1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. 2 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: kicks off right now. We have a lot of news 4 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: to get to, but the big tragic, breaking news story 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: of this morning is our first. 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Our first thing we have to discuss. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Here a shooting at a church that was in it's 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a Catholic church, a shooting there. It 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: was the school that is attached to this parish that 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: was having its opening day mass. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: This is something that I was in Catholic school. We 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: used to do as well. 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: You begin the school year with a mass, and at 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: this the Annunciation Catholic Church, this morning there was a 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: mass shooting. The students had gathered in this church. The 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: reports are as follows. There are going to be updates 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: on this. We will bring you updates as soon as 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: we have them in real time over the next three 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: hours of this program. Here's what has been reported so 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: far are that there are two fatalities from this, many 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: more wounded taken to local hospitals in Minneapolis. We don't 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: know the extent of those wounds. The shooter was shooting 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: through stained glass windows and there could be additional bullet 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: wounds of those who have been taking these hospitals. 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: Likely that is the case. 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: They're also though maybe glass or debris wounds, which would 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: hopefully be considerably less serious than if anybody was hit 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: by actual gunfire from this shooter. We know that there 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: are a number of additional injuries, and we don't know 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: the status of those who have been taken to those 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: area hospitals. They are being worked on and treated currently. 32 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: Press conferences are underway. I just saw a Mayor Fry 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: of Minneapolis giving a press conference where he was expressing 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: his condolences to the families. 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: I was just going to update. This is just come down. 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: This is courtesy of Fox News. Let me hit you 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: with these two details. Literally in the last minute, police 38 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: chief confirmed shooter. And we'll play this audio for you. 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: I just sent it to producer Greg armed with a rifle, 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: shotgunned and a pistol. 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: Quote. 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children. 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: Sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: of children, absolutely incomprehensible. And here is the awful fatality news. 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: Two young kids eight and ten years old were killed 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 3: sitting in the church pews. So that is just announced 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: by the head of the Minneapolis Police Chief, Brian O'Hara, 48 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: And again we'll get you the official audio of that, 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: but literally in the last minute, that breaking news. So 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: two innocent kids, eight and a ten year old shot 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: and killed sitting in the church pews this morning. 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: If there is a final circle of hell, who would 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: shoot children in a church belongs there? This is about 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: as evil as anything as any act could be. Clay 55 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: Also in the news, I'm wondering why they haven't made 56 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: this connection, or rather police are not saying they are connected. 57 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: But there was a separate mass shooting right next to 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: a Catholic high school in South Minneapolis yesterday. Seven people 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: were shot there, one fatally, and the suspect escaped. He 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: fired thirty rounds from a rifle. So someone fired thirty 61 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: rounds from a rifle in South Minneapolis yesterday killed someone, 62 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: seven people shot, and today at another church setting in 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: this I think the first one. It was near a 64 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: Catholic high school. This case, it's a church that has 65 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: a school attached to it, and the students were gathered 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: for their We used to call it a convocation mass 67 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: when I was at a Catholic high school, so I would. 68 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: I would think that there's a high likelihood, Clay, that 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: these are related up but maybe not. Maybe that's why, 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: Maybe there's details we don't have yet, and that's why 71 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: law enforcement is not connecting them. 72 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: But it certainly seems to be the case. 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: The shooter is dead, self inflicted gunshot wound, is the 74 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: reporter we're getting so far, Which would which which would 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: under the circumstances often be the case with a mass 76 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: shooting like this, The cowardly gunman will take his own 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: life as soon as he has committed massive carnage and destruction. Clay, 78 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: we don't have any information on the shooter yet. I 79 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: have been in contact with a couple of reporters who 80 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 2: are friends of the show, who are trying to get 81 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: that information from law enforcement asap, just because then we 82 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: might get some sense of motive. We know the shooters 83 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: all dressed in black. We don't have anything beyond and 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: the weapons that he had and it was a heat. 85 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: Beyond that, I don't think we have any identifying information. 