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Speaker 1: My name is Klay Nukleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting

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Speaker 2: and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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Speaker 2: the place as we explore. All Right, I have a

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Speaker 2: very very very strict agenda today, very strict agenda, and

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Speaker 2: I've got to.

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Speaker 1: Go through a list quickly so that we don't forget anything.

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Speaker 3: Got it.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about nobody talk. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about real estate. I'm just gonna hit the high points.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to foreshadow too much.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit. We're gonna talk about real estate.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about Ben Lee, We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: money laundering and cock fighting and Josh, you know how

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Speaker 2: much y'all love you?

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Speaker 3: Right, I don't like how this is being set up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start off the podcast by me asking you

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Speaker 2: why you decided to wear your your your kid clothes

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Speaker 2: today and not wear pants like a grown man.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me explain this to you. Because there are

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Speaker 3: men who hunt and there are men who have real

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Speaker 3: jobs and they take people fishing. This is my this

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Speaker 3: is my work uniform. This is my kid closes, this

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Speaker 3: is my work uniform. And I'm you're lucky. I don't

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Speaker 3: have sandals on, flip flops on.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: That's my work.

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Speaker 1: I have that. So you look good. You look good.

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Speaker 3: I know I look good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you've ever shorts and a render.

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Speaker 3: I've worn shorts and a render hundreds of times.

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Speaker 1: You haven't.

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Speaker 3: We're going back after this, guys, We're gonna sit down

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Speaker 3: and watch every render with gods.

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Speaker 2: Tell us thinks there's something wrong with me because I

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Speaker 2: do not wear shorts.

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Speaker 1: When I go to the gym.

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Speaker 3: I tell us, wear shorts all the time.

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Speaker 2: I know he usually when he's around me for more

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Speaker 2: than a couple of days, and I don't wear shorts.

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Speaker 2: He's he's trying to like psycho analyze me.

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Speaker 1: It's like Clay, tell me about your childhood, and I

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Speaker 1: tell him. I tell him the story at the gym.

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Speaker 2: I tell him the story about when I was at

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Speaker 2: the bow shop and Mina Arkansas. I remember the man's name.

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Speaker 2: I remember the man's name. I could tell you his name.

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Speaker 2: He's probably still alive, so I won't. And I remember

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Speaker 2: there was a picture of me on the wall with

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Speaker 2: a bow. I had won a bow tournament and he said,

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Speaker 2: who's the chubby little kid in the short paints?

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Speaker 3: Are you that got it? Is that what Joannis was

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Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know if I told you, but I

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Speaker 2: found it to be pretty pretty good advice for life.

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Speaker 2: So you look good, Josh, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I took a buddy. I took a buddy fishing recently.

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Speaker 3: And this guy is like a cowboy. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: a real cowboy. And I was like, okay, let's go fishing.

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Speaker 3: And I go to pick him up and he comes

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised he didn't have spurs on.

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Speaker 1: But fishing.

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Speaker 3: We went fishing and he's in his pressed wranglers and

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.

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Speaker 2: So Josh is a trout fishing god. If you need,

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Speaker 2: if you need to go trout fishing in Arkansas, Josh

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Speaker 2: as your man.

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest. My first that's why I thought.

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Speaker 3: I was like, he gives off kind of guy the

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Speaker 3: guys working on, didn't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we have two guests with us today.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We've been trying to do this for a while. This

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Speaker 2: is Jacob Myers. This is Andrew Maxwell. Yes, sir, from Alabama.

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Speaker 2: From Alabama, and so you guys are podcasters Southern Outdoorsman Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a long, crazy journey. It's been fun.

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Speaker 4: Glad to find will be here. We have talked about

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Speaker 3: While, ye have.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had just a quick note on the shorts.

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Speaker 5: H Jacob almost wore shorts and flip flops this morning.

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Speaker 5: He saw me putting on these jeans and he's like,

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Speaker 4: You put those We just got I just got back

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Speaker 3: You would have had an advocate man.

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Speaker 4: Josh, I would know you're on my side and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is comfortable, but it's just what do

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Speaker 1: I do wear shorts at the gym.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have like paparazzi now trying to get pictures

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, just functional. Functional, that's what it's

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Speaker 2: got to be. Well, we're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about what

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Speaker 2: you guys do. But I've got to go through my list.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about real estate. I want to

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Speaker 2: tell y'all story. I heard this yesterday. Tell me if

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Speaker 2: you've ever heard anything like this, this happened to. This

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Speaker 2: is not like an internet story. This happened to my friends.

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Speaker 2: Like I know the people this happened to, and I

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Speaker 3: Just like this.

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Speaker 2: There was a piece of land, piece of landlocked property

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Speaker 2: No really bad access, no houses, It was just a

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Speaker 2: hunting property. Guys had trail cameras out there. There's a

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Speaker 2: who lived out of state just decided to check his

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Speaker 2: cellar ca cam, pulls it up and sees a truck

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Speaker 2: drive past the gate. Bear, we go, holler at that dog, yep,

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Speaker 2: This is just part of life. You tell a lot

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Speaker 2: about a man by the way hollers his dog.

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Speaker 2: So he he sees a truck drive by, and he

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Speaker 2: And he said, a white truck just drove by.

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Speaker 1: YadA YadA. Well, they don't think much about it.

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Speaker 2: They go out there and put a padlock on the

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Speaker 2: the sheriff and they say, who is this person. They're

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Speaker 2: trespassing on our land. The sheriff runs the plate and

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Speaker 2: it's a local realtor who's in on this land, And

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Speaker 2: each other, you know. And the realtor goes, sheriff, that

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Speaker 2: And the sheriff calls the family and goes, is your

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Speaker 2: land for sale? And the guy goes, no, the land

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Speaker 2: They're going to a closing in five hours on that

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Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and sixty acres or something. And

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Speaker 2: it is a scam where people from somewhere find like

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Speaker 2: in the family for generations. That's one thing where like

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Speaker 2: you know, somebody's paying attention. And they forge all the

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Speaker 2: documents put it up for sale on out of state websites,

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Speaker 2: so it wasn't for sale in the state that it

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Speaker 2: going to buy the land and move there and build

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So I've heard that on a podcast and on social

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Speaker 4: media that that's happening right now. So that's really interesting

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Speaker 4: that you just had that story, Yeah, because I'm like,

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Speaker 3: How do I get in on this?

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Speaker 2: That brings up money laundering that is on the list,

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Speaker 2: But that's crazy. It truly is an And they were

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Speaker 2: able to stop the closing obviously, but they they were

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Speaker 2: But the realtor wasn't in on it, no, that's my understanding.

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Speaker 3: So who's benefiting, Like, how was that money getting back

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Speaker 3: to the people.

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Speaker 1: That had well, i mean they're the seller seller the.

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Speaker 2: Crook, the crooked seller interest to just get the money

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Speaker 2: and then I'm sure they got some elaborate plan to

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: What a nightmare for the people they were trying to

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Speaker 5: buy it too, because what if you bought that land

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Speaker 1: Shows up and they're like no, Well, I mean they're

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Speaker 2: I mean, because they're the ones that would have all

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Speaker 2: the money would be gone. So anyway, I thought that

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Speaker 2: was an astonishing story, just crazy.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought about.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine a human that could live

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Speaker 2: with that kind of I mean, we all know there's

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Speaker 2: crooks and thieves in the world, but like you think

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Speaker 2: about some guy just like you passing Walmart that you

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Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, that would have stolen two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars from somebody, just literally stole it from them.

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Speaker 2: I mean somebody it was. It was It wasn't like

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Speaker 2: some overseas deal. It was somebody from here that really

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Speaker 2: knew the system.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's stealing two undred and fifty thousand dollars from me.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you that because I ain't got.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's part one. That's part one. This is

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Speaker 2: this is part two. Do you are you guys familiar

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Speaker 2: with Ben Lee? Oh yeah, y'all would be for me Alabama?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very familiar. What's Ben Lee's reputation in Alabama?

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Speaker 5: Everybody who's like a died in the world turkey hunter

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Speaker 5: knows like all the Ben Lee stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like an icon in Alabama.

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Speaker 5: Almost every single person we interviewed in Alabama this year

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Speaker 5: about turkey hunting brought up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he made us two nets. Actually I was about

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, he makes these beautiful hand nets man

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Speaker 4: Okay, see he made us some nets, and I feel

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Speaker 3: You lost the list of cock fighting?

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Speaker 2: To have fighting roosters. I don't want to gamble. I

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Speaker 4: You just want to have them.

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Speaker 2: They're They're beautiful, beautiful animals. And I could take you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess Tayler Parks and Albaim. I could take

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Speaker 5: Are you there's around just big, big, pretty roosters. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I've always when I when I've been to funerals and

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Speaker 4: and it just came across like it was. A friend

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00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 4: of a friend was talking about it, and I'm like,

445
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 4: because you had to be a licensed insurance agent in order.

446
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 4: Because how the policies are held, it's held through whole

447
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 4: life policy, so that's how the funding goes into the

448
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: count so that when you pass away, everything's taken care of.

449
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. I

450
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: was thinking about doing insurance anyway. So I went and

451
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 4: applied that interview and they're like, yeah, you're hired. Started

452
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 4: talking to people, and one thing I liked about more

453
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 4: so than when I was doing medical industry. In the

454
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 4: medical space, I was talking to market imaging directors at

455
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 4: hospitals and stuff, and it wasn't very personable. It was

456
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: very much bottom line, who can get me a certain

457
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 4: piece of equipment at a certain price, and that was it.

458
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 4: When I was in the funeral side of everything, it

459
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: was very much like you built relationships with everybody you

460
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: were working with and helping them through hard times and

461
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 4: make sure everything was taking care of. I was not

462
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 4: Andrew keeps joking. I was a date a grave digger,

463
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 4: which I was not. Never touched that, never touched, never

464
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: touched the show, anything like that. I was always working

465
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 4: with the spouses and everything else in fam members. I

466
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 4: really enjoyed it. But I did that for a handful

467
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 4: of years. So I mean, I don't know what all

468
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 4: you want to get in.

