WEBVTT - Ep. 358: Thoreau Would Likely Have Little Use For You 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast, coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by First Light creating proven versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.280 every hunt, First Light, Go farther, stay longer. Can everybody coming? 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.720 Uh coming coming to you? Perched high above the beautiful 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:45.000 Pacific Ocean, wonderful for you here, Thank you with Kimmy Werner, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:52.560 Seth Morris, Coudy, Danny Bolton, Ryan Callahan. Danny has the 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.720 first little just as the first little thing titillate everybody. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.400 Did we talk when you were on the show before 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.400 do we talked about what you did for a living? Um? 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:06.240 Real briefly that again I find those Yeah. So we 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.200 trained some military special forces guys and some other government agencies, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.800 UM off road driving, off our driving technique and then 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.680 a lot of recovery stuff. So a lot of work 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.480 with the winches, UM, a lot of work would just 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.480 towing each other out if they need to use toast 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.760 draps or whatnot, and then also filling them in on 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.920 how to fix stuff, kind of giving them the confidence 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.880 and wrenching on their own vehicles. UM, A lot of 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.960 guys have that kind of personal desire to do for 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.759 their own vehicles too. But if we break an axle 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.680 or something or blow a differential out there, we get 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.039 them in there, we get them involved, and then it 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.840 just gives them a chance to kind of understand that 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:48.160 whole process and see how how simple it really can be. UM, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.040 if you kind of know what you're doing, and just 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.480 try to build that confidence in them. So if something 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.840 happens to them out in the field, A lot of 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.560 times did just be leaving that vehicle if it was 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.080 a dire situation. But once you're down to one vehicle, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.840 that's all you got. So, UM, do you guys train 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.280 in the same vehicles they use? We do. Uh this 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.520 next trip that we're going out there bringing out some 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.440 of their own military vehicles. So I'll just be riding 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.720 in one of those. Um they're called the one dot ones. 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.200 So we're training in their vehicles. And then a lot 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.600 of times they'll get like toylet of high lux is 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.160 and they'll get an array of vehicles because sometimes they 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.359 want to blend in wherever they're going, so they get 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.440 some pretty Yankee stuff from what I've seen some pictures 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:38.239 of sometimes, so just kind of giving them a good 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.639 feeling of off road mobility stuff and what they can 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.440 be capable of. A lot of it is just building 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.800 confidence in them. Is that is that what you want 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.000 Danny to hit her? Or was it the coffee roasting? 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:54.240 You're more interested no vehicle driving? Yeah, you're tangled up 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.760 in the coffee business. I'm tangled left and all kinds 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.760 of stuff. Um. My family has an rushing company, so 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.240 I grew up working construction. UM a lot of heavy equipment, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:10.280 running bulldozers or excavators or whatnot. And then also my 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.160 dad had a ranch property that he bought in one year. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.320 They were slow and he didn't you know, the construction 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.600 was slow, so he's like, hey, let's keep these guys 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.520 busy and planted a coffee field. So when I was 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.399 a kid ten eleven years old, we had to plant 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.359 a bunch of these coffee trees down in the nursery 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.520 next to our house, let them grow for a year, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.080 and then we took him up to the farm and 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.640 planted him. Um up at the farm when I was 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.120 twelve or thirteen, And it takes a couple of years 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.400 for those coffee trees to really start producing. But the 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.960 first couple of years it did produce, they ended up 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.080 winning first place in a cupping competition. So then I 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.119 was like, okay, like we got we have something here. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.440 So kind of snowballed from there. You know, website, coffee shop, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.760 our whole owned million because my dad's really hands on 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.520 and wants to see the whole process. So I bought 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.080 all the equipment. I ran the dry mill for a 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.040 long time and the wet mill. So the wet mills, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.720 when the coffee comes off the farm, it's got to 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.200 get the skin off, it washed and then dried so 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.600 that it's shelf stable, drive to a certain temperature um 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.480 not temperature, moisture content so that it doesn't mold, and 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.640 then from there you sort it again so that you 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.159 have all the same sized coffee beans so when you 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.440 roast it, it's like putting cookies in the oven, right, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.800 Like you got small ones and big ones. The big 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.440 ones aren't gonna be done by times the small ones 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.039 are burnt, so you want to get all the same 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.280 sized beans, all the same density. So it's a couple 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.599 of machines that have to run for that, And it 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.120 was cool because that was mainly during the winter. I 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.160 would do that work, so I'd come home work three 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.680 four months in the winter, and then I could go 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.480 travel and do work wherever else. I was traveling doing 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.960 a bunch of automotive stuff too. Um and that heavy 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.680 machinery experience kind of let into your driving too, right, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.720 because you gotta make your own dirt bike courses and stuff. Yeah, 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.000 I did so when we were kids, when you know, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.880 we were blessed to have equipment, so anytime it wasn't 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.000 being used, we'd built it own dirt bike track stuff. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.200 So we built some pretty crazy ask jumps that I 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.760 probably wouldn't let my own kid jump, you know. And 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:15.200 um dot led into working in the automotive industry. UH 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.640 company came over here and wanted to build a course 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.160 for because they sponsored iron Man that we have here 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.360 the World Championships in Kuna, and they wanted some people 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.080 to be able to drive over some bumps and stuff. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.200 And they called my dad and he was like, hey, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.960 none of my employees built that track. My son built it, 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:35.440 you know, and his cousins. UM. So they called me 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.120 and I was sixteen at the time, and so I 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.920 was like, yeah, no, problem, like sounds easy, and I 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.160 showed up and I was real short to at that time. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.000 I like grow spert later on, and that guy was 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.480 just questioning me big time, and I knew we had 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.560 the skills. I told my cousin, like, hey, let's get 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.320 this done. We had three days to build it. We 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.480 built it in one day, and the guys like, all right, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.600 these guys are legit. So the next year, right out 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.000 of high school, I went working eleven. I went six 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.920 months on the road um for a certain car company 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.040 tour that we did and built tracks all over the US. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.400 And that's kind of what led me to the mainland. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.440 Like I was born and race here and then read 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.080 out of high school, I was over there and they 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:18.800 didn't really want to fly me back and forth, so 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.080 I was CouchSurfing. I'd go to my aunts and stuff 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:25.120 in California, and ended up in gardner Ville, Nevada for 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.359 a little while, which is by Lake Tahoe. So that 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.920 brought me to the mainland for about four or five 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.400 years until the recession hit in two thousand and ten. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.520 Two thousand nine, I moved home and just started working 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:38.080 construction because that the whole car company right the whole 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.440 car industry dried up. But during that time in the Mainland, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.760 we raced off road. We built our own race truck 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.640 because we knew how to weld and everything. So me 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.680 and my cousin fabricated our own race truck, built the 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.200 whole world cage and everything, and did real well doing 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.480 that desert racing like the Baja Staff, and then that's 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.799 kind of all that's kind of led into the military stuff. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.479 I met a friend on a toy at a photo 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.159 shoot that's like, dude, I gotta get you into this 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.160 because we gotta go camping for four days. I need 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.479 someone who can help cook. It's not going to complain, um, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.000 you know about being cold or tired or whatever, because 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.640 some days we're out there, you know, middle of the 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.000 night with night vision on trying to fix something. So 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.280 I was like, yeah, man. So that kind of got 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.119 me into the whole military thing, which is awesome because 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.560 with those guys that you know, you can really be yourself. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.080 Some of the corporate stuff, you've gotta be careful what 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.280 you say, you know, dot your eyes, cross your tees 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.880 and like be a certain way. But with these guys, um, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.920 they have a lot of the similar mindset as us 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:41.320 and just enjoying like the struggle. So it's been a pleasure. Mhmm. Yeah, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.880 so it makes you think I got the wrong business man. Yeah, 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.440 And I've done some like hunting, guiding and stuff, and 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.880 I'll do I'll teach class for that outfit called taking 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:56.120 her slow. Yeah. Yeah. But here's how I like to 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.760 drive down trails. It's called using your binoculars. Just kind 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.400 of re blog. That's a big part of it. Like 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.000 these guys, it's the same as offered racing. Like most 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:10.080 offered racing, the finishing rate is so of the people 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.440 who start the race. You know, some races are a 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.600 little bit better, but a lot of people start the 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.440 race don't finish. So we teach these guys like, go 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.920 fast when you can, but there's certain areas you cannot 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.160 go fast. You have to take it easy on the vehicles. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.160 And we're talking like inches. If you're off on the 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.400 wrong line, you're not making it up an obstacle. But 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.920 if you just take your time, back it up a 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.960 little bit, use the right technique. We teach them a 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.280 lot of driving with both feet, you know, left foot 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.319 on the brake, right foot on the gas. A lot 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.920 of open differential stuff. Um, one tire will get up 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.120 in the air, and those differentials are lazy. They'll send 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.760 all the power to the easiest one to turn. So 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.880 you're using that left foot break to kind of modulate 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.800 that and still get traction, and that a way. It 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.360 keeps it too, from getting to a bunch of wheel spin. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.679 And that's where you start breaking assholes and differentials because 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.240 you get all that wheel spin, all that torque, and 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.680 then all of sudden, if you go over something, it 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.760 gets traction again. All that traction has gotta go somewhere, 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.719 and that's where you start snapping stuff, drive shofts and 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.800 stuff like that. So mhmm, yeah, it's fascinating man. Yeah, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.760 I'd like to take that course. Yeah, yeah, I'd love 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.160 to have you guys out. I'd love to have you 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.880 guys out. Well, we'll plan a trip. Yeah, we get 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.480 a couple of vehicles together and um think steve truck. Yeah, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.240 we can take Steve's truck or we can take your 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.040 own vehicles, we can take our vehicles. We'll take both 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.800 because we have all the tools and stuff set up too. 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.040 We'll make sure we have the right stuff and we 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.839 can even come scout some stuff in Montana because a 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.080 lot of are a lot of hunting, right, you end 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.400 up in some pretty crazy places. I'm sure you have 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.160 stories of being stuck somewhere and do you hunting? And Sonora. Man, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.800 it's like a proving ground for vehicles. Okay, Uh, we're 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.280 gonna come out here anyway. I haven't contacted yet, but 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.920 there's a we're gonna have like all company dive, not 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.240 all company. We're gonna try to get a private free 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.559 dive one and two yeah, safety rescue. All that ship 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.679 lined up. I haven't contacted the dude yet, but he's 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.400 in Hawaii. Yeah, and um so if we come out 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.200 for that, we can do vehicle training to that. You 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:09.480 want to go to our dive thing with this kid? 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.440 I would love to. And I think that's great. You 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.360 guys are going to do that. You could be like, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:18.840 that's not how I do it. We should round it out, sharks, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.120 throw like a Woolford course in there too. Just knock 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:28.360 a bunch of stuff out. Two d medical, Yeah, driving 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:33.080 diving medical. Uh. Okay, I gotta move down the line here. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.359 Oh do you know what did you see this article? Uh? 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:43.240 Do you know the actor Nick Offerman. He plays like 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.000 on Parks and reck It's kind of like Parks and 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.520 Recket is kind of like the Goodwill Bin of the office, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.640 Like they had the office and someone's like, which we 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.960 had more stuff like that, right, and so they came 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:58.520 up with that. So the dude, there's a guy that 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.760 plays kind of blow hard on he plays like a 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.320 libertarian Nick Offerman. Oh that's oh yeah, okay, I got you. Yeah. 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.679 He writes this thing and Outside Magazine, and I used 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.600 to be on the mast headed Outside Magazine. So it's 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.640 funny someone sends me this article he wrote called Nick 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.160 Offerman's Call of the Candy Ass. And when I saw 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.600 the headline, I was like, he stole my dad's word, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:25.800 because I've never heard anybody but me and my old 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.800 man described to one as a candy ass. Naturally, I 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.199 read the article. It turns out he's talking about the podcast. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.640 He's talking about this podcast. Well he says how he 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.280 says he's listening to a podcast. He doesn't name the podcast. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.360 This is a recent episode, and a guest we had, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.880 and I think it's John Allen was talking about Throw 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:50.480 Henry David Throw, and I pointed out because there's an article. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.880 I can't remember who wrote the article hacking on Throw 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.440 about how like throws like he went to live in 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.200 this cabin, you know, but it like he's going to 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.600 his moss house every other day, right, right, But like 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.240 it wasn't this writer kind of looked at like how 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.920 Throw presented what his reality was. You know that was 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.200 Brent West because we were talking about Maine and Throw, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:19.840 and you're like, okay, because like so there's this thing 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.200 like throws. Time in the woods is understood to be away, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.720 but there was like you know, there's been like exposes 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.559 about like what throw is actually about. Like he's a 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.920 big mom's boy and he went to so I said, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:37.920 throws a candy ess. So this guy Offerman writes about 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:43.760 this podcast host me okay, and how he upset he 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.160 is about what I said about Throw. And then he 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.120 goes on like you know this kind of like classic 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.200 like the outdoors is for everybody and it's not your 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:56.720 position to judge, right, and who are you to write 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.320 all this stuff? But they also it's weirdly like he 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.320 like weirdly contradicts himself. It's mostly like a bike riding 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.280 story he like, but he sets it up about this 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.280 mean podcast host and then closes with a mean podcast 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:15.119 host and it's about him riding his bike ground uh 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.559 And he says he contradicts himself because he says how 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:23.960 throw in his words throw head um. He says, I 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.960 powerfully admire Throw, but I wasn't anger. Instead, I wondered 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.239 if this guy was aware of the naturalist storied toughness. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.440 This is a quote, an Offerman quote. His inner circle 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.840 of friends knew him to hike for many miles, often 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:41.280 with wet feet. And he goes on and so this 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.440 is Offerman on Throw. He says Throw had little use 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.200 for those who couldn't keep up, which would lead me 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.360 to believe that Hearthrow has little use for those who 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.120 can't keep up, which need leads me to believe that 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.760 he's a bully or is the outdoors forever everyone not 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.880 and throws of you because he has little use for 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.800 those who can't keep up, according to Offerman. Then we 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.760 get down the page and Offerman then has this to 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:17.000 say about I sensed that that demeaning podcast hosts and 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:23.920 cyclist hating drivers come from a culture of bullying and aggression, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.640 one that so often misunderstands our need for outdoor adventure. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.520 It's like he's hanging out in the discussions they have 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.920 at my kids elementary school bullying and aggression. It's like 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.480 you think a dude, an actor who makes his living 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.160 being funny, would better understand like a joke. Uh, well, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.400 here's something that you need to know about this fella 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.960 he's got. He spent all of his time being a 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.600 a woodworker, and from what I've seen and kind of read, 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.920 he's like New England style, is kind of a traditional woodworker. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.560 He's got his own word working show up. I think 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.960 he's got some employees these days, and they turn out stuff. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:09.880 And I want to say that he built either canoes 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:16.000 or kayaks or something like that good, and I would 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.600 venture to expound that, Um, a man who builds a 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.760 hand carved canoe is going to be real tight with 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.080 Throw mm hmm to go for a paddle, as they say, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.320 and that, but like bullying and aggression. To make a 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.320 joke about Throw. We asked him to come on the 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.320 show and his person said, Nick is not available. Yeah, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:45.920 and Throw's Dad's you can't get that. I think there's 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:51.280 a there's a line in there, beads of water sliding 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.400 off the back of your canoe paddle like like bullying 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.680 and aggression. Should I like to listen to the show. Oh? 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.640 I loved his character on on Parks Wreck. That's one 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.040 of the few I bet I've seen more Parks and 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.840 Wreck episodes than I ever did the Office episodes. Um, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.880 maybe he's want to be hunter and he was in 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:16.040 that using that Sam Elliott movie that got a bunch 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.880 of awards. I think we're Sam Elliott's like the kind 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.400 of hack cowboy actor that gets a second shot. And 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.000 you ever see that one? Real good Offerman was a 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.040 great character in that. I didn't know who it was 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.920 until I realized it was the blow hard from Parks Wreck. 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:41.800 I wouldn't even what's that? I don't I don't think so. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.360 But he was just like, uh, he was a well 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:50.080 defined character compared to everybody else. Yeah, yeah, I like that. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.480 Uh here's a good piece of mal What do you 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.280 think about that? Kenny? I mean, I do think you 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.880 can be demeaning sometimes, but that sometimes yes, but I 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:05.560 he's telling that like when yesterday you were being very 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.280 demeaning towards stand up paddling and saying that anybody who's 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.520 into that, Um, you just wonder why they would ever 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.920 get into it and what the heck they gave up 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.960 to get into it, or maybe they just didn't do 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:25.640 anything ever before and that's why they got into it. Yeah, okay, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.600 give me some more. Is that really the word for it? 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:34.399 Or it just like a judgmental I'm skiing. I always 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:41.480 hear you putting down skiers. Yeah, I know. Anything like 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:47.800 something else I'm demeaning about is any kind of when 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.919 your kids are in something that makes them have to 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:54.040 be somewhere on weekends. Yeah. I ever heard you talking 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.960 about that yesterday too and saying, don't play any sports 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.200 on the weekends because no, but he's gonna go We're 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:09.879 not good. Yeah, I know. Well I'll have you know that. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.000 My wife starting to talk some sense and do him 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.320 actually talking, and she said I had failed utterly because 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:22.040 he just dug his heels in. So he's he's enrolled 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.840 in weekend sports. It's up in the air, Kimmy, what's 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.240 your parental position on that? I don't know. I was 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.800 definitely listening and thinking what am I gonna do when 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.919 buddies of that age, because I would feel the exact 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.879 same way, where like eight saturdays in a row. Do 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.199 you need to go down to this place? Yeah, and 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.560 my dad was the same way with me, where we 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.200 didn't get into any sports that took him away from 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.040 like fishing and diving and camping and stuff. Tell me 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.120 more demeaning things, so I'm gonna try to change my ways. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.280 Are the ones that came to my mind right away. Um, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.320 just one example from each day would be fine. What 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.040 about the tame pets? Oh that I don't like domestic animals? 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.359 You guys, here's the problem. Yeah, we're gonna move on. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.080 And here's the problem. Here's what I don't like about 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.040 what you're doing. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna demean you 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.760 guys from it. This is gonna apply to me to 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:22.479 let's letter. H. Everyone has opinions about stuff. Yeah, okay, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.360 everyone has opinions about stuff. Um, but I find that 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.120 when if someone has an opinion and they and they 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:37.000 like ex like express it emphatically or or really express it, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.119 that it starts to make people uncomfortable. Right, So me 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.200 saying that, like, domestic dogs aren't as interesting to me 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.960 as wild dogs because I don't understand what they do 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:53.080 all day. But but Kyo bust his ass all day, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.119 it's just more interesting to me. But then somebody like, well, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.320 that's demeaning to domestic dogs. Yeah, everybody has an opinion, right, 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.200 but a lot of people just don't say what they're thinking, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:06.159 or it's just like one little blip and then you 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.720 don't get the full story behind why they feel that way. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.439 My wife would be like, you always think you're right. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:17.760 I'm like, do you often think you're wrong? I think 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:22.560 the difference between that, though, is everybody has opinions, and 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.880 that is absolutely true. But I think that when you 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:31.600 can understand that so many truths all exist at the 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.560 same time, and so your opinion is just one of 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.040 many many truths, Um, then I think it sounds a 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.240 little less demeaning. But if you say your opinion like 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.560 this is the truth and this is the only truth, 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.720 then everybody else got it wrong, then um, it sounds 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.399 a little demeaning. That's a hard pill to swallow. Let 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.960 me counter counter. Here's the way to look at it. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:21:00.840 Throws dead so like Mama's boy. No, So here's we're 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.880 talking about a dead writer. Okay, throws dead like I'm 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.000 not gonna hurt, throws like book sales to high school 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:13.880 students Okay, stand up paddle boarding is a a luxury 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:19.000 recreational activity. It's not like it's like a It's like 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.040 like many of the things I'm too into. It's kind 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.439 of a nothingness. My feelings about domestic dogs are going 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.639 to have any impact on pet ownership in America. I 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.439 have a domestic dog, so maybe I'm like goofing on 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:39.000 like fairly harmless things that don't really matter. Okay, so 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.200 if if I'm like goofing on stand up paddle board, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.680 He's like, am I really? Am I really like creating 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:53.200 trouble for someone no or a dead guy? I mean, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.040 I don't. I'm not bothered by your how you can 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:01.439 be demeaning. Sometimes I think that it's line, you know, 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.040 but it's still demeaning. Dude. I'm not going to mean 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.919 anything anymore. Start being one of those if we can 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.800 get through this podcast, I'm gonna start being one of 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:17.320 those guys just likes everything. It's funny when you said 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.359 I'm gonna be that guy who likes everything. The dog 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:29.879 emerged from underneath the couch. Where's that dog? Um Ah? Okay, 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.960 I think it's good you have opinions. You're to hurt 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.439 people's doings and that's fine. Yeah, more people need to 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.840 share their opinions because people are getting thin skin. Well 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.680 that's why he let me back up before we even 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.800 talk about this. I asked Nick Offerman to come on 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.639 the on the show, and we got like had I 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.760 had some people, you know, new people that knew him 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:57.520 and his schedule are like blew it off. So my 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.960 instinct was to have him on the show and laugh 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.760 about throwing. Yeah, that was his opportunity to share his opinion. Well, 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.080 I thought it'd be fun. I even said that we'll 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.199 talk about we'll talk about your books, authors do real 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.480 well in the show, we'll talk about throwing. It'll be fun. 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.920 He's not available. He's too covered in sawdust thinking about 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.600 his new England paddle, probably a close proximity to his 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:23.000 mom's house, right, Steve um Oh, I got a prosecutor. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.159 I was giving a hot tip for raising children that 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:30.920 uh Ninja throwing stars are a riot, A prosecutor wrote 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.840 in a deputy he's a deputy prosecutor in Indiana. A 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:39.359 one let you all know, especially you're Indiana listeners, that 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.720 he calls the Chinese throwing stars, which I do remember. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:43.879 Some people call him Ninja throwing stars. Some people call 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.639 him Chinese throwing stars, even though I believe that's the Japanese. 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:52.639 The Japanese word for them is uh uh assure it 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.840 can either way. I'm a deputy prosecutor in Indiana. I 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.040 want to let you all know, especially Indiana listeners, the 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:03.760 Chinese throwing star is there illegal in Indiana. See Indiana 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:09.639 Codett seven five Dash twelve Officer. This was made in Japan. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.280 Chinese throwing stars defined as a throwing knife, throwing iron, 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.280 or other knife like weapon with blades set at different angles. 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.879 It is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by up to 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:26.280 sixty days in jail. He then points out, I've been 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.199 a prosecutor for seven years and I've never heard of 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.199 this crime being charged. I would love to know how 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.760 it got on the books. I was saying that when 0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.800 I was trying to find Ninja throwing stars for my kids, 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:40.600 they don't sell them on Amazon. I had to go 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:44.280 to a ninja supply warehouse to get mine online. Ninja 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:48.680 supply warehouse to get my throwing stars on the Dark Lab. Sure, 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.840 I can probably put you on some sort of list. 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:56.320 H m hmmm. Oh, here's another good one guy wrote 0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:01.400 in on our recent episode, if there's lead in the air, 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:05.399 there's hoping the heart. Um. We debated a lot of 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.159 feedback on this one. We had on Chris Parrish of 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.720 the Peregrine Fund, and we talked a lot about lead 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:20.760 ammunition versus copper ammunition, and we talked about lead toxicity, leading, 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.040 the environment, effects on condors, on on and on. It's 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.280 a very good conversation. I thought I was gonna ask 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.560 you what you thought. Old Chris there loved it. I 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.679 thought he did a great job. Yeah, he's a smart fellow. 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.119 I had pointed out my h oh, I'm gonna do 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.080 you don't mind if I demean myself, do you? I 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.600 often talked about how I'm real bad at basic arithmetic. 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:50.480 That's the um and I said, how would one ever 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:57.880 figure out, uh, the density if there's one eighteen thousand 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.639 lead pellets per acre? And I made a comment like 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.080 I would never be able to figure out what that 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.480 looked like what I figured it out for us? An 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:11.080 acre is forty three thousand, five sixty square feet, so 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.320 D eighteen thousand, which is the number of lead pellets 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.520 per acre in some of these areas. They've surveyed. Sean 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:23.679 brought that up on the Sean's Duck Report. Divided by 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.800 forty three thousand, five hundred sixty comes out too for 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:32.600 every square foot two point seven, so round up to three. Uh. 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.000 And some of these uh and some of these waterfowl 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:40.000 hunting areas are talking about they were finding for every 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.600 square foot, look at the tiles on the floor, twelve 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.480 inch tiles, there'll be three pellets laying there. Pretty good 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:59.800 density pellets. What was the uh the math equation that 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.199 we're talking about, And I said we should mention on 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.440 the podcast so someone we can figure it out. Oh, 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:11.280 here's a good one. This this, this actually has This 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:16.200 came about from my conversation about Kimmy. I still don't 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.679 remember having a hard time even saying thoughts anymore because like, 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.680 like knowing Kimmy, you think some meeting, are you gonna 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.920 be like come like bff with Nick Offerman and talk 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.680 about how bad I am. No. I I think that 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.480 we can all be de meaning sometimes. But when you 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.080 just said that you're not, and then you asked what 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.560 my opinion about that was, I just had to say, like, 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.560 I definitely think you can be de meaning, which is fine. 0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:42.840 Do you think it's de meaning to call someone de meaning? 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:49.160 Not if they ask for it, So that's just being 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:57.520 a friend. I was explaining to Seth how I've become, 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:02.240 how I have become. My best day black hot fishing 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.040 was my first day black hot fishing, and it's one 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:06.800 of the few things in life for the more I 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.240 do it, the worst I get. Like you usually expect 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.640 in life, You're trained to expect this sort of like experience, 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:19.720 right like as experience increases, sort of like you're a 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.119 deptness or you know, yeah, you get better. It's just 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:24.960 like a like a basic thing that happens in life. 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.600 But with black hot fishing or sable fish fishing, my 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.399 I get worse the more I do it. And I 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.200 was talking about need to get out of my rut 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.120 on sable fish fishing, and I mentioned how your father 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.880 when I asked him why he's so successful fishing black 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.000 hot in Southeast Alaska, he laid out for me his formula. 