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Speaker 2: Set back to behind, Zorn, who's back to pass as

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Speaker 3: A bomb down there.

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Speaker 2: He's got a man in front. He makes the crab

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Speaker 2: And Zorn later in perfectly a Rabel who goes in

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Speaker 2: to score on an eighty yard pass and run play.

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Speaker 1: Now, here's your host, the voice of the Seahawks, Steve

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Speaker 1: Raebol and Seahawks legend Jim Zorn.

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Speaker 2: Well, hi, everybody, welcome to Seahawks Stories. Along with jim's Orn,

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Speaker 2: our guest today Lofaitupu, one of the great linebackers in

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Speaker 2: the history of this franchise, who kind of looked at

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Speaker 2: me inquisitively when he was listening to the open. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you really caught a pass when you were with the

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Speaker 2: Sea York. That was sort of what the question looked

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Speaker 2: like on your face.

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Speaker 3: No, it was forty times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew you have Oh yeah, yeah, we he

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Speaker 4: caught it at the thirty and went in. It was

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Speaker 4: a I think how they put it, a fifty five

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Speaker 2: That's what that's John Facenda. Remember John Facenda? Do you

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Speaker 2: remember the name Johnson? Do you who was the guy

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Speaker 2: who did the NFL films? And they talked like this

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Speaker 2: and a brisk breeze is blowing over. And when you

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Speaker 2: when John Facenda said your name in a highlight package,

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Speaker 2: now you you got used to it. But when he

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Speaker 2: said my name on that throws a fifty odd scream

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Speaker 2: of the Steve.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I could retire, be cut pass away. I've lived my

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Speaker 2: life to the fullest because John Facenda said my name?

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Speaker 1: Did you? Uh?

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Speaker 4: When did you start watching your highlight films? Not so

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Speaker 4: much personally, but did you have team films when you

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Is that like fairly new? Because

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Speaker 3: I don't remember. I still can't find any MO film.

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Speaker 1: I would say it's fairly old. Oh yeah, yeah, not

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Speaker 1: fairly new.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What they used to do would be every team

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Speaker 2: end of the season. So whether you were two and

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Speaker 2: kind of look the same. You're highlighting all the best plays.

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Speaker 2: So you'd have thought our first year that we went

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Speaker 4: We nearly went to the playoffs, and I could have

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Speaker 4: probably won the Super Bowl two and twelve exactly.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you focus on and in those days,

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Speaker 2: the PR folks would sit down with the producers of

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Speaker 2: And then then you mentioned a few of the rookies

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Speaker 2: You know, we had guys like Mike Curtis on our

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Speaker 3: I love watching him play.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh he he was a different cat,

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Speaker 2: Remember a fan ran on it on the field Baltimore

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Speaker 4: But he was not one of the guys that would

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Speaker 1: You know, he was kind of special. We have no water,

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Speaker 3: That's a different level of toughness, you guys.

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Speaker 2: It was just it was a different level of knowledge,

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Speaker 3: And and so you just and.

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Speaker 2: Quite frankly, and I think Jim would agree, once you

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Speaker 2: in my case with beer. But then then thank you

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Speaker 2: very yes, And Jimmy, I think now has actually found

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Speaker 1: Once in a while. Fine, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a you know, public knowledge,

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Speaker 4: What a spot that people use, but I've drank Beginness

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. I don't know how the hell we

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Speaker 3: That's something fun. Mike Curtis, he was the Cults before, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got him in the expansion Dravet exactly. That's

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Speaker 4: that's how he got to Seattle through the expansion in

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Speaker 2: Right, So we had most of our expansion guys and

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Speaker 2: Steve was in the expansion draft as a safety with US.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know if he did you do

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're got, that's what we're preparing for now.

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Speaker 2: And he was right.

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Speaker 3: The vast majority of.

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Speaker 2: The expansion draft guys were gone after that first year,

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Speaker 1: Well, that's all the time we have.

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Speaker 4: Look what was your first year here, two thousand and five.

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Speaker 2: Rookie starting middle linebacker for a super Bowl team?

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Speaker 3: It was incredible, And honestly, I'm not gonna say I

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Speaker 3: And I had a good cry after that game. And

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Speaker 2: Mind Folks who some of those defensive players were with

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Speaker 2: you in that that year?

