1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk the Grand Ole Opry is just this 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: classic top of the mountain type of thing, and to 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: get asked to do it is just something that I 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: will never forget. And I remember during rehearsal, because you 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: get a short rehearsal when you do it your first time. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: They're like, do you want to practice in the circle 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, oh, well I stand 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: in the circle until we're doing the real thing. It 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: feels weird. I don't want to jump the gun. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast hosted by Buzznight, 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: the podcast that runs the gamut from rising stars to 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: Hall of Famers. On this episode, our guest is Cassie Ashton, 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: a rising star in the country world. Cassie is a 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: singer songwriter part of the UMG Nashville family. She's described 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: as someone with a little bit of rock, a hell 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: of a lot of soul, and a throwback R and 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: B groove. She's making her mark with new music, a tour, 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: and a whole lot of passion and contagious and joined 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: Buzz Night as he hosts Cassie Ashton on this episode 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: of Taking a Walk. 21 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 3: Well, Cassie, it's so great to have you on the 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk podcast, albeit virtually. 23 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you for having me. 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: If we were walking in person, where would be uh, 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: we'd be walking and would we be smoking some butts 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 3: along the way. 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: I would say in Nashville, we could probably go for 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: a walk at Centennial Park. It's always really really lovely. 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of cloudy today, but I don't mind the clouds. 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: And if you do want to be smoking when we're walking, 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm down with it. 32 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: Whatever. Whatever, Well, I just know we'd be having fun. 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: But we're gonna have fun right now. Listen. You absolutely 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: killed it when I saw you both times at the 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: Rhyme and at the CRS in particular, this last time around, 36 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: that foremance of called Crazy was just so awesome. Everybody 37 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 3: was talking about it. I've told everybody about it, and 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: it was just wonderful and jaw dropping. 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I love UMG's CRS event at 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: the Rhymen, because when else do you get to see 41 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: that many country music artists and huge stars Chris Stapleton, 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: You know, everybody's there that quickly and all at one time, 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: and you know it's exciting and it's nerve wracking just 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: because you're singing on the same stage in the same 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: hour and a half with all of your favorites, and 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: you're in front of a bunch of people who probably 47 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: watch shows every single weekend, and you just got to 48 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: give them a little some extra. 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: Well, you were great last year, but I really felt 50 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: with this one that you came to a moment in 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 4: time that I feel it was sort of historic for 52 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: you because it was just it was just so awesome, 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: and you seem like you were in such a good 54 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 4: vibe for it. 55 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. I think it really stems from, you know, 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: even though I'm a baby artist, I've been doing this 57 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: career for a while now and I've been on stage 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: my entire life, and I just feel like I just 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: know who I am and i know what I'm doing. 60 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: And this song called Crazy is one of the most 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: me songs I have ever written in my life. I mean, 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: we got the chorus done when we were writing it myself, 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: Jared Kim and Emily Wiseband, and I just was like 64 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: giggling and kicking my feet because I was like, this 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: is it. This has never been more me while also 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: being so commercial at the same time. And so you know, 67 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: I got my cheet of pants on in the rhymemen, 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: I'm ready, you know, to come out and say no, 69 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm ready to be taken seriously. This is who I 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: am and I know what I'm doing. So thank you 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: for saying that. 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: Would you give that little introduction that you gave, which 73 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: was so unbelievable for our audience. 74 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I will, okay, So I told myself, I said 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: this to environment, I said, I told myself that I 76 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: was not going to give the speech that I give 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: in bars to all the drunk woo girls board or 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. I usually say. 79 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 5: Ladies, and you know, they woo whoo, you know, and 80 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 5: if they don't woo loud enough, you say ladies again, 81 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 5: and I say, have you ever been on a first 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 5: date or fifth date? 