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Speaker 1: dive one and two yeah, safety rescue. All that ship

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Speaker 1: supply warehouse to get my throwing stars on the Dark Lab. Sure,

427
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Speaker 1: I can probably put you on some sort of list.

428
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Speaker 1: H m hmmm. Oh, here's another good one guy wrote

429
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Speaker 1: in on our recent episode, if there's lead in the air,

430
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: there's hoping the heart. Um. We debated a lot of

431
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Speaker 1: feedback on this one. We had on Chris Parrish of

432
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: the Peregrine Fund, and we talked a lot about lead

433
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: ammunition versus copper ammunition, and we talked about lead toxicity, leading,

434
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Speaker 1: the environment, effects on condors, on on and on. It's

435
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: a very good conversation. I thought I was gonna ask

436
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: you what you thought. Old Chris there loved it. I

437
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: thought he did a great job. Yeah, he's a smart fellow.

438
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: I had pointed out my h oh, I'm gonna do

439
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: you don't mind if I demean myself, do you? I

440
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: often talked about how I'm real bad at basic arithmetic.

441
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: That's the um and I said, how would one ever

442
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Speaker 1: figure out, uh, the density if there's one eighteen thousand

443
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: lead pellets per acre? And I made a comment like

444
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: I would never be able to figure out what that

445
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: looked like what I figured it out for us? An

446
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: acre is forty three thousand, five sixty square feet, so

447
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Speaker 1: D eighteen thousand, which is the number of lead pellets

448
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: per acre in some of these areas. They've surveyed. Sean

449
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: brought that up on the Sean's Duck Report. Divided by

450
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: forty three thousand, five hundred sixty comes out too for

451
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: every square foot two point seven, so round up to three. Uh.

452
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: And some of these uh and some of these waterfowl

453
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: hunting areas are talking about they were finding for every

454
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: square foot, look at the tiles on the floor, twelve

455
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: inch tiles, there'll be three pellets laying there. Pretty good

456
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: density pellets. What was the uh the math equation that

457
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: we're talking about, And I said we should mention on

458
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: the podcast so someone we can figure it out. Oh,

459
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: here's a good one. This this, this actually has This

460
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: came about from my conversation about Kimmy. I still don't

461
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: remember having a hard time even saying thoughts anymore because like,

462
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: like knowing Kimmy, you think some meeting, are you gonna

463
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: be like come like bff with Nick Offerman and talk

464
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: about how bad I am. No. I I think that

465
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: we can all be de meaning sometimes. But when you

466
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: just said that you're not, and then you asked what

467
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: my opinion about that was, I just had to say, like,

468
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: I definitely think you can be de meaning, which is fine.

469
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Do you think it's de meaning to call someone de meaning?

470
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: Not if they ask for it, So that's just being

471
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: a friend. I was explaining to Seth how I've become,

472
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: how I have become. My best day black hot fishing

473
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: was my first day black hot fishing, and it's one

474
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: of the few things in life for the more I

475
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: do it, the worst I get. Like you usually expect

476
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: in life, You're trained to expect this sort of like experience,

477
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: right like as experience increases, sort of like you're a

478
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: deptness or you know, yeah, you get better. It's just

479
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: like a like a basic thing that happens in life.

480
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: But with black hot fishing or sable fish fishing, my

481
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: I get worse the more I do it. And I

482
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: was talking about need to get out of my rut

483
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: on sable fish fishing, and I mentioned how your father

484
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: when I asked him why he's so successful fishing black

485
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: hot in Southeast Alaska, he laid out for me his formula.

486
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: You want me to mention it, No, I don't know

487
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: what it is. Well, he uses those little Hawaiian chum

488
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: bags that delivered chum down to ft of water, which

489
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: I bought two of. And then realized in the time

490
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: it took me to order them, I would have made

491
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: some with a needle and thread in a pair of

492
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: blue jeans, but I didn't know. I didn't have one

493
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: of my hands yet. The mucky dog bags like the

494
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: palube you guys were, Paulu means chump. They just call

495
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: it like polou chum bag, but in print in quotes,

496
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: so it's like Hawaiians and and Americans understand it, right,

497
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's a Hawaiian word polu. Yeah,

498
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: I can't mean barf or yeah. So they have it

499
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Speaker 1: described as like a polo and in chum, one of

500
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: them being in parentheses bag. I bought to he did that. Also.

501
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: He mentioned that they will set an anchor in four

502
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: hundred feet of water, yeah, and tie off on that

503
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: so that you're holding a spot and when you're dropping chump,

504
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: you're not drifting away from the chump, and then they

505
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: wait and bring him into him. Yeah. And the theory

506
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: behind that, which I was told is um that the

507
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: younger black card, the smaller black cud. You know, like

508
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fish species are like more frisky, more aggressive,

509
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: more assertive, and sometimes though bigger and fatter you get

510
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: the more slow you are, and so if you're constantly

511
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: drifting or moving, you're always going to be attracting the

512
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: smaller fish, whereas if you stay in one place, it

513
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: um gives the big ones time to move in and

514
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: start biting. You know, when you said how the younger

515
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: ones are friskier and the older ones get a little complaining.

516
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I was gonna say,

517
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I know some people like that,

518
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't sad on that one. Sad on it.

519
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: But I bet the fishing that combo got your wheels

520
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: turning though two right, like, is it inching you towards

521
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: the investment of dropping a semi permanent buoy out there,

522
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: which brings around the math question and seth, I bet

523
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: you've talked about the podcast. Someone to send you a

524
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: very good explanation. You need someone like when you said

525
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: an anchor, you need some amount of scope for tide swing,

526
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: So better describe scope, like, well, you don't really depends

527
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: on how big your weight is. What scope is when

528
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: you go to anchor a boat, scope is the angle

529
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: of the line, meaning let's say you're anchoring a boat

530
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: and one ft of water and you have and you

531
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: have exactly one of rope or let's say a hundred

532
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: one ft a rope, and you lower it down, anchor

533
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: hits the bottom, you're tied it to the boat. You're

534
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: in a hundred feet of water, you have a hundred

535
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: one ft a rope. You have basically zero scope when

536
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the when the boat moves is going to clonk the

537
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: anchor long and it can move for tide or wind

538
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: or both sometimes. And scope is like your angle. So

539
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: the more scope you have, the better your thingle hold

540
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and the less weight it takes to hold the object.

541
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: And sometimes they'll anchor stuff where it's actually a seven

542
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: to one for every foot of depth you have seven

543
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: ft and you can have and that anchor line is

544
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: that at a very shallow angle as it runs through

545
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: the water column, and you just get better grip, especially

546
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: with an admiralty anchor that has those points on it,

547
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: because they dig in. So I was wondering if you

548
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: went out the four feet of water and you're in

549
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: an area with like a twenty five ft tide swing

550
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: and you drop an anchor and tie it to a bootie,

551
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: how much if it's if you know the exact depth, Like,

552
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: let's say the exact depth is four ft of water.

553
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: How much rope do you need? And then when you

554
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: figured that the wind, then the tide is moving that

555
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: thing around. It's actually imagine it throughout the course of

556
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: a day, it's gonna make like a conical shape. So

557
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: at any given time, how big is the diameter? What

558
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: sort of diameter are you swinging above the fixed point

559
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: of the anchor, so that if you drop chum down,

560
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: are you swinging a circle of like a hundred yard diameter?

561
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Why was Dick from been listening to the podcast Are

562
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: you swinging? Are you swinging a thousand yard? Yeah? Like,

563
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: how over the anchor? Are you? Yes? Like? Is it

564
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: is it really beneficial to have that fixed point if

565
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you can't actually ever get to that fixed point because

566
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: of tides, winds, scope? And then to go back to

567
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: the mechanical conversation, and keep in mind this all was

568
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: brought up while we were standing line to like load

569
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: the plane on the way over here to Hawaii. Um,

570
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: what type of rope do you need? Or line? Do

571
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: you know? I was talking about buying some real shitty

572
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: rope and Cal pointed out, if you can go through

573
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: all the hassle to set an anchor in four ft

574
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: of water? Why would it be shitty rope? Don't you

575
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: want it to be there the next day? What would

576
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: inevitably be a whole day to make this happen? And

577
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: there's an added wrinkle. I don't want to name names,

578
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: but I knew a person who set a chum bag

579
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: and threet of water, and he was under the impression

580
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: it was he was it was illegal to do it,

581
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: so he stapled his. He he stapled his to a

582
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: drift log, which cal pointed out is like one benefit

583
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: of a buoy as others can see it and when

584
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: you hit it, it's soft. So this is not naming names.

585
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Stable his to a drift log, so that the innocent

586
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: passer by would just think it was a saggy drift

587
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: log sitting barely above the surface. Uh. And then when

588
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: he would anytime he went crabbing, anytime he went shrimping,

589
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: anytime he cleaned fish, he would put it in a

590
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: biodegradable burlap sack. Put a rock in that sack, tie

591
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: it off to the line, and Davy Crockett's locker, What's

592
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: who's that guy? Jones? Locker right down to the bottom.

593
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: It's probably got a nice little pile of rocks down there.

594
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: He's got a little reef and it's full of chump

595
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Crockett ever see the ocean. That's a good that's a

596
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: good question. I'll after look like that's a question for

597
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: Clay or Buddy Levy. So the whole thing on Crockett

598
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: did Jill the Crockett and Crockett's day as a politician,

599
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: as a congressman, there was two congressmen that got you know,

600
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: you fight like Trump and Hillary. Right, it's tense. Well,

601
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: these two political figures, Crockett's peers, these two political figures,

602
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: it got like the debates got so intense and personal

603
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: that at the end of the election they challenged they

604
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: had they agreed to have a duel, but duels were

605
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: illegal in the state where they lived. So they traveled

606
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: together to another state where it was legal to have

607
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: a duel, where the guy that won the election then

608
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: shot and killed the loser, and people on top about

609
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: how politics is nasty nowadays. Wait, so it wasn't a

610
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: proper duel. It was whoever lost, you got shot, no

611
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: matter what. No, they did the election, so be like

612
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Trump and Hillary fight, fight, fight, say passed after where

613
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Trump wins Hillary loses. They then go to another country

614
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: where it's legal. They go to like Afghanistan where it's

615
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: legal to duel. Trump kills Clinton in the duel and

616
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: then comes home and resumes his position. That was Crockett's

617
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: political era. But people talk about how politics has gotten

618
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: too nasty. Yeah, and what was I saying? No, Davy

619
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Jones locker and we want to get to the ask

620
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: of please write oh and and then and then I

621
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: said this to my brother Danny. I said, but it's

622
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: illegal to set a buoy? And Danny says, is it?

623
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: I feel that we think it's illegal to set a

624
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: boy because of the person with the drift log told

625
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: us that. But they told us a lot of stuff.

626
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: The person with the drift log and the salvage business.

627
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: That's a joke. So it's a whole pile of questions

628
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: like can you go out to your favorite spot and

629
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: set at booi in four ft of water in the

630
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: state of Alaska and then leave it there indefinitely? And

631
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: can how much rope? And what's the diameter of your

632
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: circle at the top when you're tied off to it?

633
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: And what type of rope. Yeah, because it's not something

634
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you want to go re redo every year. And then

635
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: if they do right, and then if they could throw

636
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: this into like do they fill it out into meaning

637
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: I was working on especially when you turned on me. There, man,

638
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I did not turn on you. You asked me my opinion.

