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If you are a new just 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: download the fan Duel sports Book app to get started now. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Signed up with promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: sent you. What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff Three 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and Out podcast? How are we doing? A lot of 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: you guys have been asking firing in my d M 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: S tweet that me, where is the podcast? John? What 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: are you doing? I need some football content? And the 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: U I said, you know, I've been just detached from 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: reality like a football coach like Shanahan, Andy Belichick, McVeigh, 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: you name it. We would's what's O t s? And 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: we kind of detached. Now they have trading camp starts 20 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: in late July. I have podcasts that need to happen 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: when news breaks and news broke, several things happened. One 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: I've been waiting to put out on Friday, but because 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: of the news that happened with Baker Mayfield, I said, 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: you know what, we will grab the MacBook Pro, we 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: will grab my microphone and we will press record, and 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: we will speak words into a computer and put it 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: out to the people today because I got some things 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: I need to get off my chest, partly because Baker 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Mayfield was traded in USC and U C l A 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: were uh not traded, they actively left, which you know, 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I'll dive into it in depth, but I'm probably one 32 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: of the very few people that for a living in 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the sports umbrella who truly care about the PAC twelve 34 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: who it means a lot to because a lot of people, 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: let's face it, the talk for a living, it feels 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: like they're north north from the northeast, Northeast elites as 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: I call them, maybe even the south to um US 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: West Coasters like me, Coward and Gottlieb, you don't care 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: about West Coast sports. I mean, we just do. Like 40 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: Doug said, I'm like one of the only guys that 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: talked about the charges for ten years Colin's been talking 42 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: about Seattle Seahawks right, I mean before they were even popular. 43 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: So us he was on USC Trojans fifteen years ago. 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: And uh, the Pac twelve means a lot to me. 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: But we'll dive into it all. But we gotta start 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, who again at Jim Middlecoff is my 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Instagram fire in those d ms will probably have a 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: middle Coff mail back out this uh this weekend, so 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: we'll we'll get back on the train. Get back on 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: the train. We got bills to pay, you know, can't 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: be out for too long. Uh. As well as uh 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback national champion actually drafted by 53 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: the New York Jets once upon a time. Uh uh 54 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: will be on Monday. He'll talk to him last week, 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: he'll he'll come on. I never understand why people people 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: always like, how are we gonna tell people when the interview, Like, 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll just tell him we interviewed him 58 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Who cares? People in radio always love 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: acting like something's live when it's not live. Like that's 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: that's not really how I roll. We hang our hat 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: like one thing I agree with Draymond Green authenticity. You know, 62 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: people in the media have always loved lying to you. 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I talked to Greg mclroy last week. 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: We'll play it in on Monday. You know, it's not 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: that complicated, pretty easy. But I think the old school 66 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: thought is like, pretend it's live. Well it's not live. 67 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: We talked to him two weeks ago. About seven things 68 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: have happened since. So when you're Greg McElroy, that was 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: before the USC and U c l a uh defection. 70 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that could be considered that. But 71 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: let's start with Baker Mayfield. A lot of different angles here. 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: Let's just start with the Carolina Panthers acquiring Baker Mayfield. 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: For I think when I read a fifth round pick 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: and he he took a three million dollar pay cut. 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: The Browns are eating ten million of it. Panthers are 76 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: paying them like three and a half on the most 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: basic element of any business transaction. And the National Football 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: League is a business, and they are acquiring players who 79 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: are assets, who make money, who go under the salary camp. 80 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: We all understand that the profit is not made on 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: what you sell something for, it's what you pay for it. 82 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: It's why if you sold a house last year for 83 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: a million dollars, you didn't like, your profit wasn't in 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: the million dollars sale, it was, Oh, you bought it 85 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven for three seventy dollars, so you 86 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: made six hundred dollars profit. You made that profit because 87 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: of what you purchased it for, not what you sold 88 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: it for. And I think a lot of people get 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: that kind of convoluted in their head that profits are 90 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: made at the point of sale. Right right now, we 91 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: are in recession, depend on how you just find it. 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: Whatever economic chaos is ensuing right the stock market is 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: in I mean, I think had the worst six months 94 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: in like only other five times in American history. So 95 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: you could say, well, in ten years, there are gonna 96 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: be several of these stocks that have become ten baggers, 97 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: twenty baggers, and people are gonna be like, oh my god, 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: I should have bought this. Well, you have the opportunity 99 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: right now, and honestly, it could get worse. So don't 100 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: be the guy complaining in five years, because you can 101 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: make the purchase on something right now for really cheap. 