86 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: But this is is a reminder of some things that 87 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: unfortunately are going to be very There's no answers for 88 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: this other than it's incredibly evil and evil exists in 89 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: the world. I think that there is a turning toward 90 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: church generally in this country and to the Catholic Church specifically. 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: That is an incredibly good thing for the nation and 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. I'm among those who has returned, who 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: have returned to the church in recent years, and really 94 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: am a believer and working on my faith. And so 95 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: you see this and you think, well, we. 96 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: Don't know the motive. 97 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's tough to get beyond the the reality 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: of this is just such an evil and heinous thing, 99 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: and obviously it seems to be anti Catholic in nature. 100 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I can't get beyond that description. 101 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, Clay, is it Is it 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: someone who is a someone along the lines of the 103 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Nashville school shooter, for example, who's a anti Catholic, anti 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: traditionalist terrorist. Is in anjihatis? 105 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: We don't know. All we know right now is the 106 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: tragedy of the shooting. 107 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: Let's play a couple of these cuts that just have 108 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: come in buck from the Minneapolis Police Chief. This is 109 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: Brian O'Hara addressing the media. Cut twenty seven. 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: During the miss a gunman approached on the outside on 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: the side of the building and began firing a rifle 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: through the church windows towards the children sitting in the 113 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: pews at the miss shooting through the windows, he struck 114 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: children and worshipers that were inside the building. The shooter 115 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 4: was armed with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. 116 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children 117 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: and other people worshiping. The sheer cruelty and cowardice firing 118 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible. 119 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: I would also point this out, Buck, I thought everything 120 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: you said was very well articulated. Minneapolis has had a 121 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: for a city of its size, a lot of really 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: awful violent acts. I mean, first of all, the George 123 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: Floyd riots we all know, which basically burned down. 124 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: Huge parts race riots that burned down a section of 125 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: the downtown. 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just had in the Minneapolis area, if I'm 127 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: not mistaken, the guys show up and shoot politicians, and 128 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: then we had the massive search for that, and now 129 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: we have this shooting, and again there's violence everywhere. But 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: I would point out I believe Minneapolis, because the police 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: were so attacked in that community, is still operating at 132 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: an unprecedented level of lack of police. In other words, 133 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: I think they still need to hire back hundreds of 134 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: police officers to be able to do the job there, 135 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: and there's been just a cascading series of violent acts 136 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: over the last five years. I would just suggest maybe 137 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: possibly having not demonized the police and having hundreds of 138 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: more police officers there because Buck, as you know, during 139 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: the race riot BLM burning down of that city and 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: many parts of it, a lot of police just said 141 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: I'm fed up. Nobody has our back here at all, 142 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: and there are massive needs for hiring of police officers. 143 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: Here is cut twenty eight. This is awful news, but 144 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: I want you to hear it from the police chief. 145 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: These were Catholic school kids celebrating morning mass targeted by 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: the shooter, and the two deaths eight year old and 147 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: a ten year old sitting in the church pews. 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: Listen. 149 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: Two young children, ages eight and ten were killed where 150 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 4: they sat in the pews. Their parents have been notified. 151 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 4: Seventeen other people were injured, fourteen of them being children. 152 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: Two of those Chatrin are. 153 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 4: In critical condition. The coward who fired these shots ultimately 154 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 4: took his own life in the rear of the church. 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: Our hearts are broken for the families who have lost 156 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: their children. 