469
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Speaker 2: You answer my question, and I knew there. I knew

470
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: there would be a real answer. But that that I

471
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Speaker 2: like it that you were you actually saw it as

472
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: you were helping people that were in a difficult time

473
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: in the relationship. Yeah, because I'm amazed at I mean,

474
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: there's something about human death that's close to you that

475
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: alters your life. I mean that's an obvious statement, like

476
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 2: people dying is significant in your life, but even even

477
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 2: beyond that, like, uh, I like for my kids to

478
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: go with.

479
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: Me to funerals.

480
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people are like, I'll protect the kids

481
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: from that we're gonna go. I've always been like, come on,

482
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: let's go. Yeah, And it's just like a unique moment

483
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: in people's lives.

484
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: So interesting, very interesting.

485
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 4: It was one of those things, like getting dealt with

486
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 4: so many hard situations, you know, all kinds of stuff,

487
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: you know, children passing away, very elgly people pass away,

488
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: to everybody in between, and working with families, it was.

489
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 4: It was tough to work in that environment, but it

490
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 4: was something that at the end of the day, making

491
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 4: sure that just the family was taken care of and

492
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 4: everything about the arrangements were situated in a way that

493
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: gave them more peace of mind was fulfilling on that.

494
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: But it was, dude, it was a lot, but it

495
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: was one of those things. So I was doing that

496
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: and the problem with that career path a problem. But

497
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 4: one aspect of it was you were working typically six

498
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: days a week, and then every other week you would

499
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 4: work thirteen days straight. You'd work a whole weekend in

500
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 4: the whole falling week as well, so it did not

501
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: lean in very much time at all. Then. I think

502
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: the couple of years I was there, three years I

503
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 4: was there, I probably hunted a total of maybe ten

504
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 4: eight to ten times a whole dear season and we

505
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 4: have a very long deer season in Alabama. And after

506
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: a while to get to the point where it's hard

507
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: for me to do the podcast, Like I was living

508
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 4: my life through the podcast interviewing these guys. I got

509
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: a hunt all the time, and I wasn't getting to

510
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 4: be able to do that. And finally, you know, with

511
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 4: the Iowa Tay get me like, okay, I'm bouncing.

512
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: And so what year was that?

513
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: That was twenty twenty? Was twenty twenty? Maybe I think

514
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: it was twenty twenty. I have no idea it was

515
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 4: twenty that's want to kill that first year is twenty twenty.

516
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: So when did y'all start your podcast?

517
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 5: The Southern Outdoorsman started in October twenty seventeen.

518
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: We're about to go to Wyoming.

519
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: Me and Jacober Buddies were both I think we were

520
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 5: both in college at the time.

521
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: He might have just dropped out of college.

522
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: I was out of college and.

523
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh he dropped out of colle Oh that's very interesting. Yeah,

524
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: he was trying to get me to drop out too.

525
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 5: He's like, hey, there's this medical sales thing you ought

526
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 5: to I used to work at a bow shop in

527
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 5: Birmingham and he came over there and he was there

528
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: for like four hours talking to.

529
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: Me on my shift.

530
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, you heed drop out and do this.

531
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. But anyways, Yeah, what was the

532
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: question I forgot?

533
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: Well, when we start the podcast.

534
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was October twenty seven, started the website and

535
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 5: I was doing it for like a blog because I

536
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 5: wanted to get into outdoor right in twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen,

537
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: and I was like, I don't know, eighteen or nineteen,

538
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 5: I had like no business writing for like a field

539
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 5: and stream type magazine, but I was writing for local

540
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 5: magazines at home, and I was like, well, I just

541
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 5: need somethinghere. I can put stuff out there and like

542
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 5: publish my own stuff and get reps and kind of

543
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: build a portfolio. So I started that over the next

544
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 5: couple of months, and people were like, hey, I ought

545
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 5: to do a podcast because we all liked, you know,

546
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 5: Wired to Hunt and a Meat Eater and people like that.

547
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 5: We listened to those, but there was nothing for the Southeast,

548
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 5: and so like, we ought to start something. And I

549
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: approached Jacob about it and he was like absolutely not

550
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: not interested. And after a couple months, I wore him

551
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: down and in February twenty eighteen we started the actual podcast.

552
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fifty dollars microphone from Amazon.

553
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: I remember when y'all started because of your name stood

554
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: out to me because at the time there was so

555
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: little media, podcast.

556
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: Media, specifically coming out the Southeast. Yeah, real, wasn't it.

557
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right?

558
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 5: Oh yeah No, that's why we started it. I mean

559
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 5: because we we wanted something. Like I mentioned Wired to Hunt.

560
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: I enjoyed his show a lot and he did a

561
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 5: great job with it. But he was talking to so

562
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 5: many guys in like Iowa, Michigan and Midwestern Yeah, and

563
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: they're talking about cornfields. I'm like, I don't have a

564
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 5: cornfield within fifty miles of my house. It's all it's

565
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: pine farms, it's all pine plantations. So we just needed

566
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 5: we just tried to go create what we wish was

567
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 5: already there essentially what we did Yeah.

568
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah.

569
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: Do you guys ever think about what like so they'll

570
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: look back in history at some point should the earth persist,

571
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: and they'll say, Wow, podcasts really blew up right there

572
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: because they have They're like every like, everybody's got a podcast,

573
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: Like it's like this flooded market.

574
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: What what service I mean?

575
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: And I know it's like you could say, well, you know,

576
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: we relay information, But have you ever thought about, like

577
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: on a broader scale, the impacts of podcasts, like what

578
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: is it?

579
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: What will they say about us at some point?

580
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: Well, it depends, but like, the one thing about podcasts

581
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: is a way to be able to get out information

582
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 4: very very quickly to the masses as long as the

583
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 4: masses find that show, no matter what the conversation is.

584
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: I get a lot of my news from some of

585
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: the different podcasts and how quick they can turn stuff around. Yeah,

586
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: and a lot of some of the hosts I listen to,

587
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: they don't really have a certain lean to it. They

588
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: just kind of tell you how it is, which is

589
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: really nice. But even the outdoor space, you're able to

590
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: get so much information out from hopefully reputable individuals and

591
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: people that have a lot of experience that you can

592
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: share that with other people and help shorten learning curse.

593
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 4: And that's really what we do. We've focused very much

594
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: on the educational side of everything. But I mean, like

595
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 4: you said, you know, a couple hundred years from now

596
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: or whenever they start talking about you know, podcast is

597
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 4: still a thing or a conversation, and maybe they change

598
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: to a different name. It would be interesting to kind

599
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: of see, how ever, things progress, because the one thing

600
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 4: we've noticed in the last three four years is that

601
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: the move we've bent towards a video podcast. This is

602
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: not just audio and people are now you know, they're

603
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: not they don't have a TV there, they're not subscribed

604
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: to cable TV or anything like that. They're watching on YouTube.

605
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: They just have YouTube at the house. And if you've

606
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: listened to podcasts or of watching stuff on YouTube, and

607
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: now with podcasts being on YouTube, people can watch at

608
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: the house. And that's the thing that's really blowing us away.

609
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 4: So how many people are actually watching the show, not

610
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 4: just listening to the show?

611
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.

612
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 5: Also with us specifically, we try to focus a lot

613
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: on just woodsmanship, and I don't know, some people call

614
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 5: it the old fashion wave of hunting with a lot

615
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: of people. We try to interview a lot of older

616
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: people for that exact reason, like fifty plus, you know,

617
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 5: especially like really older people, Like we've had a couple.

618
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: Of eighty year old guys on the podcast.

619
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I like to think that one day people

620
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: will look back at that, and it's kind of like

621
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: an archive of what was hunting like in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,

622
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: early two thousands, especially now with how technology is, I mean,

623
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: who knows what it's going to look like in twenty

624
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 5: thirty years, and so I feel like we're kind of

625
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: preserving that a little bit.

626
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, there's never been access to to

627
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: this type of information before in society, you know, like

628
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: like that's that's to me, what's interesting about podcasts. I

629
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: don't take I don't, I like, don't take any any

630
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: like pride in being a podcaster, Like I don't like

631
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: to I'm not a podcaster, like I don't.

632
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: I don't.

633
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: To me, that's not a it's like being a used

634
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: car salesman almost, like I don't. But the access to

635
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: information and and the the informality of human conversation being

636
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: recorded is unprecedented. I mean, like all media from all

637
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: all time has been curated, like like I mean think

638
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: about the nineteen sixties. You could not have consumed media

639
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: that wasn't planned intentional. I mean, whether it was a

640
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: game show or a radio show or tell.

641
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: But like like.

642
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 2: Inform normal human communication, Like there's something to it.

643
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: That's that's significant.

644
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: Well, that and also not having a time constraint put

645
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: to it, like if it's on television, you know, depending

646
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: on what the show is, you know, it might be

647
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 4: a quick little interview with somebody for eight minutes and

648
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: then they're off to the next subject. On podcasts, I mean,

649
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: you can run as long as you want. We don't

650
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: do this anymore, but there was times back in the day.

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: We've had multiple five hour long podcasts, Oh my lord,

652
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: and it was sit down Interviewmaron I mean, and looking

653
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: back at it, I'm like we were insane.

654
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people actually got to the end.

655
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know, but it's their for them.

656
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: If they want to go check it out, we'll see,

657
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: we see a lot of the stuff we did with

658
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: the podcast was very much for me and Andrew as

659
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: in like we were curious talk to these people and

660
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: curious getting some questions answered and learning more about the guests.

661
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: And it was never so much like, oh, what would

662
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 4: do good with the audience, is very much like what

663
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 4: would we like to hear and what are we interested in.

664
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Speaker 4: If the audience mimics that, then great, If they don't

665
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: that's perfectly fine too, they don't have to. And yeah,

666
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: it's that's how we've rent it for the last eight

667
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: and a half years. Now we don't do the five

668
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 4: hour podcast anymore, but we have done that in the.

669
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: So, Andrew, how did you get You kind of told

670
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: us a little bit how you got into us.

671
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: But what career? What obscure careers have you had in

672
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: your life?