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:48.480 You want me to mention it, No, I don't know 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.240 what it is. Well, he uses those little Hawaiian chum 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.280 bags that delivered chum down to ft of water, which 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.840 I bought two of. And then realized in the time 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:00.560 it took me to order them, I would have made 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.480 some with a needle and thread in a pair of 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.640 blue jeans, but I didn't know. I didn't have one 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.920 of my hands yet. The mucky dog bags like the 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:14.280 palube you guys were, Paulu means chump. They just call 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.920 it like polou chum bag, but in print in quotes, 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:21.720 so it's like Hawaiians and and Americans understand it, right, 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:26.120 you know what I mean, that's a Hawaiian word polu. Yeah, 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:32.080 I can't mean barf or yeah. So they have it 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.840 described as like a polo and in chum, one of 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:39.240 them being in parentheses bag. I bought to he did that. Also. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:43.280 He mentioned that they will set an anchor in four 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:48.160 hundred feet of water, yeah, and tie off on that 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.080 so that you're holding a spot and when you're dropping chump, 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.640 you're not drifting away from the chump, and then they 0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:01.520 wait and bring him into him. Yeah. And the theory 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.800 behind that, which I was told is um that the 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.200 younger black card, the smaller black cud. You know, like 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:13.640 a lot of fish species are like more frisky, more aggressive, 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.240 more assertive, and sometimes though bigger and fatter you get 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:22.480 the more slow you are, and so if you're constantly 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.360 drifting or moving, you're always going to be attracting the 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.000 smaller fish, whereas if you stay in one place, it 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.680 um gives the big ones time to move in and 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.640 start biting. You know, when you said how the younger 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.920 ones are friskier and the older ones get a little complaining. 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.520 I want you to know that I was gonna say, 0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:47.920 I was gonna say, I know some people like that, 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:58.040 but I didn't sad on that one. Sad on it. 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.280 But I bet the fishing that combo got your wheels 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.240 turning though two right, like, is it inching you towards 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:10.560 the investment of dropping a semi permanent buoy out there, 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:16.239 which brings around the math question and seth, I bet 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.360 you've talked about the podcast. Someone to send you a 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.480 very good explanation. You need someone like when you said 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.800 an anchor, you need some amount of scope for tide swing, 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:33.520 So better describe scope, like, well, you don't really depends 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.520 on how big your weight is. What scope is when 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.600 you go to anchor a boat, scope is the angle 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.400 of the line, meaning let's say you're anchoring a boat 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.479 and one ft of water and you have and you 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.000 have exactly one of rope or let's say a hundred 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:48.120 one ft a rope, and you lower it down, anchor 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.479 hits the bottom, you're tied it to the boat. You're 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:52.040 in a hundred feet of water, you have a hundred 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.600 one ft a rope. You have basically zero scope when 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.360 the when the boat moves is going to clonk the 0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.960 anchor long and it can move for tide or wind 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.680 or both sometimes. And scope is like your angle. So 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.200 the more scope you have, the better your thingle hold 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.200 and the less weight it takes to hold the object. 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.560 And sometimes they'll anchor stuff where it's actually a seven 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:17.320 to one for every foot of depth you have seven 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.680 ft and you can have and that anchor line is 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:25.240 that at a very shallow angle as it runs through 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.520 the water column, and you just get better grip, especially 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.760 with an admiralty anchor that has those points on it, 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.000 because they dig in. So I was wondering if you 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.440 went out the four feet of water and you're in 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.480 an area with like a twenty five ft tide swing 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:44.280 and you drop an anchor and tie it to a bootie, 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.320 how much if it's if you know the exact depth, Like, 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.560 let's say the exact depth is four ft of water. 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:59.120 How much rope do you need? And then when you 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.440 figured that the wind, then the tide is moving that 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.360 thing around. It's actually imagine it throughout the course of 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.719 a day, it's gonna make like a conical shape. So 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:13.680 at any given time, how big is the diameter? What 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.240 sort of diameter are you swinging above the fixed point 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.000 of the anchor, so that if you drop chum down, 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.600 are you swinging a circle of like a hundred yard diameter? 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.160 Why was Dick from been listening to the podcast Are 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:37.560 you swinging? Are you swinging a thousand yard? Yeah? Like, 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.080 how over the anchor? Are you? Yes? Like? Is it 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:46.120 is it really beneficial to have that fixed point if 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.320 you can't actually ever get to that fixed point because 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.800 of tides, winds, scope? And then to go back to 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.560 the mechanical conversation, and keep in mind this all was 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.800 brought up while we were standing line to like load 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.840 the plane on the way over here to Hawaii. Um, 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.560 what type of rope do you need? Or line? Do 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.920 you know? I was talking about buying some real shitty 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.799 rope and Cal pointed out, if you can go through 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.200 all the hassle to set an anchor in four ft 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.480 of water? Why would it be shitty rope? Don't you 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.919 want it to be there the next day? What would 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.640 inevitably be a whole day to make this happen? And 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.080 there's an added wrinkle. I don't want to name names, 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:31.279 but I knew a person who set a chum bag 0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.560 and threet of water, and he was under the impression 0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:38.399 it was he was it was illegal to do it, 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:44.279 so he stapled his. He he stapled his to a 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:50.360 drift log, which cal pointed out is like one benefit 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.359 of a buoy as others can see it and when 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:59.960 you hit it, it's soft. So this is not naming names. 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.200 Stable his to a drift log, so that the innocent 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.480 passer by would just think it was a saggy drift 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:12.000 log sitting barely above the surface. Uh. And then when 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.720 he would anytime he went crabbing, anytime he went shrimping, 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.879 anytime he cleaned fish, he would put it in a 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:23.719 biodegradable burlap sack. Put a rock in that sack, tie 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:28.480 it off to the line, and Davy Crockett's locker, What's 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:33.520 who's that guy? Jones? Locker right down to the bottom. 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:35.799 It's probably got a nice little pile of rocks down there. 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.560 He's got a little reef and it's full of chump 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.080 Crockett ever see the ocean. That's a good that's a 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.400 good question. I'll after look like that's a question for 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.760 Clay or Buddy Levy. So the whole thing on Crockett 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.759 did Jill the Crockett and Crockett's day as a politician, 0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:57.799 as a congressman, there was two congressmen that got you know, 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.879 you fight like Trump and Hillary. Right, it's tense. Well, 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.480 these two political figures, Crockett's peers, these two political figures, 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.560 it got like the debates got so intense and personal 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.320 that at the end of the election they challenged they 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:18.600 had they agreed to have a duel, but duels were 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:22.200 illegal in the state where they lived. So they traveled 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.480 together to another state where it was legal to have 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.239 a duel, where the guy that won the election then 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:32.960 shot and killed the loser, and people on top about 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.440 how politics is nasty nowadays. Wait, so it wasn't a 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:39.319 proper duel. It was whoever lost, you got shot, no 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.200 matter what. No, they did the election, so be like 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.920 Trump and Hillary fight, fight, fight, say passed after where 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.360 Trump wins Hillary loses. They then go to another country 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.120 where it's legal. They go to like Afghanistan where it's 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:57.960 legal to duel. Trump kills Clinton in the duel and 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.680 then comes home and resumes his position. That was Crockett's 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:06.239 political era. But people talk about how politics has gotten 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.160 too nasty. Yeah, and what was I saying? No, Davy 0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.400 Jones locker and we want to get to the ask 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.400 of please write oh and and then and then I 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.439 said this to my brother Danny. I said, but it's 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.440 illegal to set a buoy? And Danny says, is it? 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.759 I feel that we think it's illegal to set a 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:27.879 boy because of the person with the drift log told 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:31.200 us that. But they told us a lot of stuff. 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:35.200 The person with the drift log and the salvage business. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.760 That's a joke. So it's a whole pile of questions 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:42.279 like can you go out to your favorite spot and 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.319 set at booi in four ft of water in the 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.480 state of Alaska and then leave it there indefinitely? And 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:55.839 can how much rope? And what's the diameter of your 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.759 circle at the top when you're tied off to it? 0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.839 And what type of rope. Yeah, because it's not something 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.640 you want to go re redo every year. And then 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:06.480 if they do right, and then if they could throw 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.400 this into like do they fill it out into meaning 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:15.640 I was working on especially when you turned on me. There, man, 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.160 I did not turn on you. You asked me my opinion. 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.440 I was working on the Anchor's good for everyone to 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.320 have opinions, just at the right time. Work on your timing. 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.400 I was working on the anchor system. The next old 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.960 refrigerator or freezer, after you drain all the nasty stuff 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.920 out of it, burn all the stuff out of it. Um, 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.759 I wonder if you could just throw that thing in 0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.000 the boat, go out there with some quick dry cement, 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:45.000 and have that be your anchor. I got the anchor 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.120 of all anchors for this purpose. I got the fridge 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.240 for you. The thing you guys got to think about 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.600 is how you're getting this anchor off the boat? Well, 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.360 because that sucker is heavy. Here's the other question I got. Well, no, 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.920 I got like, I have an actual anchor that I 0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.160 want to use for this right now. It's anchor my 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.120 dock and play some one end. But I can replace 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:06.040 that with a rock. Um. Yeah. The other thing is 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.800 If you let out fot of line that's spooled in 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.080 the bottle of the boat and it gets tangled halfway down, 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.600 you are not happy. So I might run it off 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.040 a spools, run a broomstick through a spool. You take 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.400 your float, right, you got this all calculated out. You 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.920 got the exact amount of rope. You float that float, 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:28.960 and you let all that rope out, and you got 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:33.160 your anchor, and you go over your spot and the's 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.800 some bitch is so heavy, it's just gonna drag that. Yeah. 0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:37.560 Or you or you take an old skiff that you 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.239 don't want anymore and tie that to it, tow it 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:43.480 out there with the anchor in the rope coiled nicely 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.440 in it, start piling rocks in it, and then you 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:50.520 sink that skiff with the anchor, and then at that 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:52.719 thing is gonna be so many miles away from the 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:57.799 bull's eye by the time it hits That's true. You 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.799 have to pick a day with little cur There's guys 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.040 that were for the coolest guard that just set anchors. Yeah. 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.239 Part of what's got this time my mind is here 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.000 we we went by bullies. Here there are in thousands 0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:13.680 and thousands of feet of water. Yeah, you talk to 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:18.960 that somethingit not to demean him. Yeah. And then when 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.799 you guys are fishing these bullies, you know, I know 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.600 when we fish bullies here, the current is usually going 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.560 one way, so you're kind of on that bully and 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:31.000 you're kind of fishing it one direction for hours. Um, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:33.000 So I don't know, like you're asking about, like that 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.479 wind and the tide and the current everything. I wonder 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:39.279 how often it's switching. Um, if it's switching, you know, 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.520 every hour or whatever. If you can fish it's solid 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.440 for a couple of hours where it's going one direction 0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.239 and you don't really have to worry about Yeah, I 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.040 don't have a swing, so it's kind of hard to find. 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.000 But as long as you know where the anchor point is, 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.160 you know where the current's going, you can usually find 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:53.839 that bully to where it's at, and then you fish 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.040 it for those couple hours while the currents, let's say, 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.759 headed south. Then you're just fishing it while it's headed 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.480 south for that day. You're still dropping down your like 0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.399 palau bag. So it doesn't really matter like per day 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.600 you'd fish it, you know, if it's heading north the 0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.399 next day, you'd be fishing at where it's heading north. 0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:14.160 And oh, we gotta get back on track because this 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:19.000 all came about with math problems. So the guy wrote 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.920 in about the math, the math around how much lead, 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.960 like how much lead shot is out on the landscape 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:33.040 in certain places. Now we got two more things. Um 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.920 A doctor wrote and all fired up that I was, 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.719 uh that I was not taking lead poisoning seriously enough. 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:48.640 I disagree. I was pointing out. I pointed out only 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:53.200 that he wasn't listening carefully. He's like, no lead is good. 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.520 That's why lead is like zero, Like zero is how 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.319 much lead you should strive for in life. You say 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.120 no lead is good. I was. I was pointing out 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:09.040 that no one has found elevated lead levels in hunters, 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:13.160 elevated relative to their peers who are not consuming wild game. 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.319 And I pointed out that when they did this thing 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.800 where they went to like North Dakota and found lifelong 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:25.359 consumers of wild game killed with lead shot and took 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:29.680 their lead levels, their lead levels were lower than non 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:34.040 hunters who live in urban environments, who are getting lead 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.799 from soils contaminated by leading, you know, from all those 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:42.120 years of leaded gasoline, lead paint no, not industrial lead pollution. 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.160 I was never saying that I think lead is good 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.560 to eat. I was just saying, no one has shown 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.960 a a and like people act like it's there, but 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.560 it's like if it's there, sent it to me. No 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.239 one has shown. No one has definitively shown and not 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.520 even defensively. No one's kind of demonstrated it. Hunters are 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:06.360 suffering from increased lead levels due to the consumption of 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.759 wild game. It's just it's see what you want about lead. 