102 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: Just a reality, and Baker Mayfield could have been had 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: for nothing, and the entire league has been saying for 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: a long period of time they didn't think it was 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: worth it. Now, like a lot of the stocks on 106 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: the stock market, Hell, I've been reinvesting a lot over 107 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: the last six months as things have gone down. I'm 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: gonna lose some money. I'm okay with that, but I 109 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: promise you this, I'm gonna hit a couple of ten baggers. 110 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact, at minimum one, it's 111 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: going to happen. And if you take enough swings and 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I'll get the Carolina Panthers credit on this. They've traded 113 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: for two guys in back to back years. Now. Last 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: year they gave a second round pick, partly because Donald's 115 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: value was higher, but he was the third pick in 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the draft, And now they're trading for a pick the 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: for the guy that was picked number one overall. So 118 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: what it took to get acquired these guys four years 119 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: ago you had to pay premiums for Now we have information. 120 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: Since Sam Donald has been a disaster. Now you can 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: blame it on the coaching. Baker Mayfield has actually had 122 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: some positive moments, but clearly I think we questioned do 123 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: his teammates like him? Does he get along with people. 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: What's his deal? Bro? But the reality has both these 125 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: guys once upon a time were valued like a lot 126 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of money. If you put it into a just financial terms, 127 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: they were worth a million dollars. Well, same Donald last 128 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: year has had for what seven hundred grand? What did 129 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: they just get Baker Mayfield for the equivalent? If he 130 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: was once a million dollar home a hundred thousand dollars, 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: they got him for nothing. Now, unlike the home analogy, 132 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: it's not that black and white because ultimately these people 133 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: need to get along and it's going to be complicated. 134 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: But I do understand taking a swing for a guy 135 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: when you're paying nothing and letting two guys there were 136 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: once valued very very highly. One went to Oklahoma dominated, 137 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: the other one to USC had their only bright moment 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: of the last decade and dominated. And I was a 139 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: big Sam Donald fan. I might be wrong. I actually 140 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield a lot. I thought he was the 141 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: next Drew Brees. Clearly I'm wrong because part of Drew 142 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Brees was the guy, and I think we questioned Baker 143 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Mayfield the guy. I don't his own team, does his 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: own front office does like That's not an opinion that's 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: a fact. But the Carolina Panthers, let's face it, they're desperate. 146 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: What's the famous saying is if you have two quarterbacks, 147 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: you actually have none. That is kind of where they're at. 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: And I'll say right now, I think Matt Rule is 149 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: much more likely to be coaching at U c l 150 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: A next year than he is the Carolina Panthers. So 151 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: if that's the situation you're in, you're on somewhat of 152 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: quote unquote a sinking ship, you might as well take 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: a swing. And there isn't any swings to really be had. 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: Be is Ultimately, they were in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. 155 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: They got lucky, they didn't get into that thing, and 156 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: ultimately their owner balked because he wasn't gonna pay the money. 157 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: So this is easily their next best option, him or 158 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Now I think that Jimmy Garoppolo think you know, 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo is more expensive. There's way more money. Like 160 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: they're paying three million dollars for Baker Mayfield. Jimmy Garoppolo's 161 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: his salary is twenty seven million dollars. So I don't 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: think there's any way form or fashion, they would be 163 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: able to get Jimmy Garoppolo for three million dollars. So 164 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: if you look at through a vacuum of business sense, 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: I get it. Now. Ultimately, is this gonna work. I 166 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: don't see how it's possible for it to work because 167 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: it's one thing in college, and even in college now 168 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: these guys have the chance to transfer. You get two 169 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the same room. One guy wins the job, 170 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: the other guy immediately quits. He immediately leaves, And we 171 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: can argue over whether it's right or wrong. It's just 172 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: the reality of what happens now. When you don't win 173 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the job in college football, you immediately transfer. It's why 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks in like three or four years, 175 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have whole crops of guys that played on 176 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: three teams. It used to happen way less because you 177 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: had to sit out. Now they don't have to sit 178 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: out now. Ultimately, Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald, they don't 179 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: win the job, they're not just gonna quit. They're gonna 180 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: be the backup. But it's just neither one of these 181 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: guys have ever been the backup before. They've both been 182 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: immediate starters at the moment they got in the league, 183 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: and they both you know, Baker Mayfield started for three 184 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: years for Lincoln, Riley Sam Donald started for several years 185 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: at USC. They've been a starter their entire life. So 186 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: are they equipped to just transition into that win in 187 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: their mind because they are still young? Do they believe 188 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: that they are backups? But like, what else do they 189 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: have the risk? I mean, Matt Rule's job, He's probably 190 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: gonna get fired anyway, so this was his best option 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: that wasn't gonna cost that much money because they don't 192 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: have that much money or draft picks play with, and 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,119 Speaker 1: there's not anyone else to mess with beside Jimmy Garoppolo, 194 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: who costs way more because of salary. Even with Baker 195 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: Mayfield taking a little bit of a pay cut, is 196 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: still ten million dollar. There is more at seven million dollars, 197 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: So I think the Browns, if they do strike oil, 198 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: they will have struck it for very, very cheap. Now 199 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: again with the housing analogy, both these guys contracts are 200 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: over because they're in their fifth year options, so there 201 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: are more variables here, But like, what what else are 202 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: they supposed to do? I don't think Caroline is gonna 203 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: be very good. I would be shocked if this quarterback 204 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: situation is very smooth. Now these guys would technically know 205 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: each other a little bit just because the draft process. 