673
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: I mean in college, I just I worked at that

674
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: bow shop. I did the night shift home depot.

675
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: What'd you go to college for?

676
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 5: I was trying to go for forestry. Oh, I got

677
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 5: a good story for you about that. Actually, I was

678
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 5: going to go to Auburn for forestry, and I went

679
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 5: to a community college in Birmingham to get all my

680
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 5: core class out of the way because it's cheaper and

681
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: I could live at home. And uh so I was

682
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 5: doing that and for summer for forestry at Auburn, you

683
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 5: have to do a summer practicum before you go into

684
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 5: your junior and senior year. So you go and it's

685
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: kind of like the like forestry boot camp or whatever.

686
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: And uh it was.

687
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: My last semester before I was supposed to go to practicum,

688
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: and I had this music appreciation class that I had to,

689
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: you know, go do because they make you do that.

690
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: And it was in Turkey season, and uh, I thought

691
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: the final was on Thursday, and so on Tuesday I

692
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 5: went Turkey hunting and then I showed up Thursday and

693
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: there was nobody there and I missed my final and

694
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: so I failed and that lowered my GPA and I

695
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 5: couldn't get into forestry school. So no, yeah, and then

696
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: I had to spend a year like taking throwaway classes

697
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 5: to get my GPA back up.

698
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: So I just started right there. Who in your life

699
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: did you have to tell that story to? And they

700
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: were real disappointed in you.

701
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: My mom, she was thrilled. She was just thrilled.

702
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: So so then when I got to Auburn, they had

703
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: they just introduced a new program called gs Spatial and

704
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 5: Environmental Informatics. Makes me sound smarter than I really am,

705
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: but it's just GIS maps data in like with forestry

706
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 5: and ecology. So I was like, well, I like maps,

707
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 5: I'll do that. And I didn't have to go to

708
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: the summer practicum so I could get back into the

709
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: school forestry earlier.

710
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: So I went to the School Forestry and did that.

711
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 5: And then when I graduated, I ended up I was

712
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: trying to go into some kind of wildlife for forestry

713
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 5: related field, and I ended up getting a job doing

714
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 5: you know, I called Before You Dig.

715
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Eight one to one.

716
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: Okay, I was doing that in Alabama, and I was

717
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 5: the GIS guy for both.

718
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Of these guys. Both these guys are into digging. So yeah,

719
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: I managed a database. I sat behind a computer. Okay,

720
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: how long did you do that? Like four years? Four

721
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: and a half years.

722
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 5: When I got out of college, I started doing that,

723
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: and that was when the podcast was starting to get serious.

724
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: And I graduated college in twenty twenty.

725
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 5: And right after I graduated when Jacob quit at his

726
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: job and started doing the podcast full time. And so

727
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I'm just going to

728
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 5: stay at this job until I can go full time.

729
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 5: And so that's what I did, and I went full

730
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: time last year. Took me a little longer because.

731
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 2: Like, oh, so you were in full time, you were

732
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: full time first a couple of years taking it.

733
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking it was the other way. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

734
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: he went full time first, old single prangle man.

735
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: I saved money and I was living dirt poor for

736
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: a while.

737
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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, that's one thing I was gonna serious.

738
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: Jacob didn't.

739
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: He didn't like not to get in to his finances

740
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: or anything, but he took how much money do you have, dude?

741
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: He took a gigantic pay cut. I don't want to

742
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: say what he made the first two years, but it

743
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: was not a lot, because I don't even know how

744
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: he lived on it.

745
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, because i'd say considerably at that last job.

746
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: But we're making money with the podcast, but very like

747
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: not enough money for like. I didn't think either one

748
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 5: of us equip but then he just did. I was like,

749
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 5: we'll figure it out. Hey, Pembur and JULLI, yeah, that's

750
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 5: deer meat.

751
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: I'd marry you for that, man, I mean it.

752
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: You know, some people people talk about people that are

753
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: in the outdoor industry full time, and there's sacrifices.

754
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: I mean there's been.

755
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's been good stuff that's happened to y'all

756
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: that wasn't your fault, you know. I mean, something just

757
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: good happened on its own. I know that's been the

758
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: way for me. I can't take credit for being able

759
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: to do what I'm passionate about, but there are conscious

760
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: sacrifices that you made that got you where you're at today.

761
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: Well, and that's my We've had conversations with like Couz Strickland.

762
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: We were talking to him about that, and he's like, everybody,

763
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: it's in the space. If they started taking it seriously,

764
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: they had to make some kind of sacrifice, like that

765
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: is a leap of faith because you don't know. I mean,

766
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: and I had the confidence. I'm like, if it doesn't

767
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: work out, I'm just going to go back to doing

768
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: what I was doing before hanging out. Was good at

769
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: it and just can get back into that space. But

770
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 4: it was one of those things that once you got

771
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: into it and you started making more content. I'm not

772
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: saying everybody try to go out and be a content

773
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 4: producer or creator, because I don't even think of it

774
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: that way. I look at like we're trying to add

775
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 4: value now to people's lives and help shortened learning curves.

776
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: That's like really what we're trying to do, and also

777
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 4: telling stories and adding some entertainment and mixed into it.

778
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: But I mean, every time we do this, like we're

779
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 4: traveling right now for nine days interviewing a bunch of people,

780
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: it doesn't really feel like work. I mean, it's a

781
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 4: lot of work, especially behind the scenes and the editing

782
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: and the producing and all that kind of stuff, but

783
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 4: we enjoy it, I mean to the utmost degree. And Andrew. So, Andrew,

784
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit different. So I'm not married, don't

785
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: have kids. Andrew's got a kid to your old daughter,

786
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: and he's been married now for I don't want to

787
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: put you on the spot because if you might listen

788
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: to this.

789
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: Episode, like six years, but right around six years, that's good,

790
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: that's good.

791
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: You know. So he so he was really trying to

792
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: work with her on making sure that we can get

793
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: everything taken care of so that he could go full time.

794
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: And then she was actually just now able to quit

795
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 4: her job to be a full time stay at home

796
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 4: on which has been awesome.

797
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 5: Oh that's incredible. Yeah, man, American dream Baby, that's great.

798
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Now y'all been doing this for eight years together, y'all

799
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: have navigated partnership.

800
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really know. I don't I don't

801
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know this, but I know this. How how

802
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: do y'all? Usually partnerships don't work out.

803
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Usually if like two people go into media together as like,

804
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, I want to say equals usually that breaks up.

805
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: Anything with more than one.

806
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Is there any Is there any mediation?

807
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: The reason I bring it up, is there any mediation

808
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: that you need me and Josh to do? Between guys,

809
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to have you go first. Tell us the

810
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: thing you hate most about Andre. Now it's a serious question.

811
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: They have you How do y'all manage us? Just like

812
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: being partners?

813
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: So we We've heard that from multiple other people in

814
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: space that have done the same thing. Like, dude, it

815
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: never worked out. A lot of it I think comes

816
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: down to personality types and also or both of you

817
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 4: bought in to the same level. Because if one's real

818
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: casual one's trying to take it real serious, it's not

819
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: gonna work. If both are super serious the point that

820
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: they want to do it their own way, it's not

821
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: gonna work. The thing about me and Andrew is it's

822
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 4: a mix of like we take this very very seriously,

823
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 4: but also like we're both very humble and we'll listen

824
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: to each other. Like Andrew has plenty of ideas. I'm like,

825
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: that's fine, Like dude, I'm they don't have to be

826
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: my way and same thing by versus or vice versa.

827
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 4: So I think you have to have that in order

828
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: to make it, because that is is true. I mean

829
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: Andrew's wife jokes jokes with us all the time that

830
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: like it's almost like me and him in a marriage,

831
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 4: because like we spend so much time together and working

832
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: together that like just like a marriage, like you're gonna

833
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: have arguments and stuff, but you gotta be able to

834
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 4: work past it. And same thing with a business partner

835
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: that you're working a ton with.

836
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's trying to what I was about to say.

837
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 5: It's like a marriage, and it's just like you know,

838
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 5: sometimes like I slack and he has to pull the weight.

839
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: Sometimes he slacks and I have to pull the weight,

840
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 5: And you just have to be willing to do that

841
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 5: with somebody. Yeah, and be forgiving about it, like whenever

842
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 5: the other person messes up or whatever, because I mean

843
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: eight years, I mean we've had our share of disagreements

844
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 5: and stuff.

845
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: But I got a good story on that.

846
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: Oh God.

847
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: So the second time I went to Iowa, okay, I

848
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: want it theirs. Oh anyways, so this is it was.

849
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: I was there for fourteen days okay, and completely neglected

850
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: everything I had to do for the podcast. And Andrew

851
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: called me a couples and he was living I'm talking

852
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: about upset man and after because I'm like I was

853
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: so focused on killing a big buck and I was

854
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: hoping with my uncle and we were driving me. We

855
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: were hunting, hunting a bunch of the evening, we were scouting,

856
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: bird hunting. I got a bird dog. We were hunting

857
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: quil hunt in the mornings and the deer hunting the afternoons,

858
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: late season. And when I got back me Andre Andrew

859
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: had a conversation with me because he's like, dude, you

860
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: cannot do that, Like that is not gonna fly, Like

861
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: we can't do this because responsibilities and everything else like that.

862
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 4: And really you got to have like a humbleness of

863
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: like not being super selfish that oh I'm full time

864
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: now can go a hunt all the time, because that's

865
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: not the case, Like there's other stuff that has to

866
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: get done before you ever get in the woods. So yeah,

867
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: that was a good lesson for me.

868
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: How did you How did you take the rebuke? Did

869
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: you get mine at it?

870
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: No, not at all, because I'm like it's rightfully so,

871
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: I mean, if you do that to me, I'd be

872
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: upset to But I was so hyper focus on hunts

873
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: like that. That just man, that's what that's.

874
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's good.

875
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 5: I mean that your conflict, that's the key right there,

876
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 5: because that's one thing about him, Like he's always been

877
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: like that. And I try to be like that as

878
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: much as I can. But you know, like if you

879
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 5: mess up, just own up to it. Yeah, and that'll

880
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: get you far.