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:13.560 That's not a thing. And uh, he did say warmer 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:18.280 guards and and I imagine you can demonstrate to folks 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.799 that you're serious about lead because you probably, like myself 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.040 as a youth, I used to pack some lead shot 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.880 in your lip while you were re rigging your rods 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.560 and stuff like that. And you probably, like myself, have 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.880 quit doing that. Yeah, I keep I would keep my 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:37.400 split shot fishing. I'd keep some split shot over on 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.200 this side of my cheek and gum, and I'd keep 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.279 my maggots on this bit of my cheek and gum, 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.319 just like everybody. And like we're talking about sat Day 0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.839 steel head fishing, because you're like, you get to one hole, 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.880 it's deeper the other hole. Not you just keep a 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.239 couple in your cheek and gum for just so you 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.319 can very quickly like rig for where you're at. Not 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.400 only that, we used to go down we had a 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:00.400 gun range two miles from our house. We'd ride our 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.520 bikes down to the gun range, put the flag out 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:09.200 and take a sifter and go sift the burm. For 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.160 non gun range users, typically there's some sort of a 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:18.000 signal that says folks are down range, which means do 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.480 not shoot right there. Typically down there changing targets, you know. 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.160 But the Ronello boys would put the flag out saying 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.840 do not shoot. We're gonna go because we're sifting the berm. 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.000 We would sift the burn for bullet lead, go home, 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:34.600 melt the lead in the garage because my dad had 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.080 gotten this all the stuff to pour, and we would 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.719 pour sinkers. And I'm telling you, man, the thing about 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.000 those homemade sinkers made with bullet lead is there's like 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:46.239 alloys and that stuff, and like you go to the 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.759 store and buy you go to the sporting store and 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.839 by lead and you go to bite it. It's nice 0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.399 and soft. In fact, your tooth leaves and mark when 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.280 you bite that lead onto the line, our homemade sinkers, 0:44:57.280 --> 0:44:59.000 when you bit that lead out of the line, you'd 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:03.000 hear your tea crumble a little bit and you couldn't 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.600 dent that ship. It's like and they didn't seem to 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.399 be as heavy. It's like kind of a weird deal, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.719 like homemade sinkers. But I would never let my kids 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.640 do that. My brother Danny had a film jar full 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.440 of mercury that we would get out and play with 0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.879 that he'd collect. Anytime he run across the thermometer, he'd 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:22.480 get the mercury out and we would like play with 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:27.680 Danny's mercury. So like like, I'm not in any way 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.000 like I I never wanted it to be that. I'm 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.400 like downplaying. I'm just saying, you know, I don't I 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.080 wouldn't let me. I don't let my kids do stupid 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.359 stuff that we didn't. We we we just doupid stuff because 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.239 people weren't really aware. My ole man when he was 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.080 in the army, they would give you cigarettes in your 0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:49.160 sea rations. It's like, you know, over time, right, you 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.600 learned things over time. Here's another guy wrote about the 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:56.000 lead thing. Now, this guy brings up a very valid point, 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.839 cal I need you to be present for this. Oh, 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.120 and doing this to him when you think abou something? Okay. 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:09.880 To Offerman's point, if is it even possible to bully 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:14.680 a dead man? Well, there's that famous sign like don't 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.080 speak ill of the dead, but that that's speaking ill 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:23.960 of the dead. Can you bully the dead man? No? No, 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:29.279 I feel like because they're not alive, you're certainly not 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:36.640 going to give him a wedge in his dry pelvis phone. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.400 Uh yeah, it's really got my head's tearing me up, dude, 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.200 final bit of led thing, and this is a bad one. 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.520 This is a tough one. He goes to point out 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:56.720 all this talk about everyone in the hunting and fishing 0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:03.840 communities switching over to copper lead so bad. You know what, 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:05.759 Let me give you a fact that would have given 0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:07.080 him a lot of ammunition. But I don't know if 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.359 he's aware of it. If I was this guy right 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.759 in this letter not to demean him, I would have 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:17.080 concluded how lead ammo is almost exclusively So we toured 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.040 the federal AMMO factory. Guess where all the Federals lead 0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:25.880 comes from? Recycled car batteries. They're lead comes from recycled 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.640 car batteries. That's like a little known fact. You go 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:32.160 to the Federal plant. It's like all of that lead 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.800 that they're producing an ammunition is not coming out of 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:40.000 the ground, it's post use coming out of car batteries. Yeah, 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:45.319 it's something like ninety high ninety percentage recycle, which is 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.920 a lot because like a car battery three to five years. 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:50.240 And it's funny because they don't have when you buy AMMO. 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.880 They don't like like when you buy AMMO from Federal, 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.239 it's not like they're like made from recycled materials. It's 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.120 like no one even knows this. That's where all that 0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.319 lead comes from. And then and that's a as we 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.920 are driven boy, A good good word usage here, so 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.240 far as we were driven into the battery age right now, 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.960 that's something that was a big topic of conversation. But 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:14.880 all of a sudden, isn't is okay, Well, where's the 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.000 copper coming from? That's what I'm getting to, he says, 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.760 So in the sport, you know, like non toxic split 0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:25.960 shot for fishing, right, and he goes. But every time 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.880 there's a big mind that comes up, who's the first 0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:34.160 people to bitch about it? Hunters and anglers. He doesn't 0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.080 say it by name, but he's probably speaking to the 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.320 pebble mine and the headwaters of Bristol Bay right copper 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:46.960 and gold or boundary boundary waters, copper head, copper sulfide mine. 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:50.400 And we're like, no, no, no, no, no, well that 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.279 is bad and shoot copper. But tell you what, when 0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:57.080 we crossed the border into Mexico, what's sitting right on 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:03.080 the US Mexico border in Sonora? I don't know copper minds. 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:07.400 All that loud banging and mix explosions and stuff that 0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.160 you hear, those are all copper minds. And as our 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:14.280 buddy Beaeto put it, said, Beato, what are they minding 0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:21.160 over there? He said, copper for batteries for you? He says, 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.480 how could this is the person that the gentleman that 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:29.560 wrote in very well worded email. How can we possibly 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.200 maintain any sort of consistency or credibility if we simultaneously 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.360 took the stance of no new copper minds. Where I 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.840 like to hunt and fish and everyone please use copper, 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.840 I suggest if we cannot do both, at least's current 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.160 bullet development technology Stands goes on to say seckle. A 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:50.440 second and equally important issue, he said, it always gets brushed, 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:55.600 deside or ignored is the cost. The fact of the 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.160 matter has most led alternative ammunition copper included as expensive. 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.600 If demands suddenly jumped, it would become scarce and as 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:08.040 a result, even more expensive. What would we accomplish, then, 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.200 is to effectively sideline masses of hunters who either couldn't 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:13.960 find or couldn't afford enough ammunition to site in two 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:18.120 or three rifles and have ammunition for their hunts. And 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:22.920 he pulls as a hypothetical three hunter household. One of 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.840 the things that helped us get through a lead a 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.680 switch from lead with non toxic shot for waterfowl as 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.640 we went to steal. Steel is abundant and still relatively cheap. 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.080 It was attainable for your average hunter, not the case 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:41.239 of copper. He points out. You're driving more of a 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:46.319 situation where you have the haves go hunt the have nots, don't. 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:52.000 He says, he still loves the show. I mean it's 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:57.080 all it's all all great points, um, I don't the 0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:02.719 absolutism of uh. I think it's taken a little aggressively. 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:09.960 But he was being absolutist you are driving. It's like, well, no, 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:16.000 we uh had a good conversation on this very debatable 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:20.120 topic of copper versus lead, and many of us have 0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:24.200 switched over to copper. But there's I don't believe anybody 0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.319 saying you must shoot this. I feel like I'm sort 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.879 of fence sitting on the whole thing. Well, I love 0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:34.400 it for for me, it's it's the raptor thing, Like 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.399 I do. I have a soft heart when it comes 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.719 to that, Like I'm like, oh yeah, if I can 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:43.879 mitigate killing more animals like that, I don't. I don't 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.640 want to buy catch dead animals that I don't get 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:53.319 a consume that are dying from secondary lead poisoning by 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:58.960 shooting a copper bullet. That that works for me. Um yeah, 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.439 but yeah, you when you say I get it out, 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.880 you're saying you're making a consumer choice. Yes, exactly. And 0:52:04.920 --> 0:52:06.879 that's kind of like what the guests Chris Parrish. Chris 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.360 Parrish was saying. He never came in and said I 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:11.759 think they should outlaw X, Y and Z. Right now, 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.040 you're saying, as a consumer, make choices all time, and 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:19.440 there's a I mean, you can still California is just 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:23.160 like the weird outlier example, because they you know, at 0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:30.880 recreational ranges, authorized ranges, lead lead is still legal for 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.319 recreational shooting at authorized ranges. I don't know that I 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.000 believe um. But in every other stay, you know, you 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:43.400 you're still go shoot recreational lead at your recreational range 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:48.520 where it can then be recycled into more lead bullets, 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.400 which is what all those ranges do. You know, periodically 0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:57.000 they harvest their burms and and are able to sell 0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:01.400 it um, which is part to those those places business 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:06.200 plan um. And then you know, when it comes time 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.160 to hunt, you can make that consumer choice of shooting 0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.839 a copper bullet, a handful of copper bullets to make 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:17.720 sure you're zero, and then your your copper bullets for 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.680 for the actual hunt. You know, when you get into 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:25.880 the alternatives for shotgun shooting, uh, you're you can spend 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:28.480 some you can spend a hell of a lot more 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:33.200 money shooting business. Then then you're gonna shoot copper bullets 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:35.040 even if you're doing a lot of big game hunting 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:41.279 during the year. But steals still the very effective and 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:49.080 less expensive alternative, toxic alternative. Okay, Danny, I'll set it 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.440 up like this. I had because I've driven a lot 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:58.399 of jankie vehicles, right, and somebody at a parking lot 0:53:58.440 --> 0:53:59.960 came up to me and was harassing me about how 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:04.279 much oil my vehicles leaking, and I just you know, 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:07.360 I'm not gonna I'm not. I wasn't gonna make confrontation 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:08.759 with him. I was like, yeah, okay, you know, no 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:11.920 big deal, I gotta fix out. But the same with 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.960 the lead, right, Like worst lead come from comes from 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.520 the earth, right, and so there the same with oil 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.680 overs putting it back. You know, obviously I'm not dumping 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.319 oil all over. Come on, you're not putting it back 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.319 into the earth and putting it back, Like what's your 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:27.279 And that start as to say, what's your take on that? Like, 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:32.400 so obviously I'm not dumping oil all over, right, but 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:37.960 you get a good watch that slick start to form, 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.359 So obviously that goes like that's bad, right, that just 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.880 goes right to our water source. Um. But like with 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.640 the lead, I was thinking about the lead, it comes 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:51.080 from the earth. Obviously there's there's issues when it's getting 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:54.120 processed or whatever. Maybe they're melting it down to make 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.520 these babs. Yeah, there's that effect. But as far as 0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:00.279 just taking lead and putting it back. So about to 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:02.960 take rattle snake poison and just put it all over 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.120 your food? Am I putting it back into the earth? Yeah, 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:11.680 I mean, good point. I'm just you know, no, I mean, 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.120 i mean, I'm sorry venom. Yeah, I mean they're making 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:16.400 it sound like, you know, lead or arsenic. If I 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.319 put arsenic all over your food, put them back in 0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.359 the earth, you know. So I think I think it's 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:27.719 an appropriate line of thinking. Um, it's just, uh, these 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:31.799 things came from places in the earth that probably were 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:36.040 not necessarily meant to come to the surface, not on 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:38.480 your food. They were in the earth, but not on 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:43.120 your food. Just thrown it out Like that's a good point, definite. Uh, 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:50.319 Remember how I was saying. I'm like, I'm um, I've 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:54.440 been accused of being like a lead apologist, and I've 0:55:54.440 --> 0:56:00.200 been accused of being anti lead, But I'm like very 0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.200 much like just kind of like exploring the whole area, right, 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:05.520 I'm exploring it. Another one that I can't that people 0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:07.920 keep writing in about but I can't formulate an opinion on. 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:12.400 I'm I'm gonna hit you with it. Kel my home state, 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:20.319 there's there's a Yeah, there's a Michigan National Guard in 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:24.600 the Michigan's Upper Peninsula. They're looking to double the size 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:31.160 of UH Camp Grayling, a military base, and to double 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.799 it they need to like annex a bunch of state 0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:38.480 owned land that's currently open to public hunting and fishing. 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.759 People in the up who are losing their you know, 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:46.719 long time man who would stand to lose their long 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:50.360 time sort of like ancestral hunting and fishing grounds are pissed. 0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:56.240 They're gonna happens. If it happens to lose accident, they will. 0:56:56.600 --> 0:56:59.120 I think it's very safe to say they will lose 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:04.920 a certain an amount of access. And and I struggle 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:09.640 with being Um, I struggle with this one. Then I'll 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:13.799 tell you the two reasons why I struggle with it. Uh. 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:19.640 I'm generally uh not generally, I'm like very supportive. I like, 0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:21.680 I like to live in a country with a very 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.720 strong military. Okay, I'm very like. I'm not hawkish, like 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:26.560 I don't want to go in vade countries for no reason, 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.520 but I'm like hawkish in that I I like want 0:57:30.600 --> 0:57:36.280 and support a powerful military. So there's that, right, And 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.160 there's the other one that I don't think it would 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:43.240 leave to Like, if this was a how a giant 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:47.080 housing project, it leads to loss of habitat. But what 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:50.600 they're talking about isn't leading to like a net loss 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:54.600 of habitat. They want to use it for training and 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:56.680 stuff in an area where it's not like they're not 0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.880 like destroying the ground from from a habitat perspect Yeah, 0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:03.160 so it's hard to make an opinion about it. Yeah, 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:07.760 if it were a giant you know megamoguls housing development, 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.280 I would be irate. I would be like because they're 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.880 now it's like gone and and we'll never come back. 0:58:13.960 --> 0:58:17.240 But here it's like it's still like for future generations, 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:19.400 that patch of ground is still gonna be there functioning 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:23.480 as an ecosystem. It's still in play, just not open 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:28.439 as good. Well that's not true, right, you are going 0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:33.240 to lose some access. Um And in this it's a 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:37.439 perfect conversation point to go with the lead. You know, well, 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.000 but it's recycled type of thing, because it's like you 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:42.360 have your cake and eat it too. Um, you want 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:44.520 a big, strong military, but you don't want the military 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:47.960 terry to have all the space to train. Um And 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:50.160 I truly don't know the ins and outs of what 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:52.760 they actually need versus how much they're annexing and all 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:54.720 that stuff. But they do need a lot of space, 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.440 and they're only closing it because they're only closing it 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.320 when they need it for training. So no one knows 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.040 how much that will be. And game management still stays 0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:06.360 under Michigan DNR. Yes. And if you look at other 0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:10.040 military bases where the public is allowed to hunt, um, 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.400 there's a lot of those examples with lots of big 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:19.280 you know, big deer, turkeys, bears, all that fun stuff, um, 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.760 And and life kind of goes on, but it's not 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:23.400 going to go on in the same way that you 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:27.600 haven't now right. It's there's, um, you know, lots of 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:31.800 examples of like, oh it's a surprise training day, we 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.440 gotta shut the whole base down, and folks are traveling 0:59:34.440 --> 0:59:36.360 from out of state and tent on hunting where they've 0:59:36.360 --> 0:59:40.640 always hunted, and you know it's like, um, the Griswold 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:45.400 family vacation. Sorry, folks, parks closed. How do you how 0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:50.640 do you close the entire state of California? Um. So, yeah, 0:59:50.840 --> 0:59:55.920 it's a tricky situation. Um, if there were happening in Montana. 