639
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: I was working on the Anchor's good for everyone to

640
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: have opinions, just at the right time. Work on your timing.

641
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: I was working on the anchor system. The next old

642
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: refrigerator or freezer, after you drain all the nasty stuff

643
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: out of it, burn all the stuff out of it. Um,

644
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could just throw that thing in

645
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: the boat, go out there with some quick dry cement,

646
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: and have that be your anchor. I got the anchor

647
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: of all anchors for this purpose. I got the fridge

648
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: for you. The thing you guys got to think about

649
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: is how you're getting this anchor off the boat? Well,

650
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: because that sucker is heavy. Here's the other question I got. Well, no,

651
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I got like, I have an actual anchor that I

652
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: want to use for this right now. It's anchor my

653
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: dock and play some one end. But I can replace

654
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: that with a rock. Um. Yeah. The other thing is

655
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: If you let out fot of line that's spooled in

656
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the bottle of the boat and it gets tangled halfway down,

657
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: you are not happy. So I might run it off

658
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a spools, run a broomstick through a spool. You take

659
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: your float, right, you got this all calculated out. You

660
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: got the exact amount of rope. You float that float,

661
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: and you let all that rope out, and you got

662
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: your anchor, and you go over your spot and the's

663
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: some bitch is so heavy, it's just gonna drag that. Yeah.

664
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: Or you or you take an old skiff that you

665
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: don't want anymore and tie that to it, tow it

666
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: out there with the anchor in the rope coiled nicely

667
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: in it, start piling rocks in it, and then you

668
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: sink that skiff with the anchor, and then at that

669
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: thing is gonna be so many miles away from the

670
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: bull's eye by the time it hits That's true. You

671
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: have to pick a day with little cur There's guys

672
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: that were for the coolest guard that just set anchors. Yeah.

673
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Part of what's got this time my mind is here

674
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: we we went by bullies. Here there are in thousands

675
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: and thousands of feet of water. Yeah, you talk to

676
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: that somethingit not to demean him. Yeah. And then when

677
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: you guys are fishing these bullies, you know, I know

678
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: when we fish bullies here, the current is usually going

679
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: one way, so you're kind of on that bully and

680
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: you're kind of fishing it one direction for hours. Um,

681
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like you're asking about, like that

682
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: wind and the tide and the current everything. I wonder

683
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: how often it's switching. Um, if it's switching, you know,

684
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: every hour or whatever. If you can fish it's solid

685
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours where it's going one direction

686
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and you don't really have to worry about Yeah, I

687
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: don't have a swing, so it's kind of hard to find.

688
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: But as long as you know where the anchor point is,

689
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: you know where the current's going, you can usually find

690
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: that bully to where it's at, and then you fish

691
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: it for those couple hours while the currents, let's say,

692
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: headed south. Then you're just fishing it while it's headed

693
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: south for that day. You're still dropping down your like

694
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: palau bag. So it doesn't really matter like per day

695
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: you'd fish it, you know, if it's heading north the

696
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: next day, you'd be fishing at where it's heading north.

697
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: And oh, we gotta get back on track because this

698
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: all came about with math problems. So the guy wrote

699
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: in about the math, the math around how much lead,

700
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: like how much lead shot is out on the landscape

701
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: in certain places. Now we got two more things. Um

702
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: A doctor wrote and all fired up that I was,

703
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: uh that I was not taking lead poisoning seriously enough.

704
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I disagree. I was pointing out. I pointed out only

705
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: that he wasn't listening carefully. He's like, no lead is good.

706
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: That's why lead is like zero, Like zero is how

707
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: much lead you should strive for in life. You say

708
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: no lead is good. I was. I was pointing out

709
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: that no one has found elevated lead levels in hunters,

710
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: elevated relative to their peers who are not consuming wild game.

711
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: And I pointed out that when they did this thing

712
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: where they went to like North Dakota and found lifelong

713
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: consumers of wild game killed with lead shot and took

714
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: their lead levels, their lead levels were lower than non

715
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: hunters who live in urban environments, who are getting lead

716
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: from soils contaminated by leading, you know, from all those

717
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: years of leaded gasoline, lead paint no, not industrial lead pollution.

718
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I was never saying that I think lead is good

719
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: to eat. I was just saying, no one has shown

720
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: a a and like people act like it's there, but

721
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it's like if it's there, sent it to me. No

722
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: one has shown. No one has definitively shown and not

723
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: even defensively. No one's kind of demonstrated it. Hunters are

724
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: suffering from increased lead levels due to the consumption of

725
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: wild game. It's just it's see what you want about lead.

726
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: That's not a thing. And uh, he did say warmer

727
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: guards and and I imagine you can demonstrate to folks

728
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: that you're serious about lead because you probably, like myself

729
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: as a youth, I used to pack some lead shot

730
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: in your lip while you were re rigging your rods

731
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you probably, like myself, have

732
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: quit doing that. Yeah, I keep I would keep my

733
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: split shot fishing. I'd keep some split shot over on

734
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: this side of my cheek and gum, and I'd keep

735
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: my maggots on this bit of my cheek and gum,

736
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: just like everybody. And like we're talking about sat Day

737
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: steel head fishing, because you're like, you get to one hole,

738
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: it's deeper the other hole. Not you just keep a

739
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: couple in your cheek and gum for just so you

740
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: can very quickly like rig for where you're at. Not

741
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: only that, we used to go down we had a

742
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: gun range two miles from our house. We'd ride our

743
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: bikes down to the gun range, put the flag out

744
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: and take a sifter and go sift the burm. For

745
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: non gun range users, typically there's some sort of a

746
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: signal that says folks are down range, which means do

747
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: not shoot right there. Typically down there changing targets, you know.

748
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: But the Ronello boys would put the flag out saying

749
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: do not shoot. We're gonna go because we're sifting the berm.

750
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: We would sift the burn for bullet lead, go home,

751
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: melt the lead in the garage because my dad had

752
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: gotten this all the stuff to pour, and we would

753
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: pour sinkers. And I'm telling you, man, the thing about

754
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: those homemade sinkers made with bullet lead is there's like

755
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: alloys and that stuff, and like you go to the

756
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: store and buy you go to the sporting store and

757
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: by lead and you go to bite it. It's nice

758
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: and soft. In fact, your tooth leaves and mark when

759
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: you bite that lead onto the line, our homemade sinkers,

760
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: when you bit that lead out of the line, you'd

761
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: hear your tea crumble a little bit and you couldn't

762
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: dent that ship. It's like and they didn't seem to

763
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: be as heavy. It's like kind of a weird deal,

764
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: like homemade sinkers. But I would never let my kids

765
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: do that. My brother Danny had a film jar full

766
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: of mercury that we would get out and play with

767
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: that he'd collect. Anytime he run across the thermometer, he'd

768
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: get the mercury out and we would like play with

769
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: Danny's mercury. So like like, I'm not in any way

770
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: like I I never wanted it to be that. I'm

771
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: like downplaying. I'm just saying, you know, I don't I

772
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me. I don't let my kids do stupid

773
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: stuff that we didn't. We we we just doupid stuff because

774
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: people weren't really aware. My ole man when he was

775
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: in the army, they would give you cigarettes in your

776
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: sea rations. It's like, you know, over time, right, you

777
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: learned things over time. Here's another guy wrote about the

778
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: lead thing. Now, this guy brings up a very valid point,

779
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: cal I need you to be present for this. Oh,

780
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: and doing this to him when you think abou something? Okay.

781
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: To Offerman's point, if is it even possible to bully

782
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: a dead man? Well, there's that famous sign like don't

783
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: speak ill of the dead, but that that's speaking ill

784
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: of the dead. Can you bully the dead man? No? No,

785
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: I feel like because they're not alive, you're certainly not

786
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: going to give him a wedge in his dry pelvis phone.

787
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's really got my head's tearing me up, dude,

788
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: final bit of led thing, and this is a bad one.

789
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: This is a tough one. He goes to point out

790
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: all this talk about everyone in the hunting and fishing

791
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: communities switching over to copper lead so bad. You know what,

792
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: Let me give you a fact that would have given

793
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: him a lot of ammunition. But I don't know if

794
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: he's aware of it. If I was this guy right

795
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: in this letter not to demean him, I would have

796
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: concluded how lead ammo is almost exclusively So we toured

797
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: the federal AMMO factory. Guess where all the Federals lead

798
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: comes from? Recycled car batteries. They're lead comes from recycled

799
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: car batteries. That's like a little known fact. You go

800
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: to the Federal plant. It's like all of that lead

801
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: that they're producing an ammunition is not coming out of

802
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: the ground, it's post use coming out of car batteries. Yeah,

803
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: it's something like ninety high ninety percentage recycle, which is

804
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot because like a car battery three to five years.

805
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: And it's funny because they don't have when you buy AMMO.

806
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: They don't like like when you buy AMMO from Federal,

807
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: it's not like they're like made from recycled materials. It's

808
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: like no one even knows this. That's where all that

809
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: lead comes from. And then and that's a as we

810
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: are driven boy, A good good word usage here, so

811
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: far as we were driven into the battery age right now,

812
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: that's something that was a big topic of conversation. But

813
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, isn't is okay, Well, where's the

814
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: copper coming from? That's what I'm getting to, he says,

815
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: So in the sport, you know, like non toxic split

816
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: shot for fishing, right, and he goes. But every time

817
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: there's a big mind that comes up, who's the first

818
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: people to bitch about it? Hunters and anglers. He doesn't

819
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: say it by name, but he's probably speaking to the

820
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: pebble mine and the headwaters of Bristol Bay right copper

821
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: and gold or boundary boundary waters, copper head, copper sulfide mine.

822
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: And we're like, no, no, no, no, no, well that

823
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: is bad and shoot copper. But tell you what, when

824
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: we crossed the border into Mexico, what's sitting right on

825
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: the US Mexico border in Sonora? I don't know copper minds.

826
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: All that loud banging and mix explosions and stuff that

827
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: you hear, those are all copper minds. And as our

828
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: buddy Beaeto put it, said, Beato, what are they minding

829
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: over there? He said, copper for batteries for you? He says,

830
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: how could this is the person that the gentleman that

831
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: wrote in very well worded email. How can we possibly

832
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: maintain any sort of consistency or credibility if we simultaneously

833
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: took the stance of no new copper minds. Where I

834
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: like to hunt and fish and everyone please use copper,

835
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: I suggest if we cannot do both, at least's current

836
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: bullet development technology Stands goes on to say seckle. A

837
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: second and equally important issue, he said, it always gets brushed,

838
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: deside or ignored is the cost. The fact of the

839
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: matter has most led alternative ammunition copper included as expensive.

840
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: If demands suddenly jumped, it would become scarce and as

841
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: a result, even more expensive. What would we accomplish, then,

842
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: is to effectively sideline masses of hunters who either couldn't

843
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: find or couldn't afford enough ammunition to site in two

844
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: or three rifles and have ammunition for their hunts. And

845
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: he pulls as a hypothetical three hunter household. One of

846
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: the things that helped us get through a lead a

847
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: switch from lead with non toxic shot for waterfowl as

848
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: we went to steal. Steel is abundant and still relatively cheap.

849
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: It was attainable for your average hunter, not the case

850
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: of copper. He points out. You're driving more of a

851
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: situation where you have the haves go hunt the have nots, don't.

