WEBVTT - The High Water Mark: Trump's Coronation

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<v Speaker 1>Also media welcome back to it could Happen here, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that basically all of last week is about the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four Republican National Convention, a four day period

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<v Speaker 1>of time that I'm not sure ever ended or ever

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<v Speaker 1>really had a beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>As of right now, we are stuck in the hotel

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<v Speaker 2>because what we initially thought was a hack and may

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<v Speaker 2>just have been a fuck up pushing an update by

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<v Speaker 2>cloud strike, but by any measure of the word, is

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<v Speaker 2>like the greatest computer disaster of modern times has stranded

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<v Speaker 2>every Republican in the country in the city of Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we are trapped with every single Republican in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin as we wait for airports like a Stephen King bacne.

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<v Speaker 3>It's feeling quite dystopian. We've already been dealing with a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal of like dilation. Just this past week. This

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<v Speaker 3>week has felt it first just felt like a month.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it just felt like an eternity. Yeah, like we

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<v Speaker 3>were just always reporting on the RNC. This is all

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<v Speaker 3>we've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single day of this was longer than my childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I feel like all I've ever done is

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<v Speaker 3>a person is be someone who reports on the RNC.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just the entirety of my existence and life purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that Star Trek episode where they have like

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<v Speaker 2>the fake casino because they found these aliens found a

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<v Speaker 2>stranded astronaut and to try to make him comfortable, like

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<v Speaker 2>recreated a dime store novel, and all of these fake

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<v Speaker 2>people have only ever lived in the casino, experiencing the

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<v Speaker 2>same day forever. That's us. That's us at the RNC.

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<v Speaker 3>So was only created to report on the RNC.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I have a before? Did I have an after?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Yeah. Anyway, so we're doing well, is the

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<v Speaker 2>short of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're mentally healthy and well and well suited to

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<v Speaker 3>handle this political task.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the big story, the one that's really worth

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<v Speaker 2>us talking about right now, is that last night you

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to see the Trump speech spectacular. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>every day of the convention, during the early part of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, you'll have some speeches, and you'll have even

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<v Speaker 2>some outside of the event. Different groups and organizations will

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rent out hotel, ballrooms, conference rooms, they'll give speeches,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll do panels, there's workshops, and obviously inside the wire,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak, you have different dignitaries politicians, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Kruz will come by and I'll sit down to

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<v Speaker 2>be interviewed by a podcaster, a radio host. Rudy Giuliani's

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<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing. You've got all these people who

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<v Speaker 2>do their shows live from the event, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>the evenings, usually starting around like five to seven something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, you start having speeches and part of what

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<v Speaker 2>you know, speeches at the RNC are It's obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to hype up the base. This is the base.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I try to get across

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<v Speaker 2>to people. I posted on day one while there were

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<v Speaker 2>some very dystopian shit coming out Marjorie Taylor Green's speech

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, how empty you know the state was to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, look, there's not that many people here. And

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<v Speaker 2>someone was like, well, it's kind of dishonest to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is an invite on the event that you

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<v Speaker 2>need credentials for. And well that's my point though, is

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<v Speaker 2>like as crazy as a lot of this stuff is,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to get into a lot of the crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't Also you don't want to discount it because

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<v Speaker 2>these people are very powerful and they can do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of damage, and they there's a very good chance

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to wind up with very close to total power.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're also not representative of like a massive chunk

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<v Speaker 2>of this country. Like these are the weirdest of the weird.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the high freaks of Republican Party politics. These

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<v Speaker 2>are the nabobs and priests and shamans of their political class.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you shouldn't over extend the craziness to think that, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>every one of my neighbors who is a conservative is

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of person. Now some of you do have

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors who are this kind of person.

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<v Speaker 3>So, and Trump's speech was certainly much more well attended

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<v Speaker 3>than any other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was. It was also a very different

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<v Speaker 2>vibe because all of those other knights, all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a big part of what this is for

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<v Speaker 2>the people who get speeches is like, we want to

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<v Speaker 2>give you a reward for being a good party soldier,

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<v Speaker 2>but no one wants to promise you a cabinet position

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<v Speaker 2>right now. You know, we can't get like, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you a speech at the RNC. You can lead,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can get on right before Tucker, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can come on right after Tucker or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>like that. You know, and it's kind of how you

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<v Speaker 2>it's one way to dole out favors, right, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>good for people's you know, if you if you're head

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<v Speaker 2>up an organization, it might get you some fundraising at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate. It makes you look more connected at something

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<v Speaker 2>you can brag about to your friends. You get to

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<v Speaker 2>go backstage and be around the VIPs and whatnot, be

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<v Speaker 2>a VIP yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's certainly the case for someone like the VEC right,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who doesn't hold like that office, never has, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's trying to position himself as being, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>an active part of this political project.

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's killer n gave a speech. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not a guy who's you know, an elected leader, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's a guy you want on your side. You let's

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<v Speaker 2>give let's give him a nice position. We'll put him

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<v Speaker 2>right after whole Cogan.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Which I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess is you know that that kind of gets it

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<v Speaker 2>why Thursday was so different from the other nights because

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<v Speaker 2>while the other nights felt like a political convention, because

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<v Speaker 2>the dims do the same thing, right like that their

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<v Speaker 2>speeches occupy roughly the same role in their party. Last

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<v Speaker 2>night felt like a concert. Last night was the vibes

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<v Speaker 2>of like a show. You are going to get hyped

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<v Speaker 2>up and see a show. People were static. There was

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<v Speaker 2>actually music acts, like not just the band that plays

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<v Speaker 2>in between speeches, but Kid Rock came out and did

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<v Speaker 2>a set.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all a big put on performance. Yes it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in many cases well put on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it was very competently stage managed. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>no denying that. We can talk about the content of