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know your business, whatever it is, And you 84 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: make the mistake of asking about x's and the person 85 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: you're on the date with starts talking about that one 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: crazy girl. And on the outside, you know, you've got 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: your wine glass in your hand, you're thinking, hmmm, wow, 88 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: that's crazy. I can't believe that she acted like that. 89 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: But on the inside you are thinking I'm worse, and 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: everyone laughs. The wu girls woo, you know, and I say, 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: and she should call me next time because what she 92 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: did was amateur and I could give her some tips. 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: And you know, the WU girls scream and they throw, 94 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, their drinks in there, and then I say, 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: but ladies, and then they woo and I say, put 96 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: it on my gravestone. Any man who has ever called 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: me crazy has called me again. And they scream and 98 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: then we sing and it's it's hilarious. I love it. 99 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: So tell me about that moment I think it was, 100 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: if I have it correct. March fifteenth, twenty twenty three, 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: when you played this other special venue in Nashville, Marchfield. 102 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Oh, the Rhymen or the Grand Opry, Yeah, the Grand 103 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: Old Opry. Yes, I made my Grand ol Opry debut. 104 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: You know which. Any person you ask, they tell the 105 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: truth when they say. That is something as a child, 106 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: if you have known since you were a child that 107 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: you wanted to be a country music singer, that's like 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: top three moments that you think of when you think 109 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I want to be a country music singer. There are 110 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: other goals that happened along the way, or things that 111 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: come along that you realize would be an honor to do. 112 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Farther down the line when you're you know, more intelligent 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: about the industry or whatever. But the grandele Opry is 114 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: just this classic top of the mountain type of thing, 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and to get asked to do it is just something 116 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: that I will never forget. And I remember during rehearsal, 117 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: because you get a short rehearsal when you do it 118 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: your first time. They're like, do you want to practice 119 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: in the circle? And I was like, no, no, oh, 120 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: why it's dan in the circle until we're doing the 121 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: real thing. It feels weird. I don't want to jump 122 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: the gun. And it went beautifully, and it's kind of 123 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: like all a blur, you know. You go in hoping 124 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: that it feels like it lasts all day, but you're 125 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: actually it feels like about fifteen minutes, six hours you know, 126 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: of interviews and whatever in practice and actually getting to it, 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of hours and it feels 128 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: about like fifteen minutes. So you just try to hold 129 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: onto it as much as you can. 130 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 3: And savor the moment, right. 131 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: And savor the moment and try not to cry the 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: whole time. I don't even consider myself like really a 133 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: public crier. And I went to sing because I, you know, 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: you sing two songs at the grandele Opry, and I 135 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: always promised some members of my family that the first 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: time I sang at the Opry, I would do a 137 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: cover one of the old country songs that I grew 138 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: up singing. So I sang help Me make It through 139 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: the Night by Sammy Smith, and then I sang drive 140 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: You Out of My Mind, my single at the time, 141 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: and I started the intro of helped Me Make It 142 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Through the Night started playing, and I was getting so 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: choked up, just because I guess the memory of singing 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: that song as a little girl, you know, in the 145 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: kitchen or in my bedroom or on the back of 146 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: a Gooseneck horse trailer, you know, like whatever it may be, 147 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of felt no pun intended because 148 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I was standing in a circle full circle. 149 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: Well stated, thank you you have this, this your own sound. 150 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: I think you transcend genres. I mean I hear sometimes 151 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: I hear Amy Winehouse sometimes, you know, obviously I hear 152 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: Reba Bonnie Rait. Maybe thank you, Ricky Lee Jones, that's 153 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: really cool, Eda James. 154 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 155 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: Tell me growing up the influences that were around a 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: very musical household. 157 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: I mean you hit the nail on the head. All 158 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: those are compliments to me, and all of those are 159 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: like key artists in my upbringing. I always tell people 160 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: that I grew up on classic country, but more so 161 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: than that, my parents are split. So I lived at 162 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: my mom's most of the time and went to visit 163 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: my dad on the weekends. And there were only females 164 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: in my mom's household, me, my mom, and my older sister, 165 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: and my mom sings too, my older sister sings too, 166 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: And it was strictly power females in our house. A 167 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: genre list sort of if a woman had been through 168 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: struggle and had some grit and was like, you know, 169 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: would wave her a crylic fingernail in your face. That 170 