1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. Your guide to 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods presented by first Light, creating proven 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand saddler blind, first Light, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm a guest 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with Josh Miller 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: and we're talking all about how to find more shed antlers. Hey, guys, quickly, 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: want to give you an update. Mark Kenyon here. I'm 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: not hosting the podcast today, Tony's got it, but I 10 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: wanted to give you a quick update on my working 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: for Wildlife tour. Now. I mentioned this a couple of 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and now I have the full scoop, the 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: full details for you. Here's the cliff notes. If you're 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: not for I am planning on heading out across the 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: country this year to shine a spotlight on volunteer habitat 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: improvement opportunities. There's all sorts of conservation organizations that put 17 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: on these volunteer days asking hunters and anglers to come 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: out and volunteer their time to work on public lands 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: and waters. Maybe that's cleaning up a stream. Maybe that 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: is picking up trash, maybe that's planting trees or moving 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: invasive species, all kinds of stuff like that is going on, 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: and I want to help encourage more of us to 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: get out there and help out. So I am excited 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: to do that myself this year by going to six 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: of these events all across the country, and I'm inviting 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: you to join me. We've got events starting out in 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: March going all the way through October, and we're hitting 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: all or at least most of the regions of the country. 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: So here's the scoop on these events. I'm going to 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: read you a list of these different events and what 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: we're doing, and then I will tell you where to 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: get more information where to sign up. One other key note, 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: I will have twenty five T shirts to give away 34 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: at each event. The first twenty five volunteers will get 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: one of these cool new I Work for Wildlife T 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: shirts that I helped design with my buddy Hunter Spencer 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: from Metaitors. So little freebe now the events. The first 38 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: one March twenty six, twenty twenty three, that's coming up 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: here very soon, and that's going to be just outside 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: of Boston, Massachusetts, at the Martin Burns Wildlife Management Area. 41 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: The second event is going to be April twenty second 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: up in Kalkaska, Michigan, when we're building brush piles for 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: game habitat and a bunch of things in the Traverse 44 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: City Forest Management Unit. Then fast forward to July thirtieth, 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, we're gonna be in the Panhandled National 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Forest in Idaho working on aspenstand restoration. In August, we're 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: going to Missouri to the b. K. Leech Conservation Area 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: when in collaboration with BHA. Then in September we're going 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: to Mississippi to the De Soto National Forest. And in 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: October we're going to Kentucky in the Daniel Boone National Force. 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna do some very cool white oak acorn collection 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: for some local reforestation projects. That's an association with the 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: National Deer Association. So we got three events with the NBA, 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: two events with BHA, and one event with the Michigan 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: United Conservation Clubs. All of these events are going to 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: be free, open to the public, and we're just looking 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: for folks to come out help out in I'm excited 58 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: to meet you, shake some hands, tell some stories, share pictures, 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: and most importantly do something good for these wild critters 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: and places that we all enjoy so much. So that's 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: the game plan. If you go to the meat eater 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: dot com and then search in the little search bar 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: on the page for working for Wildlife Tour, you'll see 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: this website I'm telling me about. It's got the full 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: details for each one of those events, has a photo 66 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: of that T shirt I mentioned. It has the links 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: to register, which these organizations would like you to register, 68 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: just so they know how many people will be there 69 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: and what they need to have prepared for that number 70 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: of folks. So head over there, register, come on out. 71 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good time. We're gonna be around 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of like minded people enjoying mother Nature and 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: giving back in a great way. And I can't wait. 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll see you guys first up March twenty 75 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: six in or just outside of Boston. Sounds like a 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: really cool wildlife management area that's been work done over 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: the years. It supports a lot of different bird species, 78 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: including some less common ones in that area like American woodcock, 79 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: rough grouse, blue winged warblers, all sorts of good stuff 80 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: that'sn't Steven so We're gonna be doing some good work 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: out there and having a good time and I will 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: see you March twenty six and now back to the 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: show with Tony Peterson and another episode of Wired two Hunt. 84 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, which is brought 85 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: to you by First Light. You probably know this is 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: not the mustachioed madman Mark Kenyon, but is instead the 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: guy who really seems to be holding the whole Wire 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: to Hunt thing together. Tony Mark is off on a 89 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: spiritual retreat where he is learning to meditate, harness the 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: healing power of crystals, and use astrology to connect on 91 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: a deeper level with deer. Apparently Mark is a Virgo, 92 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: and since most fawns are born in May, the bucks 93 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: he chases are I guess a Taurus, so he's got 94 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: some I don't know dumb theory about that anyway. Today's 95 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: guest is Josh Miller, who lives in Wisconsin and runs 96 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: Riverstone Kennels. In addition to being a shed dog trainer, 97 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: Josh also happens to be a super passionate whitetail hunter. 98 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: This whole show is dedicated to finding antlers. It's about 99 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: where to look for him when to look for him, 100 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: how to get your kids out there and excited about antlers, 101 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: and even how to mix your dogs up in shed 102 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: hunting if you have the desire and the right dogs. 103 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: Of course, even if you're not a passionate shed hunter. 104 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: I think you should give this one a listen, because 105 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: there's plenty of info here that should benefit all deer hunters. 106 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: Josh Miller, how the hell are you, buddy? I'm great, man. 107 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: How are you doing. I'm good. I love talking to you. Man. 108 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: We got we got a lot of stuff to go 109 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: through here. We are coming off of a stupid winner. 110 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: You live over there in Wisconsin, just across the river 111 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: from me, and it is really the time where, you know, 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: we kind of got a little bit robbed of our 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: shed season this year, this far north, but there's still 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: a chance to get out there and find some antlers still. Yeah, man, 115 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: it really has been tough just because of how this 116 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: winner has presented itself. Because you know, for us, we 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: keep a really close tab on our gear. You heard 118 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: here on my farm, and it's something that we look 119 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: forward to every single year, especially because you know, my 120 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: daughter is four going on fourteen. You know the way 121 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: that she acts my son is two or two and 122 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: a half rather, and so we're at a point where 123 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: we really like to do this. Yeah, I still like 124 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: to go out and find a couple the kids can 125 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: go be successful and get into it, but they look 126 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: forward to it. And now you know, we're seeing you know, 127 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: deer dropping and then like today, like I just literally 128 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: had yesterday a one antler, you know, buck that had 129 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: just shed. I saw him yesterday with both sides. So 130 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: I have a pretty good idea of where this thing 131 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: probably be. And we're supposed to get two feet of 132 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: snow today. You know, it's like it really makes it tough. 133 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: You're covering those antlers up and he's going to pose 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: some challenges. So maybe it'll be a wait until some 135 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: melt off and towards spring a little bit. But but 136 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: you're right, the winner has posed some challenges. Yeah, it 137 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: was a tough year. I mean, we had such weird 138 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: conditions up here with you know, quite a bit of 139 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: snow right away, and then we had weird rain storm 140 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: I think back in January at some point that just 141 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: a bad cross stell out there and then more snow 142 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: and it's just one of those it's one of the 143 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: years where you know, as we get here towards the 144 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: end of March, that's when you can have those days 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: where you find like six or eight sheds and you know, 146 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: kind of mix up for the couple you'd pick up 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: here and there throughout the season. But there, you know, 148 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: there's still a chance to get out there. And I 149 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: want to talk about that, but I want to get 150 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: into the dog thing a little bit first. We've we've 151 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: done some shed dog episodes before, so I don't want 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to cover it too completely here, but 153 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: you were kind of one of the pioneers of shed 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: dogs back back in the day. You and you and 155 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: Docket and a few people were really pushing that message 156 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: before it took off and it was everywhere. Yeah, you 157 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: know what's so funny about that is the first time 158 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: that it kind of occurred to me that I could 159 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: do this was there's a big state park that's by 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: my house and you couldn't hunt it at the time. 161 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: You can now, but you couldn't at the time, so 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: it was just a white tail sanctuary, right. And so 163 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: as I was you know, probably like maybe like in 164 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: the eighteen you know, seventeen eighteen year old range I 165 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: had a dog named Easton at the time, who has 166 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: since passed. But we did a lot together all the time, right, 167 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: not just hunting and training wise, but it was like, 168 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, anything I did, Easton was there. And so 169 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: being a very avid archery hunter, very avid white tail hunter, 170 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, shed season was something I looked forward to 171 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: and I loved, you know, putting on those those miles 172 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: with the boots on the ground finding these and the 173 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: first it wasn't even an antler that that piqued my 174 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: interest on this. It was we were in the middle 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: of the state park that I don't know how many 176 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: thousands of acres it is, and Easton comes back with 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: a tennis ball and I'm sitting here looking around, like, 178 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: am I like stumbling into like you where someone's like 179 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: camped out and living in these woods? Like what the 180 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: heck is going on? Why is there a tennis ball 181 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of this whole thing? But he loved 182 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: tennis balls, and I remember bringing that back to me, 183 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: and I was looking at it, going, well, if you 184 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: love this and you can find this in the middle 185 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: of nowhere, why couldn't you actually look for what I'm 186 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: looking for? And we could both be actively hunting for these, 187 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: and at the time, I didn't even really know anyone 188 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: did this. I'm sure there were a lot of people 189 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: that were right, but for me, I had not heard 190 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: of this. I had not you know, research, hit hadn't 191 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: gone through it. So I literally went I was super fortunate. 192 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: I had a teacher that was in high school, one 193 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: of my shop teachers. He had a beer farm, and 194 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: so I just asked him, Hey, like, when these start dropping, 195 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: could I pick a couple up and use it for training. 196 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: He thought it was a cool idea of trying to 197 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: get the dog involved. Um, so I remember going out 198 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: there with like rubber gloves and a zip block bag 199 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: and trying to keep these like as fresh as I could, 200 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: and man like, that's that's just how this started. And 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: it's just kind of crazy here now. I mean there's 202 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's different organizations. They're holding events, and there's 203 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: people from all over the country that are doing this, 204 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: and it's really turned into a big deal. Yeah, it's weird. 