157 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: It sounds like, and I know this police officer has 158 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: probably seen a lot of awful things in his life. 159 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: It sounds like he's struggling. Brian O'Hara there to even 160 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: get through having to inform everybody of those details. I 161 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: would bet that he's a dad. I know a lot 162 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: of dads and moms. Eight and ten year old to 163 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: die is just beyond comprehension. 164 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: From copside, I knew on the job in the NYPD, 165 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Clay who had been on for twenty years, the hardest 166 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: thing for them was always the bad stuff and the deaths, 167 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: sometimes murder use or through something like this, through a 168 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: through a gang shooting. The deaths of kids was always 169 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: a thing that you know, the cops can't even they 170 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: can't even really talk about it. 171 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: They can't go there. It's too upsetting, understandably, but. 172 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: That's something that comes with the job that they carry 173 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: and and you see that with law enforcement officers you know, 174 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: across the country when they deal with these situations and 175 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: unfortunately it comes up and it's something that's that's. 176 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: Obviously hit here. 177 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: You know, there's there's gonna be I think a lot 178 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: of discussion about motive here. Once we know who the 179 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: individual is, the much we'll see how much of this 180 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: is delayed, because that always tells us a bit about 181 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 2: how the media is trying to frame this issue. I 182 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: was just talking to friends of mine here about the 183 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: concealed carry. 184 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Rules in Florida. You can in some religious institutions conceal carry. 185 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: I believe you have to get specific. 186 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: Permission though, but in this case, I'm not even sure 187 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: how much that would have. 188 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: Look. 189 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: I'm a big i conceal carry. I'm a big concealed 190 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: carry advocate. I think it's the only thing that can 191 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: reliably reduce violent crime in from a civilians we're talking about, 192 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: not for what cops can do from a civilian standpoint, 193 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: but in this case, the guy walked up to a 194 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: building and. 195 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: Just started firing into the building. 196 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm not sure that there would be 197 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: even reaction time. And this is also it's in one 198 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: of these situations when when parents are going to be 199 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: finding out, you know, two families are finding out they're 200 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: bearing their little boy little girl. Is the worst thing imaginable. 201 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: You have kids, Clay, I have a son. Now, it's 202 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: like hard to even think about in process and honestly 203 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: haunting to even imagine what the pain is those parents 204 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: are going through. This is a situation though if you're 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: asking for it, just a pure tactical and law enforcement analysis, 206 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: the fact that it's not twenty or thirty kids dead 207 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: is it could have very easily been that under these circumstances. Right, 208 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: So the the shooter here, fortunately, and I know this 209 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: is a horrific circumstance, but fortunately had not planned this 210 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: out with degree of proficiency where the body count could 211 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: have been much higher. And I know that's not any 212 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: that doesn't comfort any of the families who have either 213 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: lost their children or their children have been gravely wounded 214 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: in this, but just as a society, it's a reminder 215 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: this could have been a lot worse based on the 216 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: fact pattern that we know. 217 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: Well, this happened at the Covenant School here in Nashville, 218 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: as you mentioned earlier, and I think religious institutions, sadly, 219 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 3: certainly synagogues and Jewish schools have had to do this, 220 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: but a lot of them now have armed security because this, 221 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: unfortunately has begun to happen too frequently. 222 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: To your point, when you have somebody there. 223 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: Are synagogues here in South Florida that I know of 224 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: specifically are concealed carry friendly, and they should be. 225 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: I agree. 226 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: I think that is an excellent decision for those those 227 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: Let me tell you this. I'm sitting in that I 228 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: was just in church on Sunday with carry and the baby. 229 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: I want to know there's a you know, a law 230 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 2: abiding American patriot in that in that church who's concealed. 231 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: You know, if it's not me, I want somebody to 232 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: be concealed carrying in there. 