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Speaker 1: This was Mike Holmgren's job. Were you I was here? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Grant Wistrom, Bryce Fisher, Chuck Darby, Rocky Bernard, Marcus Tubbs,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Hammlon and then Markwan, Manuel Corner, Dyson Herndon and Trufon.

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Speaker 3: And then the linebackers did that stay the same you

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Speaker 4: That stay the same throughout the year with you guys.

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Speaker 3: the communication aspect, which is huge, Like there's no secrets

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Speaker 3: the biggest part is, you know, we found our groove

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Speaker 3: and because I think we're probably like a fourteen or

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Speaker 3: lived off the big play to give that high powered

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Speaker 2: Was just gonna say, you had a pretty good offense

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Speaker 2: But the left side of the line was Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened.

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Speaker 4: That's what Mike wanted. He wanted the players themselves to

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Speaker 2: And this question just popped into my pee brain. And

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Speaker 4: It's invaluable, especially in the locker room, because they can

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Speaker 4: So and I will tell you later what some of

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It really a family environment, and you know, we went

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Speaker 3: That's a very close group.

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Speaker 4: When you think of all the you know, the plays,

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Speaker 4: Can you describe either like this, this moment that you

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you say that we talked about highlights.

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Speaker 3: I only remember the bad plays that.

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Speaker 2: Difference is Jim remembers my bad plays too. When you

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Speaker 4: I still think what's foggy is being on this hit.

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Speaker 2: you just out of shape, that's what he And I said, no, jim,

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Speaker 1: Jim Oh my gosh, and you know they put me in.

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Speaker 2: you had an injury ultimately that said I can't play anymore,

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Speaker 3: Not anything I can that comes to mind a lot

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Speaker 3: how are you going to play this week? Because I

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it a snowy night too? A cold night?

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Speaker 3: The five was the Monday Night Massacre they labeled it,

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Speaker 3: But both those games I saw Wyman after and he

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Speaker 3: I reminded now because he was asking me like he's like,

441
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 3: thirteen tackles three interceptions one hundred yards returned, so I

442
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 3: had a one hundred yard receiving Again. I thought we

443
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: were like right there with the one hundred yard games.

444
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 3: We are, but and so all I can remember was

445
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 3: I should have had another pick. Oh, and then I

446
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 3: should have had a sack.

447
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 1: And so I was just amazing.

448
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 3: I was still like I'd never been happy with any game. Yeah, like, yeah,

449
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 3: I was happy. Happy we won, right, as long as

450
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: we win, right, because I've had games where I had

451
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: like two tackles and hey, communication was solid. We got

452
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 3: out of there with the W. That's all I care about.

453
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 4: So you moved, you moved from playing and you you

454
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 4: actually were an assistant coach here. Yeah, okay, So how

455
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 4: was that experience? And why are you not a coach today?

456
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 4: Because it's been year what year.

457
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 3: Were you fifteen and sixteen? So it's been about eight

458
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: years yea.

459
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: So eight years.

460
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Speaker 4: So you started, you said I want to do this,

461
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,479
Speaker 4: I want to get out there and start coaching, and

462
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 4: you stopped.

463
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was newly retired, right, and just stay at

464
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 3: home dad, right, which is awesome. But and I was

465
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 3: just going to like high school games. I was living

466
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 3: back in Massachusetts at the time when they called me,

467
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: but they're like, hey, we have an opportunity, you know,

468
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I love football and I

469
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: wanted that ring, and I knew we still had that

470
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: that window still open, right, And so I talked to John,

471
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 3: talked to Pete, and you know, I was like, was

472
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: there anything on like maybe the scouting side. I really

473
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: loved the player of valuation and like finding like value

474
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: because talent jumps off the film, right, But who are

475
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: the guys that get overlooked? Right? And then you look

476
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: up later and they got a Pro Bowl or two

477
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: and you're like, who saw that? I've seen it a

478
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: couple of times. And so but I honored the contract,

479
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: did coaching, and I got to coach Bobby and kJ. Right,

480
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: So it's I don't know how good of a coach

481
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 3: I really was. Bobby already had two Pro Bowls, kJ

482
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 3: made his Pro Bowl.

483
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: What what was the thing that that said it's not

484
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: for me?

