1 00:00:15,396 --> 00:00:23,316 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Imagine there's a place in our world where the 2 00:00:23,396 --> 00:00:27,756 Speaker 1: known things go, or at least the people who are 3 00:00:27,836 --> 00:00:37,356 Speaker 1: learning how to know all right, pleasurely into the flag 4 00:00:37,676 --> 00:00:42,196 Speaker 1: of the United States of America. High School in northern 5 00:00:42,196 --> 00:00:48,396 Speaker 1: New England early spring, late mud season, tulips, daffodils, spring 6 00:00:48,476 --> 00:00:53,956 Speaker 1: sports general fine of four teams and had a lot 7 00:00:54,196 --> 00:00:57,836 Speaker 1: of prom thing performances for the undoing Computer Science Lab 8 00:00:58,316 --> 00:01:02,476 Speaker 1: Model u N prom and still more student announcements over 9 00:01:02,556 --> 00:01:06,916 Speaker 1: the speakers. Leave of the love of John Dark. Please 10 00:01:06,996 --> 00:01:09,156 Speaker 1: take up your draft and throw it away because we 11 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:12,636 Speaker 1: were clean in first tool, do a three and many tool. 12 00:01:13,196 --> 00:01:15,676 Speaker 1: Pick up your trash. Please, let's clean this place up. 13 00:01:16,396 --> 00:01:20,516 Speaker 1: We've come here to high school to clean up American politics, 14 00:01:20,876 --> 00:01:23,116 Speaker 1: where the trash that needs picking up is a pile 15 00:01:23,156 --> 00:01:26,076 Speaker 1: of lies. And it also it is just long to 16 00:01:26,756 --> 00:01:32,036 Speaker 1: your raft there and make others up a Welcome to 17 00:01:32,076 --> 00:01:36,116 Speaker 1: the Last Archive High School Edition, Part two, the second 18 00:01:36,116 --> 00:01:38,876 Speaker 1: phase of our experiment and using high school students to 19 00:01:38,916 --> 00:01:42,596 Speaker 1: find out what's true and what's not. Someone's got to 20 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:53,676 Speaker 1: do it, why not them? Last episode we conducted phase 21 00:01:53,756 --> 00:01:56,036 Speaker 1: one of our experiment to solve the problem of lies 22 00:01:56,196 --> 00:02:00,396 Speaker 1: in political ads. Our solution ask high school students to 23 00:02:00,436 --> 00:02:03,036 Speaker 1: form juries and decide whether an ad is true enough 24 00:02:03,276 --> 00:02:06,396 Speaker 1: to get posted on social media. We got this idea 25 00:02:06,436 --> 00:02:09,876 Speaker 1: from Harvard Law School professor Jonathan Zittrain, and we tried 26 00:02:09,916 --> 00:02:12,436 Speaker 1: it out in a big urban public high school outside 27 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:17,596 Speaker 1: of Boston over a single class session. Resounding success. But 28 00:02:17,716 --> 00:02:20,156 Speaker 1: we wondered what if that was a one off? So 29 00:02:20,196 --> 00:02:22,876 Speaker 1: we wanted to try it again on a much bigger scale. 30 00:02:23,676 --> 00:02:26,916 Speaker 1: This time, we're stepping things up, meeting with forty students 31 00:02:26,956 --> 00:02:31,116 Speaker 1: in two schools in two states over three days evaluating 32 00:02:31,196 --> 00:02:35,196 Speaker 1: four ads. Got it. Forty students, two states, three days, 33 00:02:35,436 --> 00:02:39,596 Speaker 1: four ads. Day one we met, everyone learned about political 34 00:02:39,636 --> 00:02:42,716 Speaker 1: ads with them. Day two the students started fact checking. 35 00:02:43,076 --> 00:02:47,076 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, everyone did homework. Monday, Day three was 36 00:02:47,076 --> 00:02:49,916 Speaker 1: the big game day. The students from both schools met 37 00:02:49,956 --> 00:02:54,476 Speaker 1: over Zoom for jury deliberations. The two states we chose, 38 00:02:54,676 --> 00:02:57,756 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and Vermont, are right next door to one another. 39 00:02:58,116 --> 00:03:01,476 Speaker 1: They've got lots in common, but they've also got striking differences. 40 00:03:02,916 --> 00:03:05,676 Speaker 1: We started out in New Hampshire, a tiny state in 41 00:03:05,756 --> 00:03:08,636 Speaker 1: northern New England. It's a place where the first presidential 42 00:03:08,636 --> 00:03:11,556 Speaker 1: primary has been held for decades, so there are huge 43 00:03:11,556 --> 00:03:14,716 Speaker 1: political stakes in this little state. It's a kind of 44 00:03:14,716 --> 00:03:16,836 Speaker 1: place where the candidates will come, sit at a diner, 45 00:03:16,956 --> 00:03:20,396 Speaker 1: talked to voters. Where in any election season political ads 46 00:03:20,436 --> 00:03:24,516 Speaker 1: play on television and on radio. Non stock Perhapshire is 47 00:03:24,516 --> 00:03:29,076 Speaker 1: a battleground state. It's not red, it's more purplish. We 48 00:03:29,116 --> 00:03:32,236 Speaker 1: went to a knocked about little town population nine thousand. 49 00:03:32,596 --> 00:03:35,956 Speaker 1: The town's called where Where Where. It's kind of a 50 00:03:35,956 --> 00:03:39,516 Speaker 1: who's on first problem? White clavered houses, a lot of 51 00:03:39,556 --> 00:03:42,676 Speaker 1: Democratic voters, also a lot of Trump flags and Biden 52 00:03:42,796 --> 00:03:48,236 Speaker 1: sucks signs. We walked up to the high school Skirtland 53 00:03:48,236 --> 00:03:51,676 Speaker 1: and I will be your tour guide. So this is 54 00:03:51,716 --> 00:03:55,796 Speaker 1: the sivixth classroommate and obviously the APUs history. Quinn is 55 00:03:55,836 --> 00:03:58,436 Speaker 1: a junior at John Stark Regional High School in where 56 00:03:58,516 --> 00:04:01,676 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. She would not say this herself, but we 57 00:04:01,756 --> 00:04:04,996 Speaker 1: got tipped off that she's kind of a polyglot. I 58 00:04:05,076 --> 00:04:11,556 Speaker 1: speak Chinese, Japanese, English, French, a town allion, Spanish, Tagalog, 59 00:04:12,476 --> 00:04:17,516 Speaker 1: a little bit of Korean and Vietnamese. Wow right, wow, 60 00:04:18,156 --> 00:04:22,996 Speaker 1: quinns gave me in benatour in English. This hallway is 61 00:04:23,116 --> 00:04:25,636 Speaker 1: kind of the ap hallway so that's where we have 62 00:04:25,756 --> 00:04:29,196 Speaker 1: ap English, APUs history, and honor civics as well as 63 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:33,236 Speaker 1: regular civics, because it's a required course. John Stark is 64 00:04:33,236 --> 00:04:36,036 Speaker 1: a sprawling brick and glass high school up on a hill. 65 00:04:36,516 --> 00:04:38,516 Speaker 1: If you've been to a public high school with about 66 00:04:38,516 --> 00:04:42,316 Speaker 1: a thousand kids in it anytime between nineteen fifty and 67 00:04:42,436 --> 00:04:45,836 Speaker 1: the year two thousand, you can picture John Stark White 68 00:04:45,836 --> 00:04:49,396 Speaker 1: Hallway's murals on the walls. The school is named after 69 00:04:49,396 --> 00:04:54,036 Speaker 1: this guy, General John Stark, a revolutionary somebody. That's pretty 70 00:04:54,116 --> 00:04:58,196 Speaker 1: much my extent of the knowledge I later discovered. John 71 00:04:58,276 --> 00:05:01,596 Speaker 1: Stark is the guy who said live free or die, 72 00:05:01,756 --> 00:05:05,156 Speaker 1: which is New Hampshire's motto. Anyway, Quince took us down 73 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:09,116 Speaker 1: to the cafetorium told us it was Chicken Patty Day. 74 00:05:09,116 --> 00:05:11,436 Speaker 1: Everybody looks forward to Chicken Patty Day, I've heard. So 75 00:05:11,556 --> 00:05:13,676 Speaker 1: I'm a vegetarian, so I don't know, but