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Speaker 2: welcome back to Brown Ambition. Now, for those who are

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Speaker 2: many of you. I was recently on a coaching call

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Speaker 2: those who don't know. Mandy Moneymakers is the community that

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Speaker 1: that goes well with finance. Also considering the fact that

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Speaker 1: a lot of times I wouldn't want to be part

435
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Speaker 1: of the problem, but a lot of times they are

436
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Speaker 1: looking to streamline solutions. So if you can, you know,

437
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: streamline work, learning how to navigate stuff, if you can

438
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Speaker 1: learn SEQL and you know, learn how to make programs

439
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Speaker 1: talk to each other, then you know you're slightly more

440
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Speaker 1: not only slightly more valuable. But these are things that

441
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Speaker 1: I just in the course of my work, I'm just like, oh,

442
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Speaker 1: wish I was better at this. So it's not even

443
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Speaker 1: a matter of I think it's a good fit for

444
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Speaker 1: me because it's not just a matter of this is

445
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Speaker 1: how I would make more money, it's this is how

446
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Speaker 1: I can get better at my function. And I want

447
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Speaker 1: to learn more about this kind of thing against you.

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Speaker 3: It makes you broadly more appealing in the moment. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 3: how long would that take?

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Speaker 1: Though, depending on how many credits I take a year

451
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Speaker 1: to two years.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if I oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to say, probably, if I push hard,

454
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Speaker 1: I could do a year. But being there, I haven't

455
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Speaker 1: been to school in a while, I would start out

456
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Speaker 1: on the more conservative credits and then if I find

457
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Speaker 1: that I'm comfortable, like, try to bump it up.

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Speaker 3: That's smart because life does be life. And I was

459
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Speaker 3: going to say, when it came to the schooling, you know,

460
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Speaker 3: especially with data analytics, I'm a little concerned about AI

461
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Speaker 3: right now. When it comes to data analytics roles, I'm

462
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Speaker 3: just not concerned, but I'm I want to stay open

463
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Speaker 3: to the idea of and I think in the past

464
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Speaker 3: few years, especially data analytics is one of the you know,

465
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Speaker 3: it's one of the most popular like certificates or you know,

466
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Speaker 3: courses that have have been prolific and a lot of

467
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Speaker 3: people have taken them, and it makes so much sense.

468
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Speaker 3: It's been applicable to so many types of roles, and

469
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Speaker 3: there's all sorts of ways to learn about that, and

470
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Speaker 3: you know, from free introductory courses to like full fledged

471
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Speaker 3: degrees like you're talking about. I question. I would look

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Speaker 3: at the program and basically ask that question of them,

473
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Speaker 3: because I almost feel like the first leg up was

474
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Speaker 3: to learn these different languages and learn how to make

475
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Speaker 3: these softwares talk to each other or sorry, these you know,

476
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Speaker 3: data systems talk to each other. The next level is

477
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Speaker 3: going to be how do we learn with AI that

478
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Speaker 3: can do these things for us? So what prompts do

479
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Speaker 3: we give the AI to do this, you know whatever?

480
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Speaker 3: And I'd be surprised if there weren't already some AI

481
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Speaker 3: out there, And so I'm just like bringing that up

482
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Speaker 3: as an idea to look into there is I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I can't see.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was a full fledged degree

485
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Speaker 1: or if it was a certificate, but there because that

486
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Speaker 1: picked like three different interests and so they showed me

487
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Speaker 1: the different programs within the interest So I think cybersecurity,

488
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Speaker 1: data analytics and AI and so, like I said, I

489
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Speaker 1: can't remember if it's a full fledged degree. I'm sure

490
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Speaker 1: it is somewhere, or if it was just a certificate,

491
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Speaker 1: because like I said, of course, I'm kind of beholden

492
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Speaker 1: to like their universities and course programs, so that it

493
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Speaker 1: might be a degree somewhere, but I'm not sure if

494
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Speaker 1: they offer it or if it's just a case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds great, honestly, the certifications, I would say

496
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Speaker 3: I would take full advantage of that because that's to

497
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Speaker 3: me a form of compensation. Yes, I know some online

498
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Speaker 3: programs can cost like thousands of dollars even for a certification,

499
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Speaker 3: so you know, I I one hundred percent I think

500
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Speaker 3: you should go for it. I also feel like because

501
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Speaker 3: it's applicable to your career in general, will make you

502
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Speaker 3: more attractive. That just gives me. Yeah, I mean, I

503
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Speaker 3: think that you could put your head down, you could

504
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Speaker 3: put your energy into this course. But I am I'm

505
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Speaker 3: never going to tell anyone to not keeping not keep

506
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Speaker 3: their eyes open for new opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, as you're.