485
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: Uh So I have two boys, they were three and six,

486
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 3: and we had them around the football schedule, right because

487
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: my my first one was born during my last year,

488
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: and and then the other one just happened to be

489
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: in July. And so February. I missed the birthday because

490
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: of combine, and then a lot I missed it because

491
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: of camp, and so I missed third and sixth and

492
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: fourth and seventh birthdays. And I was like, I don't

493
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: know if I'm ready to make this kind of sacrifice.

494
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in it's long hours.

495
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: Is it goes my fast. It's fun, you know, like

496
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 3: you're back part of the team and like something bigger

497
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: than yourself. And just I fell in love with it.

498
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: It was just commitment was a little too great in

499
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: terms of sacrifice for you know, because the kids they're

500
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: now they're ten and thirteen, could be getting closer to

501
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: return to football because they don't want to hang out

502
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: with dad anymore. They know everything right, right.

503
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: So but you stayed here, you didn't go back to me?

504
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I love it out here. I was back there.

505
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: Me and my wife are both from back there, Rachel,

506
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: and so we were back there for two or three

507
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: years and then came back here and got some businesses here,

508
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: and just I love Seattle, right and Washington in general.

509
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: Well, and you're obviously you're you're an institution back here,

510
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: and you're a you're a podcast star. You've got what

511
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: fifteen podcasters or something. You do some incredible stuff. I

512
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: just I like to do things that are fun. Yeah, right,

513
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: your passion.

514
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: Have you been on his podcast?

515
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

516
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, goody.

517
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: He didn't invite you.

518
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: No, I haven't it.

519
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: I don't have Remember that, I don't have Jim's number.

520
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: Maybe you can give you. I'm not gonna get it.

521
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: I don't want are you kidding? I still want to

522
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: be one of the few guys from the old.

523
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: That's good team.

524
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: That's all.

525
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and he's kind of all over the place

526
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 4: because not only player, but the way you know he

527
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 4: is the Seahawks.

528
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: Seahawks. Yeah, that's that's fun.

529
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: That's I can't I can't lie to you.

530
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: Love it though, right, I do.

531
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you something else when when you were talking

532
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: and I started thinking about that two thousand and five season,

533
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: and of course, you know, Jim worked for Mike and

534
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: we're we're all really good friends and we love seeing

535
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: each other again. But I remember that game that won

536
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: the NFC championship at home Carolina, and I remember Sharon

537
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: was in the booth, my bride. Forty three years we've

538
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: been married, she was in the booth. So now anytime

539
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: we play in an NFC championship, if it's here, the

540
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: kind of the rule is she's got to be here

541
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: because we won every time she's been in the booth,

542
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: So that's that's one of the rules. But I just remember,

543
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: this is our We're going to the super Bowl, right,

544
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I had to say it to myself a

545
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: few times that we're going. We you know, I'm sitting

546
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: upstairs in the booth. These are the guys that actually

547
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: did it. You guys actually did it. But it was

548
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: just such a moment for the franchise, and I know

549
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 2: for Jim, for me as well, coming here in seventy

550
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: six when there was you know, it was kind of

551
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: bleak those first few years, but the fans they weren't

552
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: even known as the Twelves then, but fans hung in

553
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: there with us, and pretty soon you started building that

554
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: that team around some players and some coaches, and here

555
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: we go, We're going to the super Bowl. Now, what

556
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: happened on that Sunday in Detroit is a whole nother story, right,

557
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: as we so well know. But uh, and then you

558
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: mentioned Markwan Markwan, Manuel doesn't get hurt, and I think

559
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: we're in a pretty good shape to win that game.

560
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: Mar Kwang got hurt, Rock got hurt, you know, so

561
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: hey got you give credit to them, they won, right,

562
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: And I understand, you know the what happened in that game,

563
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: But if it happened the other way for us, I'm

564
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: not giving that ring back. So mad at Steelers, No, man,

565
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: I just don't like refs. But do you remember how

566
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: much fun that season was? Like we got on that

567
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: roll of like ten or eleven games straight.