206 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: They're both in the combine at the same time. Uh Now, 207 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: they're from different parts. You know, Baker grew up in Texas, 208 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: Sam grew up in California. But you know, I think 209 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: both these guys have a shipload on the line. Their 210 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: careers are on the line because whoever doesn't win the job, 211 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: let's face it, is going to be just viewed as 212 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: a backup quarterback moving forward. And whoever does win the job, 213 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: if he's not good, the other guy will get a 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: chance to play in his career will be also viewed 215 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback. So basically, the only way one 216 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: of these you guys is not viewed as a backup 217 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: quarterback moving forward is he has to win the job 218 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: and then play well. Any other outcome is a disaster 219 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: for really both guys because the other guys on the bench. 220 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: So it's just you know, they paid nothing, and I'm 221 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: always for taking risks on assets when you don't pay 222 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: much money. It's why listen, right now, the housing market 223 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: things are coming back to earth. It's why people like, 224 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: why have you moved yet? Because I waited. Now. I'm 225 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: not nostre damas. I didn't know this was gonna happen. 226 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: But I had people mentoring me that said, listen, I've 227 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: been in this business for a while. Things go up 228 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: and things go down, and everyone's like things will never 229 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: come down again. It's like pick up a history book 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: means go go to Google. They can go up things 231 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: now are they gonna crash? Like? Oh a no. But 232 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: it's like if I told you a year ago stop 233 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: buying stocks, save your money, you'd be like, are you crazy? 234 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Up up up up? Hell, I bought into that. Look 235 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: what happened down down, down, down down. So I like 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: eying things when they're down in general. Now, of course, 237 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: to get elite players, you have to pay premiums, like 238 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: you're not. You know, you want to get Kevin Durant, 239 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: you gotta pay a lot of money. You know you 240 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: want to get Nick bos So, you gotta pay a 241 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: lot of money. You want to trade for Cleil Mack, 242 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: you gotta pay a lot of money. But those guys 243 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: are out liars. Most things go up and they go down. 244 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: In the quarterback situation. When you're desperate, you gotta think. 245 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is thinking outside the box, 246 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: but you gotta do some risky ship because ultimately I 247 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: would bet against this working. I do not see Sam 248 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: Donald and Baker Mayfield being some like quarterback tandem. This 249 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: isn't college football. That's not how it works. And ultimately 250 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: I would bet on Matt rule. This would be in 251 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: his last season in Carolina. I mean, I don't expect 252 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: him to like be some long term guy there. Now 253 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: we'll see the NFC a little more open now, but yeah, 254 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be shocked. 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There are so many angles of this. 288 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: On the most basic level, I just asked the question 289 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: because when you see the story and listen, I was shocked, 290 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: like I would say most people, was like what USC 291 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: and U c l are leaving before you even like 292 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: factory and like, well the TV money and the have 293 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: a new sharing. All you see is the little kid 294 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: in me. Because again this is sometimes why I need 295 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: a detached from sports, because I looked through everything, through 296 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: the venue, through the lens of money, and how it 297 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: impacts the business, how it impacts my business angles I'm 298 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it instead of just being like the 299 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: little kid of like damn, that's crazy. USC and U 300 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: c l A Are no longer gonna play Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, 301 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: Washington State, cal Stanford. They're gonna play Illinois, Maryland, Rutgers, Michigan, 302 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Michigan State, Like, that's kind of crazy, And that was 303 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: I think most people's first reaction before it's like, well, 304 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: if you had the Fox revenue sharing and the the 305 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: TV market, and again that's ultimately where I go to. 306 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: But on my first reaction, I'm sure like you was, 307 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: holy sh it, that's wild. Then after I take a 308 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: deep breath, it's something i've as I've gotten older. And 309 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: this is why I've been listening to Coward for twenty years. 310 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: And one of his big things back in his uh, 311 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: back when he was becoming a star. You know, it's like, 312 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: who's this Colin Coward guy. He's got a lot of 313 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: interesting because I remember like being like late in college 314 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: because he was very smart and he used to have 315 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: this thing say, take the emotion out of it, and 316 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: as you get older, you have to do that. The 317 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: number one advice I would give anyone starting a business 318 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: involved in their own business as an employee for a 319 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: business is the faster you can learn to take the 320 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: emotion out of it, the faster you can kind of 321 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: play this rig game that we're all in in the 322 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: world of capitalism, because when you get emotional, it's one 323 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: thing to be emotional with your family, and even that 324 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta separate it. But in business, the faster 325 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: you can take the emotion out of it, the faster 326 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: you can get clarity and figure out what's going on. 327 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: So after the initial sticker shock, which I'm not I'm 328 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: acknowledging that I had, I feel like a little kid. 329 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: I was piste off, like they're leaving us. Why would 330 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: they do this? The Trojans. Screw you, U c l A. 331 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: I used to love you. You can't leave this conference. 