.359 didn't mean that, but I couldn't leave it. Um the 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.320 the But Sebastian Bach from skid Row is one of 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.960 the greatest and longest standing Rush fans of all time. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.960 That's right. He was all over that, Yeah, I think 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.439 he was. He joined their fan club in like seventh 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.240 or eighth grade, he said, and I loved it. Right now, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.520 somewhere Brett Michaels is walking around playing that on repeat 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.000 to his family. Did you hear that? Did you hear 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.600 what Josh said? He thinks I'm better than the skid 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:14.200 mo guy? No, you mean warrant. It doesn't matter, all right. So, um, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.399 we're talking about Nazi gold. And we were saying before 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.720 we started talking about warrant and everything that, um, that 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.960 there is gold that is on accounted for that was 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.040 stolen by the Nazis that just kind of vaporized after 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.240 the war. Goal is not supposed to do that. It's 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:30.960 one of the things that people love about gold is 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.000 it doesn't just vaporize into thin air. It's really easy 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.479 to keep track of if you want to. And so 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:41.439 people started looking for gold or looking for clues. And 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.280 one of the big clues that people started following was 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.840 local rumors and legends. Like in Murkers, there were plenty 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.560 of rumors and legends that there was gold hidden in 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:58.320 a mind nearby exactly and they so the people people 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.600 hearing local legends is really kind of fueled hunt for 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:08.520 hunts for Nazi treasures for almost a century now. Yeah, So, um, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.280 we're gonna go through a bunch of these. There's one 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.280 called Lake Toplets, Uh, like it's a very lovely place. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.240 I'm sure you looked up pictures, um. But people and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.080 treasure hunters have been looking for this golden Lake Toplets 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.679 ever since uh. And this was very much fact A 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.760 bunch of Nazis retreated there in the Austrian Alps in 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.360 the final months of the war. US troops were closing 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:35.400 in fast and Germany was about to collapse, and so 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.960 they transported a bunch of boxes to this lake military 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.840 military vehicles and then horse drawn wagons even and they 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.720 dumped them in the lake. So I think that part 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.960 is definitely true, right, there's yes, from what I could tell, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.480 it was reported on like that is in fact what 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:00.000 was in the boxes? What's up for for debate exactly. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.560 Some people say that's the Nazi gold about five and 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.720 a half billion dollars worth. Other people said, um, no, 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.160 I think some of this stuff are documents, um where 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:16.320 they uh, they were basically confiscated from Jewish victims, about 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.240 where their assets were hidden and what Swiss bank accounts 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.040 they could loot. Maybe I saw, and I saw also artwork. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.120 Sure they think that was sealed artwork. Um. Also there's 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.600 a rumor that there's three hundred pounds of morphine in 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:37.200 in those boxes. That was contributed by I think Albania's 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.200 president Um because he didn't want it to fall into 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.560 the hands of the Allies. Well, one thing they know 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:47.800 was down there, because they actually found some of these 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.440 three was Hitler had the idea at one point, Hey, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:58.760 let's sabotage various countries by creating counterfeit money of those countries. Yeah, 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.520 it's a pretty smart plan for a dirty Nazi I know. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:07.040 So they created, um just hundreds of million dollars worth 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.359 of British pound notes and in nineteen eighty three a 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.520 German biologists by accident discovered a lot of these British 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.639 pounds in the lake. What did we talk about that 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.720 and like how counterfeiting works. Maybe maybe it does sound 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.600 familiar though for sure, we definitely talked about that plan. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.640 And remember there was like a a Jewish printer who 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.160 was a Holocaust um prisoner, a prisoner of a concentration camp. 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.199 We can't remember which one, who turned out to be 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:40.240 like this master counterfeitter. Yeah, like because the Nazis trained 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.080 him to her forced them to it was, if I 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.480 remember correctly, it was our counterfeiting episode. Yeah, And in 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.080 nineteen fifty nine. I talked about the nineteen eighty three fine, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:52.159 but in fifty nine, uh, they recovered seven hundred million 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.600 pounds of these counterfeit notes from that lake. So some 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.720 people say that's all that was down there. Um, other 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.239 will say there may still be gold down there, And 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:07.160 Austria actually still to this day has a problem about 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.120 tin divers a year illegally dive in that lake looking 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.640 for that treasure. Yeah, and what's interesting about this lake 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.760 aside from the fact that there might be Nazi treasure 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.240 in it, which is interesting enough to make the lake 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.040 remarkable and noteworthy, but in addition to that, this lake 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.680 has a kind of a strange hydrology, and that the 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.439 top half of it is freshwater the bottom half of 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.479 salt water, and they're separated by density. And in the 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.520 middle of these two layers is a like a layer 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.520 of floating layer of ancient logs that have fallen in 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.359 the lake and been preserved over time. And so you 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.640 can only dive so far before you hit this layer 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.040 of logs. And some divers, I think five divers have 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.399 at least have died in this lake looking for Nazi gold, 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.600 and at least one of them got tangled up in 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.399 this layer of logs. It's a really dangerous place to dive. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.320 But the fact that you can't really see past this 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:05.120 layer of logs is one of the things that keeps 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.240 people coming back and keeps this legend alive because they 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.080 can't thoroughly search this lake and show conclusively, no, there's 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.920 no gold here. Leave this place alone, stay away. Amazing. 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.520 It is pretty amazing. And then the other thing about 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.840 it too is this is a really remote location that 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.560 was used by Nazi officers, high ranking Nazi officers, and 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.639 for missile testing. It seems like a really odd place 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:35.680 just to dump counterfeit pound notes. Yeah, like you could 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.680 dump those just about anywhere, So I don't know, maybe 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.920 there is something to it. You're gonna get your Skiba 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.640 gear ready. I got my flippers on already. You can't see, 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:49.120 but I've got them on alright. We're gonna move now 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.760 to um an eastern German town along the check border 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:58.280 called Deutsche Catherinenburg. It's it sort of looks like the 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.480 alphabet when it's on a on a page. It's a 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:04.119 lot of letters in a row. But there are people 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:08.160 there that think, not only is there gold here, but uh, 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:13.680 possibly the amber room, which was this. You just look 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.560