568
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: Do you remember what was on the back of the

569
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 4: team meeting room. Remember we had ed he Climb and

570
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: either Todd or Mike had the whole wall covered in

571
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 4: Mount Rainier in a photo of Mount Rainier. And every

572
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: week we won, we had we were climbing the mountains,

573
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: and every week we won we had care Beaners. Yeah,

574
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: and I still have those things hanging in my garage,

575
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: you know, because and I thought, and I always think

576
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 4: about how tough it was to win. And you guys

577
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: had to go out there and do it. You're the

578
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 4: ones that went out and performed, but we we had

579
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: to also give you ammunition as coaches and hoping that

580
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 4: they would play consistently. And so we had a I mean,

581
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 4: the consistency week in and week out.

582
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

583
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: And I would say the easiest coaching job is when

584
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: a team makes the playoffs because the players take over.

585
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: You hardly have to say anything and everybody's so willing.

586
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: You're not pulling, You're not pulling anymore. You're you're you're

587
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 4: actually viewing guys and they're going give me the info.

588
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: Okay, got it. You know you don't have to say

589
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: anything more. I got it.

590
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, Uh, these guys come together.

591
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: It's a really tight knit. The chemistry, chemistry.

592
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: Even me Dede and Leroy because it started off me

593
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: d and Jamie Sharper. So we went through a versity.

594
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: We lost Jamie, we lost Ken Hammon, we lost guys

595
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: in and out of the roster, Dice and d Jack.

596
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: But the next man stepped up and did their job.

597
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: Like and it was just no one cared about any credit.

598
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: But like the chemistry with like Lero, I remember him.

599
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: We were in Saint Louis and Z was like getting

600
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 3: on us because like we were not messing up fits.

601
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: But I was like, dude, the only rule I have

602
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: playing with me? I did ever rule like you beat

603
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: me to the ball, I'll play off for you, but

604
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to beat you to the ball, so you're

605
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: gonna have to play off me. But one time, man,

606
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: I just saw blur. It was like Lero's first start

607
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: and I was like, what was that? Oh that was

608
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: Leroy hell And so I was like, oh, he he

609
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: spilled it instead of boxing it, so he forced it

610
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: to go outside instead of knocking it back to me.

611
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: So I was I'm just gonna go over the top

612
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 3: make the tackle on Steven Jackson and like it was like, man,

613
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: thank you for saving me. I was like, nah, dude,

614
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: Like those are the rules, Like we have fits, but

615
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: if they know, if an offense knows where you're going

616
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: to be every time, then it's to their advantage, right right,

617
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: So like you got to be a little.

618
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: Unpredictable, especially with alignment. Yeah, yes, we can predict your alignment.

619
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's becomes a long day. Or if they

620
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: can sit on the double team and then climb up.

621
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: You know, did you.

622
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: Have any communication between d line and you as linebackers

623
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: to know whether it was going to be a pass

624
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: or a run based on how an offensive lineman was

625
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: sitting and stuff like that.

626
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: Rabbit or run A rabbit meant run and the bird

627
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: meant passed, So like you would just get either a

628
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: hand signal or someone just turning. Yeah, hey you know, rabbit,

629
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: rab a rabbit. I look at the formation. It's near eye.

630
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 3: I was like, yoh, they're eighty five percent power out

631
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: of this formation.

632
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: So think about it.

633
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: That's that's that if you knew fifty percent of the

634
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: plays and the fifty percent is it's a run or

635
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: it's a pass. I mean you got a you've got

636
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: an advantage. And so the communication, uh, that's not It

637
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: may be a coaching tip, but you actually have to

638
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: do it in a game. Yeah, and uh, it makes

639
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: a huge difference.

640
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: It's more difficult in today's game, I would assume because

641
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: of things like motion and different formation groups and all

642
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. Right, my wrong.

643
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: I think RPO makes it because it really literally is

644
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 3: a run pass option, right. So, and but that's you

645
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: see like is getting penalized for illegal lineman downfield because

646
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: they don't have the timing down yet, like between the

647
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: quarterback and the throw and like, okays, he's open, I

648
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: can throw it now, anticipate it, right, they're kind of

649
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: waiting till they're.

650
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: RPO is easier in college football because of the lineman

651
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: can be down the field three yards and in the

652
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: NFL yard and a half, so you can't be inside

653
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: the box, no, and so I just have to make that.