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<v Speaker 2>the speech, and I've seen a lot of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>same seater who you know. I like, I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to shit. I'm not gonna shit on Sam or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw his take being like I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>this was kind of this seems like it's a week speech.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not very coherent. You know, people in the audience

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<v Speaker 2>looked sleepy. That was not the vibe during Trump speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I see where he's coming from, because this was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the quieter Trump's speeches.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is quieter, Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this would be this This This was an

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<v Speaker 3>intentional effort to blend some of his more classic talking

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<v Speaker 3>points with this elder statesman kind of vibe and selectively

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<v Speaker 3>utilizing the assassination attempt to talk about both yourself as

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<v Speaker 3>this like broader political figure that that people should unite behind,

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<v Speaker 3>because this incident really shows how divided we are, and

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<v Speaker 3>what we really need to do to unite the country

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<v Speaker 3>is stop attacking Trump, and that's the only way to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. So like this, this was all on purpose

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of using that more sympathetic unity messaging to

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<v Speaker 3>squeeze in all of his same extremely far right talking points,

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<v Speaker 3>just slipping in between you know, calls for like unity

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<v Speaker 3>and ending division and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the fucking the boys are playing in women's

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<v Speaker 2>sports and.

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<v Speaker 3>The Canni elector the late great.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a Hannibal But we should We're getting ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of ourselves, But I do want to just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>say upfront my take differs from what I've seen from

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Cedar and what I've seen from a number of

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<v Speaker 2>folks who watched, you know, the closed circuit version of this.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience loved it. Yeah, like they loved it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can you can taste in the air the degree

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<v Speaker 2>to which they loved Trump. This is like not if

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<v Speaker 2>you have not been to one of these rallies, And

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<v Speaker 2>even this is different because I've been to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a regular Trump rally. This was different than that because

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<v Speaker 2>this is again like the most dedicated chunk of the base.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very much a religious experience for these people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it definitely had that spiritual vibe. So the first

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<v Speaker 3>speaker we wanted to really get to in person to

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<v Speaker 3>hear talk with Tucker, and Tucker, you have a very

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<v Speaker 3>efficient speech. He did not read off a teleprompter. He

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<v Speaker 3>was at living the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best speech at the convention.

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<v Speaker 3>He was, he was, he was. He was a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good speaker. And I know we often will make fun

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of Tucker's mode of speaking on television, which

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<v Speaker 3>can off as a little bit like disjointed and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of just like confused, you know, he has that like resting,

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<v Speaker 3>confused look on his face. He was a very good

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<v Speaker 3>live performer. Yeah, this he gave a stronger live performance

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<v Speaker 3>than I think what a lot of his televised performances

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<v Speaker 3>come off out.

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<v Speaker 4>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave an ridit and smooth summary of fascist ideology

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<v Speaker 2>of specifically what used to be called the Futor prinzip

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<v Speaker 2>or Fewer principle, which is this idea that came out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Nazi movement of a nation being embodied by

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<v Speaker 2>a man, and the man is accountable to the people,

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<v Speaker 2>not in a sense that we would consider like checks

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<v Speaker 2>and balances, but in some deep spiritual connection that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tucker very directly like like hearkened to that. He

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<v Speaker 2>made a comment about like, you know, Trump talked to

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<v Speaker 2>me and he was like, you know, when I got shot,

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<v Speaker 2>I expected to see the crowd running, screaming, stampeding, panicking,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one did. And Tucker was like, that's because

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<v Speaker 2>you're the leader, and the leader the people the leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and they you know, you didn't panic, so they won't panic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most direct old style. This is nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 2>Nazism stuff that Tucker is throwing out, and he he

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<v Speaker 2>discussed it in a way that was very smooth and

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<v Speaker 2>very palatable to American ears. And that was the most

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<v Speaker 2>chilling part of the night for me, because Trump's speech

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<v Speaker 2>was not a particularly I think back to twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and I was at the R and C in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's speech on the last night of the R and

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<v Speaker 2>C was his blood in the Street speech. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a he was angry, it was aggressive, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>violent speech, right, and there were there were moments, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>of violence in his speech, but not much. That was

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<v Speaker 2>not the overall vibe. That was not what he built towards.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the thing he ended on, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>never really a focus. But what Tucker was focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>was getting people on board the concept that they are

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<v Speaker 2>bonded to Trump in a spiritual sense, and that the

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<v Speaker 2>nation is and that Trump is the leader, not by

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<v Speaker 2>dint of having been elected, but by dint of some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of psycha like psycho religious, mystic bond.

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker was also the first guy I heard of the

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<v Speaker 3>convention to mention Antifa at all, first and only saying

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<v Speaker 3>you and tifa' is the Democrats owned militia, which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, something that you would hear four years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>And right before Tucker's speech, I actually was talking with

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<v Speaker 3>Robert being like, hey, I've not heard anyone mention in

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<v Speaker 3>Tifa this entire week, and like this was used to

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<v Speaker 3>be such a big thing in their political messaging both

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<v Speaker 3>like four years ago, two years ago, and this week,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just completely absent. You know. Obviously it has

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<v Speaker 3>been replaced by some of this like gender ideology, groomer

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<v Speaker 3>kind of transpanic type stuff, but it is a noticeable

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<v Speaker 3>absence in the current talking points of the Republican Party,

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<v Speaker 3>say for this one mentioned by Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, during Trump' speech, I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>recall him bringing up the radical left. He didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>He made a couple of joke and these those one.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the jokes that got the best crowd response

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<v Speaker 2>from him is he would bring up Biden, but they say,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to mention his name. I promise I

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<v Speaker 2>won't talk about him, you know, And that got a

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<v Speaker 2>laugh every time that he did it, which I counted twice.