852
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: He says, he still loves the show. I mean it's

853
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: all it's all all great points, um, I don't the

854
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: absolutism of uh. I think it's taken a little aggressively.

855
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: But he was being absolutist you are driving. It's like, well, no,

856
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: we uh had a good conversation on this very debatable

857
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: topic of copper versus lead, and many of us have

858
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: switched over to copper. But there's I don't believe anybody

859
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: saying you must shoot this. I feel like I'm sort

860
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: of fence sitting on the whole thing. Well, I love

861
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: it for for me, it's it's the raptor thing, Like

862
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: I do. I have a soft heart when it comes

863
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: to that, Like I'm like, oh yeah, if I can

864
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: mitigate killing more animals like that, I don't. I don't

865
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: want to buy catch dead animals that I don't get

866
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: a consume that are dying from secondary lead poisoning by

867
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: shooting a copper bullet. That that works for me. Um yeah,

868
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, you when you say I get it out,

869
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: you're saying you're making a consumer choice. Yes, exactly. And

870
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of like what the guests Chris Parrish. Chris

871
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: Parrish was saying. He never came in and said I

872
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: think they should outlaw X, Y and Z. Right now,

873
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: you're saying, as a consumer, make choices all time, and

874
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: there's a I mean, you can still California is just

875
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: like the weird outlier example, because they you know, at

876
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: recreational ranges, authorized ranges, lead lead is still legal for

877
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: recreational shooting at authorized ranges. I don't know that I

878
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: believe um. But in every other stay, you know, you

879
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: you're still go shoot recreational lead at your recreational range

880
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: where it can then be recycled into more lead bullets,

881
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: which is what all those ranges do. You know, periodically

882
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: they harvest their burms and and are able to sell

883
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: it um, which is part to those those places business

884
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: plan um. And then you know, when it comes time

885
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: to hunt, you can make that consumer choice of shooting

886
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: a copper bullet, a handful of copper bullets to make

887
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: sure you're zero, and then your your copper bullets for

888
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: for the actual hunt. You know, when you get into

889
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: the alternatives for shotgun shooting, uh, you're you can spend

890
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: some you can spend a hell of a lot more

891
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: money shooting business. Then then you're gonna shoot copper bullets

892
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: even if you're doing a lot of big game hunting

893
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: during the year. But steals still the very effective and

894
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: less expensive alternative, toxic alternative. Okay, Danny, I'll set it

895
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: up like this. I had because I've driven a lot

896
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: of jankie vehicles, right, and somebody at a parking lot

897
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: came up to me and was harassing me about how

898
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: much oil my vehicles leaking, and I just you know,

899
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not. I wasn't gonna make confrontation

900
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: with him. I was like, yeah, okay, you know, no

901
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: big deal, I gotta fix out. But the same with

902
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: the lead, right, Like worst lead come from comes from

903
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: the earth, right, and so there the same with oil

904
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: overs putting it back. You know, obviously I'm not dumping

905
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: oil all over. Come on, you're not putting it back

906
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: into the earth and putting it back, Like what's your

907
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: And that start as to say, what's your take on that? Like,

908
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: so obviously I'm not dumping oil all over, right, but

909
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: you get a good watch that slick start to form,

910
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: So obviously that goes like that's bad, right, that just

911
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: goes right to our water source. Um. But like with

912
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: the lead, I was thinking about the lead, it comes

913
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: from the earth. Obviously there's there's issues when it's getting

914
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: processed or whatever. Maybe they're melting it down to make

915
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: these babs. Yeah, there's that effect. But as far as

916
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: just taking lead and putting it back. So about to

917
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: take rattle snake poison and just put it all over

918
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: your food? Am I putting it back into the earth? Yeah,

919
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, good point. I'm just you know, no, I mean,

920
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: i mean, I'm sorry venom. Yeah, I mean they're making

921
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: it sound like, you know, lead or arsenic. If I

922
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: put arsenic all over your food, put them back in

923
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: the earth, you know. So I think I think it's

924
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: an appropriate line of thinking. Um, it's just, uh, these

925
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: things came from places in the earth that probably were

926
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily meant to come to the surface, not on

927
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: your food. They were in the earth, but not on

928
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: your food. Just thrown it out Like that's a good point, definite. Uh,

929
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: Remember how I was saying. I'm like, I'm um, I've

930
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: been accused of being like a lead apologist, and I've

931
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: been accused of being anti lead, But I'm like very

932
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: much like just kind of like exploring the whole area, right,

933
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm exploring it. Another one that I can't that people

934
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: keep writing in about but I can't formulate an opinion on.

935
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna hit you with it. Kel my home state,

936
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: there's there's a Yeah, there's a Michigan National Guard in

937
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: the Michigan's Upper Peninsula. They're looking to double the size

938
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: of UH Camp Grayling, a military base, and to double

939
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: it they need to like annex a bunch of state

940
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: owned land that's currently open to public hunting and fishing.

941
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: People in the up who are losing their you know,

942
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: long time man who would stand to lose their long

943
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: time sort of like ancestral hunting and fishing grounds are pissed.

944
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna happens. If it happens to lose accident, they will.

945
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: I think it's very safe to say they will lose

946
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: a certain an amount of access. And and I struggle

947
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: with being Um, I struggle with this one. Then I'll

948
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: tell you the two reasons why I struggle with it. Uh.

949
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm generally uh not generally, I'm like very supportive. I like,

950
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: I like to live in a country with a very

951
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: strong military. Okay, I'm very like. I'm not hawkish, like

952
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to go in vade countries for no reason,

953
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: but I'm like hawkish in that I I like want

954
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: and support a powerful military. So there's that, right, And

955
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: there's the other one that I don't think it would

956
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: leave to Like, if this was a how a giant

957
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: housing project, it leads to loss of habitat. But what

958
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: they're talking about isn't leading to like a net loss

959
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: of habitat. They want to use it for training and

960
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: stuff in an area where it's not like they're not

961
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: like destroying the ground from from a habitat perspect Yeah,

962
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: so it's hard to make an opinion about it. Yeah,

963
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: if it were a giant you know megamoguls housing development,

964
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I would be irate. I would be like because they're

965
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: now it's like gone and and we'll never come back.

966
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: But here it's like it's still like for future generations,

967
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: that patch of ground is still gonna be there functioning

968
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: as an ecosystem. It's still in play, just not open

969
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 1: as good. Well that's not true, right, you are going

970
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: to lose some access. Um And in this it's a

971
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: perfect conversation point to go with the lead. You know, well,

972
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: but it's recycled type of thing, because it's like you

973
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too. Um, you want

974
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: a big, strong military, but you don't want the military

975
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: terry to have all the space to train. Um And

976
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: I truly don't know the ins and outs of what

977
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: they actually need versus how much they're annexing and all

978
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: that stuff. But they do need a lot of space,

979
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: and they're only closing it because they're only closing it

980
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: when they need it for training. So no one knows

981
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: how much that will be. And game management still stays

982
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: under Michigan DNR. Yes. And if you look at other

983
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: military bases where the public is allowed to hunt, um,

984
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those examples with lots of big

985
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, big deer, turkeys, bears, all that fun stuff, um,

986
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: And and life kind of goes on, but it's not

987
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: going to go on in the same way that you

988
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: haven't now right. It's there's, um, you know, lots of

989
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: examples of like, oh it's a surprise training day, we

990
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: gotta shut the whole base down, and folks are traveling

991
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: from out of state and tent on hunting where they've

992
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: always hunted, and you know it's like, um, the Griswold

993
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: family vacation. Sorry, folks, parks closed. How do you how

994
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: do you close the entire state of California? Um. So, yeah,

995
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: it's a tricky situation. Um, if there were happening in Montana.

996
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: I would not want it to happen because I'm like, well,

997
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't to lose any weekends, right, And it's it's

998
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of a not in my backyard type of thing.

999
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: State of hy He's got a lot of a lot

1000
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: of history with the military there is, Yeah, and a

1001
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: lot of the land is owned by military. Yeah. Yeah.

1002
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: The first time we came out here to hunt, we

1003
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: gotta hunt on this really cool place on Maui and

1004
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: guys just a big rancher, cattle rancher, and uh, you're

1005
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: walking around all there's shell fragments and and uh fifty

1006
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: caliber case sings all over the place, big chunks a

1007
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: lead laying out there. And then the first day the

1008
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: rancher was like, well, yeah, did you see the crash

1009
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: plane out there too? It's like no. But then the

1010
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: second day there here's this giant engine laying out in

1011
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: the middle of this this field that we came through,

1012
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: and chunks of plane pirates and all this stuff, and

1013
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: and he could tell there's more to his story about

1014
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: how he felt about all that, but it was not good.

1015
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: It's like the U. S. Military just comes over here,

1016
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: just blows the crap out of our islands. Yeah, I mean,

1017
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, times changed too. In the up thing for

1018
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: you folks in the up writing us about this too. Uh,

1019
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: they're describing what they're gonna be doing is low impact exercises, right,

1020
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: and and it is interesting because they need like cyber

1021
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: warfare is one of the reasons for the expansion, and

1022
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: apparently they need like a big buffer uh from civilization

1023
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: to run whatever it is they do with cyber warfare um,

1024
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: which ideally doesn't sound like super impactful to the wildlife, habitat, environment,

1025
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: et cetera. Uh, And hopefully it won't be closed down

1026
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: too much during hunting season if if it does in

1027
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: fact happen. The other rub is that it's not like

1028
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: a standard lease with the state, so there's no lease

1029
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: fee that's coming from the government to the state lands,

1030
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: which I thought was was interesting Celtic subject matter XT.

1031
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: What you guys as bet Danny and Kenny, what you

1032
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: guys as best equipped to tell the story of the

1033
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: person that unless you don't want to the person that

1034
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: lost their life in the harbor here from a swordfish,

1035
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: you probably know it better. Danny, Yeah, I know is

1036
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: uh not as nephew but cousin or I don't know

1037
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: how they're that. It's a big family. Um. From my understanding,

1038
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: a swordfish swam into the to the harbor, and we

1039
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: get that like you know, paddling down at Kaho or whatever,

1040
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: you'd see Marlin's come into the harbor down there randomly,

1041
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: or there'd be big ah he I don't know, they

1042
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: just lose their way or get curious. Either way, swordfish

1043
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: finds its way into the harbor. From my understanding, they've

1044
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: seen it from the surface and they're like, hey right there,

1045
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: like what look at this? How rare is that? I'm

1046
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna get in there? And I'm a spirit, So you

1047
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: got a spirit gone out spirit it. And you know,

1048
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: from my understanding, you know how you have your shoot

1049
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: line and it spears the fish, and that shoot lines

1050
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: attached to either a float line or to his gun. Well,

1051
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: he that thing went and wrapped around a worn bowl.