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: was what we were listening to. So it was everything 171 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: from like you said, Edda, Aretha, Loretta Reba, I mean, 172 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: fancy was like the national anthem in our house. If 173 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: you got the words wrong, you were grounded. Like that 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: got you in more trouble than most other things in 175 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: my childhood. And so I really appreciate when people compare 176 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: me to different absolute legends in different genres, because to me, 177 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: they all say the same thing, no matter if it's 178 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a guitar playing with them, or the peace or if 179 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: it's sol or if it's country, it's like, no, we're 180 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: women and we've overcome this thing, and we've got some 181 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: stories in our voice, and we're just trying to tell them. 182 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: Do you remember the first time you knew you were 183 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: going to be in music for your life? 184 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I was basically told when I popped into 185 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: the world that I could sing, right because, like I said, 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: my mom sings, my older sister sings. And I was 187 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: handed a microphone at We have a video of me, 188 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I was maybe four years old on the back of 189 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: a Gooseneck trailer in my hometown for a karaoke competition, 190 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: and I sang Mary had a Little Lamb, and apparently 191 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I'd know this, there's more than one verse to that, 192 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: and I couldn't read, so I just danced around in 193 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: circles on the stage and wagged my hand like my 194 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: mom always did, and sang the same verse to Mary 195 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: had a Little Lamb over and over and over again, 196 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: and I just that was the only option for me. Ever, 197 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,479 Speaker 1: it wasn't even like I had to debate or consider anything. 198 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: My mom would sneak me into karaoke bars and bowling alleys, 199 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: and my favorite song to sing was My Heart Will 200 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: Go On from the Titanic, and I couldn't read yet, 201 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: so she would stand behind me and whisper the words 202 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: into my ear, and then she tells me that if 203 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: people clap too loud, the noise would scare me and 204 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: we would have to leave. So this, this has always 205 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: been it. And luckily someone told me a while back, 206 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: don't ever have a plan B, because if you have 207 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: a Plan B, you just give up on Plan A 208 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: too easy. If you have one option, then you will 209 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: be desperate to make that option come true. 210 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: Not even close in terms of not having a plan B. 211 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Nope. 212 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, where did you get your your sense of humor? 213 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: No, I think a couple things. I'll tell you three. 214 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: I'll tell you the three things, and I'm being so realistic. 215 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: So this might be a little. 216 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: Day. 217 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be a little one because no, no, 218 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: mostly my joke. If somebody's like, how are you so funny? 219 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I say childhood trauma, which is hilarious, but it's also true. 220 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: You know, you don't. You don't exactly become funny by 221 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: like always being the most welcomed, you know, normal kid 222 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: you become funny because you have to make jokes in 223 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: order to get through bullying or or uncomfortable things, or 224 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: insecurity or whatever. I think that played a big part 225 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: of it. My dad is also hysterical. He's just one 226 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: of those people that can be best friends with strangers 227 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: and make them laugh all night long. And I think 228 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: I was raised around his sense of humor. And then 229 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: I think the little cherry on top is I was 230 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: a theater nerd all like, my entire childhood, you know, 231 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: into my teens, you know, president of the drama club, 232 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: state speech, you know. I was in theater my whole life. 233 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: And I find the art of comedic timing to be 234 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: so interesting. Like you, you can write a script all 235 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: day long, but if you don't have the timing, it 236 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: just is not gonna hit. 237 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: If we were jaw boning at the at the bar 238 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: and you were telling jokes or just jawboning back, would 239 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: I be blushing at some of the things you'd be saying. 240 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know. I guess the blushing is subjective. 241 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: If you have found my sense of humor probably is 242 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: not like the cleanest. It's a little, it's a little, 243 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: it gets in the gun or tiptoes and. 244 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: A blushing I love it. I love that take us 245 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: inside a writing session, give us the inside process, what 246 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: you love about it, maybe the things you don't like 247 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: about it, and when you know it's really working. 