881
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

882
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: You know, whatever you're doing, leave your ego at the door. Yeah. Man,

883
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: that's great.

884
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: That's like high level humanness for real, just being able

885
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: to get along with people and and and surprisingly it's

886
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: difficult for a lot of people.

887
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: I mean, why are you looking at me like that?

888
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

889
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: Sure, the reason I brought these two guys here, so

890
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: we need to mediate with exactly.

891
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for asking.

892
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: Okay, one thing I wanted to bring up just because

893
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 4: I thought you'd find it a little interesting. So I

894
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: actually so, I lived in ourself for four years. I

895
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: went to see Biaco Academy, really private school up here

896
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 4: in northwest Arkansas. And at the time, we had a

897
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: hunting program. They don't do this anymore, okay, but we

898
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 4: could have firearms at school. I was living the dormitories

899
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: and we could have we couldn't have center fire rifles,

900
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: but we have twenty twos muzzliters and shotguns and we

901
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: would go hunt. The school has a bunch of acres.

902
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: We would go hunt all the time, like I play sports.

903
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 4: But was like if I didn't have practice or something,

904
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: we were going hunting. I got in so much trouble.

905
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: So one day I was gonna tell you the story.

906
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: So this is great. So so it's a it's a

907
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: bendict and monastery. So there's there's monks like at on

908
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: like campus, I'd have a monastery there. And one of

909
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 4: the monks who was overseeing the hunting program, he came

910
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: to me one day and he's like, hey, y'all want

911
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: to go rabbit hunting. I'm like yeah. And we had

912
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: gone rabbit hunt with him with some other guys down

913
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: the river with some beagles. He's like, well, there we

914
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 4: got a bunch of rabbits around the barns on the property.

915
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: He's like, dude, get your shotgun and get your buddy Marshall,

916
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 4: go down there go hunt. I'm like cool. So we

917
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: go down there with the monk. No, no, he left now, no, no,

918
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 4: we'd go unsupervised. Okay, like he just he'ld go check.

919
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: We'd check out the shotguns whatever, get ammo and walk down.

920
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: To the barn.

921
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: So, but barges are close to the campus. Like bargs

922
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: are like maybe three hundred four hundred ardsen campus. We

923
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: go down there and just cotontail rabbits everywhere. I'm just

924
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: shooting them and they weren't running or nothing like.

925
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: We'd shoot them and then sliding them with a twelve games.

926
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was like you just walked her. Anyways,

927
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 4: so we got like six or eight of them. I

928
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: started going around the hill and the schools up on

929
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 4: Big Hill. We started going around the hill kind of

930
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: falling rabbits. We get all the way to like a

931
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 4: cemetery right there and killing some rabbits. And at one

932
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: time I was like, we are very close to school buildings.

933
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: But it's like guy, it's also it's okay, Like you know,

934
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: brother Edge said we'd come down here. We end up

935
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 4: going back cleaning this, cleaning the rabbits on one of

936
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 4: the park benches on campus. Took the shotguns back, put

937
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: the shotguns away. But sir, cleaning rabbits, we had a

938
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: lunch lad that would cook us wild game. So they

939
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: don't do that anymore either. Wow, but like if we

940
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: think we see you, probably yeah. Well, so we'd run

941
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 4: trot lines there. We had a bunch of they had

942
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: a bunch of ponds that we'd run trot lines on.

943
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: We flay fish and we'd bring them back in the

944
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: lunch leaves. We cook it for me my buddies. But

945
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 4: the next day I go to class and the principal

946
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 4: comes in and me and him were pretty cool, Like

947
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: I go send his office, talk to him a good bit,

948
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 4: and he came in. He's like, hey, Jacob, I need

949
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 4: you to come to the office real quick. All right, cool,

950
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: So I went to the office. I was like, hey,

951
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 4: what's going on? And he's like, well, tell me about

952
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: this rabbit hunt. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

953
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, I got reports that you were

954
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 4: shooting the rabbits on campus yesterday. And I'm like, brother,

955
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: I kind of went till like brother Edrew told me

956
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: to do it. You know, I'm like a fifteen, sixteen

957
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: year old kid at a time, and uh, He's like, yeah,

958
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: you can't do that. And I lost my hunting privileges

959
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: for the rest of the year. It was like I've

960
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: read I think a small game. Rabit season opened somewhere

961
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: time in October November something like that, and uh lost

962
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 4: hunting privileges for the rest of the year and got

963
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: Saturday attention for it for I think a month, uh

964
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: Me and Marshall both. But then was got in a

965
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: bunch of trouble and I was like, come to find out.

966
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: I learned this later. There was another monk on campus

967
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: that uh, I don't want to say his name, but anyways,

968
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: he was going after and feeding the rabbits. Oh brother Adrian,

969
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: which I'll mention his name. He's a fun he's a

970
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: fun guy, older guy. Actually he was old when I

971
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 4: was there, and he's he's still kicking great guys. A

972
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 4: year ago, they weren't getting along, I guess a whole bunch,

973
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: so we went down there and shot some rabbits that

974
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 4: he didn't want rabbits around the barns and stuff like that.

975
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: But it was one on his fellow monk's rabbits.

976
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: But that's why they were just standing Uh yeah exactly.

977
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: They were like, oh, you're gonna come feed me.

978
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: Oh no, we just didn't realize he was gonna feed

979
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: him a shot.

980
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, So number seven shot, I mean yeah exactly. But yeah,

981
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 4: we hunted a bunch out there had bows. I had

982
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 4: kept my bow in my climber, underneath my bed in

983
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: my in my dormitory, and all my camo and stuff

984
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: under there. It was a fun time.

985
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Wow, Subiaco, we played Subiaco.

986
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: We played Me and a bunch.

987
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I broke.

988
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: My actually not wasn't mean Oh, it wasn't meaning. I

989
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: broke my arm playing football.

990
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah yeah, wow, crazy man, good times crazy.

991
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: That's a good story.

992
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: So you guys, uh, you guys were the people that

993
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: introduced me to Pablo.

994
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Mmmmm oh yeah yeah, what a what an incredible guy. Uh,

995
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: I love Pablo. Now did y'all meet Pablo?

996
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 5: Uh, Pablo kind of like he was talking about, Uh,

997
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: he got to know all those good deer hunters up

998
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 5: where he lives, like Tony Myers, Michael Perry, Daniel Williams,

999
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 5: Jamie McKay.

1000
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: These are like local legends.

1001
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 5: In Alabama, I mean, just killers and they all kind

1002
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: of live in the same area. Well, those are a

1003
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: lot of the guys that we interview, and we had

1004
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 5: some mutual friends that also knew him, and we kind

1005
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: of knew of Pablo and then he came to me

1006
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 5: at the World Deer Expo, like I guess it's three

1007
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: years ago now, that's where I actually met him, met him,

1008
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: and I talked to him for ten minutes. I mean,

1009
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: he had me in tears, just he's hilarious. Yeah, and

1010
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: I was like, we got to do a podcast with you.

1011
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: And then late last year we finally made it happen,

1012
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: and yeah, it was just man, he's so fun. We're

1013
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 5: gonna take him on a deer trip this year somewhere.

1014
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 5: Oh we got we got to get him in a

1015
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: deer camp.

1016
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1017
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1018
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: So he's one of those guys that he's so humble

1019
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: because of like where he came from, the opportunities that

1020
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: when he came to the States, he's like he wanted

1021
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: to get into it and it was like just still

1022
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 4: as a sponge soaking up information. And he's fun to

1023
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: be around because he's super positive no matter how bad

1024
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: the situation is, super positive. Like every buddy Daniel Williams

1025
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: who did the episode with us of Pablo, they hunt

1026
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: a bunch together and they're just telling all these different

1027
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: stories of all these close calls, not like close calls

1028
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: killing animals, but close calls like flipping kayaks over an

1029
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: algadrinfest river and like getting bit by snakes and all

1030
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff that. I mean, Pablo, he he's such

1031
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: an interesting guy that first off, when we did the

1032
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: episode with him, a lot of people were like, where

1033
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: is he from? Because his Accidenty're like, is he Cajun's

1034
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: he from? Like South Louisiana. I'm like, no, not at all, man,

1035
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: but but yeah, just like a guy like that, it's

1036
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 4: nice to meet somebody who's, you know, not a younger

1037
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: guy by any means, but is someone who's still so

1038
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: hungry for information and is willing to go out there

1039
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: and grind and go. Like his first couple of years

1040
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 4: hunting never even solid hear yeah, and like but still

1041
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: kept going. And it's like, man, it's it's amazing to

1042
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 4: hear those stories.

1043
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: He's so respectful that he earns other people's respect.

1044
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 5: I mean, like we've got we know guys who've taken

1045
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: out in the woods, taken him out in the woods scouting,

1046
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: like just trying to show him stuff, and they'll be like, hey,

1047
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 5: drop a pin on this, like you can come back here,

1048
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: and like Pablo like doesn't even have his phone or something.

1049
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 5: He's like, I'm not going to steer a spot or anything. Yeah,

1050
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 5: like just very respect like he does everything the right

1051
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: way and people just appreciate that. And so it like

1052
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 5: everyone loves Pablo.

1053
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well he was it was it was

1054
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: cool having him on this podcast.

1055
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was so excited. Man.

1056
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like I called him. I was like,

1057
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: guess he was just asking about you. Man, he was

1058
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 5: so excited. So yeah, he's a great guy. I love

1059
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 5: to see it.

1060
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

1061
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 2: Who I want to ask both of you a question

1062
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: who and all the people you've interviewed would be like,

1063
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: people ask me this all the time, So it's a

1064
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 2: fair game.

1065
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Favorite interview you've ever done.

1066
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 5: I think we like, I'm going to take the easy

1067
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: one and just say it's got to be Episode one

1068
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 5: sixteen with Glenn Solomon.

1069
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: Glenn Solomon. Glenn Solomon.

1070
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 5: He's a gentleman from South Georgia and he was one

1071
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: of the guys that kind of showed us what direction

1072
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: we should go in. It was episode one sixteen. I

1073
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 5: always tell people it took us like one hundred episodes

1074
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 5: to figure out how to not suck at it. And

1075
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 5: when we interviewed him, it just like it really clicked

1076
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 5: and he gave us great information and we started getting

1077
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: success stories from it.

