1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I heart ideas. How 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: stuff part You have probably heard about our topic today, 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: the study that is making their rounds in in our 5 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: news cycle about men and recycling, and specifically heterosexual men 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: who don't recycle because they are afraid that doing so 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: will make others perceive them as homosexual. Right right, So yes, 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: this is a story homophobia, among other things. That's the 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: first thing I think, you recycle? How dare you? You You 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: must be kay? I mean that I thought that was 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: what we are about. No sarcasm. Um. There has been 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff I just wanted to say at 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: the top before we get into this. Um there there's 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: been a lot in the news lately about the merits 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: of recycling, the problem of recycling poorly that a lot 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: of us do. I know that. I was shocked to 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: learn some of the things I should have been doing 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: this whole time and I didn't realize, like taking the 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: little slippy thing off bottles, I didn't know that. Yeah, um, 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: so keep that in the back of your mind as well. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: The China not taking our waist anymore, or recycling. So 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: some places are burning it um, thanks Trump not properly 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: washing items out, the cost of recycling um. And in 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: a lot of ways recycling is privileged access to bins 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: or a police recycle time to do. I will say 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: one of my favorite UM day after stories. After a 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: night of drinking and partying, I had been telling people 28 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: about this that I heard a story about how we're 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: doing a bad job recycling. We need to wash out 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: all of our plastics. And the next morning I woke 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: up and I opened the dishwasher and there's all this 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: plastic stuff in there. I called out, who did this? 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: What is this? And my friends, like you said, we 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: didn't clean our arts. Your friend was doing exactly what 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: you asked. I surely might melt into the system and 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: everything goes wrong and with the actual such flasher, but 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 1: she was doing what you asked. I guess I can't 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: blame her. You're right. Also just wanted to mention side note, 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: people have been recycling since four dred BC. Does that 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: look like long time? I mean I think it's probably 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: just you know, be doing using. Okay, So, just to 42 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: start out, the average American produces four point three pounds 43 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: of waste a day, adding up to an annual two 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: hundred and forty three million tons. The more industrialized the country, 45 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: the more waste it produces generally. But okay, so this 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: this study that we mentioned, Researchers at Penn State University 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: recently published a study and the journal Sex Roles called 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Gender Bending and Gender Conformity The Social Consequences of engaging 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: in Feminine and Masculine environmental Behaviors That found participants perceived 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: men who used reusable tope bags as a less masculine 51 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: And not only that, the nine sixty participants also coded 52 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: recycling and clothesline drying as a more feminine thing. Both 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: male and female participants reported that, which of course is 54 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: a bad thing in our ridiculous gendered society. Previous research 55 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: has come to similar conclusions, and this has an impact 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: on the health and future of our planet. So that's huge, huge, 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: and yet still relatively minor on the scale things, considering 58 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: that as nine companies were responsible for two thirds of 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: global emissions from the start of the industrial age until now. 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: That said, attitudes like this do you point to larger 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: problems like homophobia and may restrain effective climate climate activism, 62 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: And again, going back to we've talked about it before 63 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: the reaction to ao c S Green Deal and the 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: criticism around it, A lot of it did seem to 65 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: boil down to be quiet. You see a little girl 66 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: and stay away from my man Hamburgers. You want to 67 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: take away meat? You you monster, do like meat? Though 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: I do too, I do too. But it was a little, 69 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: just a bit, just a bit um. And we've also 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: talked before about the feminization of the Democratic Party at 71 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: large and climate as a part of that is damaging 72 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to having a global impact on climate change. 73 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: And on a personal note, I have to say when 74 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I see people doing environmentally friendly things, I never, to 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: my knowledge I have thought that they are gay, but 76 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: I have thought, um, they're probably liberal, which is messed 77 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: up in itself. I agree with you on that, never 78 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: really placed some idea of a sexual identity on it, 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: but did think of it as a city thing quote unquote. 80 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Grew up in a very rural area and that didn't 81 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: have uh any of the city trash pickup or recycling 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: bends in any of that such, and so I had 83 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: no real idea and stuff behind recycling. I knew what 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: it was, of course, I watched Sesame Street recycle, reduced 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: reuse sesame street. I did learn that girls like, hey, look, 86 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of power behind us with this. But 87 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: up until recently, we either um um just took the 88 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: Either just took the trash to a city dumpster, which 89 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: actually cost us money because you have to weigh it, 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: and or you just burned it and that was it. 