I've heard 76 00:05:13,716 --> 00:05:17,956 Speaker 1: great things about it. So okay. So that's John Stark, 77 00:05:18,236 --> 00:05:21,236 Speaker 1: our purple State School in New Hampshire, Live for or 78 00:05:21,276 --> 00:05:26,996 Speaker 1: die baby for a blue state, we chose Vermont, New 79 00:05:27,036 --> 00:05:31,076 Speaker 1: Hampshire's neighbor to the west, home of Bernie Sanders. If 80 00:05:31,156 --> 00:05:34,276 Speaker 1: you draw a rectangle and then draw it diagonally a 81 00:05:34,356 --> 00:05:37,356 Speaker 1: squiggly line through the middle. Vermont is on the left 82 00:05:37,476 --> 00:05:39,436 Speaker 1: and New Hampshire is on the right, and that's how 83 00:05:39,436 --> 00:05:42,996 Speaker 1: their politics work out too. Vermont has a Republican governor, 84 00:05:43,036 --> 00:05:44,956 Speaker 1: but it's pretty much a lock for the Democrats in 85 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:49,156 Speaker 1: any national election, so national candidates rarely travel there. A 86 00:05:49,316 --> 00:05:52,316 Speaker 1: Republican hasn't won the state since nineteen eighty eight, when 87 00:05:52,316 --> 00:05:57,156 Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush beat Massachusetts Governor Michael Ducaucus. Campaigns 88 00:05:57,196 --> 00:06:00,196 Speaker 1: do not spend money trying to win over Vermonters, and 89 00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:02,676 Speaker 1: the ads that do play tend to be much more local. 90 00:06:03,356 --> 00:06:05,356 Speaker 1: We finished up our tour with quins and jumped in 91 00:06:05,396 --> 00:06:07,996 Speaker 1: the car. Who's time to drive across the Connecticut River 92 00:06:08,436 --> 00:06:11,916 Speaker 1: in you're drawing that's quiggly line? Is that river all right? 93 00:06:12,076 --> 00:06:14,596 Speaker 1: Soak it up? Soak up every last drop of New 94 00:06:14,596 --> 00:06:18,396 Speaker 1: Hampshire you can. Recording six class periods and two schools 95 00:06:18,396 --> 00:06:21,316 Speaker 1: over three days required a lot of driving between states, 96 00:06:21,676 --> 00:06:24,796 Speaker 1: me plus all three of the last archives producers, Ben, 97 00:06:24,956 --> 00:06:28,636 Speaker 1: Sophie and Lucy in teams of two. Thankfully, it's not 98 00:06:28,676 --> 00:06:31,556 Speaker 1: a long drive from John Stark in where New Hampshire 99 00:06:31,796 --> 00:06:36,756 Speaker 1: to Green Mountain Union in Chester, Vermont, and we made it. 100 00:06:40,116 --> 00:06:47,236 Speaker 1: We have across the river here we go to Vermont. Yes, wow, 101 00:06:47,276 --> 00:06:52,236 Speaker 1: so everything feels super different. So okay, the differences between 102 00:06:52,236 --> 00:06:54,596 Speaker 1: New Hampshire and Vermont are in some ways so small 103 00:06:54,716 --> 00:06:56,956 Speaker 1: that it's easy to make fun of state pride. I'm 104 00:06:56,996 --> 00:07:02,036 Speaker 1: wide awake and warmer. We're past the cold river new sights. 105 00:07:02,716 --> 00:07:05,836 Speaker 1: Still there are real differences. Vermont is very very liberal. 106 00:07:05,956 --> 00:07:08,916 Speaker 1: New Hampshire is more conservative. And then there's the matter 107 00:07:09,156 --> 00:07:12,236 Speaker 1: of the ice cream. What are maple creamies? Creamies are 108 00:07:12,276 --> 00:07:16,836 Speaker 1: like a special kind of vermine soft served and I 109 00:07:16,876 --> 00:07:19,876 Speaker 1: have to try that favored ones For the blue state 110 00:07:19,956 --> 00:07:22,756 Speaker 1: end of our experiment, We've chosen Green Mountain High School 111 00:07:22,756 --> 00:07:25,596 Speaker 1: in Chester, a beautiful, gleaming high school that sits on 112 00:07:25,636 --> 00:07:28,956 Speaker 1: a hill. Every wall inside is covered with student art. 113 00:07:29,116 --> 00:07:32,676 Speaker 1: Incredible edgy, thrilling student art. Like the high school we 114 00:07:32,756 --> 00:07:35,316 Speaker 1: visited in New Hampshire, this one serves a mostly white, 115 00:07:35,436 --> 00:07:40,396 Speaker 1: mostly rural community, farming towns a green Mountain. Two students 116 00:07:40,476 --> 00:07:43,036 Speaker 1: volunteered to give us a tour around the place. All right, 117 00:07:43,076 --> 00:07:47,916 Speaker 1: I'm Liam, by the way. Nate's a freshman and Liam's 118 00:07:47,916 --> 00:07:50,836 Speaker 1: a junior. He's on the school baseball team plays second base. 119 00:07:51,396 --> 00:07:53,996 Speaker 1: Are a Red Sox fan. I'm a Yankees fan. Oh no, 120 00:07:56,436 --> 00:08:02,716 Speaker 1: but why my dad likes loss to like? There used 121 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:04,556 Speaker 1: to be lots to like about the Red Sox too, 122 00:08:04,876 --> 00:08:08,156 Speaker 1: but now they stink. Anyway, we had our two schools 123 00:08:08,156 --> 00:08:11,316 Speaker 1: in two states, with two different teachers. In New Hampshire, 124 00:08:11,356 --> 00:08:13,476 Speaker 1: at John Stark High School, we're going to be going 125 00:08:13,476 --> 00:08:17,556 Speaker 1: to Dan Marcus's ap us history class. And here at 126 00:08:17,596 --> 00:08:20,316 Speaker 1: Green Mountain and Chester Vermont, we're going to be going 127 00:08:20,356 --> 00:08:24,116 Speaker 1: to Melissa Palmer's eighth period Civics class. We're at their 128 00:08:24,116 --> 00:08:27,316 Speaker 1: schools to get verdicts on four political ads from twenty 129 00:08:27,396 --> 00:08:32,156 Speaker 1: twenty two to stage a kind of Civics Olympiad after 130 00:08:32,196 --> 00:08:44,076 Speaker 1: the bell. I've told you a little bit about our 131 00:08:44,076 --> 00:08:46,756 Speaker 1: two schools, John Stark in New Hampshire, Green Mountain and 132 00:08:46,876 --> 00:08:50,196 Speaker 1: Vermont are actually the students have told you about their schools. 133 00:08:50,676 --> 00:08:53,796 Speaker 1: Now I want to introduce you to their teachers. Melissa 134 00:08:53,836 --> 00:08:56,916 Speaker 1: Palmer teaches Civics and history at Green Mountain. Her classrooms 135 00:08:56,916 --> 00:08:59,356 Speaker 1: on the third floor. It's like a treehouse up there, 136 00:08:59,636 --> 00:09:02,636 Speaker 1: the branches all but bursting through the windows. She got 137 00:09:02,636 --> 00:09:05,036 Speaker 1: wonder woman stuff all over the place, Wonder Woman mug 138 00:09:05,076 --> 00:09:08,476 Speaker 1: on the desk, Wonder Woman posters on the walls, signs 139 00:09:08,476 --> 00:09:12,836 Speaker 1: that read I teach What's your superpower? And she does 140 00:09:12,876 --> 00:09:16,276 Speaker 1: have a superpower. She's a genius teacher. When I first 141 00:09:16,316 --> 00:09:18,196 Speaker 1: got to the classroom, she was trying to build up 142 00:09:18,196 --> 00:09:22,516 Speaker 1: her student's confidence. They were nervous about this experiment. In particular, 143 00:09:22,716 --> 00:09:24,236 Speaker 1: they were scared that at the end of it they 144 00:09:24,236 --> 00:09:26,236 Speaker 1: were going to be meeting with students from New Hampshire. 