233 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: I've been arguing this for a long time. I mean, 234 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: my kids have armed security at their schools. I think 235 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: it should be standard to have armed security. Unfortunately because 236 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: of where we are and a lot of schools and 237 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: unfortunately a lot of religious institutions as well. In this case, 238 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: speaking to the facts here, if someone's going to go 239 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: up to a building and just start firing a rifle 240 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: off through a glass window, now you could say, maybe, 241 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: you know, I'm wondering he did move into the structure 242 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: at some point, so I'm not sure at what stage 243 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: where the children hit Initially, I'm just looking at this 244 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 3: from a security security review security analysis perspective. If the 245 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: children were hit when he initially fired in that's going 246 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: to be very difficult for anybody, good guy with the gun, 247 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: law enforcement officer, anybody to react to beforehand because he's 248 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: just opening fire from a distance. But then if he 249 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: entered the facility and continued to shoot, that's where having 250 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: somebody can steel carry might have made a difference. 251 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: But I don't know how you know. This is where 252 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: you need to know the timeline. I don't know how 253 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 2: quickly this guy shot himself in the back of the church. 254 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: I don't know what exactly happened. We'll find out more 255 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: about this, but it's just it's just the most awful thing, 256 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: and it's uh, you know, it's tough to play, even 257 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: even to be in our This is the one of 258 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: those days where to be in the in the world 259 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: of talking about the news is emotionally and spiritually challenging, honestly, 260 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: because there's no there's no way to make this better 261 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: for people, and I wish that there was. 262 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think again, from the parent perspective, I 263 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: think you're experiencing this now differently as everyone who becomes 264 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: a mom and dad is when you hear this story. 265 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I've got a ten year old. A lot 266 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: of you out there have ten year olds, have eight 267 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: year olds, have kids, grandkids, And again, I think you 268 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: could hear it in the police officer's voice as he's 269 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: trying to describe what exactly happens. So we'll continue to 270 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: update you on this again. Minneapolis. Two young kids tragically 271 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: killed while they were sitting in church pews this morning 272 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: by a deranged, lunatic mass shooter in Minneapolis, a city 273 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: that has certainly had its share of awfulness. And we'll 274 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 3: also update you on the need to continue to hire 275 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: more police officers to do our best to try to 276 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: limit all of these different incidents. 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Let me give 295 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: you more updates on the awful news coming out this morning, 296 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: because we are still waiting to see exactly the outcome 297 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: for the people who were taken. This is taken to 298 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: the hospital. Eleven patients according to Hennepen Healthcare in Minneapolis, 299 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: nine kids ages six to fourteen. Four kids required hired 300 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: emergency surgery and are listed as critical. Right now, we'll 301 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: have that audio for you, but just fyi, I mean 302 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: that means they got hit with bullets pretty much, so 303 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: they got hit Just FYI want to update you with 304 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: that and if you want to pray for those that 305 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: are still receiving treatment. We'll play that audio again the 306 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: emergency medicine at the medical facility in Minneapolis. The director 307 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: has spoken, we'll play that audio for you. 308 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: Won't come back the again. 309 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: You know, this is something we went through a lot 310 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: of this back in the CIA days, and we were 311 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: talking about trauma wounds from from bullets and essentially clay. 312 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: If you're in the hospital and you're hitting an extremity 313 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: of chances are you're going to be okay. So the 314 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: ones who are critical will probably hit either in the 315 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: admin or the head. Now the fact that they're still 316 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: in critical condition means that there's no hope for them. 317 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: But it's it's a that's very serious obviously. 318 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: So so many parents waking up to that news right now. 319 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: We will continue to update you in the meantime. You 320 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: can switch your cell phone service to Puretalk get a 321 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: nationwide five G service instead of AT and T, T 322 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: Mobile or Verizon. Because pure Talk utilizes same tower, same 323 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: networks as one of those companies' differences, they charge much 324 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: less for a similar service. 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Appreciate you 335 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: all being with us. Look, we have had the horrible 336 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: news this morning that we look, this is a news 337 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: show first and Forema, we got to tell you what's 338 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: going on in the country and bring you to truth, 339 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: bring you to facts, all the latest information. 