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: In the backyard, we had a little special spot where 92 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: we burned the trash and that was the end of 93 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: the story. In anything else that didn't burn, you just 94 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: took it. And I think even now my parents do 95 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: that because they don't have access to trash bends were 96 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: still so far out of the city lines quote unquote 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: that we don't have access or my parents don't have 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: access to that. So part of that is a I 99 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: did come from a small town that didn't have that 100 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 1: be we couldn't really afford or had the time because 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: they had four kids. Again, this is all excuses, but 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: essentially we were like a lower income growing up, so 103 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: that was not an option or a thought. Yeah and me, 104 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: it was never about anybody being gay, No, no, it 105 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: would seemed like more of a privileged and more of 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: a pupity. Yeah, city and exactly than anything else. My so, 107 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm also from a very small town, but um, my 108 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: dad is super He was the environmentalist in our family, 109 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: and um it was we always did it, but we 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: did have to. Like that reminded me of you know, 111 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: you would save up the cans. Did you get twelve 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: cents a can? But if we wanted to recycle, we 113 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: we would put stuff under our house for storage because 114 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: it was thirty minutes away, so we would like have 115 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to make it worth it to go out there and 116 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: would be you know, recycling day or all go out 117 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: and sort and do stuff like that. I think we 118 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: gave our cans to an uncle who would walk to 119 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the It was an all day walk for him to 120 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and get that money and change back so he could 121 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: buy us gum. Yeah you really wanted some gum? Huh? Yeah, No, 122 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: I didn't want it. They just brought it to us. Okay, 123 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: that was that was this go too. That's an interesting one, um, 124 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this. I also was wondering 125 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: why it is that caring about stuff like your health, 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: as we discussed in our our why men like meats 127 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: and women like salad episode the health of the planet, 128 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Why is that feminine weak um, feminine and thus weak. Yes, yeah, 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: that's that's pretty ridiculous. Um. Some researchers suggest women prioritize 130 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: altruistic issues more than men, or maybe as to do 131 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: with empathy or lack thereof. I kind of wonder. No 132 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: one really, to my knowledge, brought this up, but I 133 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: was sort of wondering, especially the use reusable bags. Maybe 134 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: it's just on weird association with women carrying bags and 135 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: men normally don't. Yeah, but we have white messenger bags 136 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: and briefcases that's all been in use for years, and 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: briefcases a sign of status. Right. There's one of my 138 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: dear friends who works here, Chandler. He carries a briefcase. 139 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And Chandler is like, Chandler is not He's a T 140 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: shirt and flip bops. I love. But in my head, 141 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, see that means he's a status he's 142 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: got a break case. Maybe that's his way of really well, yeah, 143 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: with all the bits and pieces of the information, it 144 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: just seems like assigning something as effeminate makes it an 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: automatic negative. This, of course can be another episode. But 146 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: how did the political and social agenda begin to weaponize 147 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: gender in such a weird way. I know, it's a 148 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: whole historical patriarchal society thing, but to define an idea 149 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: as girly or wimpy like environmental issues or health just 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: seems so far fetched. It's almost like an S and 151 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: L sketch. Yeah, Like it's like and I first read 152 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: that that recycling was associated with being gay. Yeah, I 153 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: was like, this is an onion article, right right? It 154 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: was so absurd, Yeah, totally. The study bound also that 155 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: when given the option between partnering with a member of 156 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: the opposite sex that was gender conforming and gender nonconforming 157 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: when it came to environmental hablets, so eco friendler choices 158 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: for women within their realm, within this feminine realm that 159 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: we've made up, so not so much like caulking windows 160 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: as the example, they kept giving, and non eco friendly 161 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: choices for men. And yes this is hit or hetero 162 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: normative men are more likely to go with the gender 163 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: conforming option. Um. Yeah, so when this woman was when 164 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: if if given the example again calking windows, this woman 165 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: was more likely to have her sexuality thrown into question too, 166 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: even though that is an environmentally friendly thing, but it's 167 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: seen as more manly construction you don't do construct. Women 168 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: don't do contruct You can't build things. The sides say 169 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: men at work, not women. Why could be doing that. 170 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: Some of the other pro environmental behaviors are pebs, as 171 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: a study labeled