145 00:09:26,676 --> 00:09:28,556 Speaker 1: This is the way I always look at things. You're 146 00:09:28,556 --> 00:09:30,236 Speaker 1: going to be working with students you don't know, yes, 147 00:09:30,276 --> 00:09:33,956 Speaker 1: but are you ever going to see them again? People? Right, 148 00:09:34,276 --> 00:09:39,116 Speaker 1: don't be shy, like, don't worry. Okay. Something important to 149 00:09:39,156 --> 00:09:42,156 Speaker 1: note here, Melissa Palmer. Students at Green Mountain were mostly 150 00:09:42,196 --> 00:09:45,916 Speaker 1: freshmen taking a required Civics course. Their counterparts in New 151 00:09:45,916 --> 00:09:50,276 Speaker 1: Hampshire were ap history students, mainly juniors, some seniors. The 152 00:09:50,396 --> 00:09:53,636 Speaker 1: Vermont kids were a little intimidated by that. Would they 153 00:09:53,676 --> 00:09:57,036 Speaker 1: hold their own in this jury of peers? But that's okay, 154 00:09:57,116 --> 00:10:00,076 Speaker 1: because if this spread nationwide, the classrooms might not be 155 00:10:00,156 --> 00:10:03,596 Speaker 1: matched exactly. And I wanted to know in that case, 156 00:10:03,876 --> 00:10:07,636 Speaker 1: would it still work we'll find out soon enough, but 157 00:10:07,756 --> 00:10:09,316 Speaker 1: first let me tell you a little bit more about 158 00:10:09,316 --> 00:10:12,156 Speaker 1: our new Hampshire teacher, Dan Marcus. He's got a giant 159 00:10:12,196 --> 00:10:15,196 Speaker 1: facsimile of the four pages of the parchment Constitution on 160 00:10:15,196 --> 00:10:19,036 Speaker 1: the walls of his classroom, and portraits of political philosophers 161 00:10:19,076 --> 00:10:22,836 Speaker 1: along an ideological continuum. John Locke at one end with 162 00:10:22,876 --> 00:10:26,356 Speaker 1: a sign that reads trust the People, and Thomas Hobbes 163 00:10:26,556 --> 00:10:29,396 Speaker 1: at the other end with a sign that says trust government. 164 00:10:29,996 --> 00:10:32,636 Speaker 1: In a minute, i'll tell you, guys your groups and 165 00:10:33,076 --> 00:10:34,676 Speaker 1: really what you're going to be doing is you're gonna 166 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:36,996 Speaker 1: be charged with sort of a two step process. The 167 00:10:36,996 --> 00:10:39,636 Speaker 1: first step is going to be to decide what your 168 00:10:39,676 --> 00:10:41,836 Speaker 1: methodology is going to be. How are you going? Dan 169 00:10:41,956 --> 00:10:44,356 Speaker 1: Marcus gives the impression of being more buttoned up than 170 00:10:44,396 --> 00:10:47,756 Speaker 1: Melissa Palmer. He's a little bit reserved at first, but 171 00:10:47,876 --> 00:10:49,956 Speaker 1: don't be fooled. It took a while for this to 172 00:10:49,956 --> 00:10:51,756 Speaker 1: come out and talking with him, but it turns out 173 00:10:51,796 --> 00:10:54,396 Speaker 1: that he writes and records songs for his students to 174 00:10:54,436 --> 00:11:00,596 Speaker 1: help them study, like this one about the Constitution. Extra 175 00:11:00,916 --> 00:11:05,756 Speaker 1: extra read all about seven articles of the CASSA. Two 176 00:11:06,036 --> 00:11:10,556 Speaker 1: sons think about how generous This was of these teachers 177 00:11:10,556 --> 00:11:13,116 Speaker 1: and their students to let us swarm into their classrooms 178 00:11:13,116 --> 00:11:16,836 Speaker 1: with microphones and recorders and this whole crazy, intricate lesson 179 00:11:16,916 --> 00:11:25,716 Speaker 1: plan and a section A in a new The Rates Congresses, 180 00:11:25,796 --> 00:11:32,356 Speaker 1: Powers and Limitations. The more I got to know these teachers, 181 00:11:32,396 --> 00:11:34,756 Speaker 1: the clearer it came to me that even though we'd 182 00:11:34,756 --> 00:11:37,916 Speaker 1: come to these schools to teach something, ah, that was 183 00:11:37,956 --> 00:11:40,876 Speaker 1: really happening was that we were learning how great American 184 00:11:40,956 --> 00:11:43,436 Speaker 1: high school teaching can be. But it was time to 185 00:11:43,476 --> 00:11:46,836 Speaker 1: get started first with a little fact checking warm up. 186 00:11:47,196 --> 00:11:50,916 Speaker 1: How are you going to decide whether a AD an 187 00:11:50,996 --> 00:11:52,916 Speaker 1: AD or you're AD the one you're going to ultimately 188 00:11:52,916 --> 00:11:55,636 Speaker 1: work with should be something that Facebook or some other 189 00:11:55,676 --> 00:12:00,036 Speaker 1: social media site should allow to be posted. A man 190 00:12:00,076 --> 00:12:02,796 Speaker 1: attacked me in a parking garage, tried to stab me 191 00:12:02,876 --> 00:12:05,596 Speaker 1: with an eight inch knife, but I carry a pistol. 192 00:12:05,996 --> 00:12:08,996 Speaker 1: I fight back. That's an AD made by the NR 193 00:12:09,556 --> 00:12:12,796 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen about gun rights in the Second Amendment. 194 00:12:13,556 --> 00:12:15,956 Speaker 1: Just to be clear here for a minute, the stuff 195 00:12:15,996 --> 00:12:18,796 Speaker 1: about guns, it's not abstract for high school students, or 196 00:12:18,836 --> 00:12:23,196 Speaker 1: even elementary school students, even kindergarteners. It's not abstract for 197 00:12:23,276 --> 00:12:25,876 Speaker 1: kids in any school in the country, given the plague 198 00:12:25,876 --> 00:12:29,876 Speaker 1: of mass shootings. These kids can't vote, but the consequences 199 00:12:29,876 --> 00:12:32,236 Speaker 1: of the political choices made by people who can vote, 200 00:12:32,836 --> 00:12:37,356 Speaker 1: These students bear those consequences in these buildings, within these halls, 201 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:42,356 Speaker 1: underneath these desks. In mister Marcus's classroom, Lydia and Rose, 202 00:12:42,436 --> 00:12:45,556 Speaker 1: two eleventh graders, were dubious about the n a ads 203 00:12:45,636 --> 00:12:49,836 Speaker 1: claims did that woman kill someone? Because what she said 204 00:12:49,916 --> 00:12:51,636 Speaker 1: was they tried to stab you with an eight inchike? 205 00:12:51,676 --> 00:12:54,436 Speaker 1: Whose bay? And when did this happen? And She's like, 206 00:12:54,516 --> 00:12:56,756 Speaker 1: but I was safe because I carried it, because I 207 00:12:56,876 --> 00:12:58,676 Speaker 1: carry a gun. And if you carry a gun, you 208 00:12:58,716 --> 00:13:02,116 Speaker 1: can also protect yourself from the nameless people who attacked. Yeah, 209 00:13:02,156 --> 00:13:04,716 Speaker 1: because who attacked her? One thing I was learning fast. 210 00:13:05,316 --> 00:13:07,996 Speaker 1: Nothing gets past these kids. And if you live with 211 00:13:08,036 --> 00:13:10,476 Speaker 1: high schoolers, you probably know what this feels like to 212 00:13:10,556 --> 00:13:13,876 Speaker 1: watch them nail someone to the wall. As I'd been 213 00:13:13,916 --> 00:13:17,076 Speaker 1: reminded in visiting Benji Cohen's class in our last episode, 214 00:13:17,596 --> 00:13:21,516 Speaker 1: teenagers are born fact checkers, and I think correlation is 215 00:13:21,556 --> 00:13:25,276 Speaker 1: not equal causation. That kind of sense, because someone wants gun, Okay, 216 00:13:25,276 --> 00:13:27,396 Speaker 1: what would you check? You'd check to see if the 217 00:13:27,436 --> 00:13:30,356 Speaker 1: policy is actually to take away your gun. Yeah. Day 218 00:13:30,356 --> 00:13:32,876 Speaker 1: one was mainly this kind of stuff, just talking about 219 00:13:32,876 --> 00:13:37,756 Speaker 1: facts versus claims. Day two we formed the student juries 220 00:13:37,836 --> 00:13:40,396 Speaker 1: to judge ads from the twenty twenty two election season. 221 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:43,516 Speaker 1: We had two ads from New Hampshire and two from 222 00:13:43,596 --> 00:13:47,596 Speaker 1: Vermont in both classrooms. The students in their four groups 223 00:13:47,716 --> 00:13:50,596 Speaker 1: got right to it. The easiest to add to handle 224 00:13:50,636 --> 00:13:53,756 Speaker 1: turned out to be a pretty straightforward issue ad about 225 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:58,556 Speaker 1: ranked choice voting. It was an ad from Vermont across America. 