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<v Speaker 2>He did make one reference to the shooter and said

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<v Speaker 2>he tried to stop our movement, greatest movement in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the country, and that was interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he was kind of playing easing off

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<v Speaker 2>the gas on that one, because there's still so much

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<v Speaker 2>that's uncertain about the shooter and his motives. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to work out today because the morning after convention, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of how I purged the hangover from my body.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was watching Fox News on the TV in

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<v Speaker 2>the gym. And I don't watch television news much because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a person who has to do things, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is useful sometimes because it connects you with how an

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunate number of people in this country do and take

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<v Speaker 2>their news. And this morning one of the reports was

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<v Speaker 2>about the shooter and how the FBI had found that

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<v Speaker 2>he had three ENCRYPTID accounts offshore overseas that there's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to break into. They are referring to I think discord

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<v Speaker 2>kind of accounts and stuff like that, Like he might

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<v Speaker 2>have like an we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a WhatsApp, he might have WhatsApp in account.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an encrypted email possibly, Yeah, the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>like I have most people have. But they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>so this makes it even more likely that Iran is involved,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's some sort of a rant because like

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<v Speaker 2>overseas that means Iran. Oh Man, there's lots of companies

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<v Speaker 2>that have encrypted apps that aren't based in the we

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<v Speaker 2>I used to shill for a VPN that was based

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<v Speaker 2>I think Nord is based in Switzerland. Maybe I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>about that, but like some of the VPNs are based

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<v Speaker 2>in Switzerland and like these are not. It's not the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it's overseas does not mean there's any tie

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<v Speaker 2>to anything other than this kid, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people had, was used in encrypted messaging platforms. Obviously I'm interested,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if the FBI went if or when they

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<v Speaker 2>get into that stuff, what they find. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they're going to find that the fucking Ayatola gave

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<v Speaker 2>this guy a five hundred dollars AR fifteen and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>ounce of ammunishit.

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<v Speaker 3>That is certainly doubtful. I mean, yeah, I think Ta

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker had some of the best audience reactions since Marjor

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor Green's speech. He called jd Vance a friend said

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<v Speaker 3>that Dvance's politics are closer to the average Trump voter

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<v Speaker 3>than anyone else in Washington. And yeah, just an overall,

0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:19.880
<v Speaker 3>very very polished speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should probably do an ad break now, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>we should. We're back. So after Tucker, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple other people come on. There was a woman who

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<v Speaker 2>worked for an education a conservative education political activist group,

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<v Speaker 2>who her whole thing was, you know, I worked in

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<v Speaker 2>prisons for a while and then I switched over to

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<v Speaker 2>working in schools, and the thing that shocked me is

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<v Speaker 2>our schools are so much more about our schools are

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<v Speaker 2>like prisons, which I was like, well, actually, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to be said about the way and with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the same technology right, yes, no, this is there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to do. And then you was like, because

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<v Speaker 2>children are much more violent than convicted felons, Like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Of what she was saying is that, like

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<v Speaker 2>schools are completely out of control. And obviously, in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of the height of the COVID pandemic and the lockdown,

0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.040
<v Speaker 2>school violence did soar. It's been coming back down overall,

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<v Speaker 2>schools have been getting less violent in every single way

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<v Speaker 2>but shootings for twenty straight years. And that is that

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<v Speaker 2>is the case now, like under in Joe Biden's America, schools,

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<v Speaker 2>like violence that is not related to shootings is going down.

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<v Speaker 2>But what she was saying is that, like we need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to expel and suspend kids, particularly suspend

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<v Speaker 2>kids more often for bad behavior. There is actually quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of data that shows that when you suspend children,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes them more likely to offend and disrupt class

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, Like it increases the problems that you

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to be stopping. Like most conservative measures that

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of like punitive in nature, it doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>do the trick. I don't know why I'm arguing with

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<v Speaker 2>this lady, but it is important that like that's a

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<v Speaker 2>big part of how they're pitching what ultimately is a

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<v Speaker 2>plan to win the Department of Education to parents is like,

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<v Speaker 2>your schools are so dangerous for your kid, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to have a voucher to send them

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<v Speaker 2>to a private school. And we need to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to kick these underperforming black students out of schools in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make them safer for everybody, right, and shuffle

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<v Speaker 2>them off into the car serral system.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. This whole speech was kind of a coded way

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<v Speaker 3>of talking about like urban crime. She blamed this problem

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<v Speaker 3>on an Obama Biden policy to limit suspension rates, which

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<v Speaker 3>Trump undid, and yeah, said that the solution is both

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<v Speaker 3>more suspensions and more school resource officers, which the Kido

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<v Speaker 3>Institute says actually increases the number of Island instants in schools.

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<v Speaker 3>So but again, of course they're going to call for

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<v Speaker 3>more police. This is the republic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't know why we even bother like fact checking.

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<v Speaker 2>This is important because I care, like and you care,

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<v Speaker 2>and but like our audience knows, the lady that gets

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<v Speaker 2>up to talk about school policy at the RNC is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be bringing out good policy.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is just how everything works, Like this just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of underlines the alternate world that is formed in

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<v Speaker 3>places like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can't you can't fight these people with facts.

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.520
<v Speaker 2>That is the mistake liberals always make. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if we can just out argue them, if we can

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<v Speaker 2>get them, give them in front of the American people

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<v Speaker 2>and see how bankrupt their ideas are. And that's not

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<v Speaker 2>how you do it. Now. That's not to say that

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't get out and engage with them, because what

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<v Speaker 2>does work is showing the American people reminding them these

0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.200
<v Speaker 2>are freaks. These people are weird. These people are off putting,

0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.520
<v Speaker 2>These people are scary, and you don't want to be

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<v Speaker 2>around them, and by god, you don't want them with

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<v Speaker 2>their finger on the button. Like I do, think that

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<v Speaker 2>consistently works.