332 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Once it took a deep breath, you realize does it 333 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: really matter? Honestly, just say it out loud? Does it 334 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: really matter? And I think the conclusion I've come to 335 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: now i'm recording this chill lie six whatever, we're a 336 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: weak removed, maybe a little less is. I don't know 337 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: if it really does, because I used to think when 338 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: I worked in radio, we had the Raiders, and that 339 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: was when the Raiders were trying to move to l 340 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: A and l A and the league said, you're not 341 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: gonna be allowed to move here. You and Dean like, 342 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, Dean, You're gonna have to go on Cronky's backside. 343 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: But you're not coming here with Raiders find another home. 344 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: And I'll give well Mark credit. Ultimately, Jerry Jones, the 345 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: league helped set them up. But they got to Vegas, 346 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: and I remember a lot of people around here, including myself, 347 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: because again I had a bias, I had an agenda, 348 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: I was in the business. I didn't want to lose them. 349 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: I like to having two teams in my backyard. Was like, 350 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: this is gonna fail, this is gonna work. You're screwing 351 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: the people. Years later, the smartest thing they ever did. 352 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: It actually helped the franchise survive because they would not 353 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: have survived around here, and obviously they weren't allowed to 354 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: go to l A. And I was probably as loud 355 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: and as big of a critic for the teams moving 356 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: to l A as anybody. Because I've lived thirty five 357 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: in my thirty seven years in the state of California. 358 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I know the way our people think, I know the 359 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: way West Coast people are wired. I've lived in the Northeast. 360 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: I just know how different we are, even though I 361 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: personally have some similarities, but for most of us were 362 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: a lot different than out there. Now. We do love 363 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: pro sports, but ultimately we love winners. And why the 364 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: Rams have succeeded twofold one, their venue is remarkable. Haven't 365 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: gone to that thing? It is It's might be the 366 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: coolest stadium I've ever been to. And two they one 367 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: and they've won big, multiple super Bowls. They've won a 368 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They basically make the playoffs every year. Uh, 369 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: they become a powerhouse. And when you become a powerhouse 370 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: and you have an unreal venue, you'll win in the West, 371 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: You'll succeed in the West coast, and they have immediately, 372 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: So I gotta take the else. The Vegas thing has 373 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: gone really well. If they get a new owner in there, 374 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: that thing would be a rocket ship in l A. 375 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: Couldn't have gone any smoother. Now we can argue over 376 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: the Chargers. I don't think I think they should stay 377 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: in San Diego, but Dean's too cheap. That's a whole 378 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: another canon worms bottom line, the Rams have succeeded and 379 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: the Chargers succeeded enough so it's worked. So I don't 380 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: claim to always be right, but ultimately it shows like 381 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: most people, the average person that covers the NFL is 382 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: like this is stupid because at the time, it's like, 383 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: why just leave him in St. Louis, leave him in 384 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: San Diego, leave him in Oakland. But they made moves 385 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: because in business you have to be progressive. You can't 386 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: hold on to the things in the past. You have 387 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: to think about the future. Asked Blockbuster, they didn't. They 388 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: weren't forward thinking. When Netflix asked if they could merge, 389 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: they got wiped the you know what out. But they're 390 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: not alone. That happens to a lot of companies. The 391 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: brick and mortar is anything more in they have a 392 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: bigger threat over the next twenty years than brick and 393 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: mortar businesses. We do all of our business on the Internet. 394 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: It's why even as these Internet stocks crumble, the biggest 395 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: difference in two thousand twenty two, then when the big 396 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Internet crash happened in two thousand twenty the Internet had 397 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: never really existed to the common civilian in two thousand 398 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: twenty two. Our life revolves around the Internet. So even 399 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: as quote unquote things crashed, it's never gonna go away. 400 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: And it's when it does the economy does come storming back, 401 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: it's only gonna come back stronger. All of our business 402 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: is gonna be based on the Internet. That's where we 403 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: that's where our commerce goes, and we'll only go more 404 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: moving forward. I tell people all the time, like my 405 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: generation on thirty seven and people younger than me, We're 406 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: gonna buy all of our cars on the internet. We're 407 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: gonna buy all of our homes on the internet. All 408 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: the purchases that my parents would never in a million 409 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: years have made on the internet. We're always We're gonna 410 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: do them all on the internet. That's not an opinion either. 