them. We're paying your bills online, which 172 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: I just see as convenient, like first environmentally friendly good 173 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: plus right A is convenient because I'm lazy and don't 174 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: want to actually write things out. So if I can 175 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: do it as an automatic withdrawal, wonderful. Be Usually I 176 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: get some kind of benefit from it. You know, um, 177 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: whatever account gives you a small discount, and I'm like, yeah, yep, 178 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: give me that. Also, you don't have to stread it, 179 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: although probably your information is available online, but you don't 180 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: have to go through this streading up the paper. And 181 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: then people also stole things from the trash cans and 182 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: recycling bents all the time. I know. That's why I 183 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: tear things up and then I mix them up in 184 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: different Do you do that too, It's like it's kind 185 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: of like sprinkling about. Yes, I got like a little 186 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: box and every week I put a little bit in there. 187 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get my info unless I go to 188 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: a store where all of it stolen anyway, this is 189 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: a different episode um turning off the A C also 190 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: was in there, which is weird because that's my dad. 191 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: My dad would deal out about how Yeah, they would 192 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: say money as well as shutting the door. These things 193 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: were closed off, and I've never heard my mom. My 194 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: mom would definitely do that, but my dad would be 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: the one to be complained the loudest about that. And 196 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: my mom would be like, I'm cold, I'm going to 197 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: warm with like something along those lines. Yeah. So I've 198 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: never seen that as a feminate either. Yeah, definitely environmental. 199 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's social like where you're at. Maybe yes, 200 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: And I will say, and we're going to talk about 201 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: this a little bit more in a second. At first, 202 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: I was hesitant to talk about this at all because 203 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: all times these studies come out and then catch headlines 204 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: and it's kind of the news cycle getting really excited 205 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: about something that there might not be that much actually there. Right, 206 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: But there have been several studies around this and they've 207 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: found similar things. So even if it's hard, people are 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: complicated and it's really hard to get to one thing why. 209 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: But there has been a lot of research done around this. 210 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: And there is something going on, right, I mean, they've 211 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: done research about why people aren't doing it to begin with, 212 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: and kind of like you and I talked about why 213 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 1: we I didn't do it growing up, but what the 214 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: reasons were. It kind of was like, wait, but there's 215 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: a bigger significance in this population more than that, So obviously, yeah, 216 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. Um. Women in the study, 217 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: they express a desire to associate with women who shared 218 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: their views on the environment and the behaviors that came 219 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: along with that. Yeah. From least, study author Janet case Swim, 220 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: she says, we were surprised that it was only women 221 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: who experienced being avoided if they engaged in nonconforming gender 222 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: role behaviors. We can't say why this is happening, but 223 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: it is a social consequence. Women may be experiencing this 224 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: negative feedback and might not know why, Like, that's my 225 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: whole life negative feedback and that's going to be on 226 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: your tombstone. Perfect. So see, this is an example of 227 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: homophobia hurting everybody everyone, um, primarily LGBT que plast people 228 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: of course, but everybody. This is deeply ingrained. Even a 229 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 1: dude who is all for l g b t Q 230 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: plus rights might shape at being quote mistaken for being gay, 231 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: um same for women. It can lead to violence or 232 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: refusal to back down to make sure manliness is intact 233 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to fights. It contributes to a culture 234 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: that accepts the degradation and even assault of women. It 235 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: might prevent men who suffer from depression, anxiety, and suicidal 236 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: ideation from seeking help for fear of seeming gay. So 237 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: this is this is pretty big. It's pretty big. It's 238 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: very important, and we do have other studies that we 239 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: can talk about in regards to all of this. But 240 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: first we're gonna pause for a quick break for words 241 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Now we're back, Thank you sponsor. There 242 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: is another study we wanted to touch on from Scientific 243 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: American from looking into what they deemed as the gender 244 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: gap between green behaviors. Two thousand Americans and Chinese participated. 245 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: It's similarly found a connection between environmentally friendly behaviors and 246 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: perceived femininity. It built on earlier studies that found women 247 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: litter or less, recycle more wasteless water and electricity, and 248 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: overall have less of a carbon footprint than men. In 249 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: the study, participants were asked to rate the environmental friendliness 250 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: of a canvas bag, and then the perceived masculinity or femininity. 