1078
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: We started having more success.

1079
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: But also right after we interviewed him, he passed away,

1080
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 5: like three weeks after we release the episod, and so

1081
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: it kind of gave us the perspective of, like, hey,

1082
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: we got to record these people stories and everything, and

1083
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 5: that that episode kind of changed the game for us,

1084
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 5: and it kind of gave us a direction that we

1085
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 5: should go.

1086
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: Was he like really technical in the way he described

1087
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: hunting or was he a good storyteller or was he

1088
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: a character?

1089
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 5: He's he's a good old boy character, just South Georgia woodsman.

1090
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 5: Like he's not talking about like, you know, all this

1091
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: crazy technical stuff.

1092
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: That you hear about in like mobile hunting today.

1093
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 5: He's like, man, find you a thicket, get up in there,

1094
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: you know, do whatever you gotta do.

1095
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: That kind of.

1096
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: Interesting about him. He was a He's one of the

1097
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: only guys we ever met in the Southeast who was

1098
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 4: successful being a bed hunter for bucks on public land

1099
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: and killing the fire out of bucks because I think

1100
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: it's two state tags you get in Georgia, and then

1101
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: there had bonus buck hunts on different w mas where

1102
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: like you can go for that day or that weekend

1103
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: and get an extra buck tag if you kill one.

1104
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 4: And he'd kill five mature bucks in one season in

1105
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: Georgia on like four different pieces of public lan and

1106
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: most of them were like bed hunting roughly, but he's.

1107
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Just doing cool stuff.

1108
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 5: Like he was hunt those long leaf pine savannahs where

1109
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 5: the long leaves aren't super tall yet and all the

1110
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 5: all the grass underneath him is four or five feet tall,

1111
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 5: and he would he was talking about taking a barstool

1112
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 5: in there and sitting on top of a bar stool

1113
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 5: in the middle of that stuff just so he could

1114
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: barely see down into that grass.

1115
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Wow. And killing deer that way.

1116
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 5: Wow, that's it was just that like ratcheting, uh, small

1117
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 5: pines together, so get a tree stand on it.

1118
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: You know, it's just cool stuff like that. Wow, that's cool.

1119
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 4: And he was also an outdoor writer, so even though

1120
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: he was he had real country drawl. He was very

1121
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 4: well spoken and his writing style kind of mimicked that,

1122
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 4: and his family when he passed away, ended up putting

1123
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: a lot of his stories together. He had written for

1124
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: all these articles into a book form, which was really

1125
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: kind of cool. As well.

1126
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: It's called hunting on the fly.

1127
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, but selfishly for me, uh, just so it changed

1128
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 4: my hunting. Was a gyman. He's a gentleman from Alabama.

1129
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: His name's Ron Waters. Would call him Coach. He's old

1130
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: football and baseball coach in the state. He's in his

1131
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: seventies and he is a turkey killing public land turkey

1132
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 4: killing fiend. And I learned a lot from him. He

1133
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: was kind of cut from that old school cloth, third

1134
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: generation turkey hunter. His granddad got killed turkey hunting in

1135
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: nineteen thirty nine. Yeah, had a guy killed him on

1136
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: the National Forest with a shotgun mistake temper a turkey.

1137
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: So he's got a ton of family heritage of turkey

1138
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: hunters in the state of Alabama. And his big thing

1139
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 4: that he really was talking about in the episode with

1140
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: is that was impactful for me is what he calls

1141
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 4: covert calling, Like, you know, you got all these guys

1142
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: in public land, you know they kill a lot of

1143
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: birds early in the season, being loud and aggressive, but

1144
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: after a certain point like it's not going to work

1145
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: as well, and being a little bit more of a

1146
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: soft caller, being a little more patient can play huge dividends.

1147
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: And I started doing that and it was unbelievable, like

1148
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: a light switch should change for me. So but yeah,

1149
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: so I take a little bit different able. But we've

1150
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: interviewed so many different guys. It's the problem is we've

1151
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: interviewed so many guys at this point, we're at almost

1152
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 4: I think seven hundreds on the episodes now that it's

1153
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 4: hard to remember everyone unless we've had him on multiple times.

1154
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 4: There's some guys we had on, you know, one time

1155
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: five years ago and unless someone brings it up, like

1156
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 4: I kind of forgot about the episode because.

1157
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 1: We have a lot of that's a lot of episodes.

1158
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's been amazing though, because again, one thing,

1159
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to deer hunting, one thing I've

1160
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 4: learned after we've interviewed so many guys is there's so

1161
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 4: many different ways to be successful. There are some guys

1162
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: that are big in the sent control. Some guys absolutely

1163
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 4: don't care about sync control. Some guys are like mo

1164
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 4: hunting redlines. Some guys like hunting scrapes, and they'll talk like, oh,

1165
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 4: you can't do this one thing because it won't work,

1166
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 4: And then we interview somebody who's like, no, that's what

1167
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 4: I do and have a lot of success. And that's

1168
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 4: one thing I like about White Tails to me, white

1169
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 4: Tails specifically, it's so much based on your confidence level

1170
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 4: and experience that molds you to who you are as

1171
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 4: a deer hunter, and that's how you kill deer and

1172
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily like someone else that's out there.

1173
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1174
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I didn't know y'all had that many episodes.

1175
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, I think.

1176
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 5: I think today we released six ninety two on the

1177
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 5: day we're recording this, that came out this morning, so yeah,

1178
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: we're about to hit seven hundred.

1179
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1180
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: Wow, that's great, man.

1181
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,240
Speaker 4: This is one of those things that, like the journeying

1182
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: I really enjoy is just talking to so many different

1183
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: guys from different parts of the Southeast in the experience level,

1184
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: because there's some similarities between guys and there's some that

1185
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 4: like they're just upbringing is completely different. Like we interviewed

1186
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 4: a guy in North Carolina last year, Western North Carolina

1187
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 4: who didn't get into deer hunting until he was I

1188
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: think thirty one, and he's like thirty five. He's killing

1189
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: the fire at a big deer in the mountains. Both

1190
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 4: of the bow and a rifle, and his background was

1191
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: rock climbing and like and like long distance hiking. Then

1192
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: he took that endurance athlete perspective into white tail hunting

1193
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 4: and had a really good mentor hunting public land and

1194
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: just took up on it and killing big deer in

1195
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 4: areas that like aren't they're known for big deer but

1196
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: have very small population size and herd densities. And he's

1197
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: going out there killing big deer every single year, and

1198
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: it's it's amazing, just because you never know who you're

1199
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: gonna talk to and what their background is, because like,

1200
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 4: I didn't grow up in a hunting family, like my

1201
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: dad specifically never hunted. I got in a hunting through

1202
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 4: my mom's two brothers and they were big deer hunters,

1203
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 4: casual turkey hunters, and that's how I kind of get

1204
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: the itch to go hunt. And then went with Super Echo.

1205
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 4: It was like full fledged, like I can go run

1206
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: wild and go hunt like crazy. And then college it

1207
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 4: was like exponentially more because I found out about public lan.

1208
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool, man Bear, Do you have any questions

1209
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: for these guys?

1210
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 3: Mm?

1211
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: Where we talk about the Anazik.

1212
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 6: Child, So what are you guys hunting most and he

1213
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 6: said white tails, But like, what do you do personally

1214
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 6: like to It.

1215
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: Depends on what time of year you asked me that.

1216
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's in the spring, it's turkey's in the fall,

1217
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 5: it's deer. But I really would like to kill a

1218
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 5: bear at some point, so I think I'm gonna try

1219
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 5: that this year.

1220
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: But yes, it's white tails.

1221
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 5: Man.

1222
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: Do you guys have a bear season in Alabama?

1223
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Not yet. I think we're getting there.

1224
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're getting close. I've killed a bear, mule, deer.

1225
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: I still love white tails and I love turkeys, like

1226
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 4: it's one of those things. Like I traveled little bit

1227
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 4: this year turkey hunting and it was an absolute blast.

1228
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: And my biggest thing is I like the adventure of

1229
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: going other places and seeing new scenery, even if it's

1230
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 4: the same species. Like we've hunded white toes in Wyoming

1231
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 4: and it was wild because we're out and it's like

1232
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: finding white tails, getting on white taes, killing white tails,

1233
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 4: but we're so far twenty nine hours from the house,

1234
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: almost thirty hours from the house, but you're still hunting

1235
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 4: an animal that acts similar, but the habitat is completely different.

1236
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: And like, I love that aspect of just what we had.

1237
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: The opportunity here in the United States, as you can

1238
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 4: travel all over the place if you have a little

1239
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 4: bit of funds and if you want to sleep in

1240
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 4: your truck for seven days, you can do that and

1241
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 4: have that opportunity. But yeah, I love white tails. Yeah

1242
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 4: I've killed one bear in Arkansas. Oh really Yeah, and

1243
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: killed a bear. My brother was going to school up

1244
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 4: here in college and he started running some cameras on

1245
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 4: one of the pieces of public up here and he

1246
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 4: was trying to find deer and ended up just every

1247
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 4: camera he had in this one canyon system had bears

1248
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 4: on it. Like every day one of the cameras would

1249
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 4: have a bear on it. He went out there killed

1250
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: one with his bow. And then I came up here

1251
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: for the Muzzlier hunt and opening day of Muzzlier season,

1252
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 4: seen two bear, killed one, and had an opportunity at

1253
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: a buck, and I'm like, I know that never happens,

1254
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: Like Clay, your dad told me that as well, because

1255
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: I texted about it. I was talking to Mo about too,

1256
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 4: and he's like, that does not happen. So I'm kind

1257
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: of just like, I don't know. I want to get

1258
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 4: back into bear home. The meat was delicious, but it

1259
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 4: was one of those things that that blew me away

1260
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I wish we had the opportunity in

1261
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: the Deep South, but uh, we don't have that currently.

1262
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: We had a little bit of everything too though. We

1263
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: both have bird dogs.