411 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a borderline fact. It's it's inevitable. And 412 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: I think change in sports, because so much money is 413 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: on the line, is also inevitable. Now that doesn't mean 414 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: we can't go this sucks, because I think it does suck. 415 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: But I think once you take a step back, once 416 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: you take a deep breath, like Collins says, take the 417 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: emotion out of it, you go I get it because 418 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: ultimately usc and it's been talked about now, which ironically 419 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: has sucked for a decade. But now they got Lincoln Riley, 420 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna be good. And when they're good, they're a 421 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: power and they carry the com It's like Utah is 422 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: an unreal story. Kyle Whittie Ham is a badass. Their 423 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: program produces people to the NFL. They just don't matter 424 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: that much. Oregon, which is basically Oklahoma State, but even 425 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: better because they have like they're in the middle of nowhere. 426 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: But they have this guy named Phil Knight who has 427 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: unlimited money because he runs I guess he quote unquote 428 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: doesn't anymore, but obviously has funded that program and taking 429 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: them to high highs. Their value on the open market 430 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: isn't that great. Again, that's not an opinion. We just 431 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: saw the Big Ten. They valued u c l A 432 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: more than Oregon. Where you go look at Oregon's football 433 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: program just the last two decades, it's not even comparable 434 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: to U c l A. But having U c l 435 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: A around another basketball program is good. And in theory, 436 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: if they were to get rid of Chip, who has 437 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: no chance. Chip Kelly has zero chance to survive, excel 438 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: or win in the big town. To me, the only 439 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: move and listen. They thought about firing him last year, 440 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: but he wont eight games and a ship conference. Chip 441 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: Kelly will not be the head coach when they go 442 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: into the Big Ten. That is my prediction right now. 443 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: July six two. Zero chance. He does not match up 444 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: well against physical defenses. It makes no sense. Lincoln Riley 445 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: completely higher level, much more. I mean he's just been 446 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: winning more lately. Jizan won really in the two thousand 447 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: tents till last year when the conference is really down. 448 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: Now here was the main problem with the Pack twelve. 449 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: This guy I was listening to his interview, this guy 450 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: named Chris got her up. He is a star golfer 451 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma who just turned pro and he played for 452 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: He actually started at Rutgers. He's from New Jersey, went 453 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: to Oklahoma for a year. One basically the equivalent of 454 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy for golfers. It's like the Haskins Award, 455 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the Nicholas Award. He won all the awards, he would 456 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: be the equivalent of like the number one overall pick. 457 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: He's award winner, star player, you know, like Scottie Scheffler, 458 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: Jordan's speed, like that level guy going right to the pros. 459 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: And I heard him on this interview about at Oklahoma 460 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: when they flew to you know, tournaments that most of 461 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: their tournaments were in like the South and the Southwest. 462 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: He said, we would take the private jet, as in 463 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: the private jet that Lincoln Riley, Bob Stoops and now 464 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Venables takes for the football team, and they asked him 465 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: is that normal, and he said, well, from what I've 466 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: been told is most of the SEC golf teams do 467 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: the same. They fly on private jets to their tournaments. 468 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: And PAT twelve always hung their hat on like we 469 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: are more into the entire athletic program. We're more into 470 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: the as much as football as the Olympic sports. That 471 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: was Larry Scott's big deal. Larry Scott was an ivy 472 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 1: league elite from Harvard who played tennis. Love the Olympic sports, 473 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of the presidents in the PAC twelve 474 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: idolized that too, because they're they're into academia. They love 475 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: a good white board, a good supply demand. This is 476 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: how it works in a textbook. Well, it's not exactly 477 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: how it works in reality, because in reality, all the 478 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: Olympic sports lose money. Not one of them make a penny. 479 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: The football programs pay for everything, and the SEC put 480 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: all their chips into the middle of the table on 481 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: football and they have dominated. Now obviously Nick Saban has 482 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: led it, but SEC programs the last how many years 483 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: beside Alabama, Georgia National champion, l s U National champion, 484 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: other programs are winning national championships, and because of that, 485 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: the conference has financially gone to a completely different level. 486 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: And now the basketball programs in the SEC are equivalent 487 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: to the Big Ten and the Pack twelve because they 488 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: have the money to pay for top coaches. Well, also, 489 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: the Olympic sports. Did you see the baseball the College 490 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: World Series? Who was there a bunch of SEC programs. 491 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: The SEC is going to dominate at all the Olympic sports. 492 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: Why they're gonna have the most money to pay for 493 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: of the top coaches. They're gonna have the most money 494 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: to pay for the n il guys to get the 495 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,479 Speaker 1: best water pole player, to get to get the best golfer, 496 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: to get the best baseball player. That is just a reality. 497 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: And the Pack twelve was obsessed with putting volleyball games 498 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: and softball games and soccer games on their network when 499 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the SEC was obsessed with winning national championships in football, 500 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: because when they did that, everyone else benefited under the 501 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: umbrella because without football, Title nine just celebrated their fiftieth 502 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: anniversary in America. Do you know the first thing Title 503 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: nine should have done is send a thank you letter 504 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: to every football program in America because without the football programs, 505 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: no one could finance any of this stuff. And I'm 506 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: probe Title nine. Hell, I probably have three girls when 507 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I have kids, and and they help might not even 508 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: be athletes, but if they were, they would benefit if 509 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: they played college sports from Title nine. But none of 510 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: those sports, none of them could financially exist without football. 