248 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I usually do three ways, so me and 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: two other people. If I'm not writing by myself, which 250 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I do write by myself to try to keep, you know, 251 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: the skill sharpened, and to really ask myself what do 252 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: you have to say when you don't have someone present 253 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: to give feedback. But traditionally it's a three way. One 254 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: person is usually someone who can also build tracks, so 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: they can make a little something to go with it, 256 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: so that we don't have to just do a guitar 257 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: vocal on our voice memos on our phone. One of us. 258 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm I consider myself just as much a lyric person 259 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: as I am a melody person. I don't consider one 260 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: of those to be stronger than the other, and so 261 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: usually I try to get in the room with someone 262 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: who one is a melody and one is a lyric person, 263 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: so that you know it's balanced, or two people who 264 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: are both. And I love writing with other people, especially 265 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: when your friendship is really strong and they know you 266 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: because as the artist, they're trying to write for you. 267 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: So you've got to play this little game of I've 268 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: got to run a line from my brain to their brain, 269 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: and so we can kind of all try to think 270 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: as one. And I find that to be really vulnerable 271 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: and really exciting and really beautiful because if it's done 272 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: correctly and they're trying to write a song for me, 273 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: one songwriter may say something that I myself would have 274 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: said in such an intimate way that you feel so 275 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: seen as a human. There's a therapy aspect to co 276 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: writing that you might really get to feel seen and understood, 277 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: especially if you're writing something with any kind of true 278 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: sentimental value to your life, or maybe you're writing a 279 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: song about pieces of their life, or in the best 280 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: case scenario, the song is a common topic that we've 281 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: all felt vulnerable about and we're all sharing and it's 282 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: really gorgeous. And I think what's also amazing about Nashville 283 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: is we kind of tell our secrets in these rooms. 284 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: We pull our heart out of its little cavity in 285 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: our chest and we sit it out in front of 286 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: our friends and we say, this is what I have 287 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: to offer, and you hope that they do the same thing, 288 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: and we kind of share ourselves and spread ourselves all 289 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: over the room and hope that they're going to be 290 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: there to catch you and not take any pieces of 291 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: you out of the room with them. And there isn't 292 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: much about co writing that I don't love because it's 293 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: like we as three people, get to make this little 294 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: piece for the world that at least one person outside 295 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: of the room probably really needs. You know, That's why 296 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: we write songs. I started writing poems in middle school 297 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to feel alone. I write poems 298 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: for just myself so maybe I could feel like I 299 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: wasn't insane. And then as you grow into adulthood and 300 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: you mature, you think, oh, other people need that, and 301 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: they don't have the skill that I have, so I 302 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: have to give them. I have to give this to 303 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: them as a gift. And so to do that with 304 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: your friends is just so lovely. 305 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 306 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 307 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: Talk about some of your favorite collaborators that really bring 308 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: the best out of you. 309 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: So one of them, for sure is my producer Luke Laird. 310 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: He just we just get each other and we both 311 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: think the same thing is cool, which is one of 312 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: the key key parts to writing a good song with 313 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: someone is you guys have to have the same subjective 314 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: opinion about what you think sounds cool, because if I 315 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: think something sounds cool and you think it sounds awful, 316 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: we're never We're never going to agree ever. And Luke 317 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: and I are very like we're on the same page 318 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: of this is a gift that we have, and this 319 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: is an art and we are never ever going to 320 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: force it or make ourselves miserable in doing it, because 321 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: that's not what it's about. So he's taught me so 322 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: many things from just like, hey, this is what we do. 323 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: We believe in ourselves. We're supposed to be here. If 324 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: we're having a hard time and we're stuck, we'll stop 325 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: and we'll start writing a song that's completely opposite, maybe 326 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: with no intent of finishing it, and come back to 327 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: what we were doing, like this is breezy. You don't 328 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: have to be so hard on yourself. This isn't There's 329 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: an art to this, and some days it's easy and 330 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: some days it's not. Also another guy that Creative Nation, 331 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: my publishing companies signed about two years ago. Oscar Charles. 