654
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: Discissie, and especially if they climb to that second level

655
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: like the zone block, which I still think the zone

656
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: block is the toughest scheme, but you can beat it

657
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: strategically with your d lineman. Like I would just say, hey,

658
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: you have to win front side, and I'm gonna come

659
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: downhill on that first double team and I'm gonna pick

660
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: that guard off, like he will not stay on the

661
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: double team after that play, trust me, because you you

662
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: lay one of them on their backs. They're going back

663
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: to the huddle like, hey, you're not getting any help

664
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: to the center. They're like, next time we call nineteen

665
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: or whatever, I'm going to fifty one. And so now

666
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he climbs. I just tell them

667
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: win front side. I'm going to loop back around the

668
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: other side. We're both going to be free.

669
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: Because what happens as you start that double team on

670
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: that guy and both guys want to get the linebacker,

671
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: so so he uh this guard. The guard thinks, hey,

672
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: I've got to come off or the Yeah, the backside guard,

673
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 4: they got to come off and get the linebacker, and

674
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: the center is going I got to come off and

675
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: get him coming over the top and they go boo,

676
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: and then that d lineman is unblocked and you're just

677
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: pulling your.

678
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 3: Hand and rolling basketball.

679
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

680
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Really is my broadcast partner, Dave Linman uh talks about

681
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: it a fair amount, and that is as another middle linebacker.

682
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: So you guys obviously know each other so well. But

683
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: he always used to say, I would get the most

684
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: comfort by looking directly in front of me and see

685
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: Cortes's Kennedy's big butt right in front of me. He said,

686
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: cause I knew that Cortes was going to like envelop

687
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: two or three offensive linemen and he he wasn't going

688
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: to move, and if they missed him, he was in

689
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: the backfield. He said, that was the most comfort he

690
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: ever got. And to with great other great Hall of

691
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Famer Cortez Kennedy, to play with great players like that

692
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: really must be something terrific for guys like you.

693
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean on that team like Argus Hubbs

694
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: three thirty.

695
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: And move and Craig Tarrell could get skinny.

696
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: Craig Tarrel never got reached. Yeah, I proby. You can

697
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: go back and watch all the clips. I don't think

698
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: he ever got reached. And that was just the rule.

699
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I give you freedom, like to

700
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, make a play right, because you don't want

701
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: them to even be in the same position where the

702
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: offense knows, okay, he's always in the nose and they're

703
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: doing this, like so you can stunt and get around

704
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: and I'll play off of you, but you know, if

705
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: you get double reached, we got problems, like real problems.

706
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: What's really cool is to hear Lofa talk about, hey,

707
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: these are our rules, like they had rules and the

708
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: rules in his in his mind made a difference, but

709
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: I would I would also say he also learned how

710
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: to fund how to have good fundamentals playing in a

711
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 4: good position with good technique, so he could follow his rules,

712
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And those are the things

713
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: that the coaches can help. It's like and you can

714
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: see it on video and you can train it because

715
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: everything's filmed now and you can tell. It really disturbs

716
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 4: me when I see quarterbacks in the gun just standing

717
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: straight up and the first thing they do is is

718
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: sink down when they get the ball and everybody else

719
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: has taken a step, they haven't taken anything. And so

720
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: you know, those are the things that I want to

721
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 4: train guys and little things.

722
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 3: Well, because that's a trigger to me for my blitz.

723
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: That's right.

724
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, he stands up, doesn't even like

725
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: even on a dummy count. He doesn't get down like

726
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: it's coming, like the ball's coming. So if he does

727
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: this and then all of a sudden the next one,

728
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm taking off on that.

729
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: And I learned that with Largent and probably you.

730
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure not me.

731
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Come on, because.

732
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: Steve would always be down in a position where he

733
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: could just take off. He wouldn't be down in a

734
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: position where he'd sink and then take off. Efficiency that

735
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: you talked about, Yeah, it's it's it is efficiency. And

736
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 4: if you get half a step, oh you got it,

737
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: you got it made, and then you've then hey, we

738
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: got our rules.

739
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: I love that, you know.

740
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: And I was gonna mention when you when you talk

741
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: our rules, when you're talking about the defense out there,

742
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: did they ever kind of go either counter to or

743
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: you're not making it up on the fly. But you're

744
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: realizing in the situation, I know what you what we

745
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: talked about, and so you said it to the coach, Hey,

746
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: that ain't working.