1264
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: Uh what kind of bird dog? I mean, like like

1265
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: for pheasant or ducks or quail.

1266
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 5: He's got a gsp and I've got a small munster lander.

1267
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: And actually yesterday my wife picked up our new English

1268
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: shutter puppy. So really, yeah, just got an English cutter yesterday.

1269
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: You gotta train the English setter to quail hunt. Oh yeah, yeah,

1270
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: I actually have wild quail. We have some.

1271
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 5: I actually just joined a hunt club by my house

1272
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 5: and it's a timber company and they've started doing mitigation

1273
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 5: areas on it where they're re establishing some bottomland hardwoods

1274
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. And uh, I keep jumping quail

1275
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: out there. I've been out there a couple of times.

1276
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: I've been jumping them. But we got a lot of

1277
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: woodcock in Alabama. That's our main bird. When when you

1278
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 5: get a good push of them because they're migratory when

1279
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 5: they're here, it's awesome when they're when they're not there.

1280
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: They're not there, see, and I'd rather travel with my dog.

1281
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: I've gone to Montana of hunter in Iowa, Wisconsin, Wisconsin

1282
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 4: was fun, Northern Wisconsin hunting grouse, rough grouse, and then

1283
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: eastern Montana was unbelievable. So it's that's the cool thing,

1284
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: is kind of diverse, find what we like to do

1285
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: in small game hunting.

1286
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 6: Two.

1287
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 4: It's like, that's why it's Southern Outdoors, not Southern deer hunters,

1288
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: Southern turkey hunters. It's like there's so many opportunities for

1289
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: being able to be in the woods and hunt. It's like,

1290
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 4: don't just do one thing.

1291
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so these guys are able to listen to

1292
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: the podcast. So the last the last, well, it was

1293
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: actually two episodes ago, right that we we had the

1294
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 2: Mystery of America's Oldest Bones, and we had the one

1295
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: filler episode not filler, but we had Lake.

1296
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: Pickle and T. L. Jones on Special Remnant and so

1297
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: this one it's coming out then.

1298
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: But man, I my wife makes fun of me, like

1299
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: ridicules me for how much I talk about this kind

1300
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: of stuff. But uh, you know the Ice Age Paleolithic

1301
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: people who were the first Americans and now the Anazac

1302
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: child pretty pretty fascinating to me, and I love having

1303
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: really qualified guests like doctor David Melson from SMU. I mean,

1304
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't really know the hierarchy of archaeologists and anthropologists

1305
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: in America, but I mean he's probably at the top

1306
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: of the heap in terms of his specialty, which is

1307
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: the ice age, stone age and like who was here

1308
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: and what they were doing and stone points. But he's

1309
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: a fascinating guy and a really good communicator. It's like,

1310
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: he's really good communicator. And uh so, y'all listen to it.

1311
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: What what stood out to you? What was the most

1312
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: interesting thing or what'd you learn? Or to me, would

1313
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: you be interested in stuff like that? I mean, like

1314
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: when you listen to that, where you're like, oh, this

1315
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: would be cool or it won't be or this boring.

1316
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 4: I didn't know really what it was going to get

1317
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: into and until the conversation really got started. But to me,

1318
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 4: the most fascinating thing was the ghost gen in South

1319
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: and like I think it was southeast Brazil where they

1320
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 4: found a gene that connects to or is associated with Australia,

1321
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: but it's not really found anywhere else. In Central and

1322
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: North America. It's like, well, how did that get there?

1323
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: And Andrew's like, maybe maybe those boys did have some

1324
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: boats and some wild boys started paddling. Yeah, But I

1325
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: mean the thing is is, I think everybody, if you,

1326
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 4: especially if're gonna even if you're not an outdoors man,

1327
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 4: you're fascinated with how North America got populated and how

1328
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: just these early humans settled all across the globe and

1329
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 4: specifically across North, South, and Central America. And it's one

1330
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 4: of those things that's like, there's so many questions because

1331
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 4: it's so old. And Andrew made the comment about like

1332
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 4: the the Anziit child when they found it in the

1333
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 4: sixties with the back ho It's like, we found that,

1334
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 4: but we can't find evidence a big foot? What's going on?

1335
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1336
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: That podcast kind of ruined for me even more.

1337
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, how can we not find sasquatch bones but

1338
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 5: we can find this fifteen thousand year old bones?

1339
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The the uh, the data

1340
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: points we have seemed so obscure to me that that's

1341
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: what's that's what's so wid. I mean every time that

1342
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: I as I learned about archaeology, which I wouldn't have

1343
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: any formal training in it. So I'm learning all this

1344
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: stuff and I'm always amazed at like some dudes were

1345
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: out digging with a backo and found that, you know,

1346
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: and then all this academic science builds around this like

1347
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: one data point, you know, and it's just astonishing. But

1348
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: going back to the ghost population, Yeah, when I heard that,

1349
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: my first thing was, well, do you think people came

1350
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: over on boats? I actually asked him that, and he

1351
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: was like no, I mean he those a lot of times,

1352
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 2: those guys aren't always real certain about stuff, but he

1353
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: was so certain about it. I mean, the guys spent

1354
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: his career understanding this stuff. But I mean, basically I

1355
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: understood him to say that we pretty much know when

1356
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: people developed the technology to be able to float across

1357
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: huge oceans, and it was like thousands and thous I

1358
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: mean way before that. But where'd they come from? I

1359
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: mean I told I told somebody. I was like, it

1360
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: may have been by accident. Somebody floated across the ocean on.

1361
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: A big log. Yeah, man and a woman. I don't know,

1362
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's like it is such a

1363
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: it is such a mystery.

1364
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: No, it is, And that's the fascinating thing about it.

1365
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 4: And that's why I like, I know a lot of

1366
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 4: these researchers have up until the data they have now

1367
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 4: like as much confidence as possible and what they've found.

1368
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 4: But it's also like the randomness of them finding that child,

1369
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: Like what's what's what's the the stat and the statistic

1370
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: of that actually happened. Like you're just digging one hole,

1371
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: doing whatever kind of expans you're doing, you find that

1372
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: one thing. Oh, it's like and you made a good

1373
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 4: point about like tilling up like the whole earth and

1374
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 4: like trying to like what you could find. But it's

1375
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: like it's not it's not possible. Yeah, and you know

1376
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 4: who knows.

1377
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: What and how many if you know, baco operators, how

1378
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: many baco operators could see a stone.

1379
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: Exactly, cab exactly and stop and get out and look at.

1380
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: It and not have just completely ruined it.

1381
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1382
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1383
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: So it's just like how many of those things have

1384
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: been ruined or not just not ever not I mean,

1385
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: and and the answer is thousands, And I mean some

1386
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: aren't in existence, Like the bones just were in a

1387
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: place where they decayed and they're just like literally no

1388
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: longer human bones. But certainly there are other human specimens

1389
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: of that age that just never were discovered by science.

1390
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 5: You know, you brought up a good point when he

1391
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 5: was talking about the the dam builders and the guy

1392
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 5: found that clothes point. Yeah, and you're like, I bet

1393
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 5: the dam builders appreciated that, and he was like, no,

1394
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 5: it didn't disrupt it. But I mean, you hear about

1395
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 5: that all the time where maybe it's a farmer, maybe

1396
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 5: it's this or that, but they uncover some bones or

1397
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 5: something and they just toss it in the river because

1398
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 5: they're like, I'm not dealing with this. Yeah, you know,

1399
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 5: because it's true whatever regulations might come with it. So

1400
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 5: I that's a that's a good point because I always

1401
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 5: think about that. I'm like, man, there's probably been like

1402
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 5: the best ones, maybe even but the best sites are

1403
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 5: probably lost due to things like that, either people not

1404
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 5: even realizing it or people maybe realizing it and just

1405
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: want nothing to.

1406
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: Do with it.

1407
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's like the the Boneyard guy up in Alaska

1408
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: that's been on Rogan that has this incredible place that's

1409
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 2: a gold it's a gold mine, literally, and.

1410
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: Who knows what's on that place. It just it sounds

1411
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: the guy.

1412
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: Possible he embellishes a little bit. I mean he loves

1413
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: to kind of like stir the pot. But I have

1414
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: no doubt that it's an unreal place that for the

1415
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: most part it has not been studied by the.

1416
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Establishment of archaeology.

1417
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: Well, and we're I think Rogan has talked about because

1418
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 4: I've listened to all those episodes, which I can't remember

1419
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: the guy's name, but when he comes on kind of

1420
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 4: at the end of the year the last couple of

1421
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: years they've done episodes, it's it's a small area that

1422
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 4: they're excavating. It's I think you said, because only a

1423
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 4: few acres in size of like all the property guy has,

1424
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 4: so it's like, who knows what else is out there.

1425
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's astonishing, It's astonishing.

1426
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1427
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: I love the subject though.

1428
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: For real.

1429
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: Every time I find a stone point or a tool

1430
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 5: or a flake or anything.

1431
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: Like that, I just I love that stuff.

1432
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 5: Because we went and found a bunch of arrowheads Mississippi

1433
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 5: this year back in January on a buddy Var's property,

1434
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 5: and I mean they're everywhere in that field. You find

1435
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 5: like a little bitty high spot in that field the

1436
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 5: Mississippi River drainage, and I mean they're literally everywhere walking around.

1437
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 5: We're finding little what do they call them, like celts

1438
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 5: or whatever, like little acts his oh points, like big

1439
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 5: giant points, little bitty points, and everything in between. And

1440
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, these guys are hunting too, like right here

1441
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 5: and this is where we're like, I'm hunting that tree

1442
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 5: line over there, and here's this point where some dude

1443
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 5: was here I don't know, a long time ago.

1444
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: The bean field.

1445
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in the middle of a bean field now,

1446
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: but back then it was like, you know, who knows

1447
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 5: what even looked.

1448
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what's that to you? Andrew and the whole

1449
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: in the podcast, anything stand out to.

1450
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 5: The part where the guy was talking about that Clovis

1451
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 5: discovery at the damn site and he was just saying like, hey,

1452
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 5: it's out there and if you know where to look,

1453
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 5: you can find it. And I don't know that just

1454
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 5: kind of that was really cool to me because I've

1455
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 5: spent a lot of time listening to that kind of

1456
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 5: you know subject, and I try.