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<v Speaker 3>And unfortunately that freaks nature can sometimes help them, like

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<v Speaker 3>when you pull out hul covid onto stay waving an

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<v Speaker 3>American flag, calling Trump his hero and his gladiator.

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<v Speaker 2>And talking about how, yeah, all of America are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the Trump bites. That's what they're gonna call him,

0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.199
<v Speaker 2>which apparently he used to do with nWo back in

0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the day, back in his glory day. He got he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't stop himself from talking about beating Andrea the Giant

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<v Speaker 2>at WrestleMania. I think was like nineteen eighty three. He

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<v Speaker 2>made two different Andre the Giant references, both of which

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.160
<v Speaker 2>were very mean to Andre the Giant, who I wish

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Andre, No, the wrong one died.

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<v Speaker 3>Al Cogan compared the energy of the RNC to a

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<v Speaker 3>WWE match, which he is not wrong, not wrong, It's

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<v Speaker 3>very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm not gonna like Hull Cogan understands this crowd, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>More than almost more than maybe any other actual speaker. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like like Tucker kind of understands them, but Hull Cogan

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<v Speaker 3>even more so.

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<v Speaker 2>They loved him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When he ripped his shirt off.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, tank top underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the best moment of the r NC. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the moment where I was like, all right, fuck it.

0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.359
<v Speaker 3>He said that he usually stays out of politics, but

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<v Speaker 3>after what happened on Saturday, he could no longer stay silent,

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<v Speaker 3>and then spend you know, the rest of the speech

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<v Speaker 3>just praising Trump, saying how tough he is, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he's survived all these court cases, these investigations, impeachments,

0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and we need a tough man to take on like politicians, criminals,

0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and drug dealers, and no, it was it was a

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<v Speaker 3>in a week full of kind of surreal moments where

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing these people that you only interact with on

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<v Speaker 3>a screen. Yeah, you just see them walk past you

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<v Speaker 3>like all the time, every day. This was certainly one

0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.040
<v Speaker 3>of the most surreal.

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<v Speaker 2>And Cawthorne nearly hit me with his wheelchair. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not the only one I talked to with that story.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a little reckless, So I'm gonna be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe he thought you were a tree.

0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he thought it was a tree. I love that

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.520
<v Speaker 2>we saw two people, two Republicans at this convention, both

0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 2>of whom have a tragic tree story. So I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Greg Abbott.

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<v Speaker 3>They made the kind of baffling decision on the schedule

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<v Speaker 3>to put Franklin Graham after Hulk Hogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Not nice to Franklin Graham, to be honest. No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's he did the thing that like usually gets

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a good reaction, which is the prayer. Right He's there

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<v Speaker 2>to do the prayer, and this is a good crowd

0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.679
<v Speaker 2>for a prayer, right, Like, that's not a that's not

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<v Speaker 2>like a lame thing to these people. They love doing that,

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.520
<v Speaker 2>but no one's heart was fully into the prayer after

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<v Speaker 2>Hulk like, you can't you can't get the people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a tough compdown.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tough come down from Hulk Hogan ripped his

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<v Speaker 2>shirt off on stage too. Now let's bow our heads

0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and thank God.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you didn't grow up an evangelical circles of

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<v Speaker 3>Franklin Graham is the son of Billy Graham, possibly the

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<v Speaker 3>most famous pastor in American history, at least in the

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<v Speaker 3>past one hundred.

0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Years, since sinners in the hands of an angry God,

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<v Speaker 2>like the most popular man of faith in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And he closed his prayer by saying, all authority comes

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<v Speaker 3>from you, speaking of God, and we ask if it

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<v Speaker 3>be thy will that you will make America great once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a wonderful, a wonderful Christian message.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh grand So that was nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric Trump gave a very Uh he tried his best,

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically what Trump said.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, you, Hulk Hogan has just been on, Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>about to be on. It is the last night of

0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the RNC and everyone is absolutely certain of victory. So

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<v Speaker 2>as a speaker tonight, you couldn't be more teed up

0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.760
<v Speaker 2>for a good reaction, and he could barely get laughs.

0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.840
<v Speaker 2>He could barely get cheers. Like even when he did

0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the anti trans stuff, it didn't get it got a

0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.160
<v Speaker 2>muted reaction, not because people aren't bigoted, because they loved

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it when Marjorie Taylor Green did the say, they loved

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<v Speaker 2>it when Trump did Eric Trump just sucks yeah at speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>probably at everything, but he they he did not get

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<v Speaker 2>a reaction. I cannot overemphasize to you how little this

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:55.720
<v Speaker 2>crowd wanted to listen to Eric.

0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I mean he shout it out. Monster Liberty

0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.679
<v Speaker 3>said that the Trump admin we'll fight against brainwashing, and

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<v Speaker 3>schools will fight against homeless people, specifically taking resources from

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<v Speaker 3>veterans and of course trans people in sports.

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 2>He kept bringing up Ukraine to stealing resources from Americans.

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.119
<v Speaker 2>He was like the most brought up Ukraine in a

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<v Speaker 2>derogatory since more than I think any other single speaker

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<v Speaker 2>at the convention, which is interesting because his dad took

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<v Speaker 2>even a bit of a different tact with that. So yeah,

0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I found that interesting. But I did not find his

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 2>speech interesting because he is a bad speaker.