226 00:13:58,756 --> 00:14:01,996 Speaker 1: Our voice is at stake. The threat to our democracy 227 00:14:02,356 --> 00:14:04,676 Speaker 1: is real, but this is mt We're not about to 228 00:14:04,716 --> 00:14:08,076 Speaker 1: give in. It's time to make your voice count with 229 00:14:08,236 --> 00:14:12,076 Speaker 1: ranked choice vote, ranked choice voting, with ranked choice voting 230 00:14:14,916 --> 00:14:18,156 Speaker 1: with Miss Palmer's students in Vermont. Charissa explained how her 231 00:14:18,196 --> 00:14:22,196 Speaker 1: group picked out what parts to check. So we highlighted 232 00:14:22,276 --> 00:14:24,876 Speaker 1: that it can strengthen our says it can strengthen our 233 00:14:24,916 --> 00:14:28,316 Speaker 1: democracy with written choice voting, and that it's a simple 234 00:14:28,316 --> 00:14:30,756 Speaker 1: reform and that it gives more voters, more choice and 235 00:14:30,796 --> 00:14:34,116 Speaker 1: more voice. They got to googling. It's just like first 236 00:14:34,196 --> 00:14:36,476 Speaker 1: doing an Internet search and trying to find like reliable 237 00:14:36,556 --> 00:14:41,236 Speaker 1: sources to fact check it. They made a list of 238 00:14:41,276 --> 00:14:44,276 Speaker 1: pros and cons of ranked choice voting, settling into the 239 00:14:44,276 --> 00:14:47,396 Speaker 1: work of figuring out if the ad was fair. While 240 00:14:47,396 --> 00:14:49,756 Speaker 1: they're slogging that out, let's move on to the official 241 00:14:49,796 --> 00:14:53,796 Speaker 1: campaign ad of Kecia ram Hinsdale of Vermont Or, who 242 00:14:53,876 --> 00:14:56,676 Speaker 1: is at the time running for Congress. Her AD's pretty 243 00:14:56,756 --> 00:14:59,876 Speaker 1: much a love letter to the state. I came to 244 00:14:59,916 --> 00:15:03,356 Speaker 1: the University of Vermont with a suitcase and found my home. 245 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:06,676 Speaker 1: Vermont is a place where we lift each other up, 246 00:15:06,996 --> 00:15:10,036 Speaker 1: where we measure success not by how many cars you have, 247 00:15:10,236 --> 00:15:12,276 Speaker 1: but by how many cars you have pulled out of 248 00:15:12,276 --> 00:15:16,516 Speaker 1: a ditch. That's the Vermont Way. In Melissa Palmer's classroom 249 00:15:16,516 --> 00:15:18,916 Speaker 1: in Vermont, Liam and Nate, the students who'd taken me 250 00:15:18,956 --> 00:15:22,076 Speaker 1: on a tour, started going through the transcript of Hinsdale's 251 00:15:22,076 --> 00:15:25,236 Speaker 1: ad line by line. Yeah, it's not claim, is it like? 252 00:15:25,236 --> 00:15:29,236 Speaker 1: That's just a statement. There's one thing that was really 253 00:15:29,276 --> 00:15:31,396 Speaker 1: cool to see is how thoughtful the students were about 254 00:15:31,396 --> 00:15:34,596 Speaker 1: the sources they were using to check facts. I just 255 00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:37,236 Speaker 1: lays your dough Vermont dot gov. It's one of the 256 00:15:37,236 --> 00:15:39,756 Speaker 1: ones that miss Palmer gave to us. People about Miss Palmer, 257 00:15:39,876 --> 00:15:44,516 Speaker 1: suggestive for us so I think that's a trusted Also, 258 00:15:44,556 --> 00:15:49,476 Speaker 1: it looks like it has a lot of information. Valuating 259 00:15:49,476 --> 00:15:52,836 Speaker 1: the reliability of sources got really interesting, especially in the 260 00:15:52,836 --> 00:15:55,836 Speaker 1: groups that had to judge. In New Hampshire ad about abortion. 261 00:15:57,356 --> 00:16:00,116 Speaker 1: It's one of the most restrictive abortion bands in New 262 00:16:00,156 --> 00:16:04,236 Speaker 1: Hampshire history. There are no exceptions if the fetus can't survive, 263 00:16:04,796 --> 00:16:08,716 Speaker 1: no exceptions for survivors of rape or incest, and doctors 264 00:16:08,796 --> 00:16:12,236 Speaker 1: could face up to seven years in jail. Learn more 265 00:16:12,356 --> 00:16:18,396 Speaker 1: at SUNUW abortion band dot com. In mister Marcus's class Lydia, 266 00:16:18,476 --> 00:16:21,756 Speaker 1: a junior let a deliberation about whether anything in this 267 00:16:21,876 --> 00:16:26,076 Speaker 1: ad violated the standards of students were creating. It's weird 268 00:16:26,156 --> 00:16:29,276 Speaker 1: to think about, like saying, telling adults to not cyberbule 269 00:16:29,316 --> 00:16:33,396 Speaker 1: each other, it's kind of funny. Most of the students 270 00:16:33,436 --> 00:16:36,156 Speaker 1: found it easiest to debate fairness. It took a bit 271 00:16:36,156 --> 00:16:37,836 Speaker 1: of urging to get them to dig into whether the 272 00:16:37,876 --> 00:16:41,996 Speaker 1: claims and the ads were true. Brandon, a friendly sophomore 273 00:16:42,036 --> 00:16:44,436 Speaker 1: in Vermont, realized his group would need to figure out 274 00:16:44,476 --> 00:16:47,516 Speaker 1: what the New Hampshire abortion bill actually said. But what 275 00:16:47,596 --> 00:16:49,316 Speaker 1: we were able to find out is we could just 276 00:16:49,356 --> 00:16:53,356 Speaker 1: look at the actual writing of the bill itself and 277 00:16:53,396 --> 00:16:55,676 Speaker 1: then see if these are actually in here, and if 278 00:16:55,676 --> 00:16:58,236 Speaker 1: they're not, then that will be our fact checking. Right, 279 00:16:58,276 --> 00:17:03,956 Speaker 1: thanklets seems who do we want to fact checks? This 280 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:07,636 Speaker 1: not the most responsible human being. But I probably could 281 00:17:07,676 --> 00:17:11,676 Speaker 1: get on Mike and beers. Yeah, I'll do five through seven. 282 00:17:12,076 --> 00:17:16,756 Speaker 1: I'll fact check those and then you guys can one, 283 00:17:16,876 --> 00:17:19,036 Speaker 1: you can do three or four. You guys can choose 284 00:17:19,036 --> 00:17:25,436 Speaker 1: your Pappas assigning his friend's homework. I love that. Another 285 00:17:25,436 --> 00:17:28,316 Speaker 1: ad from New Hampshire was an attack on Chris Pappas, 286 00:17:28,356 --> 00:17:31,876 Speaker 1: a Democrat running for reelection and the first openly gay 287 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:34,916 Speaker 1: man from the Granite State to serve in Congress. This 288 00:17:34,996 --> 00:17:37,276 Speaker 1: was an attack ed put out by a conservative group 289 00:17:37,316 --> 00:17:41,436 Speaker 1: called American Action Network. It worked by time Congressman Pappas 290 00:17:41,476 --> 00:17:45,436 Speaker 1: to the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. First, Nancy 291 00:17:45,476 --> 00:17:49,396 Speaker 1: Pelosi said she'd raise taxes. Now She's coming for whatever 292 00:17:49,476 --> 00:17:52,876 Speaker 1: you've got left, doubt pay for trillions in new spending. 293 00:17:53,116 --> 00:17:56,476 Speaker 1: Pelosi wants the government to spy on nearly every American 294 00:17:56,516 --> 00:18:01,676 Speaker 1: bank account looking for new money to spend your deposits, payments, 295 00:18:02,036 --> 00:18:07,316 Speaker 1: bank balance. Under Pelosi's plan, the government monitors them call 296 00:18:07,436 --> 00:18:11,116 Speaker 1: Chris Pappas, tell him to stop Pelosi's spending spree and 297 00:18:11,236 --> 00:18:15,436 Speaker 1: keep government out of your bank account. The Vermont students 298 00:18:15,476 --> 00:18:18,436 Speaker 1: were sort of floored by the intensity of New Hampshire politics. 