205 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: It was kind of like this little underground thing for 206 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: a while and then and then it just blew up 207 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: and it was like everywhere you look there was pictures 208 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: of shed dogs, and you know this this was back 209 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: when you know, magazine writing was a way bigger part 210 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: of my job, and it was like everybody wanted that 211 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: story on shed dogs. You know, it's like, oh, this 212 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: is kind of like a cool new thing. And then 213 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: it's sort of it seemed to maybe peek a little bit, 214 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: and now it's just sort of like part of dog ownership. 215 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: Like you meet, you know, primarily people with retrievers, and 216 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: if they love to deer hunt, there's like a decent 217 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: chance they've trained their dogs to find antlers or they've 218 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: gone to somebody like you to have them trained, and 219 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: it's just sort of become a part of the culture. 220 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's freaking cool. Yeah, yeah, it really is. 221 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: You know, so we we have our online training program 222 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: Retriever Roadmap, where you know, we have her library and 223 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: great community and all this stuff. Right, but that's the 224 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: one topic right now that's really coming up. Or you know, 225 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: these people and some of these people, you know, they 226 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: don't necessarily deer hunt, but they're looking for an offseason 227 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: activity to do with their dogs, and this fits that 228 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: bill this time of year, and so it's really neat 229 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: how you know, this can kind of provide not only 230 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, increase in success for the people that are 231 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: already out there doing it, but there's people now getting 232 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: into the shed hunting that have never done it before, 233 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: just simply because of the dog. Yeah, I've mixed feelings 234 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: about that because I feel like I have enough competition 235 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: shed hunting. But I do love seeing people take their 236 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: dogs out and you know, try that. And I know 237 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: I've had because you know, we'll do a lot of 238 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: shed dog training in the parks by my house, you know, 239 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: especially in the spring, and people see it and they're 240 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: just like drawn to it. And if there's one category 241 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: of dog owner that has unrealistic expectations of shed dogs, 242 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: it's the person who's like not not actually a deer hunter, 243 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: but they see that and they're like, I want to 244 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: train my dog to do that so I can go 245 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: out and find antlers too. And I'm like, man, you 246 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: have no concept of how hard that's actually going to be. 247 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Training the dogs isn't like terribly hard, but actually getting 248 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: out there and finding a bunch of antlers usually is 249 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: for those people. But I love seeing the interest anyway. 250 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: Oh man, Now that's spot on too, because that's one 251 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: of the things that we when we take dogs in 252 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: for training for this, we're extremely selective in the people 253 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: and dogs who would take in for because there is 254 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: this unrealistic expectation that you're like, hey, my dog just 255 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: got trained to do this, so let's go hit up 256 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: the Walmart parking lot. We should find a few and 257 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's just like it 258 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: very unrealistic. And like what I always tell people is 259 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: that if you're going to do this, like it's not 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: gonna mean that you go from finding three a year 261 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: to eighty three, right, like you might go from finding 262 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: three to maybe five, like you know, a couple that 263 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: you would have walked over. It's more about being out 264 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: there with the dog and you and the dog having 265 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: another activity to look forward to. You know, the dog's 266 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: got sitting down to college, and you're not sitting down 267 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: to the the college. You're out there being active. But you know, 268 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, like you still have to be in the 269 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: area that these deer are when they shed to be successful. 270 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: You know, if if I go fishing in a lake 271 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: that has no fish, I'm not going to catch any fish. 272 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. And so you know, like if 273 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: you're a farm or the area that you hunt, you 274 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: find a lot of sheds out well, your dog is 275 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: going to have a lot of opportunities to pick them up, 276 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: which means the dog is gonna get really good at it. 277 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: If you if you don't find Manny and your dog 278 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: gets a chance to pick maybe one or two of 279 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: a year, well the dog's probably never going to be 280 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: overly proficient at it. And quite frankly, he doesn't have 281 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity too because he's not in a target rich environment. 282 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: So you know, there's it's not going to be this 283 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, feast and you know, from famine to feast 284 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: once you get a dog trained for it. But there's 285 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of positives to being out there together doing it. Yeah. 286 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: I mean I was always you know, taking my dogs 287 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: out with me anyway, but I felt like one of 288 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: the biggest benefits when I when I trained my you know, 289 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: the first dog I trained to find him was my Golden, 290 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: which was three dogs ago now, and one of the 291 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: things that I just loved about it was, you know, 292 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: like you said, at that time, even shed hunting really hard. 293 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: I might find six or eight in an entire winter, 294 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: but I went more because she had a job. You know, 295 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: like it was like kind of dumb, right, Like you're 296 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: just like, well, it's it's winner, I have nothing to do, 297 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: and might as well take my dog out. And since 298 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: my dog no is what we're looking for now, it's 299 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: just more fun to go shed hunting. So I just 300 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: go more and I find more antlers. But you know, 301 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's not a game changer as 302 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: far as like if you're really obsessed with finding tons 303 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: of antlers, even the best dog out there isn't going 304 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: to change your situation like a crazy amount. But it 305 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: sure is just fun to have them with you now. 306 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: And isn't it amazing that the dog does that for us? 307 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: And as far as like getting us out, because if 308 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: you if you talk to most dog owners, let's just 309 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: use the water falling for example, if you talk to 310 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: most dog owners, they'll all tell you the same thing, 311 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: and I don't even want to go if the dog's 312 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: not going. Yeah, right, And so it's just it's so 313 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: interesting how you know the dog and the relationship that 314 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: we have with them, How it really does it makes 315 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: the experiment they experience that much richer for us, to 316 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: to the point that we would say we don't even 317 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: want to go if they're not with and so I 318 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: think that's part of the reason why, you know, going 319 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: out and having them with their shed hunting, it just 320 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: makes it more enjoyable. I mean, they just they're lighting 321 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: our lives, only different aspects. Yeah, it's so much more fun. 322 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: And it's what's interesting. I want to ask you about 323 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: this because you know, I've trained a couple of my 324 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: dogs to find antlers, and you know, like like my 325 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: Golden she figured out she was going to get praised 326 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: no matter what if she brought me a bone, you know, 327 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: Like so she would bring me all kinds of bones 328 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes antlers. Sometimes not my older dog that I 329 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: have now, Luna, she if she finds an antler, she'll 330 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: bring it to me. She never brings me just a 331 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: random bone. And I always think, like when we're out there, 332 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, because we do a lot of late season 333 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: pheasant hunting and sometimes you know, some of these states 334 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: you can hunt through January or you know, we used 335 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: to have that grouse season in Wisconsin that you could 336 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: hunt through January, and we would find antlers doing that 337 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: with the dogs. But when we were hunting with the dogs, 338 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: it was like they're not going to bring you an antler? 339 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Like do you And I want to ask you that, like, 340 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: do your dogs if you're out hunting something and your 341 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: dogs found an antler, would they bring it to you? Matt? 342 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah. But what I'm the way I see it 343 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: is like, okay, if if you if you're hunting pheasants, 344 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: like you're you know you're you're you're having that flaming 345 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: young right, Like that's that's the hitome. That's what I'm 346 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: here for. That tracks me up all of a sudden. 347 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: Like you look at a ham sandwich. You're going not 348 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: a big deal, right you You still want that filet? 349 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: And so that's what that's why I kind of look 350 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: at it there. Now you take you take the edge 351 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: off that, and you're like, hey, look we're just out 352 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: here hunting sheds. Now, all of a sudden, my que 353 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: words are different, my energy level is probably different, right, 354 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: And so the dog feeds off that and goes, Okay, 355 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. But if you're a shed 356 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: hunting and you get into a patch of grouse or pheasants, 357 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: like the dog is going to kick into it, right 358 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, sheds aren't gonna matter now, I'm 359 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: onto this, and then they're gonna have to come off that. 360 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Like that's that genetic side, right, like feathers and birds 361 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: like that is ingrained in our dog's DNA, especially if 362 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: you have you know, the right bloodlines. I mean, it's 363 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to turn that off, you know. So it's 364 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: never gonna be an equal you know, uh, you know, 365 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: pray for them to go after, but you know you 366 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: can still funnel that where it's a very desirable object. Yeah. Yeah. 367 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: They When I'm bird hunting with my dogs, they aren't 368 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: bringing me antlers. But when I'm antler hunting with my 369 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: dogs and we encounter birds, then it becomes a bird hunt. 370 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: Like that's right there. They're switching gears that way in 371 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: a heartbeat. When you when you started with Easton back 372 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: in the day and he started bringing me some tennis 373 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: balls out there and you realize you could do this? 374 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: What since then? Because I know, like, you know, people 375 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: who look you up, they're gonna see, you know, your 376 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: kennel that you run with, Whitney, your wife, and like 377 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: you're you're so ensconced in the dog world, the bird 378 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: dog world and train you know, a trainer by trade, 379 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: but you're a diehard bow hunter too, Like, what did 380 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: what did those dogs when you went and started doing that? 381 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: What did they teach you about antlers like shed hunting 382 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: that you didn't you didn't know before. There had to 383 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: be something that you picked up with after going out 384 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: there with your dog. So here's what's so interesting about 385 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: being out there with you, like before and after And 386 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: this may have just come through, you know, a natural 387 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: progression of sources. I grew up and got older and 388 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: had more experience, But what I found is that when 389 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: I was shed hunting before, you know how it is 390 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: like you are glued to the ground. You know, you're 391 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: a scan scan, scan, and you're like on top of it, 392 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: right and man, Like, when I have the dogs out there, 393 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: what I find more is like I'm finding new late 394 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: season travel routes. I'm seeing oh my gosh, Like I 395 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: didn't realize this, this tree was on this edge that 396 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: would work great for this wind. And it's almost like 397 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: a pregame prep for me too, Like I know the 398 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: dogs are out there doing the work, and if we're 399 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: in an area that they're probably gonna pick something up, 400 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: especially if I have more than one dog out there 401 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and they're covered a bunch of ground like they're probably 402 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: gonna find it, They're gonna probably gonna pick it up, 403 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: which is great. So I just get to enjoy it 404 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: more like I don't have