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.600 I would not want it to happen because I'm like, well, 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.880 I don't to lose any weekends, right, And it's it's 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:05.680 kind of a not in my backyard type of thing. 1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:07.480 State of hy He's got a lot of a lot 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:11.880 of history with the military there is, Yeah, and a 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:16.160 lot of the land is owned by military. Yeah. Yeah. 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.920 The first time we came out here to hunt, we 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:23.360 gotta hunt on this really cool place on Maui and 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:29.160 guys just a big rancher, cattle rancher, and uh, you're 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:33.800 walking around all there's shell fragments and and uh fifty 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:37.920 caliber case sings all over the place, big chunks a 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:42.200 lead laying out there. And then the first day the 1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:45.040 rancher was like, well, yeah, did you see the crash 1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.840 plane out there too? It's like no. But then the 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.960 second day there here's this giant engine laying out in 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:53.240 the middle of this this field that we came through, 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:56.560 and chunks of plane pirates and all this stuff, and 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.640 and he could tell there's more to his story about 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.240 how he felt about all that, but it was not good. 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:06.680 It's like the U. S. Military just comes over here, 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:11.200 just blows the crap out of our islands. Yeah, I mean, 1:01:11.320 --> 1:01:15.600 you know, times changed too. In the up thing for 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:20.880 you folks in the up writing us about this too. Uh, 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:24.960 they're describing what they're gonna be doing is low impact exercises, right, 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:28.200 and and it is interesting because they need like cyber 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:31.320 warfare is one of the reasons for the expansion, and 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:37.360 apparently they need like a big buffer uh from civilization 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:43.800 to run whatever it is they do with cyber warfare um, 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:50.720 which ideally doesn't sound like super impactful to the wildlife, habitat, environment, 1:01:50.880 --> 1:01:54.040 et cetera. Uh, And hopefully it won't be closed down 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:57.920 too much during hunting season if if it does in 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.000 fact happen. The other rub is that it's not like 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:04.600 a standard lease with the state, so there's no lease 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:07.520 fee that's coming from the government to the state lands, 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:12.320 which I thought was was interesting Celtic subject matter XT. 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:24.280 What you guys as bet Danny and Kenny, what you 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.080 guys as best equipped to tell the story of the 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:31.320 person that unless you don't want to the person that 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:35.160 lost their life in the harbor here from a swordfish, 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:38.640 you probably know it better. Danny, Yeah, I know is 1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:42.040 uh not as nephew but cousin or I don't know 1:02:42.080 --> 1:02:47.240 how they're that. It's a big family. Um. From my understanding, 1:02:48.120 --> 1:02:51.120 a swordfish swam into the to the harbor, and we 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:54.439 get that like you know, paddling down at Kaho or whatever, 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:57.400 you'd see Marlin's come into the harbor down there randomly, 1:02:58.000 --> 1:02:59.480 or there'd be big ah he I don't know, they 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:03.800 just lose their way or get curious. Either way, swordfish 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:06.920 finds its way into the harbor. From my understanding, they've 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:10.680 seen it from the surface and they're like, hey right there, 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:12.440 like what look at this? How rare is that? I'm 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:15.040 gonna get in there? And I'm a spirit, So you 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:19.560 got a spirit gone out spirit it. And you know, 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:22.200 from my understanding, you know how you have your shoot 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:26.600 line and it spears the fish, and that shoot lines 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:30.080 attached to either a float line or to his gun. Well, 1:03:30.120 --> 1:03:32.160 he that thing went and wrapped around a worn bowl. 1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:35.040 So then that thing was stuck around a worn bowl 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:38.720 and just swimming there, and you're thinking like, oh man, 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:40.520 it's gonna rip off, or I gotta get in there 1:03:40.520 --> 1:03:45.120 and I gotta kill it. So while he was getting 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:48.400 in there to try and get it, the thing poked him, 1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:51.280 or he shouldn't have poked him, big powerful fish with 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:53.560 a sword on its face. And I don't know if 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:56.600 you've seen those, like broad Bill, the swordfish, they're real 1:03:56.680 --> 1:03:59.200 flat bill, not like the marlin bill. We were talking, Yeah, 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:02.720 it's super show are and uh he got poked in 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:08.200 the chest and and I was out, so just in 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:12.440 the in the in the excitement of probably trying to 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:15.160 get that fish. And I think we all kind of 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:17.920 get into that state too, of like when something like 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:19.960 that happening, you're not You're just trying to go off 1:04:20.000 --> 1:04:22.760 instinct and just like there's a lot going on, and 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:24.560 he probably just thought he had it, He's gonna make 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:29.840 it happen. Um. But yeah, it's sad. I bring that 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:34.960 up because we were looking at a story. Um this 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.720 is covered by the Guardian, which is funny because it's 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:45.520 a European rag that loves American wildlife attack stories. But 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:48.280 a woman uh in Florida was recently gored by a 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.480 hundred pounds sail fish. They had on they were fighting 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:55.280 the fish. Fish charged the boat. She's standing by the 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.680 She standing up by the wheel in the wheelhouse, by 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.360 the wheelhouse, fish charged the boat, jump throut of the 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:04.960 water and paled her she survived them. Oh, I mean 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:07.200 I could see that. Like you when we saw that 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.640 marlin get hooked up next to Jonah's boat. You've seen 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:13.600 how that thing was on the surface like that. That's 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:14.840 how they are when you bring them up to the 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:17.040 boat too, and they're jumping right next to the boat. 1:05:17.360 --> 1:05:19.360 I've seen a bunch of video of them. I've had 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:21.600 them jump next to the boat. Never turned towards the boat. 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.800 But it's very nerve racking when you got one that's 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:27.479 we call it green, but still a lot of life 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.840 left in it. You know how it is leadering those 1:05:30.920 --> 1:05:34.360 fish where here you are, this marlin's got its bill 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:37.800 facing you, you know, coming in towards you, and you're 1:05:37.920 --> 1:05:40.440 leader and the business and you're trying to get it 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:42.240 closer and closer, and you're trying to bring that head 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:43.800 up where you can get a gaff in it or 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:47.920 unhooked it, whatever you're doing with it. And um, if 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:49.480 they want, they just give it that little bit of 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:52.040 a you know, shake with their tail and they're out 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.200 of the water like that. You know, I've seen video 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:58.040 of it, so um, it could be exciting. Yeah, and 1:05:58.080 --> 1:05:59.880 they got that pokey thing. I mean you've seen that. 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:02.760 I guess that marlin bill too has a bunch of 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:04.880 bacteria on it. Except heard like you get you get 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:07.000 poked by wine. You better get that thing cleaned out. Yeah, 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:10.800 those marlin bills are impressive even dry it out state. 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:12.520 I was saying that the most time you take like 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:15.200 a fish part and dry it all out, like loses 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:18.920 its integrity. Do I mean everything gets like crumbly and 1:06:18.960 --> 1:06:22.360 they kind of decay, But that thing is still like 1:06:22.400 --> 1:06:24.440 you could you could kill somebody that thing, well, they 1:06:24.440 --> 1:06:29.360 made weapons out of it, the Hawiians. Steve, would you 1:06:29.720 --> 1:06:35.440 add that scar from a bill fish to your list 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:40.160 of bodily attributes that you want to acquire? Not top mine? No, no, 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:47.480 not like sharp white and grizzy mulin um sixty eight 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:53.360 miles like reputed to be the fastest fish in the ocean, 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:55.760 which I thought was the short finn mako. But they're 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:59.120 saying these suckers can go sixty eight miles per hour sailfish. 1:07:02.880 --> 1:07:04.720 They got that big sale too, and they just flip 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:06.960 that thing up and they can parachute them around and 1:07:06.960 --> 1:07:10.320 stop on a dime. That it was funny read about 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:13.360 that that injury and the injury you're talking about as 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:18.000 we have coming up here. We have an expert ah 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:25.880 who's an expert archaeologist who studies the Coronado expedition. So 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:35.000 Coronado was a Spanish conquisador and he had this crazy 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.919 ass adventure where they left New Spain. So they left 1:07:38.960 --> 1:07:46.320 Mexico and this is in fifty and Coronado made it 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:51.840 all the way up into Kansas in so he made 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:53.400 it all up all the way up into the Great 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:58.400 Plains of Kansas, and it was funny. Is if you 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:01.360 separate Here's here's one of the main things I think 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:07.120 about interesting about Coronado. The distance that separates Coronado's visit 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:11.160 to Kansas from Lewis and Clark's visit to the Great 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:15.080 Plains is the amount of time that separates us sitting 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:20.880 here right now from the French and Indian War. Crazy. 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:25.120 You're like European history in the in the interior of 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:34.760 the country runs deep forty uh So, to bone up 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:37.200 for this guest we're having on, I'm reading the book 1:08:37.240 --> 1:08:40.800 about Coronado and like the random ways people die. There's 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:45.080 like one of his lieutenants, one of his officers, they 1:08:45.080 --> 1:08:48.160 had some sheep with them and they had a dog. 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:51.720 They had a greyhound with him. For some reason, the 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:54.519 greyhound chase of the sheep one day and the guys 1:08:54.560 --> 1:08:56.680 pissed at the greyhound for crass and the sheep all 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.080 the time. And he rides after it on his horse 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:05.519 and throws a lance scare the dog off. Okay, the 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:10.160 lance sticks in the ground, The horse runs, and the 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:14.760 handle of the lance enters his groin and punctures is 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:22.640 bladder and he dies some days later. Holy smokes. You know. 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:26.120 I was at a thought as to we always like 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:28.679 to think back on on these times of like, oh God, 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:32.840 how crazy would it have been to be on that trip, 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:36.519 like all the unknowns and stuff. But I bet at 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:40.880 that time they'd be just like us, being like, oh 1:09:41.000 --> 1:09:45.080 we have we have GPS, we have a track, we 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.400 have all this stuff. And at that time they were like, 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:51.000 we have a sex stent, we have a map, like 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:56.200 we have the best technology out there. We're we're better 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.480 than anybody in the past has ever been. Like high confidence. 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.840 Well get into this. There's a guy. There's a Native 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:10.040 American who celebrated among his people for having led the 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:14.840 Coronado Expedition on a wild goose chase where he said, 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:17.479 oh no, man, there's this amazing like city of gold 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:23.519 and led them away from where they were harassing his people. 1:10:24.600 --> 1:10:27.280 This is one telling we're getting it all this way 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:30.360 at the Coronado ex the Cornado expert on when Coronado 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.240 gets up in the Kansas and they're like, this guy 1:10:33.320 --> 1:10:38.920 is full of it. The execute him for having fed 1:10:38.960 --> 1:10:44.519 him false information. Uh, it's just like, here's the other 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:46.439 thing I'll say about the Coronado expedition, Like if you 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:48.240 want to get a sense of like where they're at mentally, 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.960 one of the guys on the expedition has a dream 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:57.000 in which he kills his commander. He has he dreams 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:02.200 that he kills Coronado and Mary's Coronado, his wife. He 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:07.599 comes and confesses to Coronado that he had this dream. 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:11.200 Coronado doesn't punish him, but he's not allowed to continue 1:11:11.200 --> 1:11:15.320 on the expedition because they need to protect the mission. 1:11:16.800 --> 1:11:20.120 I like, I like, I like, it's just so like 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:22.559 you know what I mean, Well, how about the mental 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:27.519 state too. It's like, yeah, we're an invading army, We're 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:34.320 stealing from your people, We're giving you communicable diseases. This 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:39.280 isn't pleasant, but how dare you lie to us? Yeah, 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:41.920 well no, because they're in their take their take on 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:44.519 it was this. They were baffled when people didn't go 1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:47.800 along with the program. Their take on it is your 1:11:47.840 --> 1:11:51.720 worries are over. They're kind of like the mob when 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:56.040 when he would approach tribe, like, your worries are over. Um, 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:58.960 you now live under the jurisdiction of Spain. But no 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:04.240 one will ever mess with you ever again. And it's 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.519 not taking it's take it or leave. It's like again 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:09.639 and if you don't agree, we will mess with you. 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:13.240 But that's the selling point. Your your concerns are over. 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:15.320 In order for you to say thank you, we'd like 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:17.080 you to do x Y and I'm here to bestow 1:12:17.120 --> 1:12:25.120 upon you a great gift. Oh you gotta become Christians. Yeah, 1:12:25.520 --> 1:12:27.320 here's the deal. No one will ever mess with you again. 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:32.400 Any enemies you have, forget that they exist. You become Christian, 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.479 Your problems are through. And they'd be like, why would 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:40.719 these people not get on board? Like, look, we're giving 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:49.040 them more to come. This is fascinating man. And they 1:12:49.040 --> 1:12:53.960 did it all in a bronze hat. That's such like. Uh, 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.760 The Fishing Guide writes in I always wanted to become 1:12:57.800 --> 1:13:00.280 a fishing guide. Becomes a fishing guide. He's he guides 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:06.600 alligator gar in Houston, Texas, but he has a problem 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:14.519 of finding dead bodies. They recently found two. He found 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:17.879 one and his buddy found one. Uh. Dead bodies bound 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:25.480 up inside recycling bins, dumped in off dumped in the marsh. 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:27.880 He contacts the police to be like, dude, this is 1:13:27.960 --> 1:13:30.240 kind of stressing me out, and they tell him I 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:32.160 wouldn't worry about it. It It seems like they were killed 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:35.880 somewhere else and just dumped there. That's almost like a 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:38.960 modern art type of thing. He's like, where do I 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.960 draw the line? Put it? Put a body inside a 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.519 recycling man? You have? But here's the thing. If what 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:47.960 if you come across this guy dumping these recycling bands, 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:50.400 what he's getting there exactly? Like now, I don't want 1:13:50.400 --> 1:13:52.240 to quit. This has always been my dream, but like, 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:54.639 how do you like it's hard to work in this environment? 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:58.880 And he cites a bunch of other like just the 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:05.920 proximity to cry him when you're guarding there. Last one 1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:10.120 I was talking about. We we were talking about the carp, 1:14:10.479 --> 1:14:17.120 the um asiatic carp species that have joined the European 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:20.800 invasive carp in certain watersheds. So you we've always said 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:24.920 we've had common carp here since all over one of 1:14:24.960 --> 1:14:26.680 the primary I don't know, do you guys have Do 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:29.679 you guys have common carp in your waterways in Hawaiian 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:35.439 not really Okay, nuded as Alaska. Uh, it's one of 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:38.840 the top invasive species in the country as common carp 1:14:39.160 --> 1:14:42.080 and then in recent decades it's been going on forever. 