508
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Speaker 3: Enrolled in this course and you're starting to learn more,

509
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Speaker 3: you can already start putting on your resume.

510
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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I didn't think of that. That's why

511
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Speaker 1: you have put it in your letter.

512
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Speaker 3: You know, bring it up in conversation. You can even

513
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: when you're when you talk to those recruiters or contacts

514
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Speaker 3: that you've been making, and you've been so wise to

515
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Speaker 3: stay open. I know you had some shitty experiences with

516
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Speaker 3: some of these recruiters because they do.

517
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Speaker 1: We acting creater, and I will say that it was

518
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Speaker 1: only one that was directly with a company. It was

519
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Speaker 1: kind of shocking. It was so shocking that I went

520
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Speaker 1: enrolled by the company to make sure. I'm like, this

521
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Speaker 1: company still exists, right, because.

522
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Speaker 3: I think otherwise it was like external recruits.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say, yeah, so the the people

524
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Speaker 1: who were internal, like I said, it was just the

525
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Speaker 1: one that was it was so shockingly bad. I said,

526
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Speaker 1: let me just ride by this place and make sure

527
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Speaker 1: it's still there, because that was like if LinkedIn had

528
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: a reality show, that would have been it. But I'm sorry, yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: but I was like, it had happens. But yeah, that's

530
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that I guess I was grateful

531
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Speaker 1: for because I was like, oh, well, yeah, I've been,

532
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, keeping in contact and reaching out. And I

533
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: had a couple of them, like even before this happened,

534
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: reach out and it's just like, hey, you know, I

535
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: remember it from the last time you want to Yeah, yeah,

536
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I'll interview for it. So, like I said, that was

537
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: one of all the good advice that you gave us

538
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: to have immediately been able to reach out to somebody

539
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: and they're just like, yeah, let me put some time

540
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: on my calendar for tomorrow. Are you free? Yes? I am,

541
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: so yeah. I'm going to continue to do that and

542
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: then to keep the skills up to date, and then

543
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: that forces me to keep my resume up to date, because,

544
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: like I said, that's the problem that some people are happening, because,

545
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: like I said, my team was full of long timers

546
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: who have been there for like thirty thirty five years

547
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: some of them, so to try to go back and update,

548
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: I mean they have been in the same position, but

549
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: most of them have been in this position for at

550
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Speaker 1: least five years, So going back and updating five years

551
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: worth of experience and projects and whatnot. Where I've tried

552
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: to every at least every four months, like look at

553
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: my resume. Have I been doing any projects? Can I

554
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: reword things better? Also took advantage of the service, you know,

555
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: because they always offer you like career transition service. So

556
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 1: I had my resume rewritten by the internal placement specialists

557
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: and out the external company that they you know how

558
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: they'll give you, you know how, they'll give you like three

559
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: four months of a career transitioning service when you're let go.

560
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I did that.

561
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: This most recent But you weren't technically laid off, were you?

562
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: Or were you?

563
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't, but I was going to be. So I

564
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: didn't get the new role until February fourteenth, So they

565
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: had already prepaid for four months.

566
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Speaker 3: Oh nice, I love a double dip.

567
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: They had already preved for a Yeah, so they actually

568
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: just sent me back the second rewrite of my resume.

569
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Speaker 3: Great, So, were you able to get any of your

570
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: severance payment?

571
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: No, because my last day would have been March twenty eighth.

572
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it was one of those delayed things.

573
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: Okay, god, yeah, yeah so it was. It wasn't right, Yeah,

574
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a slow bar, not

575
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: a slow burn, because it also gave people, you know,

576
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: opportunities to look internal. But yeah, so my last day

577
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: would have been March twenty eighth.

578
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha. Wh I definitely think that you were You

579
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: said that you tried to negotiate the salary. And they

580
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: were stingy about it, right, like no, no, no, no, no.

581
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Speaker 3: Well then and at the same time, like the in

582
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: terms of like traditional negotiating leverage, like they could be like, well,

583
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: you almost didn't have a job.

584
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: So that's exactly what that's exactly, but after what like

585
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly the pleasant corporate response. And I asked like, well, look, man,

586
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: to try. So I'm going to try for trying.