to be like I'm still watching, 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm still doing my job, but I'm a little more 406 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: relaxed doing it, and I find myself, you know, seeing 407 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: things that wouldn't have seen for and I pick things out. 408 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: And it's really an interesting deal because I believe firmly 409 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: that this is the best scouting time of year, you know, 410 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: this going into spring before we get leaves, because this 411 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: is as close to it's going to look like when 412 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm up in a tree, right, So I don't have 413 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: to over trim because the foliage that is, you know, 414 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: is not here or won't be there in the fall, 415 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: but we'll be there when I'm trying to do this 416 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: in August. Right. So I love, you know, hanging sets. 417 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: I love getting set up for the year, you know, 418 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: going forward this time, this time of year, and so 419 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that I think I 420 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: can kind of step back and maybe see things I 421 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: was blind to otherwise. So that that's an interesting take 422 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: because I, you know, we just we just did a 423 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: couple episodes on winter scouting, Like I feel the same way. 424 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: I've said this a million times. I think winter scouting 425 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: for deer is the most important time you can spend 426 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: outside of actually hunting. I think it's so valuable. But 427 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: I've always and I know a lot of people who 428 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: are like this where it's like I'm neither a shed 429 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: hunter or I'm a winner scouter, but I'm not both, 430 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: Like it just just can't do it. And so what 431 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: you're saying is, when you go out there with the dogs, 432 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: you have you know, you have the confidence that if 433 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: they run across when they're going to find it. So 434 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: you've got some you've got some extra critters working for 435 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: you there just for the sheer fact of like finding 436 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: more antlers, but you're also paying attention to them more 437 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: because you're a dog trainer, So you're watching them in 438 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: your hands, signaling them, and you're you're reading their body 439 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: language and stuff. But it also allows you the chance 440 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: to sort of take a shed hunt, like what could 441 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: be a strict shed hunt and turn it into sort 442 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: of a hybrid deal where you're looking for some antlers 443 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: but you're also winner scouting. Yeah, for sure. I mean, 444 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: as much as I love shed hunting, you know, being 445 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: in the tree, that's that's what it's all about for me, right, 446 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: So if I can be you know, if I can 447 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: be scouting. Unfortunately, I don't have infinite amount of time 448 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: to be able to do it all, right, so I'm 449 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: trying to double duty. I think most of us probably 450 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: fit in that boat, right, like, well, we always had 451 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: more time to be out there and yeah, okay, I'm 452 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: anna shed hunt on this trip, of them skelt on 453 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: the next one, while most of us have to try 454 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: to do it all at once, and so to have 455 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: the dog out there doing the work, yeah, for me, anyways, 456 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: it just took that little bit of edge out where 457 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I could do both at once and be really fishing 458 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: at doing both at once. One of the things that 459 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I think is really a provides a really good lesson 460 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: when you're out there with a shed dog, is they 461 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: will find antlers close to you that you cannot see. 462 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, I talked to an uncle 463 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: of mine one time, and they have horses, and he 464 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: was always finding antlers. And he you know, he lives 465 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: way up by Elie, So it's not like he's he's 466 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: in a part of the country that has a ton 467 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: of deer, you know. I mean, he's up in the 468 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: north country where it's like real low density. And I'm like, 469 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: how the hell do you find as many antlers as 470 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: you do? And he's like, we ride horses around, we're 471 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: looking down on them, and you know, it's so dumb, 472 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: but you think about that and you go, man, that 473 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: that perspective, that's a totally different way to look at it, 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: you know. And when you're out there with a dog 475 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: and you think, man, I'm a real badass shed hunter. 476 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to miss one. And then you look over, 477 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: and especially if you're in some kind of saw grass 478 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: or swamp or something and your dog is digging away 479 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: and that that yellow grass and picks one up. It's like, man, 480 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: you you might not find that antler even if you 481 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: step on it. And so it kind of makes you realize, like, 482 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: no matter how good you are, like you're bringing your binoculars, 483 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: you're slowing down, You're gonna miss antlers no matter what. 484 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: And I think that lesson is really cool that dogs 485 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: teach you. Man, the number of times that one of 486 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: my dogs, I all of a sudden, just heard bone 487 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: on teeth and I'm going I look behind, like, I 488 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: don't know how close I had to have stepped on 489 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: that thing, but it was close, right, and I missed it. 490 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: So those are the times you go, oh my gosh, 491 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: like having the dog here really made that happen. But 492 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: I none of us are as good as we think 493 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: we are, you know, it's just the truth of it. 494 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. I've met some people in the 495 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: hunting industry who think they're pretty good. Man. I've met 496 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: some dog trainers like that too, actually, But it is true, 497 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's a good reminder, I think. And you 498 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: don't need you know, you don't have to train a 499 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: shed dog to teach you this. But man, if you 500 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: know how it is, like if you have that betting area, 501 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: you have that area off of the good food source 502 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: in the winter where you're like, there's antlers there, like 503 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: the deer of ben there. I know they're gonna be there. 504 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: You think about you walk a route through there, and 505 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: you go, all right, I'm coming back here in a 506 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: week or two weeks or three weeks or whatever, I'm 507 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna walk a different route. I mean, even two days 508 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: later sometimes and you just walk it and reverse, or 509 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: you walk it when it's super sunny one day and 510 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: there's shadows out, and the next time you walk it 511 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: it's that nice overcast day where there's no shadows. It's 512 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: just like the more you're out there doing that, the 513 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: more you realize, like how easy it is to walk 514 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: right by those antlers, no question, you know. And I 515 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: think I think that's a good lesson for a lot 516 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: of people who are you know, you know kind of 517 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: like we talked about with a dog owner who's like, oh, 518 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna train my poodle to go out and find 519 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: shed antlers because this guy's doing it with a lab 520 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: and I don't really understand what's going on. Like when 521 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: you think about, you know, if you're a you know, 522 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: if you're shed hunting public land or you know, some 523 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: of these parks or whatever where there are there's high pressure, 524 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people in there looking at 525 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: it can feel like a lost cause. But when you 526 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: know that you've walked right by antlers that are six 527 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: feet away from you, and you come back the other 528 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: way and there they are. Other people are doing the 529 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: same thing, And so I always kind of take a 530 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: little hope and that you know, I I live in 531 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: the suburbs of the Twin Cities, so I don't have 532 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: a place to shed hunt that doesn't have quite a 533 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: few people shed hunting it. But I find antlers every 534 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: year and it's it just say, gives me a little 535 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: bit of hope. And it's something you learn with dogs, 536 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: and it's something you learn just by burning you know, 537 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: some boot leather and getting out there. Yeah, no question, Yeah, 538 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's all about getting out there, right, It's 539 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: all about putting those miles on and taking those walks. 540 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: And I mean even on some of the private farms 541 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: you know that we've been on, you know, there's always 542 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: going to be ones we miss. There's always going to 543 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: be you know, those deer that are holding later than others. 544 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: And for me, that's what kind of keeps it exciting, right, 545 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: Like I want to go back out and recheck an area, 546 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: especially if it's a farm that I have, you know, 547 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a bunch of eyes on and still running cameras. I 548 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: know that there's a certain deer, specific deer, especially if 549 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: there's deer that I let walk. I love that because 550 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: it feels like I'm now growing up with this, dear saw. 551 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: I'm at two saw, I'm at three half sheds on 552 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: both sides. Of course, that's the epitomes to get a 553 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: mature dear five six years old and go harvest that 554 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: deer and have years of anilers. I haven't done that yet, 555 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: but that's that's one of the goals I really really want, 556 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: is to have that that growth. But you know, that's 557 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of what keeps me going. It's like it's 558 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: a grown up Easter egg hunt, right, yeah, all big time. 559 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm glad you said that that you 560 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: haven't done that yet, because I think it's I think 561 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: it's very easy to assume that there's a lot of 562 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: people out there who you know. Even if your name 563 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: and deer and you have a really really good place 564 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: to hunt, whether you own it or it's permission or 565 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: at lease or whatever, it is not that easy to 566 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: go out and find a shed and then kill the 567 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: owner of that shed next year, two years or three years. 568 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: It's like it looks easy and probably more common because 569 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: of how we were kind of fed stuff from the 570 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: hunting industry, but it is really not that common out there, no, 571 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: And I actually know very few people that have actually 572 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: done that, And I feel like I manage my farms 573 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: really tightly, like it's a very what you would call 574 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: it a session, and it probably is of sorts, but 575 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: it's something I really really get into. And every year 576 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: when you let a deer walk, you're rolling the dice 577 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: like you are gambling, because there are so many things 578 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: that can happen. You know, neighbors, you kill, the deer, 579 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, hit by a car, gets disease, doesn't make 580 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: it through the winter. Like there's so many things that 581 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: can go on, and it is it's so uncommon. And 582 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: then you know the way that these deer you move around. 583 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's the reality is that on a piece 584 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: of property, there are only so many mature deer that 585 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: can call that property home. Mature bucks, right because of 586 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: how they act, and so you could have an older 587 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: mature deer. This is where you know, taking deer that 588 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: are of the right age. It may not be the 589 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: calvalry you wamp, but because of certain reasons, like that 590 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: buck is never going to get to where you want 591 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: him to be. Could run off that young deer coming 592 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: up to that and then all of a sudden he's gone, right, 593 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things that can happen on 594 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: a year to year basis, and that's why I think 595 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: it is so difficult to find those multiple years, get 596 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: that deer to the age that you want them to, 597 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: and harvest that deer. It's a goal of mine. I 598 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 1: want nothing more to make that happen. But it just 599 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: seems like every year when I think, oh, maybe this 600 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: is it, something happens. Yeah, I don't even I have 601 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: no place where that's even a possibility. I have one 602 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: time in my life where I found an antler and 603 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: then two years later I killed that buck, and it 604 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: was just I didn't I had no clue. I'd kind 605 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: of forgot i'd even found that antler, and then I 606 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: don't remember what I was doing, but I looked at 607 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: it and I go, man's that's blade it up and everything, 608 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: just like the buck that I killed this year and 609 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: then held it up there, and it was just one 610 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: of those lucky deals that he stuck around, and you know, 611 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: I didn't obviously I didn't match him up or thing 612 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: I didn't find the year after. But it's pretty cool 613 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: when that happens. And the other thing about that, you know, 614 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: when you when you talk about that and like, oh, 615 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: I want to kill a buck that's you know, six 616 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: and a half, and I'd love to have match sets 617 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: from you know, the last four years or whatever. Even 618 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: going out and finding a match set unless they fall 619 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: right next to each other is really not that easy. No, 620 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: it's not. Well, the other thing is think about so 621 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: I've read articles now on how they'll find like coyote 622 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: dens that have antlers all over in them. You know, 623 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: they love chewing on them. You're just like a dog, right, 624 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: like just like our domestic dogs, right, And so something 625 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: like that can even happen to where it doesn't even 626 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: give you the opportunity to find both those and you 627 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: could you could walk your tail off, you're not going 628 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: to find them, right. So it's just there's so many things. 