340 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: We will continue to do that. 341 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: On this shooting at the Annunciation Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, 342 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: and we know that two children have been killed. It's 343 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 2: absolutely heartbreaking. There's nothing I don't know, nothing more horrific. 344 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: I don't really have the words. We make a living 345 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: with words, and I don't really have the words for 346 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: how terrible it is for these two young children to 347 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: be killed while they're in a church on their first 348 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: day of school. There are other children who are in 349 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: the hospital. A handful of them are critical, which indicates 350 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: to me very likely they were actually hit by rifle 351 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: rounds from this shooter. The identity of the shooter has 352 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: been shared, is being shared now broadly online. I don't 353 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: right now, Clay, I think, well, right now, it's just 354 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: the only thing that I would be comfortable sharing based 355 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: on what we are seeing is it appears to be 356 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: a white male that that I can say to you, 357 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: and we will give you more as we have more 358 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: and our own. Carol Markowitz, I think, is one of 359 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: the first to break the name and background and photo 360 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: of the I guess we still say alleged even when 361 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: the person's dead. So the alleged shooter, but the person 362 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: that killed himself in the back of this church after 363 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: the mass murder. So, Clay, Now I think we're going 364 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: to get closer to a conversation about what was what 365 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: could have been done to prevent this. I honestly believe 366 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: I'm somebody who is very attuned to let's focus on 367 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: what really could help. There's very little with somebody clearly 368 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: as evil and mentally ill as this individual was. There's 369 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: very little in this scenario that I could see that 370 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: would make it markedly different. Maybe quicker response time from 371 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: someone inside the church, But now you're getting into you're 372 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: getting into seconds because they say that he fired fifty 373 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 2: to one hundred rounds with a semi automatic rifle. I mean, 374 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: it's a couple of magazines, and that's not. 375 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: Hard to do if you're just shooting as many rounds 376 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: as you can. 377 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: One of the things that will be interesting to see 378 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: is was this person on any sort of watch list, 379 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: did they legally get access to their weapons? What did 380 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: the family know or not know about the mental illness 381 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: which is often the case involved in this shooter, all 382 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: of those things. Let's play buck for those of you 383 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: out there that are seeking updates on the kids. This 384 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: is from the emergency room doctor that I just read 385 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 3: a couple of quotes from. But this has cut thirty 386 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: updating you on those wounded in including several critical kids 387 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 3: fighting critical condition, kids fighting for their lives. 388 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: Let's listen to this. 389 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 6: We are a lovel one trauma center and we prepare, 390 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 6: we trained for this. Having said that that, these incidents 391 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: are never easy, We've had two in the last twenty 392 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 6: four hours that have occurred casually incidents. The one today 393 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 6: we received a total of eleven patients from this incident. 394 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 6: Two of them were adult patients, nine pediatric patients. Four 395 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 6: of them require the operating room, and up to this 396 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 6: point in time, there have been no fatalities related to 397 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 6: any of those patients that were brought to our organization. 398 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: I mean, that's under the circumstances, very encouraging news that 399 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: there hasn't been a fatality yet because it means that 400 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: they've certainly stopped the bleeding clay in these cases, so 401 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: no one's bleeding out now they're in the hospital stable. 402 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: The question becomes internal organ damage. You know, that's and 403 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: we don't know the extent of that for these young people. 404 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: Positive there what he just said, four required surgery, which 405 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: would suggest Buck, you were talking about this earlier, that 406 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: maybe some of these other injuries are not necessarily gunshots. 407 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: Maybe there's glass, maybe there were cuts, maybe there are 408 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: things that did not require There could have been a 409 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: stampede inside the church where remember some of these are 410 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: small children, so very very easy for one of them 411 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: to get caught under people who are just desperate to 412 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: get away from the gunfire, and maybe you know, dislocate 413 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: a shoulder or have other injuries like which again painful, scary, terrifying. 