1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan over there, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Jerry somewhere. We lost her. I think she wandered off. Yeah, 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: but this is stuff you should know, regardless the Lost 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Nazi Gold edition, the Legend of Curly's Gold. If Curly 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: was a white nationalist, well, who's to say it wasn't. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. He Jack Palance seems like 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: the kind who would have beat up white nationalists for fun, 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: as like a hobby, you know what I mean. Yeah, 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, we we can't get into the super ins 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: and outs, but as you know, my brother worked on 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: the Legend of Curly's Gold and Jack Jack Vallence was 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: a tough s o b Yeah. I hear. He used 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: to do shots of nails. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: a jerk. I wouldn't say, but it just sounded like 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: he was just sort of a a very cantankerous old 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: fella to work with. That's so funny, man, because I mean, 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: if you're at the end of the day, he's an actor. 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: It's not like you you welld machine guns or something 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: like that. Give me a break. You're an actor. Yeah, 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Like Clint Eatwood is not really tough. Well, actually that's 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: not true, is he. Oh sure, probably he's got he's 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: got to be at the very least, he's been acting 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: like it's so long he's developed. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: like a callous you know what I mean, where it's 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: just kind of forms and stays like callous. It's the 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: callousness of toughness that an actor will form. I don't 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: think Clint Eastwood winds about a hang nail. Let's just 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: say that, like like we do, would be pretty disappointing. 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: I actually was whining about a hang nailed to myself 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: the other day. Of course, but I'm not an actor. 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm a podcaster. No, we have a TV show that 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: proves that I'm speaking for both of us. Ouch. I 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: thought I did some good work. I thought you did 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: a better job than night. And actually I think we 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: both did a much better job than you remember. All Right, So, um, 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: if you hate Nazis and you're like it's been a 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: while since I was given a reason to hate Nazis, 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: a new one, uh, rejoice, because we're about to give 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: you another one. At least I didn't really realize this 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: to this extent, did you. You know? I knew about 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Nazi gold and that they took things, but I didn't 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: know that it was almost one big people killing and 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: world robbing operation. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the new 46 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: thing to hate them for. Not only were they murderers, 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: they were also just common thieves as well. I mean, 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: thieves on one of the greatest scales anyone's ever seen, 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: but thieves nonetheless. Um an exceptional thief. Who was that 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Michael Caine, no die Hard, They called him a common thief, 51 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: and he goes, exceptional thief, right, Rodney, you imagine. Oh, 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait till technology gets like advanced enough that 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: you can just insert whoever into whatever character and they'll 54 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: say the same lines and everything. Uh, that'd be great. 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: That's the first one I'm doing, is Rodney Deserfield is 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: Hans Gruber. He would have been wonderful. That scene where 57 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: he uh, he's fooling him into thinking he was one 58 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: of the party goers and he goes, what's your name? 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: It's Bill Clay, That's what it is. Don't shoot me. 60 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: Come on, nobody shoots me, I got no respect. That's 61 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: pretty good, Pretty good, okay. So, um, the Nazis were thieves, 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: not just because they looted and plundered like the countries 63 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: that they occupied, but that they did it because they 64 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: were broke to start off with. That's what truly makes 65 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: them thieve s o b s. Is that their whole jam, 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: this whole war, World War that they started, they didn't 67 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: have the resources financially or industrially to actually carry out 68 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: this war. They had to go steal to fund their 69 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: role in World War two, which they started. That's right, 70 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: they you point out here you put this together good 71 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: stuff than that. In nineteen three they had hyper inflation 72 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: such that in November of that year it cost eighty 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: billion marks to buy a loaf of bread. Is that right? Yeah, 74 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: which sounds like a lot on its own, but if 75 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: you consider that earlier that year, in January, a loaf 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: of bread costs two d and fifty marks. Yeah, so 77 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: the price of bread went from two hundred fifty marks 78 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: to eighty billion marks in less than a year. But 79 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: isn't that just a way of saying that nobody bought bread? No, 80 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: it meant it's a way of saying that their money 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: was totally worthless. Remember it happened in Zimbabwe. I can't 82 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: remember what episode it was, maybe how much money is 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: there in the world. We talked about hyper inflation that 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: was staggering, it was stagreeing. And the same thing happened 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: in the Weimar Republic. And this is the state of 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: the German economy that the Nazis rose to power and 87 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: because you know, that's one of the reasons they were 88 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: able to rise to power and fascism was able to 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: take over because the country and the economy was in 90 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: such dire straits that this idea of like, hey, everybody, 91 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: get in line behind this guy, because he's going to 92 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: lead us out of it. That's how That's essentially one 93 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: way that Hitler and the Nazis were able to rise 94 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: to power. But that also means that he inherited a 95 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: terrible economy and he had to figure out what to do. 96 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Not only a terrible economy took but they Germany lacks 97 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: natural resources that you would need to fund to to 98 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: start a war machine too. Yeah, they they have no oil. No, 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: they don't have mineral deposits that you can make really 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: fine metals out of. They've got saur kraud, they have sour. 