587
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, just because you were

588
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: let go does not mean that you don't have so

589
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: many years of experience, Yeah, not valuable, and like we

590
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: really need to stand in that and not let these

591
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: external like literally some you know, some person in an

592
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Speaker 3: office who had gotten their certificate and data analytics made

593
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Speaker 3: an assessment and they were like yeah, like these dumb

594
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: dumbs at DOGE who were deciding how to you know,

595
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Speaker 3: to trim and trim the.

596
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Speaker 1: Fat and then call them back like it's some dumb dumbs.

597
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes if all brings out, that would be a bad thing.

598
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: We do need people with specialty.

599
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Speaker 3: Doing the shape I'm doing the shave face right, really

600
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: does his face It's great. No, you have to really

601
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: know that in yourself Lakeisha.

602
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Because yeah, I'm trying to work on that. I am, You're.

603
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Getting better at it, and like it's not you know,

604
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: I think you do know that. But in the day

605
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: to day, you're gonna have an encounter with somebody, and

606
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: I mean especially because you're a very open hearted person.

607
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: I can tell, and you're very sweet and kind and like,

608
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: I can see how that could probably impact you to

609
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: have someone sort of treat you some type of way

610
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: because of their perception of like what you deserve and

611
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: don't deserve. But no, we have to really really know

612
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: it within ourselves. And that's why I want you to

613
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: keep those eyes open. Hey, ba fam, we got to

614
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: take a quick break, pay some bills, and we'll be

615
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: right back. Welcome back, bea fam. Let's get back to

616
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: the show. Also, really, I think relationships are going to

617
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: be crucial for anyone in this job market right now.

618
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: I am before you know because you've been you've been

619
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: under my coaching program for years now, but you know

620
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: how how emphatic AM about building relationships, and it's only

621
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: become that much more important in this type of job

622
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: market where there's not as many opportunities. There's a lot

623
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: of qualified talent that's in the job pool, and that

624
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: just means it's more competitive, doesn't mean that you know,

625
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: there's no hope of finding an opportunity. But if you

626
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: want to speed up that process, building those relationships is key.

627
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: And I wanted to spend a little bit of time

628
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: I know where almost at that thirty minute mark, but

629
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Speaker 3: I wanted to know if we could talk about like

630
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: relationship building in this next you know, six months to

631
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: a year and you're already doing great, you're in the

632
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: makers and all that, but what else, how else can

633
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: we continue building some relationships that might help you in

634
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: that on the job search.

635
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Speaker 1: So I did actually pull out all of my manly

636
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: money maker up tools. I did have like difficult conversations.

637
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: It was difficult at first, but telling people, hey, this

638
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: is what's happening being let go and immediately got so

639
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: many referral links. Even people internally were like, hey, do

640
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: you want me to look on my team to see

641
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: if they're openings. So that's the one thing that I

642
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: did that I didn't do the last time, the last layoff.

643
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: I reached out to people and like I said, I

644
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: got so many referral links and so many leads and

645
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: even people who have been with a company that were

646
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: no longer with the company. They were like, well, let

647
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: me connect you with this person that person. Then also,

648
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: when I joined this team, I think the advantage over

649
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Speaker 1: the last time I joined was the last time I

650
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: was the only new person, and like I said, they

651
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: were all long timers. This time there were two other

652
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: people who came in with me, and so I immediately

653
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: reached out like, hey, you know, we're all new, we

654
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: might as well be new together. Do you want to

655
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: form a separate teams chat so we can, you know,

656
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Speaker 1: maybe share our notes with each other, share what we're

657
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: learning with the each other. I've tried to be more

658
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: active on LinkedIn, which you know is challenging for me.

659
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 3: When you were telling people what happened, was it through LinkedIn?

660
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Were you emailing? Texting?

661
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was talking to people in person or

662
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: in like reaching out to them via email, social media.

663
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: So I don't think I ever made the announcement on LinkedIn.

664
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: I did switch my open to work to public, but

665
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: even like, I'm so hesitant, and I know it's horrible,

666
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: but I'm even so hesitant to like utilize my connections,

667
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: like within the sorority. But I was like, hey, so

668
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: we got we got laid off the fourteen news. I know,

669
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: and I know that cheap. Yeah, when we got laid

670
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: off the fourteenth. The next day it was Founder's Day.

671
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: I was with ad events like, hey, so listen while

672
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: we're celebrating, while we're setting it off, and some of

673
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: the people like, whoo, why do you say anything? I like,

674
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: it just happened yesterday. Yeah. So in connections with and

675
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: connections and so that was helpful as well. And I

676
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: will say reaching out with that referral link or even

677
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: having someone to speak to at the company, that also

678
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: made things a lot easier because it's like, well, you know,

679
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a leg up right versus

680
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: somebody they pull off a LinkedIn and a referral link,

681
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: an internal referral link. And I still went to there

682
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: was a network event here not too far after, where

683
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: I still went in person for the company I'm with.

684
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: I still went to the networking event and networked, and

685
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, I know I can do more, but like

686
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: those things were a whole lot for me because I know,

687
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: you know me, I mean.

688
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: No, you did what you could and that's just you

689
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: did something and doing the something. I can coach all

690
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: day and like encourage all day, but you're the one

691
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: who's got to like put your feet on the ground

692
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: and walk into that room. And as someone who you

693
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: know has social anxiety and all the things and introvertedness,

694
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: I get it. It just the fact that you showed

695
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: up and you got out of bed and you put on,

696
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: you know, a face, and you went out there. It's

697
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 3: a beautiful face. Those cheek bones up. Yeah. Well, the

698
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: hair laid back.

699
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm gonna be on camera.

700
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Let me try to try to put on try to

701
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: put on some makeup. Oh no, I did not inherit

702
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: my mother on my sister's skills. When it comes to breaking,

703
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: it's so embarrassing. I'm one of the I'm part of

704
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: the black girls. Can't breed. Uh frigate.

705
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: Breeding this get out of.

706
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Here, mind you. Like I said, I have all sisters

707
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and I still everybody else and I'm just like, no,

708
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: he goes in someone's chair. I'm stimulating the economy. So

709
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm keeping another black business afloat. You are we need

710
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: our Oh so yeah? But uh yeah so, but I

711
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: but to what I can do better? I do remember

712
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: you saying joining like organ like professional organization. So that's that.

713
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Now that things are a little more calm, I'm gonna

714
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: look to do that now.

715
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the spring and summer's coming along. You don't

716
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: have to you know, you could join or not join,

717
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: but just go, you know, and just be open to

718
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: those Yeah, open to what could possibly happen. And I know,

719
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: before I go into any like you know, quote unquote

720
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: networking event now or even I was at a friend's

721
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: like house party a while back, I didn't really know anybody,

722
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: not a while, a couple of weeks ago, and before

723
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: I walked in, I just said, open smile, open heart,

724
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: open mind, be open to the love you're about to

725
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: receive because you deserve it, and you bring good energy

726
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: and people are going to be excited to meet you.

727
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: And I think when we go in with that kind

728
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: of energy, it stops us from like closing in and

729
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: then yeah, this wall that people can feel, and it

730
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: just sort of like you manifest that reality for yourself.

731
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: You're afraid people are not going to want to connect

732
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: with you, and then you go in with that energy

733
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: and they don't, and.

734
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: It's like a self sufferent like I knew it kind

735
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: of thing.

736
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: There you go, self fulfilling, prophecy, self sabotage, all those things. Yeah, okay, well,

737
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm really proud of you. I'm so relieved to hear

738
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: that you were able to eke out a recovery. You know,

739
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: got that role, even though I know it's not necessarily

740
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: the raise you wanted or the the yeah, the compensation

741
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: that you probably deserve. But at the same time, she

742
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: lives to fight another.

743
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Day, right, And I'll never I'll never not be grateful

744
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: for that. All the other stuff we can work on

745
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: because there's still some people on my team looking so

746
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I like trying to help, Like, hey, have you looked

747
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: at that? Have you looked at that? That is the

748
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: only thing that I think I had. This is like

749
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: the best team that I've worked on in my working

750
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: in my adult career. Everybody messed so well. We just

751
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: had to have one grumpy person but like that's fine.

752
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: If you needed help, he was so happy help you.

753
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be happy about it, but he was gonna

754
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: help you. But uh yeah, so that's yeah. So it's

755
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: just one last person we need to find a job.

756
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Everybody else is like found something somewhere else. But yeah,

757
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: now the things.

758
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: Are for you to stay in tune with them and

759
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: like you.

760
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah journey yeah for sures Like ultimately, hey,

761
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: like everybody has to needs to or wants to work,

762
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: and the ones that don't need to are like the

763
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: ones that are taking early retirement.