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:48.320 Now big head silver, what else? Yeah, that's the silver 1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:53.479 is like the Asian carp but the right they are, Yeah, 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.080 but they're two different species. They these are like like 1:14:56.120 --> 1:15:00.559 a plankton feeding largely orbivorous carp species. Is they brought 1:15:00.640 --> 1:15:05.280 him into the country to clean aquaculture facilities, so they'd 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:07.800 use them at calfish farms and they turn his carp 1:15:07.880 --> 1:15:10.360 out and these carpe living there and they sucked the 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:13.080 algae and stuff up and help. But then with flooding 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:15.800 they all get into the river system. Analysis yea, the 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:19.320 whole ecological disaster. We covered that and I shared what 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:22.120 I shared the sentiment of a biologist who said to me, 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:24.760 I don't see a way out of this if it's 1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:30.160 not a biological if it's not a disease solution, but 1:15:30.240 --> 1:15:36.639 there seems to be limited appetite for introducing a virus 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:40.320 where they've been able to eradicate fish species and like 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:43.320 connected bodies of water. It's typically like a three pronged 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:50.480 approach where they use some mechanical deterrence against the species 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:54.240 during their their spawning season, so they prevent them from 1:15:54.280 --> 1:15:56.880 going to where they need to go to spawn. You know, 1:15:56.920 --> 1:16:04.200 they're preferred spawning areas, um than they use uh poison 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:14.840 and then other like yeah um, but the social tolerances 1:16:14.880 --> 1:16:18.000 for all this stuff are pretty low. And then you 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:21.479 know there's also like significant like by catch, and then 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:25.240 in these areas that are like super when you wrote 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:30.559 on a water system, everybody dies. Yeah, but they'll now 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:32.800 then do it. It's like, um, what was that that 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:35.439 thing in Vietnam? You gotta burn burn the village to 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:40.320 save it. They'll remember, like they've had breakouts of non 1:16:40.400 --> 1:16:43.800 natives and they're like this three miles of the river 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:49.280 is getting cooked, and kill everything in a stretch of 1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:53.240 river just to get the culprit right, trusting that it 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:59.439 will recover over time, you know yeah yeah, um, so yeah, 1:16:59.479 --> 1:17:03.839 it's and and there's the other mechanicals like traps, gill nets, 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:08.120 stuff like that, but it's uh and then wrote known 1:17:08.439 --> 1:17:15.719 is obviously like a water soluble um god South American 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:20.719 root um. And so they have a bunch of models 1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:23.000 as to how much they can put in and then 1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:27.599 at what stages throughout the water column or river system 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:30.559 that it will dissipate for to be like non lethal, 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.320 because I think at a certain point like fish can recover, 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:39.280 but it's it's suffocates fish, right, Isn't that how it works? Yeah? 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.240 Did you see where me and Yanni went with those 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:45.320 um those dudes that use the different route. I can't 1:17:45.320 --> 1:17:47.520 read the word they used for its sound like tabasco, 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:52.320 but it wasn't tabasco. Yeah, it's like it's basco sauce there. 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:56.040 It's like barbasco. They had a root, they had a plant, 1:17:56.520 --> 1:18:00.680 and they went and they poisoned the fish, but it 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:03.400 just mostly killed them. And then they go shoot them 1:18:03.400 --> 1:18:06.479 with their bows and then the effects would wear off. 1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:09.679 But while they were mostly dead, they'd be up gulping 1:18:09.720 --> 1:18:11.200 at the surface and they just go out shoot them 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:12.920 all with their bows and it was like a regular 1:18:12.960 --> 1:18:15.120 fish harvest method. And they go they got the plant 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:18.320 growing all around their house, all around their village. You know. 1:18:19.040 --> 1:18:23.160 I've done that in rural China, like with these Chinese ladies, 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:27.559 um who would just go and they would like sing 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:30.360 songs and a tribe and they would smash up this 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:32.160 route I forget what it was called. And then they 1:18:32.200 --> 1:18:35.479 would just put it upstream and it would temporarily. What 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:37.160 they would say is make the fish go to sleep, 1:18:37.439 --> 1:18:42.000 you know, and all the fish would float and we 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:44.200 would just go catch them with their nets before they'd 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:46.080 wake up. And then you see them waking up and 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:50.000 swimming off. What these guys would do to to to 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.160 improve it as they'd be inside channels and the first 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:55.559 thing they do is build rock walls to slow the 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:59.759 current down, poison the side channel, shoot what they wanted, 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:03.439 then open up the barricade to let clean water flush 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:07.679 through to help resuscitate the fish they didn't want either way. 1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:14.679 Long story short, Australia is poised to do what I said, 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:18.320 there's little appetite to do. They are considering The Australian 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:23.720 government is considering using a type of herpes virus as 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:28.240 a biological agent to reduce the population to carp. Yeah, 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:32.439 carp herpes is a thing, um, and we recently had 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.000 a breakout here in the in the US, which is 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:39.519 really interesting. They think it came from domestic goldfish being 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:44.559 released into waterways. Let that be uh notice for your parents, 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:48.519 just just say no when your kid wants that old 1:19:48.800 --> 1:19:51.599 nasty goldfish swimming around in the plastic bag at the fair. 1:19:51.720 --> 1:19:56.479 This summer goldfish brought herpes in, that's the theory. Yeah, 1:19:56.720 --> 1:20:01.240 Or flush it down the toilet like we used to. Yeah, 1:20:02.000 --> 1:20:05.479 not that, brother, turn it, loosen your water away, or 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:09.000 just eat it that it's got hurt pies. Let's see it. 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:12.760 When you're burying your next coffee plant, throw a few 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:17.920 goldfish in the bottom of it. Yeah. Uh, where do 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:20.920 we start? Tell me you're fit? Like, what was your 1:20:20.920 --> 1:20:24.800 favorite thing of the days that we spent fish together? Kimmy, 1:20:25.360 --> 1:20:28.800 I already have my um. Oh gosh, well that was 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:32.040 just one day. I had four highlights of our whole 1:20:32.880 --> 1:20:37.439 little diving trip we just had. There'd be a lot 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:39.639 of highlots and do you want men to say them? 1:20:39.640 --> 1:20:44.320 I feel like, okay, it would definitely be you getting 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:48.759 your first mohi um. That was a for sure highlight 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:52.080 because that mah he was being really tricky at first, 1:20:53.000 --> 1:20:55.240 nice big bull ma. He got me so excited to 1:20:55.240 --> 1:20:57.840 see it there. I haven't seen one like that big 1:20:57.880 --> 1:20:59.880 in a while. They've been showing up small lately, and 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:04.920 so to see that and having me such a tricky fish, 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:06.479 I mean, I feel like you should just tell a story. 1:21:06.520 --> 1:21:12.759 Now you got to tell because he was so basically, um, 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:18.360 first time blue water diving for you, right, not really anyway, 1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:22.760 we did like what I guess like borderline that for 1:21:22.800 --> 1:21:25.439 about an hour one time it was like a little 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:30.439 de two around otherwise and nothing happened. Well, we jump 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:34.519 in at a buoy, um fad, and I immediately see 1:21:34.560 --> 1:21:40.320 this big bull mahi and um and nothing I can do, 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:42.760 like we'll bring this mohi into as member. I was 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:44.960 like during the flash or throwing fish and it was 1:21:45.000 --> 1:21:48.120 just staying on the outskirts. Jimmy keeps the fish talked 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.800 in her sleeve. Yeah what kind of fishes that? That 1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:53.760 was in a coole a scat macro, I believe, but 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:56.599 she keeps talked in her sleeve. And then you'll look 1:21:57.680 --> 1:22:00.320 like when you're on the so, I mean you're at 1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:04.120 that point in time, we're so like, but all these 1:22:04.160 --> 1:22:06.920 plagics are like, I mean that fish was almost like 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:09.320 like at the surface, I mean interesting in the surface 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:12.080 where you gotta go down to almost look over and 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:15.120 see him. But keeps that fish. And then you see 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.559 a fish way off and one trick is the come 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:21.040 up and literally throw the fish like a baseball to 1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:23.879 try to land it over yonder and get its attention. 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:28.200 He would pay attention. I would get their attention with 1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:30.240 the splash, and he kind of turn and look at it, 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.360 but he was not interested in not committing, and so 1:22:32.439 --> 1:22:36.479 that was a bummer. But we decided to do another drift, 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:39.000 you know, getting it at the same we drifted past 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:42.000 the buoy. We decided to do it again anyway, and 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.360 this time, as we're setting up, we just see these 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:51.000 huge pilot whales everywhere, which are pretty impressive, intimidating apex 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:53.840 predators of the ocean that just love to gobble up ma. 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:57.960 He he's in tuna and have big old teeth. And I, 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.200 you know, I was like, you guys still want to 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:02.040 get in, and everyone still wanted to get in, so 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:05.040 we did. Because it's a famous story where one grabbed 1:23:05.960 --> 1:23:08.679 like they grabbed people now and then oh yeah, yeah, 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:12.280 people have died because of pilot whales pulling them under 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:18.280 and toying with them, for sure. Um. But when we 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:21.840 get in. As soon as we jumped in, UM, you 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:24.200 didn't see it. But I looked at the buoy from 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:26.559 far far away, and I could see that same bowl mahi, 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:30.479 and this time he was doing super duper tight circles 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:33.040 around that buoy, and I just was like, Oh, he's 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:36.080 really scared because there's all these pilot whales all over 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:39.120 and um, and so he's just trying to find shelter. 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:44.120 He's wrapped around the bowery totally, and it was amazing, 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:45.800 like he was like like glue to it in a 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:49.639 circle totally, like just conforming his whole body around this buoy. 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.080 And at the time you just took a nice graceful 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:55.840 dive to check out what was below you. But I 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:58.639 saw him so far away. As soon as you even 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:01.719 just dipped under, he did his last circle and left, 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:03.600 and I was just like, shoot, he's still going to 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:07.800 be hard to get, you know. UM. But I I 1:24:07.880 --> 1:24:11.960 turned to Justin Um and I said, I said, you know, 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:13.840 I just saw this buoy doing these tight circles. I 1:24:13.840 --> 1:24:16.519 think it's scared to pilot whales, and I think it's 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:18.840 so scared that if we ever dive, we're not going 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:22.040 to have a chance. But maybe if we could just flow, 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:24.840 if he ever comes back, if he ever comes back 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:27.200 and does that again, if we just kind of float 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:30.000 up to it, maybe we can get it. And Justin's like, 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:31.800 oh yeah, okay. Later he told me he was just 1:24:31.960 --> 1:24:36.559 was thinking like that will never work. Um. But anyway, Steve, 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:40.120 we see some oh no's, we see that, some other things, um, 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:42.360 but there's not really too much going on. We're not 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:45.720 getting close to anything. And maybe after like ten or 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:48.920 fifteen minutes, I just saw the ma he coming back, 1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:51.160 and so I just grabbed Steve and I just said 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.920 that that mom, he's going to go straight to the buoy. 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:56.200 It's going to start doing these circles around the buoy. 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:59.080 You cannot dive, but you have to somehow get to 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:01.519 that buoy. I'm gonna stay back. I don't want too 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:04.080 much pressure on it. But when you go there, you 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.000 just have to stay on the surface. You have to 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:09.080 drift your like driftwood. You know, you are not a hunter, 1:25:09.160 --> 1:25:10.840 you are not a pilot whale. You are just a 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:13.880 piece of wood drifting see how close you can drift 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:16.599 to this mohi and then shoot it from the surface, 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:20.439 don't go under and just shoot it. And and to 1:25:20.640 --> 1:25:25.160 just stay back and watch in such such high anticipation 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:27.559 as you and Justin who was filming right behind you, 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:29.640 just it was like a quirktoon of you guys, just 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:34.080 like just like drifting in, kicking whenever the mall he 1:25:34.120 --> 1:25:37.240 turned away from you, not kicking when he was facing you, 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:42.160 and just that gap that you closed so patiently, so slowly, 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:46.080 um and then just watching you shoot that mohi. That 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:51.360 was by far like a huge highlight. That was so cool. 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.599 That was a highlight for me and and uh generous 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:58.600 of you because I realized, like I don't notice that, 1:25:58.680 --> 1:26:01.639 I don't notice things that good. Yeah, well it's gonna 1:26:01.680 --> 1:26:04.080 take You guys are always like oh there's that, there's that, 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:07.160 there's that. Yeah. I never get to be the one 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:10.639 that's like, hey, well it's not you. That you never 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:15.960 be the one, because my next highlight would be you 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:19.040 getting your first oh no, Like this is just incredible 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:20.800 that you got your first mohi and your first own 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.800 on this trip, but you getting your first oh no no, 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:28.599 that was something that you did on your own, like 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.040 I might have put a backup shot in it, but 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:34.200 you you sighed on your own. I wasn't. I didn't 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.240 even see it. You know, you saw it. I was 1:26:36.280 --> 1:26:39.880 watching cow. I was watching you down underwater trying to 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:41.400 take a shot on a little tuna, and I was 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:45.240 so fixated on you that I didn't see these ohals swimming. 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:50.240 Steve saw them immediately, did his thing, went after one 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:53.920 and shot when um and and yeah, I just remember 1:26:53.960 --> 1:26:56.400 looking down and when you came back up, more tuna 1:26:56.439 --> 1:26:58.559 came into I was saying, you know, dive, Steve, dive. 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:01.080 And I looked up and had no idea where you were. 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:03.519 You weren't anywhere. I kind of panicked, and I felt 1:27:03.680 --> 1:27:06.680 afraid that I lost you. Little sharky that day. It 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:08.840 was very sharky. And it's just like, you know, I 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:11.360 just always try to count my duckies and keep you 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:14.759 guys all in order, and when when one goes missing, 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:20.120 it really freaked me out, goes high. Yeah, but Danny 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.120 was on the boat, thank goodness, keeping an eye and 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:24.720 everybody and just was like Steve's here, and he's on 1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:28.400 and to swim over and see that you shot an 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:31.400 Oh no, like that was crazy. You did it all 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:34.120 on your own. It was great and the not easy 1:27:34.280 --> 1:27:38.639 fish to shoot. No, it's not like that's huge, both 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:43.640 of you. It was awesome. Oh yeah I was. I 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.559 was pumped too, Yeah, yeah, I mean coming it was 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:52.559 a goat rope from the way outside, coming in sharks 1:27:52.600 --> 1:27:55.519 and running line all over the place and all the stuff, 1:27:55.560 --> 1:28:00.800 and I just I couldn't fathom that that thing made 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:05.840 it to you whole. Oh yeah, gimme shot one, and 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:10.560 man it happened fast. Shot a big fish. I don't like, 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:15.360 maybe more than that. Yeah, it was the same, just 1:28:15.400 --> 1:28:18.599 like shot one and its half of it just vanishing 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:21.360 that things mouth. Yeah, we had the shark next to us, 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:25.880 and that shark just be lined straight to you guys, 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:28.240 and right there I knew, like, oh man, they got 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:30.160 some action or something's going on. So I picked my 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:31.760 head up and look, and sure enough, you guys are 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:35.519 fighting a fish, and that shark just came over. Because 1:28:35.680 --> 1:28:38.519 there's no way from where we were that shark could 1:28:38.600 --> 1:28:41.479 not see what you guys were doing. The visibility of 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:46.920 this trip was was absolutely staggering, I think as I've 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:48.599 ever been able to see in the ocean. It's good. 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:54.000 We were outside of visibility range, so that shar felt something. 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:56.920 As soon as she shot that fish, that shark was 1:28:56.960 --> 1:29:00.599 like oh boy, yeah, he was like chilled down, you know, 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:03.680 like lower right hand corner of the visibility spectrum. And 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:06.519 then all of a sudden he just goes yeah. I 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:09.519 mean they have those lateral lines designed to just pick 1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:12.360 up vibrations of a fish and distresses. So when I 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:16.840 shot my own no and it started doing it's, you know, 1:29:17.360 --> 1:29:20.040 dying thing. Um, that shark just closed that gap in 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:22.479 a matter of seconds. And I always have theories of oh, 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:25.960 what to do to save your fish I'm getting eaten 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:27.720 by a shark, But there are sometimes like that where 1:29:27.760 --> 1:29:30.479 there's just nothing you could do. He just committed right 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:33.560 away and just gobbled that thing. Well we got we 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:38.280 got a third of it. Yeah, which still Manasashi me. 1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:44.120 These are oceanic white tip sharks, and I know you 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.479 still got more highlights to go, but I want to 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:48.040 tell you one of my highlights is they travel with 1:29:48.600 --> 1:29:52.920 or the they have pilot fish, yeah, which travel with them. 