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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: Is a lovely Friday here in Pittsburgh. And it's also

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Speaker 1: lovely because Matt, we're less than a week out from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft right now, how about it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: by this time next week we will know who the

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Speaker 1: Steelers took in the first round and we will be

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Speaker 1: prepping for this round two and three. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what the drive schedule is for next week, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll do well. We won't do one.

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Speaker 1: We'll do on Wednesday. We won't do one on Friday

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Speaker 1: because you and I are on the radio all night

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Speaker 1: long Thursday and Friday and Saturday. I get no break

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Speaker 1: starting nine pm Thursday until close, So I don't think

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Speaker 1: we'll be doing drives Friday. But Monday will be in

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Speaker 1: a heavy and you know, just check out our coverage anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll have lots of good stuff on SNR for you

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Speaker 1: all to listen to, and we'll talk to the draft picks,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to coaches, we'll talk about the draft picks

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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. Lots of fun stuff to

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Speaker 1: get through. Uh, what's the one thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get through today, Matt to start the show off, is

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Speaker 1: that March March Sesler on NFL dot com did a

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Speaker 1: little project here where he ranked every quarterback draft class

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Speaker 1: since the year two thousand. Yeah, okay, and yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I just want to run through this when people talk

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Speaker 1: about this current draft class and how it's awful and none,

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Speaker 1: none of these guys should be first round draft picks,

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Speaker 1: Let's just roll through this to see who have been

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Speaker 1: guys who have been first round draft picks. And he

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Speaker 1: also has guys who have hit in each of these drafts,

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Speaker 1: like even even if they weren't. So it gives you

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Speaker 1: every quarterback it's been drafted and each draft lass. We'll

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Speaker 1: start at the top, no surprise there the two thousand

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Speaker 1: four draft classes number one, and yeah, I think it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty easy one, to be honest with you. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: JP Lossman at twenty two. But then Matt Shop in

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Speaker 1: round three, Matt Shobs an amazing hit in round three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is first of all, I think this exercise will give

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Speaker 1: what you can expect out of a quarterback lass. These

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Speaker 1: are the great ones, these are the terrible ones. This

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Speaker 1: one will shortly end up being somewhere in between. It

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Speaker 1: won't be the worst one, when ever, it won't be

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Speaker 1: the best one ever. But I also I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: said that about job because that was a big thing

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Speaker 1: I was to take away from this is. Not only

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Speaker 1: is I think there will be three Hall of Famers,

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Speaker 1: and with the first three guys taken, but if you

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Speaker 1: get a career like Matt Shobs at ninety overall, that's

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Speaker 1: a huge win. I mean, like he's an eight to

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Speaker 1: long time. Like we probably said something similar when CEOs

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Speaker 1: took Mason Rudolph. If you get a match shop like

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Speaker 1: career auto Mason Rudolph in the third round, that's a

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Speaker 1: huge hit. Absolutely, even you know Luke McCown in round

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Speaker 1: They had high hopes for him. Yeah. Uh he has

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Speaker 1: the two thousand seventeen draft class ranks second. Might be

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Speaker 1: Patrick Watson, here's the thing. Mr. Drobiski went second overall

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Speaker 1: Mr r Bisky. He's been a Pro Bowl quarter back now.

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Speaker 1: John I mean Baker Mayfield at once, Sam Donald at three,

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys in this draft class. It just

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Speaker 1: didn't pick. Yeah, I mean, a lot of quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: It's Alan and Lamar jack and that's it it is.

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Speaker 1: But I think Mayfield carries a little bit of weight.

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Speaker 1: Donald's been bad. Baker Mayfield a starter for somebody next year,

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I would. We rarely say good

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Speaker 1: Alan and Jackson carry a lot of I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: up somewhere. Those kind of things happened here, but they're

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Speaker 1: right now. There are some guys starting. It's Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: thousand five draft classes fifth That was Alex Smith number one,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers went at twenty four, Jason Campbell at twenty five.

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Speaker 1: How about that man? Flip up those guys and that

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Speaker 1: would be a heck of a drafted. My buddy Charlie

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Speaker 1: That was the sixty seven, Andrew Walter at sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: argument this draft class is better overall. Yeah. Again, that's

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Speaker 1: where I get the recessly bias here, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: Rogers is an all time great. Yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: had a better career than Baker. Oh, absolutely, clearly. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: or Smith. Derick Anderson went to a Pro Bowl. Uh.

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Speaker 1: guys in that was a starter. Yeah, Andrew Walter was

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Speaker 1: contend that this would be second ish if Luck didn't retire.

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Speaker 1: We'll just what I mean, you get super Bowl winners here, right,

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of Pro Bowls for your third

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Speaker 1: Wilson's Hall of Fan type. Actually, the two guys who

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Speaker 1: seven two thousand one draft class, that was Michael Vick

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Speaker 1: and Bruce Gurugkowski, and then bringing up the rear in

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Speaker 1: the seventh round was DJ Shockley. Let's give Bruce a

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Speaker 1: But Cutler is the best of this group. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Vince Young was a bust. Sorry, I can't give him

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Speaker 1: in to Young a whole lot of credit here. Leiner

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Speaker 1: was a bust. It's pretty bad class, really bad class.