747
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: We got our rules.

748
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if Mike knew about the rules. So

749
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: let's let's not show them this tape cutting you out

750
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: of this one. But it was like it was literally unset,

751
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: unspoken set of rules of like how we take advantage

752
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: because again, if we're just sitting, all we did was

753
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: play quarters, like and we were so aggressive with our safeties.

754
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: They were so good that it looked it was like

755
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: nine in the box. We didn't get a whole lot

756
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: of eleven looks until it was obvious passing downs right,

757
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: so then we would bring pressure or change it up,

758
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: but like we would play the seven man front, but

759
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: it was more like nine. That's why we're so good

760
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: against the run. And like people were looking at us

761
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: like how do they play quarters?

762
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: And stopped the runs and those and those quarters players,

763
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: those inside safeties they had gap control, they had they

764
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: had a gap assignment at the edge.

765
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you have to read that quickly. I'm

766
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: asking the question. You have to read that quickly, and

767
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: if it is passed you still have to get back

768
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: to your quarter.

769
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: No, but see we ran them underneath. Yeah, so you

770
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: were about to say it. Yeah, so we ran the

771
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: corners over the top and so now.

772
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: So be careful. So that's what.

773
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: So now you've got Cover two invert. Yes, right, you

774
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: got Cover two invert. The safety is going outside to

775
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: contain pushing everything back into him so he can have

776
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: glory and make tackles. But the corner actually is the

777
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: deep sake. He's the Cover two safety. He would never

778
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: go too far inside. If number one went vertical, you know,

779
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: he would would be inside, but he's not going to

780
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 4: show you. So you you think it's a safety zone.

781
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 4: So you have to really see how the how the

782
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: safeties uh connect with these and cover four or quarters. Uh,

783
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: that's that's different than a Cover two invert. Uh because

784
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: the safeties now they can jump and it's tough to

785
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: throw a slant. And we used to always say, if

786
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 4: you're seeing quarters, be careful because uh, because the number

787
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 4: the the will linebacker or the inside linebacker, he's gonna

788
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 4: he's gonna wall this guy, the number two receiver. But man,

789
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: that safety is gonna come hard because when he sees

790
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 4: him walling and you set up on a three step drop.

791
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: All he has to do is go get that slant

792
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: and he's gonna blow the guy up. And then the

793
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: you know, the corner. Can you know I always say

794
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: the corners always get they can always p I slants

795
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: because gosh it's bang bang.

796
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah inside of yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

797
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you.

798
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 3: Got to give us something. Many everything's going towards all.

799
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we've so now we've talked. We've talked really intricate football.

800
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Actually more than I was gonna say, more than maybe

801
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there. No, it was more

802
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: than I know, when you start talking about inverts and

803
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: things like that, I'm still I'm still with Sky and Cora.

804
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: That's how far back I go.

805
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: Cora.

806
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: Corner pressure, safety pressure, that kind of simple in those days.

807
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: What is lofa TATUPU? Now with two sons thirteen and ten?

808
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: You said, thirteen and ten, what do you guys and Rachel?

809
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: What do you guys do for fun? What's what's your

810
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: idea of a great day if it doesn't involve football.

811
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mostly centered around what the kids want to do, right,

812
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: and so coaching the flag football team. Right now, I

813
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: have to go back and look at a Green Bay

814
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: Packers team that they really got after my defense and

815
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: because you know why the kids weren't listening. It wasn't

816
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: my fun. Oh like, let's get honest. So now I'm

817
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: just gonna play all man because you know, I got

818
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: these guys. Well, he entered my zone and then he

819
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 3: took off. I was like, hey, it's zoned to man,

820
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: and I've taught you that, So I go, now we're

821
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: just going to play straight up man. So we're gonna

822
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: find out who the real players.

823
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: What is your thirteen year old and ten year old

824
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: play when they.

825
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, my youngest, he's right starting to get into sports.

826
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: We had him in basketball and it was it was

827
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: just comedy hour, like oh my god, like it should

828
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: be a Netflix special like off the videos. I have

829
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: a lot of traveling, a lot of personal fouls. But

830
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: but the older he got, he was late into sports.