299 00:18:18,876 --> 00:18:22,996 Speaker 1: More vitriol, more national focus, and a lot less let's 300 00:18:22,996 --> 00:18:25,796 Speaker 1: help your neighbor pull their truck out of a ditch. Yeah, 301 00:18:25,836 --> 00:18:28,436 Speaker 1: so Nancy Pelosi said she would raise taxes. So that's 302 00:18:28,436 --> 00:18:31,276 Speaker 1: something that you would be able to bactcheck right. All right, 303 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:35,996 Speaker 1: what else? Now she's coming for whatever you've got left 304 00:18:36,116 --> 00:18:38,916 Speaker 1: to help pay for trillions in new spending. Pelosi wants 305 00:18:38,916 --> 00:18:41,916 Speaker 1: the government to spy on nearly every American bank account. 306 00:18:43,116 --> 00:18:46,996 Speaker 1: Is that a claim? Yeah. Once the students in Vermont 307 00:18:47,036 --> 00:18:49,116 Speaker 1: figured out what those claims were, the next step was 308 00:18:49,156 --> 00:18:51,396 Speaker 1: trying to figure out where those claims came from and 309 00:18:51,476 --> 00:18:54,276 Speaker 1: how to check them. The students in New Hampshire we're 310 00:18:54,316 --> 00:18:56,916 Speaker 1: doing the very same thing. One of the forces list 311 00:18:56,996 --> 00:19:00,796 Speaker 1: is pretty frequently is Fox News and then YouTube says 312 00:19:01,556 --> 00:19:04,556 Speaker 1: that's why we raise up authoritative voices, including sources like 313 00:19:04,596 --> 00:19:10,436 Speaker 1: CNN and Fox News. There's like the doc client because 314 00:19:10,996 --> 00:19:14,836 Speaker 1: that's a secondary right and you're in history class, you 315 00:19:14,916 --> 00:19:18,116 Speaker 1: know primary sources. What would be sore, trying to find 316 00:19:18,116 --> 00:19:20,836 Speaker 1: out what what was Pelosi talking about when she said 317 00:19:20,876 --> 00:19:24,076 Speaker 1: this thing? What would be a farmer's It would be 318 00:19:24,116 --> 00:19:29,116 Speaker 1: the best primer her. They found a phone number for 319 00:19:29,236 --> 00:19:32,036 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's office in Washington. I feel like we should 320 00:19:32,036 --> 00:19:36,556 Speaker 1: call it Zion. Colin would be fine, Colin would be okays. 321 00:19:39,556 --> 00:19:42,876 Speaker 1: They decided to give Nancy Pelosi's office the chance to 322 00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:45,996 Speaker 1: answer the charges leveled in the ad They found the 323 00:19:46,036 --> 00:19:49,196 Speaker 1: tiny corner of the classroom with cell service dot Mister 324 00:19:49,316 --> 00:19:54,156 Speaker 1: Marcus borrowed his phone value from you us to this 325 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:57,316 Speaker 1: menu and English. Please stay on the line. If you 326 00:19:57,356 --> 00:20:00,276 Speaker 1: would like to voice your opinion, share feedback, or pass 327 00:20:00,316 --> 00:20:06,476 Speaker 1: along a personal story to Speaker Pelosi, please press one. 328 00:20:06,596 --> 00:20:09,836 Speaker 1: Welcome to Congress in action pleas two. If you have 329 00:20:09,916 --> 00:20:15,436 Speaker 1: questions about Speaker Pelosi's policy physician, please press three. If 330 00:20:15,436 --> 00:20:18,196 Speaker 1: you are to get the latest news on the issues 331 00:20:18,236 --> 00:20:20,596 Speaker 1: that are report to you, please visit our website at 332 00:20:20,796 --> 00:20:25,716 Speaker 1: www dot speaker dot com. Mister Marcus was listening in 333 00:20:26,556 --> 00:20:33,996 Speaker 1: maybe Hi, UM, I'm a student doing a project on 334 00:20:34,636 --> 00:20:37,796 Speaker 1: um what Nancy Pelosi meant in a political advertisement? And 335 00:20:37,836 --> 00:20:42,596 Speaker 1: I just have a few questions. UM sure if it 336 00:20:42,716 --> 00:20:45,956 Speaker 1: was the political advertisement. Our government office wouldn't be the 337 00:20:46,036 --> 00:20:48,276 Speaker 1: best place to call. It would probably want to call 338 00:20:48,276 --> 00:20:51,756 Speaker 1: the campaign office. Because of how BADIG rules epic rules, 339 00:20:51,756 --> 00:20:55,956 Speaker 1: we can't really answer or to talk about the campaign 340 00:20:56,116 --> 00:20:59,436 Speaker 1: size of things. Um, do you have a number for 341 00:20:59,476 --> 00:21:05,036 Speaker 1: the campaign office? I can't legally direct you. The poor 342 00:21:05,156 --> 00:21:07,756 Speaker 1: young staffer who finally answered the phone, he couldn't have 343 00:21:07,796 --> 00:21:10,996 Speaker 1: been much older than the students themselves. He was patient 344 00:21:11,036 --> 00:21:14,036 Speaker 1: with them, but he couldn't really help. I'm happy to 345 00:21:14,076 --> 00:21:18,436 Speaker 1: talk about her policy more definitely, or redirect you to think. Okay, 346 00:21:18,476 --> 00:21:21,876 Speaker 1: so it said she um was spending money and we 347 00:21:21,876 --> 00:21:24,716 Speaker 1: were just wondering where that spending money was coming from 348 00:21:24,996 --> 00:21:28,876 Speaker 1: that we saw in the ad. You'd have to be 349 00:21:28,916 --> 00:21:31,156 Speaker 1: a little more. I think that she'd had a lot 350 00:21:31,196 --> 00:21:34,916 Speaker 1: of press teaments on life but redirected her website um 351 00:21:35,196 --> 00:21:38,316 Speaker 1: in terms of like specific films that she's passed and 352 00:21:39,316 --> 00:21:42,876 Speaker 1: things like the Omnibus. But um it was saying that 353 00:21:43,076 --> 00:21:46,156 Speaker 1: there was lots of that she was raising taxes and 354 00:21:46,156 --> 00:21:50,756 Speaker 1: then taxes for like homeowners and things like that. Yeah, 355 00:21:51,316 --> 00:21:52,916 Speaker 1: I don't want to think on behalf of the speaker 356 00:21:52,956 --> 00:21:55,676 Speaker 1: on any particular issue because I'm not an official took 357 00:21:55,796 --> 00:21:58,596 Speaker 1: person or the speaker, but like she's put statement on 358 00:21:58,836 --> 00:22:01,036 Speaker 1: every funding bill online. But I think that'd probably be 359 00:22:01,076 --> 00:22:03,596 Speaker 1: the best place. Oh well, it turns out it's hard, 360 00:22:03,756 --> 00:22:07,316 Speaker 1: maybe even impossible to check facts directly with elected officials 361 00:22:07,516 --> 00:22:09,876 Speaker 1: if you're a high school student. I think, aren't they 362 00:22:09,876 --> 00:22:13,556 Speaker 1: supposed to answer questions? Though? I think I just learned 363 00:22:13,596 --> 00:22:16,436 Speaker 1: about the civics, so they're supposed to answer questions, like 364 00:22:16,436 --> 00:22:20,316 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be able to call no. That's an 365 00:22:20,356 --> 00:22:24,636 Speaker 1: actual thing in the I think it was Hobbes and Locke. 