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Speaker 1: The nineteenth thread a D class was class Sam Bradford

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Speaker 1: number one overall, Tim Tebow, a little Jimmy Clawson in

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Speaker 1: the second round at forty eight, Colt McCoy and round

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Speaker 1: three Mike Kafka on two. In round four, Round five

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Speaker 1: was John Skelton and Jonathan Crumpton, Round six Rusty Smith,

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Speaker 1: Dan Lea Fever, Joe Webb, Tony Pike, and then a

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Speaker 1: round seven was Levi Brown not the offensive tackle, Sean

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Speaker 1: Canfield and Zach Robinson. Yeah. Not good. Then Bradford made

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty million dollars in his career. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and had a thirty four eight one record, injuries, constantly

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Speaker 1: changing teams, never made a Pro Bowl, never just never

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs. Yeah, I don't know that he was

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Speaker 1: a colossal Jamacus Russell bust. No, it wasn't that, you know,

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Speaker 1: but it was a pretty pretty big around him in

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Speaker 1: this lass, right, Keyboyah. The number twenties the two thousand

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Speaker 1: two draft class, that was David Carr number one, Joey

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Speaker 1: Harrington number three, Patrick Ramsey number thirty two, bust the bus,

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Speaker 1: the bus, the bus is horrible. Uh. In round three

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Speaker 1: it was Josh McCown at one. He might be the

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Speaker 1: best of the group round four David Girard and Rohan Davey.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the low bar of making the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: David Girard is yeah. Uh. Round five was Randy Fasani,

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Speaker 1: Kirk Kittner, Brandon Doman and Craig Noll, j T. O'Sullivan

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Speaker 1: and Stephen Belisari went in round six and round seven

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Speaker 1: Seth Burford, Jeff Kelly, Ronald Curry, West Pate. And undrafted

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Speaker 1: that year were Seawan Hill and Chad Hutchinson. That, my friends,

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Speaker 1: is a bad draft class. I mean David Carr didn't

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Speaker 1: have much of his had no chance, Yeah, but he

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Speaker 1: did nothing. Harrington was horrible and the only person who

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Speaker 1: would the only person who would say that David Carr

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Speaker 1: had a successful career is probably Derek Carr, and he

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Speaker 1: would just be repaying his brother from Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: a bad spot for people in the media. Might be

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Speaker 1: a good coach some day. Two and at twenty one

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Speaker 1: was the two thousand thirteen draft class. E J. Manual

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Speaker 1: at sixteen, Geno Smith at thirty nine, Mike Glennan at

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Speaker 1: seventy three, and round four you had Matt Barkley, Ryan Necibe,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones in round seven, Brad Sorenson,

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Speaker 1: Zach Diser, b J Daniels, Sean Renfree, and notably undrafted

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Speaker 1: was Matt mcgloyd. This is a class that people were

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Speaker 1: should be worried about if the Steelers going to say

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Speaker 1: we have to take a quarterback, right, none of these

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Speaker 1: guys were even good prospects at the time. Annual was

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Speaker 1: overdrafted to say, everyone knew that when when Manuel went

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Speaker 1: in the first round, Ebody went, huh, I mean this

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Speaker 1: sounds crazy and it's not acent true. But Landry Jones

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Speaker 1: has somewhat of a used to say he's the best

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Speaker 1: one of the group, and Mike Lennon and Gino Smith

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Speaker 1: are fighting are probably are probably the top two guys.

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Speaker 1: It's so bad and then you're in then this Landry

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Speaker 1: Jones like, it's that's a bad draft class. No way

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Speaker 1: as this class resembled this one, the upcoming one, No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And then the worst draft class in

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Speaker 1: the in this millennium is the two thousand seven draft

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Speaker 1: class of JaMarcus Russell number one overall, Brady Quinn another

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Speaker 1: Brown's mistake at Kevin Cobb in the second round, along

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Speaker 1: with John Beck and Drew Stanton in round three. It

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Speaker 1: was Trent Edwards in round four, Isaiah stand Beck in

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Speaker 1: round five, Jeff Rowe and Troy Smith in round six,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer in round seven, Tyler Thigpen, and a notable

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Speaker 1: one drafted was Matt Moore and he might have been

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Speaker 1: the best of the group. Marcus Russell might be the

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Speaker 1: biggest bust in draft history. Yeah, but I do want

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Speaker 1: people to remember if you weren't following things in two

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Speaker 1: thousand seven when the Raiders made that pick. Remember Calvin

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Speaker 1: Johnson was second, who was about the easiest guy to

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Speaker 1: scout in the world. No one said, boy, the Raiders

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Speaker 1: are crazy, right, you know, I mean sure things aren't true.

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Speaker 1: Things they are not, especially at the quarterback position. It's

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Speaker 1: probably the toughest to address or look at of any

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Speaker 1: position in football, no doubt, because you would have a

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Speaker 1: bad situation like that Worries knew with Lawrence. You know,

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Speaker 1: if that situation doesn't prove soon, you're gonna do so

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Speaker 1: much because you can't measure what's between the guys head.

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Speaker 1: You can't me between his ears. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that well he's a mental midget or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: You don't know how they're going to deal with not

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Speaker 1: having success. Yeah, or everybody handles everybody handles us stuff

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Speaker 1: differently on the field. I mean a lot of the

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Speaker 1: mental aspects of it, not just even the off the field.

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Speaker 1: You know, some tons of that stuff because a lot

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Speaker 1: of that stuff they're guessing at and the pressure that

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Speaker 1: they deal with and dealing with. They got money in

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Speaker 1: their pocket now, Yeah, spokesman for the for the franchise,

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Speaker 1: the face of the Franchi and all like all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: huge insurance commercials or whatever Baker's dealing with right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That was Mark Sessler's ranking of every every quarterback draft

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Speaker 1: class since two thousand. We'll see where this one ranks here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe next year he'll do a similar thing. I would

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Speaker 1: guess it probably comes in somewhere towards that ish after

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Speaker 1: year one. Yeah, somewhere in that right, right. But we'll

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Speaker 1: see a uh, you know, some of these guys in

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Speaker 1: five years from now. We may have a completely different

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Speaker 1: look at this one. But we'll see. We're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break. He as Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally.

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