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Now. The only line I found interesting is when he

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about how all of Donald Trump's political enemies

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.200
<v Speaker 3>aren't just happy going after him, but also going to

0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 3>be going after every Republican. And he said the greatest

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.640
<v Speaker 3>retribution will be our success. Yeah, and they've been using

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 3>netword a lot this year, retribution, retribution.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he did kind of in the end,

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.480
<v Speaker 2>getted a little bit of applause. That'say. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth or sixth best standing ovation of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, he at his best, was never able to

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<v Speaker 2>really rile.

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<v Speaker 3>Them up, especially when's talking about the assassination attempt to mean, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd chounting fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what got them back on board. And interesting

0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>they loved talk about that, I think in part because

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.120
<v Speaker 2>it had been so absent earlier.

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was talking about way more today than well,

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<v Speaker 3>basically all the other days of the week combined.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and that makes sense. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the day that Trump came out to speak, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what we're going to talk about now or

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<v Speaker 3>not talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About assassinating your thirst with hopefully a soda company advertising

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. Otherwise, this ad segue is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make much sense.

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<v Speaker 3>All right time for Donald Trump himself, He's coming out

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<v Speaker 3>they set this stage, they got.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything ready d to be an American.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they announced kid Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, and he comes out and the whole

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<v Speaker 2>stage is wreathed in massive screens, like dozens of feet tall,

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>and they all are portraying fire and American.

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Flag, American flags that look kind of like they're on

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 3>fire burning.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid Rock comes out and does a rap set to

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<v Speaker 2>burning American flag surrounding him.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of just a fascinating image for the RNC.

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<v Speaker 2>The refrain is they call me Cowboy. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>like forty times, and he just kept going Trump, Trump, Trump, Fight, Fight,

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Fight in.

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<v Speaker 3>They loved it. They loved it was It was very

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 3>high energy. It was it was a concert. Everyone everyone

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 3>ever had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it got a good reaction. People were hyped up.

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>It is the loudest, stupidest thing I have ever seen

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:44.439
<v Speaker 2>in my life, but it got a really good reaction.

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>People loved Kid Rock coming out. It's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 2>that they chose to have Kid Rock basically lead directly

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to the president rather than than the Hulkster. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. If I were if I had been setting

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<v Speaker 2>this up, I would have done Franklin Graham school Lady

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Eric Trump, all the weak ones up first, and then

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.960
<v Speaker 2>probably Tucker the Hulkster kid rock you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the NS should really hire you to man their schedule.

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm available, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>So after we all kid rocked out, technically, Dana White

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 3>gave the introduction.

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Or Dana White. Yeah, they bring in Dana White, who

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>has who is the UFC CEO. Yeah, who is also

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>on video hitting his wife in the face. This is

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>not a debatable, he said. She said he is on video.

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:35.640
<v Speaker 2>You can watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And he gave a very very typical strength and

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:45.920
<v Speaker 3>security speech to introduced Trump, who emerged from behind one

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 3>of the big the big screens.

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, Proud to be an American plays and like the

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>entire crowd stands up and they're all singing along to

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Proud to be an American. They love that song.

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 3>He'd started his speech, and one of the interesting things

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 3>is that he said that he's going to tell the

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.360
<v Speaker 3>story of what happened at the assassination attempt here right now,

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 3>but won't tell it ever again because it's too painful

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 3>to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'll be interested to see how often he does,

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 2>because it is like just based on his body language,

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>because he's been out every night but not saying anything,

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>and he does has looked a bit different, and I'm

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>not going to do the whole thing. Some of the

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.679
<v Speaker 2>fucking you had some like Politico being like, it's a

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.399
<v Speaker 2>new Trump, He's become a statesman. They definitely that's what

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the RNC is trying to sell you on. That's nonsense.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 2>But he has changed in the way that like you

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>would be if you were shot in the head and survived,

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, like anyone is go like, he's not a robot, right,

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Like anyone is going to be affected by that. And

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 2>he might not have been lying. He might just have

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 2>been like, look, I have to talk about this once.

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I really don't want to keep talking about this because

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 2>it's fucked up.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, one of the parts actually felt genuine, or

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 3>we're certain sections this where he was like saying like

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm I was not supposed to be here tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>and the crowd was like.

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes you are.

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 2>He was like no, no, no, really close.

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, he was thanking God. I don't know how

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:14.239
<v Speaker 3>genuine that is for him, and how much of that's

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 3>political posture.

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yea that I don't necessarily believe.

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 3>That that's just kind of what you have to do.

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>He certainly knows that he barely made it out of

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that fucking speech.

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he pointed to thessassination attempt as a sign

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>of how divided this country has been. A very world

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 3>trying to find the guy who did this moment. And

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 3>he called the Democrats to stop the witch hunts if

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 3>they want to unify the country, saying, quote, we must

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 3>not demonize political disagreement, and the Democrats should quote stop

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 3>weaponizing the Justice Department against Trump and labeling him an

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>enemy of democracy. So he's saying the way to actually

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 3>unify this country is just to stop stop bad. Yeah,

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 3>stop saying orange man bad. That's really what he was.

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:57.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what he was getting at.

0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I you know, you get if you want

0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>to see the things that you can gain from this

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>that are useful in how to fight these people. They

0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>are scared of the attacks that portray Trump as an

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>enemy of democracy. The Project twenty twenty five focus was

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>hurting Republicans and polling and the fact that the DIMS

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>have pulled back maybe.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Not mentioned in a single speech this week.

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nobody talked up twenty twenty five. You know, even

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the Heritage Foundation. People were notably cagier about it than

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 2>you might expect in their interviews with the press. Ye,

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 2>because they do know that it's not a good it's

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>not great for them to bring up now, it's not popular.

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you know, slowly, Trump's speech got more and

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 3>more Trumpian rights, saying that Democrats are destroying our country,

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:47.120
<v Speaker 3>talking about, you know, immigrants invading our country, as he said,

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 3>he said the word invasion many, many times, Yeah, saying

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 3>that they're that, saying that legal immigrants are killing hundreds

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 3>of thousands of people a year.