1052
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: So then that thing was stuck around a worn bowl

1053
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: and just swimming there, and you're thinking like, oh man,

1054
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna rip off, or I gotta get in there

1055
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: and I gotta kill it. So while he was getting

1056
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: in there to try and get it, the thing poked him,

1057
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: or he shouldn't have poked him, big powerful fish with

1058
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: a sword on its face. And I don't know if

1059
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: you've seen those, like broad Bill, the swordfish, they're real

1060
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: flat bill, not like the marlin bill. We were talking, Yeah,

1061
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: it's super show are and uh he got poked in

1062
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: the chest and and I was out, so just in

1063
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: the in the in the excitement of probably trying to

1064
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: get that fish. And I think we all kind of

1065
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: get into that state too, of like when something like

1066
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: that happening, you're not You're just trying to go off

1067
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: instinct and just like there's a lot going on, and

1068
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: he probably just thought he had it, He's gonna make

1069
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: it happen. Um. But yeah, it's sad. I bring that

1070
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: up because we were looking at a story. Um this

1071
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: is covered by the Guardian, which is funny because it's

1072
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: a European rag that loves American wildlife attack stories. But

1073
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: a woman uh in Florida was recently gored by a

1074
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: hundred pounds sail fish. They had on they were fighting

1075
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: the fish. Fish charged the boat. She's standing by the

1076
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: She standing up by the wheel in the wheelhouse, by

1077
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: the wheelhouse, fish charged the boat, jump throut of the

1078
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: water and paled her she survived them. Oh, I mean

1079
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: I could see that. Like you when we saw that

1080
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: marlin get hooked up next to Jonah's boat. You've seen

1081
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: how that thing was on the surface like that. That's

1082
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: how they are when you bring them up to the

1083
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: boat too, and they're jumping right next to the boat.

1084
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch of video of them. I've had

1085
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: them jump next to the boat. Never turned towards the boat.

1086
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: But it's very nerve racking when you got one that's

1087
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 1: we call it green, but still a lot of life

1088
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: left in it. You know how it is leadering those

1089
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: fish where here you are, this marlin's got its bill

1090
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: facing you, you know, coming in towards you, and you're

1091
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: leader and the business and you're trying to get it

1092
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: closer and closer, and you're trying to bring that head

1093
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: up where you can get a gaff in it or

1094
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: unhooked it, whatever you're doing with it. And um, if

1095
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: they want, they just give it that little bit of

1096
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: a you know, shake with their tail and they're out

1097
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: of the water like that. You know, I've seen video

1098
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: of it, so um, it could be exciting. Yeah, and

1099
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: they got that pokey thing. I mean you've seen that.

1100
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: I guess that marlin bill too has a bunch of

1101
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: bacteria on it. Except heard like you get you get

1102
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: poked by wine. You better get that thing cleaned out. Yeah,

1103
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: those marlin bills are impressive even dry it out state.

1104
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: I was saying that the most time you take like

1105
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: a fish part and dry it all out, like loses

1106
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: its integrity. Do I mean everything gets like crumbly and

1107
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: they kind of decay, But that thing is still like

1108
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: you could you could kill somebody that thing, well, they

1109
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: made weapons out of it, the Hawiians. Steve, would you

1110
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: add that scar from a bill fish to your list

1111
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: of bodily attributes that you want to acquire? Not top mine? No, no,

1112
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: not like sharp white and grizzy mulin um sixty eight

1113
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: miles like reputed to be the fastest fish in the ocean,

1114
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: which I thought was the short finn mako. But they're

1115
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: saying these suckers can go sixty eight miles per hour sailfish.

1116
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: They got that big sale too, and they just flip

1117
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: that thing up and they can parachute them around and

1118
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: stop on a dime. That it was funny read about

1119
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: that that injury and the injury you're talking about as

1120
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: we have coming up here. We have an expert ah

1121
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: who's an expert archaeologist who studies the Coronado expedition. So

1122
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: Coronado was a Spanish conquisador and he had this crazy

1123
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: ass adventure where they left New Spain. So they left

1124
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Mexico and this is in fifty and Coronado made it

1125
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: all the way up into Kansas in so he made

1126
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: it all up all the way up into the Great

1127
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: Plains of Kansas, and it was funny. Is if you

1128
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: separate Here's here's one of the main things I think

1129
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: about interesting about Coronado. The distance that separates Coronado's visit

1130
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: to Kansas from Lewis and Clark's visit to the Great

1131
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: Plains is the amount of time that separates us sitting

1132
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: here right now from the French and Indian War. Crazy.

1133
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: You're like European history in the in the interior of

1134
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: the country runs deep forty uh So, to bone up

1135
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: for this guest we're having on, I'm reading the book

1136
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: about Coronado and like the random ways people die. There's

1137
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: like one of his lieutenants, one of his officers, they

1138
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: had some sheep with them and they had a dog.

1139
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: They had a greyhound with him. For some reason, the

1140
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: greyhound chase of the sheep one day and the guys

1141
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: pissed at the greyhound for crass and the sheep all

1142
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: the time. And he rides after it on his horse

1143
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: and throws a lance scare the dog off. Okay, the

1144
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: lance sticks in the ground, The horse runs, and the

1145
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: handle of the lance enters his groin and punctures is

1146
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: bladder and he dies some days later. Holy smokes. You know.

1147
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: I was at a thought as to we always like

1148
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: to think back on on these times of like, oh God,

1149
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: how crazy would it have been to be on that trip,

1150
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: like all the unknowns and stuff. But I bet at

1151
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: that time they'd be just like us, being like, oh

1152
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: we have we have GPS, we have a track, we

1153
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: have all this stuff. And at that time they were like,

1154
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: we have a sex stent, we have a map, like

1155
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: we have the best technology out there. We're we're better

1156
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,480
Speaker 1: than anybody in the past has ever been. Like high confidence.

1157
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: Well get into this. There's a guy. There's a Native

1158
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: American who celebrated among his people for having led the

1159
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: Coronado Expedition on a wild goose chase where he said,

1160
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: oh no, man, there's this amazing like city of gold

1161
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: and led them away from where they were harassing his people.

1162
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: This is one telling we're getting it all this way

1163
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: at the Coronado ex the Cornado expert on when Coronado

1164
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: gets up in the Kansas and they're like, this guy

1165
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: is full of it. The execute him for having fed

1166
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: him false information. Uh, it's just like, here's the other

1167
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about the Coronado expedition, Like if you

1168
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: want to get a sense of like where they're at mentally,

1169
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: one of the guys on the expedition has a dream

1170
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: in which he kills his commander. He has he dreams

1171
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: that he kills Coronado and Mary's Coronado, his wife. He

1172
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: comes and confesses to Coronado that he had this dream.

1173
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: Coronado doesn't punish him, but he's not allowed to continue

1174
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: on the expedition because they need to protect the mission.

1175
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: I like, I like, I like, it's just so like

1176
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Well, how about the mental

1177
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: state too. It's like, yeah, we're an invading army, We're

1178
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: stealing from your people, We're giving you communicable diseases. This

1179
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: isn't pleasant, but how dare you lie to us? Yeah,

1180
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: well no, because they're in their take their take on

1181
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: it was this. They were baffled when people didn't go

1182
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: along with the program. Their take on it is your

1183
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: worries are over. They're kind of like the mob when

1184
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: when he would approach tribe, like, your worries are over. Um,

1185
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: you now live under the jurisdiction of Spain. But no

1186
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: one will ever mess with you ever again. And it's

1187
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: not taking it's take it or leave. It's like again

1188
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: and if you don't agree, we will mess with you.

1189
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: But that's the selling point. Your your concerns are over.

1190
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: In order for you to say thank you, we'd like

1191
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: you to do x Y and I'm here to bestow

1192
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: upon you a great gift. Oh you gotta become Christians. Yeah,

1193
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: here's the deal. No one will ever mess with you again.

1194
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: Any enemies you have, forget that they exist. You become Christian,

1195
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: Your problems are through. And they'd be like, why would

1196
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: these people not get on board? Like, look, we're giving

1197
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: them more to come. This is fascinating man. And they

1198
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: did it all in a bronze hat. That's such like. Uh,

1199
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: The Fishing Guide writes in I always wanted to become

1200
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: a fishing guide. Becomes a fishing guide. He's he guides

1201
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: alligator gar in Houston, Texas, but he has a problem

1202
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: of finding dead bodies. They recently found two. He found

1203
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,879
Speaker 1: one and his buddy found one. Uh. Dead bodies bound

1204
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 1: up inside recycling bins, dumped in off dumped in the marsh.

1205
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: He contacts the police to be like, dude, this is

1206
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of stressing me out, and they tell him I

1207
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry about it. It It seems like they were killed

1208
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: somewhere else and just dumped there. That's almost like a

1209
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: modern art type of thing. He's like, where do I

1210
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: draw the line? Put it? Put a body inside a

1211
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: recycling man? You have? But here's the thing. If what

1212
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: if you come across this guy dumping these recycling bands,

1213
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: what he's getting there exactly? Like now, I don't want

1214
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: to quit. This has always been my dream, but like,

1215
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: how do you like it's hard to work in this environment?

1216
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: And he cites a bunch of other like just the

1217
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: proximity to cry him when you're guarding there. Last one

1218
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: I was talking about. We we were talking about the carp,

1219
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: the um asiatic carp species that have joined the European

1220
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: invasive carp in certain watersheds. So you we've always said

1221
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: we've had common carp here since all over one of

1222
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: the primary I don't know, do you guys have Do

1223
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: you guys have common carp in your waterways in Hawaiian

1224
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: not really Okay, nuded as Alaska. Uh, it's one of

1225
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: the top invasive species in the country as common carp

1226
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: and then in recent decades it's been going on forever.

1227
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: Now big head silver, what else? Yeah, that's the silver

1228
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: is like the Asian carp but the right they are, Yeah,

1229
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: but they're two different species. They these are like like

1230
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: a plankton feeding largely orbivorous carp species. Is they brought

1231
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: him into the country to clean aquaculture facilities, so they'd

1232
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: use them at calfish farms and they turn his carp

1233
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: out and these carpe living there and they sucked the

1234
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: algae and stuff up and help. But then with flooding

1235
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: they all get into the river system. Analysis yea, the

1236
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: whole ecological disaster. We covered that and I shared what

1237
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: I shared the sentiment of a biologist who said to me,

1238
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't see a way out of this if it's

1239
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: not a biological if it's not a disease solution, but

1240
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: there seems to be limited appetite for introducing a virus

1241
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: where they've been able to eradicate fish species and like

1242
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: connected bodies of water. It's typically like a three pronged

1243
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:50,480
Speaker 1: approach where they use some mechanical deterrence against the species

1244
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: during their their spawning season, so they prevent them from

1245
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: going to where they need to go to spawn. You know,

1246
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: they're preferred spawning areas, um than they use uh poison

1247
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: and then other like yeah um, but the social tolerances

1248
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: for all this stuff are pretty low. And then you

1249
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: know there's also like significant like by catch, and then

1250
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: in these areas that are like super when you wrote

1251
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: on a water system, everybody dies. Yeah, but they'll now

1252
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: then do it. It's like, um, what was that that

1253
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: thing in Vietnam? You gotta burn burn the village to

1254
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: save it. They'll remember, like they've had breakouts of non

1255
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: natives and they're like this three miles of the river

1256
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: is getting cooked, and kill everything in a stretch of

1257
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: river just to get the culprit right, trusting that it

1258
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: will recover over time, you know yeah yeah, um, so yeah,

1259
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 1: it's and and there's the other mechanicals like traps, gill nets,

1260
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but it's uh and then wrote known

1261
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: is obviously like a water soluble um god South American

1262
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: root um. And so they have a bunch of models

1263
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: as to how much they can put in and then

1264
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 1: at what stages throughout the water column or river system

1265
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: that it will dissipate for to be like non lethal,

1266
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: because I think at a certain point like fish can recover,

1267
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: but it's it's suffocates fish, right, Isn't that how it works? Yeah?