511 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: And the Pact twelve has never got that their presidents 512 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: are consumed with academia. You can tell me, well, the 513 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: Big ten loves academia too. They clearly care a shipload 514 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: more about sports because Ohio State at Michigan and Michigan 515 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: State at Wisconsin Iowa, they would never operate like Cal. 516 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: And I've lived in northern California large percentage of my life. 517 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: My grandpa taught at CAL. I see the way Stanford operates. 518 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: Stanford was a top five program like basically the last 519 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: year of hardball, in the first three or four years 520 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: of David Shaw, top five in the country in football, 521 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: and they couldn't get ten thousand people to show up. 522 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: Last year. In two thousand twenty one, Cal played a 523 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: game against Arizona, who was a winless football program, and 524 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: they couldn't travel half their team because of COVID policies, 525 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: not by the university but because of the city of Berkeley, 526 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: and they lost the game. It was Arizona's only win 527 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: of the season. That is what this conference is dealing with. 528 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: And obviously it's not all the commissioner's fault that some 529 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: of the programs have slipped, But a reality is this 530 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: conference who I love. I grew up loving and I 531 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: used to be nostalgic about. Now I ultimately don't care 532 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: because if you tell me USC is playing in Wisconsin, 533 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm there. I end up watching more of US or 534 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: more of the SEC than I do the Pack twelve. Well, 535 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: it's better football, And ultimately I watched what the consumer watches, 536 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: and I see the television ratings. People are not watching 537 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve. So I have to care what you 538 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: have to care about. And ultimately, the thing you have 539 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: to learn in life is that the only person truly 540 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: who cares about you professionally is you, and you should 541 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: keep a very very small circle. My circle in life 542 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: is like my mom, my grandparents are all passed away, 543 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: my dad's passed away, so it's basically my mom, my brother, 544 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: and his family, a small percentage of friends. I mean, 545 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: if they needed. Hey, John, I'm something happen. You got 546 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: I need twenty dollars. There'd be a handful of people 547 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I would I would vet I guess you can't bend mother, 548 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: Max h four, you know, five gs. But however I 549 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: would get them the cash. And then there are two 550 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: or three people that I'm in business with, actually just 551 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: basically two Colin Coward, Guy Harman. Other than that, I'd 552 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: be loyal to zero people, absolutely zero, if something I 553 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: had that determine my future in my financial success. So 554 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't blame USC and u c l A for 555 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: not giving a shit about Oregon, for not thinking twice 556 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: about Arizona, for not worrying about Stanford, because you got 557 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: to worry about yourself, because they have been attached to 558 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: those programs and they've been sinking them. Now, you could 559 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: argue that u c l as football program is under 560 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: achieve for two decades. USC just had the worst tenure 561 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: stretch in the program history. That's true, But your value 562 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: is based on in your lowest moment, what are you 563 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: still worth? And and their lowest moment, Now you could 564 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: argue it's not quite their lowest moment because U c 565 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: l A hit a home run Hyron mccronin. Even though 566 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: I read this article in the in the l A 567 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: Times that the U c l A athletic program hundred 568 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: million dollars in debt. There they're running budget red figures 569 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars over the last three years. Think about that. 570 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what cal looks like. And USC 571 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: has a big time disaster. They've been getting sued, but 572 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: they got Mick cronin and Lincoln Riley, and once U 573 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: c l A gets the big ten money, they can 574 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: hire a real, big time football coach. Jiff Kelly used 575 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: to be that. He no longer is not. He was 576 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,239 Speaker 1: that in two thousand nine and two thousand ten. It's 577 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: two twenty two. Times have changed. It's Lincoln Riley. Now 578 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: it's hell Ryan Day. You know, it's saving Kirby Jimbo 579 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: like it's living in real times. So I think that 580 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: ultimately the Pact twelve their two biggest brands, and they 581 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: are the two biggest brands. You would say Stanford is close. 582 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: But when I think of Stanford and I would put 583 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: Calendar this umbrella to They are elite universities. You think 584 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: about them like you would Harvard Penn or Princeton. The 585 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: first thing, when I say Stanford, you don't think John Elway, 586 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: you think academics. It's an incredible school. All these schools 587 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: and that I'm talking about all denied me. I would 588 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: have no chance to get into any of them. None 589 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: of them. And that was twenty years ago. Let alone. 590 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: Now they wouldn't they rip up my application, because they 591 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: rip up most people's application. Cal is the hardest public 592 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: university to get into in the world. When I think 593 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: of the top academic universities. Again, I'm biased. I'm a 594 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: West Coast guy. I would choose Stanford. I wouldn't even 595 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: hesitate over all the Ivy League schools. But we're talking 596 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: athletics here, and USC takes football very seriously. U c 597 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: l A takes basketball very seriously. Those programs just don't 598 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: ultimately Oregon, they really care about sports, but the Big 599 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: Ten doesn't value their national reach for whatever reason. To me, 600 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Washington I see get thrown in a lot in just 601 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: this conversation. I think they're a little overvalued. This isn't night. 