1457
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: To find it, like every time I'm in the woods,

1458
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking like if I'm.

1459
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 5: In a creek, if I'm in a field or whatever,

1460
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 5: And that was just it kind of makes you think

1461
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: there was there's probably I don't know, maybe not talking Clovis,

1462
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 5: but after Clovis, there's so many people around making stone points,

1463
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 5: Like there's just no telling how many. I read a

1464
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 5: I think it was a book one time talking about

1465
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 5: early settlers in the East and when they started plowing

1466
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 5: up the first fields, you know, on the edges of rivers,

1467
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 5: and they were talking about just how many, like they

1468
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 5: didn't like the arrowheads because like their horses would step

1469
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 5: on them and get hurt. And they were talking about

1470
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 5: the big, giant, long flat arrowheads skipped the best on

1471
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 5: the water.

1472
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: And it's like nowadays, you found, you find that you like,

1473
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: frame it, put it in your house, but they're like, oh,

1474
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: it's one of these things skip it.

1475
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 5: So it's like what's been lost, Yeah, that's incredible, or

1476
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 5: what's on I live next to a lake in Alabama,

1477
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 5: and all of our lakes are man made flooded, and

1478
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 5: a lot of those sites are underwater now because they flooded.

1479
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 5: You know, those the river and creek confluences. And you

1480
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 5: have a nice little high spot, high flat spot right there.

1481
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 5: There's almost always a sight on it, and a lot

1482
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 5: of it's underwater now. Whether you're talking the lakes and

1483
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 5: rivers in Alabama or the southeast, or even.

1484
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: The coast because the ocean used to be lower. Somebody,

1485
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: what's under the air, Yeah, it's cool. Wow.

1486
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: You know to me that there was something peculiar that

1487
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: stood out with the Anzik Child because they linked this

1488
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: Stone Age human back to Northeast Asia. And we've all

1489
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: we've always known that, like we've always thought that's where

1490
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: Native Americans came from. But it truly wasn't until twenty

1491
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: fourteen that we were able to actually say, well, modern

1492
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: Native Americans here, they can trace their genealogy back to there,

1493
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: but we didn't know exactly the sequence. So to find

1494
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: this twelvey seven hundred year old human and then go, yep,

1495
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: they came from Northeast Asia was like this confirmation of

1496
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: what we already knew. And this is what stood out

1497
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: to me is that so I randomly talk about that.

1498
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: I don't talk about this a lot. I'm in the

1499
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: process of writing a book. The reason I don't talk

1500
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: about it is because it's so far out it's ridiculous.

1501
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: This book will be published in twenty thirty five.

1502
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: But there's this idea that this anthropologist came up with

1503
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: back in nineteen twenty six is when he published the

1504
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: paper on this what he called the circumpolar bear cult. Okay,

1505
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: And basically he was studying the people in the boreal

1506
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: forest in the northern latitudes, you know, because I mean,

1507
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, the globe has similar like Asia and North

1508
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: America and even northern Europe all has similar boreal ecology,

1509
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: you know. And as he studied, he was studying bear

1510
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: ceremonialism basically, like how these ancient people interacted with bears.

1511
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: And I won't go.

1512
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: Into all the detail, but he found oddly peculiar, bizarre

1513
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: similarities in the way that all the people around the

1514
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: earth talked about had stories about had here's one. This

1515
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: will give you one odd, odd example. And all these

1516
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: indigenous stories they talked about how bears sucked their paws

1517
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: in the den to get nurse, to be able to

1518
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: hibernate through the winter. It's just a random thing. He

1519
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: found that all the way around the boreal forest, that's

1520
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: what all the indigenous people kind of were in their lore.

1521
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: And basically the circumpolar bear call.

1522
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: His thing back in nineteen twenty six was that all

1523
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: these people were connected culturally, even though they would have

1524
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: never It's like, how did the people in northern Europe?

1525
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: How were they connected to people in North America?

1526
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 2: And basically the Anazac child confirms that they actually were

1527
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: physically connected. So like the some of the biggest indigenous,

1528
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: the most wild indigenous bear ceremonialism comes from northern Japan.

1529
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: There's these people called the an u Ai Nu, and

1530
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: the stuff they did with bears is just bizarre, raising

1531
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: them in pins and fat and them them out like cattle.

1532
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: And they did that in North America too.

1533
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, when I heard that, like, yeah, these people

1534
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: in America are from Northeast Asia, I was like, I

1535
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: could have told you that because of they all said

1536
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: that that bear suck their thumbs in the den, you know,

1537
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 2: you know, like you can you can confirm things culturally

1538
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: to anyway, just a long lended way to see.

1539
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 4: I've always been fascinated and there's only so much information

1540
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 4: out there. I've always been fascinated with their hunting style

1541
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 4: back then, because you know, he talked about you know

1542
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: that that woman had a like or the dietary. Yeah, yeah,

1543
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 4: the breakdown was similar to like some kind of cat

1544
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 4: because they're eating so much, you know, large mammal meat, right,

1545
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 4: And I'm so fascinated with like how do they hunt?

1546
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 4: And especially if there wasn't that big of a population

1547
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 4: of people, how did they keep from getting super injured

1548
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 4: and just getting killed all the time and be able

1549
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 4: to populate, Because like that that's something I find super fascinating,

1550
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 4: just as as a hunter's like how do they bring

1551
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 4: down some of these large animals, these large mammals.

1552
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they probably had a thirty year lifespan,

1553
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: and I mean the population was small. I mean, you know,

1554
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 2: I mean just think about they don't know, but you know,

1555
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean think about, you know, fifty thousand people spread

1556
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: across all of North America. I mean that's like an

1557
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: incredibly small population of people, but enough to you know,

1558
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: like keep it going if you had a thirty five

1559
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: year lifespan, you know, and and kids were dying and

1560
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but.

1561
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 4: Well then also he was saying that there's been no

1562
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 4: evidence found of any kind of inbreeding or anything like that.

1563
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 4: You're thinking about if there's like these small person individuals,

1564
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 4: you know, for a generation, and they're traveling at some point,

1565
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 4: you think that would happen just because the lack of people,

1566
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 4: but like again, they haven't found evidence of that, which

1567
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 4: is fascinating as well.

1568
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is what I was going

1569
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 2: to say about the ghost population and the study on

1570
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: how much these people were carnivor is so hard. Every

1571
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: time that you learn something, you learn that it's like,

1572
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: but some people don't buy it, Like the whole ghost population.

1573
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: There's a whole group of people and.

1574
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how credible they are that have that

1575
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 2: thing completely figured out and they believe it's an error

1576
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: in the way that we read genetics. So so like

1577
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 2: Meltzer who and you know, you can just like kind

1578
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: of trust the expert you're standing in front of it

1579
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: at least that they've like done their homework, and I

1580
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: trust what he says.

1581
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: He believes it, he thinks the science is legit.

1582
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: There's a point I'm gonna make about what you just

1583
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: said too that I didn't I thought about saying the

1584
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: ghost population, it's there, but there's skeptics. Well, so there

1585
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: was this. So with the Anzac child, these people modern people.

1586
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,440
Speaker 2: Peer The reason I emphasized it was a peer researched

1587
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: academic paper in this reputable journal is that they published

1588
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: it and they did this deep isotope analysis, and basically

1589
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 2: they said that the you know, they can tell what

1590
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: the mother was eating when it breastfed this child, and

1591
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 2: that she was a carnivore and that her diet was

1592
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: most similar to the bones of a scimitar cat, which

1593
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 2: would have been killing large mammals. There's a caveat And

1594
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: I didn't say it on the podcast. Those guys that

1595
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: wrote that paper, as I understand it, sold, they were

1596
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: heavily invested in the Blitzkraig hypothesis that man was very

1597
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: involved in all the Pleistocene extinctions, and basically they used

1598
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: that paper to say man killed out all the big game,

1599
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: which is a political play of just like it's a

1600
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: political environmental about how terrible man is. And anyway, so like, actually,

1601
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: I Meltzer said it, so I can say it.

1602
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: I just didn't put it on there.

1603
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: He when I told him about that study, he was like, Eh, yeah,

1604
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 2: they think they know what that mama ate essentially is what.

1605
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 2: So anyway, so I put it on there because it

1606
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 2: was so dang interesting and there are legitimate people that

1607
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: think it's credible. But anyway, it's just like when you're

1608
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 2: talking about and I think This is what's most fascinating because.

1609
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: I love it.

1610
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: I think what I find interesting in modern times is

1611
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 2: kind of our hubris of how smart we think we are.

1612
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: And then and then when you really dive into stuff,

1613
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 2: you realize even in modern times, we can fly.

1614
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: To the moon.

1615
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: We know about the rings of Jupiter, but you know,

1616
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: as Barry Lopez says in his book Arctic Dreams, we

1617
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: know more about the rings of Jupiter than we do

1618
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: nar Waals, like, there's all these things that we like,

1619
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 2: we don't really know. And when you're talking about deep

1620
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: human history, man, a lot of times we're just kind

1621
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: of guessing, yeah, that's I love that because mystery remains

1622
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 2: in the earth. I mean, it's like we hadn't figured

1623
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: it all out. But that's what I like about a

1624
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: story like the Anzik Child is just like the mystery

1625
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 2: of it.

1626
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 3: I was fascinated by hearing the whole thing and the

1627
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 3: grand scheme of things, of what made those people migrate

1628
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: so fast, you know what I mean against the odds.

1629
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it was not a favorable environment to be

1630
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 3: able to migrate across this vast amount of land, and

1631
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 3: just you know, it didn't seem like there was a

1632
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 3: shortage of food. Didn't seem like there was a shortage

1633
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 3: of places to live. What caused them to move across

1634
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 3: the country so fast? You know? And like doctor Meltzer said,

1635
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: he's like, our job as archaeologists is to make huge

1636
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: assumptions on very little evidence, you know, and it's it's

1637
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: it's it kind of blows your mind to think about.