831
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: I've worked with him a lot when he was younger,

832
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: like I was like, oh, you're gonna play baseball, football,

833
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: and he just he loves music and the youngest loves art,

834
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: and so we got him into Yeah, like my my

835
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: youngest plays on the computer and like drawing and the

836
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: tablet with shrink the computer generated art and stuff like that.

837
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: And so we got him into a coding and I

838
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: just I've never seen him happier, right, yeah, because he

839
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: was miserable when I took him to the ball field.

840
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: You see him concentrate on those he wanted.

841
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: To go back. It was a two hour lesson. I

842
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: was like, it might be a little long for like

843
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: what he's displayed for attention span, and he loved it

844
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: and went back the next day and the next day.

845
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: So and what type of music is it producing or

846
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 4: is it an instrumental everything?

847
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: He started with the drums, Thanks Mom. That was a

848
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: Christmas present like that Grandma gave him. And just whiling

849
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 3: away on the drums and then went to guitar. He's

850
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: doing vocals now at School of Rock and Isequi. So

851
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: he's done that, you know, and like they have concerts

852
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: and it's probably the most fun kid event I've ever

853
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: been to. Like the parents are partying at the bar

854
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: and the kids are rocking out. It's a lively atmosphere.

855
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: And so so he's learning a lot, oh yeah, a

856
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: lot of different instruments.

857
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: He's into everything, and I'm just trying to teach him

858
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: to follow through with one thing, right, like, hey, dude,

859
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: just come on, finish what you started. And like my youngest,

860
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: he's only trying a couple of things, but he masters everything.

861
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 3: So I got my work cut We got our work

862
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: cut out with each of them. But just I think

863
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: they've they've learned a lot from each other because they're

864
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 3: kind of close in age.

865
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

866
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: The biggest lesson that football sports, But because we're all

867
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: football players here, the biggest lesson that you've learned that

868
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: you've that you've applied to your life well past your

869
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: playing time.

870
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: Ah, it's a great question. I mean so many, but

871
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: no one does anything great by themselves, Like it takes

872
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: a team. And you know, just being able to trust

873
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: and show care and love for your team like that

874
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: was for me as a leader. That's what I've learned

875
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: from some of the great leaders I had that they

876
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: cared about what we were doing. They loved what we

877
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: were doing the sport, right, they loved ball, and then

878
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: they love their brothers, right, They loved the team, and

879
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: they would go out of their way if they saw

880
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: someone struggling. Hey, you know, what can I help you with?

881
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: How do you know? And so? But just being part

882
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: of a team and something.

883
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: There are you do you staying connect in contact with

884
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: teammates and hang with these guys and have relationships deepened?

885
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: Or yes, you know and you know because it's crazy.

886
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: I talked to some of my friends that have Super

887
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: Bowl rings and right, and I'm like, hey, you keep

888
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: in touch with I mean, I must have been a

889
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: tight group. We were, but just now it's not kind

890
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: of but you notice a lot of us stayed up here, right,

891
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: truthfout's from here, Babs. You know, there's so many guys.

892
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: You have to work at it too.

893
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: You have to work at those friendships because it's it's

894
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: not forced anymore, Right, it's not practice. And what are

895
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 4: you doing all day at practice? Well, I'm hanging out

896
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: with you? It's not like that. And plus you're married.

897
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 4: There's different relationships. There's skill involved with developing a friendship

898
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: with your old teammates.

899
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: Right, takes time and effort, right, But anything you love,

900
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: you're going to put in the time in that.

901
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know, again, next year will be

902
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: fifty years for us. That's the birth of the franchise

903
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: fifty years ago next season and just in the last

904
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: year and a half. And I think part of it

905
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: started around COVID time. But one of our former teammates

906
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: from back in those early days started doing a zoom

907
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: call and we get a bunch of guys, we have

908
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: one tonight.

909
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: Did you know that? I do know that?

910
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I tried to get pop a Fig to.

912
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: Hey, he's going to be He's going to supposed to

913
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: be there?

914
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: Is he? Yeahause, I gave I don't know that he

915
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: can talk computer.

916
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: I think that's his biggest problem is it can't make

917
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: it work on the computer. But then that's the case

918
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: for a lot of us.

919
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: I tried to be on but I couldn't click the.

920
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: Right hit the right button. I don't know what's wrong

921
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: with this thing. Can I do it?

922
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: You know?

