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Speaker 1: Which which is worse saying my nodter or the girl.

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Speaker 2: Which maybe my nodter?

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Speaker 1: MyD just a made up word? What because it's like

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Speaker 3: But maybe that's better. Maybe it's like, oh, we got

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Speaker 2: You're not my daughter, you're my.

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Speaker 1: Mater, you're my nister. I don't know. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: It feels weird to me. Anyway. This is all tackling

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Speaker 1: the question should you have a relationship with your partner's

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Speaker 1: non says buckle up. Fifteen years ago, I was twenty

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Speaker 1: of three years, Natalie, was acting increasingly strange. Oh. I

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Already, I don't believe it. Someone said Paula A. Terrell said,

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Speaker 1: daddy's little squirt. It's what you should call it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what, which is terrible because I don't

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Speaker 1: So I asked how far along she was, and she

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Speaker 1: But if you insisted, for the sake of decency, I

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Speaker 2: She's lying.

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Speaker 1: Where was she with the decency like she was? I mean,

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Speaker 1: And they're like, oh yeah, just give her a free

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Speaker 3: How I think what they're saying is that they don't

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Speaker 1: Well, then she should get the paternity test.

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Speaker 3: If no, no, I think she cheated. So I think

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Speaker 3: that Ope's in the clear.

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Speaker 1: Get that paternity test.

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Speaker 2: The baby mamas into.

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Speaker 1: Everyone Harley, and Quinzel says she is dropping him. It's

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Speaker 2: It to trap trap.

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Speaker 1: I consulted a lawyer about this mess, and the lawyer

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Speaker 2: Uh? Like legal fire, Like they couldn't huge against.

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Speaker 1: Him, legal cudgel couldn't be seen as legal cudgel like that.

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Speaker 1: I told him, if he believes that he can house her,

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Speaker 1: For all exactly. Yeah, because I and I think you

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Speaker 1: Right, how about you do it? Child was born and

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Speaker 1: Emma is who's the daughter?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Amandadan says, Cebee, don't forget she's a child, manipulated

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Speaker 1: For sure. But it's like I also feel I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm I feel like it's it's it's not

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Speaker 1: Mark, Natalie can't do it, but Emma can.

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Speaker 1: But there is an update, one final update that I

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Speaker 1: got the phone of my attorney and this is two

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair, and that's where that story ends,

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Speaker 1: and that's where this many stream ends. So thank you

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Speaker 1: all for coming. I'll read the last couple of dons

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Speaker 1: Amandine CB. I'm a zombie at day because the lives

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Speaker 1: my dream job, so I will listen next one, see

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Speaker 1: you soon, Amandine shout out you. I hope the dream

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Speaker 2: So we have no streams Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

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Speaker 1: We might do a stream in the in the wild,

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Speaker 1: but no, we're probably gonna, yeah, record all of Tuesday

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