251 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: Almost everyone gave it the check this canvas bag as 252 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: environmentally friendly um, and almost everyone coated it as feminine, 253 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: no matter the gender of the person carrying the bag. 254 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: In another experiment, men were given a flowery pink gift 255 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: card a k A. A girly gift card, and then 256 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: we're asked to use it to buy either regular or 257 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: eco friendly items, and they were more likely to a 258 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: shoe the go friendly stuff if they had gotten the 259 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: flowery pink card is supposed to a regular, non coded 260 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: feminine card. And I love in the steady the language 261 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: they used. We threatened their masculinity with a pink, flowery card. 262 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: It's so serious, but it's so silly. Um. There are 263 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: bags to that say I use this bag because my 264 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: wife cares about the environment. So gosh, all right, yeah, 265 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: I think that just grows overall. I mean, I go 266 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: for the puns. Have you seen those bags where it says, 267 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, um, turn up for what? And when I 268 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: mean turn up, t you are in I p let 269 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: us Do you have have the turn up for what? Oh? 270 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: That's oh, Samantha I love you even more. Yeah, I 271 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: mean it's obviously better. And how is that a feminate? 272 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: It's just who doesn't love a good puntae vegetable pun 273 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: Those are the best of the punts. Come. I'm glad 274 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: we agree on that. Um. And yeah, this is I 275 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: Like I said, this is very odd to me personally 276 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: because my dad in our family was all about protecting 277 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: the environment. He kind of led the charge in our house, right, 278 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: And like I said, my parents weren't really at all 279 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: into it. I don't know their opinion about it now, 280 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: but the dudes I hang out with are now more 281 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: likely and more thoughtful than I am about it. Like 282 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: they will go and rents out everything and make sure 283 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: it's completely dry, take a part everything put you know, 284 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: they are the ones that did that. I'm just gonna 285 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: sit there and just sits in my bag and my 286 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: weight to do it at the very last minute of 287 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: any of the things. So I'm like, yeah, I don't 288 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: see that. Maybe he's just the people I hang out with. Yeah. 289 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that's also the ways that I attributed to 290 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: like city life versus rural life. Yeah, yeah, I think 291 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: those are both valid points. Another study found that this 292 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: behavior of safeguarding masculineing when it comes to green behavior 293 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: is conducted in public and private, which is fascinating too, 294 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: main tain your self perception of your your masculinity fascinating. 295 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: On top of that, men are more likely to work 296 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: in the waste and recycling industry, and these industries have 297 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: even launched campaigns focused on increasing the number of female 298 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: workers in their ranks. Worth noting um because it came 299 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: up from several articles. Makeup and fashion industries, largely made 300 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: of female consumers, produce a lot of waste um and related. 301 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: If you look at the zero waste movement that largely 302 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: falls to women as well, makeup and all. So this 303 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: is exactly what it sounds like if you're not familiar. 304 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: It's you know, producing zero wastories close to it as 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: you can using Mason jars, organizing refrigerators. According to Vox, 306 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: this too has been feminized, largely because women still do 307 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: most of the grocery shopping in this country. It's another 308 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: piece of this. All we women are supposed to be 309 00:17:54,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: having the perfect clean home is labor intensive. There's also 310 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: the bad aspect of it. Since women usually carry bags, 311 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: they get the joy of carrying all the were usable utensils, 312 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: nap constrals, Mason jars intense. When it comes to this 313 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: zero waste movement, you can also find arguments out there 314 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: that waste and pollution impacts women more than men. That's interesting. Yeah, 315 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: I think, um, the whole no waste movement and doing 316 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: all of that, that's a lot of work. When I 317 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: watch people talk about how they have to do it 318 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: and what they do, it's a lot of thought process. 319 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm lazy, but I need to do better. 320 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: I need to do better. But I think it's gonna 321 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: be a little while of fried to get to the 322 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: no waste part of all of that. Yeah. Um, I know, 323 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: Joe keV on my calendar on September six, be better 324 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: because it's after jacking. Got I'm not gonna be better 325 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: during dank and I'm gonna be worse. I'm at my 326 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: worst thing jacket. Yeah, okay, okay, all right, and I 327 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: got you, I got you. Um. But that's the topic 328 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: I would love to return to some day of um, 329 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: waste and pollution impacting women more than men? Um, because 330 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: there are there's a lot of studies out there about that, 331 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: and especially like when it comes to fertility and breast cancer, 332 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: things like that. Anyway, future episode. We do have some 333 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: more in this very episode though, but first we have 334 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: one more quick break for work from our sponsor and 335 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you sponsor. So um. On a grim note, 336 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: according to some scientists, we may only have eighteen months 337 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: to do something about climate change before it's the point 338 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: of no return, before it is too late. Um. So 339 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: this is this is an important conversation to be had 340 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: right now. Even though like we said at the top, 341 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: really companies are the ones we need. Yeah, but but 342 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: the behaviors that we have on an individual level can 343 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: influence things like that, because if the individuals in that 344 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: company are having these also negative things and also capitalism 345 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: and we we can't forget that, but it does make a difference. 