366 00:22:24,676 --> 00:22:26,196 Speaker 1: They said, like, if you ever have a problem with 367 00:22:26,236 --> 00:22:27,756 Speaker 1: your government, you should be able to take it upon 368 00:22:27,796 --> 00:22:30,236 Speaker 1: yourself to like talk to the government and get those 369 00:22:30,236 --> 00:22:33,196 Speaker 1: answers of the question. We all died a little in 370 00:22:33,236 --> 00:22:35,756 Speaker 1: that moment, I guess, except that it was so great 371 00:22:35,796 --> 00:22:39,196 Speaker 1: to watch them go for it. Plus she cited Hobbes 372 00:22:39,236 --> 00:22:42,876 Speaker 1: and Locke. By the way you were thank you was 373 00:22:43,156 --> 00:22:46,196 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, you're awesome to talk to a 374 00:22:46,276 --> 00:22:50,356 Speaker 1: representative who wouldn't give me any answer. That was day 375 00:22:50,396 --> 00:22:53,076 Speaker 1: one and day two. They were good days, great days. 376 00:22:53,316 --> 00:22:55,596 Speaker 1: The kids dug In really put in the work. It 377 00:22:55,636 --> 00:22:57,476 Speaker 1: was easy almost to lose sight of what it was 378 00:22:57,516 --> 00:22:59,836 Speaker 1: all for. But I don't think the students last sight 379 00:22:59,916 --> 00:23:02,476 Speaker 1: of that you could tell how seriously they were taking it, 380 00:23:02,596 --> 00:23:05,716 Speaker 1: thinking about what if this actually worked, what if this 381 00:23:05,876 --> 00:23:10,876 Speaker 1: really became a national program. Everyone went home with assignments 382 00:23:10,876 --> 00:23:14,036 Speaker 1: over the weekend. Monday, they'd be back for jury service 383 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:26,636 Speaker 1: after the break Monday Day three game day, where the 384 00:23:26,676 --> 00:23:29,156 Speaker 1: students in Vermont and New Hampshire would meet together by 385 00:23:29,236 --> 00:23:33,036 Speaker 1: zoom for jury duty in breakout rooms and together they'd 386 00:23:33,076 --> 00:23:36,076 Speaker 1: come up with their verdicts on four political ads, two 387 00:23:36,116 --> 00:23:39,916 Speaker 1: from each state. Can you describe for me after you're 388 00:23:39,956 --> 00:23:42,356 Speaker 1: wearing and why you're wearing? Oilver At John Stark High 389 00:23:42,356 --> 00:23:45,596 Speaker 1: School in New Hampshire, in Dan Marcus's classroom, the junior 390 00:23:45,676 --> 00:23:50,156 Speaker 1: named Jackson was dressed for success. I'm wearing a suit 391 00:23:50,236 --> 00:23:53,316 Speaker 1: today for the sole purpose of this podcast. I want 392 00:23:53,316 --> 00:23:57,036 Speaker 1: to look good big camera. Guy. Jackson's on the volleyball team. 393 00:23:57,236 --> 00:23:59,876 Speaker 1: Last season, they hadn't won a single game, and this 394 00:23:59,956 --> 00:24:03,116 Speaker 1: was the first day of the new season. But there 395 00:24:03,236 --> 00:24:05,756 Speaker 1: was something of a different vibe over in Vermont at 396 00:24:05,796 --> 00:24:08,636 Speaker 1: Green Mountain Union, where Melissa Palmer had written on the 397 00:24:08,676 --> 00:24:12,996 Speaker 1: board four and a half days till vacation, sixty and sunny. 398 00:24:14,636 --> 00:24:19,636 Speaker 1: I'm going swimming. Give me my swim shorts. The kids 399 00:24:19,636 --> 00:24:21,716 Speaker 1: in Miss Palmer's class were a little nervous about meeting 400 00:24:21,756 --> 00:24:24,796 Speaker 1: their New Hampshire peers. Brandon was fidgeting in his seat. 401 00:24:25,236 --> 00:24:29,636 Speaker 1: I don't want this, Brandon, You totally can do this. 402 00:24:29,756 --> 00:24:32,396 Speaker 1: I have complete and utter faith in you. A lot 403 00:24:32,556 --> 00:24:36,276 Speaker 1: of pressure. It's not the math Olympiad, but it felt 404 00:24:36,276 --> 00:24:40,916 Speaker 1: big and a little scary to everyone, including me. I 405 00:24:41,036 --> 00:24:43,036 Speaker 1: was in Vermont. Most of the rest of the production 406 00:24:43,076 --> 00:24:47,236 Speaker 1: team was in New Hampshire. We connected by zoom. I'll 407 00:24:47,276 --> 00:24:50,036 Speaker 1: just say you, guys, I've met everybody now in both classes. 408 00:24:50,076 --> 00:24:53,556 Speaker 1: I'm Jillipour. We are the last Archive producing team. We 409 00:24:53,596 --> 00:24:55,996 Speaker 1: are so grateful to you and your teachers for doing this, 410 00:24:56,156 --> 00:24:59,436 Speaker 1: and everyone here and Chester Vermont is very excited. So 411 00:24:59,636 --> 00:25:03,476 Speaker 1: we'll start off by learning about the classroom on the 412 00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:07,556 Speaker 1: other side of the river. At the start, there was 413 00:25:07,596 --> 00:25:09,676 Speaker 1: just a lot of shuffling and stammer as we got 414 00:25:09,676 --> 00:25:13,676 Speaker 1: the laptops hooked up to zoom. Then Quince the Polyglot 415 00:25:13,956 --> 00:25:18,716 Speaker 1: spoke up. Okay, hi, um, we are John Stark, We're 416 00:25:18,756 --> 00:25:22,156 Speaker 1: located in We're in New Hampshire and this is the 417 00:25:22,276 --> 00:25:26,796 Speaker 1: a push history class and we're excited to hear what 418 00:25:26,836 --> 00:25:30,276 Speaker 1: you guys have to say and collaborate with you. Awesome, 419 00:25:30,356 --> 00:25:34,196 Speaker 1: Thank you all right Chester, do you guys have someone 420 00:25:34,236 --> 00:25:39,476 Speaker 1: to volunteers. We're a green Mountain. We're located in southern Vermont. 421 00:25:40,076 --> 00:25:43,756 Speaker 1: We're seven through twelve, and we're pretty small. I guess. 422 00:25:45,756 --> 00:25:48,236 Speaker 1: Once the students got into their breakout rooms, one for 423 00:25:48,276 --> 00:25:50,596 Speaker 1: each of the four ads, it was hard to hear, 424 00:25:50,836 --> 00:25:54,196 Speaker 1: and it was hard to see, and everyone was feeling shy. 425 00:25:54,676 --> 00:25:58,956 Speaker 1: Hot take zoom sucks. Yeah, can you till the screen 426 00:25:58,956 --> 00:26:03,036 Speaker 1: down a little? Yeah, I cannot hear it. But then 427 00:26:03,156 --> 00:26:06,196 Speaker 1: miraculously everyone sort of figured it out. I mean, these 428 00:26:06,276 --> 00:26:08,836 Speaker 1: kids have been through like two years of a pandemic. 429 00:26:09,316 --> 00:26:12,756 Speaker 1: They know how to use zoom. In the end, it worked. 430 00:26:13,396 --> 00:26:15,516 Speaker 1: Some groups went out to the hallway, some went into 431 00:26:15,556 --> 00:26:20,676 Speaker 1: a little teacher's kitchen. They found quieter places to zoom from. Hi, guys, sorry, um, 432 00:26:20,916 --> 00:26:25,156 Speaker 1: we didn't really hear your names. Brandon from Vermont helped 433 00:26:25,196 --> 00:26:27,916 Speaker 1: get the conversation started with Lydia's group in New Hampshire. 434 00:26:27,996 --> 00:26:33,356 Speaker 1: They were talking about the abortion ad. I'm Brandon, Yeah, 435 00:26:33,876 --> 00:26:39,476 Speaker 1: I'm Lydia. I'm Madison I'm Phoebe, I'm Natalie. Nice to 436 00:26:39,476 --> 00:26:42,076 Speaker 1: meet you, guys. They worked out a way to decide 437 00:26:42,076 --> 00:26:44,596 Speaker 1: who would do what, using the tried and true method 438 00:26:44,676 --> 00:26:58,276 Speaker 1: of every schoolyard okay, wait who okay, um, Shobe's gonna 439 00:26:58,276 --> 00:27:02,516 Speaker 1: be a poor started to get to know one another, 440 00:27:03,076 --> 00:27:06,916 Speaker 1: overcoming that high school shyness, they got really into comparing 441 00:27:06,956 --> 00:27:09,516 Speaker 1: their states. The kids from New Hampshire had notice how 442 00:27:09,556 --> 00:27:12,236 Speaker 1: different the Vermont ads were from the ones that aired 443 00:27:12,236 --> 00:27:17,316 Speaker 1: in their state. Wait, who seems more calm. There's literally 444 00:27:17,396 --> 00:27:21,196 Speaker 1: like there's a sign outside, like two houses down from 445 00:27:21,196 --> 00:27:23,356 Speaker 1: mine that says F Joe Biden and F anyone who 446 00:27:23,436 --> 00:27:25,636 Speaker 1: voted for him, and it's like thank you. So it's 447 00:27:25,756 --> 00:27:33,756 Speaker 1: it's intense, and this town, specifically sol is hostile. The 448 00:27:33,876 --> 00:27:37,436 Speaker 1: Vermont kids weren't familiar with this hostility. Yeah, I guess 449 00:27:37,476 --> 00:27:39,756 Speaker 1: you could say, like different areas of the states are different, 450 00:27:39,796 --> 00:27:42,836 Speaker 1: but I mean where we are, we're pretty chill. No 451 00:27:42,836 --> 00:27:45,836 Speaker 1: one really cares. It's like people think what they think 452 00:27:45,836 --> 00:27:49,636 Speaker 1: and there's nothing really about it. That must be so nice. 453 00:27:50,556 --> 00:27:53,796 Speaker 1: But Brandon and Lydia's group also got down to business together, 454 00:27:54,156 --> 00:27:57,156 Speaker 1: talking about the abortion ad, one of those super intense 455 00:27:57,236 --> 00:28:00,756 Speaker 1: New Hampshire ads. Remember, these jurors aren't trying to decide 456 00:28:00,756 --> 00:28:03,676 Speaker 1: if the ad is good or bad. They aren't dealing 457 00:28:03,716 --> 00:28:07,596 Speaker 1: with tone. They're just trying to answer one question. Is 458 00:28:07,676 --> 00:28:12,116 Speaker 1: this ad true and enough to be posted on social media. 459 00:28:12,516 --> 00:28:15,276 Speaker 1: It's one of the most restrictive abortion bands in New 460 00:28:15,316 --> 00:28:20,516 Speaker 1: Hampshire history. There are no exceptions, so we should start 461 00:28:20,556 --> 00:28:22,796 Speaker 1: off with a straw pole. Probably see where we all 462 00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:25,116 Speaker 1: at with the if we should put it online or not. 463 00:28:25,636 --> 00:28:28,116 Speaker 1: So raise your hand if you think it should be online, 464 00:28:28,396 --> 00:28:32,396 Speaker 1: like it should be posted, because that's is the third 465 00:28:32,436 --> 00:28:35,436 Speaker 1: person in your group raising their hand. Yes, he is, 466 00:28:35,516 --> 00:28:38,876 Speaker 1: you just can't see it. So oh, so that's unanimous. 467 00:28:38,876 --> 00:28:42,916 Speaker 1: So everyone's raising their hand. Sweet. That maybe makes it 468 00:28:42,956 --> 00:28:46,716 Speaker 1: a little bit easier. Initially, everyone from both schools in 469 00:28:46,756 --> 00:28:49,196 Speaker 1: the straw pole, so the pro choice ad could go 470 00:28:49,316 --> 00:28:53,836 Speaker 1: up on social media. Here's Brandon again. I thought it 471 00:28:53,876 --> 00:28:57,076 Speaker 1: should be online because after all the research I and 472 00:28:57,236 --> 00:29:00,396 Speaker 1: my group did, we came out to it all being true, 473 00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:03,956 Speaker 1: Like every claim was true. So we're like, okay, it 474 00:29:03,996 --> 00:29:08,876 Speaker 1: doesn't violate anything. It's not like spreading misinformation. It was 475 00:29:08,916 --> 00:29:11,516 Speaker 1: all true at the time. So that's why I think 476 00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:15,916 Speaker 1: it personally should be online. Then when Lydia summarized New 477 00:29:15,916 --> 00:29:20,516 Speaker 1: Hampshire's thinking, things got a little trickier. Okay, um, we 478 00:29:21,116 --> 00:29:23,996 Speaker 1: found that, similar to what you guys found, that most 479 00:29:24,036 --> 00:29:25,756 Speaker 1: of it or all of it was true at the 480 00:29:25,836 --> 00:29:28,876 Speaker 1: time that it was created. The one thing that we 481 00:29:28,876 --> 00:29:31,676 Speaker 1: did find was that in the AD they said that 482 00:29:31,716 --> 00:29:35,276 Speaker 1: there were no exceptions made for rape or incest for abortion, 483 00:29:36,316 --> 00:29:37,956 Speaker 1: and at the time that the AD was made it 484 00:29:38,036 --> 00:29:41,996 Speaker 1: was true. But after the policy was looked over by 485 00:29:42,036 --> 00:29:45,996 Speaker 1: the House, they made exceptions for rape and incest as 486 00:29:46,356 --> 00:29:49,036 Speaker 1: an addition to the bill. So it was all true 487 00:29:49,036 --> 00:29:51,236 Speaker 1: at the time. So what we proposed was that in 488 00:29:51,356 --> 00:29:53,356 Speaker 1: order to fix that, you just put a date on 489 00:29:53,396 --> 00:29:55,476 Speaker 1: the AD, So you just say that it was made 490 00:29:55,476 --> 00:29:58,636 Speaker 1: in February of twenty twenty one or November of twenty 491 00:29:58,636 --> 00:30:01,556 Speaker 1: twenty one, and then that that would be okay. What 492 00:30:01,636 --> 00:30:03,676 Speaker 1: do you what do you guys Vermont guys think of that? 493 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:06,956 Speaker 1: Now that you've said that, I actually agree with that, 494 00:30:07,036 --> 00:30:11,316 Speaker 1: and I think they should have a date. They did 495 00:30:11,316 --> 00:30:14,436 Speaker 1: a second straw pole. They were in unanimous agreement that 496 00:30:14,516 --> 00:30:18,076 Speaker 1: the ad should not run as is at a date though, 497 00:30:18,436 --> 00:30:21,076 Speaker 1: and the ad would be good to go This was 498 00:30:21,116 --> 00:30:23,716 Speaker 1: decidedly not the thinking over in the meeting of the 499 00:30:23,716 --> 00:30:27,636 Speaker 1: two Nancy Pelosi Chris Pappas groups, where everyone over the 500 00:30:27,676 --> 00:30:30,636 Speaker 1: weekend had found they just weren't able to verify much 501 00:30:30,636 --> 00:30:34,076 Speaker 1: of what the ad alleged. It had these authoritative looking 502 00:30:34,116 --> 00:30:37,476 Speaker 1: citations for each of its claims, but the citations were 503 00:30:37,516 --> 00:30:40,716 Speaker 1: in fact too vague to back up any claim at all. 504 00:30:41,396 --> 00:30:44,556 Speaker 1: Doubt pay for trillions in new spending. Pelosi wants the 505 00:30:44,636 --> 00:30:48,196 Speaker 1: government to spy on nearly every American bank account looking 506 00:30:48,236 --> 00:30:51,716 Speaker 1: for new money to spend. What do you guys think, 507 00:30:53,076 --> 00:30:57,716 Speaker 1: I don't think the ash rod begins. There's what the 508 00:30:57,716 --> 00:31:01,116 Speaker 1: ex said, the ad was not very true. Yeah, that's 509 00:31:01,156 --> 00:31:03,916 Speaker 1: similar to what we said. That one seemed to be 510 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:07,516 Speaker 1: a clear no. Next up, the ranked choice voting ad 511 00:31:07,716 --> 00:31:11,196 Speaker 1: from Vermonts had done a ton of research on ranked 512 00:31:11,276 --> 00:31:14,356 Speaker 1: choice voting, of course she had. So there's no real 513 00:31:14,396 --> 00:31:17,236 Speaker 1: evidence we can find for other than just bait claims, 514 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:20,556 Speaker 1: just like the ad itself. No heart evidence one way 515 00:31:20,636 --> 00:31:23,276 Speaker 1: or the other, more of an opinion, really, But that's 516 00:31:23,276 --> 00:31:26,116 Speaker 1: all right, and the ad stood, so we'd come to 517 00:31:26,116 --> 00:31:29,076 Speaker 1: the end of it. Really. Forty students, two schools, two states, 518 00:31:29,116 --> 00:31:32,436 Speaker 1: four ads, Somehow the four juries had come up with 519 00:31:32,476 --> 00:31:36,036 Speaker 1: four different verdicts. The ranked choice voting ad fine to 520 00:31:36,076 --> 00:31:39,196 Speaker 1: go up, the abortion attack ad only with a date stamp, 521 00:31:39,556 --> 00:31:42,316 Speaker 1: the New Hampshire ad attacking Nancy Pelosi and Chris Pappas, 522 00:31:42,516 --> 00:31:46,676 Speaker 1: jury says no. Finally, Kacia rom Hinsdale's campaign ad, the 523 00:31:46,756 --> 00:31:50,556 Speaker 1: love Letter to Vermont. I'm roscostchusic. I'm a junior and 524 00:31:51,196 --> 00:31:53,436 Speaker 1: we found that the ad is true enough to be 525 00:31:53,476 --> 00:31:56,356 Speaker 1: posted on social media. My name is Liam O'Brien. I'm 526 00:31:56,356 --> 00:31:59,636 Speaker 1: also a junior, and my group also agreed that this 527 00:31:59,836 --> 00:32:03,116 Speaker 1: ad should be posted and it should be allowed on 528 00:32:03,116 --> 00:32:06,116 Speaker 1: the internet. I'll say this, it was a lot more 529 00:32:06,156 --> 00:32:09,076 Speaker 1: fast paced than actual jury service, where you waited around 530 00:32:09,196 --> 