629 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Everything has to go so right for that to happen. 630 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: But it still is one of those things that I 631 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: sit and dream about, like I gotta make this happened 632 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: one year, I gotta make this happen. Well, it'll happen. 633 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that with coyotes 634 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: because I found I found a mule deer shit out 635 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: in western North Dakota one time, and the base was 636 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: nod on, like, how do I describe this? If you 637 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: see like a mouse is chewing on an antler, the 638 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: rodent teeth they're almost like kind of sharp, like you 639 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: took like a sharp tool to it. And if you 640 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: look at how dogs chew down an antler, it's sort 641 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: of like rounded off, you know, like it's like gnawed off. 642 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: And I found that this was years probably twelve thirteen 643 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: years ago. I remember looking at it going, gosh, that's 644 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: that's super weird. It looks like a dog or you 645 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: know what you'd assume as a coyote out there chewed 646 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: on it. And then I remember thinking like, well, of course, 647 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: like why wouldn't they If you could throw an antler 648 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: on my floor and you don't pay attention, my dogs 649 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: will chew that sucker right down to a nub, Like 650 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: why wouldn't a coyote out there, especially if fresh one 651 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: with a little blood on it, they pick that up 652 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: and bring it back to their den. Of course they're 653 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: gonna lay down a chew on it. M Yeah, no doubt. Well, 654 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: and it's just so funny right sometimes, um, you know, 655 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: even if it's right in front of our face and 656 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: we just don't put two and two together, Like you know, 657 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: hard dogs are just like you kayos or I have 658 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: a fox that is so awesome. He's, for whatever reason, 659 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: has chose that my food pot that's right out. I 660 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: had a food pot that I put in right outside 661 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: of our house strictly because my kids, being the ads 662 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: they are, I want you of them to get in 663 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: the outdoors. I want them to be able to you know, 664 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: from the house. Wash deer come in out and you know, hey, 665 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: you know there's a buck. You know, that's where we 666 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: get in the name and the bucks. We can talk about. Oh, 667 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: here's here's Ava's buck, and here's Colt's buck, and y'all 668 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: it makes it fun. It's a family thing, right. But um, 669 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, like this little fox has just decided to 670 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: lay down in this food pot and sun himself and 671 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: it's like, well he lays an act just like the 672 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: dog that's at my feet, you know, doing this. Why 673 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't he do the same kind of things like we're 674 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, it is it a red fox, it is. 675 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: We have a red and a gray on our farm. 676 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: We see them pretty frequently and I just absolutely love them. 677 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: They get a pass like I have one of my 678 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: employees loves the kyote hunt and he's like, oh, like 679 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: we should say that. I'm like, no, Like, you can 680 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: shoot all the kyotes out here that you want, But 681 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: I like seeing them. I know that they get into 682 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: the turkey egg and everything else that I don't want, 683 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: but they just like their mannerisms, how they act, the 684 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: way that they kind of use the edges and cover. 685 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: They're just such a cool animal to watch. I just 686 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: get a kick out of sitting here watching them. Yeah, 687 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: I think fox are so cool. All right? Do you 688 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: think that that fox set up shop there because the 689 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: coyotes probably aren't going to hang super close to your 690 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: house and the kennel, and that fox knows it. Well, 691 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: what's interesting is that, just like you say, we don't 692 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: see kyotes from the house, we just don't, but we'll 693 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: see them all over, especially during trigger season, we see 694 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: them all over the farm outside of that, And I 695 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: can kind of one hand the number of times that 696 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a coyote here. And so you think 697 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: about that's the main predator that they're going to have 698 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: to encounter, and if they can simply get away from 699 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: it by getting close to where they or not, you know, 700 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense, right, but here I mean 701 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: that red fox, a gray fox is every once in 702 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: a while he'll be there. But what's funny to your point, 703 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: so the kennel, my house, my kennel sit on two 704 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: different parcels to two different forty acres of my farm, 705 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: and the gray fox always round the kennel, the red 706 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: fox always round the house. So to your point, get 707 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: where of the carlots aren't going to be? Yep, I 708 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: think when you start paying attention to that stuff. So 709 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: here in my neighborhood, and in fact, I was out 710 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: with my dogs, I don't know, just a couple days ago, 711 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: and I looked over and there was a red fox 712 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: at the park, sitting there watching us from the other 713 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: side of the soccer field. We have, you know, when 714 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: when when I moved here in two thousand and six, 715 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: I did a lot of wildlife photography in the parks 716 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: around here, just because I had time. You know, I 717 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: was a magazine writer, like I just I spent a 718 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: lot of time watching animals and taking pictures of them. 719 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: And it was we were we were covered in foxes here, 720 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: red foxes. And then I started to see fewer of 721 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: them and see way more coyotes in the parks. But 722 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: when that started happening, we started seeing more fox in 723 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: our neighborhood. And now I see, you know, we we 724 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: have a fox that lives right down the road from us. 725 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: When I take my little girls out to the bus stop, 726 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: we'll look down the street and that fox will walk 727 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: out onto the street and sit on his haunches and 728 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: watch them get on the bus like consistently. And but 729 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: we don't see coyotes in our neighborhood. And so I 730 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: look at that, and I go these patches of you know, 731 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: of woods and fields and stuff where that are that 732 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: are the parks or the farms around here. That's probably 733 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: coyote territory. And now these foxes are like, all right, 734 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go live in these people's backyards because we 735 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: have all these little patches of woods that are connected 736 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: in these little swamps, and so they just adapted to that. 737 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: And I just think, I think seeing stuff like that 738 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: is so cool. Like I think the more you're exposed 739 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: to that kind of like what nature's doing to make 740 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: it work, the better of a deer hunter you're going 741 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: to get. Because that stuff's happening all over out there 742 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: if you, if you're paying attention to it, it's such 743 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing to really sit back and observe, especially 744 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: when you have the wherewithal to do what you just did, 745 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: step back and look at the big picture, right because like, 746 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: but we're hunting, we tend to really nail down and 747 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: focus on Hey, like this this one buck has this 748 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: one routine, right, Well, why does they have that routine? 749 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: You know, what factors are making that happen, and what 750 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: and what what other factors are contributing to making those 751 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: factors happen. And it's a it's a pretty pretty wild 752 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: world that we live in. Yeah, it's it's it's wild, 753 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: and it kind of reminds me, you know, it makes 754 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: you think about how much you don't know, you know, 755 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: like how much you don't know that's going on out 756 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: there in the world. And then you think about like 757 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: a lot of the hunters out there, they're they're not 758 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: like this is gonna sound shittier than I mean it, 759 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: but they don't even have a clue either. Like I 760 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: look at like the people I encounter here where I 761 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: live that don't hunt, they don't understand animals at all. 762 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you how many times, like 763 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: somebody in our neighborhood, or you know somebody that you know, 764 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: we coach their daughter in basketball, or Sethople say oh, 765 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: we saw a wolf in our backyard, you know, and 766 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: you're like, You're like, uh, it was a coyote, you know, 767 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: like that, that kind of stuff happens all the time. 768 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: And then then you deal with like the hunting space. 769 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: And I had a conversation with this dude probably I 770 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: don't know, a couple weeks ago that I was at 771 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: the gym, finished my workout. I'm sitting in the steam 772 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: room and this guy's sitting next to me, and I 773 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: have a I have a fish tattooed on my back 774 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: of my shoulder right like this old tattoo whatever, this 775 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: look like a goldfish. Yeah, I have a carp tattoo. 776 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: I'm secretly European. Uh. It's actually the uh the g 777 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: loomis logo. Uh. Anyway, it's from a from a past 778 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: life of really really being into fishing. But anyway, this 779 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: guy's like, oh, what does the tattoo mean. I'm like, 780 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything. I just like to fish. And 781 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: so we start talking and he starts talking about deer hunting, 782 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 1: and you know, so anyway we get into it. We're 783 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: bs and I said, yeah, I worked for Meat Eater, 784 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: you know. And he's like, oh my god, we watched 785 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: Metatter all the time. My kids love it. And he's like, 786 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, you know that the hunting public. I go, yeah, 787 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: I know those guys and he's like, man, I love 788 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: watching them too. I'm like, yeah, they know their stuff, 789 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: and he looks at me and he goes, he goes, 790 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: you know what's really crazy. He's like, I've started going 791 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: out now and watching where the deer come into the 792 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: fields at night. And then we go sit there and 793 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: he's like, this deer scouting that those guys are talking 794 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: about on the hunting public, Like that's the real deal. 795 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: And I'm like, it never occurred to you to scout 796 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: deer before that, But that's the reality out there, you 797 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like there's there's there's different worlds. Yeah. Well, 798 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: you know what's so interesting to me too, is especially 799 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to whitetail right, because it just seems like, 800 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: especially when you live where you and I live, everybody 801 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: white tails right. It seems to me like the people 802 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: like when I perk up, and I'm like, I want 803 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: to I want to listen to this person. It's it's 804 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: the people that are open about man, like like I 805 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: don't know at all, right, and I'm really interested in 806 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: learning more. I'm trying to. Like when when you have 807 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: people that are like, oh yeah, like you know, most 808 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: of the time, it's you know, well, I go out 809 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: my opening weekend of rifle season, I'm going to shoot 810 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: a buck, any buck, just to say I shout of buck, 811 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 1: shoot my dough and I'm a big bad hunter. It's like, well, 812 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to learn anything from you for sure, 813 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: and we probably don't have a lot in common, you know, 814 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: because like for me, like I chase mature white tails 815 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: just what I do, right, So like for me, I 816 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: haven't killed a deer in the last three seasons. My 817 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: last year I killed was my one ninety and I 818 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: had a dear that I was chasing this year that 819 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: I know for a fact. You ended up scoring one 820 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: Sevenday nine because he was killed with a rifle after 821 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't seal the deal. But like that trips my trigger. 