764
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean you don't know where they're going

765
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: to end up, and you know, if the tables are

766
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: turned and maybe have something for.

767
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: You next time, yeah for sure.

768
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. So just I feel like, go forward knowing that

769
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: it's okay for you to keep looking. It doesn't have

770
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: to be your full time job, but just do what. Honestly,

771
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: if you just keep doing what you're doing, that will

772
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: make you like so much more resilient and capable of

773
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: having good things happen to you because you're staying open

774
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: to them. You're putting yourself out there, You're making these connections,

775
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: and honestly, in a job market like this, that is

776
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: the That's what people don't necessarily want to hear, but

777
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: that is the edge. Yeah, you're going to get is

778
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: your connections in a time like this, and you're in

779
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: a really great position where you're not building brand new

780
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: ones right now like you're you're nurturing existing relationships that

781
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: you've already been building. So I hope you're feeling more.

782
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: I don't know tell me how you're feeling now, but

783
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: I hope that you're leaving this call feeling proud and

784
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: confident in your values that you can go forward and

785
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: do what you gotta do.

786
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean always, it's a pleasure. Thanks for letting

787
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: me be one of the first, one of the first people.

788
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: And how to go live it's okay, yeah, once.

789
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: I figured that out right, And thanks for Like every

790
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: tool that I've pulled out is something that I learned

791
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: from being in the Mandy money Makers. So because I

792
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: can't say that I would have had that same approach

793
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: before being a part of the group. Before being part

794
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: of the group, you know what, I would still be

795
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: at the same toxic because I don't know, if you

796
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: remember my team was you were the person that's like, yay,

797
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: you should you should probably leave. Like when we had

798
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: our first one on one, you say, so what are

799
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: you doing about leaving?

800
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you.

801
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: Should probably leave. Through the coaching and then like simple

802
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: things that are simple, but things I wasn't even thinking

803
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: of like a refreshed professional LinkedIn photo and refreshing the resume.

804
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Within three weeks, probably three and a half weeks of

805
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: looking from our one on one call, I had found

806
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: the position at this company and it was something that

807
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: I would have never applied for. So just about every

808
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: tool in my box I got from being a maker

809
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: is not a paid advertisement, everybody, Yeah, honestly, ain't. Nobody

810
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: can pay here hashtag not an AD, but it's very true.

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00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: Also that should just show you that you are valuable

812
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: and that you do have these skills, because sometimes putting

813
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 3: yourself out there in the marketplace like that's when you

814
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: can build that confidence because look how quickly you got

815
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: that role. So I'm just I'm really proud of you.

816
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: I'm happy that you're a Mandy money Maker, and I'm

817
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: glad that we had this time together.

818
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Anybody tuning in thinking about being

819
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: a maker, you should totally join. I guess that's not

820
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: an AD, but it's been very valuable for me.

821
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: If you want to find out about the Mandy Moneymakers,

822
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: you can go to Mandy money dot com. Also, I

823
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: have a free career clarity workbook. Have you done the workbook?

824
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Yet it's like the long question I don't think I

825
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: have now that I'm not a scatter rain, I need

826
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: to go down to go through that.

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Speaker 3: It's very it's very deep. It's like a journal almost,

828
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: it's very deep. But the Career Clarity Workbook it's free.

829
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Speaker 3: It's a free download. Twenty eight questions to help you

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Speaker 3: build confidence, to pivot, upscale and take your career to

831
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Speaker 3: the next level on your own terms. Check that out.

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Speaker 3: Guest Lakeisha, thank you so much, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much, Bye girl, take care, bye by everyone.

834
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: Thanks Mandy, okay Va fam, thank you so much for

835
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: listening to this week's show. I want to shout out

836
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: to our production team, Courtney, our editor, Carla, our fearless

837
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Speaker 3: leader for idea to launch productions. I want to shout

838
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: out my assistant Lauda Escalante and Cameron McNair for helping

839
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: me put the show together. It is not a one

840
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: person project, as much as I have tried to make

841
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: it so these past ten years. I need help, y'all,

842
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: and thank goodness I've been able to put this team

843
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: around me to support me on this journey. And to

844
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: y'all bea fam. I love you, so so so so much.

845
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: Please rate, review, subscribe. Make sure you're signed up to

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Speaker 3: the newsletter to get all the latest updates on upcoming episodes,

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Speaker 3: our tenth year anniversary celebrations to come, and until next time,

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Speaker 3: talk to you soon via bye.