1268
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: Did you see where me and Yanni went with those

1269
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: um those dudes that use the different route. I can't

1270
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,520
Speaker 1: read the word they used for its sound like tabasco,

1271
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: but it wasn't tabasco. Yeah, it's like it's basco sauce there.

1272
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: It's like barbasco. They had a root, they had a plant,

1273
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: and they went and they poisoned the fish, but it

1274
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: just mostly killed them. And then they go shoot them

1275
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: with their bows and then the effects would wear off.

1276
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 1: But while they were mostly dead, they'd be up gulping

1277
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: at the surface and they just go out shoot them

1278
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: all with their bows and it was like a regular

1279
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: fish harvest method. And they go they got the plant

1280
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: growing all around their house, all around their village. You know.

1281
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: I've done that in rural China, like with these Chinese ladies,

1282
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: um who would just go and they would like sing

1283
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: songs and a tribe and they would smash up this

1284
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: route I forget what it was called. And then they

1285
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: would just put it upstream and it would temporarily. What

1286
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: they would say is make the fish go to sleep,

1287
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, and all the fish would float and we

1288
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: would just go catch them with their nets before they'd

1289
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: wake up. And then you see them waking up and

1290
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: swimming off. What these guys would do to to to

1291
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: improve it as they'd be inside channels and the first

1292
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: thing they do is build rock walls to slow the

1293
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 1: current down, poison the side channel, shoot what they wanted,

1294
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: then open up the barricade to let clean water flush

1295
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: through to help resuscitate the fish they didn't want either way.

1296
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 1: Long story short, Australia is poised to do what I said,

1297
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: there's little appetite to do. They are considering The Australian

1298
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 1: government is considering using a type of herpes virus as

1299
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: a biological agent to reduce the population to carp. Yeah,

1300
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: carp herpes is a thing, um, and we recently had

1301
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: a breakout here in the in the US, which is

1302
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: really interesting. They think it came from domestic goldfish being

1303
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: released into waterways. Let that be uh notice for your parents,

1304
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 1: just just say no when your kid wants that old

1305
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 1: nasty goldfish swimming around in the plastic bag at the fair.

1306
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: This summer goldfish brought herpes in, that's the theory. Yeah,

1307
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: Or flush it down the toilet like we used to. Yeah,

1308
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: not that, brother, turn it, loosen your water away, or

1309
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: just eat it that it's got hurt pies. Let's see it.

1310
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: When you're burying your next coffee plant, throw a few

1311
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: goldfish in the bottom of it. Yeah. Uh, where do

1312
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: we start? Tell me you're fit? Like, what was your

1313
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: favorite thing of the days that we spent fish together? Kimmy,

1314
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: I already have my um. Oh gosh, well that was

1315
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: just one day. I had four highlights of our whole

1316
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: little diving trip we just had. There'd be a lot

1317
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: of highlots and do you want men to say them?

1318
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, it would definitely be you getting

1319
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 1: your first mohi um. That was a for sure highlight

1320
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: because that mah he was being really tricky at first,

1321
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: nice big bull ma. He got me so excited to

1322
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: see it there. I haven't seen one like that big

1323
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: in a while. They've been showing up small lately, and

1324
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: so to see that and having me such a tricky fish,

1325
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you should just tell a story.

1326
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 1: Now you got to tell because he was so basically, um,

1327
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: first time blue water diving for you, right, not really anyway,

1328
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: we did like what I guess like borderline that for

1329
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: about an hour one time it was like a little

1330
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: de two around otherwise and nothing happened. Well, we jump

1331
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: in at a buoy, um fad, and I immediately see

1332
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 1: this big bull mahi and um and nothing I can do,

1333
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: like we'll bring this mohi into as member. I was

1334
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: like during the flash or throwing fish and it was

1335
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: just staying on the outskirts. Jimmy keeps the fish talked

1336
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: in her sleeve. Yeah what kind of fishes that? That

1337
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: was in a coole a scat macro, I believe, but

1338
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: she keeps talked in her sleeve. And then you'll look

1339
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: like when you're on the so, I mean you're at

1340
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: that point in time, we're so like, but all these

1341
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: plagics are like, I mean that fish was almost like

1342
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: like at the surface, I mean interesting in the surface

1343
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: where you gotta go down to almost look over and

1344
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: see him. But keeps that fish. And then you see

1345
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: a fish way off and one trick is the come

1346
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: up and literally throw the fish like a baseball to

1347
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,879
Speaker 1: try to land it over yonder and get its attention.

1348
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: He would pay attention. I would get their attention with

1349
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: the splash, and he kind of turn and look at it,

1350
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: but he was not interested in not committing, and so

1351
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: that was a bummer. But we decided to do another drift,

1352
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, getting it at the same we drifted past

1353
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 1: the buoy. We decided to do it again anyway, and

1354
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: this time, as we're setting up, we just see these

1355
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: huge pilot whales everywhere, which are pretty impressive, intimidating apex

1356
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: predators of the ocean that just love to gobble up ma.

1357
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: He he's in tuna and have big old teeth. And I,

1358
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, you guys still want to

1359
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: get in, and everyone still wanted to get in, so

1360
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: we did. Because it's a famous story where one grabbed

1361
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: like they grabbed people now and then oh yeah, yeah,

1362
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: people have died because of pilot whales pulling them under

1363
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: and toying with them, for sure. Um. But when we

1364
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: get in. As soon as we jumped in, UM, you

1365
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: didn't see it. But I looked at the buoy from

1366
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: far far away, and I could see that same bowl mahi,

1367
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: and this time he was doing super duper tight circles

1368
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: around that buoy, and I just was like, Oh, he's

1369
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: really scared because there's all these pilot whales all over

1370
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: and um, and so he's just trying to find shelter.

1371
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: He's wrapped around the bowery totally, and it was amazing,

1372
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: like he was like like glue to it in a

1373
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 1: circle totally, like just conforming his whole body around this buoy.

1374
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: And at the time you just took a nice graceful

1375
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: dive to check out what was below you. But I

1376
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: saw him so far away. As soon as you even

1377
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 1: just dipped under, he did his last circle and left,

1378
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 1: and I was just like, shoot, he's still going to

1379
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: be hard to get, you know. UM. But I I

1380
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: turned to Justin Um and I said, I said, you know,

1381
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: I just saw this buoy doing these tight circles. I

1382
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: think it's scared to pilot whales, and I think it's

1383
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: so scared that if we ever dive, we're not going

1384
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: to have a chance. But maybe if we could just flow,

1385
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: if he ever comes back, if he ever comes back

1386
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: and does that again, if we just kind of float

1387
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: up to it, maybe we can get it. And Justin's like,

1388
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, okay. Later he told me he was just

1389
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: was thinking like that will never work. Um. But anyway, Steve,

1390
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: we see some oh no's, we see that, some other things, um,

1391
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: but there's not really too much going on. We're not

1392
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: getting close to anything. And maybe after like ten or

1393
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, I just saw the ma he coming back,

1394
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: and so I just grabbed Steve and I just said

1395
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: that that mom, he's going to go straight to the buoy.

1396
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: It's going to start doing these circles around the buoy.

1397
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: You cannot dive, but you have to somehow get to

1398
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: that buoy. I'm gonna stay back. I don't want too

1399
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: much pressure on it. But when you go there, you

1400
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: just have to stay on the surface. You have to

1401
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: drift your like driftwood. You know, you are not a hunter,

1402
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: you are not a pilot whale. You are just a

1403
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: piece of wood drifting see how close you can drift

1404
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: to this mohi and then shoot it from the surface,

1405
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: don't go under and just shoot it. And and to

1406
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: just stay back and watch in such such high anticipation

1407
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: as you and Justin who was filming right behind you,

1408
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: just it was like a quirktoon of you guys, just

1409
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: like just like drifting in, kicking whenever the mall he

1410
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: turned away from you, not kicking when he was facing you,

1411
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: and just that gap that you closed so patiently, so slowly,

1412
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: um and then just watching you shoot that mohi. That

1413
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: was by far like a huge highlight. That was so cool.

1414
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: That was a highlight for me and and uh generous

1415
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: of you because I realized, like I don't notice that,

1416
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 1: I don't notice things that good. Yeah, well it's gonna

1417
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: take You guys are always like oh there's that, there's that,

1418
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: there's that. Yeah. I never get to be the one

1419
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 1: that's like, hey, well it's not you. That you never

1420
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: be the one, because my next highlight would be you

1421
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: getting your first oh no, Like this is just incredible

1422
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: that you got your first mohi and your first own

1423
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: on this trip, but you getting your first oh no no,

1424
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: that was something that you did on your own, like

1425
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: I might have put a backup shot in it, but

1426
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: you you sighed on your own. I wasn't. I didn't

1427
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: even see it. You know, you saw it. I was

1428
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: watching cow. I was watching you down underwater trying to

1429
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: take a shot on a little tuna, and I was

1430
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: so fixated on you that I didn't see these ohals swimming.

1431
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Steve saw them immediately, did his thing, went after one

1432
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: and shot when um and and yeah, I just remember

1433
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: looking down and when you came back up, more tuna

1434
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: came into I was saying, you know, dive, Steve, dive.

1435
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: And I looked up and had no idea where you were.

1436
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: You weren't anywhere. I kind of panicked, and I felt

1437
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: afraid that I lost you. Little sharky that day. It

1438
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: was very sharky. And it's just like, you know, I

1439
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: just always try to count my duckies and keep you

1440
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,759
Speaker 1: guys all in order, and when when one goes missing,

1441
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: it really freaked me out, goes high. Yeah, but Danny

1442
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: was on the boat, thank goodness, keeping an eye and

1443
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: everybody and just was like Steve's here, and he's on

1444
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: and to swim over and see that you shot an

1445
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, like that was crazy. You did it all

1446
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: on your own. It was great and the not easy

1447
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: fish to shoot. No, it's not like that's huge, both

1448
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: of you. It was awesome. Oh yeah I was. I

1449
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: was pumped too, Yeah, yeah, I mean coming it was

1450
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: a goat rope from the way outside, coming in sharks

1451
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: and running line all over the place and all the stuff,

1452
01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: and I just I couldn't fathom that that thing made

1453
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: it to you whole. Oh yeah, gimme shot one, and

1454
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:10,560
Speaker 1: man it happened fast. Shot a big fish. I don't like,

1455
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: maybe more than that. Yeah, it was the same, just

1456
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: like shot one and its half of it just vanishing

1457
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: that things mouth. Yeah, we had the shark next to us,

1458
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: and that shark just be lined straight to you guys,

1459
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: and right there I knew, like, oh man, they got

1460
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: some action or something's going on. So I picked my

1461
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: head up and look, and sure enough, you guys are

1462
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: fighting a fish, and that shark just came over. Because

1463
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: there's no way from where we were that shark could

1464
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: not see what you guys were doing. The visibility of

1465
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: this trip was was absolutely staggering, I think as I've

1466
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 1: ever been able to see in the ocean. It's good.

1467
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: We were outside of visibility range, so that shar felt something.