414 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: But anything that's not a gunshot wound here is going 415 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: to be clearly survivable. And it seems that based on 416 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: what the the emergency room doctor here is talking about 417 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: her in this case, I guess the oar surgeon's talking 418 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: about Clay. If only four needed surgery, I think we're 419 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: only dealing with four gunshot wounds, and God willing and hey, 420 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 3: prayers up everybody, all four will make it through and 421 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 3: they'll be okay. The conversation, not surprisingly, has already spread 422 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: on CNN literally instantly to gun control. And I do 423 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: want to play this because do you think it's important 424 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: for you guys to understand what would you be. 425 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: Hearing if you're not listening to this program. 426 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 3: Here is CNN's Evan Perez saying a semi auto rifle 427 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: can shoot dozens of bullets with just one trigger. Pull 428 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: a lot of you out there. I mean, this is 429 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: very basic stuff. If you're going to go on and 430 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: immediately turn this into a gun debate, maybe get a 431 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: little bit of your gun knowledge, just correct. But this 432 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: is what you would have heard on CNN literally within 433 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: minutes of this story breaking cut thirty one. 434 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 7: It was really disturbing to hear what the man we 435 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 7: heard from from the affiliate said about how long it 436 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 7: went on. He said, there were several minutes. Now we 437 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 7: don't know if that was just from the shooter, or 438 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 7: if law enforcement had arrived by then, or the circumstances 439 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 7: around that, but he said it sounded like the gun 440 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 7: was reloaded several times. It seemed like a rifle, he said, 441 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 7: a semi automatic rifle. And it went on for several minutes. 442 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 8: Right, And that's an uncommon as well. These things can 443 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 8: shoot dozens of bullets, you know, in just one trigger pull, right, 444 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 8: And so what happens in this case is sometimes they 445 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 8: have enough time to reload. 446 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: He has no idea what he's talking about. He's a 447 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: justice reporter over at CNN, by the way, so you'd 448 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: think he might know something about this. I remember that 449 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: guy from when I was at CNA. He just has 450 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: no He has no familiarity with firearms whatsoever. I mean, Clay, 451 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: this is another thing when when these stories were when 452 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: any story of firearm involved in violence comes up, it's 453 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: a reminder that people on the right actually know firearms 454 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: and understand them. You know, I would put myself in 455 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: maybe the top five percentile of all Americans when it 456 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: comes to understanding of guns. Maybe they to one percentile. 457 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 2: And we have people listening to us who are former 458 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: Special operations military who are in the point zero zero 459 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: one percent of Americans when it comes to their understanding, expertise, 460 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: and familiarity with firearms. So going well beyond mine. People 461 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: at CNN just don't know a darn thing about any 462 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: of this stuff. And when I say people, I don't 463 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: mean a couple of them, I mean all of them. 464 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: They are. 465 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: This is a strange thing, but it is consistent where 466 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: Democrats have very very strong opinions on firearms and are 467 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: never embarrassed to know nothing about firearms. I mean to 468 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: have an absolutely This is where we get the whole 469 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: chainsaw bayonet thing with USA today, and this is where 470 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: they'll talk about like automatic machine bazookahs and they have 471 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: no idea what they are talking about and feel like 472 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: they should still be able to weigh in on this 473 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: and tell actual firearms Second Amendment individuals that they can't 474 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: have guns or they need to change this, or they're 475 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: bad or basically they're bad people. That's what they really 476 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: want to tell them. We don't know if the gun 477 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: was illegal purchase or not. We don't know if it 478 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: was stolen. We don't know any of that. So any 479 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: discussion of gun policy or firearms policy right now is 480 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: just a complete you know, it's just just throwing something 481 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: at the wall and it has no bearing on actual 482 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: law or statute. So yeah, but they'll try clay this 483 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: will turn into a gun violence debate. I mean, I 484 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: think most likely it'll be a mental health discussion based 485 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: on this who this individual vidual Is did, and there 486 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: will probably be flags that were missed. This is, unfortunately, 487 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: I think, where there will be somebody