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: They have a lot of beer too, and there to 102 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: their credit. But you know, if that's all you got, 103 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: you need more to fight a war with. Yeah, So 104 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: what happened was they um. They had what was called 105 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: the reichs Mark, which was the monetary unit of the 106 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: Third Reich. And there were five neutral countries that declare 107 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: during World War two like we're not going to trade 108 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: in reiks Marks. So Hitler and Germany said, well, you 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: know what's always valuable anywhere is gold, and let's start 110 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: taking it from anywhere and everywhere we can get it. Yeah, 111 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: and gold in particular, it's what's called um, a very 112 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: fungible commodity, Like you can you can trade just about 113 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: anything for gold. Right. If you have gold, people will 114 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: give you whatever you want. You can use to buy oil, 115 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: you can use it buy guns, you can use it 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: to fund terrorism, you can use it to back your 117 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: own currency. There's a lot of stuff you can do 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: with gold. But in particular in World War two, if 119 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: you were the third the Nazi regime, you needed to 120 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: use gold because these neutral countries couldn't accept reich marks 121 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: by agreement. But also the Reich reichs Marks were worthless anyway, 122 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: so if you wanted to buy a bunch of guns, 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: you needed some gold. And because Germany at the time 124 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: only had about twenty five tons of gold in its reserves, 125 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: which sounds like a lot, but as we'll see, is 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: a paltry amount of gold compared to what they looted 127 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: and pillaged and took. Um, they needed some golden. So yeah, 128 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: they started looting it. And the first place they turned 129 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: chuck was Austria. Yeah, how much gold did you say 130 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: they had? They had five metric from what I understand, 131 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: twenty five metric tons of gold in the reserve Germany 132 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: did at the outset of um World War two. All right, well, 133 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: this will drive home how much that is. They looted 134 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: fifteen tons just ten tons less from the citizens Jewish 135 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: citizens a Vienna, Austria, from from the capital city only. 136 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: They looted fifteen tons of gold from Jewish citizens, just citizens, 137 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: like you said, oh yeah, and that's um, those are 138 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: just people. So the Central Bank of Austria they got 139 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: a hundred tons of gold, so right there, four times 140 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: what they had in reserve. And then they said, hey, 141 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you know that six tons of gold that you're trying 142 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: to send away to England to keep safe from us. 143 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: We're bring that back here to we want that. Yeah, 144 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: they did so just from Austria alone, they got a 145 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: hundred and uh what twenty one tons, yes, to add 146 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: to their existing twenty five tons. It was a huge deal. 147 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: That kicks started the Nazi war machine into high gear. 148 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: It was a big coup. Austria wasn't expecting it. No 149 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: one was expecting it, and so other countries in Europe 150 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: suddenly like gulped and they were like, we need to 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: we needed to take this as advanced warning. Basically, we 152 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: don't want to become like Austria. And they triggered chuck 153 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the largest physical transfer of wealth that the the world, 154 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: the planet has ever seen. Yeah, because I didn't know this, 155 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: And it's kind of cool that, um, you know, countries 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: that are are friendly to one another will help each 157 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: other out like this. You can say, hey us, you've 158 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: got Fort Knox there. I've heard that's a pretty safe 159 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: place to keep gold. Um where England? So can we 160 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: send you a bunch of that to keep for us? 161 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: And just you know, uh, we'll make a receipt out 162 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: so we know how much there is and you promised 163 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: not to spend any of it. And the the US 164 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: and Canada UM early on at least did things like this. 165 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: They accepted huge gold shipments. There was a operation in 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: nineteen forty called Project Fish where the UK was sending 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: or Britain was sending fift hundred metric metric tons of 168 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: gold UH to the US to store in Fort Knox. Yeah, 169 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: and in two thousand nineteen dollars. The amount that they 170 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: sent on slow boats through the Atlantic, which by the way, 171 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: we're infested with U boats by ninety was worth a 172 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixties six billion dollars in today's dollars. Yeah. 173 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: Not one of those ships was sunk astoundingly and that 174 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: nuts we so UM they they sent so Britain sent 175 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: that metric tons. Russia They're like, we're just gonna take 176 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: care of ourselves. They evacuated a bunch of stuff from 177 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: UM their stockpiles. They sent twenty eight hundred tons of 178 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: gold from its banks to a location in the Ural 179 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: Mountains for safe keeping. They also sent two other national 180 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: treasures to the embalmed corpse of Nikolai Lennon and UM 181 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: artwork from the Hermitage Museum those three, those were the 182 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: three things they prized the most too, to transferred by 183 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: train to the Ural mountains to stash until the war 184 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: was over. So all told, if you want to add 185 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: it up, during the course of World War two, the 186 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: Nazis stole at least that we know of four hundred 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: million American dollars in gold from countries they occupied, and 188 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: another hundred and forty million dollars in gold from people, 189 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: largely Um Jewish people, from their homes, people that it 190 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: were imprisoned in concentration camps. They stole. It was a 191 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: very meticulous thing that they did. They would raid their homes. 