346 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: One of the studies suggested masculine friendly marketing around eco 347 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: friendly products of behaviors, which I guess if it helps, 348 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: but oh my gosh. From Scientific American eco friendly marketing 349 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: messages and materials can be designed to affirm men's masculinity 350 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: and give them the confidence to overcome their fear of 351 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: being judged as feminine when engaging in green behaviors. For example, 352 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: and one experiment, men who receive feedback affirming their masculinity 353 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: were more interested in purchasing an eco friendly version of 354 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: a cleaning product. Men who feel secure in their manhood 355 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: are more comfortable going green. Second, green products and organizations 356 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: can be marketed as more men environmentally friendly. That was them, 357 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: not me um with more masculine fonts colors, whereas and 358 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: images used in the branding to illustratement. In one experiment, 359 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: were more likely to donate to a green nonprofit with 360 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: the masculine logo, which black and dark blue colors featuring 361 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: a howling wolf with the name Wilderness Rangers and bold 362 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: font than one in a traditional logo. Green and light 363 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: tan colors featuring a tree with the name Friends of 364 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Nature and a frillly font make the man feel manly, 365 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: and he's more likely to go green. I don't we've 366 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: got the solution. This is helping. I also have seen 367 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: ads lately come my way on this very show about 368 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: like um. They're trying to turn cleaning into a masculine 369 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: thing so women feel better about doing it. This is 370 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: missing the whole point. But is this like a reverse 371 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: psychology type of It's like women, we know that it 372 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: takes a real tough person that cleaning the house, and 373 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: that's women doing most of that work, So you're super tough. 374 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: What is happening? What is happening? Wow? Anyway, Um, these 375 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: are these are legit suggestions, just to drive that point 376 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: home again, because we do try to end on what 377 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: can we do? These are the suggestions we found, So 378 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: make your marketing more manly. Another suggestion is using more 379 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: male figures and ads about sustainability. I mean, we do 380 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: have Bernie the Bernie Bros. But they listen to Bernie 381 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: with his stuff about global warming and overall sustainability. That's cool, Right, 382 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: We're already a step up. Maybe all of this feels 383 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: so we're just making We're still saying it's worse to 384 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: be a feminine or gay, and so therefore we must 385 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: change everything so that men can feel comfortable. I love 386 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: empathy and that's good kind humanity. Yeah, I like I 387 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: like a planet that's habitable. Again. I know there's been 388 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about recycling, and they that recycling 389 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: is not the end all, bey'all. But this all these 390 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: habits to just so much more than just recycling, like 391 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: not even bringing a canvas bag. Um and Stephen Colbert. 392 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: After this study came out, he ran with this the 393 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: earth maybe boiling and broiling to a crisp But according 394 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: to a new study, men don't recycle to avoid looking gay. Really, really, man, 395 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: is there no limit to straight male fragility? This isn't 396 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: just to toxic masculiney. This is literally toxic. And as 397 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: a rugged heterosexual man, I feel responsible to convince my 398 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: fellow harry chested man men like caring for the earth 399 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: is butch as hell? Oh my god? You know what? 400 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: This doesn't remind me a little of um the Parks 401 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: and Rec episode with the lawe versus Ran. I feel 402 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: like that's an interesting because kept thinking about that about 403 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: the dudes who are like the Ron Swanson type dudes 404 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: who who live off the earth and who make all 405 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: their own stuff, and they're always seen as supermanly. But 406 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's just when it comes to carrying bags. Yeah, 407 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: we need to get rid of we need to recycle 408 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: these outdated gender attitudes and just move forward, move forward. Yeah, 409 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: let's not assign things with gender as gender about that? Yeah? Um, 410 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: so that's where will we'll stop for this episode? Um 411 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: we do wanna um do an episode around eco feminism. 412 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: That's something that's been I've been excited to talk about 413 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: for a while, So if you have anything about that, 414 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: please right in. We're planning on bringing back listener mail soon, 415 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: so get those are yes, yes, no, it's exciting. Get 416 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: those letters coming. You can emails at Steph Media, mom 417 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: Stuff at i heeart media dot com. 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