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:57.439 They do. It's like a blue striped fish. Yeah, go 1:29:57.479 --> 1:29:59.800 look at shark potols. You see the pilot fish hanging 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:02.240 out them, and we got to talk about the table, 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:05.439 like whether they look like tasty little fish. They looked 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:08.400 very edible. I never thought of it that way until 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:14.400 Steve said. She took a three pronged spear in shot. 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:16.639 It was like person walking a dog, and she picked 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:22.000 off his pilot fish, his pomeranium. She picked off the 1:30:22.000 --> 1:30:24.200 sharks pilot fish. And I don't know if the shark 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:25.600 would be mad. And then I want to get you 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:27.880 for having gotten his pilot fish. But he had to 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:29.680 and he didn't need to carry. He didn't seem to care. 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:34.240 I want when he said that, he said, what does 1:30:34.240 --> 1:30:36.479 the pilot fish taste like? And I said, I don't know. 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:38.800 We both just looked at it and we're like, that 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:43.240 thing looks so tasty, let's see if we can get it. 1:30:43.000 --> 1:30:48.160 It is a weird thing to to say that, Like 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:50.559 you're impressed by how a shark can move in the water. 1:30:50.760 --> 1:30:55.240 It's like, well, no, no ship, but to witness it 1:30:55.920 --> 1:31:01.040 and in a bunch of different scenarios, they can just 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.320 do whatever they want, even when you're surrounded by like 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:10.960 very graceful, capable people in the water. Likely it's there 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:15.000 if they want, if they want you you're getting it, 1:31:15.080 --> 1:31:16.400 you know what I mean. Like, that's why I like 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:19.160 not one of those starts want to get after us, 1:31:19.200 --> 1:31:21.439 because if they did, you'd know it. You know, as 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:23.680 much as we bump them off and stuff like, there 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.680 would be almost nothing you could do if he really 1:31:26.720 --> 1:31:37.720 get serious about it. I know you got more you 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:40.439 want to highlights, but I just want to have observation. Uh. 1:31:40.560 --> 1:31:46.120 You hear so much about UM human impacts in the 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:50.240 ocean and like ghost nets. So a ghost that would 1:31:50.280 --> 1:31:53.520 be like like our ghost traps, like abandoned fishing equipment 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:57.240 that continues to function. UM. Where we trap crabs and 1:31:57.280 --> 1:32:01.600 shrimp in Alaska, for instance, you have to regular traps 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:04.519 or there's basically a slit in the nylon mesh netting 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:08.360 and you sew that slit up with cotton twine and 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:13.360 then the regulation specify the diameter like the thickness of 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:15.719 the twine and meant to be that if you lose 1:32:15.840 --> 1:32:19.559 or abandon the trap in short order, that cotton twine 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:23.280 will degrade and the trap will cease to function because 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:25.360 they're not. She gets in the trap, it dies, It 1:32:25.400 --> 1:32:28.160 baits and more stuff that comes into the trap. It dies. 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:29.920 Like when you said, a shrimp pot, and shrimp get 1:32:29.960 --> 1:32:31.720 in there, and then octopus gets in there, and then 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:35.400 like it just continues to kill ship. So we go 1:32:35.520 --> 1:32:37.880 up to a buoy and there is a hunk of 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.280 it looks like cardon, not fishing net. It look like 1:32:41.280 --> 1:32:44.759 a hunk of cargo netting, like a hunk of cargo 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:47.560 net hung up on the booty chain. And in the 1:32:47.640 --> 1:32:53.559 hunk of cargo net is though, is a big rainbow 1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:59.360 runner gill netted on it. Still the weirdest thing like 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:01.680 when I saw what I like, I ran through all 1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:05.880 these like what like did someone store it there? Like 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:09.480 like I couldn't understand, just like alive in the net. 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:12.439 He somehow jammed his head into a scrap no bigger 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:16.240 than a half bed sheet of cargo netting hanging off 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:18.120 a booty chain and he tried to swim through it. 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:22.400 Then so there was that, Well, I feel like that 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:24.880 might have happened somewhere, because you think that shark would 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.320 have got after it right like that. That's the second 1:33:27.360 --> 1:33:30.400 thing I thought, Why did the shark not eat the 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:31.600 fish that stuck in the net. It was like it 1:33:31.760 --> 1:33:37.439 just happened. Then we saw two sharks carrying big leaders 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:43.080 with hooks. I saw a tuna carrying a leader with 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:46.760 a hook, and then we saw another shark that had 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:50.040 gotten himself tangled up in a hunk of rope where 1:33:50.040 --> 1:33:52.120 he was like lassoed by a hunk of rope that 1:33:52.200 --> 1:33:55.240 has had seven ft of barnacle and crusted rope hanging 1:33:55.280 --> 1:34:00.160 off of it, cutting into his skin. One of the 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.200 camera guys grabbed the rope and tried to saw the 1:34:02.280 --> 1:34:04.080 rope off. As soon as you grab the rope, he 1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:07.040 had all that open wound and a suit. That was 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:08.519 the only thing that you could poke that shark in 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:10.160 the nose all day long. It wouldn't bother him. The 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:11.840 one thing that bothered that shark is when you grab 1:34:11.920 --> 1:34:15.360 that rope and then he take off. You couldn't get 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:20.920 the rope cut off. The rope around like literally like 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:25.000 a bucking bull at the fair right like so it's 1:34:25.120 --> 1:34:28.439 perfectly like mid section just ahead of the dorsal fan 1:34:28.800 --> 1:34:30.960 with the tag end coming off, like somebody was going 1:34:31.000 --> 1:34:34.080 to straddle the shark behind the dorsal and hang onto 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:38.000 that thing. You'll absolutely see that shark in the show. 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:42.479 Would it almost looked like like it that beautiful big 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:46.000 shark trailing that rope, and it was so symmetrical the 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:48.200 way it was around him and just laid on him 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:50.439 and had all that stuff grown on it. It almost 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:54.240 was like it was like artistic. It looked like shark 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:57.880 wearing a Yeah, like had like an artistic quality if 1:34:57.880 --> 1:34:59.840 you could, if you could arrest it from everything. It 1:34:59.880 --> 1:35:02.760 was like this kind of like beautiful thing of him 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:08.080 coming up through the water column trailing that heavy frayed 1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.600 But how in the world did he get that on him? 1:35:10.960 --> 1:35:13.640 I still badly wanted to cut that thing off, just 1:35:13.680 --> 1:35:16.640 to be like, cut that thing off. What what is 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:22.559 a rainbow runner? Is the Hawaiian word? Um? Is it 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:26.880 part of a I would guess it's a part of 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:30.240 the mackerel family, would be my guest, but I don't know. 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:35.320 Also the magerel or jack, but I don't know. I 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:37.280 don't know. But they look really similar to the like 1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:41.440 I mean, I was actly like the yellowtail but in California. 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:44.479 But they have similar things to him, you know, a 1:35:44.560 --> 1:35:46.559 little bit more slender, a little bit more sleek, but 1:35:47.200 --> 1:35:50.639 got that bright orange tail or by yellowtail. And when 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:55.360 you consider like the vastness of the ocean, and obviously 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:57.840 like those booties do attract life, and that's why folks 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:00.679 go out there and fish. But like Jack to come 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:05.280 across this rainbow runner, which is a jack stuck in 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:09.559 that cargo net in a place where the sharks were 1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:13.080 looking to eat food. So yeah, I would go with 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:15.599 the theory that it just happened, But like, what are 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:21.000 the odds of, like in this giant blue pond, bottomless pond, 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:24.400 to come across something that just happened on the day 1:36:24.439 --> 1:36:27.640 that you just happened to be there is bizarre to me, 1:36:28.080 --> 1:36:30.920 Like just weird how stuff happens. It was a score. 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:33.080 It's just like I saw Steve trying to get it 1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:34.800 free and I'm like, we'll stick a stick a knife 1:36:34.800 --> 1:36:39.200 in his brain first, Like yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:41.760 if you're trying to free m or what. But it's 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:43.880 a good eating fist. No. I used the word rescue, 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:45.920 but that wasn't quite the word. That was funny later 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:47.920 when it was dead and I was about, you're like, 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:53.160 look at the one we rescued. Hight next highlight it 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:57.320 was when the crew started fishing and Seth hooked into 1:36:57.360 --> 1:37:00.519 it too, was cranking it up like a champ and 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:03.920 you weren't giving the gaff up because um, Sam was 1:37:04.360 --> 1:37:06.160 cranking up tuna on the other side, and so you 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:08.400 needed it for her. But our fish was boat side 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:11.439 already and we needed a gaff and and I just 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:16.320 found this little baby gaffs a little handheld like like 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:19.680 a little captain hook hook. Yeah, not even for a 1:37:19.680 --> 1:37:24.920 teen incher um And was it a metal one yeah yeah, 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:27.800 And just just got to stick it with that and 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:29.719 help get it in the boat. That was really exciting, 1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:33.240 Like I just started jumping up and down and clapping. Yeah. 1:37:33.280 --> 1:37:36.640 I was like frantically looking for a gaff and I 1:37:36.680 --> 1:37:40.240 turned around the fishes in the boat. It was like, 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:45.840 oh great, there we hit the tuna. Like it was like, 1:37:46.040 --> 1:37:49.320 well anybody can catch tuna type of timing, right, It 1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:51.759 was like bagoes in the water. You wait a minute, 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:57.360 thirty seconds. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty rare for it 1:37:57.400 --> 1:37:59.479 to be like that, and amazing for you guys to 1:37:59.479 --> 1:38:01.439 see that they're jumping out of the water too, Like 1:38:01.479 --> 1:38:04.880 that was so fun. Gaff and tune is stressful. So 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:08.240 so you guys got a long leader and you're and 1:38:08.320 --> 1:38:10.240 you're reel up and eventually get where the leader hits 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:12.519 the rod tip you can't reel anymore. And then someone 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:16.320 puts on gloves or not and starts wrapping her hand 1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:20.320 around that leader and bringing the fish up. Danny's telling 1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:23.360 me like, I'll tell you when to gaff it. So 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:26.000 I'm thinking he's gonna say gaff it when it's like, 1:38:26.960 --> 1:38:29.120 you know, tucker it out, like laying at the surface, 1:38:29.200 --> 1:38:30.880 drag along the side of the boat, and he's you 1:38:30.920 --> 1:38:34.759 can look down and he's down cutting big cookies circles 1:38:35.240 --> 1:38:37.240 and I'm like just chilling, thinking like eventually it'll be 1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:40.960 up here and it'll be like placid, you know, not 1:38:41.080 --> 1:38:43.800 hooking in the boat. And I'm not even kind of ready. 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:48.120 And I think he's like now, I'm like, oh, I 1:38:48.120 --> 1:38:51.719 didn't know you meant like that. Do you think that gaff? 1:38:51.760 --> 1:38:53.080 And new pulled up? But then we were with the 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:57.320 dude named Jonah who fishes tuned commercially, and don't I'm 1:38:57.320 --> 1:39:01.920 sure you've seen this move. He gets them on the 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:06.400 leader and just has a baseball bat and not even 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:10.400 gaffed it gets it open. Yeah, if you can see, 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:13.600 it's just cold cock and it stuns it. Yeah, is 1:39:13.640 --> 1:39:15.880 there coming up? You can look at where the hook is, 1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:19.880 so if you know, you've got a good hook placement. 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:25.559 You got some time, you know, But yeah, put them 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:31.120 to sleep. Those fish respond to a blow to the 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:34.400 head like you wish other fish would. Yeah, I mean 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:35.960 to blow to the head on one of those is 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:39.280 like dunzo. Yeah, I feel like it's a bigger fish too, 1:39:39.320 --> 1:39:42.000 and rerecing pretty big bats like they don't, you know, 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:43.920 move much when you hit them. Hit some small and 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:45.960 they kind of go with the flow. This thing has 1:39:46.000 --> 1:39:53.639 got some mass behind it. The efficiencies between recreational technique 1:39:53.640 --> 1:39:57.400 and commercial technique, there's there's some big differences there. Like 1:39:58.240 --> 1:40:01.320 Joan is on the side of the boats, uh, cranking 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:05.559 the thing up, grabbing the leader bat, gaff in the 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:10.040 boat like onto the next one, and we're over making 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:15.920 videos and he would like whack it with the bat 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:19.080 and reach down in his gills pull that stuff out 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:23.080 with his hand and then pulled in the boat like 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:25.360 and we're like over there trying to cut it out 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:28.160 real nice with knives and whatnot. That's one dude. I 1:40:28.160 --> 1:40:30.200 would not want to get punched by man. What do 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:34.240 you guys call sucker punch in Hawaii false crack. I 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.559 would not want to get false cracked by him man 1:40:37.320 --> 1:40:45.240 false Craig meta bac one. Okay, how many more? Get 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:50.080 one more highlight? Um, I guess my just be um 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:55.160 seeing that beautiful ecosystem of everything from bait fish to 1:40:55.320 --> 1:40:59.360 my he's in ono's and shark all underneath just that 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:02.880 floating barrel we found so so not you know, the 1:41:03.080 --> 1:41:05.559 expected that, not the state buoy, but we just came 1:41:05.600 --> 1:41:08.559 across like a piece of trash basically, um, a white 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:11.439 plastic floating barrel that didn't even look like it had 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:12.840 been in the ocean that long and they didn't have 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:15.800 that much growth on it. But the minute you get 1:41:15.840 --> 1:41:18.720 in the water is just crazy what a universe is 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:23.719 around it. That was exciting. Someone brought up the obvious 1:41:24.040 --> 1:41:26.639 point that can't be ignored. Who was it that said 1:41:26.680 --> 1:41:29.639 something about, you know everything, plastics in the ocean, plastics 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:32.040 in the ocean. I think you brought it up. Seth 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:34.360 brought it up. And you jump in under a plastic 1:41:34.479 --> 1:41:39.720 barrel floating to the ocean and the holy ship, Well, 1:41:39.760 --> 1:41:43.439 how could this be bad? Yeah, it's like this barrels. 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:50.280 Steve made this comment about these sharks being such jerks, 1:41:50.280 --> 1:41:53.760 and he's like, they don't learn. They repeatedly do the 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:56.960 same things. And like, one thing that was real interesting 1:41:57.000 --> 1:42:01.519 shark behavior was we we observed these white tips biting 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:07.120 Danny's flashers, which is like understandable, they're meant to attract fish, 1:42:07.280 --> 1:42:10.599 but the same shark would hit it have a very 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:15.679 negative reaction, like irritated, like irritated, did not like it, visibly, 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:19.639 did not like body language, just like yeah, I don't 1:42:19.680 --> 1:42:22.439 like that. Thirty seconds later, he'd come back and try 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:26.120 it again, you know. And this says Steve, was like, yeah, 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:30.400 they're like high school jerks that stuck around town and 1:42:30.439 --> 1:42:36.560 still bully the outside the canvas and bully bully was 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:39.040 just like god, like, why didn't these sharks just like 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:41.439 leave the bully and to go do something good with 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:43.679 their lives instead of just hanging out up being bullies. 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:46.479 But yeah, I do feel like that oceanic white tip 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:49.840 under that plastic barrow that was the one that left 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:53.960 and like did something with his life. He was cool. Yeah. 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:57.720 The conclusion like, this is it, this is the opposite, 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:01.560 This is here's the grown up gut sick all the 1:43:01.920 --> 1:43:04.400 ass slapping and went and found his own little place. 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:09.080 And yeah, and that I mean the sharks really really 1:43:09.240 --> 1:43:14.080 was the top highlight for me, like watching all the 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:17.920 different behavior, watching watching and move around, and and then 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:20.320 being like, oh my gosh, you really gotta pay attention 1:43:20.360 --> 1:43:24.120 to these the agro ones. And but then also like 1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:28.000 some of the more beautiful things that I saw, The 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:30.000 things that are stuck in my head are like the 1:43:30.120 --> 1:43:34.280 bait fish congregating around the sharks, and then then just 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:37.160 doing these big lazy circles and kind of like half 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:41.639 spins through the sunlight and stuff was unbelievable, like really 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:46.280 really amazing. And like those pompano mahi that that the 1:43:46.920 --> 1:43:49.360 cool the laid back shark he was doing something with 1:43:49.400 --> 1:43:53.320 his life was swimming with Like that was just an 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:56.200 awesome scene to just sit and watch over and over again. 1:43:56.400 --> 1:43:58.920 One of the things I appreciate about the the way 1:43:59.000 --> 1:44:03.599 the oceanic white tips move is you imagine most fish 1:44:03.680 --> 1:44:06.960 when they're like ascending or descending a water column, a 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:08.760 lot of times they'll do a movement. It's almost like 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:12.760 someone going up a spiral staircase. Right. They keep there, 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:19.800 they keep their orientation relative to like the planet, right, 1:44:20.160 --> 1:44:24.360 like his peck fins are down and they'll climb and descend. 