said, hey, you 488 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: know I wanted to I turn I told somebody about 489 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: this guy. I thought he was really dangerous, and then 490 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: law enforcement maybe did a knock at his door and 491 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: they couldn't do it. My analysis of this is that's 492 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: likely where this is heading. And or mom and dad, 493 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: and this is where I always come back to it. 494 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 2: A lot of moms and dads of these shooters know 495 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: they should not have access to weapons, and they end 496 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: up having access to weapons and Buck. We'll dive into 497 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: this a little bit more as we're going to commercial 498 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: break here, but I just texted you some early reports 499 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 2: on the shooter, and I think this is what happened. 500 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: It's beginning to look early days, early moments, very similar 501 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: to what happened in the Covenant School shooting in Nashville. 502 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: Who the shooter was, what the motivation might have been. Again, 503 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: if this is confirmed, this store is about to become 504 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: incredibly It's already horrific and bloody and evil, but it's 505 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: going to become politically very contentious with the way the 506 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: media is going to report on it, with the way 507 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 2: that people are going to position the uh, you know, 508 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: the aftermath of what can be done about it. But 509 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: we we got to be solid on this stuff, Clay. 510 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: So we're going to continue to chase down these facts 511 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: as we go, uh and and bring you the updates 512 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: in real time. And we're like, Carol Markwitz broke the 513 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: name of the individual online. 514 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: I didn't. 515 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: I think she broke it first. I didn't see anybody 516 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: else beating her to it will have her joining us 517 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: in a little bit. But if what we're seeing is 518 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: the case, this just well, we'll come back. Please stay 519 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: with us, We'll come back. We're going to chase this 520 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: stuff down and and bring you the latest facts and 521 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: analysis of this, uh, this horrific tragedy in a few moments. 522 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: All right, Look, I need to take a moment here 523 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: talk to you about uh, you know, taking a taking 524 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: a moment to talk about your finances, because to take 525 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: the long view and you want to prepare, you want 526 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: to do smart things. 527 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Now. 528 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: Trump is doing a lot of amazing stuff for the economy, 529 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: no question about it. 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Try to avoid saying the shooter's name, uh, 558 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: because that's what these guys want and sometimes gals, but 559 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: they're This guy had a YouTube channel that has since 560 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: been taken down, but there are many pictures being taken 561 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: and shared online, including of the gun itself on and 562 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: it appears that this is another trans shooter, not dissimilar 563 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: to what happened at the Covenant School in the Nashville area. 564 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: Written on the gun barrel is kill Donald Trump, rip 565 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: and tear written on the gun magazine. This is pretty awful. 566 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: I'm just sharing with you. Where is your God? Why 567 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: so querious? Pretty awful? Carol Markowitz joins us. Now, Carol, 568 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: we're trying to avoid sharing this guy's name. 569 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: I know you shared it. 570 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: Of the pictures and everything else, it appears, based on 571 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: all the evidence out there, that this is a Christian 572 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: targeted shooting by someone who clearly is mentally unstable. Based 573 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 3: on the videos and the pictures out there, what can 574 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: you tell us about this individual so far that you've 575 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 3: been able to uncover from your sources. 576 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 9: You know, it's all developing. And of course it took 577 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 9: a little while for them to clear the building because 578 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 9: it was several buildings. They were worried about things being 579 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 9: booby trapped. And so I can tell you that the 580 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 9: original name that I had heard was actually his father's name, 581 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 9: because he had had his father's car. I don't know 582 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 9: if there's a manifesto yet. I see the same rumors 583 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 9: that you guys do, but I haven't had that confirmed yet. 584 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 9: It's a horrible story, and it really crushes me to 585 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 9: imagine that somebody had such hate in their hearts. For 586 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 9: these you know, Catholic children and school officials, that they 587 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 9: would do something like this, and it's a horrible tragedy. 588 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 9: I pray for all the people involved. And there's just 589 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 9: no words. 