192 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: They wouldn't just round people up, They would go to 193 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: their safety deposit boxes. They would rip their dental fillings 194 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: out of their teeth, such that it even got the 195 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: name tooth golds on gold Um and not that. Didn't 196 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, that covered everything that they stole from people, 197 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: not just the gold from teeth. That covered people's wedding 198 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: rings and their jewelry and their parts of eyeglasses and 199 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: other things like that. It's just unbelievable how much gold 200 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: they looted from concentration camp victims. Yeah, especially when you 201 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: step back and look at it like that Germany really 202 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: needed the money, the Third Reich needed the money. They 203 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: were just robbing, robbing and murdering, that's what they were doing. 204 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: You know. It really kind of puts it into perspective more. 205 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the Nazis were the worst, dude, and still are. 206 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: Nazis are the worst. So most of that gold that 207 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: was stolen um from occupied countries. UM. I didn't see 208 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: how many tons it was, but what'd you say? Generally 209 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: the figure I've seen is about five six hundred million 210 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: dollars in nineteen forties dollars um stolen, and most of 211 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: it was put into the reichs Bank, which is Germany's 212 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: central bank. UM kind of like it's federal reserve, and 213 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: there are different branches throughout the country, and you know, 214 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: the gold was kind of distributed here there, but um, 215 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: as as the war kind of moved on, it was 216 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: moved more and more into the central reichs Bank in 217 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: Berlin until ninety and there was a bombing raid on 218 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: Berlin on Germany and they said, we need to get 219 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: this gold out of here and into secret locations. And 220 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: so the gold from the reichs Bank UM hundreds of 221 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: millions today, billions and billions worth of dollars worth of 222 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: gold was moved to places where no one had any idea, 223 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: secret locations that weren't banks in Germany. Yeah, so this 224 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: would set off um. I mean people are still looking 225 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: for Nazi gold today, and and not just walking around 226 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: with the metal detector, but people are some people are 227 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: putting a lot of money into looking for Nazi gold. 228 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: And one of the big reasons is a like you 229 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: just said, they we know that they moved it at 230 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: some point and be in April, there were some military 231 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: police uh patrolling around the town of Merkers. They questioned 232 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: a couple of French women who had been displaced and 233 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: they said in French, I would imagine that they saw 234 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: gold being stored in a potest mine near the town, 235 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: and the piece said soccer blue, I mean holy Cow. 236 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: And the army investigates this and they found the us 237 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: It's famous now the Mrkers Mind Treasure, which was a 238 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: horde of gold that was a room covered in seven 239 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: thousand marked bags of gold coins, gold bars, gold jewelry 240 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: valued at about two hundred and thirty eight million dollars. 241 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: So this was a signal to everyone like wow, the 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: legend of Curly's gold is real. Yeah, yeah, because this 243 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: is only about half the money. So uh, let's let's 244 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: get our metal detectors out. Yeah. I mean, this idea 245 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: that the Nazis hid gold in mine chats are all 246 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: sorts of different places was proven by that Mrker's Mind Treasure, 247 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: that they did this and there were substantial amounts to 248 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: be found. That was two hundred and thirty eight million 249 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: dollars worth, but they stole five hundred to six hundred 250 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: million dollars worth, which means that there is a substant 251 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: antial amount of gold unaccounted for, and that is what 252 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: has fueled treasure hunters to look for what today would 253 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: be billions of dollars worth of gold that was lost 254 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: and scattered and spread after World War Two. And I say, Chuck, 255 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I have a proposal for you. I bet I know 256 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: what it is. Ye, what kind of what's your favorite 257 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: kind of pie? Oh? I really love a key lime. 258 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah it's hard not to go with key lime, Okay, 259 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: but what about just like a standard traditional fruit pie. 260 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: They're really tough to beat, like a good cherry pie. 261 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: If I'm going fruit pie, it's gonna be an apple 262 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: crumble for sure. Okay. I used to be in that 263 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: same group with you until you had the sweetest cherry pie. Yeah, Warrant. 264 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Warrant talked to me into trying, and I loved it. 265 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: Cherry pie is actually as good as the song makes 266 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: it sound. Wow, all right, we'll be right back, Okay. 267 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: I want to learn about a rosicl how to take 268 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: a perfect with all about fractal getting kiscon n the 269 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Lizzie Border murders that they kind of all runs on 270 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: the plane, everything that we should know. Squard up jerry 271 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: cheese much cherry pie. Yeah, I've tried it with cheese, 272 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: like they say, but it's not very good. I think 273 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: that's typically apple pie that's supposed to have cheese on it. 274 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: So it's just like straight cherry pie. Cherry pie. Uh, 275 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: cool drink of water, it's a sweet surprise. Yep. I've 276 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: tried it with the cool drink of water too. It's good. 277 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: It's better with just water than say, like coke, because 278 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: coke's sweet taste competes with the sweetness of the cherry pie. 279 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: So they're they're pretty much right on, except for the cheese. 280 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: They say it'll make a grown man cry. I'm here 281 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: to tell you that's the truth. Oh boy, that song 282 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: and that video so dumb but also very titillating for 283 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: a very young Chuck. You know, um, have you seen 284 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: the Rush documentary? Oh? Sure, did you know that Sebastian 285 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: Bach from skid Row? It was skid Row, right, he 286 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: was well Warrant saying cherry Pie. But yeah, okay, but 287 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: like it's just a huge leap from skid Row to Warrant. 288 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Give me a break. But Sebastian Bach was from Warrant, right, 289 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, he was skid Row. Oh that's 290 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, Warrant was Janie Lane mistaken? Yeah, 291 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: you're right, man, you got it. The poor man's Bret Michaels. Yeah, 292 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in a way so and sorry, Janey. I I really 293 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: didn't mean that, but I couldn't leave it. Um the 294 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: the But Sebastian Bach from skid Row is one of 295 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: the greatest and longest standing Rush fans of all time. 296 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: That's right. He was all over that, Yeah, I think 297 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: he was. He joined their fan club in like seventh 298 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: or eighth grade, he said, and I loved it. Right now, 299 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: somewhere Brett Michaels is walking around playing that on repeat 300 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: to his family. Did you hear that? Did you hear 301 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: what Josh said? He thinks I'm better than the skid 302 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: mo guy? No, you mean warrant. It doesn't matter, all right. So, um, 303 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: we're talking about Nazi gold. And we were saying before 304 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: we started talking about warrant and everything that, um, that 305 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: there is gold that is on accounted for that was 306 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: stolen by the Nazis that just kind of vaporized after 307 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: the war. Goal is not supposed to do that. It's 308 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that people love about gold is 309 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't just vaporize into thin air. It's really easy 310 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: to keep track of if you want to. And so 311 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: people started looking for gold or looking for clues. And 312 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: one of the big clues that people started following was 313 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: local rumors and legends. Like in Murkers, there were plenty 314 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: of rumors and legends that there was gold hidden in 315 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: a mind nearby exactly and they so the people people 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: hearing local legends is really kind of fueled hunt for 317 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: hunts for Nazi treasures for almost a century now. Yeah, So, um, 318 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna go through a bunch of these. There's one 319 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: called Lake Toplets, Uh, like it's a very lovely place. 320 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you looked up pictures, um. But people and 321 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: treasure hunters have been looking for this golden Lake Toplets 322 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: ever since uh. And this was very much fact A 323 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: bunch of Nazis retreated there in the Austrian Alps in 324 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: the final months of the war. US troops were closing 325 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: in fast and Germany was about to collapse, and so 326 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: they transported a bunch of boxes to this lake military 327 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: military vehicles and then horse drawn wagons even and they 328 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: dumped them in the lake. So I think that part 329 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: is definitely true, right, there's yes, from what I could tell, 330 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: it was reported on like that is in fact what 331 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: was in the boxes? What's up for for debate exactly. 332 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: Some people say that's the Nazi gold about five and 333 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: a half billion dollars worth. Other people said, um, no, 334 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: I think some of this stuff are documents, um where 335 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: they uh, they were basically confiscated from Jewish victims, about 336 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: where their assets were hidden and what Swiss bank accounts 337 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: they could loot. Maybe I saw, and I saw also artwork. 338 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: Sure they think that was sealed artwork. Um. Also there's 339 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: a rumor that there's three hundred pounds of morphine in 340 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: in those boxes. That was contributed by I think Albania's 341 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: president Um because he didn't want it to fall into 342 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: the hands of the Allies. Well, one thing they know 343 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: was down there, because they actually found some of these 344 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: three was Hitler had the idea at one point, Hey, 345 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: let's sabotage various countries by creating counterfeit money of those countries. Yeah, 346 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: it's a pretty smart plan for a dirty Nazi I know. 347 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: So they created, um just hundreds of million dollars worth 348 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: of British pound notes and in nineteen eighty three a 349 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: German biologists by accident discovered a lot of these British 350 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: pounds in the lake. What did we talk about that 351 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: and like how counterfeiting works. Maybe maybe it does sound 352 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: familiar though for sure, we definitely talked about that plan. 353 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: And remember there was like a a Jewish printer who 354 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: was a Holocaust um prisoner, a prisoner of a concentration camp. 355 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: We can't remember which one, who turned out to be 356 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: like this master counterfeitter. Yeah, like because the Nazis trained 357 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: him to her forced them to it was, if I 358 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: remember correctly, it was our counterfeiting episode. Yeah, And in 359 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine. I talked about the nineteen eighty three fine, 360 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: but in fifty nine, uh, they recovered seven hundred million 361 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: pounds of these counterfeit notes from that lake. So some 362 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: people say that's all that was down there. Um, other 363 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 1: will say there may still be gold down there, And 364 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: Austria actually still to this day has a problem about 365 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: tin divers a year illegally dive in that lake looking 366 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: for that treasure. Yeah, and what's interesting about this lake 367 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: aside from the fact that there might be Nazi treasure 368 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: in it, which is interesting enough to make the lake 369 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: remarkable and noteworthy, but in addition to that, this lake 370 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: has a kind of a strange hydrology, and that the 371 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: top half of it is freshwater the bottom half of 372 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: salt water, and they're separated by density. And in the 373 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: middle of these two layers is a like a layer 374 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: of floating layer of ancient logs that have fallen in 375 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: the lake and been preserved over time. And so you 376 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: can only dive so far before you hit this layer 377 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: of logs. And some divers, I think five divers have 378 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: at least have died in this lake looking for Nazi gold, 379 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: and at least one of them got tangled up in 380 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: this layer of logs. It's a really dangerous place to dive. 381 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: But the fact that you can't really see past this 382 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: layer of logs is one of the things that keeps 383 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: people coming back and keeps this legend alive because they 384 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: can't thoroughly search this lake and show conclusively, no, there's 385 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: no gold here. Leave this place alone, stay away. Amazing. 386 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: It is pretty amazing. And then the other thing about 387 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: it too is this is a really remote location that 388 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: was used by Nazi officers, high ranking Nazi officers, and 389 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: for missile testing. It seems like a really odd place 390 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: just to dump counterfeit pound notes. Yeah, like you could 391 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: dump those just about anywhere, So I don't know, maybe 392 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: there is something to it. You're gonna get your Skiba 393 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: gear ready. I got my flippers on already. You can't see, 394 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: but I've got them on alright. We're gonna move now 395 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: to um an eastern German town along the check border 396 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: called Deutsche Catherinenburg. It's it sort of looks like the 397 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: alphabet when it's on a on a page. It's a 398 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: lot of letters in a row. But there are people 399 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: there that think, not only is there gold here, but uh, 400 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: possibly the amber room, which was this. You just look 401 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: up pictures of the amber room. It's pretty amazing, this 402 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: chamber of um, honey and lindseed and kannak confused, amber panels, 403 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: gold frame mosaics, marble, precious stones. And it was a 404 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: gift of Prussian King Frederick Wilhelm, the first two Russia's 405 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: Peter the Great once called the eighth Wonder of the World. 406 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: And it disappeared during World War two. Yeah, the Nazis 407 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: plundered it from Russia from the U s. S R. 408 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: And they took it back to Germany, back to Kunnigsberg 409 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: or Kunigsberg, which was I think now a time or 410 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: part of um of Russia again, but at the time 411 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: during World War two was part of Germany or Prussia, 412 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: and they had it on public exhibit for like four 413 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: or five years, and then at the end of the 414 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: war it just anished and no one's seen it since. 415 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people who say, well, it 416 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: was destroyed in air raids. Other people say it was 417 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: sunk on the you know, on a ship that was 418 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: secretly carrying it. Um, it's just lost. But there's a 419 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: pair of treasure hunters at Deutsche Catherinenburg Um who searched 420 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: in the area because they were sure that, among other things, 421 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: the amber room panels were buried there in that town. Yeah, 422 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: and this is um. This is probably the worst ending 423 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: to a potentially cool story ever, But that was there 424 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: was a pair of searchers um searching for this stuff. 425 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: One of them's father was a German Air Force officer 426 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: in World War Two, and in his personal notes, this 427 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: son thought that he'd found the exact coordinates of this treasure. 428 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: So he got together with another treasure hunter who was 429 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: another German. He was a mayor in fact of a 430 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: nearby town, and they thought that they had discovered through 431 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: radar this big rectangular underground on space about sixty ft down. 432 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: And when I was reading this, dude, it was so juicy, 433 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, what happened? They didn't never 434 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: tell anyone that no one knows if they found any treasure. 435 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: They didn't say anything about it. Apparently they had an 436 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: acrimonious split in two thousand eight, and that's just sort 437 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: of the end of this story. Yeah, I guess the 438 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: other treasure hunter was staying in the mayor's town and 439 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 1: the mayor kicked him out of town. It was that acrimonious. Wow, 440 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: So that's it. The last I heard was that they 441 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: didn't find anything in two thousand eight, or they didn't 442 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: never search for it, right, So yeah, it was a 443 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: little name, but worth putting in there. I think, Oh, no, 444 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: it's worth putting in there. It's just has no good resolution. No, 445 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: it's yeah, no, But you read a lot of fiction, 446 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: so you can deal with that, right, that's right. Okay, 447 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: So in Poland, south southeastern southwestern Poland and a little 448 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: corner down there, there's something. There's a range of mountains 449 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: called Owl Mountains, and there's a long standing and widespread 450 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: rumor that's that's been there for a very long time. 451 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: I would say roughly since around the end of the 452 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: world the Second World War. That would be my guess, 453 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: that there is a ghost train and Nazi ghost train 454 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: loaded with jewels, gold, weapons, art, basically everything you can 455 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: think of that the Nazis would have plundered or pillaged 456 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: loaded onto this train, driven into a tunnel in the 457 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: mountain and left there hidden, and that it's still there, 458 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: and um people have been looking for it for a 459 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: very long time again since probably about the end of 460 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: World War two. But the thing that's kept this treasure 461 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: hunt alive, Chuck, is there really is a vast, unmapped 462 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: network of tunnels in the Owl Mountains that the Nazis 463 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: dug there in World War two. Yeah. So again, some 464 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: of this is based in fact. So that's what will 465 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: keep any sort of urban legend alive if if part 466 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: of it is true. And they did. They dug these 467 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: tunnels of mine chats between forty three and forty five. 468 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: It was called the Raisa project, which means giant in German, 469 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 1: and no one knows why. Some people say it might 470 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: have been in one of their weird secret weapons programs. Uh. 471 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: Some people say it may have been potentially where Hitler 472 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: was going to hold up for his last stand. But 473 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: it was very, very secretive, even among the s S. 474 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Because if you worked on this tunnel, you had to 475 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: sign a confident confidentiality agreement, which just sounds funny. For 476 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: some reason, I thought everything about the s S was 477 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: so secretive it would just be implicit. But what and 478 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: where are they gonna do, like take you to court 479 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: that you violated your n DA or something. It's it 480 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: is odd, isn't it. You know what they would do. Yeah, 481 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: they just shoot you. I wouldn't think they would need 482 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: a signed agreement for that. I think there's the