0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the fentanyl thing. It's even though ninety fentyl

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 2>is brought into US sports of entry by US citizens. Yeah,

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 2>that line actually was one of the through lines that

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 2>was almost every day of this. I heard someone mention

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 2>that we've lost as many or more Americans to fentanyl

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>as we did in World War Two. At one point,

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it might have been in Trump's speech. It was even

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 2>framed as like more people have died from fentanyl than

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>died in World War Two, and like, well, no, no, no,

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people died in World War two, just

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:29.679
<v Speaker 2>not that many Americans really.

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, speaking of World War two era Germany in.

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Trump's little section, we sure did get a mention there.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 3>In Trump's little section about inflation, he gave a fascinating comment, yeah, saying, quote,

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>you can go back to Germany one hundred years ago

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 3>unquote to see the negative effects of inflation. Yeah, waiting

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 3>to like find Maar era Germany.

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you're talking about VYMR. He's talking about like

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>what immediately preceded the Nazis coming to power.

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and but like also framing it as like I'll

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>be the one to get us out of inflation, which

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 3>is very similar messaging as the fascist movements did, saying

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 3>to Germany that was in you know, in a real

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.719
<v Speaker 3>economic issue, we will be the ones to fix this

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 3>through through nationalism, closing our borders, through putting Germany first,

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Like that is it's it was. It was a very

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 3>very odd comparison for Trump to make. I don't know

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 3>how well he thought through that. I don't believe that

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 3>was this was like an intentional coded.

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Messa didn't It didn't seem like.

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't think Trump works that way.

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he definitely does have teleprompters sometimes, but he also

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>he is like a good public speaker. He doesn't just

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>stick religiously to it, you know, And that did strike

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>me as a line that may have just come right

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>out of the heart.

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, he had a few other interesting things in the economy.

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 3>He was talking a lot about increasing car manufacturing jobs,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 3>including saying the leader of the United Auto Workers should

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 3>be fired and promising to put tariffs of one hundred

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 3>to two hundred percent on all foreign made cars, which

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 3>would I'm sure do some real.

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Stuck up on your toyotas now, folks, well they make

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them in the US.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that would really help the economy.

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which is like I mean, part of the

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to say about that. One thing that's interesting.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Someone had told you, because you were the first person

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>to bring this up to me. There were strong rumors

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that really a midday before the speech started percolating that

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk was going to show up and introduce or people.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 3>I heard this from like Thursday morning.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Which may mean that they were just getting some bullshit.

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>It may mean that there were actually talks, right, I'm

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>sure because Musk has been real like Musk has been

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to get Trump's attention. Yeah, that's beyond debate. He

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>wants Trump on Twitter and he wants Trump. You know,

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>he's he's been making all these statements about how much

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>money he's going to donate to Trump and now he's

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 2>endorsing him. Now, do I actually think he's gonna give

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the RNC forty five million dollars a month? No, he's

0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>going to find some bullshit way he's going to give

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.719
<v Speaker 2>him something. But he's gonna fight. He's he's never spends

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>gives Like that's too much money for him to want

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>to spend on them, right, Like, I think he's going

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>to fuck them the way he fucks everybody over. But

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.959
<v Speaker 2>it was interesting to me how much talk there was

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of him showing up and absolutely no eelon. And in fact,

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>there was a moment where Trump was like, hey, electric

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>cars are fine for some things, but like we got

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to subsidize gas cars.

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He talked about, you know, increasing drilling in the

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 3>United States and kind of the last big topic that

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 3>he went to was the border. He pointed to the

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 3>to the little border patrol chart that he looked at

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 3>the split second before those shots fired, which saved his life.

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 3>So you can thank the border patrol chart for that.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 3>He said that Mexico and South American countries are sending

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 3>murderers and people from a sane asylums into the United States.

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>It was interesting because Naibukell of El Salvador, it keeps

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>getting brought up as like a Trumpian figure, is like,

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>this is the kind of leader Trump wants to be.

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Look at, how much, how good he's done it, like

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>stopping violent crime in El Salvador. Trump shat on him.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump accused him of sending all of El Salvador's violent

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>criminals and psychopaths to the United States, which I thought

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>was interesting.

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Actually, was it El Salvador Venezuela both?

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>He brought up both because he also brought up Venezuela

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and accused them of doing that. He said El Salvador,

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>but he also brought up Venezuela and said, maybe next

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>election will hold the RNC in Venezuela because it's so

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>peaceful now because they sent all their rapists here.

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Exactly that. Then he had the late great Hannibal Lecter line.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 3>And then immediately afterwards he said that he will enact

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 3>the largest deportation program in American history. Yeah, and that's

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 3>just what a very beautiful snapshot of the current American politic.

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And it got a great reaction, and I would say

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>that by far the most aggressive, because he really didn't

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>play any of it, much of the much of if

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>any radical left stuff. He really even didn't other than

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to say that Joe was like a bad president, the

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>country was in bad shape. He didn't like yell at

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Democrats much. The hate was mostly reserved for migrants and immigrants.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Yes. He closed by saying that we're going to be

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>building an iron dome in the United States.

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, curveball, Yeah.

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 3>And then he pivoted to saying that we will not

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 3>have men playing in women's sports, which is the first

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 3>trans reference in.

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>His whole speech, and he just kind of dropped it

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and then changed.

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>And then he immediately continued to something else. And the

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>crowd did not react to that nearly as much as

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 3>they reacted to any of the other mentions of like

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 3>trans people.

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I think because it just kind of he just kind

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>of threw it out there, but then we're right back to.

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 3>It was almost like a perfunctory line, like knew he

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 3>had again and.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Drop a line about because I think it is perfunctory

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 2>because again, Trump doesn't really care all that much about

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>the culture, like the social stuff.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that is that's pretty much what they closed

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 3>the speech on most mostly on this migrant stuff, this

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 3>iron dome thing, and increase increasing the increasing the manufacturing

0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 3>jobs in the United States, which is you know a

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 3>lot of a lot of what Trump's messaging was back

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>at twenty sixteen as well.

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, in a way, it was mostly him

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>playing the hits. You know, we had the there was.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>He did bring out Corey Contempori's firefighter's uniform. It was

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 2>on stage behind him the whole time. He kissed it.

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 3>At one point walked up to it and I thought

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 3>he was going for a hug and I was like, Oh,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna be weird, and instead he went up behind

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 3>and kissed it, which was also weird.

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:22.959
<v Speaker 2>It kind of did a Joe Biden to the dead

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Man's firefighter.

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 3>It was a very Joe Biden.

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 2>And he brought up Corey. He brought also up the

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:30.439
<v Speaker 2>other people who were wounded. He named them all, which

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, you I makes sense, you have to do it.

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>He didn't really talk much about Corey beyond that, Like

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Corey was there as a prop. He kissed it and

0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 2>then he.

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Gave a five second moment of silence, a very brief

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 3>moment of silence.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>And then they moved on. And when his speech ended

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>for the night, Garrison and I both saw this was

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 2>beautiful moments to share with you, Garret. You and I

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>have shared some moments, but this was. This is right

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 2>up at the top of the list as all of

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the the whole convention, the whole ceiling is balloons, right,

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>They've got them up there. They have some sort of

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 2>system by which, like at the end they trigger it

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and they all start falling down and they'll fall for

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>ten fifteen minutes. Like there's a lot of balloons and

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 2>it's rigged so that they're and you know, some of

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>them are red, white and blue. A lot of them

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>are like gold, huge gold balloons. And the last sight

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 2>we get, you know, as as Trump is on stage

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 2>with his family, balloons are showering the crowds everywhere streaming.

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 3>They're they're celebrating what they see as as an inevitable victory.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, two stage crew guys take Corey's uniform and wheel

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>it unceremoniously off stage into darkness. As quietly wheels balloons

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.280
<v Speaker 2>poured down and everyone dances and cheeks.

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 3>No one, no one notices We're done.

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like Frank Grime's caskets sinking into the into the dirt,

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>and the Simpsons like no one sees, no one sees.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Very unceremoniously, very quietly, very quickly just wheeled off, and

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>what we needed from him, the celebration continues. And also

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 3>they spelled his name wrong on the fire to be

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 3>it was previously spelled.

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's I think it was an issue of

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>when he was a firefighter. They just could only have

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 2>so many letters on the jackets. But you know, there

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>was some talk about that. I have seen a lot

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>of folks making the comparison to Horst Wessel, who was

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a German member of the Brown Shirts. He was also

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a pimp who gets got murdered by some communists in

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>retaliation for acts of violence he had carried out right

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>before the Third Reich took power, and they they really

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 2>made a lot out of his death. He got this

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 2>massive state funeral, They had a very popular song about him.

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>He was kind of he was kind of the individual

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>chosen to embody all of the guys who died in

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the street fights prior to the rights of the party,

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>and people have been comparing Cory to Horst. I get why,

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>because this is we are watching a fascist party near

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>power here, and there's clearly some desire in that for

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Corey to be that. Horst was the focus of almost

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not almost of the cult, and what I saw

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>here was a perfunctory Well, we got to mention this guy. Uh,

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>we got to, like, you know, make a reference to him.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>But let's let's get in and out of that. We

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 2>got to move on to the meat and potatoes. That's

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 2>not gonna win us. And I think what is like

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the the swing voters and shit, don't care about Corey contemporary, right,

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>that's not gonna that's our base is going to expect

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>us to say something. It's also just like the thing

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>you do. This guy got killed at your rally with

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a bulletmint for you. You got to bring up something,

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>But then let's move on. Let's get him out of there,

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's shove his fucking uniform into the fucking back closet

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>and uh, get back to the party, you know. And

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>that is different from how the Nazis handled Horsed. And

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that difference, maybe it signals a real difference

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>in the structure of American fascism, you know, and how

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it inhabits a party, or maybe it's just a measure

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>of we're not all fully bought in on this to

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>the extent in the same way that the Nazis were, right, like,

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>we really are trying to just get a lot of

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 2>people on board to vote for us, and we don't

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>want to get too weird with it. We don't want

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>to have a big cult for Corey at the r NC,

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 2>the big religious state that's got to be off putting

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to Americans. So let's we'll kiss the hat people like firefighters,

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>shove it back. That's how I took that.

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.959
<v Speaker 3>There's two other things I want to mention. I've had

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 3>jd Vance's Hype song stuck in my head, boy, Yeah,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 3>because they just kept playing it at that convention, and

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 3>it's an interesting song. It has, it has a good beat.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:35.720
<v Speaker 3>It for most of the song it's talking about how,

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, we spend all this time trying to like

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.719
<v Speaker 3>liberate other countries, right, and maybe actually we're the ones

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 3>that need to be liberated. Maybe maybe America actually needs

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 3>to be saved. Maybe we aren't as free as what

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 3>we would think and it has a line about like

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:51.720
<v Speaker 3>getting out of Iraq.

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 2>We got to get out of we got to get

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>out of Iraq, take our country back and put America first.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 3>And I mean that is the point that where they

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 3>lose me. Obviously, it's it's still it's still interesting for

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.799
<v Speaker 3>one of them, like for the Vice President's song at

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 3>the r n C to be anti Iraqs. I'm like, hey,

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>there there are people telling you back then not to

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 3>do Iraq and you really wanted to.