332 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: He does tracks. He's also a producer. He's brilliant. He's 333 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: one of those people where if we're making a song 334 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: in the key of C and his heater is humming 335 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: and e flat, he'll go turn his heater off, like 336 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: I can't hear that sort of thing. Or he'll like 337 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: hear a fly buzzing in the high frequency that they 338 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: make and he'll be like, we have to find that 339 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: fly because it's not in the key of the song 340 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: that we're doing, and I'm gonna go crazy. And it's 341 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: amazing to watch him work because like Luke, they're both 342 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: incredibly humble individuals who are just like, this is an 343 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: art that we do and we just work at it 344 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: and we have no ego, and they're both brilliant. They're 345 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: so brilliant. So Luke, actually we co produce all my 346 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: songs and then Oscar and I do the vocals, and 347 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: Oscar produces the vocals. And I could not for all 348 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: the new music I'm making and songs like called Crazy 349 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: and songs like drive You Out of My Mind Dark 350 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: Room Edition, that kind of version that I did in 351 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: my last single, I could not have the sound and 352 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: the words in the heart that I have in my 353 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: music without those two. 354 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: Talk about violins, which I absolutely love. That's such a 355 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: I love violins. Talk about that song and what that 356 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 3: means to you. 357 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: Thank you? Okay, So violins is a song. H I 358 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: wrote that song probably six years ago. Five years ago, 359 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: six years ago. I was writing with two co writers, 360 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Luke Dick and Nataliehimby, both incredibly brilliant, strange individuals in 361 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: the most beautiful I prefer the strange ones. Natalie you've 362 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: probably heard of. Natali Himby is one of the most 363 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: gifted songwriters and vocalists that we have in all of Nashville. Like, 364 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: if she would have chosen the route to be an artist, 365 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, a long time ago before she chose Grammy 366 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: Award winning songwriter, I mean, she could have taken over 367 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: the world. And Luke Dick is like he used to 368 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: teach philosophy and he smokes out of his pipe and 369 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: he says the most brilliant, weird, off kilter things. And 370 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I was telling them a story about how you know 371 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: you probably heard this before. My dad used to tease 372 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: me if I was whining as a kid, and he'd 373 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: be like, oh, he'd rub his fingers together, you know, 374 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: his pointer finger to his thumb. He'd say, Oh, I'm 375 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: plaguing the world smallest violin. Oh could you hear it all? 376 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: To accompany your wines? And I was telling them that 377 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: and Natalie literally sang, I'm not joking. Off the jump, 378 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: she goes, I can't hear the violins playing, and then 379 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: it was like she wrote the chorus. And I was 380 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: just sitting there cause I had maybe been in my 381 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: publishing deal a year, right, so I was still intimidated, 382 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: and she was brilliant. So I'm just sitting there like 383 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: gripping the chair, like holding on for dear life while 384 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: I watched this explosion of brilliance. And we just got 385 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: to be so sassy and you know, say things that 386 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: you wouldn't usually peg as buzzwords in country music. And 387 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: then when I went to label and I said, I 388 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: want to make a music video where there's a band 389 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: and we're like and the bleachers, and like, can we 390 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: set things on fire? And they were like no, but 391 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: we just had this great time. I adore that whole 392 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: season of music. 393 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 3: At the time, we had this other sassy musician on 394 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: a previous episode of taking a walk. Name Amanda Shires. 395 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could picture you guys really making some magic. 396 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. I have never met her in person, but 397 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: I like follow her on all social media, and I 398 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: think she's brilliant and I can tell that she's one 399 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: of those sassy figures, so I would love that. 400 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: And she did say as far as the High Women, 401 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: that she thinks it could become where there's other folks 402 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: who sort of float in and out of the High Women, 403 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: so you know, you never know. For oh my god, 404 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: I think it'd be an amazing, unbelievable and boy, Dates and 405 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 3: Pickup Trucks infectious, tell me about that song, thank you. 406 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: So I wrote Dates and Pickup Trucks with Luke Laird, 407 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: who I just talked about, and a guy named David 408 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: Garcia and who does a bunch of carry underwood stuff. 