602 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 1: I actually did think Washington for the most part, their 603 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: football program had a stretch of like four years with 604 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, who they lucked into. Other than that, they 605 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: have been a joke, an absolute clown show. I mean 606 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: the highlight was like start going seven and five with 607 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: some big recruits. In the two thousands, they were terrible 608 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: Washington State and Oregon State. Listen. I enjoyed both those 609 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: two campuses, but ultimately they're irrelevant, and I just don't 610 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: know if the PAC twelve really cares that much. I 611 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: heard a rumor last night that the Stanford would be cool, 612 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: would just go on Olympic Sports only, maybe doing some 613 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: deal with the IVY League and just kind of cutting football. 614 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Does cal really like football that much? I don't know. They, 615 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: like I said, they didn't allow players to travel, not 616 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: because they tested positive, but because they were in close 617 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: contact in the fall of two thousand one, the rest 618 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: of the country was rocking and rolling pedal to the metal. 619 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: So it's like, do they really care? I don't know. 620 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: I would say they don't. And ultimately it feels like 621 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: we're headed towards this NFL model of like two conferences, 622 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: and it pisces a lot of people off because they're 623 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: holding onto the past. Which Listen, when I was a kid, 624 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: the Giants played the Atlanta Braves. They were in the 625 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: same division. The forty niners were in the division of 626 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. This is when I was like a 627 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: ten ten years old in the mid nineties. Think about 628 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: saying that out loud. Things change, and you know, eventually 629 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: there is some sticker shock the immediate change. And I'm 630 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: not saying I love it, because obviously rivalries had been 631 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: broken when I in turn, I have a picture in 632 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: my office right now of the game when uh Todd Reesing, 633 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: who was the quarterback for the Kansas football team when 634 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: Mark Mangino was their quarterback, played Missouri, whose quarterback was 635 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: Chased Daniel. At the time college game day came, the 636 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: game was at Arrowhead. It was I think they were third, 637 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: fourth in the nation. Kansas Missouri was a huge rivalry. Well, 638 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Missouri went to the SEC. That rivalry ended. Texas Texas 639 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: and m right didn't mean that much to me. But 640 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: obviously that rivalry ended. But ultimately a lot of these 641 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: rivalries aren't ending. U s C, U C. L A 642 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: is gonna keep playing, Texas, Oklahoma gonna keep playing. If 643 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: if people like what happens to the Apple Cup, Washington 644 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: State and Washington keep planning didn't mean that much last year. No, 645 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean Washington, both Washington, Washingtonate fire their coaches in 646 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: the middle of the season. What are we talking about? 647 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: So when you value the wrong things, and the Pact 648 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: twelve did because they were obsessed with Olympic sports when 649 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: the worst thing you could ever do for the Olympic 650 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Sports was cared too much about them. Care more about 651 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: football and they will benefit when you have something in 652 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: your business that makes a lot of money. Double down, 653 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: triple down, quadruple down. That's what the SEC did with football, 654 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: and that's why they're running circles around everyone right now. 655 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: The PAC twelve with the opposite because they hired an 656 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: anti football tennis player who drove this, who thought he 657 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: was a visionary because they could run the network on 658 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: their own. Hey, Arey, you don't have the fan. This 659 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: is an Alabama, Florida and Georgia Stanford fans won't even 660 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: show up when they're third in the country. You think 661 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna go out of their way to buy the 662 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: Pack twelve network. You're an idiot and you want to 663 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: act like you're the smartest guy in the room just 664 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: because you went to Harvard. It turns out you were 665 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: the dumbest guy in the room and you got you 666 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: ruined the conference. Now it's not totally his fault because 667 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: ultimately you can say this was inevitable, and it might 668 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: have been. It might ultimately have been inevitable because ultimately, 669 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: as things go on. I heard Coward say this the 670 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: other day. We used to have seven eighty you know, 671 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: major corporations in America, and now we have you know, 672 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: things are consolidating. I say it all the time. I 673 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 1: know people that run smaller businesses that are getting run 674 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: by VC firms and then they all merge. Part you know, 675 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: part of this money game that we're living in because 676 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: as you get bigger, your expenses grow. So as your 677 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: expenses grow, you have to make more money to afford 678 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: to get bigger. This is like you can talk about 679 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: academia loves talking about the white board and the theories, 680 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: and if this and this happens, then there's us in 681 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: the real world. Well, it's like, well, now this used 682 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: to cost my right used to cost ten thousand dollars 683 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: a month. They just raised it the seventeen thousand dollars 684 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: a month. My payroll used to be three thousand it's 685 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: now four and this is regardless. Money is all relative 686 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: whatever your businesses, and as things go up, you have 687 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: to pivot. You have to figure out ways to pay 688 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: for things. And as the u c l A Athletic 689 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: director said, if we didn't do this deal, which they 690 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: just piggyback USC to go, we would have had to 691 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: start cutting sports. We don't have the money and I 692 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: love what what about the endowments? Yeah, the endowments weren't 693 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: set to play for the sports. It's not the way 694 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: the business is set up for the colleges. But that's 695 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: a fun thing that gets said on Twitter, which a 696 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: bunch of people that have no clue what they're talking about. 