822 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: It's the experience, it's the rush, it's the cat and 823 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: mouse game. That's what trips my trigger. To be honest, 824 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: the shot is anticlimatic, especially afterwards, right, but um, when 825 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: people are open about like man, like I just I'm 826 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: learning this property and I'm like that's that's that just 827 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: completely trips it to me because I'm like, okay, like 828 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: you get it right, you know, you're not going to 829 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 1: know at all. You know, there's a lot of things 830 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: that are going to go on. Like that's what gets 831 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: me going. It's interesting to me how it seems like 832 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: the more humble you are with it, the more open 833 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: you are, and the more you actually end up knowing Yeah, 834 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: well right, and the more that it just gets you 835 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: out there, Like the more the more you realize you 836 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: don't know, the more you want to go out there 837 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: and just learn. And I think you know, I've been 838 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: I've been writing about this for some of these Foundations 839 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: episodes where you know, we the space that I'm in 840 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: right now, you know, I'll get an assignment. It's like 841 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: how to find shed anilers because there's people who are 842 00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: just like I just want to walk into the woods 843 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: and want to find antlers and like that's like a 844 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: segment of it, right, But the reality is like one 845 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: of the biggest benefits to shed hunting isn't that you're 846 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: going to find some antlers. That's cool, and you can 847 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,399 Speaker 1: learn some stuff. You know, you get proof of life 848 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: and all that. What you know, there's like obviously positives 849 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: to finding antlers, but there's a huge benefit to just 850 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: being in the woods now. Like you said, you know, 851 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: not not just winner scouting, but if you're if you're 852 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: a rifle hunter and you're listening to this and you're like, 853 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, I go and sit my power line or 854 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: I sit my ladder standard whatever, and I hope something 855 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: comes by, and you know, two days into this season, 856 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: you don't see any deer every single year because there's 857 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: gun hunting pressure out there. Like if you're walking around 858 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 1: now now finding concentrations of deer, you're finding some of 859 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: those places where there was deer are going to hole 860 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: up when there's a lot of pressure. Like it's not 861 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's not like a direct correlation, right, because 862 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: there's going to be other factors here because it's winner. 863 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: But if you find a place where, especially if there's 864 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,800 Speaker 1: some pressure there where you know you're like I always 865 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: find an antler here. Every winner or you know, they 866 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: it seems like the big bucks like to bed in here. Now, 867 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: that might be a place you should really be thinking 868 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: about when the pressure hits there in November and you're 869 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: not seeing deer, because there's correlations to that stuff beyond 870 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: just like winter survival and surviving the gun season or whatever, 871 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: you know, Like it's cover usage, it's how the wind 872 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: rolls through the land. There's all kinds of stuff. And 873 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 1: the more you're out there now looking for antlers, you're 874 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: exposing yourself to those spots right well, And if you're 875 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: especially if you're new and you're trying to learn and 876 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,919 Speaker 1: understand a property of farm an area, I mean, yeah, 877 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: if you'd really take it back to a basic level, Okay, 878 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: how do I start to learn this thing? Like, yes, 879 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: you're right, you know, patterns are going to change late season, 880 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: food sources like all the stuff. Right, But it would 881 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: be a very easily digestible way to understand an area 882 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 1: to go in there and say, hey, I know your 883 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: bed here, because right now, with their being snow, I 884 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 1: can see all the beds like I can visually. Okay, 885 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: so this area is a bedding area. So from here, 886 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: where's the food here? The traveler outs and you can 887 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: at least start to get an idea of what these 888 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: you're going to do on this particular property. Yes, again, 889 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: things might change, but if you are just looking for 890 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm getting into scouting, how do I use this time 891 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: here to get a base layer foundation understanding of the 892 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: area hunt. This is a great way to do it 893 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: because there's nothing that they can hide. I mean, it's 894 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: very open, it's very understandable as far as what they're doing, 895 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 1: the patterns are doing it in and where they're going. 896 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: And of course food source might change, right, There's a 897 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: lot of things that can change. But again, if you're 898 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: easy and into it, it's a great time here to 899 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: take advantage of it. Yeah, well for sure, And like 900 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: you said, you know that bed to food pattern is 901 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: going to be written in the snow, or written even 902 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: if you don't have snow, I mean written in the 903 00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: open the most open wood you're gonna have pretty much 904 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: the entire year. And there's a lot to learn there. 905 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: And one of the things you know you brought up about, 906 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: like betting, I'm not like a huge bed hunter like 907 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: it's I'm I'm trying to get better at it. But 908 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: one of the things that I love about shed hunting 909 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: because you you know, when you're out there looking for 910 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: an antler, you're if you see a bunch of beds 911 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: or you see a big bed in a certain spot, 912 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's gonna make you a little 913 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: bit curious, right, and man, seeing seeing like oh, they 914 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: bet on this secondary knob or this big bed tucked 915 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: into this deadfall so nothing could approach from behind. You 916 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: start to start to just learn some behavior, like there's 917 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: a reason why these beds are there, or there's a 918 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: reason why this loan bed is here. There's a reason 919 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: why this one antler was in the middle of this 920 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: patch of sumac here in March like this, I think 921 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: that's stuff so important, and it's just it's just kind 922 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: of like a woodsmanship thing almost. I guess, Yeah, you're 923 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: so right, man, there's so much that you can learn 924 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: from just spending that time in the woods. And this 925 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: is this is as as I guess easily read that 926 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,879 Speaker 1: you can get this time of year. You know, it's 927 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: just more difficult to come spring, it's more difficult to 928 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: come fall. And then you don't want to get into 929 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: these areas in the fall because you don't want to 930 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: be pushing these year around like this is a great 931 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: time of year to do that and a great time 932 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,359 Speaker 1: of year to learn. Yeah, big time. When you take 933 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: those those little kids out there, are you are you 934 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: planting some sheds for them so they're always successful? Oh? 935 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: Every time, every every time. You know, it's it's great 936 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: for me because, like what I'm trying to do is 937 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: ease them into this through success. You know. One of 938 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: the things I cannot believe. I cannot believe I ever 939 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: got into hunting, because I remember the first time everyone 940 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: hunting was a rifle season in Wisconsin. My dad bundled 941 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,240 Speaker 1: me up. He put me in a twelve foot ladder 942 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 1: stand with a rifle and said sit here until I 943 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: come back and get you. And I literally sat there 944 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: with my arms like curled up in like a fetal 945 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: type position, holding that rifle, closing my eyes, waiting for 946 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: my dad to come back. It was cold, it was miserable. 947 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing. I have 948 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: no idea why I like this, you know, looking back 949 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: in that first experience, and so for my kids, it's like, hey, 950 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,399 Speaker 1: I know, the croppies are biting like crazy. We're gonna 951 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: go out, We're gonna catch ten of them. We're gonna 952 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: have a blast, and then we're gonna be done with 953 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: them wanting more. Right, Like, I'm like, I want to 954 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: build this drive. What's the same thing here? Like, I'm 955 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 1: not gonna you know, take him out walk for a day, 956 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,479 Speaker 1: not find anything, let them get bored and go damn 957 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: can we go home? Can we go back? Like I 958 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: want to? I want to really build this fire? So 959 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, So I have, you know, my little easter 960 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: eggs that they'll plant out for them so they can 961 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: go find it. And of course, you know, my daughter 962 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: if if you were to ask her, she has she 963 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: has the best eyes and the family because she always 964 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: sees these things first, you know. So it's it's fun, man. 965 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: It's just this is one of those things that you 966 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, the hunting, and it can be 967 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: difficult at times to get the family, especially with young 968 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: kids involved. This is a really easy way to get 969 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: that going. And then all of a sudden, now you're 970 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: watching deer. Well, now you know my kids are understanding, Hey, 971 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: you know that deer only has one side. That means 972 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: there's one out there for us to find. It's really 973 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,760 Speaker 1: fun to see them putting all this together. Shed hunting 974 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: with kids is fun. I shattered my little girls worldview 975 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: this year because I've I've done that their entire life is, 976 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, carried a backpack out there and got a 977 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: little separation from them and chucked a few antlers out there, 978 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: and you know, they thought they were real badass shed 979 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: hunters for a long time. And to be fair, my 980 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 1: one daughter has found antlers that I didn't see or 981 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 1: I didn't plant or see like legit finds. The other 982 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: one never has. And this year, because I'm struggling with that. 983 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, my girls have been hunting in Wisconsin the 984 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,439 Speaker 1: last couple of years and in the last two years 985 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: they've killed six deer, you know, and they're they're eleven. 986 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: So they're like so freaking spoiled, and I'm like, I 987 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 1: gotta make this harder. And I think my one daughter 988 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: is actually gonna hunt with a vertical bow this year 989 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: because they've been hut with a crossbow and they're gonna 990 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna level up and find that it's a lot harder. 991 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 1: But with the shed thing, they were getting really cocky. 992 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: So I fussed up to him. I was like, you 993 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,720 Speaker 1: guys know that all those sheds, except for a couple, 994 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: were ones that I planted or I saw first, and 995 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: my one daughter, who hasn't found one, was so pissed. 996 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: But what happened is this winner. She's been asking me 997 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: to go more than ever because she's like, I'm going 998 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: to prove to you that I could find an antler 999 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: on my own. And so I feel like it was 1000 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,839 Speaker 1: a super lucky parenting win because I didn't I didn't 1001 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: know how that was gonna go, right. But now she's 1002 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: like competitive because she knows her sister has found some, 1003 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: and so she's like, we're going, I'm gonna show you. 1004 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: And she's pretty hard headed, so she'll she'll find one eventually. 