1468
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: As soon as she shot that fish, that shark was

1469
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: like oh boy, yeah, he was like chilled down, you know,

1470
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: like lower right hand corner of the visibility spectrum. And

1471
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he just goes yeah. I

1472
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: mean they have those lateral lines designed to just pick

1473
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: up vibrations of a fish and distresses. So when I

1474
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: shot my own no and it started doing it's, you know,

1475
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: dying thing. Um, that shark just closed that gap in

1476
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: a matter of seconds. And I always have theories of oh,

1477
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: what to do to save your fish I'm getting eaten

1478
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: by a shark, But there are sometimes like that where

1479
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: there's just nothing you could do. He just committed right

1480
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: away and just gobbled that thing. Well we got we

1481
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: got a third of it. Yeah, which still Manasashi me.

1482
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: These are oceanic white tip sharks, and I know you

1483
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: still got more highlights to go, but I want to

1484
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: tell you one of my highlights is they travel with

1485
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: or the they have pilot fish, yeah, which travel with them.

1486
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: They do. It's like a blue striped fish. Yeah, go

1487
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: look at shark potols. You see the pilot fish hanging

1488
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: out them, and we got to talk about the table,

1489
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: like whether they look like tasty little fish. They looked

1490
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: very edible. I never thought of it that way until

1491
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Steve said. She took a three pronged spear in shot.

1492
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: It was like person walking a dog, and she picked

1493
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: off his pilot fish, his pomeranium. She picked off the

1494
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 1: sharks pilot fish. And I don't know if the shark

1495
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 1: would be mad. And then I want to get you

1496
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: for having gotten his pilot fish. But he had to

1497
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: and he didn't need to carry. He didn't seem to care.

1498
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I want when he said that, he said, what does

1499
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: the pilot fish taste like? And I said, I don't know.

1500
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: We both just looked at it and we're like, that

1501
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: thing looks so tasty, let's see if we can get it.

1502
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: It is a weird thing to to say that, Like

1503
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: you're impressed by how a shark can move in the water.

1504
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, no ship, but to witness it

1505
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: and in a bunch of different scenarios, they can just

1506
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 1: do whatever they want, even when you're surrounded by like

1507
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: very graceful, capable people in the water. Likely it's there

1508
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: if they want, if they want you you're getting it,

1509
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, that's why I like

1510
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: not one of those starts want to get after us,

1511
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: because if they did, you'd know it. You know, as

1512
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: much as we bump them off and stuff like, there

1513
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: would be almost nothing you could do if he really

1514
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: get serious about it. I know you got more you

1515
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: want to highlights, but I just want to have observation. Uh.

1516
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: You hear so much about UM human impacts in the

1517
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 1: ocean and like ghost nets. So a ghost that would

1518
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,520
Speaker 1: be like like our ghost traps, like abandoned fishing equipment

1519
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: that continues to function. UM. Where we trap crabs and

1520
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 1: shrimp in Alaska, for instance, you have to regular traps

1521
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: or there's basically a slit in the nylon mesh netting

1522
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and you sew that slit up with cotton twine and

1523
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: then the regulation specify the diameter like the thickness of

1524
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 1: the twine and meant to be that if you lose

1525
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 1: or abandon the trap in short order, that cotton twine

1526
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: will degrade and the trap will cease to function because

1527
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: they're not. She gets in the trap, it dies, It

1528
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: baits and more stuff that comes into the trap. It dies.

1529
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Like when you said, a shrimp pot, and shrimp get

1530
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: in there, and then octopus gets in there, and then

1531
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: like it just continues to kill ship. So we go

1532
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: up to a buoy and there is a hunk of

1533
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: it looks like cardon, not fishing net. It look like

1534
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 1: a hunk of cargo netting, like a hunk of cargo

1535
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 1: net hung up on the booty chain. And in the

1536
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: hunk of cargo net is though, is a big rainbow

1537
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: runner gill netted on it. Still the weirdest thing like

1538
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: when I saw what I like, I ran through all

1539
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: these like what like did someone store it there? Like

1540
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,480
Speaker 1: like I couldn't understand, just like alive in the net.

1541
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: He somehow jammed his head into a scrap no bigger

1542
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: than a half bed sheet of cargo netting hanging off

1543
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: a booty chain and he tried to swim through it.

1544
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Then so there was that, Well, I feel like that

1545
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: might have happened somewhere, because you think that shark would

1546
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: have got after it right like that. That's the second

1547
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: thing I thought, Why did the shark not eat the

1548
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,600
Speaker 1: fish that stuck in the net. It was like it

1549
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: just happened. Then we saw two sharks carrying big leaders

1550
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: with hooks. I saw a tuna carrying a leader with

1551
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: a hook, and then we saw another shark that had

1552
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: gotten himself tangled up in a hunk of rope where

1553
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: he was like lassoed by a hunk of rope that

1554
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: has had seven ft of barnacle and crusted rope hanging

1555
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: off of it, cutting into his skin. One of the

1556
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: camera guys grabbed the rope and tried to saw the

1557
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: rope off. As soon as you grab the rope, he

1558
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: had all that open wound and a suit. That was

1559
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: the only thing that you could poke that shark in

1560
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: the nose all day long. It wouldn't bother him. The

1561
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: one thing that bothered that shark is when you grab

1562
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: that rope and then he take off. You couldn't get

1563
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: the rope cut off. The rope around like literally like

1564
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: a bucking bull at the fair right like so it's

1565
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: perfectly like mid section just ahead of the dorsal fan

1566
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: with the tag end coming off, like somebody was going

1567
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: to straddle the shark behind the dorsal and hang onto

1568
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: that thing. You'll absolutely see that shark in the show.

1569
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: Would it almost looked like like it that beautiful big

1570
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: shark trailing that rope, and it was so symmetrical the

1571
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: way it was around him and just laid on him

1572
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: and had all that stuff grown on it. It almost

1573
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 1: was like it was like artistic. It looked like shark

1574
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: wearing a Yeah, like had like an artistic quality if

1575
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: you could, if you could arrest it from everything. It

1576
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 1: was like this kind of like beautiful thing of him

1577
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: coming up through the water column trailing that heavy frayed

1578
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,600
Speaker 1: But how in the world did he get that on him?

1579
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I still badly wanted to cut that thing off, just

1580
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 1: to be like, cut that thing off. What what is

1581
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: a rainbow runner? Is the Hawaiian word? Um? Is it

1582
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: part of a I would guess it's a part of

1583
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: the mackerel family, would be my guest, but I don't know.

1584
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Also the magerel or jack, but I don't know. I

1585
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: don't know. But they look really similar to the like

1586
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I was actly like the yellowtail but in California.

1587
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: But they have similar things to him, you know, a

1588
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: little bit more slender, a little bit more sleek, but

1589
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 1: got that bright orange tail or by yellowtail. And when

1590
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: you consider like the vastness of the ocean, and obviously

1591
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: like those booties do attract life, and that's why folks

1592
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,679
Speaker 1: go out there and fish. But like Jack to come

1593
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: across this rainbow runner, which is a jack stuck in

1594
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: that cargo net in a place where the sharks were

1595
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 1: looking to eat food. So yeah, I would go with

1596
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: the theory that it just happened, But like, what are

1597
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the odds of, like in this giant blue pond, bottomless pond,

1598
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 1: to come across something that just happened on the day

1599
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 1: that you just happened to be there is bizarre to me,

1600
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: Like just weird how stuff happens. It was a score.

1601
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: It's just like I saw Steve trying to get it

1602
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: free and I'm like, we'll stick a stick a knife

1603
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: in his brain first, Like yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure

1604
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: if you're trying to free m or what. But it's

1605
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: a good eating fist. No. I used the word rescue,

1606
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 1: but that wasn't quite the word. That was funny later

1607
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: when it was dead and I was about, you're like,

1608
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: look at the one we rescued. Hight next highlight it

1609
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: was when the crew started fishing and Seth hooked into

1610
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: it too, was cranking it up like a champ and

1611
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 1: you weren't giving the gaff up because um, Sam was

1612
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: cranking up tuna on the other side, and so you

1613
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: needed it for her. But our fish was boat side

1614
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: already and we needed a gaff and and I just

1615
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: found this little baby gaffs a little handheld like like

1616
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: a little captain hook hook. Yeah, not even for a

1617
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: teen incher um And was it a metal one yeah yeah,

1618
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: And just just got to stick it with that and

1619
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: help get it in the boat. That was really exciting,

1620
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: Like I just started jumping up and down and clapping. Yeah.

1621
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I was like frantically looking for a gaff and I

1622
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: turned around the fishes in the boat. It was like,

1623
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: oh great, there we hit the tuna. Like it was like,

1624
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: well anybody can catch tuna type of timing, right, It

1625
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 1: was like bagoes in the water. You wait a minute,

1626
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty rare for it

1627
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: to be like that, and amazing for you guys to

1628
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: see that they're jumping out of the water too, Like

1629
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: that was so fun. Gaff and tune is stressful. So

1630
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 1: so you guys got a long leader and you're and

1631
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: you're reel up and eventually get where the leader hits

1632
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: the rod tip you can't reel anymore. And then someone

1633
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: puts on gloves or not and starts wrapping her hand

1634
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: around that leader and bringing the fish up. Danny's telling

1635
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: me like, I'll tell you when to gaff it. So

1636
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he's gonna say gaff it when it's like,

1637
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, tucker it out, like laying at the surface,

1638
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: drag along the side of the boat, and he's you

1639
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 1: can look down and he's down cutting big cookies circles

1640
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like just chilling, thinking like eventually it'll be

1641
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 1: up here and it'll be like placid, you know, not

1642
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: hooking in the boat. And I'm not even kind of ready.

1643
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: And I think he's like now, I'm like, oh, I

1644
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 1: didn't know you meant like that. Do you think that gaff?

1645
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: And new pulled up? But then we were with the

1646
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: dude named Jonah who fishes tuned commercially, and don't I'm

1647
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: sure you've seen this move. He gets them on the

1648
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: leader and just has a baseball bat and not even

1649
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: gaffed it gets it open. Yeah, if you can see,

1650
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 1: it's just cold cock and it stuns it. Yeah, is

1651
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: there coming up? You can look at where the hook is,

1652
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: so if you know, you've got a good hook placement.

1653
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: You got some time, you know, But yeah, put them

1654
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 1: to sleep. Those fish respond to a blow to the

1655
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: head like you wish other fish would. Yeah, I mean

1656
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: to blow to the head on one of those is

1657
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: like dunzo. Yeah, I feel like it's a bigger fish too,

1658
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: and rerecing pretty big bats like they don't, you know,

1659
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: move much when you hit them. Hit some small and

1660
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: they kind of go with the flow. This thing has

1661
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: got some mass behind it. The efficiencies between recreational technique

1662
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: and commercial technique, there's there's some big differences there. Like

1663
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: Joan is on the side of the boats, uh, cranking

1664
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 1: the thing up, grabbing the leader bat, gaff in the

1665
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 1: boat like onto the next one, and we're over making

1666
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: videos and he would like whack it with the bat

1667
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: and reach down in his gills pull that stuff out

1668
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: with his hand and then pulled in the boat like

1669
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and we're like over there trying to cut it out

1670
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: real nice with knives and whatnot. That's one dude. I

1671
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: would not want to get punched by man. What do

1672
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 1: you guys call sucker punch in Hawaii false crack. I

1673
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: would not want to get false cracked by him man

1674
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: false Craig meta bac one. Okay, how many more? Get

1675
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: one more highlight? Um, I guess my just be um

1676
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: seeing that beautiful ecosystem of everything from bait fish to

1677
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: my he's in ono's and shark all underneath just that

1678
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: floating barrel we found so so not you know, the

1679
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 1: expected that, not the state buoy, but we just came

1680
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 1: across like a piece of trash basically, um, a white

1681
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: plastic floating barrel that didn't even look like it had

1682
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: been in the ocean that long and they didn't have

1683
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: that much growth on it. But the minute you get

1684
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: in the water is just crazy what a universe is

1685
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:23,719
Speaker 1: around it. That was exciting. Someone brought up the obvious

1686
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: point that can't be ignored. Who was it that said

1687
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 1: something about, you know everything, plastics in the ocean, plastics

1688
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 1: in the ocean. I think you brought it up. Seth

1689
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: brought it up. And you jump in under a plastic

1690
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: barrel floating to the ocean and the holy ship, Well,

1691
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 1: how could this be bad? Yeah, it's like this barrels.