697 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: So ultimately, money rules the day. It always has and 698 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: the biggest, bigger business you're in, it's only gonna dictate. 699 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: So does it piss me off? That's a probably the 700 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: wrong word. Does it hurt my heart a little bit 701 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: that the pactual died the moment these two teams left, 702 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: because that's what happened. Yes, But ultimately, in three or 703 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: four years wouldn't matter that much. I doubt it because 704 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: I thought the Raiders going to Vegas. I thought the 705 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: Rams come into l A. I thought Texas and m 706 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: going to the SEC. I thought all this stuff was 707 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: gonna and none of it has. We just keep rocking 708 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: and rolling. The games are on their fun these programs 709 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: have more money. Now it's gonna have ripple effects. Could 710 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: Oregon State essentially become D one Double A, you don't. Yeah. 711 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: Could Stanford ultimately cut football in the next ten years? 712 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: For sure, Like all these things are on the table, 713 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: But that's kind of the reality of life. Things the 714 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: bigger businesses get you turned into the haves and the 715 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: have nots. That's why the cream rises to the top. 716 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: And USC's brand is at football is dramatically bigger than 717 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: everyone out west, and that includes Oregon, who's had an 718 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: incredible twenty year run. But their value on the open 719 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: market clearly wasn't the same. And you can say U 720 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: c l A benefits geographically, well, they're in l A, 721 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: so sure they do, you know, I mean sometimes you 722 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: just benefit from being in a certain market. Now, I 723 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: would argue that U c l A's brand is still 724 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: pretty massive. It's still pretty big, and to me, they 725 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: are underachieving at football. Now. Are they willing to spend 726 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: eight nine million dollars on a football coach. Time will 727 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: tell because to me, their only chance to maintain because 728 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: Lincoln is gonna go into that conference and he's gonna win. 729 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna win at all, but 730 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna compete immediately because behind behind beside Ohio State, 731 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: he can coach in these guys and he's gonna be 732 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: getting the talent. So the only people that are gonna 733 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: be able to recruit his level there Ohio State. So 734 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: I listen, it's crazy, but this is only the beginning. 735 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna stop. Uh, and we we 736 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: are headed inevitably for basically NFC versus the a f 737 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: C Big Ten versus the SEC. The SEC will add Miami, 738 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, A Big Tan will add 739 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Who knows they add Oregon Washington. Doesn't seem 740 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: like they were in any rush to now, but in 741 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: this day and age, you can never say never, So 742 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: you know them. Here's the other thing that kind of 743 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: pisces me off to It's like Fox ESPN, they're just 744 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: doing the deals. You can't say that when you're also 745 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: on the team side and being like, well, it's gonna 746 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: cost a lot of money to get our rights. Well, yeah, 747 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: so if I'm Fox, or I'm ESPN and I'm paying 748 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: a shipload for the SEC or I'm Fox paying a 749 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: ton for the big Tan, I go listen. I have 750 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: no problem giving you eight hundred million dollars a year, 751 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: three billion over however, you know, five years, whatever the 752 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,280 Speaker 1: terms of the deal are. But I'm gonna need something 753 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: on my end. I never understood when I worked in radio, 754 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: we paid a premium for the rights for like the 755 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: NFL team, and it's like, what are they even giving us. 756 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: They don't give us the star quarterback. They don't give 757 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: us the players when we want it. I see it 758 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: in my own backyard with the radio station that owns 759 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors. They pay a ton for the 760 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: rights to broadcast the Warrior and they get nothing back 761 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: in return. They don't get any players. They occasionally get 762 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: the coach, and the ratings aren't that great because we 763 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: don't consume basketball on the radio. We watch it. It's 764 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: actually it doesn't pencil. So if I'm gonna give you 765 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: a ton of money, how about I'll give you some 766 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: ideas at usc in U c l A, and I'll 767 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: give you even more. Or if I'm ESPN and I 768 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: go to the Great sanchiego listen, we will give you 769 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: way more than CBS, and we'll even throw more on 770 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: top of it if you get Texas Oklahoma. Like it's 771 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: a win win for everybody. I think. Scott Van Pelt 772 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: tweeted it recently like you guys are just you guys 773 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: are doing all this and he's like, now this is 774 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: an orgy. We're all in this together because if we benefit, 775 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: they benefit. Everyone benefits. So yeah, did Fox want USC 776 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: and U c l A there? Of course? Does Ohio 777 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: State in Michigan want them there once they realize they're 778 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna get more money? Of course they do. So does 779 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: everyone benefit that's involved in this transaction? Yes? Who doesn't 780 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: benefit the other teams in the pact? Well, well, what's 781 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: the reality? People don't want them, so you just you're 782 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: only as valuable as the people they want you. And 783 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: clearly USC and USC or U c l A and 784 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: USC at people banging down the doors. Crazy story. Um, 785 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: it feels like it's only the beginning, but we'll have 786 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: to see how this all plays out. Hopefully everyone has 787 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: a good week. We'll have a mail bag over the 788 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: weekend audios, the volume