Nazis 483 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know. Yeah, so they were not 484 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: allowed to have their family members within uh forty KOs 485 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: radius of this area, and these tunnels were dug by 486 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: forced labor concentration camps nearby. And it might have been 487 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: a place for gold and may still be, but the 488 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: Soviets ruined all that in when they came knocking at 489 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: the door, and the Nazis fled and basically blew up 490 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: their own tunnels behind them. Yeah, and I want to say, 491 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: there's a really good New Yorker article about the hunt. 492 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: I can think it's even called the Hunt for Nazi Gold, 493 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 1: about this particular legend and people looking for it and 494 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: they take a second. I think it's really worth UM 495 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: pointing out here too. Is um. You know, people who 496 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: get who start looking for treasure, no matter what the 497 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: providence of the treasure is, UM just gets so wrapped 498 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: up in the treasure and the legends and the myths 499 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: and everything that it's easy to forget things like, well, 500 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: you're running around a tunnel network that was dug by 501 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: people who were literally worked to death over the course 502 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: of weeks. They were worked that hard. They died digging 503 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: these tunnels that hold maybe this legendary treasure. That is 504 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: the only thing you can focus on, what you're talking about. 505 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: That And that's definitely like a part of the problem 506 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: that comes along with the job is you know, forgetting 507 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: like look, having blinders on that you forget the reality 508 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: of the situation. It's definitely it's important to remember this that, 509 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, some of this gold we're talking about was 510 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: pulled from the teeth of dead Holocaust victims. You know, 511 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: remember that too. It's like Bill Paxson and Titanic. He 512 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: needed that reminder from the old lady, like, you're all 513 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: pumped up looking for this jewel. Yeah, people die, people 514 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: died here, man. Yeah, let's get it together, Paxxton r 515 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: I P. Yeah, that was so jarring when you told 516 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: me that that first time a few few months back. 517 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: Did I break you that news? You did? You broke 518 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: it hard. So according to this legend, as far as 519 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: the al Mountains go, there was this ghost train, like 520 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: you said, and it was a freight train loaded with 521 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of valuables, artwork, jewels, gold, bully on bars 522 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: of gold and that they drove that thing in this 523 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: thing and it never came out in those tunnels. And Uh. 524 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: The other part of this um story that is rooted 525 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: in fact is there were Nazi trains that carried tons 526 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: and tons of gold and valuables and jewelry and paintings. 527 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: There was one in particular called the Hungarian Gold Train 528 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: that was intercepted by Allied forces in so you got 529 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: a real train that happened. You've got these real tunnels 530 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: that were dug, and all of a sudden, this rumor 531 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: of the ghost train takes route. Yeah, the idea that 532 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: those two things are have come together in the Owl Mountains, though, 533 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's never been shown to be true. 534 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: That's right, And not from a lack of looking, No, 535 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: not at all. No, there's a lot of people looking 536 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: for that there. Um the Uh, this one's actually my favorite, weirdly, 537 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: probably because it's a shipwreck. I'm just so fascinated by shipwrecks. 538 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: So the ship I'm talking about is called the S S. Minden, 539 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: and it was a German merchant vessel and back in 540 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: I think nineteen thirty nine it was disabled by the 541 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: British Royal Navy off of the coast of Iceland, right. 542 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: And what what's so mysterious about this is that the 543 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: Minden's ship register shows that it was just carrying um 544 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: resin from Brazil. I didn't see what kind of resin. 545 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: But you can do all sorts of industrial stuff with 546 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: the resident from making adhesives to plastics to whatever um 547 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 1: and then that was it. Right. But the thing that 548 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: makes the sinking of the men and some as serious 549 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: is that the ship's captain, rather than let it fall 550 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: into British hands, sunk it himself. And he sunk it 551 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: in seventy feet of water off the Icelandic coast, and 552 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: that's where it lay undiscovered until I believe two thousand 553 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: and seventeen, when a mysterious ship showed up and started 554 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: um looking around the Icelandic coast and it believes that 555 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: it found it. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a little 556 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: odd to sink a ship full of resin. Only it 557 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: raises a little bit of suspicion, Like you said, even 558 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: though you can do some things with it, it kind 559 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: of stuck out to me. It's like, what else is 560 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: on that boat? But yeah, in two thousand seventeen, the 561 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: Coast Guard in Iceland bordered a vessel of the CBED Constructor. 562 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: It's like an unnervingly bland name. It's so boring. It's 563 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: not like the Uh well now I can't all boat 564 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: names are kind of dumb. Hercules of the sea. That's 565 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: what I would name in my boat. Yeah. Um, So 566 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: they intercepted it. They said, hey, what are you guys 567 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: doing here? And they said, oh, well, um, this boat 568 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: has been leased by a group of British folks who 569 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: are such searching for the wreck of the S S. 570 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Menden And they were like what They're like, haven't you 571 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: heard that? That was just full of resin And they said, 572 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: clearly not, because we're spending a hundred thousand dollars a 573 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: day to least this boat, which frankly is not that 574 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: great of a deal. But we couldn't talk him down 575 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: any So that I mean, if someone is spending a 576 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a day, that means that makes me 577 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: think they know something that we don't know. Yeah, And 578 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: so the