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:30.000 But stay basically upright. But the way those sharks like 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:34.960 they really are living in a three dimensional space where 1:44:36.200 --> 1:44:41.960 when they're ascending the water column, they're perfectly vertical, Like 1:44:42.040 --> 1:44:45.160 they climb perfectly vertically and they're gliding to something you 1:44:45.240 --> 1:44:47.000 don't see, like you know, you realize when you see 1:44:47.000 --> 1:44:49.639 you're like, not many fish do that do? I mean 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:52.880 like climb like like totally vertically. They're like they're like 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:56.760 a person going up a straight ladder, and it's like 1:44:56.800 --> 1:45:01.760 they're just divorced from yeah, like of normal mechanics of 1:45:02.040 --> 1:45:04.680 what you imagine, you know, how things move. And I 1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:07.760 saw that vertical orientation was when they made up their 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:11.080 mind to go from point A to point right. They're like, huh, 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:15.519 what is that? Diver? It's such a crazy thing. Like 1:45:16.000 --> 1:45:18.040 I feel like the sharks just add I mean, those 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:21.680 the bully sharks like just add a whole another like 1:45:21.840 --> 1:45:24.479 layer of kind of like stress in your mind. Do 1:45:24.560 --> 1:45:25.960 you know that you have to kind of deal with 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:30.880 because they sometimes will get a little aggressive or nippy 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:34.240 at you and um, and it's just it's one more 1:45:34.360 --> 1:45:37.599 thing that you have to like think about while trying 1:45:37.640 --> 1:45:41.120 to hunt, as if like trying to hold your breath, 1:45:41.479 --> 1:45:45.200 dive down and shoot a tuna. Isn't enough to think about, like, 1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:47.439 then you also have to think about the sharks on 1:45:47.520 --> 1:45:50.200 your back. And it's such a crazy and literally on 1:45:50.320 --> 1:45:53.759 your back. There were there were dives where you couldn't 1:45:54.200 --> 1:45:58.200 divorce the shark from like the outline of the diver, 1:45:58.640 --> 1:46:02.040 and so you can't always just look straight ahead at 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:04.360 your target because you always kind of have to be 1:46:04.560 --> 1:46:07.680 checking what the shark's doing and if if you have 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:09.840 to poke it away or whatnot. And that just it 1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:13.760 changes everything. It changes your movement, it changes everything, you know. 1:46:13.880 --> 1:46:16.400 And so it really is like this dance of um 1:46:18.040 --> 1:46:20.880 trying not to care about the sharks to the point 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:24.519 where you can hunt, but not turning that care off 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:26.759 so much where you're complacent and going to get yourself 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:30.080 in trouble. And it really is this weird fine line. 1:46:30.400 --> 1:46:32.920 But it helps to have your buddies like all around 1:46:32.960 --> 1:46:35.240 you poking them off. And that's what I think we 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:37.639 always had to have trust in. It's like, Okay, I'm 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.040 doing this dive, I'm after this fish. If it's a 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:44.280 shark about to eat me, somebody's going to poke it. Yeah, 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:48.120 And and and that's that's definite faith because we we 1:46:48.200 --> 1:46:52.840 had situations where there were five divers, six divers in 1:46:53.240 --> 1:46:59.760 the water and everybody essentially in a circled wagon. For me, 1:47:00.000 --> 1:47:02.800 sen poking at the same shark, he's like not getting 1:47:02.840 --> 1:47:07.479 the message that he's not wanted in the circle, right, Yeah, 1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:11.760 it's wild. Yeah, I know that first day, you know, 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:14.280 Steve it asked what he what I expect to see 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:17.280 out there, and instead of saying, moll he's on those 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:20.439 you know, my first thing was sat sharks. And I 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:22.160 kind of felt bad about that, right because like I 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:24.040 didn't want to put like any negative spin on it. 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:25.599 I just knew that we were going to see him 1:47:25.680 --> 1:47:28.519 and that was gonna be like obstacle to overcome just 1:47:28.640 --> 1:47:30.560 getting everbody comfortable with it. And that was and I 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:33.400 told you guys that, like, hey, first day, first couple 1:47:33.400 --> 1:47:35.719 of days, let's get in the water and just get comfortable, 1:47:36.439 --> 1:47:38.160 especially before we go to some of those spots we 1:47:38.200 --> 1:47:40.479 went to because I knew there'd be more of them. 1:47:41.120 --> 1:47:43.439 Let's just get kind of an idea on how they 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:48.400 move and stuff. And I mean two to be able 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:51.840 to relax through that, for you guys is huge because 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.120 I've spent a ton of time with him. Kimmy spent 1:47:54.200 --> 1:47:57.240 a ton of time with them. I don't want to 1:47:57.280 --> 1:47:59.400 say it makes it easier, but it definitely makes it easier, 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:00.880 you know, because I kind of know what to expect 1:48:00.960 --> 1:48:02.840 a little bit, and you know, you could always have 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:05.320 that one. But regardless for you guys not having that 1:48:05.439 --> 1:48:08.360 much time with that type of shark and everything, I 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:12.240 felt like you got you know, I totally it took me, 1:48:12.760 --> 1:48:16.960 like years, I feel like, to like get that comfortable 1:48:17.360 --> 1:48:20.720 with sharks. You know, like at first win, sharks will come. 1:48:20.760 --> 1:48:23.320 I just wanted to leave the situation or if a 1:48:23.360 --> 1:48:25.840 shark took my fish, I was just like, we are 1:48:25.920 --> 1:48:29.560 not getting back in right here, you know. And it 1:48:29.720 --> 1:48:32.280 just it just took like repetition in years and whatnot 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:36.280 until I was able to develop that comfort of like, Okay, 1:48:36.560 --> 1:48:40.600 we can still hunt and bomb belbos together. Um, but 1:48:40.720 --> 1:48:43.320 you guys are just doing it well. I mean a 1:48:43.439 --> 1:48:46.880 lot of your confidence comes from your compadres and in 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:51.240 the water red it's like, well, these folks were here 1:48:51.280 --> 1:48:55.040 because these folks know what they're doing and this is 1:48:55.120 --> 1:48:59.040 how they behave That's I mean, that's you gotta adapt 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:05.360 that type of behavior pretty quick, not like Jimmy, Jimmy 1:49:05.400 --> 1:49:07.080 and Danny don't know. They don't seem to know what 1:49:07.160 --> 1:49:10.240 they're doing out here with the with the local wildlife, 1:49:10.439 --> 1:49:12.479 you know. And I try to keep like a reality 1:49:12.560 --> 1:49:15.599 chap too because I have friends that they get real 1:49:15.640 --> 1:49:18.640 complacent with it. So I always in the back of 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:21.000 my head like, hey, that thing's the real deal, you know, 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:23.320 Like I said, if that thing wants you, it's it's done. 1:49:23.360 --> 1:49:26.160 So look at the own right the owner, like that 1:49:26.320 --> 1:49:35.400 is a stick of dance muscle, and it was. It 1:49:35.680 --> 1:49:42.040 was vaporized and just in that shakes belly immediately in seconds. Yeah. Yeah, 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:44.880 there's a big spinal column that runs down the middle 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:46.439 of it. I got one last thing I want to 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:51.280 say about fishing. Um, we're fighting in a tuna and 1:49:51.320 --> 1:49:54.400 the tuna was pretty played out. It's cut close to 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:59.320 the boat. And also just and I said, oh, he's 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:05.280 running for days like that, ain't him? Because yeah, like 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:07.160 a shark and grab him and just ahead of for 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:09.720 the depths with him. And I was like oh. And 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:15.200 then pretty soon the line Kimmy's about to say, I 1:50:15.280 --> 1:50:18.760 should have reeled faster, but I was paying attention and 1:50:21.880 --> 1:50:24.560 I don't know if there was anybody reeling faster on 1:50:24.720 --> 1:50:27.120 the boat for other fish? I mean, yeah, it was 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:32.400 just one of those right, Like it's tiring, you know. 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:35.000 It's just like when you're reeling that thing in and 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:40.200 it can be tiring. Yeah, absolutely, but I mean give me, 1:50:40.800 --> 1:50:42.720 Yeah it was fast. I mean it was to the 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:45.439 boat fast. And I think that was a nice fist. Yeah, 1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:49.639 I thought it wasn't. Yeah, we paid they we paid 1:50:49.680 --> 1:50:53.760 the tax now, yeah, we paid our Yeah. Yeah, I'm 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:56.800 just curious of what that shark looked like to be 1:50:56.960 --> 1:51:00.920 able to Yeah, and like he said, what a meal? 1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:04.320 You know, if that was that was a forty pounder, 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:09.479 what a meal? I will say the inner guards of 1:51:09.520 --> 1:51:12.600 the white tips to write, it's like, you know, I 1:51:12.720 --> 1:51:17.200 definitely like get your confidence in playbook from the folks 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:20.680 that you're swimming with. But I bet I picked up 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:25.439 the silhouette of silhouette and outline of a white tip 1:51:26.439 --> 1:51:29.040 in my brain a lot faster than a lot of 1:51:29.080 --> 1:51:31.840 the praise species that were after. Like I was, I 1:51:31.960 --> 1:51:33.840 was like way out there, I'm like, oh, I see 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:38.599 you coming with the white tips. Danny want to close 1:51:38.680 --> 1:51:43.800 the question for you. Uh. We recently had a guest 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:46.439 on Seth Cantner came on the show and he um 1:51:47.720 --> 1:51:50.920 grew up outside of Cotsbue, was raised in a sod hut, 1:51:51.720 --> 1:51:55.920 living off the land, and he was laughing about their 1:51:56.040 --> 1:52:00.200 perspective on caribou, you know, like in in The Hate 1:52:00.200 --> 1:52:02.080 of Cultures, and the way he was brought up would 1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:06.880 be like if someone gets a caribou, it's was it fat? Right? 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:11.280 Meaning all they're looking at is the rump? Yeah? And 1:52:11.360 --> 1:52:15.240 he said and then folks like me or like was 1:52:15.280 --> 1:52:21.519 it big? Meaning antlers? Uh, We're going to spend the 1:52:21.640 --> 1:52:26.000 next few days bow hunting for feral sheep ferrel sheep 1:52:26.040 --> 1:52:29.280 in Hawaii? Am I Like? What are your thoughts on 1:52:29.320 --> 1:52:30.960 the fact that I want to get like a lamb? 1:52:32.160 --> 1:52:35.840 I have no problem with that? Is that a normal desire? Ok? So, 1:52:36.280 --> 1:52:38.280 like I don't know if it's a normal desire, because yeah, 1:52:38.320 --> 1:52:41.960 there is that like for us definitely, Yeah, like that 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:45.160 is for us. It's food, you know, like a lot 1:52:45.160 --> 1:52:47.000 of the hunting idea. I'm not very picky even when 1:52:47.040 --> 1:52:50.240 I go LK hunting and stuff. Um, I'm not very 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:54.120 picky obviously, right, Like if the opportunities they're cool, but 1:52:54.479 --> 1:52:57.920 especially at home, we're not very picky. It's food, you know, 1:52:58.000 --> 1:52:59.880 we're looking at it. It's like, okay, there, this is 1:53:00.320 --> 1:53:04.200 the grocery store. And sometimes you know, whatever you want 1:53:04.200 --> 1:53:06.080 to say, oh that one's tender or whatever. Sometimes you 1:53:06.160 --> 1:53:08.760 just don't want that much meat either, you know. So 1:53:08.840 --> 1:53:12.439 there's no like, um, there's no stigma against shooting a 1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:15.240 lamb like there would be if you targeted a spotted deer. 1:53:15.320 --> 1:53:17.920 Phone now, and and I can be a little picky 1:53:18.000 --> 1:53:20.680 with it, like the last time I shot a smaller one. 1:53:20.760 --> 1:53:24.640 You know, I'm looking like, okay, here's an email. Is 1:53:24.680 --> 1:53:27.280 it pregnant? Is it? You know, how old is it? 1:53:28.120 --> 1:53:29.720 And they're like, okay, this is kind of like a 1:53:29.840 --> 1:53:32.519 year ling that's not pregnant, Like this is probably a 1:53:32.560 --> 1:53:34.720 good one I could shoot, you know. So there's a 1:53:34.760 --> 1:53:37.360 little bit of a thought process that goes behind it. Um, 1:53:38.479 --> 1:53:40.960 But I got no problem with that. I think it 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:44.760 just really helps that. Um, there's such invasive species here 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:48.160 in Knowwaii, So whether you're going to shoot a little 1:53:48.640 --> 1:53:51.719 access fun or whether you're going to shoot a little 1:53:52.600 --> 1:53:57.439 you know, lamb, like it is also like good for 1:53:57.560 --> 1:54:01.360 the forest that you're doing. So, um, it doesn't matter 1:54:01.600 --> 1:54:04.519 what size, right because it's just like taking one out 1:54:04.760 --> 1:54:10.040 is just like one less of like a very overpopulated species. 1:54:11.360 --> 1:54:14.559 I got a couple of days hunting with a mutual 1:54:14.680 --> 1:54:19.320 friend of these guys, Sean Hashazaki averund Maui, and we 1:54:19.640 --> 1:54:21.960 were walking back to the truck and we got into 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:27.040 this like very nice, even tall grass meadow and we 1:54:27.160 --> 1:54:31.200 started walking through there there were access deer fawns like 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:36.280 I am not exaggerating, like jack rabbit size, and they 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.320 just started like popping out of the grass in front 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:42.040 of us, popping, popping, popping, And I keep hearing Sean 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:45.600 saying this word behind me, and I'm kind of quasi 1:54:45.680 --> 1:54:47.760 paying attention, and then I finally turned to him and 1:54:47.880 --> 1:54:52.880 he's like tasty. It's like it's tasty. It's tasty. And 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:55.720 then I was like, oh, okay, got it, and then 1:54:56.000 --> 1:54:59.480 I missed him, didn't get I mean, nobody thinks twice, 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:03.400 right like they see lamptops on the menu. Nobody thinks twice. 1:55:03.960 --> 1:55:08.040 And it's sad that are our general population kind of 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:10.680 just a little bit more disconnected from where where their 1:55:10.680 --> 1:55:12.560 food comes from. But yeah, no one thinks slice about 1:55:12.640 --> 1:55:15.680 lamptops on the on the menu. So we brought up 1:55:15.760 --> 1:55:19.560 the age of domestic livestock at slaughter the one thing, 1:55:19.640 --> 1:55:24.000 and I regret it that I shielded my kids from um. 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:27.200 Not the ian. I shield them from all kinds of 1:55:27.240 --> 1:55:30.760 things when it comes to internet whatever, but the ones 1:55:30.800 --> 1:55:36.920 sort of like natural um food acquisition act right like 1:55:37.200 --> 1:55:41.920 like a like a very human, natural ancestral activity that 1:55:42.040 --> 1:55:44.640 I've shielded my kids from, and I regret it. Was 1:55:44.760 --> 1:55:51.520 slaughtering lamps um. And I was like, man, I thought 1:55:51.560 --> 1:55:53.400 about it. I had my body take him over to 1:55:54.400 --> 1:55:57.120 check out this little pond while they were slaughter in 1:55:57.160 --> 1:56:01.360 these lambs. And then later I'm like many they why not? Yeah? 1:56:01.920 --> 1:56:05.440 I mean totally, I think I read, but for some 1:56:05.560 --> 1:56:07.920 reason it just like struck me, like like I should 1:56:07.960 --> 1:56:09.360 send them off. And then then I'm like, that was 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:13.280 chicken ship. I just shot a little ram um like 1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:15.640 a week ago, and I thought about that part in 1:56:15.720 --> 1:56:18.120 your book where you sent the kids offsously didn't have 1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:20.240 to see it, and I was like wondering if I 1:56:20.320 --> 1:56:24.480 was going to traumatize Buddy by bringing back this dead animal. 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:29.280 Yeah that's cute, fluffy thing and then skinning it and 1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:31.520 taking it apart. But I just went for it, and 1:56:32.080 --> 1:56:35.520 it went't great yeah, he helped me. I mean yeah, yeah. 1:56:35.560 --> 1:56:38.040 People asked like, what's the best time to introduce your 1:56:38.080 --> 1:56:41.960 kids to like animal death. Um, I usually say like 1:56:42.080 --> 1:56:44.800 early enough, or they don't they never even really you 1:56:44.800 --> 1:56:46.720 know what I mean. Yeah, like it's not like a 1:56:46.880 --> 1:56:48.440 day when all of a sudden, it's just like it's 1:56:48.480 --> 1:56:50.600 just like a part of life. And yeah, why I 1:56:50.640 --> 1:56:53.040 ever have like just have it be ingrained that that's 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:54.640 like a thing that happens. But yeah, in that case, 1:56:54.720 --> 1:56:58.360 I didn't, And um, yeah, later on kind of question 1:56:58.440 --> 1:57:00.160 my own judgment on it. Yeah, when they're you or 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:01.600 they don't know any better, right, Like you don't know 1:57:01.640 --> 1:57:04.800 any better. You could be raised and with something that's 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:07.720 not within someone's other morals, you know, but you don't 1:57:07.720 --> 1:57:09.960 know any better. So there's that time. And then I know, 1:57:10.040 --> 1:57:14.200 with my daughter, you know i'd be I'd be both 1:57:14.240 --> 1:57:17.560 hunting and stuff. But I did try. I just didn't 1:57:17.560 --> 1:57:19.320 want her to be grossed out by it because some 1:57:19.400 --> 1:57:21.480 of that stuff is stink, you know, like you've gutting 1:57:21.560 --> 1:57:24.000 something and you're like, to me, it's even like THO 1:57:24.040 --> 1:57:26.320 thinks to stink. So like as a little kid, you 1:57:26.400 --> 1:57:30.240 know they're gonna be like you gross. But I've taken 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:32.080 her see hunting when she was kind of old enough 1:57:32.080 --> 1:57:35.040 to understand what. But the goal was always just, hey, 1:57:35.360 --> 1:57:38.720 it's food. It's no big deal, you know, like that's it. 1:57:38.800 --> 1:57:40.480 I didn't try to make a big deal out of it, 1:57:40.600 --> 1:57:42.760 Like I didn't sit there and try explain the whole thing. 1:57:42.880 --> 1:57:45.760 I just kind of let it happen. And she knew 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:48.200 that I would go hunting and she wouldn't be there 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:49.760 when I clean it, but then we'd eat it, so 1:57:49.880 --> 1:57:53.200 she knew where it came from. Um. So then when 1:57:53.320 --> 1:57:56.360 when it was the time for her to be there 1:57:56.400 --> 1:58:00.560 cleaning with it. And actually the pig that I served 1:58:00.560 --> 1:58:02.400 you guys that first night, she helped me clean that 1:58:02.560 --> 1:58:07.080 thing too. Um. And yeah, it's just it's just a 1:58:07.200 --> 1:58:09.600 normal part of life. And it's either you teach them 1:58:09.640 --> 1:58:11.320 when they're young enough to where they don't know any better, 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:13.280 or you just make sure it's the right time, because 1:58:13.280 --> 1:58:15.800 I could see there being a wrong time where they 1:58:15.880 --> 1:58:18.080 get either go stout by it or they're saddened by it. 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:20.320 You know, it's being a little lamb and they just 1:58:20.400 --> 1:58:23.280 think of these little cartoons baby lambs or something, and 1:58:23.360 --> 1:58:27.080 you're killing them. But your daughter's got a great approach 1:58:27.120 --> 1:58:28.920 to food, though. Man, she cracked me up last night. 1:58:29.320 --> 1:58:32.440 She comes in, starts eating shrimp. It's about a half 1:58:32.440 --> 1:58:36.480 pound of raw tuna. Starts eating Cal's shoulder ducks. Yeah, 1:58:37.000 --> 1:58:40.360 she's just like no, like no, even like sort of 1:58:41.440 --> 1:58:44.920 part of her brain that would be like the impressive 1:58:44.960 --> 1:58:47.120 part of the ducks too. You gotta point out it's like, oh, 1:58:47.360 --> 1:58:50.160 this one's fishy. But then she came back and tried 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:53.840 a different duck, which I mean for even adults. Is 1:58:55.600 --> 1:58:58.000 the reason it's fishy as well as Cal slathered in 1:58:58.160 --> 1:59:01.400 oyster sauce. Yeah, well she you know it tastes like oysters. 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:08.920 Don't play the duck that's Callian's Giant Boston. Steve and 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:11.560 I both went into panic mode. It's like, oh no, 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:19.240 don't imprint the duck is like this this particulars and 1:59:19.360 --> 1:59:21.320 we never like when she was younger, and my wife's 1:59:21.360 --> 1:59:23.600 a big part of this is that she never got 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:26.840 any special meals, you know, whatever we're making, no matter 1:59:26.920 --> 1:59:30.480 how like obscure it was or weird flavors. She never 1:59:30.560 --> 1:59:33.000 got no map cheese, she never got no chicken nuggets, 1:59:33.080 --> 1:59:34.960 none of that either. Eating what we're eating for dinner. 1:59:35.080 --> 1:59:37.760 You're not eating dude. Man. That's if I had one 1:59:39.000 --> 1:59:43.760 like that is my primary parenting suggestion. If I could 1:59:43.760 --> 1:59:47.000 be so audacious as to have parenting suggestions, it was hard. 1:59:47.480 --> 1:59:52.200 Don't fall into the trap and making separate ship at 1:59:52.240 --> 1:59:54.600 that time. Yeah, and there is stuff like you gotta be, 1:59:55.480 --> 1:59:58.320 you gotta understand like something everybody has it on personality. 1:59:58.360 --> 2:00:00.920 So some stuff she just doesn't like. So it's like 2:00:01.000 --> 2:00:02.920 that's all good. Don't eat that. You know, it's no 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:04.920 good deal to try it, but you don't have to 2:00:04.960 --> 2:00:07.480 eat it, you know what we call it. But yeah, 2:00:07.560 --> 2:00:09.560 she'll eat. I mean when she's younger, she she eat 2:00:09.640 --> 2:00:12.600 raw onions, just like a piece of raw onions. Whatever. 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:15.640 She's a she's has like a super good palette. Like 2:00:15.760 --> 2:00:17.880 you can give her something, she'll tell you what's in 2:00:18.000 --> 2:00:21.560 it and oh, buddy, mine this is good clothes, good 2:00:21.600 --> 2:00:25.000 way to close and you know, ben, oh sorry, one more, 2:00:25.280 --> 2:00:29.000 one more thing here. Danny's daughter just had her twelfth 2:00:29.120 --> 2:00:32.240 birthday and her great grandma rolls up to the house 2:00:32.840 --> 2:00:36.120 and you know, like in your standard like birthday bag, 2:00:38.120 --> 2:00:41.840 and Zadie looks inside and she's just like super excited. 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:47.360 Oh my gosh pulls out two mangoes, two mangoes from 2:00:47.400 --> 2:00:50.800 grandma's tree for twelve birthday and she is just like 2:00:52.760 --> 2:00:57.480 was overjoyed. Oh yeah, And I was just like about 2:00:57.520 --> 2:01:00.600 that because my old man he's talking about like growing 2:01:00.680 --> 2:01:04.120 up real poor, and he would say that for Christmas, 2:01:04.280 --> 2:01:07.840 He's like, you would get an apple or an orange, 2:01:09.040 --> 2:01:11.440 and it was a big deal. That's awesome to get 2:01:11.440 --> 2:01:16.280 an apple or in orange, especially in orange in December. 2:01:16.560 --> 2:01:21.280 Not an orange game station and an orange. It was 2:01:21.320 --> 2:01:23.600 a real treat in December. It would be like, my goodness, 2:01:23.720 --> 2:01:26.000 what are they what do they come up with next? 2:01:27.360 --> 2:01:30.200 What was I gonna say, You're really gonna close with something? 2:01:31.800 --> 2:01:33.880 Um that was gonna be really compelling and I'm not 2:01:33.920 --> 2:01:40.840 sure what it was. Right. So he's been on the 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:46.760 show Ben benyon um Uh Texican. He's a land manager, 2:01:46.960 --> 2:01:54.360 commercial hog trapper. He fattens a pig every year from 2:01:54.400 --> 2:01:58.000 the family's table scraps. That's what he fattens it on. 2:01:59.520 --> 2:02:01.400 And we were about what a good idea that was, 2:02:01.520 --> 2:02:03.320 But then we talked about how it would change your 2:02:03.360 --> 2:02:06.960 attitude about waste because your kids would be like you, 2:02:07.080 --> 2:02:09.680 I really got to finish this. And then you'd be like, 2:02:09.760 --> 2:02:11.520 why I could give it to that pig fatting them up, 2:02:11.920 --> 2:02:18.440 and you'd become more permissive. So it's like a dangerous 2:02:18.520 --> 2:02:20.760 area to be in. Man, And I had yeah, I 2:02:20.800 --> 2:02:23.280 had brought up the fact that my mom and stepdad, 2:02:23.680 --> 2:02:29.440 you know, big beef family, their appetites getting keep getting smaller, 2:02:29.680 --> 2:02:32.920 but they're weekly giant steaks stays the same size, and 2:02:33.000 --> 2:02:39.920 the dogs keep getting fatter. All everybody, thanks for joining 2:02:40.960 --> 2:02:44.360 Stay tune, Will Fillion on our on our feral sheep 2:02:44.400 --> 2:02:49.880 hunt hunting livestock in Hawaii, which is fun. Yeah, turning 2:02:49.880 --> 2:02:53.960 to livestock into Yeah, they're pretty wild. I mean they'll 2:02:54.000 --> 2:02:55.920 run from you just like any other animal. Yeah, they're 2:02:55.960 --> 2:03:01.400 definitely man. Yeah, anybody anybody's metaphorical agnols that they figure 2:03:01.440 --> 2:03:05.080 it out? Oh yeah, all right, thanks everybody,