1692
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: Steve made this comment about these sharks being such jerks,

1693
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, they don't learn. They repeatedly do the

1694
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: same things. And like, one thing that was real interesting

1695
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: shark behavior was we we observed these white tips biting

1696
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Danny's flashers, which is like understandable, they're meant to attract fish,

1697
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 1: but the same shark would hit it have a very

1698
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 1: negative reaction, like irritated, like irritated, did not like it, visibly,

1699
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 1: did not like body language, just like yeah, I don't

1700
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 1: like that. Thirty seconds later, he'd come back and try

1701
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: it again, you know. And this says Steve, was like, yeah,

1702
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: they're like high school jerks that stuck around town and

1703
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:36,560
Speaker 1: still bully the outside the canvas and bully bully was

1704
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 1: just like god, like, why didn't these sharks just like

1705
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 1: leave the bully and to go do something good with

1706
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 1: their lives instead of just hanging out up being bullies.

1707
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do feel like that oceanic white tip

1708
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: under that plastic barrow that was the one that left

1709
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 1: and like did something with his life. He was cool. Yeah.

1710
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: The conclusion like, this is it, this is the opposite,

1711
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,560
Speaker 1: This is here's the grown up gut sick all the

1712
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 1: ass slapping and went and found his own little place.

1713
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, and that I mean the sharks really really

1714
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: was the top highlight for me, like watching all the

1715
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 1: different behavior, watching watching and move around, and and then

1716
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: being like, oh my gosh, you really gotta pay attention

1717
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: to these the agro ones. And but then also like

1718
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: some of the more beautiful things that I saw, The

1719
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: things that are stuck in my head are like the

1720
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: bait fish congregating around the sharks, and then then just

1721
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: doing these big lazy circles and kind of like half

1722
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: spins through the sunlight and stuff was unbelievable, like really

1723
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: really amazing. And like those pompano mahi that that the

1724
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 1: cool the laid back shark he was doing something with

1725
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: his life was swimming with Like that was just an

1726
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: awesome scene to just sit and watch over and over again.

1727
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 1: One of the things I appreciate about the the way

1728
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: the oceanic white tips move is you imagine most fish

1729
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: when they're like ascending or descending a water column, a

1730
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: lot of times they'll do a movement. It's almost like

1731
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: someone going up a spiral staircase. Right. They keep there,

1732
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 1: they keep their orientation relative to like the planet, right,

1733
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: like his peck fins are down and they'll climb and descend.

1734
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: But stay basically upright. But the way those sharks like

1735
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: they really are living in a three dimensional space where

1736
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: when they're ascending the water column, they're perfectly vertical, Like

1737
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: they climb perfectly vertically and they're gliding to something you

1738
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: don't see, like you know, you realize when you see

1739
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 1: you're like, not many fish do that do? I mean

1740
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: like climb like like totally vertically. They're like they're like

1741
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: a person going up a straight ladder, and it's like

1742
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: they're just divorced from yeah, like of normal mechanics of

1743
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,680
Speaker 1: what you imagine, you know, how things move. And I

1744
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: saw that vertical orientation was when they made up their

1745
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: mind to go from point A to point right. They're like, huh,

1746
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: what is that? Diver? It's such a crazy thing. Like

1747
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I feel like the sharks just add I mean, those

1748
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the bully sharks like just add a whole another like

1749
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 1: layer of kind of like stress in your mind. Do

1750
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: you know that you have to kind of deal with

1751
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: because they sometimes will get a little aggressive or nippy

1752
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: at you and um, and it's just it's one more

1753
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 1: thing that you have to like think about while trying

1754
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: to hunt, as if like trying to hold your breath,

1755
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: dive down and shoot a tuna. Isn't enough to think about, like,

1756
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 1: then you also have to think about the sharks on

1757
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: your back. And it's such a crazy and literally on

1758
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,759
Speaker 1: your back. There were there were dives where you couldn't

1759
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: divorce the shark from like the outline of the diver,

1760
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 1: and so you can't always just look straight ahead at

1761
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 1: your target because you always kind of have to be

1762
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: checking what the shark's doing and if if you have

1763
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,840
Speaker 1: to poke it away or whatnot. And that just it

1764
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: changes everything. It changes your movement, it changes everything, you know.

1765
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: And so it really is like this dance of um

1766
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 1: trying not to care about the sharks to the point

1767
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: where you can hunt, but not turning that care off

1768
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:26,759
Speaker 1: so much where you're complacent and going to get yourself

1769
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 1: in trouble. And it really is this weird fine line.

1770
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: But it helps to have your buddies like all around

1771
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: you poking them off. And that's what I think we

1772
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 1: always had to have trust in. It's like, Okay, I'm

1773
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: doing this dive, I'm after this fish. If it's a

1774
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: shark about to eat me, somebody's going to poke it. Yeah,

1775
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: And and and that's that's definite faith because we we

1776
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: had situations where there were five divers, six divers in

1777
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: the water and everybody essentially in a circled wagon. For me,

1778
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 1: sen poking at the same shark, he's like not getting

1779
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 1: the message that he's not wanted in the circle, right, Yeah,

1780
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: it's wild. Yeah, I know that first day, you know,

1781
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: Steve it asked what he what I expect to see

1782
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: out there, and instead of saying, moll he's on those

1783
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, my first thing was sat sharks. And I

1784
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 1: kind of felt bad about that, right because like I

1785
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to put like any negative spin on it.

1786
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: I just knew that we were going to see him

1787
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: and that was gonna be like obstacle to overcome just

1788
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,560
Speaker 1: getting everbody comfortable with it. And that was and I

1789
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: told you guys that, like, hey, first day, first couple

1790
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 1: of days, let's get in the water and just get comfortable,

1791
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: especially before we go to some of those spots we

1792
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: went to because I knew there'd be more of them.

1793
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: Let's just get kind of an idea on how they

1794
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 1: move and stuff. And I mean two to be able

1795
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: to relax through that, for you guys is huge because

1796
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I've spent a ton of time with him. Kimmy spent

1797
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: a ton of time with them. I don't want to

1798
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: say it makes it easier, but it definitely makes it easier,

1799
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, because I kind of know what to expect

1800
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know, you could always have

1801
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: that one. But regardless for you guys not having that

1802
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 1: much time with that type of shark and everything, I

1803
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: felt like you got you know, I totally it took me,

1804
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 1: like years, I feel like, to like get that comfortable

1805
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,720
Speaker 1: with sharks. You know, like at first win, sharks will come.

1806
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to leave the situation or if a

1807
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 1: shark took my fish, I was just like, we are

1808
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,560
Speaker 1: not getting back in right here, you know. And it

1809
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 1: just it just took like repetition in years and whatnot

1810
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 1: until I was able to develop that comfort of like, Okay,

1811
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 1: we can still hunt and bomb belbos together. Um, but

1812
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: you guys are just doing it well. I mean a

1813
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: lot of your confidence comes from your compadres and in

1814
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: the water red it's like, well, these folks were here

1815
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: because these folks know what they're doing and this is

1816
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: how they behave That's I mean, that's you gotta adapt

1817
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 1: that type of behavior pretty quick, not like Jimmy, Jimmy

1818
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: and Danny don't know. They don't seem to know what

1819
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: they're doing out here with the with the local wildlife,

1820
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: you know. And I try to keep like a reality

1821
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 1: chap too because I have friends that they get real

1822
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 1: complacent with it. So I always in the back of

1823
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: my head like, hey, that thing's the real deal, you know,

1824
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: Like I said, if that thing wants you, it's it's done.

1825
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: So look at the own right the owner, like that

1826
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 1: is a stick of dance muscle, and it was. It

1827
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: was vaporized and just in that shakes belly immediately in seconds. Yeah. Yeah,

1828
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: there's a big spinal column that runs down the middle

1829
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: of it. I got one last thing I want to

1830
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: say about fishing. Um, we're fighting in a tuna and

1831
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,400
Speaker 1: the tuna was pretty played out. It's cut close to

1832
01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: the boat. And also just and I said, oh, he's

1833
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 1: running for days like that, ain't him? Because yeah, like

1834
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: a shark and grab him and just ahead of for

1835
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: the depths with him. And I was like oh. And

1836
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: then pretty soon the line Kimmy's about to say, I

1837
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 1: should have reeled faster, but I was paying attention and

1838
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was anybody reeling faster on

1839
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: the boat for other fish? I mean, yeah, it was

1840
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 1: just one of those right, Like it's tiring, you know.

1841
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,000
Speaker 1: It's just like when you're reeling that thing in and

1842
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: it can be tiring. Yeah, absolutely, but I mean give me,

1843
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah it was fast. I mean it was to the

1844
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: boat fast. And I think that was a nice fist. Yeah,

1845
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't. Yeah, we paid they we paid

1846
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:53,760
Speaker 1: the tax now, yeah, we paid our Yeah. Yeah, I'm

1847
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 1: just curious of what that shark looked like to be

1848
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 1: able to Yeah, and like he said, what a meal?

1849
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, if that was that was a forty pounder,

1850
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: what a meal? I will say the inner guards of

1851
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: the white tips to write, it's like, you know, I

1852
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: definitely like get your confidence in playbook from the folks

1853
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: that you're swimming with. But I bet I picked up

1854
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 1: the silhouette of silhouette and outline of a white tip

1855
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: in my brain a lot faster than a lot of

1856
01:51:29,080 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 1: the praise species that were after. Like I was, I

1857
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 1: was like way out there, I'm like, oh, I see

1858
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 1: you coming with the white tips. Danny want to close

1859
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: the question for you. Uh. We recently had a guest

1860
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 1: on Seth Cantner came on the show and he um

1861
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 1: grew up outside of Cotsbue, was raised in a sod hut,

1862
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 1: living off the land, and he was laughing about their

1863
01:51:56,040 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: perspective on caribou, you know, like in in The Hate

1864
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 1: of Cultures, and the way he was brought up would

1865
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: be like if someone gets a caribou, it's was it fat? Right?

1866
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 1: Meaning all they're looking at is the rump? Yeah? And

1867
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: he said and then folks like me or like was

1868
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: it big? Meaning antlers? Uh, We're going to spend the

1869
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 1: next few days bow hunting for feral sheep ferrel sheep

1870
01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:29,280
Speaker 1: in Hawaii? Am I Like? What are your thoughts on

1871
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 1: the fact that I want to get like a lamb?