Icelandic press actually reported that they think that 579 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: they know something we don't know, so much so that 580 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: they interviewed the crew and the crew said. The official 581 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: story is that they're looking for a couple of hundred 582 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of gold that they believe was hidden 583 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: in the safe on that ship, but that the real story, 584 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: the real prize for what they're looking for, is only 585 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: known to a handful of people, high ranking people on 586 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: the boat and left at that which, man, the Icelandic 587 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: press knows how to how to spin a mystery, if 588 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: you ask me. Yeah, I mean that really added this 589 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: extra air of mystery on top of everything else, which is, oh, 590 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: sure we think there's a hundred million dollars plus in gold, 591 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: but we're really there for another secret reason. Yeah. If 592 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: if a hundred million dollars worth of gold is your 593 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: decoy cover story, man, you're onto something impressive. I can't 594 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: wait until they raised that thing, because from what I 595 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: could tell, everything everything pointed to the fact that they 596 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: did successfully find the minden. That that is the minden 597 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: they found. But as far as I know, they have 598 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: not gone down and salvaged it at all. Get James 599 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: Cameron on it. Who knows. Maybe, I mean the amber 600 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: room was sunk and maybe it happened to be on 601 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: the s S. Menden, So maybe we'll have the Amber 602 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: room back in the next ten years. Um. Well, hey man, 603 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: you said today's magic second ad break word James Cameron, 604 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: which means we're now obligated to take our second message break. 605 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to take it now or shall we 606 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: have taken it three minutes ago? Now let's take it now. Okay, 607 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: we'll be right back everybody. I want to learn about 608 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: how to take a perfect but all about fractal thinks, hun, 609 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: the Lizzie Border murders that they runs on the plane, 610 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: everything we should know. Wear it up, Jerry. All right, Chuck. 611 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: So there's places where you can physically go to search 612 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: for legendary gold. You can also just enter the international 613 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: gold trade and you can turn up, alarmingly Nazi gold 614 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: that was kind of lost you could put it after 615 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: the war. Yeah, this is really interesting. As part of 616 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: reconstruction and restoration all over Europe, there was a committee 617 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,959 Speaker 1: for him called the Tripartite Gold Commission or the Tripartite 618 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: Commission for the Restitution of Monetary Gold. And this was 619 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: formed in by the US, by the French, and by 620 00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: the Brits, and basically the whole jam here was let's 621 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: find all this goal, let's account for all this gold 622 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: that we discovered as allies, and then let's redistribute it 623 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: back to where we if we can trace it such 624 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: to where it was looted, um to the banks and 625 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: central banks, and even if we can find out human individuals, 626 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: that would be even better that and that it was 627 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: strictly too, I believe, strictly to the European central banks 628 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: that had a claim to have having been looted from. 629 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: After the war, and then in the late nineties there 630 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: was a real push to try to um compensate the 631 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: survivors and the heirs of the Holocaust who also had 632 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: been robbed too. So a lot of gold that some 633 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: countries still had claim on as part of this um 634 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: UH London Conference on Nazi Gold that was held UH 635 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: some of some of the countries that said, well, actually 636 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: we're still owed a lot of this gold. They said, okay, 637 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: well we'll take a portion of this gold and diverted 638 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: to humanitarian groups who will UM use it to to 639 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: UM for reparations to Holocaust victims, which is pretty cool. 640 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: The big outlier in this was a little tiny country 641 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: there remained neutral during World War Two, at least on 642 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: paper um Switzerland, who not only it turns out, was 643 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: secretly assisting the Nazis and laundering their gold in exchange 644 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: for money that the Nazis could go used to fund 645 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: its war machine. They hung on to this Nazi gold 646 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: and from what I can tell, still have all of 647 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: the Nazi gold that they had after World War Two, 648 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: including gold that was made from that zon gold melted down, 649 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: personal effects and gold teeth um that Switzerland apparently still 650 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: has in its gold reserves and is not willing to 651 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: give up. Yeah, that was really surprising. This all came 652 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: out because of a historical paper that was part of 653 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: that conference. Um. It showed that the US had a 654 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: lot of this gold, uh, that they melted down after 655 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: the war and did return to the central banks in 656 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: Europe um as part of an effort to stabilize their 657 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: economy there um. But finding out that Switzerland did this, 658 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: and that Switzerland was neutral, and that the Geneva Convention, 659 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: which which explicitly bars this kind of thing comes from 660 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: Geneva Switzerland is like the ultimate irony here, and it's 661 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: I just want to know if there's more to this. 662 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: There's got to be something else, right. They're they're good people, sure, 663 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: but I mean, countries do bad things for sure, you know, 664 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: even if there are good people that live there, there's 665 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean from everything I could tell, it came out 666 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: in the nineties that it was pretty clear Switzerland had 667 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: served as money launderers for the Nazis without anybody realizing 668 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: it for decades. Wow. Yeah, it's it is pretty shocking 669 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: for sure. UM. I think the thing that gets me though, 670 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: is the idea that there's a lot of gold in 671 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: the internet national gold trade today that can be traced 672 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: back to missing Nazi gold, that it's not necessarily buried 673 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: in the side of a mountain in Poland or under 674 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: a small town along the German Chech border. That it's 675 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: it's out and about. It's being used as currency or 676 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: as a commodity today in the in the international gold trade. 