1005 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 1: But when I told them that, they were like you 1006 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: just to look on their face, they're like, you bastard. 1007 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: Like they were so convinced that they were good at 1008 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: shed hunting and they are absolutely not. Oh gosh, that's 1009 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: that's like telling them the Saint is not real. Dude. 1010 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: This daughter, I've said this many times. You know they're twins. 1011 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,760 Speaker 1: I've got one who's she She observes everything, She notices everything, 1012 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: little details in nature. She asked questions about stuff where 1013 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: you're like she is into it, and the other one 1014 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: is so oblivious. And so this is a totally random story, 1015 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,840 Speaker 1: but we went to I took my one daughter to 1016 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: Cabella's the other day, the one who actually sees details 1017 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: and finds antlers. I took her. We bought a bunch 1018 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: of fishing stuff and she saw I can't I think 1019 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: it's called a live target or a living target that 1020 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: live target lures or something, but it's a it's a 1021 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: spider topwater lure, so you know, like a like a 1022 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: grass frog or whatever. But it's a soft plastic but 1023 00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: it's a big tarantula looking spider, and she she's infatuated 1024 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: with it. I was like, should we buy it and 1025 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: see if we can catch a smally on it? And 1026 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: she's like yeah. So I bought it, and then we 1027 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: got home and I was like, you know, we really 1028 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 1: should use this to prank your sister, Like we should. 1029 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 1: We should plant this somewhere and scare the shit out 1030 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 1: of her. Right, So we put this white it's white 1031 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: tarantula looking spider on the middle of the floor in 1032 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: her bathroom, this little bathroom downstairs, and then all day 1033 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: long we're like, oh, honey, you gotta go give the 1034 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: dogs water. Oh, can you go get this? Can you 1035 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: go get that? She went into that bathroom like six 1036 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: times and never noticed that. So we're like, we sent 1037 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: her down there, and we're like giggling and waiting for 1038 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,800 Speaker 1: the screams to start. She never noticed this enormous fake 1039 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: spider on her floor until the other sister like took 1040 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: her down and basically made her look at it. And 1041 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: I was like, no, wonder, you don't find any antlers, Like, 1042 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 1: no wonder, Like you've never been out there and been like, oh, 1043 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: there's an antler over there, Like you can't even see 1044 00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: this on a wood floor that you've been feet away 1045 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: from six times today, So so disappointing. Oh gosh, I'm 1046 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: a little more concerned with the reaction that you were 1047 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: hoping to get out of it. Uh, well, I know 1048 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: it was. It was a little bit mean, but once 1049 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: we started going with it, where like we got to 1050 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: see this through and because that daughter, if a ladybug 1051 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,880 Speaker 1: like lands near her, she freaks out, and so we 1052 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 1: knew she was gonna We knew it was gonna be 1053 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: a good reaction, but it really actually wasn't because we 1054 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: we had to like put it right in her face 1055 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: and it just didn't work out. But I was like, 1056 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,359 Speaker 1: I was like, here in my head, I'm like, you're 1057 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: never gonna be a good hunter. Like I don't know 1058 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 1: how you're ever gonna make it doing this, Like she 1059 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: doesn't notice anything. But maybe maybe this year because she's 1060 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: maybe the stubbornness, the hard headedness will we'll see it 1061 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: through for her. But I just don't know. Oh I'm 1062 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:16,520 Speaker 1: sure I'm her it will. What do people get wrong 1063 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 1: about shed hunting? Like, what do you what do you 1064 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,760 Speaker 1: think people who haven't done it a lot or aren't 1065 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: very successful, what are they missing? I really think the 1066 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: biggest thing is just simply that they're not in the 1067 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: area the sheds are. You know, just because you had 1068 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: deer there in the fall does not mean that they're 1069 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: going to be there in the winter. And just because 1070 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: you know you have a food source doesn't necessarily mean 1071 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: that you're going to find something. You know, I know 1072 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are just walking through a 1073 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: property just because that's what they proper, that's the property 1074 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: that they have, And I totally get that, you know, 1075 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: but it's hard to get discouraged if you're not being 1076 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 1: successful well because you still have to be where the 1077 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: deer are, where the deer dropping. And it's one of 1078 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: those things that you know that like for me, I 1079 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: set up all of my farms so that late season 1080 00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: I have this time of opportunity and make sure I've 1081 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,759 Speaker 1: got the bedding area and make sure I have the 1082 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: food and enough food for it to be late. That's 1083 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: a big one, right, Just because you have a food 1084 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: source that's you know, productive in the fall, does not 1085 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: mean that your you know, Corterbaker food plot is still 1086 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: going to be producing enough food for a deer herd 1087 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: field this time of year or that they can get 1088 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: to it. Right. I'm a big corn and beans guy 1089 00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: just because of what it offers, especially like right now 1090 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: we're eating two feet of snow. They're still going to 1091 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: be able to get to that food. So there's a 1092 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: lot of factors, but just you know, the success it 1093 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,880 Speaker 1: really is location. You've got to be where they're going 1094 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,719 Speaker 1: to be, where they drop. Yeah, well I've been thinking 1095 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,439 Speaker 1: about that a lot, you know, because it's it's so 1096 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: common to think about that cut corn field or the 1097 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: cut bean field or whatever. It's like the place to 1098 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: be first. And yeah, like you can find plenty of 1099 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: antlers in food sources, you know, like you just can. 1100 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: But I also think there's sort of there's sort of 1101 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 1: a parallel with shed hunting, where people kind of gravitate 1102 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: toward where they can see a lot. So you get 1103 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: into that open field or you get into that really 1104 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,719 Speaker 1: nice deciduous forest without a bunch of undergrowth, and you 1105 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: look around and I know, for me, especially here, you know, 1106 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: close to my house, the antlers I find are almost 1107 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: always like on the edge of a cat tail slew 1108 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: or in some kind of overgrown thicket or something like. 1109 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: They're very rarely in the nice open spots and the 1110 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: places where it's like comfortable to walk. And it's like 1111 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: it always feels to me kind of like a public 1112 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: land white till hunt, where I'm like, I'm never going 1113 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,759 Speaker 1: to kill one on a field edge on public land, 1114 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, like they're always going to be in the 1115 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: thickest shit they can get into, or some creek bottom 1116 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: or something. And antlers, to me, at least where I'm 1117 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: shed hunting, it feels like a lot of times those 1118 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: places where they're gonna go, you know, they're gonna bed 1119 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: down in the day, so they're spending quite a bit 1120 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: of time there and they might be browsing around at 1121 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 1: last light at first light, but sort of concentrated movement 1122 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,279 Speaker 1: in that. In the thicker stuff is where I tend 1123 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: to find a lot of antlers, and not very often 1124 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: do I find them out in the nice, wide open 1125 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,760 Speaker 1: where I'd like to Yeah, betting grasses, man, like those 1126 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: those are hot beds for me, just because, like I said, 1127 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: betting is where they're going to spend the majority of 1128 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,360 Speaker 1: their time this time of year. They want to conserve calories, 1129 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,800 Speaker 1: they want to conserve energy. They're going to be hanging 1130 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,280 Speaker 1: in those especially for us. You know, these grass areas, 1131 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: it's it's buffers from wind. You know. They can get 1132 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,240 Speaker 1: down there and they can stay warm, they can stay hidden. 1133 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: That is where we're really successful. But that's also where 1134 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: the dogs come into play, probably the most handy because 1135 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 1: in those wide open canopy bottoms, in those food plots 1136 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: you can see you know. So yeah, you could lead 1137 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: the dog into it, let the dog pick it up 1138 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,360 Speaker 1: and have fun doing a team work thing. But the 1139 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,799 Speaker 1: dogs that when they surprise you with one. To me, 1140 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: it tends to be in those betting grasses. Yeah, oh man, 1141 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: me too. And it also in those places where you know, 1142 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: you get into like a I don't know, a thicket 1143 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: of prickly ash or something where like you're just naturally 1144 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: kind of going where you can stand up the most 1145 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: and walk and a dog can just zip through that cover, 1146 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, obviously your dog's not quite as 1147 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: tall as a deer, but they're closer together than you know, 1148 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: we are to a lot of the deer, right or 1149 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's they can slip through the 1150 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: cover in a way that deer can as well. And 1151 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: it just feels like a lot of times, you know, 1152 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of like when you're grouse hunting in the woods, 1153 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,839 Speaker 1: like you're like, I want to I want to pick 1154 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,359 Speaker 1: a spot where I'm standing up so I can get 1155 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,719 Speaker 1: a shot, and those dogs are going all over through 1156 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 1: that cover that you don't want to go into if 1157 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: they if they're good dogs. The same thing happens when 1158 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: you're shed hunting, right for sure? For sure? Now what 1159 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: else are people missing here? Man? What have we not covered? 1160 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: Do you have like a you know, favorite conditions to 1161 00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: shed hunting, like lighting conditions or anything like that. Well, 1162 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: you know, for me, it just seems like there's certain days, 1163 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,359 Speaker 1: you know, from it the best days or the days 1164 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 1: that you know to do it right, Like whatever day 1165 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: I can get out there is best. But um, you're 1166 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: like for the bright days. For me, if there's snow 1167 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,280 Speaker 1: in the ground, you know, it always gets a little tougher, 1168 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: just because you know that your eyes are always trying 1169 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: to you know, get off that that fixation of right 1170 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: right right, you know, just like today, Yeah, I'm on 1171 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: the tractor moving snow for three hours and my eyes 1172 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: just hurt right because they're just so you know, you 1173 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: get war out just kind of focusing the whole time. 1174 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: But there's not really anything you know, for me that way, 1175 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of of when can I get out? 1176 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I just I like to let this 1177 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: snow kind of subside a little bit, especially in the 1178 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,680 Speaker 1: situation like we have now, because like I still have 1179 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,520 Speaker 1: deer that are holding I don't want to blow them 1180 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: out and you know, get their routine kind off because 1181 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: I know what they're doing. At the same side, I've 1182 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,320 Speaker 1: got the deer that have dropped that are really kind 1183 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: of anty and anxious, like they want to get out there. 