923
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Can I call you on a on a telegraph? No, Fig,

924
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: that's not going to work either. But it has been

925
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: so much fun for us, And you know, I still

926
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: see all these guys. I mean, I still see Jim

927
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: wearing the number ten jersey and you know, got the

928
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: page boy haircut, and he looked like he, you know,

929
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: just fell out a l magazine or something. And and

930
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: yet we're now in our seventies and it's so amazing

931
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: to just sit and listen and everybody talks and we

932
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: all still laugh.

933
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: We laugh with each other as.

934
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: Friends, and we we you know, we commiserate, and we

935
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: we mourn when we lose one of our own, and

936
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: we've lost a number of them over the years. But

937
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: that may be the best part. It's what you're talking about.

938
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: It might be the best part of what we did

939
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 2: back in the day. Was now we can still enjoy

940
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: all those guys.

941
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: The memories just come flooding back. I was down this

942
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: is the twentieth year for my national championship, when Many

943
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: and my team and I went down to the nil

944
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: dinner and you know, I saw one of my bodies.

945
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: He's like, man, it's you know, it's been a while.

946
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, twenty years. I haven't seen you

947
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: since Miami when we played Oklahoma. How's it really? I

948
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: was like, and like, I can't remember what I had

949
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: yesterday for dinner or but like I'll remember details of

950
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: meetings and where we were, what happened.

951
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: And like Lofa, you know, we had our alumni game

952
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: and I always see Lofa at the alumni game as yes,

953
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: you do as well. But what's interesting, I know you

954
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: because we you know, I'm I'm a fan and I

955
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: was a coach when you were on the team, and

956
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: so it's easy. But there's a lot of guys that

957
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: are in that in different generations of retirement that have

958
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: been Seahawks players that I don't even recognize. How about you?

959
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: Do you? Uh?

960
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: Do you know every single guy that or do you are?

961
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: There's some guys that you don't recognize.

962
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: I try to, but everybody I played with, like yeah, yeah,

963
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: you know, sure my memory hasn't gotten that bad yet.

964
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's hard to know who played and who.

965
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: Had guys look different like yeah, Tobeck and hot you

966
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't right, Yeah, and still hilarious though. Yeah that that

967
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 3: was a fun group to hang out.

968
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well offensive linemen usually are. We had our

969
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: nick bebouts and our rd qs. We had the fun

970
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: guys too.

971
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

972
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Listen, Well, we know you've got something you've got to do.

973
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: We all have other things to do. But I just

974
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: want to say thanks you. You invited me, You were

975
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: gracing us gracious enough to have me on your on

976
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: your podcast, and it was great fun talking to you guys,

977
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: and we always enjoyed And one day when you're like

978
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: you don't have anything else to do, you can invite

979
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: Jim and.

980
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, who's your partner in crime on your podcast?

981
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Is it just you? Oh?

982
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: My boy, Brett Davern he's he grew up in Edmonds

983
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: up here in Washington and it's a long time Hawk

984
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: fan and like so he comes to a lot of

985
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: all the home games. But then he'll like he'll he'll

986
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: come around and like we were into the suite one

987
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: time and he walked up. He was going to ask,

988
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, a gentleman a question, and then he goes,

989
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's Mario Bailey because he's a big

990
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: Washington Husky fan, and uh he like forgot like having

991
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: to talk. And I was like, I was like, yeah,

992
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 3: it's Mario. Like he's like Mario Bailey and I was like, yes,

993
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: it's Mario Bailey. He's a cool dude. Ask him a question.

994
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: What were you going to ask?

995
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's always great catching up with with you.

996
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: And uh, we we love.

997
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: Seeing you when you're around on Sundays, always making a

998
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 2: point stop by, you know, either down on the field

999
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: or upstairs. And Zee, you know you and I get

1000
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: see each other almost every Sunday as well, so we

1001
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1002
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: Uh. Best of racial based.

1003
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: To the kids, and thank you as always, LOFA and

1004
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: to all of you out there, thanks so much for

1005
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: joining us as a part of our Seahawks stories this week.

1006
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: I will have another episode coming up for you, probably

1007
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. In the meantime, Go Hawks.

1008
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: And thanks for being with us all right, see you later.

1009
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: Appreciate you. I love you guys listen, love you too,

1010
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: and