409 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: He's a brilliant track guy. And we were not trying 410 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: to write a single. We weren't aiming for radio, we 411 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: weren't really aiming for anything. I had the idea. I 412 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: went to Luke and I knew he was gonna laugh 413 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: at me, and I said, I want to write a 414 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: song called Dates and Pickup Trucks, which is the most 415 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, be honest, that title, if you saw it 416 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: on a piece of paper is cringe. You know, you're like, 417 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: what in the country AI algorithm? Is this like dates 418 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: pickup trucks, Like I always tell the joke that it 419 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: sounds like my tractor's green in my cowgo's move like 420 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: it just is a very cliche thing. But I was 421 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: telling him and I was like, yeah, but sound because 422 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: Luke and I both love nineties country and nineties R 423 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: and B. And I was like, remember the burnt CDs 424 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: that we used to make with like both of those 425 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: genres and you go driving around, go gravel roading and 426 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: do things that you weren't supposed to do in your 427 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: tiny town. I go, let's make it sound like that, 428 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: like it belongs on this CD. And so he started 429 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: playing the guitar part that you hear on that song, 430 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: and it was just this fun thing that we did. 431 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: And the idea came from my grandma calling me one 432 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: day and telling me she was giggling and she does 433 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: not giggle at all ever, and I was like, what 434 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: is wrong with Grandma? Why's she giggling? And she told 435 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: me how her and my grandpa, who have been dating 436 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: since have been married since they were like fifteen, went 437 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: on a date in a pickup truck and she made dinner, 438 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: and they drove around old roads in my hometown that 439 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: they haven't they don't drive on regularly, and then they 440 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: ate in the back of the truck. And I was like, 441 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: this is the most adorable thing I have ever heard 442 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: in my life. That my grandparents, who have been married 443 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: for a million years, who live in the same town 444 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: they grew up in, decided to make a date out 445 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: of it like they're teenagers. And so I just was 446 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: so touching. And I used to tell a really funny 447 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: kind of gutter tiptoeing story about that song. And I 448 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: would always tell people. I'd be like, if you film this, 449 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: don't let my grandma see this. She's not gonna be happy. 450 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 3: Cassie. Imagine if you took me to a Thanksgiving dinner 451 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: at your California, Missouri home and you introduced me to 452 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: some of the characters in your family, who would some 453 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: of those characters be? 454 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: Okay? So, my dad's name is Terry. He is like 455 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: one of my best friends. We look alike, we act 456 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: the same, we have the same mustache. He said by 457 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: bleach mine and he leaves is alone, and he is 458 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: gonna bring to Thanksgiving. He's probably gonna bring wild turkey 459 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: and not the animal. Uh, He's gonna be a paper 460 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: bag brown turkey. He would absolutely talk your ear off 461 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: if you would allow him to, so you just walk 462 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: away if he talks too much. My aunt Tammy is 463 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: his sister. She is the boss of the family, and 464 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: she will let you know. She will be wearing crocs, 465 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: but only the kind with the fur on the inside, 466 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: and she will be sitting in her recliner telling everyone 467 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: what to do, without actually doing any of the things 468 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: that she's telling people to do. My grandpa is hilarious 469 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: and very dry, very dry humor, kind of kind of 470 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, sarcastic, smart ass. But only if he can 471 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: hear you, So only if he can hear the conversation 472 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: that you're having. If he can't, he's perfectly nice because 473 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: he has nothing to say. And you would meet my 474 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: little brother, who is six years younger than me. He 475 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: has a mullet by choice. He's like six' four and, 476 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: amazing very. Kind it would he would be if you were, like, 477 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: HEY i need my oil, change she would just go 478 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: outside and start changing. It my little, sister who is 479 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: three years younger than me and Has down, syndrome would 480 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: also be there drinking her wine, coolers and you would 481 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: see that we have been trying to convince her for 482 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: the past couple of years to flip people, off but 483 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: she refuses to do. It and we try to tell, Her, 484 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: ali you Have down, syndrome you have the perfect like escape. 