00:32:11,476 Speaker 1: all day to see if your name is called. This 531 00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:15,636 Speaker 1: jury day was something between speed dating, taking sat in 532 00:32:15,636 --> 00:32:20,236 Speaker 1: a ballroom dancing class, frenetic and intellectually and physically exhausting, 533 00:32:20,476 --> 00:32:24,596 Speaker 1: but also thrilling. The verdicts were in two yeses, one 534 00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:28,876 Speaker 1: no and one yes. But with a condition faced with complexity, 535 00:32:29,156 --> 00:32:34,556 Speaker 1: these students answered with complexity. Jury dismissed. Jurors, you are 536 00:32:34,636 --> 00:32:39,716 Speaker 1: free to go to the cafetorium. We had one last 537 00:32:39,756 --> 00:32:42,956 Speaker 1: question for the kids. We thought this experiment worked, but 538 00:32:43,036 --> 00:32:45,916 Speaker 1: what did the students think? More to the point, did 539 00:32:45,956 --> 00:32:48,156 Speaker 1: they think this should happen? Should really be a thing 540 00:32:48,276 --> 00:32:50,436 Speaker 1: where high school students serve as jurors in this way 541 00:32:50,556 --> 00:32:54,196 Speaker 1: make decisions that will be binding to social media companies? Well, 542 00:32:54,196 --> 00:33:04,076 Speaker 1: I'm Brandon, you have something I've already Well, I guess yeah, 543 00:33:04,116 --> 00:33:06,836 Speaker 1: we should. This is a good idea because like we're 544 00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,716 Speaker 1: learning about it right now, so it's fresh and our memories, 545 00:33:09,756 --> 00:33:12,316 Speaker 1: so like this would be a good way to like 546 00:33:12,636 --> 00:33:14,916 Speaker 1: determine if an at should go up because we're like 547 00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:18,716 Speaker 1: learning about what's good and what's bad about that because 548 00:33:18,756 --> 00:33:20,996 Speaker 1: you're in a sixth class, like because you guys are 549 00:33:21,036 --> 00:33:25,636 Speaker 1: now experts on ads. Sure, Okay, I thought I think 550 00:33:25,636 --> 00:33:28,596 Speaker 1: it's a good idea too, because I think since we're 551 00:33:28,636 --> 00:33:31,516 Speaker 1: so young, some people haven't like picked a side that 552 00:33:31,556 --> 00:33:33,436 Speaker 1: they want to be on, or like some people don't 553 00:33:33,476 --> 00:33:36,036 Speaker 1: have opinions on these types of things, So it's kind 554 00:33:36,036 --> 00:33:38,676 Speaker 1: of just like a it's more of like a fact 555 00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:44,076 Speaker 1: based thing instead of bias. But also it could be 556 00:33:44,236 --> 00:33:46,036 Speaker 1: sort of the opposite, like if you have kids who 557 00:33:46,076 --> 00:33:50,916 Speaker 1: don't know a lot, but their parents are like extremely 558 00:33:51,076 --> 00:33:53,156 Speaker 1: far fetched one way. It's like they're probably gonna go 559 00:33:53,276 --> 00:33:55,596 Speaker 1: that way, so they could be unbiased, but it also 560 00:33:55,636 --> 00:33:58,916 Speaker 1: could be extremely biased. I feel like just because how 561 00:33:58,956 --> 00:34:02,516 Speaker 1: young we are and how we maybe don't know a 562 00:34:02,556 --> 00:34:06,676 Speaker 1: ton yet about these kind of things. Brandon, despite being 563 00:34:06,676 --> 00:34:08,876 Speaker 1: nervous and skeptical of this whole thing at the beginning, 564 00:34:09,276 --> 00:34:11,596 Speaker 1: shining by the end. He thought the design of the 565 00:34:11,636 --> 00:34:15,356 Speaker 1: jury selection would correct for any possible bias back to 566 00:34:15,396 --> 00:34:19,156 Speaker 1: the point where the kids could be biased. That's why 567 00:34:19,356 --> 00:34:21,876 Speaker 1: we should do it like we're doing it now, where 568 00:34:21,916 --> 00:34:26,396 Speaker 1: there's multiple kids different schools, so then it would be 569 00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,796 Speaker 1: a very low chance if everyone is the same bias. 570 00:34:30,196 --> 00:34:32,956 Speaker 1: So if one person is maybe biased, then there's going 571 00:34:32,996 --> 00:34:36,076 Speaker 1: to be rejection from the other people, which would cause 572 00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:38,836 Speaker 1: a debate, and then maybe it would clear out and 573 00:34:38,996 --> 00:34:42,716 Speaker 1: have a more productive response. What do you think about 574 00:34:42,756 --> 00:34:44,236 Speaker 1: the fact that you guys don't vote yet for the 575 00:34:44,276 --> 00:34:46,636 Speaker 1: most part, does that make you better or less able 576 00:34:46,676 --> 00:34:49,476 Speaker 1: to assess these things? I think that makes us better, 577 00:34:50,116 --> 00:34:53,916 Speaker 1: not that high schoolers don't have a motivation to want 578 00:34:53,956 --> 00:34:56,316 Speaker 1: certain ads on the internet or not, but because we 579 00:34:56,356 --> 00:34:59,796 Speaker 1: can't vote yet, it wouldn't be any personal gain from 580 00:34:59,836 --> 00:35:04,716 Speaker 1: having certain parties ads be seen more than others. Like 581 00:35:04,796 --> 00:35:06,796 Speaker 1: the fact that we can't vote. I think that means 582 00:35:06,796 --> 00:35:08,956 Speaker 1: that this is a great opportunity to guess involved in 583 00:35:08,956 --> 00:35:11,756 Speaker 1: the political process in some kind of way, since we 584 00:35:11,796 --> 00:35:15,996 Speaker 1: don't have an actual voting kind of involvement at this point. 585 00:35:16,476 --> 00:35:18,996 Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, I think it's 586 00:35:19,036 --> 00:35:21,516 Speaker 1: pretty cool too. And I couldn't have said it any better. 587 00:35:21,956 --> 00:35:25,876 Speaker 1: Who better to do this than these kids? Experiment complete 588 00:35:25,916 --> 00:35:27,956 Speaker 1: except for over in New Hampshire had turned out. The 589 00:35:27,996 --> 00:35:47,756 Speaker 1: kids had figured out it was mister Marcus's birthday. Who 590 00:35:47,796 --> 00:35:50,156 Speaker 1: knew there would be so much singing in this episode? 591 00:35:50,996 --> 00:35:53,796 Speaker 1: Not me. I also learned that mister Marcus had once 592 00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:57,236 Speaker 1: written a song about kids voting, high schoolers and their 593 00:35:57,236 --> 00:36:01,516 Speaker 1: civics obligations. It's a riff on Taylor Swift's song Lover 594 00:36:03,716 --> 00:36:10,796 Speaker 1: to leave the campaign signs up until November. This is 595 00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:18,236 Speaker 1: our country, we make the rules. Here's my theory about 596 00:36:18,236 --> 00:36:22,036 Speaker 1: why this worked. It worked because of the excellence of 597 00:36:22,156 --> 00:36:26,236 Speaker 1: public education, one of the last great democratic institutions, a 598 00:36:26,356 --> 00:36:31,716 Speaker 1: cultivator of civic mindedness. Public school teachers are dedicated public servants. 599 00:36:31,756 --> 00:36:37,316 Speaker 1: Public school kids are future citizens. So fair warning. Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, 600 00:36:37,596 --> 00:36:41,956 Speaker 1: whoever you want your political odds checked. America's high school 601 00:36:42,036 --> 00:36:50,916 Speaker 1: kids are ready for you, America's future voters. The Last 602 00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:54,436 Speaker 1: Archive is written and hosted by me Jill Lapour. 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