677 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: That to me is the most astounding part of all 678 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, how do you trace gold? They have 679 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 1: a very strict system for it, but it's only as 680 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: strict as UM how it's observed. So like, for example, 681 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, the Simon Weisenthal Center, which UM 682 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: has spent a lot of time hunting down Nazi war criminals. UM. 683 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: In the I think starting in the sixties, seventies and eighties. UM, 684 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: they accused of Venezuela and specifically the administration of Nicholas 685 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: Maduro of trafficking in Nazi gold that he's so old 686 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: over the course of his administration so far something like 687 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: seventy seven tons of gold. And they're like, you know what, 688 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: we're pretty sure that that was Nazi gold that was 689 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: transferred late in the war to Spain and then on 690 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: to South America to help fund a fourth Reich, a 691 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: rebuilding of the Nazi regime among the war criminals living there, 692 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: and they think that this was some of that gold 693 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: and that Maduro has been selling it to kind of 694 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: bankroll his his country and his his um his regime. Wow, 695 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: isn't that nuts a whole? Yeah? It is absolutely the 696 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: Like I can't remember how I came across as I 697 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: think it was a house stuff works article. There's a 698 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: couple on them, and it just started digging further and further, 699 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: and it's just one of those things where it's it 700 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: just takes such a great left turn, great meaning like 701 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: just surprising and unexpected, where it's like, you know, you're 702 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: going from treasure hunters arguing and kicking one another out 703 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: of little towns and in kicking around mountains and Poland 704 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: to the international gold trade, trafficking and Nazi gold. Still 705 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just just a crazy story. Yeah, it's it's 706 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: pretty mind blowing and disappointing in a lot of ways. Yeah, 707 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 1: for sure, because again, remember a lot of that gold, 708 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: those gold bars are melted down gold teeth taken from 709 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: Holocaust victims or gold wedding rings taken from Holocaust victims, 710 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: and now they're used to um as as part of 711 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: an international form of currency. Yeah bo um, Well that's it. 712 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: You got anything else? I got nothing else. If you 713 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: want to know more about um Nazi gold, there's a 714 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: lot you can read. It's quite a rabbit hole you 715 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: can go down if you want to. Um. So you 716 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: could start by going to how stuff works dot com 717 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: and checking out their articles on it. And since I 718 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: said how stuff works, it's been a while, that means 719 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: it's time for a listener. May all that's right? Uh. 720 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking that would be a good movie about 721 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: World War two era Nazi gold hunters, but it's sort 722 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: of like Three Kings already did that, but that was 723 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: a Gulf war. Yeah. Um. And then also there was 724 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: that one museum. Men. I think they were brought into 725 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,240 Speaker 1: kind of make sure that the paintings that were looted 726 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: were not or whatever. I didn't see that. What was 727 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: it called? One called museum? And what was it? Almost 728 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: positive it was museum? And was it what? You look 729 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: that up while I read listener mail? All right, because 730 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: that's a terrible name. I agree. I'm gonna call this. 731 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: We cited someone that we probably shouldn't have cited, and 732 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: this is from anonymous. Hey, guys, really enjoyed this show 733 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: this week on universal basic income. Just a heads up, 734 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: you cited the conservative economist Charles Murray and his justifications 735 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: for introducing UBI to the American economy. I'm sure you 736 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: didn't realize this, but Murray is a particular favorite of 737 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: white supremacist oh Boy for his views on genetics and 738 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: their contribution to social inequality between whites and people of color. Yeah, 739 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: is a book called the Bell Curve that is often 740 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: cited as a data proven evidence for white supremacy. It's 741 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: also largely been debunked as pseudo science. Uh wow. He 742 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: links to a Southern poverty law centers right up for 743 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: our own reference, and he says I will, no doubt 744 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: keep on listening. Guys, I'm sure it was unintentional. Please 745 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: take more care though and curating your sources, especially if 746 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: it might throw your narrative for a loop. And that 747 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: is from anonymous, and boy Anonymous, you're right, we had 748 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: no idea. UM should have done a little bit more 749 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: digging there. So please everyone realize, and anyone that listens 750 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: to the show probably realizes we certainly did not mean 751 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: for that to be the case when we cited Mr Murray. 752 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: Now we kind of bift that one big time. H 753 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 1: no offense intended. Hopefully you didn't take it, and thank 754 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: you for a very measured and level and even handed correction. 755 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: That's right, it was very kind. And by the way, Chuck, 756 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: it's monuments man. Yeah. I knew though something about it 757 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: that didn't sound right. But there is show called museum 758 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: Men that's been on since two thousand fourteen. But they 759 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: they kind of they make um displays from museums. Ah, 760 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: they're craftsmen, craft people. Okay, okay, So museum man monuments 761 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: men two different things. And if you want to get 762 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: in touch with us, you can join us on the internet, 763 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: send us an email. Wrap it up, spanking on the 764 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: bottom and send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeart 765 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a production 766 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts for 767 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: my heart Radios at the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 768 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,