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 2>We heard it for the first time on Monday when

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Vance got officially announced as the nominee, and I kind

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 2>of wondered then if like is this a fuck up?

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Was like somebody they were like, oh, there's a Merle

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Haggard song about America first, let's throw that in there,

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 2>And then realized, oh, no, there's we We can't have that.

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>We're the party who did the Iraq stuff. But it

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>kept coming up, kept being played. So it's very intentional, clearly.

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 3>And we were talking last night about this and like

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 3>how how this is how these tip sort of nationalist

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 3>projects always work. And we've seen more America first like

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 3>that that exact phrase used at this convention way more

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 3>than any any previous one. Trump said it a few times.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 3>A lot of speakers have been saying it just like

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 3>we need to put up America first, and yeah, no

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 3>specifically in this song, you know, it has it has

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 3>this kind of populist bent that then is very hard nationalist, yeah,

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 3>which I'm sure we're all familiar with as a political tendency.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 3>But I've just thought I found that to be the

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 3>most interesting part is because for like the majority of

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 3>that song, I'm like, yes, absolutely, I agree. And then

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 3>and and then they say the America first line, and

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, that is not that is not what

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about. It's yeah, And I just know it's

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 3>It's was something I've been thinking about, and I'm sure

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 3>we'll want I'm sure we'll do some more deep dives

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>on Vance in the coming weeks, since he's a little bit,

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:32.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, less well known to many of you, I assume.

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 3>And the last thing I kind of want to mention

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 3>is that yesterday, right before Trump's speech, I was getting

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 3>some work done and I happened to be sitting about

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 3>ten feet away from Ted Cruz, who was who was

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 3>talking on air about his thoughts on like both this

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 3>this convention and this election in general. And he said

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 3>a few interesting things that I half heard that I

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.799
<v Speaker 3>that I quickly just scribbled down on a notebook. He

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 3>said that, you know, this convention already feels like a celebration, right,

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>this already feels like like we've kind of won. But

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 3>he warned Republicans to be scared of over confidence. He

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 3>said that we're kind of acting like how the Democrats

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 3>were acting in twenty sixteen. I have been saying that

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 3>all week. Yeah, and that's that's what Ted Cruz was saying. Yeah,

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 3>he thinks that that that Biden is not going to

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>be the candidate. That someone else is going to come

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:26.879
<v Speaker 3>into place.

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 3>He believes that that's gonna be Michelle Obama, which unhinged.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Opinion, unbelievable because like, do I think Michelle Obama would

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 2>have a decent shot at winning the presidency in this election? Sure?

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Do I think Michelle Obama wants to go anywhere near

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 2>the White House again in her life?

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Now?

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>It's like a nightmare. She's making movies, they're produced, they're

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.240
<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood. You're doing the thing people when.

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 3>They're doing what Ted Cruz wants to do.

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>When people are allowed to make big Hollywood movies. They

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>don't want to get into politics for a long time.

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>That's how we avoided having fascist and power in this

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 2>country and like like direct power, like like Trump type

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:05.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of fascists.

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 3>We're very lucky that Clint Eastwood just makes movies and

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do pology.

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Are the people who would be the best we have?

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, you have fascists like stuck inside of the bureaucracy,

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>But the people who could really have the potential charisma

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 2>to be populist leaders wind up becoming movie stars. Tom

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Cruise could have been a president. Oh he's he's got

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>what it takes. But he decided to devote all of

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>that manic kind of charisma energy into climbing the bersh Khalifa.

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's part of the genius of the American system.

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, guess lastly, Milwaukee was lovely. All the

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 3>food service workers Milwaukee's great. Even the poor people who

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.720
<v Speaker 3>were forced to work at the convention center consistently nice,

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>did a great job. And there's there's one one anecdote

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 3>that Robert should mention a.

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Just regardless of a favorite part of the convintion, some

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of the very fine people here in Milwaukee and shouted

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 2>my occasional enemy, well, always enemy, but occasionally I remember

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 2>that he exists. Andy know made a series of posts

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>about how there was a dangerous Antifa terrorist at the

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>convention and like clipped a couple of posts of mine

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 2>out of context like he always does, and was like,

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, people in his mentions were tagging the Secret

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Service in the FBI, it serves Laura Lumer. I continued

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to repeatedly enter the RNC I went through. God, I

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 2>lost count of how many times I went through Secret

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Service checkpoints. We snuck into the Heritage Foundation party. None

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of it mattered. The only people at the show who

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>recognized me were like technical folks for the different radio.

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a couple of different people who were carrying

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>booms carrying cameras who like referenced, like recognized me and

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>shouted me out, which I felt good about. What I

0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>felt best about is as you and I were walking

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to the stadium to see the speech, we see a

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>forklift driving down the street.

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 3>In the middle of the security one of the crowded streets,

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 3>which is kind of crazy.

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 2>It's weird. I've never actually seen a construction vehicle driving

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>around inside the during like the convention hours. So that

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 2>was weird. And as we're like watching this thing, like

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I honestly wondered, like should I like get a footage

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.319
<v Speaker 2>of this that's kind of wild looking as we as

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we see it like kind of coming up next to us,

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the driver leans out of the side of the vehicle

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and he is a beautiful man covered in tattoos, huge

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>nos ring and he's like, hey.

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Roberts, we we have the forklift demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing has ever made me so certain that we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing with our lives. We're reaching the people

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be reaching.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we forklift certified soldiers out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So Forklift Nation, thank you for listening to It could

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<v Speaker 2>Happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>We do this for you.

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<v Speaker 2>We do this for you. We know you have our

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<v Speaker 3>Stay save everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, God blessed.

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