1184 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,439 Speaker 1: So if I'm gonna air on a side, I'm gonna 1185 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: air on late, let everything drop, let everything become because 1186 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: a big part of this to me too is, you know, 1187 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: the deer have their routine here for a reason. You know, 1188 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: I think just out west a camera foras Utah or Colorado, 1189 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: like they just you know, banned shed hunting for the 1190 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,480 Speaker 1: foreseeable future, not that they won't open it up this year, 1191 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,720 Speaker 1: but it's because the winner has been so tough that 1192 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: the deer doing what they're doing for a reason. That's 1193 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: how they're living. And so the more that you're going 1194 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: and blow them out and get to the point they're 1195 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 1: not comfortable, get to the point that they're not you know, 1196 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: safe from what they feel like and like you're doing 1197 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: your herd a disservice. Yeah, all right, So I like 1198 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 1: to let them have that time, let them have that comfortability, 1199 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: to let them get their routine, let them get through 1200 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: the winter, and then I'm going to go in and 1201 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: try to try to do what I want to do, right, 1202 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,720 Speaker 1: But I'd really try to be very very selective in 1203 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: one of them. And you know, from a weather standpoint, 1204 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,840 Speaker 1: I guess the one thing I do keep track of 1205 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: is if I'm going into either a big storm like 1206 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,600 Speaker 1: we are now or I'm going into a real cold 1207 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 1: stretch that I know the deer are going to have 1208 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: to be feeding. I do try not to bugger them 1209 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,600 Speaker 1: up too much in that time, because that's again, at 1210 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day, the hole reason I'm doing 1211 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: this is because I care about, you know, my dear herd. 1212 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: I want you to watch them progress. I want them, 1213 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, to see them, um keep you know, growing 1214 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,000 Speaker 1: and improving. While I'm not going to do that if 1215 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: I if I make it to where they're having a 1216 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 1: more difficult time surviving than what it already is. Yeah, yeah, 1217 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 1: I wrestle with that too. And I've I've gotten to 1218 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,640 Speaker 1: the point in my life where if it's if it's 1219 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: bad conditions for them, I just don't go. I just wait. 1220 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: And I you know, part of that might be just 1221 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,480 Speaker 1: because I tend to have better shed hunts in March anyway, 1222 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean, like you, I've I've seen 1223 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,160 Speaker 1: dear you know, we saw a really good one still 1224 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: holding um you know, back there towards the end of February, 1225 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: and you know we I used to find a fair 1226 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: amount of big ones early and that seems to have 1227 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,880 Speaker 1: leveled off a little bit for me, probably because I 1228 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: don't go as much, but it just seems like, man, 1229 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,360 Speaker 1: you're you're starting to get those rough conditions where they're 1230 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: really strung uggling. It's just not worth it to go 1231 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: push them around. It's just not a good thing. And 1232 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: then you know by the time you get you know, 1233 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,160 Speaker 1: I usually figure or like the third third week of 1234 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 1: February a lot of the antlers around the ground, not 1235 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,080 Speaker 1: all of them, but you start getting into March, mid 1236 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: March and late March, and it's like that's the time 1237 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: when you're gonna go out, and it's just like it's 1238 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: gonna be kind of all or nothing. Like you you're 1239 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna have the right conditions. You're gonna get those overcast days. 1240 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,920 Speaker 1: If you're dealing with snow, it's eventually hopefully going to 1241 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 1: be gone. And you just get those conditions where it's 1242 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 1: like even though you got cheated out of a bunch 1243 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,440 Speaker 1: of the earlier shed hunting, that's when you can cover 1244 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,160 Speaker 1: serious miles. Plus the weather's you know, like really kind 1245 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: of catered toward walking a lot. And I just love that, man, 1246 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Like I love that time frame where it's like you know, 1247 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: your odds are as good then as any time you're 1248 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: gonna go shed hunting at any point, that's right. Yeah, 1249 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 1: that's probably one of my favorite times too. Let's let's 1250 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: wrap this up talk about dogs a little bit more. 1251 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: What what do you tell people? Because I know you 1252 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: probably get seven thousand emails and dms a week and like, hey, 1253 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I want to shed dog, but I don't want this dog, 1254 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,480 Speaker 1: or I don't want that, or I don't want to 1255 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,720 Speaker 1: high drive or I don't want to low drive. What 1256 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: do you what do you tell people generally if they're 1257 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: thinking about getting a dog for shed hunting. Yeah, it's 1258 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: a great question because you know, just like anything, you 1259 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: have to have the right dog. You know, just like 1260 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: a basketball coach. You know, if if a kid's going 1261 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: to be an all star, he's got to be the 1262 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: right kid, right Like, even with the best coach and 1263 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: the best facility is the best everything. If they're not right, 1264 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,440 Speaker 1: they don't have it, you're not going to go be 1265 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: successful with it. So you know, for us, retrieve drive 1266 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: is the number one thing because you think about it. 1267 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: So we talked about birds versus sheds earlier, right, So 1268 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: like birds, there's a lot of genetic DNA inside most 1269 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: of these dogs. To say, Hey, I want to do this, 1270 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,720 Speaker 1: but that's a warm, smelling, moving, you know, predator prey, 1271 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, type of situation bird versus a cold, hard, stationary, 1272 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: less than exciting antler or this laying on the ground. 1273 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,919 Speaker 1: And so, you know, just like going back that first 1274 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: story with Easton of why he wanted that so bad 1275 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 1: was just simply because he had the retrieve drive. But 1276 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 1: I funneled it into a tennis ball because at the 1277 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,160 Speaker 1: time they were cheap and easy to throw, and you know, 1278 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 1: cheap was a big deal for me when I was 1279 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 1: seventeen years old, Like I needed anything that I could 1280 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,720 Speaker 1: that I could afford, and so it was tennis balls, 1281 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: tennis balls, tennis balls. Well that's why he found a 1282 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: tennis ball in the middle of nowhere, because he loved 1283 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 1: it that much. And so what we then do is 1284 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,040 Speaker 1: we take these dogs with these high retrieve drives we 1285 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,560 Speaker 1: funneled into this object in a shed that this is 1286 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,680 Speaker 1: what we want, this this you know, funneled into And 1287 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: the one question we always get is can my dog 1288 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,919 Speaker 1: be a bird dog and a shed hunting dog? And 1289 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I think the best dogs tend to be both, right, 1290 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: because it's like they get that that you know, natural 1291 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 1: side whoising out of them through the birds, that's bread 1292 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,240 Speaker 1: into them, that's there, and then you can just take 1293 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,959 Speaker 1: this drive and this this athletic system and this desire 1294 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: and now it's like, all right, so here's this offseason 1295 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,840 Speaker 1: you know funnel that we're gonna now go try to 1296 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: accomplish this. And so you can absolutely do with both, 1297 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,080 Speaker 1: but you have to get the right dog to start with, 1298 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,640 Speaker 1: and that really all comes down to retrieve desires. So 1299 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 1: you get a non retrieving breed, you're probably not going 1300 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to be as successful at this. Of course, there's always 1301 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: exceptions to this rule. But if you're like, hey, I 1302 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,440 Speaker 1: want to put the odds in my favor that I 1303 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,040 Speaker 1: can go get a dog that is good at this, 1304 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: it's getting a very highly retrieve driven your dog and breed. Yeah, 1305 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 1: And we should break that down a little bit because 1306 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, people might be listening to this and going, oh, 1307 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: I can just go get a Golden Retriever and it's 1308 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: going to be a shed dog because it's got Retriever 1309 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: in the name, and it's like the level of retrieving 1310 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,440 Speaker 1: desire you need in a dog and that you need 1311 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: to foster in a dog I mean, it's got to 1312 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 1: be there naturally and you got to work to bring 1313 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,040 Speaker 1: it out. But to get them to be excited enough 1314 01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,040 Speaker 1: about something that isn't a bird or isn't a ball, like, 1315 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: it's not that easy. It's not as easy as it 1316 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,000 Speaker 1: sounds like. It's not inherent in them. And so you're 1317 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: talking about dogs that are really well bred. You're talking 1318 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,960 Speaker 1: about dogs like the dogs you work with, and you 1319 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,680 Speaker 1: guys are breeding and you know a lot of them 1320 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: you're training. Those bloodlines are super legit and so you 1321 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: know you're starting with the right pieces. They're on an 1322 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: awful lot of those dogs where that retrieving desire. It's 1323 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,360 Speaker 1: not going to be just like the dog that if 1324 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you throw a tennis ball in your yard, it's going 1325 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 1: to go get it and bring it back and spit 1326 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: it at your feet. It's the dog that's carrying something 1327 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 1: around in its mouth, you know, from puppyhood on all 1328 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,640 Speaker 1: the time and bringing you sticks and bringing you everything 1329 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,920 Speaker 1: because the off chance that you might just throw something 1330 01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: for it, like the dog that lives for that, because 1331 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's a weird ask to get them 1332 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,360 Speaker 1: to go get antlers, especially when you're out there for 1333 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,640 Speaker 1: three hours and they haven't found one, or you're on 1334 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, two days of shed hunting. You know, if 1335 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,480 Speaker 1: you if you haven't planned it. A couple like to 1336 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,919 Speaker 1: keep a dog, that's like going to stay in the game. There. 1337 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,440 Speaker 1: They have to w that so bad. Yeah, you're right, 1338 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, just just simply being a retrieving breed doesn't 1339 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: necessarily cut it in this case, because if they don't 1340 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,080 Speaker 1: have that extra level everything you're talking about, right, like 1341 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 1: the natural want to have something in my mouth, whether 1342 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: that's a slipper, whether that's a shoe, whether that's a sock, 1343 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,280 Speaker 1: whether that's like these dogs. Yeah, And the thing is 1344 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,680 Speaker 1: that I always think it is funny is that a 1345 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: lot of times people pick up a seventy eight we 1346 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,960 Speaker 1: go puppy bring them home like, oh, we're training, not retrieving. 1347 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,040 Speaker 1: It's like, well, if if a puppy was bred to retrieve, 1348 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: the only reason you bring home a week go puppy 1349 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,040 Speaker 1: and throw a retrieve forward is to validate to yourself 1350 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,600 Speaker 1: you did indeed buy a retriever, Like that's that's bread 1351 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: into them. When you throw something, they'll go get it, 1352 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,680 Speaker 1: not because they've been taught to do it, but because 1353 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: something inside of them says this is what I'm supposed 1354 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 1: to do, right, And and that is something that quite frankly, 1355 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,840 Speaker 1: not every breed. Like just because you know someone is 1356 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,440 Speaker 1: breeding dog does not doesn't mean that they have a 1357 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: true knowledge or true intent of why they are doing it. 1358 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,320 Speaker 1: And so I think it's even more important, Like if 1359 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,920 Speaker 1: this is your number one goal to have a shed 1360 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: hunting dog, I think it is even more imperative that 1361 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 1: you take your time and get a very well bred 1362 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,920 Speaker 1: dog that has a natural mouth and natural retreat in 1363 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 1: mind that you can funnel to this because if they're done, 1364 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,320 Speaker 1: if they're not going to have it, Like, if they 1365 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: don't want to do it, you're not going to teach 1366 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,240 Speaker 1: them to want to do it. They have to have 1367 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,760 Speaker 1: that from the get go. Yeah, and there's there's kind 1368 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,040 Speaker 1: of a misperception out there, And I know you've dealt 1369 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 1: with this a lot because you specialize in British labs 1370 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,160 Speaker 1: and there's the you know, the stereotypes around them, and 1371 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: there's the stereotypes around the American labs. And the reality 1372 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: is like people look at it and go, well, I 1373 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,240 Speaker 1: don't want a high drive dog, but I want a 1374 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,600 Speaker 1: dog to do this, and do that, and do this 1375 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,040 Speaker 1: and do that, and they're like, well, I want I 1376 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,240 Speaker 1: want the calm dog at home and the dog that's 1377 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,959 Speaker 1: going to be nuts in the pheasant field or never 1378 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 1: stop looking for antlers in the minute we get out 1379 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 1: of the truck. And it's like, you don't you kind 1380 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,360 Speaker 1: of don't understand what you're asking there, Like you if 1381 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,120 Speaker 1: you want that high retrieving desire, you're going to have 1382 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: somewhat of a high drive dog. Like they just you 1383 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 1: can't divorce the two. And it's you're not going to 1384 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: get this magical dog that just comes out of the 1385 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 1: package and it's you know, a sloth at home and 1386 01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,440 Speaker 1: this fiery beast out in the field. Like it's just 1387 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: it's not really how it shakes out with real dogs. Yeah. 1388 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Well the other thing too is that, yeah, I think 1389 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: we have now titled quote unquote drive in a way 1390 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,880 Speaker 1: that we can manipulate that meaning to what fits us. Right. 