1872
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that? Is that a normal desire? Ok? So,

1873
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 1: like I don't know if it's a normal desire, because yeah,

1874
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: there is that like for us definitely, Yeah, like that

1875
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: is for us. It's food, you know, like a lot

1876
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 1: of the hunting idea. I'm not very picky even when

1877
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: I go LK hunting and stuff. Um, I'm not very

1878
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: picky obviously, right, Like if the opportunities they're cool, but

1879
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: especially at home, we're not very picky. It's food, you know,

1880
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 1: we're looking at it. It's like, okay, there, this is

1881
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 1: the grocery store. And sometimes you know, whatever you want

1882
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 1: to say, oh that one's tender or whatever. Sometimes you

1883
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: just don't want that much meat either, you know. So

1884
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: there's no like, um, there's no stigma against shooting a

1885
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 1: lamb like there would be if you targeted a spotted deer.

1886
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: Phone now, and and I can be a little picky

1887
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 1: with it, like the last time I shot a smaller one.

1888
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking like, okay, here's an email. Is

1889
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: it pregnant? Is it? You know, how old is it?

1890
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, this is kind of like a

1891
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: year ling that's not pregnant, Like this is probably a

1892
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:34,720
Speaker 1: good one I could shoot, you know. So there's a

1893
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: little bit of a thought process that goes behind it. Um,

1894
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: But I got no problem with that. I think it

1895
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 1: just really helps that. Um, there's such invasive species here

1896
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 1: in Knowwaii, So whether you're going to shoot a little

1897
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: access fun or whether you're going to shoot a little

1898
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, lamb, like it is also like good for

1899
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 1: the forest that you're doing. So, um, it doesn't matter

1900
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: what size, right because it's just like taking one out

1901
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: is just like one less of like a very overpopulated species.

1902
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 1: I got a couple of days hunting with a mutual

1903
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: friend of these guys, Sean Hashazaki averund Maui, and we

1904
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: were walking back to the truck and we got into

1905
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 1: this like very nice, even tall grass meadow and we

1906
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: started walking through there there were access deer fawns like

1907
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 1: I am not exaggerating, like jack rabbit size, and they

1908
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 1: just started like popping out of the grass in front

1909
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 1: of us, popping, popping, popping, And I keep hearing Sean

1910
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: saying this word behind me, and I'm kind of quasi

1911
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: paying attention, and then I finally turned to him and

1912
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 1: he's like tasty. It's like it's tasty. It's tasty. And

1913
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, okay, got it, and then

1914
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 1: I missed him, didn't get I mean, nobody thinks twice,

1915
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 1: right like they see lamptops on the menu. Nobody thinks twice.

1916
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 1: And it's sad that are our general population kind of

1917
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 1: just a little bit more disconnected from where where their

1918
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: food comes from. But yeah, no one thinks slice about

1919
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 1: lamptops on the on the menu. So we brought up

1920
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 1: the age of domestic livestock at slaughter the one thing,

1921
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 1: and I regret it that I shielded my kids from um.

1922
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Not the ian. I shield them from all kinds of

1923
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: things when it comes to internet whatever, but the ones

1924
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:36,920
Speaker 1: sort of like natural um food acquisition act right like

1925
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 1: like a like a very human, natural ancestral activity that

1926
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I've shielded my kids from, and I regret it. Was

1927
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 1: slaughtering lamps um. And I was like, man, I thought

1928
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 1: about it. I had my body take him over to

1929
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 1: check out this little pond while they were slaughter in

1930
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 1: these lambs. And then later I'm like many they why not? Yeah?

1931
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean totally, I think I read, but for some

1932
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: reason it just like struck me, like like I should

1933
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: send them off. And then then I'm like, that was

1934
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: chicken ship. I just shot a little ram um like

1935
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 1: a week ago, and I thought about that part in

1936
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 1: your book where you sent the kids offsously didn't have

1937
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,240
Speaker 1: to see it, and I was like wondering if I

1938
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: was going to traumatize Buddy by bringing back this dead animal.

1939
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cute, fluffy thing and then skinning it and

1940
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: taking it apart. But I just went for it, and

1941
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 1: it went't great yeah, he helped me. I mean yeah, yeah.

1942
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: People asked like, what's the best time to introduce your

1943
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 1: kids to like animal death. Um, I usually say like

1944
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 1: early enough, or they don't they never even really you

1945
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, like it's not like a

1946
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: day when all of a sudden, it's just like it's

1947
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 1: just like a part of life. And yeah, why I

1948
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 1: ever have like just have it be ingrained that that's

1949
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: like a thing that happens. But yeah, in that case,

1950
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: I didn't, And um, yeah, later on kind of question

1951
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 1: my own judgment on it. Yeah, when they're you or

1952
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 1: they don't know any better, right, Like you don't know

1953
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: any better. You could be raised and with something that's

1954
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: not within someone's other morals, you know, but you don't

1955
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: know any better. So there's that time. And then I know,

1956
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 1: with my daughter, you know i'd be I'd be both

1957
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 1: hunting and stuff. But I did try. I just didn't

1958
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 1: want her to be grossed out by it because some

1959
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: of that stuff is stink, you know, like you've gutting

1960
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: something and you're like, to me, it's even like THO

1961
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:26,320
Speaker 1: thinks to stink. So like as a little kid, you

1962
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: know they're gonna be like you gross. But I've taken

1963
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: her see hunting when she was kind of old enough

1964
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: to understand what. But the goal was always just, hey,

1965
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 1: it's food. It's no big deal, you know, like that's it.

1966
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 1: I didn't try to make a big deal out of it,

1967
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Like I didn't sit there and try explain the whole thing.

1968
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I just kind of let it happen. And she knew

1969
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,200
Speaker 1: that I would go hunting and she wouldn't be there

1970
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 1: when I clean it, but then we'd eat it, so

1971
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 1: she knew where it came from. Um. So then when

1972
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 1: when it was the time for her to be there

1973
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 1: cleaning with it. And actually the pig that I served

1974
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: you guys that first night, she helped me clean that

1975
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: thing too. Um. And yeah, it's just it's just a

1976
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: normal part of life. And it's either you teach them

1977
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,320
Speaker 1: when they're young enough to where they don't know any better,

1978
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: or you just make sure it's the right time, because

1979
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 1: I could see there being a wrong time where they

1980
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 1: get either go stout by it or they're saddened by it.

1981
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's being a little lamb and they just

1982
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 1: think of these little cartoons baby lambs or something, and

1983
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 1: you're killing them. But your daughter's got a great approach

1984
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 1: to food, though. Man, she cracked me up last night.

1985
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 1: She comes in, starts eating shrimp. It's about a half

1986
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 1: pound of raw tuna. Starts eating Cal's shoulder ducks. Yeah,

1987
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 1: she's just like no, like no, even like sort of

1988
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 1: part of her brain that would be like the impressive

1989
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,120
Speaker 1: part of the ducks too. You gotta point out it's like, oh,

1990
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 1: this one's fishy. But then she came back and tried

1991
01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: a different duck, which I mean for even adults. Is

1992
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 1: the reason it's fishy as well as Cal slathered in

1993
01:58:58,160 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: oyster sauce. Yeah, well she you know it tastes like oysters.

1994
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:08,920
Speaker 1: Don't play the duck that's Callian's Giant Boston. Steve and

1995
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 1: I both went into panic mode. It's like, oh no,

1996
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:19,240
Speaker 1: don't imprint the duck is like this this particulars and

1997
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 1: we never like when she was younger, and my wife's

1998
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 1: a big part of this is that she never got

1999
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 1: any special meals, you know, whatever we're making, no matter

2000
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:30,480
Speaker 1: how like obscure it was or weird flavors. She never

2001
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,000
Speaker 1: got no map cheese, she never got no chicken nuggets,

2002
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 1: none of that either. Eating what we're eating for dinner.

2003
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: You're not eating dude. Man. That's if I had one

2004
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 1: like that is my primary parenting suggestion. If I could

2005
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 1: be so audacious as to have parenting suggestions, it was hard.

2006
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 1: Don't fall into the trap and making separate ship at

2007
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, and there is stuff like you gotta be,

2008
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 1: you gotta understand like something everybody has it on personality.

2009
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:00,920
Speaker 1: So some stuff she just doesn't like. So it's like

2010
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 1: that's all good. Don't eat that. You know, it's no

2011
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: good deal to try it, but you don't have to

2012
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 1: eat it, you know what we call it. But yeah,

2013
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:09,560
Speaker 1: she'll eat. I mean when she's younger, she she eat

2014
02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 1: raw onions, just like a piece of raw onions. Whatever.

2015
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:15,640
Speaker 1: She's a she's has like a super good palette. Like

2016
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 1: you can give her something, she'll tell you what's in

2017
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: it and oh, buddy, mine this is good clothes, good

2018
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 1: way to close and you know, ben, oh sorry, one more,

2019
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: one more thing here. Danny's daughter just had her twelfth

2020
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 1: birthday and her great grandma rolls up to the house

2021
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 1: and you know, like in your standard like birthday bag,

2022
02:00:38,120 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: and Zadie looks inside and she's just like super excited.

2023
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh pulls out two mangoes, two mangoes from

2024
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 1: grandma's tree for twelve birthday and she is just like

2025
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 1: was overjoyed. Oh yeah, And I was just like about

2026
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:00,600
Speaker 1: that because my old man he's talking about like growing

2027
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 1: up real poor, and he would say that for Christmas,

2028
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 1: He's like, you would get an apple or an orange,

2029
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: and it was a big deal. That's awesome to get

2030
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:16,280
Speaker 1: an apple or in orange, especially in orange in December.

2031
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 1: Not an orange game station and an orange. It was

2032
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:23,600
Speaker 1: a real treat in December. It would be like, my goodness,

2033
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 1: what are they what do they come up with next?

2034
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:30,200
Speaker 1: What was I gonna say, You're really gonna close with something?

2035
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 1: Um that was gonna be really compelling and I'm not

2036
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:40,840
Speaker 1: sure what it was. Right. So he's been on the

2037
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 1: show Ben benyon um Uh Texican. He's a land manager,

2038
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:54,360
Speaker 1: commercial hog trapper. He fattens a pig every year from

2039
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: the family's table scraps. That's what he fattens it on.

2040
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 1: And we were about what a good idea that was,

2041
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: But then we talked about how it would change your

2042
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:06,960
Speaker 1: attitude about waste because your kids would be like you,

2043
02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: I really got to finish this. And then you'd be like,

2044
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 1: why I could give it to that pig fatting them up,

2045
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:18,440
Speaker 1: and you'd become more permissive. So it's like a dangerous

2046
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 1: area to be in. Man, And I had yeah, I

2047
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,280
Speaker 1: had brought up the fact that my mom and stepdad,

2048
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, big beef family, their appetites getting keep getting smaller,

2049
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 1: but they're weekly giant steaks stays the same size, and

2050
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:39,920
Speaker 1: the dogs keep getting fatter. All everybody, thanks for joining

2051
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,360
Speaker 1: Stay tune, Will Fillion on our on our feral sheep

2052
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 1: hunt hunting livestock in Hawaii, which is fun. Yeah, turning

2053
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: to livestock into Yeah, they're pretty wild. I mean they'll

2054
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 1: run from you just like any other animal. Yeah, they're

2055
02:02:55,960 --> 02:03:01,400
Speaker 1: definitely man. Yeah, anybody anybody's metaphorical agnols that they figure

2056
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:05,080
Speaker 1: it out? Oh yeah, all right, thanks everybody,