590 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: Carol, how much have you seen that is solid on 591 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: the reporting? Again, this goes to motive and motivation for 592 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: this also, First of all, is it your belief right now? 593 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: Would would you? 594 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: I know, we don't know, but the shooting yesterday and 595 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: the shooting today, they're they're the same shooter most likely, right. 596 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: Why aren't law enforcement making this connection? 597 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't heard about whether that there 598 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 9: is a connection. It seems to me related, but I 599 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 9: don't know for sure. 600 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: I know that also, you know, I mean, it's just 601 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: to be clear for everybody. It's two mass shootings at 602 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: two Catholic institutions with a with a semi automatic rifle, 603 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: I mean, in the same area. 604 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, And the fact that this connection hasn't been made, 605 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 9: I don't know what to make of that. I'm going 606 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 9: to definitely keep you posted if I hear it of anything. 607 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 9: And you know, these pictures of whether this person was 608 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 9: Trands or not, there's also a question mark there definitely 609 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 9: seems seems to be just based on the photos I've seen, 610 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 9: but I also don't have a confirmation of that. I 611 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 9: think as things develop, as a fact develop of this case, 612 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 9: we'll learn more. Right now, we just have the pictures 613 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 9: of the weapons and the pictures of this individual, and 614 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 9: really things are still very much developing. 615 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 3: There are pictures out there of this guy at a 616 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: gun range firing at an image of Jesus. He had 617 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 3: a YouTube page that has since been removed that has 618 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: a manifesto of sorts posted clearly this guy is deranged. Carol, 619 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 3: You've been on the front of getting a lot of 620 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: these stories out there in terms of figuring out motivation, shooters, 621 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 3: all these different things. What comes next in your experience 622 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 3: of an investigation like this. I presume they had to 623 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: wherever his residence is, worry about booby traps, things like that, 624 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: to try to figure out what else might be out there. 625 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 3: Is that typically the next step. 626 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, I think that they're likely searching his home 627 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 9: right now and trying to find evidence of motive. And like, 628 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 9: as you guys said, it's clear that this person was 629 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 9: mentally not well. And it's crazy also because a lot 630 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 9: of this is very public, right there's these you know, 631 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 9: the video and the picture of him shooting at the 632 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 9: Jesus Christ picture. All that kind of stuff is out there, 633 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 9: and it's interesting because what are the next steps that 634 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 9: we need to take at a society And when we 635 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 9: come across stuff like this, what should be the next 636 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 9: step when law enforcement gets a tip about somebody being unstable? 637 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 9: I think that that's something that Trump administration can look 638 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 9: at and say, you know, we keep having these tells 639 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 9: of these shooters in advance, what should we do? How 640 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 9: should we handle? 641 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 3: That? 642 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 9: Could be a really interesting path for the Trump administration 643 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 9: to take. 644 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 8: Er. 645 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with us. 646 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: Incredible reporting that you do in these incidents and to 647 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: get the information the facts out there as quickly as possible. 648 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: And I mean to me, the longer they delay on 649 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: the whether these two incidents are it just seems to 650 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: me like law enforcement doesn't I mean, some assspecs of this. 651 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: They just don't want to get out there quickly. But Carol, 652 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You guys know, Carol 653 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: has a podcast with us. Thanks Carol. Carol has a 654 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: podcast with us. Carol mark Wood Show. She was fantastic work. 655 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 2: Go subscribe to the Playbuck podcast to hear Carol weekly 656 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: and one of the best. Honestly, Clay one of the 657 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 2: best breaking news reporters on mass shootings in the country. 658 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: And that's not even something that I think she's you know, 659 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 2: she's known for her but that's not her day to 660 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: day job. But she just has incredible law enforcement sources. 661 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: She's a huge asset to this program. Claire, let's come 662 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: back in and talk more about this. I mean, this 663 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 2: is I think we're going to find that these shootings 664 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: are connected, and I think that the trans connection to 665 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: this is going to get bigger and bigger 666 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 3: Which means that a lot of people are not gonna 667 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 3: want you to hear any of the details that we're 668 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 3: talking about right now.