485 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: Card you can flip people. Off nobody's gonna say anything 486 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: because you Have down. Syndrome and she won't do, it 487 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: but she gives you the, eyes the mean eyes that, 488 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: like don't that say the same things as the middle, 489 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: Finger and we try to explain that to her and 490 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: she won't do. It and my aunts and uncles and 491 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: some of my cousins would be there and and there 492 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: would be a lot of home cooked. Food SO i 493 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: hope that you would be wearing some sort of stretchy 494 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: pant or maybe low would be on a shame to 495 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: unbutton the top of your jeans after, eating and you 496 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: are not on a diet or have any hard, conditions 497 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: because this will not be the meal for. 498 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: You oh that's so. Visual now what's your favorite? Meal? 499 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Okay favorite fried deer. Steak we fry like chicken in my, 500 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: family fried deer, steak mashed, potatoes and. PEAS i put 501 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: the peas on top of mashed, potatoes corn on the, 502 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: cob and homemade bread with homemade jam and sweet. Tea. 503 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, Healthy, yeah that's WHAT i. Said it looks so, 504 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: Healthy that's WHAT i. 505 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: SAID i hope you don't have any your conditions because 506 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: it would not be it would not be the. 507 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: Meal music is very important to you in your, life 508 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: and we actually produced this other. Podcast it's hosted By 509 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: Lynn hoffman and it's Called Music Saved. Me it's about 510 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: the power of, music the healing power of. Music and 511 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: you went through some health challenges in your, life certainly 512 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: that you. Conquered do you believe music has healing? Power? 513 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. ABSOLUTELY i mean on a spiritual, level and to, 514 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: me even on a physical, LEVEL i believe in frequency 515 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: healing and what it does for the body to sort 516 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: of relax under certain. Sounds and then on a spiritual, 517 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: level LIKE i was talking about earlier with the co writing, 518 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: SCENARIO i think it does wonders to everything into a 519 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: physical to feel. Understood and that's what music is. For 520 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: it's to be a universal language and a sort of 521 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: universal heart and soul that you can share with. Strangers 522 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: and what is more healing than that than to hear's 523 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: something that maybe you thought was only your, issue or 524 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 1: something that you were going, through or something that no 525 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: one would ever understand so perfectly illustrated in lyrics or 526 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: in music, itself and to know, that, hey if other 527 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: people feel, this then there have been other people that 528 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: have gotten through, this and that means THAT i have 529 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: a really good chance of doing that as. 530 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: Well if there was someone who is not on this 531 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: planet anymore that you admire and that you could just 532 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 3: snap your fingers and collaborate, with who would it? 533 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: Be before you got to the collaborate. Part my grandma 534 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: passed away last, year AND i would stap my fingers 535 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: for my. Grandma she would not, sing she would not, 536 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: sing she would not, write BUT i would give. HER 537 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: i would give her songwriting credit she wanted, it if 538 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: she wanted to be in the. ROOM i would bring 539 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: my grandma. Back because she was the, strongest like grittiest. 540 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: TOO i always say that she could eat nails for 541 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: breakfast if she wanted, to but she chose not, To 542 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: like she chose to remain, soft or she chose to 543 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: remain caring when she could have snapped someone over her 544 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: knee as easily as she snapped a chicken WHEN i was, 545 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: Little like you, KNOW i would definitely choose My Grandma. 546 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: Cassie in, closing what do you want to learn that 547 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 3: you haven't learned at this point in your? 548 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Career on a funny, LEVEL i want to learn what 549 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: it feels like to sell out an arena. TOUR i 550 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: want to learn what it feels like to sell out 551 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: the rhymen by. MYSELF i want to learn what it 552 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: feels like to Win grammys sitting in my. Arms BUT 553 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: i THINK i also want to learn what it feels 554 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: like to be satisfied and whole in WHAT i have 555 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: done with my. Career DO i know IF i will 556 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: ever be satisfied OR i will just continue running up 557 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: in Endless mountain my entire. Life i'm game for. Either i'm, 558 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: Okay i'm alright with chasing it down TILL i go 559 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: on to another space and. Time but IF i could 560 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: learn what it feels like to look at the HILL 561 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: i have just run up and gone, ooh we did 562 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: that on our, own every step, sweating you, know bleeding 563 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: if need, be and no one can take. This you 564 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: know incline away from me AND i feel whole when 565 00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: looking back at. 566 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: It Cassie, ashton you are. Amazing this is a moment for. 567 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: You keep getting it and go big and thank you 568 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 3: for being On taking A. 569 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: Walk, Cassie thank you so much for having. 570 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: Me thanks for listening to this episode of The taking 571 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: A walk. Podcast share this and other episodes with your 572 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: friends and follow us so you never miss an. Episode 573 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 2: taking A walk is available on The iHeartRadio, App Apple, 574 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: podcasts and wherever you get your. Podcasts