1391 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,360 Speaker 1: So what I mean by that is that you have 1392 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,640 Speaker 1: a dog that is in a duck blind and is 1393 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: sitting there and the whole time just sitting there wanting 1394 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,880 Speaker 1: all jacked up, Like people go, oh, it's just so driven. Wow, 1395 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:52,479 Speaker 1: Like I have I'm literally looking at right now one two, three, 1396 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven seven Master on hundred hundred 1397 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Trooper Champions have all the talent in the world. I 1398 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 1: don't think you've heard a single peep out of them 1399 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,800 Speaker 1: in the background. They will make a single noise. They 1400 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: have all the drive in the world, they have all 1401 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,320 Speaker 1: the desire to go do this, but they're under control, right, Like, 1402 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,040 Speaker 1: so there there's a difference there and drive and control 1403 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: and so yeah, like you're right, Like the hard part 1404 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,800 Speaker 1: is like you can't be like, well, I want I want, uh, 1405 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,599 Speaker 1: you know, a vehicle that's a Lamborghini when I want 1406 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,680 Speaker 1: a Lamborghini, and a super Duty when I want a 1407 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,599 Speaker 1: Super Duty and school bus when I want to school 1408 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,920 Speaker 1: like you know, like you really have to be honest 1409 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,679 Speaker 1: with yourself. Okay, what do I want? What do I need? 1410 01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: And then from there it's all about finding the right breeder. 1411 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,160 Speaker 1: If you can find the right breeder that can can 1412 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: connect those dots for you, someone that you can trust, 1413 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,640 Speaker 1: you will get that right dog. But it does take that. 1414 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,719 Speaker 1: You're not going to open up newspaper and say, hey, 1415 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,640 Speaker 1: farmer John had a you know, literate puppies and you 1416 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,439 Speaker 1: know someone for hundred bucks each like you could. Don't 1417 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,679 Speaker 1: get me wrong, you could, but again we're talking about 1418 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 1: how do you put the odds in your favor. That's 1419 01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,200 Speaker 1: not how you do it. Yeah, I wish, I wish 1420 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 1: we could talk about this for another seven hours or 1421 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,759 Speaker 1: Metia or would just let me do a freaking dog podcast, 1422 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,040 Speaker 1: But they won't. Uh, but I want. But anybody who's 1423 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,280 Speaker 1: listening to this wants to tell them they should, they should, 1424 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, wants to let me know that we should 1425 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,599 Speaker 1: have a dog podcast. Please please reach out to them 1426 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: and tell them. Uh. What I want to say on 1427 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,680 Speaker 1: that is there there's this kind of idea that you're 1428 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,559 Speaker 1: talking about, right, Like you know, if you if you 1429 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,679 Speaker 1: want that component, if you want that high retrieving desire, 1430 01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,880 Speaker 1: there's a way to get it, and it's going to 1431 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 1: be in the bloodlines and the pedigrees like it. That's it, 1432 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Like you're you could get lucky and come across it, 1433 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: but you're not consistently going to get that in any 1434 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,280 Speaker 1: other way. Like you have to know that, and people 1435 01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: get hesitant on that, and I get it, you know, 1436 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,680 Speaker 1: not everybody's looking for a dog to do the same 1437 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,960 Speaker 1: things you and I are. But when you look at 1438 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,559 Speaker 1: a dog that has that has been bred to retrieve, 1439 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,240 Speaker 1: like it's really gonna be one that's like, I'm gonna 1440 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,720 Speaker 1: go get that bumper five thousand times in a row 1441 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,600 Speaker 1: if you throw it five thousand times. A lot of 1442 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,439 Speaker 1: people look at that as a negative, but I look 1443 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,160 Speaker 1: at it not being a professional trainer like you, I go, man, 1444 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,439 Speaker 1: there's my dog's reward, its entire life. And if I 1445 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,840 Speaker 1: know what my dog's reward is, I know how to 1446 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,599 Speaker 1: train my dog to do all kinds of stuff that 1447 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,240 Speaker 1: benefits me as a bird hunter, as a shed hunter, 1448 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,439 Speaker 1: as somebody who just wants control of my dog and 1449 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,920 Speaker 1: a different environments at home and parks whatever. That aspect 1450 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:32,439 Speaker 1: of retrievers, like the high drive, high retrieving desire thing 1451 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: that is so fun to work with and can actually, 1452 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,439 Speaker 1: even though it sounds like it's a pain in the ass, 1453 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,599 Speaker 1: can actually make the process of developing a dog so 1454 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 1: much easier. Oh man, there is a single guy playing 1455 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,840 Speaker 1: in the NBA that didn't love basketball growing up, right, 1456 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 1: And quite frankly, there's probably a bunch of very very 1457 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,439 Speaker 1: talented players that never made it that far because they 1458 01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,599 Speaker 1: didn't have that desire, right like they That's one thing 1459 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,679 Speaker 1: you cannot teach, and so you know that the desire 1460 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,080 Speaker 1: is such a big piece of this that you know, 1461 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,120 Speaker 1: and it's something that again I go back to the breeding, 1462 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: because that's what it's all about. Like you have to 1463 01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,760 Speaker 1: get with the breeder that truly has a why, like 1464 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,960 Speaker 1: why are they doing this? And why are they breeding 1465 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,840 Speaker 1: the dogs that they have? Like I truly believe most 1466 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,880 Speaker 1: breeders out there breeding the dogs that they're breeding because 1467 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,120 Speaker 1: those are the dogs that they have, right and they 1468 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: can make a sales pitcher on it all that they want, 1469 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,800 Speaker 1: but that's why they're breeding those dogs. And so it's 1470 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,759 Speaker 1: like for me, like I want to find a breeder 1471 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: that is doing things for a reason, that has a 1472 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,720 Speaker 1: process that's being selective because if they've done all that 1473 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 1: work for me, now it's way less for me to 1474 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,880 Speaker 1: have to do and I can just trust what they're doing. 1475 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: They are on the same wavelength as I am, the 1476 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,800 Speaker 1: same thought process, looking they know what I'm looking for. 1477 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,439 Speaker 1: I trust them. I'm gonna get the right dog. Once 1478 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,640 Speaker 1: you have the right dog, it is all about the 1479 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,639 Speaker 1: situations that you put that dog into. So yeah, it's 1480 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,519 Speaker 1: on you from there. But if you have the right dog, 1481 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,519 Speaker 1: it's going to be possible. If you don't, it's just not. 1482 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I don't care how much time you put into it 1483 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,320 Speaker 1: and how much you know, don't care how much time 1484 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,800 Speaker 1: or how much work you put into it. It's never 1485 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: going to work out like what you want. If the 1486 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,679 Speaker 1: dog doesn't want to go do it big time, big time. 1487 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: If you if you want a good way to sort 1488 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,760 Speaker 1: of guide you on this a little bit, you think 1489 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,800 Speaker 1: about the average dog buying process. If you if you 1490 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,240 Speaker 1: go look up whatever you know you want. You want 1491 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: a black lab. You want to yell a lab whatever, 1492 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 1: I don't care what color it is. You want a lab. 1493 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,360 Speaker 1: And you're like, I'm you could go find that. You 1494 01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,679 Speaker 1: could find litters of labs everywhere. But when you start 1495 01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,599 Speaker 1: talking to breeders, if if you're the only one asking questions, 1496 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,680 Speaker 1: if they're like, we'll sell you this dog because we've 1497 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,800 Speaker 1: got a litter coming up, and they don't ask you like, 1498 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,839 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with it? What's your experience 1499 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,000 Speaker 1: with dogs? Like, you know, do you fessan hunt to 1500 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 1: your gross hunt? What do you do? You're probably not 1501 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,960 Speaker 1: talking to somebody who's breeding a dog for high drive 1502 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: and sort of specific standards. That way. But if you 1503 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 1: go to somebody and you're like, hey, I want to 1504 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,920 Speaker 1: buy one of your dogs, and they're like, okay, I 1505 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,920 Speaker 1: got a bunch of questions for you, then you might 1506 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,640 Speaker 1: start to be on the right track, because those are 1507 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,760 Speaker 1: people who don't want to place a dog that's been 1508 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,680 Speaker 1: bred really well for certain tasks with somebody who's not 1509 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: going to let that dog do that and encourage that 1510 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: that's right. That's probably the number one piece of feedback 1511 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,479 Speaker 1: that I get when people go through our puppy process 1512 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 1: and get a puppy from us, it's, oh my gosh, 1513 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,519 Speaker 1: you guys were so thorough And when they ever followed 1514 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,280 Speaker 1: it up with you know, how do you go about 1515 01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:26,599 Speaker 1: it or why do you go about that? The way 1516 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,000 Speaker 1: I say it is, look, I am all about, you know, 1517 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,559 Speaker 1: my customer experience. I know it's weirdest kind of say, 1518 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, from a dog standpoint, because we don't look 1519 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 1: at at these puppies says your products right. But the 1520 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,960 Speaker 1: reality is I run my business like a business, not 1521 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 1: as a hobby, and so when I look at that, 1522 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,880 Speaker 1: I go, Okay, my customer experience is all about them 1523 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,640 Speaker 1: getting the right dog right. Like if I get the 1524 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,000 Speaker 1: wrong dog. It doesn't matter how well it's bread, it 1525 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,880 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how healthy it is, it doesn't matter. Like 1526 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,040 Speaker 1: if it's not the right fit. Like the dog could 1527 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,519 Speaker 1: be great, people could be great, but just not the 1528 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,880 Speaker 1: right fit for each other, the customer experience is not 1529 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,679 Speaker 1: going to be a positive one. And so that's why 1530 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,479 Speaker 1: we are so over the top, so thorough on that 1531 01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: process because I feel like that's our job, you know, 1532 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,799 Speaker 1: in this and of course you know, you could always 1533 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,960 Speaker 1: find a situation where it doesn't work out. But it's 1534 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,479 Speaker 1: amazing how often we get an email you go a 1535 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,120 Speaker 1: year later going, I cannot believe you picked the absolute 1536 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,720 Speaker 1: right dog for us. Well, it wasn't my accident. Yep, yep, 1537 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,200 Speaker 1: I love it, buddy. Where can people find you out there? 1538 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Because everybody listening to this wants a puppy now, so 1539 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,120 Speaker 1: where can they go? Right? So, Riverstone Kennels, you can 1540 01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,799 Speaker 1: find us either on the web www dot Riverstone Kennels 1541 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,920 Speaker 1: dot com, find us on Facebook, on Instagram we do 1542 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,080 Speaker 1: a lot on there. Can also find us on YouTube 1543 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,920 Speaker 1: as we're doing more content on their showing our hunts, 1544 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 1: showing some of the day to day with the training 1545 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,680 Speaker 1: and if anyways out there are looking to train their 1546 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:56,080 Speaker 1: own dog. Www. Dot Retriever Roadmap dot com is a 1547 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,960 Speaker 1: huge video library that I've put together over years and 1548 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,680 Speaker 1: years and years, and it's all about giving you a 1549 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,920 Speaker 1: lot of different options of how to train your dog 1550 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 1: at home to be successful. And what's so cool about 1551 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,519 Speaker 1: that as a community that's kind of come from that 1552 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,080 Speaker 1: of people are getting together training, people are helping each 1553 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: other out with different situations. It's really really a neat thing. 1554 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,120 Speaker 1: So that is a Retriever Roadmap. Awesome, love it, buddy, 1555 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on man, you bet 1556 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,080 Speaker 1: pal anytime you guys have a great rest of the 1557 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,479 Speaker 1: winter and go find some more sets with those girls. 1558 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160 Speaker 1: We will, Buddy. That's it for this week, folks, be 1559 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week for some more whitetail goodness. 1560 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 1: This has been the Weird to Hunt podcast. I'm your 1561 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,519 Speaker 1: guest host, Tony Peterson. As I always, thank you so 1562 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,320 Speaker 1: much for listening. If you're looking for more whitetail content, 1563 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,439 Speaker 1: you can head on over to our YouTube channel to 1564 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,360 Speaker 1: check out our weekly how to content, or you can 1565 01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,639 Speaker 1: go to the Mediator dot com slash wired and read 1566 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:50,360 Speaker 1: articles by Mark myself, Alex gilstrom Beaumartonic a whole bunch 1567 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,080 Speaker 1: of absolute white tail killers