1638
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 3: But it happened, you know what. I mean, we have

1639
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 3: evidence that there were people all over at this at

1640
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 3: this point in time, and I just I find the

1641
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: idea of humans moving down the Pacific coast very interesting

1642
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 3: during the ice age there. That was Yeah, I mean

1643
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 3: just try to imagine that.

1644
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I said on that podcast, and obviously

1645
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: I didn't. I said it kind of tongue in cheek

1646
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 2: in a way, but I said, what if there's a

1647
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: technology one day in the bones of humans that will

1648
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:37,879
Speaker 2: tell you their motivation?

1649
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like like because if.

1650
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: You would have said one hundred years ago that you

1651
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: could in someone's bones, yep, be able to know what

1652
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: their mother ate when they when you were breastfat, I

1653
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: mean it's like you would have been like that's witchcraft.

1654
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and and uh.

1655
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 2: Who who knows the thoughts of our mind. Like you know,

1656
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: stress can cause you to die, Happiness can cause you

1657
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 2: to overcome actual physical elements and live longer. Maybe that's

1658
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: inscribed in our bones. Yeah, and one day they'll be

1659
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 2: able to be like hmm, it looks like Andrew's DNA

1660
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: looks like he had a bump of stress in twenty

1661
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 2: seventeen when two.

1662
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 5: Years had a bump of stress with Jacob went to

1663
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 5: Iowa with us.

1664
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: That'd be like hmm.

1665
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: It appears that if a business partner went on very

1666
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: uncalled for absence.

1667
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: Looks like it happened in the fall. Oh Man.

1668
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 5: On the migration thing too, by the way, something my

1669
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 5: brain just kind of ties.

1670
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: It back to that.

1671
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 5: They think that the people moved across this big, giant

1672
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 5: landscape and like relatively a short amount of time talking

1673
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 5: Alaska to the southern tip of South America, and you

1674
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 5: just think about those people migrating and moving. It's not

1675
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 5: the same people you know that walk from Alaska, but

1676
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 5: through generations they were in you know, rainforests, deserts, yep prairies,

1677
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 5: rocky mountains and it's just all the different places. It's

1678
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 5: like imagine if you were one of those people that

1679
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 5: was nomadic and migratory and you went from like Montana.

1680
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 1: To Mexico or something in your lifetime.

1681
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 5: Just the amount of change and the animals that you'd

1682
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 5: be hunting, the habitat that you'd be living in, the

1683
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 5: scarcely of resources between, you know, if you're in the Pacific.

1684
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: Northwest versus the desert, right. I don't know, that's fascinating

1685
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: to me.

1686
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 6: Do they have any idea of how many generations it

1687
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 6: took for them to get from Alaska to South America?

1688
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: I asked Meltzer and we just kind of passed over

1689
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 2: it real quick. But I initially said did they do

1690
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: that in like a couple of generations? And he said no, no, no, no,

1691
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: not a couple And I said five thousand years And

1692
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: he's like, oh no, no, no, way faster than that.

1693
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you get the I got the impression it

1694
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 2: is a couple hundred years.

1695
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. And That's what I'm getting at too, is like

1696
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 1: that's not a long amount of time.

1697
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 3: Really, No, especially when you don't know where you're going.

1698
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 5: You don't know where you're going and you don't have

1699
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 5: have like a headlamp or anything.

1700
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 6: Is there a lot of evidence stacked on like the

1701
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 6: Panama Canal there, because I mean, like so many people,

1702
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 6: like everybody would have funneled like deer hunting.

1703
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: That's where you put your staff.

1704
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,480
Speaker 3: If you were man hunting.

1705
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 4: Hunting, imagine when they were cutting the Panama Canal in

1706
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 4: anything they might have found it just like disregarded, yea,

1707
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 4: all that excavation. Yeah, I mean, in all honesty. I

1708
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 4: mean that's a great point.

1709
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: Bear Well, I mean, but in the tropics, everything just

1710
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: I recycle so quickly. Only thing that would have been

1711
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: left would have been lithic points, you know, stone points.

1712
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: But I thought it was fascinating when he said that

1713
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 2: in Europe we have just copious amounts of maybe not copious,

1714
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: but like there's lots of ice age, human remains, animal

1715
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: remains in uh In Metin Aaron, a former podcast guy.

1716
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: He said that.

1717
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 2: They have all kinds of human masted on kill evidence

1718
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 2: in Europe, but here we have very little. And basically

1719
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,520
Speaker 2: Meltzer said, well, it's because there were so many people there,

1720
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: like Europe was, there were way more people there than

1721
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: there were here.

1722
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: But I mean it's just I don't know what it is.

1723
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know what it is.

1724
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: Because we all feel it like people that are connected

1725
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: to the land, especially through hunting. When you think about

1726
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: North America from Alaska to Florida, from from you know,

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 2: northern Canada down into you know, Old Mexico, they're being

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: like five thousand people on the continent. I mean, it's

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: just like it's just hard to hard to fathom. Yeah,

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01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: hard to fathom.

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Speaker 5: But what everything even looked like too, because one thing

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Speaker 5: he said that kind of caught me off guard was

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 5: that that that those artifacts are below like nine meters

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 5: of dirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, oh my gosh, we're.

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Speaker 2: Not going to be finding many of these, you know,

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 2: I mean, that's insane talking about people navigating the landscape.

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: This book, I'm reading a book called or I read

1739
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: a book called Arctic Dreams. It's about the Arctic and

1740
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: they he was talking about how when the Westerners came

1741
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,839
Speaker 2: to the Arctic and engaged with what they now call Inuits,

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: at the time they called them Eskimos. Still some people

1743
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: call them eskimos. He called them eskimos. In the book,

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: he said that the Westerners felt like the Inuits didn't

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: have a good sense of direction because when they would

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01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: talk to them. They would be like, hey, how do

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01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: you get from here to here? And the language differences,

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01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 2: like they could interpret what was being said, but the

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 2: way they thought about the landscape was so vastly different

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01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: than the Europeans that they had a hard time communicating.

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01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: But in the book, he shows a modern map of

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: this intricate peninsula that's surrounded by the ocean, and it

1753
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: looks like southeast Alaska or something with like just unreal coastline.

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01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 2: And they showed a real map of this peninsula, and

1755
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 2: then they show a map of a hand drawn by

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01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: memory map drawn by an Inuit man sometime in the

1757
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds when a guy just said, hey, draw me

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 2: a map of and this is like a fifteen hundred

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01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: mile long area in the in the the accuracy of

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01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: the hand drawn map by memory, it was unreal. I mean,

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 2: it looked almost the same.

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01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean.

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01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: And my point is when people are turned loose on

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01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 2: the land people that I mean, we've lost so much.

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: I mean, the human ability to navigate land, to find food,

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01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,480
Speaker 2: to understand natural systems.

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unreal.

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01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: But just thinking about, you know, it'd been interesting if

1769
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: you could have asked these people generations later who were

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 2: in South America draw a map of this continent from

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: the stories of where you came from. I bet they

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01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,640
Speaker 2: could draw pretty decent. I bet they would draw a

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01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 2: big land mass that got real skinny and then open

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01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: back up. I mean, because that's what they would have

1775
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: known that, you know, they would have known there's an

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01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 2: ocean over there and an ocean over here and anyway,

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:38,919
Speaker 2: just all that's so fascinating.

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I was actually talking to some guys about

1779
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 4: this previously that with the implementation of newer technology in

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01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,959
Speaker 4: the lastly fifteen twenty years, truly how bad not everybody,

1781
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 4: but a lot of people's memory is because you don't

1782
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: have to remember as much as previously just where I'm

1783
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 4: like growing up and remember phone numbers. Yeah, now it's

1784
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 4: like on your phone and like you just don't even

1785
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 4: think about You just click it and go to their name,

1786
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 4: their contact, and it's like imagine like those everything was

1787
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 4: by memory, and it's like it's something that like it's

1788
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 4: hard to like even think about of how good probably

1789
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 4: their memory had to be in order to not only navigate,

1790
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 4: but also communicate with younger generations of where they've been,

1791
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 4: where they're going and things around them because it's all memory.

1792
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 4: They didn't have any other way to you know, document it.

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01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 2: I think that's probably a modern purpose person's biggest achilles heel.

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: What if all the contacts in your phone got erased?

1795
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: Just like how would you call your wife?

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 4: You know?

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01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we don't remember. That's that's a

1798
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 2: good example. Yeah, well, hey guys, we've been uh, we've

1799
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: been going for an hour and twenty two minutes. Any

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01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: closing thoughts. I really appreciate you guys coming up here.

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Speaker 3: Nothing.

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really have any other than it's

1803
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 4: great to kind of see the studio now and spend

1804
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 4: some times with you guys, because I mean, the thing is,

1805
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 4: it's all awesome when you know we could see each

1806
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 4: other maybe once a year or something like that, but

1807
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 4: also be able to spend some time together and get

1808
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 4: everybody's different thoughts on like topics that we've discussed. I

1809
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 4: love this is the reason why I love podcasting is

1810
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 4: because it gives you a chance to express this that

1811
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 4: you know you might not be able to do in

1812
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 4: other settings and be able to document. So no, we

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01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 4: would just appreciate it.

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01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: Clay, Yeah, man, Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. I

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01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: don't have much to add to that. I appreciate it's

1816
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: really cool to be say something, maybe a little more.

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01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: Church it up a little yeah, church it up a

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 3: little bit.

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here.

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01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for coming. Southern Outdoorsman Podcast episode. We're

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01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: on episode six ninety two out here. Yeah, so these

1823
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 2: guys have been pounding it out.

1824
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: We got a bunch more to do this week too. Yeah.

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01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the that's the oneture going this week.

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01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 4: Uh, we're gonna go to Missouri for this, So we'll

1828
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 4: be in Missouri for a handful of days and back

1829
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 4: to our sol interviews with more guys as we're heading

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01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 4: back south.

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01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 5: Okay, then a two week break and then we're hitting

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01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,879
Speaker 5: the road going up the Eastern seaboard.

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01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, man, Well, thank you guys for coming. Keep the

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Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears do