WEBVTT - Billy F. Gibbons

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Sex Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest today is Block Billy F. Gibbon Billy, Mr Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>So good to be here with you. Man. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the rock and roll thing. I in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I just read uh one of the latest left Sets newsletters,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm up to speed on just about nothing I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to give me about a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand more. Okay, let me ask you a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of questions right up front. Yeah, back in the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>it was Billy Gibbons. Now it's Billy F. Gibbons. What changed? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I ran into some friends up in Vancouver, BC that

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<v Speaker 1>we're heavy into numerology, and they convinced me to become

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<v Speaker 1>a bit superstitious, uh uh, saying that the the the

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<v Speaker 1>birth name was out of balance, and so they provided

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<v Speaker 1>me fifty selections of first names and fifty selections of

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<v Speaker 1>possible last names, all of which sucked. So but they said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you use your initial from your your

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<v Speaker 1>birth given middle name, it all balances up. Billy F. Given.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you and I talked about this at the

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<v Speaker 1>palm one night, and I was it was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>shy because since then, everybody they have they have graced

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<v Speaker 1>me with another word that starts with F, which I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go with. Okay, okay, So do you believe in numerology

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<v Speaker 1>of those things? I'm not saying no. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a superstitious guy, don't think. But who's to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Okay, in okay, let's just take a little further.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you into astrology? Not necessarily no, although although having

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<v Speaker 1>been born in December, you know the Sagittarius things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sage brothers. That's a strong that's a strong thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been vaccinated? You know, I'm waiting, I'm in line.

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<v Speaker 1>My physicians sitting on the fence. So I had the

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<v Speaker 1>antibody's test, right, and they were so up that they

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged me to donate some blood to the local clinic,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did. They said, hey, we need those antibodies,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, well, okay, does that mean that I

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<v Speaker 1>had it? Uh and didn't know it. That's another possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not nobody's you know, everybody's sitting on the

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<v Speaker 1>fence kind of faith here and there. But the good news,

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<v Speaker 1>the curtains seems to be rising. I feel things thawing out.

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<v Speaker 1>I was out and about uh in town and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're making announcements. Now I gotta go back to work.

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<v Speaker 1>So what it was? What was it like being out

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<v Speaker 1>of work for all that time? Oh? It was boring.

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<v Speaker 1>It was absolutely boring. In fact, the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>cut the ice. I got a phone call unexpectedly from

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<v Speaker 1>our man with the big bad back beach are fearless

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<v Speaker 1>drummer from points beyond Uh. And I'm not speaking about

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<v Speaker 1>Frank the man with no beard beard or Dusty Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the trio on that side. The other trio

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<v Speaker 1>started off with Matt sarm and Austin Hanks Mr left

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<v Speaker 1>hand Austin Hanks playing the They called me up and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, are you tired of just sitting around doing nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, what you got in mine? And they said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come scoop you up. We're out in Palm Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>You over in Las Vegas. We have we found a

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<v Speaker 1>recording studio near Joshua Tree. And at that moment I

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<v Speaker 1>mistakenly said, yeah, the Rancho de la Luna, I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with it, and they said, no, no, you you were

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<v Speaker 1>over there working with the Queens of the stone Age.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a this is across the street. But what

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<v Speaker 1>Matt didn't tell me was it was across the street

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty miles so we were out in the out

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the desert. But the good news

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<v Speaker 1>is that it indeed, uh, you know, when you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the only way out of doing nothing is to start

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<v Speaker 1>doing something, and this was an opportunity to get it

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<v Speaker 1>going on. So we have Okay, let's let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>a chapter. Did you write out the pandemic in Vegas? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I had gone to London at the end of February

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<v Speaker 1>to to make an appearance on the invitation of Mick Fleetwood,

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<v Speaker 1>who had organized that glorious celebration tribute to the early

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<v Speaker 1>days of Fleetwood mic when they were a four piece

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<v Speaker 1>of blues band, which a lot of folks think Fleetwood

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<v Speaker 1>Mike is a pop band. They started off with that

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<v Speaker 1>brief fore man lineup, Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, John McVie,

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<v Speaker 1>m mc fleetwood on on drums and Miss Gilligan, my

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<v Speaker 1>lovely sweetheart, was with me. And at the conclusion of

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<v Speaker 1>that glorious occasion, which I do believe might have been

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<v Speaker 1>the last large public gathering for a music event in London.

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<v Speaker 1>It was London Palladium. Place was packed. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>went on to take a holiday in Spain and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, uh, it was so early in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>The word of this virus was yet to be spoken,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were carrying on and just having a big

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<v Speaker 1>old time. However, uh zz Top Tour had been booked

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<v Speaker 1>to begin up Peeling the Onion with a startup in

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, so off we go. We got a NonStop

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<v Speaker 1>flight out of Madrid, which turned out to be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the last flight out of Europe as the curtain was dropping.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, had we not gotten out, I've been speaking

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish to you today. But land in Las Vegas and

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<v Speaker 1>hopped in the taxicab and the driver turned around. He said, uh, hey, Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>uh dog on it. I had tickets for your show.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, don't worry it. This is Wednesday, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start on Friday. We got a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, where have you been? It's postponed. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that this was a serious drop of

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<v Speaker 1>the curtain. And I got on the phone and I

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<v Speaker 1>called up the management office. I said, hey, I said

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<v Speaker 1>I was informed that, uh, we're sitting on the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we gonna play? And they said no, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's here. You have a house in Vegas. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>house in Vegas. Yeah. Gilligan wanted a ranch, and a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine said, hey, man, I got I got

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<v Speaker 1>your ranch, which I thought he was joking, and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact I was over there to play a walk on

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<v Speaker 1>with Matt's arms outfit Kings of Chaos, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>off the stage and I walked into I said I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted the dressing room and said, hey, Gilligan, where you been?

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, oh, I was talking to your buddy Markling,

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<v Speaker 1>and he grabbed me by the shoulders and he's a man,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've been talking about that ranch. I got

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<v Speaker 1>your ranch, And it had been this ongoing joke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get a ranch. So we caught the

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<v Speaker 1>late night red Eye back to Los Angeles, and three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning the phone rang and man, you

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<v Speaker 1>left town. Where where I got your ranch? And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you are joking, of course, he said no, look at

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<v Speaker 1>your computer, and sure enough there was a there was

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<v Speaker 1>a little ranch property on the screen. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we got on the early morning flew back to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>I got off the plan. I said, man, why why

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<v Speaker 1>the long face? He goes, I tried to catch you.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody bought the property you that you were looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, well, we're here. Let's let's go see

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<v Speaker 1>what we didn't get. As you know, like I needed

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<v Speaker 1>another house. How many houses? How many houses do you have? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Once too many and a hundred ain't enough. I live

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<v Speaker 1>on a tour bus. It just keeps changing talents. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you start looking for property in Vegas. Yeah, we're standing

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of Rancho And I turned around and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, just for questions, I said, what would

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<v Speaker 1>a place like that go for? And the real estate

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<v Speaker 1>girls went into a mild panic and and said, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, she got pregnant with baby number six. They've

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<v Speaker 1>already bought another property. This one's coming on the market

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, and it seemed to be reasonably priced.

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<v Speaker 1>Gilligan jumped up, said, hey, it's got a stable in

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<v Speaker 1>the back. It's our ranch, so low and behold we

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<v Speaker 1>signed on the dotted line. It turns out to be Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was next door to a house previously owned by

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Martin. This house had was Bridget Bardoe's wedding house

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen fifty seven. That's a little history there. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a ranch. What makes it a ranch as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to just a piece of property, I'd call it a

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<v Speaker 1>ranch at a ranch at this was in a an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting development. It was. They broke ground in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and I think it's considered the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first commercially developed residential areas. And each each footprint was

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<v Speaker 1>two acres. And of course, back in those days, Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas was a cowboy town. Everybody had horses and they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure that there was enough room. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there's still a couple of couple of stables in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the little circle there, so I think ranchet. So

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<v Speaker 1>since Gilligan was excited about the stables, does she ride?

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<v Speaker 1>She rides my butt. She rides me all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get away from that. But the being okay,

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<v Speaker 1>does she ride horses? Uh? You know, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>question I have. I've yet to see her saddle up.

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<v Speaker 1>I've yet to see her. Okay, So you've been married,

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<v Speaker 1>You've been with Dilligan about fifteen years or so at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. I actually been married together longer that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she go with you when you go on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>Does she stay home? No, she's she's on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>on the road. Count In fact, I've learned to learn,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, uh, girls all in the world. As guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we just take care of the stuff on it. But

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<v Speaker 1>early on, I guess it started actually as a during

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of Europe. We would end the show on

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<v Speaker 1>a Friday night dry overnight Saturday morning. Uh, she'd rattle

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<v Speaker 1>my cage and we'd get up to go with the

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<v Speaker 1>runner and the catering girl to go see the local

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store. So we'd be traversing the aisles, looking at

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<v Speaker 1>foreign languages and saying different colors in different shapes. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a real eye opening experience. So I credit Gilligan's

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<v Speaker 1>willingness to be on the road to be quite quite educational.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're seeing more than a hotel room. Definitely, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And although the hotel rooms are on the horizon, it

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<v Speaker 1>does it does appear that we're gonna be out and

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<v Speaker 1>about time to rock and roll. Right, And do you

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<v Speaker 1>always go by bus or do you sometimes locate one

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<v Speaker 1>city go by jet to the varying gigs, yes on occasion. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a time back in the eighties when uh,

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<v Speaker 1>commercial flights, we're fine, But the ownership of your own

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft was actually a plausible outing, given the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties, you know, there was money flying

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<v Speaker 1>around left and right. Uh, we were putting forty or

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<v Speaker 1>fifty hours a week on this aircraft, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>quite affordable. And then we got lazy, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to turn busses into rolling houses, microwave refrigerator, flat

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<v Speaker 1>screen TVs internet. Uh, you don't even have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the road. You leave it to the to the driver. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say a traditional gig ins at eleven PM.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your routine after eleven Well, we've we uh we

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<v Speaker 1>hang out. Uh. We we let the doors close, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll mingle with a few fans maybe here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and depending out on the weather, we'll we'll go outside

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<v Speaker 1>and and if we're really lucky, some of the the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood establishments may still be open. We might tiptoe around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner, but by and large it's straight ahead back

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<v Speaker 1>on the wide road and go into the next gig.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm asking if the gigins at eleven, at

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<v Speaker 1>what time do you try to fall asleep because it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a while to come down from a gig. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you said it. I don't know if we're I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we hit dreamland until six am. It's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so it's so exciting to get up

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<v Speaker 1>on the deck and you know, jumping around and shouting

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<v Speaker 1>it out. It does definitely get the pulse beating. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're absolutely right, it takes a while. That takes a

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<v Speaker 1>while to come down. Okay, So when you go out

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<v Speaker 1>with Gilligan, are you on the bus just the two

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<v Speaker 1>of you or there are other people on the bus

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<v Speaker 1>with you? No, it's just uh, we share a separate coach.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, uh celebrate by the way, a zz Top

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<v Speaker 1>celebrates five decades together uninterrupted, by and large. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>been asked many times how in the world have three

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<v Speaker 1>nearly unlike minded guys outside of two hours on the deck,

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<v Speaker 1>how have you managed to keep it together? And the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is simple to words separate buses. Okay, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Vegas for a minute. So you've been there

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<v Speaker 1>in excess of a year. How have you entertained yourself

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<v Speaker 1>other than this album you made The Ranch. The Ranch

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<v Speaker 1>yet is a mere two blocks from there. There's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this Hawaiian Polynesian tiki bar that somehow didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the message. The doors had to close that they say,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't get the word. They stayed open, which was

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<v Speaker 1>rather unusual. Uh, most of of I mean from if

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<v Speaker 1>you tell, if you started in Texas and if you relegated,

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<v Speaker 1>just a corridor through the southwest, through the desert southwest,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the west coast. Everything was shut,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the rest of the planet. And here's this

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<v Speaker 1>little Polynesian place. Uh, for whatever reason, they didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the message. But around the corner from that was a

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<v Speaker 1>little casino and they too, they said, well, the the

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<v Speaker 1>tiki bars open, we might as well stay open. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a few dice games that caught our attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Left and right. Are you a gambler, Well, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>the For those that are listening, Uh, if you'll allow

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<v Speaker 1>me to describe what I just pulled out of my pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got, I've got the I've got the rolling bones

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<v Speaker 1>and uh they're official, their three quarter fully squared up.

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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately that's the only thing I was able to

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<v Speaker 1>take take away from the last dice game. They said, here,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll need this on the street corner, go take this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you know Matt sor him? I've known

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<v Speaker 1>Matt for quite some time. Uh we met early on.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a big fan of you know, Matt has

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<v Speaker 1>has served as the cornerstone backbeat guy the Cults, Guns

0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and Roses and of course Velvet Revolver and being a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of every outfit he seemed to be part of,

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<v Speaker 1>had my attention. And it was actually Gilligan was talking

0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 1>with Matt and he had just left another interesting aggregation.

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<v Speaker 1>This was kind of a uh goodly jam band made

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<v Speaker 1>up of a bunch of different guys whoever came off

0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the road had the opportunity to join the outfit called

0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Camp Freddie and then uh, that's fond the the establishment

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<v Speaker 1>of Kings of Chaos, Matt's next gangly bunch of guys.

0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And said, well, y'all to asked Billy to Billy to

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<v Speaker 1>come up and do a couple and that really that

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<v Speaker 1>really cemented this kind of arms length friendship. By taking

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<v Speaker 1>the deck and letting Matt provide that glorious backbeat, I

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<v Speaker 1>really fell for it. Uh, he's a powerhouse hitter man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you go way out into the desert. The studio

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<v Speaker 1>is there? Where do you sleep? Aha? This? Uh? As

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned the Rancho day La Luna, david Catching's joint,

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<v Speaker 1>uh freak it in by so many really talented artists.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the way was a gentleman from England that had

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<v Speaker 1>invested in a large footprint property and I guess when

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<v Speaker 1>it became known that he was actually creating a recording

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<v Speaker 1>studio as part of this purchase, his next door neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>got very nervous and immediately put her for sale sign

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<v Speaker 1>next to it, and he he bolted, He got the

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<v Speaker 1>heck out of there. And so one house became two,

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<v Speaker 1>and the former neighbor's domicile became the campgrounds. The garage

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<v Speaker 1>became the performance room, and I guess it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been the uh the lawnmower room became the control house.

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's really turned into be quite a stately affair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh globally competitive, as we should say, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you know Austin? Austin Uh came from Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at Austin down on third Uh right in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles at a famous place UM that's known for uh

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty page menu, one page is food and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>pages of of tequila. And Austin was he was holding

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<v Speaker 1>court behind the bar. He Uh. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he was ever an actual bartender. They just hired him

0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to watch over the place. He's, uh, he's a rather

0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.520
<v Speaker 1>strident fellow and uh he's not ready to take any

0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.720
<v Speaker 1>guff from anybody. But what a great fellow. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it became known that he played guitar and he said, yeah, man,

0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he said, I'm holding court down at a place off

0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:04.320
<v Speaker 1>of Kwanga and Selma. Huh. Unfortunately it's long gone um

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.480
<v Speaker 1>over the past couple of years. But he had a

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Sunday afternoon show with a great gang of guys, and

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>I was just amazed. Not only is he a great singer,

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 1>comes from Alabama, Austin, but been on the West coast

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years, and uh, hearing him sing was one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but watching him play. He plays right handed guitar upside

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.359
<v Speaker 1>down and backwards like he does the Albert King Jimmy

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Hendricks routine. I can't look at it. It makes me

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.919
<v Speaker 1>go crazy inside out and backwards. I call him. But

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<v Speaker 1>the three of us, Austin Hanks, Matt Storm and yours

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:50.560
<v Speaker 1>truly decided to make Noise a few years back. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh that actually had its origins when we were taking

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<v Speaker 1>a stab leaving the Cuban record. The first bf G

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<v Speaker 1>solo record was following an invitation to play the Havannah

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Jazz Festival way back, when, of course I left me

0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 1>scratch in my head. I said, I'm not sure I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to Cuba with a I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bust up a jazz festival with a rock and

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<v Speaker 1>roll party. So we dug deep and uh we we

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<v Speaker 1>let the Cuban influences creep into the studio and and

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.719
<v Speaker 1>that resulted in the release of the album entitled perfect

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 1>A Mundo, which did pave the way we actually went

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to Havana. I was able to put together an outfit,

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 1>had the two girls on drums, Gigi Martin was on

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<v Speaker 1>piano along with Mike Flanagan on B three. Alex g

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>was holding a turntable and a set of congas in

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<v Speaker 1>the back. Really a great outfit. And from there, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's stay there for a second show. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to go a couple of years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen. But my main reason I want to go

0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to Cuba is for the cars. Now I've heard actually

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.680
<v Speaker 1>did inside their hun days. They aren't really the original.

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<v Speaker 1>So what were you were there? You're such a car guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh uh. We not as soon as we landed. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's very interesting the Havana airport, the Havanna so called

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 1>International Airport. It's very small, not much to it, and

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the operatives inside are all female and they've got fish

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 1>net hose. They look like strippers. Uh. It's really crazy.

0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:46.399
<v Speaker 1>But we made quick, uh quick ways back to we

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<v Speaker 1>had We had taken out space at a nice villa

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and on the way everybody was bug eyed because there

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<v Speaker 1>was not a car on the road after nineteen I

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<v Speaker 1>would say the the most contemporary vehicle we had seen

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<v Speaker 1>was I think we said nineteen sixty. Uh, and they said, well,

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, that's about when it when the gates closed,

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.159
<v Speaker 1>it was about that was about the last vehicle to

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<v Speaker 1>be brought in. But we did see, oh this was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw a nineteen fifty four Cadillac convertible and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>g was pull over, it's on the sidewalk and there

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 1>was a crowd gathered around. They were not tourists waiting

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to take a ride. They were guys looking under the hood,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what to do to get the

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<v Speaker 1>car back running. And as we peeked under the hood,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a late model. When you said Hyundai, I

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.639
<v Speaker 1>think it might have been a Hunded diesel engine of

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 1>powering this fifty four Cadillac convertible. But you know, they

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 1>pick up a tin can, they'll twist it up and

0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 1>it'll be the it will become an ignition key or

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 1>apart to the transmission. They're that they're that inventive. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you you finished the Cuban project and continue the

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 1>narrative up to the new album Hardware. Yes, Uh, we

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>were We were fortunate. We played two nights in Havana,

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<v Speaker 1>one at the h the brick factory turned art museum

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and they had a beautiful venue in there. Uh. And

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 1>then we we we closed out the trip with an

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 1>appearance at the Big Theater. Uh. Just a glorious and everybody,

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 1>do you know that they've learned how to play music

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:45.440
<v Speaker 1>as part of their lifeblood. They clap on the two

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>and four. It's not a one in three crowd this

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 1>is they got the backbeat down. But I remember going

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>to the airport. Uh. Upon arrival, of course, you have

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>to check every single thing and you're bringing in and

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 1>on departure you have to check off everything to make

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>sure you're taking it back out. Well, Mike Flanagan are

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>fearless keyboardist. Uh. He was looking at a ticket and

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>he said, gee was he said, my departure date seems

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to be marked differently than everybody else. Sure enough, we

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>were leaving on a Sunday. His ticket predicated that he

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 1>leave on a Monday, which was gonna be a large problem.

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 1>But fortunately Gigi Martin and Marcel Fernandez, who both speak

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.640
<v Speaker 1>fluent Spanish, they came to the rescue. They assigned me

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to go, uh look at the the equipment being loaded

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>onto the ferry back onto the airplane. Well, little did

0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I know the the dossier had already been sent and

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>was already boarded up on the plane. Next thing, I'm

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>being escorted into a side room where a girl is

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>looking at me filling out a form, and uh, I

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>happened to glance down. In my limited Spanish, I could

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>see I was in trouble. It's Aid Act, the title

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>of the paper that she was filling out. It was

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 1>titled Act of an Adversary, and so I had to

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 1>dredge up some Spanglish as quickly as possible. We finally

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>ironed it out and made way. Uh we flew, we flew,

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>let's see Havana back to Miami and then uh we

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>all went back to the West coast and and just

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a great recollections. I gotta say it was quite an

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>eye opener. We had a blast. It was, it was

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>all good, all good. Well that begs a question. No,

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you have this beard which makes you instantly recognizable around

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the world. Is that a good thing or a bad

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 1>thing for you personally? Well, it's uh, it's definitely uh

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>a point of identification. And as I've mentioned, uh uh

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>we do have one. We we do get a kitchen

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>pass one night a year. It's Halloween. Just I could

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>go out on Halloween. Dude, you look like that's easy,

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>top guy, You're gonna win the contest man. So yeah,

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 1>we get we get one one night a year. Um.

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I it was quite popular down in uh in Cuba. Uh.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>They were, they were they were actually setting was speaking

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>about competition. They were setting up a a A a

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:53.399
<v Speaker 1>vote a right in or call in vote, you know,

0:27:53.440 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>like Fidel or Guillermo. That's been kind of crazy, but

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>it'd go a yeah, the Bears. You're in an airport

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>in Barcelona, Okay, in your mind, you had a long night.

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>You're there, people gonna come up and talk to you. Yeah. Yeah,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten so used to it. There was a brief period, uh, well,

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a long running series where I was asked to join

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the cast and crew for the TV show called Bones.

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>And it was a delightful excursion running a dozen years,

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>if you can believe it. And I remember taking the

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the Ave, which is the high speed rail between Madrid

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>down south to the delightful city of Valencia, and uh,

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>we were sitting on this nice train and and uh,

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>each car had a flat screen TV, so you could

0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>kill these forty five minutes by watching this. And uh,

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>there was a disturbing glare coming over my right shoulder,

0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and and finally I looked over and the guy was

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>looking at the screen, and then he would look at

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>me and look back at the screen. Finally he pointed

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to me, and he he pointed up to the screen

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and they were they're actually broadcasting a series of Bones

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and there I was, so he said, he said, Senor,

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>yes you're famous. I like your beard. So yeah, the

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 1>beard goes, the beard goes where we go? Man? Okay,

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>so you show up out there, knew Joshua twee. How

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>do you start making the record? Well, we didn't plan

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>on starting the record per se. It was Uh. It

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was set as just a nice way to take a

0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>ride and met's a rag top car. I thought, g was,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 1>what's it gonna take to inspect a studio? It's four

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>walls with no windows, will be in and out in

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes. However, those thirty minutes magically turned into thirty days,

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>which turned into month and month and month. Uh. However, Uh,

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>not planning to start anything, there was no equipment truck

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>following u Sin. So the good news is Matt very

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>quickly discovered a set of drums over in a dusty corner.

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Austin found a couple of old Fender guitars in the

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>opposite corner, and the engineer was waving his hands and

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>gee fellas he said, Uh, I don't know if that

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff is playable. Uh, he said, you can give it

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a shot. So Matt went about tuning up the drums,

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Austin and I were we We were forced to plug

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>into a Fender reverb tank which went into an old

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Fender amp. But sure enough the light came on. We

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>lit the fuse and the engineer was was beside himself.

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>He said, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna get the tape

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>rolling right now. And you can actually hear the first

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>track from that first unexpected entry into the studio, the

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>song which became the title West Coast Junkie. What makes uh,

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.959
<v Speaker 1>what makes it entertaining, is here we are playing on

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 1>old Fender guitars with Matt's backbeat, and the sound is

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing short of sixties surf music, and we're miles and

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>miles from the nearest drop of water. It was. It

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>was kind of that incongruous coupling, you know, surf music

0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>meets sand and cactus, which was crazy. So at what

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>point did you say, hey, we want to make an album? Well,

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, we never left that that kind of

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>did it. And I credit the engineer, both engineers. Uh,

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>my sidekick, Mike Fiorentino. He likes to go by his

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>the loose Italian translation of his last name, Fiorentino, Tiny

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Flowers and Matt's engineer, Chad Slawser. Those two guys were

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>so enamored with the fact that we were actually making

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>usable sounds they locked the door and refused to let

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>us leave. So here we are. We got the key

0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>to the the what was the I called it the

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>neighbor's house. It had been turned into the bunk I

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>guess you'd call it the bunk house today. But there

0:32:56.040 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>we stayed. And the good news is we were so

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we were having such a good time, the good time

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>and this this message goes out to all of the

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>left sets followers that are engaging and this uh, rather

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>crazy avenue called the entertainment game. Just remember, the good

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>times you have in the studio will find their way

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.239
<v Speaker 1>into the grooves. So that's that's the lesson I can

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>leave you with. That's what was happening as we as

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>we stepped inside that place. It was fast and furious, loud,

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was it was okay okay. In terms of

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.479
<v Speaker 1>writing the songs, were they just jams like the stones

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that turned into songs? How did you end up with songs?

0:33:52.920 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Very much stones approach? Uh, we had no pre preparation. Well,

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I take that back, we had blank paper in one

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>pocket and a pencil in the other, and there we

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 1>from there we started it, and it was it was

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>lifting titles or provocative phrases or experiences that we had

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>all shared out of thin air. The one exception was

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>after we had had become ensconced in this uh, this

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>place of desolation, one of the high points was getting

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to get in the car and drive the mile after

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>mile back into the nearest place of civilization. There was

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>a great Mexican restaurant, Las Palmas, and that was our

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>our big day out to go get Mexican food, and

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>we got to know the young lady that she was.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>She was the owner, she was the cook, she was

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>the bookkeeper, I guess you could call her. She was

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 1>the everything. But on this particular day, we've been out

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>there for a couple of months, things were going pretty

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, and we walked in and the place was

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>literally on fire. And we took a step back and

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>she bounded around the corner. She had a blanket in

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>one hand and a smile. She said, don't worry, I'm

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.919
<v Speaker 1>not burning up your breakfast. She goes, I'm gonna get

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this taken care of, which fortunately she did, and upon departure,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>We've had some great Mexican food, and now we had

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a song title She's on Fire. So using what happens,

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>let's stay with the Mexican food. Forget breakfast, which is

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>his own thing. You go to a Mexican restaurant, what

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 1>do you water? Oh? First thing you look for, Uh,

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you want to you want to sample the hot sauce.

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>But you scan the menu for for two see if

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you could make discovery of mola. That's uh in my book,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the Yeah, they always go to starters.

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Do they have mola? And in this case they not

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>only had moley, they had a couple of varieties of molay.

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>How did you get so hooked on oh man? Uh?

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Having spent some time in Mexico, Uh, growing up in

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>between Texas California. There was a a neighbor in Texas

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that was a big shot with Standard Oil and at

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that time they had they had created an alliance with

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the Mexican government who nationalized their oil indeor p Max

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>became part of They were connected with Standard Oil. But

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:45.720
<v Speaker 1>apparently they had some big problem. And I was twelve

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>years old at the time, and my buddy who lived

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>next door, he said, uh, yeah, we're gonna go to

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Mexico City. We'll be back in two weeks. My dad's

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 1>gotta go down there. I gotta put some problem aside

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>for them. Well, after three months, I got a I

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>got a phone call from my buddy and he said,

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>it looks like we're never getting out of here. Can

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you get your parents to let you come down? Well, uh,

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, twelve turning thirteen. My parents were all too

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>ready to let me, let me go. So off we go.

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And upon arrival it it I became aware that you know,

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>our summer months in the USA generally was June, July, August,

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>back to school in September. No, in Mexico, you're still

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>in school during those months. They don't go. They don't

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 1>get out until much later. I said, well this sucks.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I called my my folks back and I said, I'm

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>still in school. I'm staying until we get out of school,

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and I may never come back. And uh so that's

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>my Mexico story. But it was down there where we

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 1>discovered the virtues of a good recipe for mola. How

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>long we How long were you there? Ultimately? Uh? I

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>wound up staying about a year and a half. Wow,

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>how was your Spanish after a year and a half. Well,

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we learned all the bad words. We learned all the

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>bad words. That was That was it. Okay, let's say

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>north of the border, you're in l A. Where do

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you go for Mexican food? Um, you got thirty minutes,

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the list. Let's start. I'll cut you

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 1>short if we run out of time, start with the top. Well,

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, someone found out that I had the opportunity

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 1>to engage with the Bob Left Sets podcast and they said,

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, you gotta ask Bob about food. And

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I said, well, that'll take three or four hours. I

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know if the podcast last that long. But knowing

0:38:55.840 --> 0:39:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that on occasion, you've been very explicit of ut uh

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.479
<v Speaker 1>finding high standards when it comes to being a foodie. Uh,

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that does count. Standards do count. And when it comes

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to Mexican food, I like to tip my hat. Uh.

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I spoke about Molly. The One of the other aspects

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>of knowing you have arrived at the right place. The

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>quality of hot sauce. You gotta check it out if

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the chips are crispy. Of course, it's never it's never humid.

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Enough in Los Angeles to get the let the chips

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 1>get uh, you know, soft and gooey. I mean they're

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>always always crispy, but just recently, uh, I bumped into

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>a friend, Mr. Craig Lay, who was part of a

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>four man team that started a very interesting, uh and

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhat now famous spot right on Sunset Boulevard, two doors

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 1>west of the Whiskey You go go and uh this

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 1>place rock and Riley's by the way, if for those

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that needed an Irish pub destination. But Craig decided to

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>uh take a rental spot on the adjacent property, which

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>had had unexpectedly become vacated. And he called me up

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and he said, hey man, He said, what would you

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>think about getting involved with me in a in a restaurant?

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.919
<v Speaker 1>And I said, oh my god, where's the rabbit hole

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I can throw my money down? So he said no,

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a Mexican restaurant. And I said, gee, Craig, I said,

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure about this. I said, Uh, what

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna call it? He said, oh, you're gonna

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>love it. Well, unfortunately he told me the name and

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 1>if I and I will reveal the name because it's

0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 1>so bad it had it, there was no way that

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it could fail. It's called justin Caso's. So I said,

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>where do I put my money? Craig, justin Casos And

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>sure enough, um right is as California showed the twinkling

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of reopening. He had a grand I should call it

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 1>a grand soft opening just a month ago. Here we

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>are now in the middle of June. I'd say it

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 1>was right at the beginning of the month he said,

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna open the doors. And they've had a record

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 1>breaking crowd ever since. So justin Caso's as crazy as

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>that name, maybe, uh, it's it's a great spot. And

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to add to our discussion of now we've added hot sauce,

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:55.919
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about mola, we must talk about Caso, which

0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>is a very unusual dish to find in Los Angeles. Uh,

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>to the point where if you mentioned Caso uh to

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>a local, they said, well, what is that cheese dip?

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh No, you have to go to Texas. You gotta

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>go back there to get kiso. But just in Casos

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>they have not one, not too not three, but four

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>different offerings a very interesting caso. So if you're a

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>if you're a cheese fan, if your cheese head, you

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 1>gotta go to justin Casos. Yeah, you definitely don't see

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>that everywhere in l A. Let's go back to the

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 1>hot sauce. Give me your thoughts about hot sauce versus

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>salsa and where you're at there, good point. It's often confused.

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Hot sauce could include saltza, which is a more rustic

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>version of the more liquefied version of maybe you'd call

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>it a pepper sauce. Um, let's start with tabasco, which

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 1>is very viscous, almost watery, and then you get into

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>a if you go down years ago, you really had

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to be uh, quite knowledgeable when you entered a grocery

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to find any kind of an aisle that had hot sauce.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Now you've got not one, but you've got both sides

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>of the aisle with so many different flavors of hot sauce,

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>different offerings. In fact, I've added uh I made friends

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>in back in Nashville. There's a songwriting buddy of mine.

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>We've had some success together as writing songs and playing

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:45.879
<v Speaker 1>together Mr Tim Montana who's actually from Montana, And one

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>afternoon we were in the studio back in Nashville, and

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, where where's Tim? And the engineer said, oh,

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.320
<v Speaker 1>we're waiting on the he's upstairs. You've got a few minutes.

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, what's he doing up there? He said, well,

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the commissaries up there. He's making some hot sauce. I said,

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Tim's making hot sauce. I said, I got a recipe

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>for hot sauce. And the next thing you know, Tim

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and I are putting our heads together and and UH

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>we combined a couple of recipes here and recipes there,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and UH. I said, hey, Tim, I said, this is

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. He said, yeah, Man, what are we gonna

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:24.720
<v Speaker 1>call it? I said, well, whisker bomb. You've got a beard,

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got a beard. It's it's it's the Bomb of

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Pepper Sauces. And believe it or not, it's you can

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you can find it online. We we found ourselves at

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>UH in San Antonio, Texas, and we bumped into a

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>guy that was the head of the hot sauce division

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of a great grocery chain down there called H E. B.

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 1>And UH we had a bottle of hot sauce. In fact,

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I had our costumer. All of the jackets that I wear,

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I've I've always got a part. Get never without hot sauce.

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, you gotta gotta keep it handy. And I

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>had some whisker bomb. This guy from h G B

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 1>took a sampling and he said, when can I have it?

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I've got shelf space, bring it on. Well, as a

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>working musician, you really don't have. You know, there's only

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours of the day. Uh, twenty two of

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 1>those hours you're on a bus. The other two hours

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>you're on deck. So I said, we need to find

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>somebody to get it in a bottle. So we found

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.319
<v Speaker 1>We went off Louisiana. What better spot you gotta You

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>gotta place down Louisiana. That's uh, uh creating or they're

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 1>bottling up our recipe whisker bomb. Uh, it's it's kind

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.399
<v Speaker 1>of it's it's it's caught on. It's got enough, it's

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>got enough spice to get your attention, but it's not

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 1>going to leave you running for the water fountain. I

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 1>highly recommended Bob Okay you personally, how hot do you

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like your hot sauce? Not very I went to the match. Uh,

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 1>my good buddy. Uh, everybody's become familiar with the extremes

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>they've got TV shows, you know, the contestants, who can

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>who can consume the hottest whatever. We went down that avenue.

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Guy Fieri, who's a friend of mine. Uh, he's been left.

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh he said yeah. He said, is it milk or

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 1>is it buttermilk? Or is it how do I put

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the fire out? And I said, well, we've we seem

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to have hit the wall on that on that point,

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>but I've kind of backed off. I like flavor. I'll

0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>go with I'll go with flavor. Okay, I see in

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>your code people can't see because this is what the

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>only you do. Have a little bottle of Tabasco. What's

0:46:54.680 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>your verdict on Tabasco? Very good? It's of the accountable.

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 1>It's in uh where whisker Bomb can be found in

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.760
<v Speaker 1>three hundred stores, but those three hundred stores are only

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 1>in Texas. HP. Tabasco, on the other hand, can be

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>found in eighty countries and that's around this planet we

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>live on. So Tabasco, Uh, it's I should say, it's

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>it's flavorful and it's accountable and with you have to

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>be a little judicious, now, don't get me wrong. Uh,

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.720
<v Speaker 1>take it slow and away you go. And how about

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know they have the Habanero. They have the green

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, you even go in there is just your

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:49.879
<v Speaker 1>basic original red. Yeah, now Habannarrow, that's that's getting up there.

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>In fact, just recently, uh um, there was a there's

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>a guy. I believe he's uh down on the southern

0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>part of the East Coast. I believe he's in North

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Carolina or South Carolina. The first it was the Ghost Pepper,

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:17.439
<v Speaker 1>and the Ghost Pepper had won some evaluation study that

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.439
<v Speaker 1>through the Scoville units, through the ceiling, Scoville units being

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the kind of the go to scale of which you

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 1>base your heat index. But the Ghost Pepper is now

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>eclipse the Carolina Reaper. I don't they should make this

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>as a as a you can take paint off cars

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>with this stuff. I don't know what. Why would you

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 1>put this in a bottle? I don't know. It's it's

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 1>for the extremists and yeah, okay, take it, take it. Okay.

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 1>What might surprise people that you put hot sauce on? Well,

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about whisker bomb goes on everything. Um.

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was back in Las Vegas. I was

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 1>invited by Jay and Michelle Naylor, my friends from Palm Springs.

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>They owned the uh famous contemporary art gallery right on

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the main drag. But they also uh commute over to

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, and they extended this particular evenings invitation to

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 1>include a speech by the former mayor of Las Vegas,

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Mayor Oscar Goodman. A lot of folks will relate to

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Mayor Oscar Goodman. The name rings true. He he made

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:50.520
<v Speaker 1>an appearance as himself in the film Casino. Uh. Yeah,

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>he was the representative attorney. Talk about a guy in

0:49:54.880 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 1>real life that's unfiltered. Uh. He gives occasional talks uh

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas. He has selected uh the setting for

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:10.080
<v Speaker 1>these informal talks at a place called Oscars. Not that

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:17.919
<v Speaker 1>the food is uh all that uh memorable. I think

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:21.080
<v Speaker 1>he selected that place because it's got his first name

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 1>in the name of the restaurant. It's a it's a

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 1>good combination. The food is absolutely wonderful. But Mayor Oscar

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Goodman served all three legal terms, and when he was

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>forced to step down, his popularity was such that they

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:43.319
<v Speaker 1>voted his wife. Caroline Goodman, is now the mayor of

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the current Mayor of Las Vegas is Mayor Oscar Goodman's wife.

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 1>But during the during the speeds. This was just last

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 1>week I happened to be. Fortunately I was able to

0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 1>accept the invitation, and they served a delightful menu, and

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>fortunately I had both Tabasco and Whisker Bomb in the pocket. Uh.

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>They had a braised grilled halibut as the main course.

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>And when I say grilled, it was served on a

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 1>was served on a plate with these delightful darkened and

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 1>deep grill marks, and it created just enough trough to

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>catch the hot sauce. So with with with everybody, you

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:35.839
<v Speaker 1>got a little bit of spice. Its good. That's how

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 1>do you know everybody? Oh? Man? Uh? Well you know? Uh? Um,

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>let's see. You and I met years ago when you

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and I were doing Monster Radio together at the Peterson

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Auto Museum. You know you have the best memory of

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 1>any musician I've encountered. Yes, well, uh, those being such

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>memorable days, the recollections are stalwart. Um. In fact, now

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 1>that the door seemed to be reopening, anybody with automotive

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 1>leanings can visit the Peterson Auto Museum, a great spot

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to spend half a day or a full day. But

0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to know so many folks through traveling for

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>five decades now and Uh, it's really been a reward

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 1>as I as I spoke earlier, and I credit Gilligan's

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.799
<v Speaker 1>back in the discussion here. She's a real go getter.

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:43.240
<v Speaker 1>And and uh, just the discovery of doing that, stepping

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>outside the tour bus to get in a van, to

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 1>go in the center of some town, to see foreign

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:54.400
<v Speaker 1>languages in different colors in a grocery. It's an eye opener.

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't stop there because on the way back,

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you're making your way through you're snaking through a residential

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.840
<v Speaker 1>area here, and you're getting through the back alleys of

0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>these of towns, and you get to not only if

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.839
<v Speaker 1>you see things, but you get to meet some very

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>interesting folks along the way. So yeah, I really enjoy it.

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>My hands out there. Who is the im trying to

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>put the right away? Who have you met? Who you

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>were starstruck and said, Wow, I can't believe I'm meeting

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>this person. If anybody, yeah, I can tell you right up.

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen two, cz Top got hired uh travel to Hawaii

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>to perform alongside the Rolling Stones for three glorious shows

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>at the h I C. It was a Saturday night

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:48.720
<v Speaker 1>show a Friday. No I'm sorry a Friday night opening show,

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday afternoon matinee, and a Saturday night and as

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>luck would have it, we were all sharing a five

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 1>day advance as before the performance that was set up

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>by gosh uh uh the promoter made sure that not

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>only were we coming to do the show, he wanted

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:16.839
<v Speaker 1>to give us five days to make sure we were

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:23.360
<v Speaker 1>there and getting to meet the Rolling Stones, particularly Keith Richards,

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 1>who I admired as Uh, you know, the real mover

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and Shaker, I said, T was there, he is. There's

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the guys. So and to this day we've we've remained pals.

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a good start, which has lasted five decades. Okay.

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:41.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you're coming up as a musician, it's

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.799
<v Speaker 1>all about networking. That's a lot of people don't realize that.

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 1>But frequently when a band becomes very successful, like zz Top,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:54.200
<v Speaker 1>it kind of becomes more isolated and you're so busy

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:56.239
<v Speaker 1>in your own lane you don't know what else is

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>going on. But you seem to always be playing with

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>different us Issuanes, meeting different people. You know, is that

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 1>just your nature? How did that come to be? Yes? Uh,

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>as as pointed out uh quite stridently, actually a matter

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of fact, the documentary accounting for these five decades of

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:25.479
<v Speaker 1>zz top UH it's called the Little Old Band from Texas. UH.

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>The director was not shy and pointing out that actually

0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a near fourth member was the fearless manager who kept

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the three guys in check, UH, which is a tip

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 1>of the hat to a guy to take some rambunctious

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.799
<v Speaker 1>teenagers and figuring out how to keep it together. But

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>for the longest time we were restricted. There was a

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.280
<v Speaker 1>hard core rule. We were not allowed to jam session,

0:55:55.400 --> 0:56:00.840
<v Speaker 1>we were not allowed to guests appear. It was UH.

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:06.120
<v Speaker 1>It was like Elvis, if Elvis, if Elvis was a trio,

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.760
<v Speaker 1>it would be easy tough. It was. It was tight.

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 1>But then things loosened up and UH I found a

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>great reward and kind of expanding the sonic horizons by

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:27.319
<v Speaker 1>working with so many great artists and talents within a

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of different fields. The one that seems to be

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.319
<v Speaker 1>still on the radar with the release of Hardware. This

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:40.200
<v Speaker 1>last this most recent solo album, the song Desert High

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:45.760
<v Speaker 1>was the final composition, and we were sitting around thanking, gosh,

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:50.480
<v Speaker 1>we've been stuck out here in the middle of nowhere forever. UH.

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about this mysterious place, Joshua Tree. It's it's

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>quite well known. It's a big tourist draw. It's it's

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 1>you can read eat about the desert. You can even

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>study photograph tomes by the dozens of pictures of the desert.

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But until you're there, uh, you don't really understand what

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:15.960
<v Speaker 1>people say when they when they speak of this mystique.

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>And at the same time, upon arrival you feel it.

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Whether or not words are adequate to describe it remains

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 1>to be seen. But we we were sitting around and said, okay,

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>grab your pencil. Uh, we're pretty much wrapped up on

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 1>this record. Why don't we throw some thoughts together and

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:36.439
<v Speaker 1>see what comes up. Let's talk about what it's been

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>like hanging out and living in the desert. And we

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>we shuffled the papers and uh we collated back into

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>this one sheet and the engineer said, hey man, he said,

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 1>we got this one music track left over. I said, oh, yeah,

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the one that's it's the theme song for a cowboy movie.

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:58.080
<v Speaker 1>It's the song we don't know what to do with.

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:00.960
<v Speaker 1>He said yeah, he said, go see if these words

0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:05.439
<v Speaker 1>will fit. I said, well, I have no melody in mind.

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I have no clue where we where we'd go. So

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I I stood in front of the microphone and wound

0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>up just as a measure to see if it if

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it would fit within this uh two and a half

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>three minutes, I simply recited the lines, and lo and

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>behold the engineers were came in waving their hands. They said,

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you got it, you got it. I said, yeah, but

0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm I was I was speaking, I was not singing.

0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>They said, no, it's it's it's a great message. I

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 1>think that you've wrapped it up. And at the same time,

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:47.880
<v Speaker 1>upon playback, uh, it brought an immediate the immediacy was

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 1>right in front of me. Thinking at any moment, I

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I anticipated seeing Tom Wait's step out of the shadows

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>with his finger pointing, Okay, you're getting close, You're getting close.

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But having said that, Thomas one gifted artist that I've

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 1>held great admiration towards for quite some time. Who perhaps

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 1>one day the invitation might arrive to add that to

0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the list of ways to get it out. It would

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 1>be a would be a great thing. Okay. Needless to say,

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 1>one is very different from the seventies and the eighties.

0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Seventies you know you radio there multiple stations, everybody listens.

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Eighties was MTV the world's radio station. You had ultra

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:42.680
<v Speaker 1>successful tracks on that. But now it's it's hard for

0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>anybody to get traction. As a result of having a name,

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you get more traction other people. To what degree does

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that disincentivize you from making new music irrelevant of the quality,

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to spread the word. Does that even

0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 1>come into the equation? Well, there's uh, there's there's a

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 1>number of factors that that exists that haven't been antagonized

1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>by the radical changes. As you point out from the

1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:16.760
<v Speaker 1>seventies to the present time, it seems fair to say

1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that there's there's one element within the human condition. We

1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>all want to be entertained somehow. We we've got the

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:30.480
<v Speaker 1>joker gene. You know, we all want out. We all

1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 1>want out of ourselves in some manner, and entertainment is

1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:39.040
<v Speaker 1>just that glorious moment when you can call it escapism,

1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you can call it a reward for whatever reason that

1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:46.400
<v Speaker 1>seems to be unchanged. It is the one thing that

1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:52.760
<v Speaker 1>underlies Um. I'm a motivational energy and I see a

1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of guys got yeah, man, he said, I sure

1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.160
<v Speaker 1>would like to make a record, but it's so difficult

1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:02.080
<v Speaker 1>to get it out there. On the other hand, I

1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 1>was speaking with a gentleman and I was quite flattered

1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because he was bragging on this new album hardware, and

1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 1>he said, folks, go out and pick up the new

1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Billy F. Gibbons record wherever you get your music. And

1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought, gee whiz, that's a phrase. That's there's it

1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.800
<v Speaker 1>used to go to the record store and buy it,

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.120
<v Speaker 1>but now it's wherever you get your music. And it's

1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 1>coming from seemingly all angles. There's probably one behind us

1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that we can't see yet. It's ready to pounce. But

1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:40.560
<v Speaker 1>on that note, I I encourage just about anyone that

1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:46.160
<v Speaker 1>has the desire to get out. Uh. And I said,

1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:50.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a few elements we've mentioned entertainment. UH. Slowly but

1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:56.040
<v Speaker 1>surely as things begin to thought out, let's not leave.

1:01:56.520 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Let's not ignore the value of travel. And travel allows

1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you to It allows you to expand more. I Q

1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.600
<v Speaker 1>is not based on what you can pick up from

1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:18.400
<v Speaker 1>simple book learning. Travel includes the aromatic experience. You're all

1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:22.120
<v Speaker 1>factory senses are going wild. The sun shines differently in

1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:26.919
<v Speaker 1>the west than it does in the east. Uh, it's

1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:30.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a real brain teaser, but it's also a brain opener.

1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Mind expansion is there for the taking. And I encourage

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<v Speaker 1>anybody to add travel to I gotta go do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and in so doing, uh, it adds to the creation

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<v Speaker 1>or the creative process. And if you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>entertain somebody, dig down deep and find that special moment

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<v Speaker 1>where creativeness uh is allowed to flourish. It's as you

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<v Speaker 1>point out, yes, it is difficult today. There's so many

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<v Speaker 1>didn't somebody say that YouTube ads a million videos per

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<v Speaker 1>day and Spotify is adding a million tracks per day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a lot of stuff. It's really a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff. But keep getting their swinging. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing? Oh, the adult chores, the leaden chores

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<v Speaker 1>of adulthood. Practice practice, practice, You got? Okay, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back to travel. Where were the most inspirational exciting places

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<v Speaker 1>that you've been and where have you not been that

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to go? Um? I actually made it down

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<v Speaker 1>to Antarctica once about years ago. Uh. I had a buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a pilot and he said, uh uh he

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<v Speaker 1>said yeah, he said, man, I'd like to hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I gotta I got a job. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go down to Tierra del Fuego, said, Tierra del Fuego,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the last point of that's the last point of earth.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, no Antarctica. He said, I'll be going there

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I said, well, count me in. And I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize he was running drugs. But I got on

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<v Speaker 1>the plane and you know, I saw the glaciers breaking

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<v Speaker 1>off and splashing into the well. That was greaty Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's for another story. But traveling, there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>few places that this. Not all stones have been overturned

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<v Speaker 1>just yet. Uh. We were talking about blues and someone said, yeah, blues. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where did it come from? I said, well, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of great books. Uh. One called Savannah Syncopeters. It

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<v Speaker 1>was published back in the seventies early seventies as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the studio This a paperback series by the great

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<v Speaker 1>English musicologist Paul Oliver. And this one particular work called

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<v Speaker 1>Savannah Syncopaters. The subtitle was African Retentions in the Blues.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's quite it's quite possible to detect melodies from

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<v Speaker 1>the Yoruba tribe which are still being sung today. You

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<v Speaker 1>find it in early Charlie Patton records back from the

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<v Speaker 1>thirties and you see gis blues. Okay, yeah, so what's

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<v Speaker 1>that got to do with travel? Well, at one point

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<v Speaker 1>blues was in this country. Was probably heard first around

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi and then it started spreading around. But now you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to there's a blues festival in India. You

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<v Speaker 1>go to Mumbai and you find a blues festival. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've actually gone to India to play a blues festival.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, there are places. Um, well, let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. Yeah, you can find blues just about anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go. Uh, where do you want to go?

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<v Speaker 1>Go to? Where? Uh? Just throw a dart at the

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<v Speaker 1>map and and take off running, uh and bring back

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<v Speaker 1>the values to throw into that creative process and be

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you sure that those energies come out as entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the bottom line. Brilliant. Okay. The room you're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in which is not well furnished from my angle, but

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<v Speaker 1>I see like seven guitars. Are you a gearhead? Definitely?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely so uh. In fact, I'm sitting with Mr Miguel

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Tiny Flowers Fiorentino. Um he engineered hardware, along with

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<v Speaker 1>some other hit records coming out of Los Angeles, Nashville,

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<v Speaker 1>around the planet, Mike, if you'll hand me, Uh yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but right. I was able to abscond from the studio

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<v Speaker 1>out in the desert with that that famous Fender guitar

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<v Speaker 1>that started the first really West Coast junkie. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Fender Jaguar. You know that used to be the

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<v Speaker 1>big guitar the early sixties beach boys. And then everybody

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<v Speaker 1>started playing. Uh because I had three pickups and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>started playing this stratocaster. Oh definitely so uh. We we

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<v Speaker 1>also have here the the Fender reverb tank. God, what

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<v Speaker 1>year is that one one of the first years. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that came out of the studio. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to make surf music, go to the sixties. But

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<v Speaker 1>that African piece on the show, Uh, we're we're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>with guitars. Someone said, how how did you get into that?

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<v Speaker 1>Why this African thing? Get that hat that you're famous for.

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<v Speaker 1>You're constantly showing up with a footstool or a spear

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<v Speaker 1>or a shield or what. Uh, here's a nice APPENDI

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little a doll. Uh. Uh. The the

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<v Speaker 1>the the interesting aspect for me and the connection to

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<v Speaker 1>African art. I consider the blues having read this great

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<v Speaker 1>book by Paul Oliver, African Retentions in the Blues. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go back to the square one, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back. And I felt like if I

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<v Speaker 1>put a statue an African carving in the doorway, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had to kind of sidestep around it, maybe you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get the message, Oh yeah, we gotta we gotta become

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Reid today. Turn it around you, you gotta become

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<v Speaker 1>Albert King the next day. If you're many guitars, do

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<v Speaker 1>you own? Uh? Didn't we use this phrase early ones?

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<v Speaker 1>Too many? And a hunter day? Enough? Okay, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>go to guitar? Pearly Gates? Pearly Gates. The nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine less Paul sunburst um, I think, initially made popular

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<v Speaker 1>long after the instrument had ceased being produced by Gibson. However,

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<v Speaker 1>with the release of John Mayle's record John Maylan the

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<v Speaker 1>Blues Breakers featuring Eric Clapton, if you'll turn to the

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<v Speaker 1>backside of the album cover, you see Clapton playing a

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<v Speaker 1>sunburst less Paul, and right behind that is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit out of focus, but you and detect a martial amplifier.

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<v Speaker 1>So that became and to this day it's still a

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<v Speaker 1>go to combination. It's a winning combination. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff out there. The new magnetone amplifiers will get

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<v Speaker 1>you there. Um gosh, if you're lucky to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stroll by a pawn shop, don't don't forget to look

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<v Speaker 1>in the window. You might find that next quality thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, if if you ask me, I'd say Pearly Gates,

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifty nine less Paula does it for me. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually people are either a Gibson or a Fender person,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have both, and they're different. Give me your take,

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<v Speaker 1>they're very different. Um Uh. Dusty Hill, my fearless bass player,

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<v Speaker 1>and his older brother, Rocky Hill. Rocky came to me

1:10:56.280 --> 1:10:58.559
<v Speaker 1>and he said, uh, do you think I should go

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<v Speaker 1>to the tattoo shop? I said it, Well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>so sure. Uh, you play Gibson guitars. I know you

1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about having a tattoo of Gibson. He said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I got two arms, Fender on one, Gibson on the

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<v Speaker 1>other on Uh what about two? You play gretch? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I got the back of the neck. Come on, man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been lucky enough to play them all

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<v Speaker 1>that there's something good in all of it. Okay, other

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<v Speaker 1>than yourself greatest rock gutarist of all time? She was,

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many I've made. I've made an interesting recent

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<v Speaker 1>discovery and had the rewarding opportunity to befriend a picker

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<v Speaker 1>out of Nashville as an Alabama guy that has made

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<v Speaker 1>great strides uh throughout the session world playing some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most awesome, ridiculously fast chicken picking. Uh. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>got the greatest name his he goes, but his real

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<v Speaker 1>name is gut three Trap. Gut three Trap. If if

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<v Speaker 1>you have the opportunity to tune into YouTube, just type

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<v Speaker 1>in gut three trap chicken picking and in ninety seconds

1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:29.840
<v Speaker 1>you'll be willing to throw your guitar away. He's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those guys. He's just he's just out there. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I recently made an appearance within the last month at

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<v Speaker 1>the Grand Ole Opry, and the organizer of the event

1:12:40.880 --> 1:12:46.439
<v Speaker 1>had invited some stalwart performers. Brad Paisley showed up, Eric

1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Church showed up, Lucinda Williams came around. It's it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a stellar evening. And at the last minute the

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<v Speaker 1>organizers said, is there anybody that you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>see added to the lineup? And I said, I have

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<v Speaker 1>made discovery of the fellow named Guthrie Trap. And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, yes, we know. Guthrie Um a brilliant player. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see yourself colliding? You know he's he's Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>You're the rock and blues guy and he's the country guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That might make for an interesting combination. I said, he's

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<v Speaker 1>so good, I'm going to after standards. I'm only going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to play the snare drum, which I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, folks, that's the reason I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>up guitar. Now, great guy, Guthrie Trap. You've also worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Jeff Beck. What was that like? Oh? Man, words

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<v Speaker 1>failed me. Um. I met Jeff when I was probably eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been a stalwart follower of what he's managed

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<v Speaker 1>to uncover. I I talked about Jeff uh in hushed

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<v Speaker 1>tone wounds Uh for a number of reasons. Uh. He

1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:09.479
<v Speaker 1>plays just whatever he can dream up, and he leaves

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<v Speaker 1>most of us scratching our heads wondering how he did it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I can brag just for a moment back

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<v Speaker 1>in sixty eight with the moving sidewalks we got we

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<v Speaker 1>got to team up with the Jimmy Hendrix Experience, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a new act just coming back from the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh I wound up being assigned a room at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the hallway at these hotels. Jimmy was

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<v Speaker 1>on the left, I was on the right, and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>But I, uh, I would see the two equipment guys

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<v Speaker 1>hauling in this piece of furniture. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a record player, but it was one of those giant

1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, home and they didn't even call I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they called it. It was. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>size of a buick. And they loaded into the room

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<v Speaker 1>and he motioned the doors were always open. He motioned

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<v Speaker 1>he'd sent me a signal, okay, come on, come on over,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough I've walked in. And the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he said, how do you think he's doing that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was playing Jeff Beck's Truth, the first Jeff Beck

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<v Speaker 1>Group record. I was My mind was blown and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>well wow, I said Jimmy, I said, this may come

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<v Speaker 1>as news to you, but he's probably playing your records

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<v Speaker 1>thinking the same how does this guy do that? As

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as everybody knows. Uh, Jimmy's preferred go to

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<v Speaker 1>guitar was usually the Fender Stratocaster, and I can probably

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee the inventors of that instrument never had an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what he would end up doing with it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing, remarkable stuff. Okay. You also share an interest

1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:01.519
<v Speaker 1>with car of Cards with Jeff. Jeff Beck is an

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<v Speaker 1>actual tinker tinkerer. He actually works on the cars. How

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<v Speaker 1>do your interest in cars alive? Yeah? I go see uh,

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<v Speaker 1>um our buddy, not too far from where you and

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<v Speaker 1>I reside. We take I have discovered the train from

1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:22.240
<v Speaker 1>downtown Los Angeles. You go to Union Station, pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the train down to the past Fullerton exit to the

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<v Speaker 1>next top Anaheim and in the shadows is Jimmy Shine,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jimmy Shine speed Shop. Uh. In fact, I just

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<v Speaker 1>appeared with Mr Jimmy Shine along with the Jay Leno

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<v Speaker 1>at Jay Leno's garage and we had a big laugh. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay said hey, he said, uh, could we see the

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<v Speaker 1>new hot rod, the new BFG hot rod. It's on

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of your record hardware. I said, sure, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but but it's not quite finished. Me and Mr Shine

1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:05.960
<v Speaker 1>are still putting some finishing touches on it. And he said, oh,

1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:11.360
<v Speaker 1>he said, uh, do you work on them? And I said, well, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with this beard, I'm only allowed to be handed a wrench.

1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy holds the torch. I can't get close. So so

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<v Speaker 1>but we still dig it. Man. Uh. For some reason, gush.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes back to the first what they call the

1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:34.120
<v Speaker 1>first rocking rock and roll record, Jackie Brinston's Rocket. And

1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:39.920
<v Speaker 1>somehow cars, guitars rock and roll. Uh, don't leave out

1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:44.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty girls. There's food in there as well. But there's

1:17:44.439 --> 1:17:49.760
<v Speaker 1>these elements that seemed to coalesce and nobody seems to

1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:53.920
<v Speaker 1>know why. But I don't know. I've seen Jay driving

1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:58.479
<v Speaker 1>his cars on the freeway, you know car. So in

1:17:58.520 --> 1:18:02.280
<v Speaker 1>your particular case, these hot rids went in. Where do

1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you drive them? I can get out on the It's

1:18:04.760 --> 1:18:07.360
<v Speaker 1>like owning a lot of guitars. As long as you

1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:11.040
<v Speaker 1>keep them tuned up and put them into service. Uh,

1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:14.800
<v Speaker 1>they stay viable. And as you point out, Jay is

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<v Speaker 1>not shy about getting on the freeway, getting on the

1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:23.120
<v Speaker 1>back roads. Uh. With as many four wheeled crazy things

1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>that he's got, they they all. Uh, they all see

1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:29.559
<v Speaker 1>the light of day. He's got this one electric car

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<v Speaker 1>that was built in nineteen fourteen, the name of which

1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:37.720
<v Speaker 1>escapes to me. But the cabin is round and the

1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:42.160
<v Speaker 1>windshield wraps around like a fish bowl. It's it's glorious.

1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:46.280
<v Speaker 1>And he's got a foot pedal that rings a bell too.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's as an electric car, it's quiet. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>hear it coming. And he only takes it out at Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes down and uh, he's actually uh, he's given

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<v Speaker 1>Gilligan a riot. She got to take it around the

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<v Speaker 1>walk with Jay ringing the bell, of course. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go ouat and get another guitar and make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>play it. Uh, get another guitar, make sure you drive it,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good So the English rock stars they were

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<v Speaker 1>all buying, asked in Martin's Lamborghinis ferraris you tend to

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<v Speaker 1>the American hot rod Spirit thirties and forties, etcetera? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any of the Italian hardware, any of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern stuff tesla, etcetera. Not yet. Uh. I have left

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<v Speaker 1>that to my two partners back at the ZZ top

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<v Speaker 1>uh camp. Uh, Frank and Dusty both laned Italiano. I

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<v Speaker 1>got stuck in nineteen thirty two with the road with

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<v Speaker 1>the Deuce coupe, and it doesn't seem to have melted

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<v Speaker 1>down just just yet. Um. I don't know. There's so

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<v Speaker 1>many interesting ways to look at it. Uh. The car

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<v Speaker 1>culture has kind of driven the great Old U s

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<v Speaker 1>A for so long, and it doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>giving up. Although I just recently I learned that the

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<v Speaker 1>registration for new driver's licenses has plummeted. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the way out. Um. And to be quite honest,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned having discovered the the train down to

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<v Speaker 1>to Orange County, Uh, well, how do you get to

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<v Speaker 1>Union Station that's downtown, I said, take a lift or uber?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you don't drive? I said, well sometimes, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting It's a different world, just like music. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is, you remember the sixties and seventies. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing you did forget the Sunday drive. See I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get in my car. I'm gonna drive cross country. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of a kid talking about drive cross country anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I'm gonna get kissasette'. I'mna listening to the ADEO.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, see the look through the windshield, big sky

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<v Speaker 1>Country to go. Yeah. Earlier I mentioned having uh joined

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Naylor and his wife Michelle ms Hell if she

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<v Speaker 1>likes to be called too to hear the speeches with

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Goodman and our good friends from the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Review Journal, Mr John Katz. He recently announced he was

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<v Speaker 1>going back to collect his high school car he is,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a sixty seven Marquarie Cougar. Meant looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it just was still sitting on the showroom floor, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was. He was out to get into his sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven to drive on Root sixty six because he's now

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<v Speaker 1>turned sixty. I said, Okay, there's whatever reason you need

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. Let's go back to the blue for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>So two blues records for the uninitiated to start with, Wow, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll I'll dredge up. Not only the favorite artist, that

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<v Speaker 1>being Jimmy Reid. The favorite track is Honey Don't Let

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<v Speaker 1>Me Go. It's got it all. He's singing great. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He plays with the drummer and his sidekick Eddie Taylor. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he blows that harmonica and just the right form.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to me. Uh. When I get up in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, somebody thought I was out of my mind.

1:22:43.200 --> 1:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I had some Doc Martin boots and he said, why

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<v Speaker 1>are you putting air phones around those shoes? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>because I gotta play Jimmy Reid. I gotta walk in

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<v Speaker 1>these shoes later, Jimmy's gonna help me get down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's that much of a sickness. It's an obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, I guess. I mean if it were, if

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<v Speaker 1>it were boiled down to one, it would it would

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<v Speaker 1>certainly come back to Jimmy Reed. And how about from

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<v Speaker 1>the rock blues era, starting with you know, Fleetwood, Mac, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>From there on, what record would you say to listen to, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one coming well? Uh, I would say the British

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<v Speaker 1>blues guitar greats that rescued this great American art form

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<v Speaker 1>we call the blues. They, when I say rescued it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was seemingly on its way out. It was evaporating

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<v Speaker 1>until the British embraced it. And you had, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the long list. Uh. And we can start with

1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the tried and true gang of guys Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck,

1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Page, Peter Green, Mick Abrams from Bloodwind Pig. I

1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:03.360
<v Speaker 1>think Mick was with Jeff Hotel. Uh it stretched far

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<v Speaker 1>and wide, Richard Thompson, who of course was more of

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<v Speaker 1>a folk guy, Fairport convention guy. But so much uh

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<v Speaker 1>could have been lost had it not been for the

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<v Speaker 1>rescue of by the British. Of course, give the British

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<v Speaker 1>a subject and they will, they will study it and

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<v Speaker 1>take it down to the genetics. I mean, they got

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<v Speaker 1>the d NA, they'll take it down to the d N. A. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite ZZ top song, you know, I'm bad, I'm nicheanwide?

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<v Speaker 1>How did that come together? I was in Austin, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>going to the Vulcan Gas Company, which was it was

1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of a destination. It was a music venue that

1:24:53.040 --> 1:24:59.640
<v Speaker 1>always had somebody of interest playing um nightly. And this

1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:04.439
<v Speaker 1>was way way back. And on this particular evening, my

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<v Speaker 1>buddy Billy Clayton he uh announced that he had intentions

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<v Speaker 1>to go see freddie King. I said, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>how could I have overlooked freddie King tonight? He said, yeah,

1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he's down the street. He's at the balk And Gas Company.

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<v Speaker 1>So the two of us, sure enough, we uh we

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<v Speaker 1>showed up and stayed for the last the last note

1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and Freddie was on fire that particular night, and we

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<v Speaker 1>we tiptoed back, crossed over the parking lot and got

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<v Speaker 1>in the car and we just sat there. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say much, We didn't say anything. And Billy Clayton, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he cracked the code. He said, Man, Freddie King. I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's bad. And Billy looked at me, said and nationwide.

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<v Speaker 1>At that moment, it just made so much sense that

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<v Speaker 1>never left. And and Uh I shared that very story

1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>with Frank and Dusty and they said, okay, there's we

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for a way to get into a song.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see if we can get out of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of our favor We still play it, still

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<v Speaker 1>play it another one Jesus left Chicago. Don Fox says

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<v Speaker 1>it's about him, is it? Oh? Man, he'll take He'll

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<v Speaker 1>take credit for just about anything you throw at him. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Don Fox. Uh, you know he was first in line

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up and support zz Top as a promoter.

1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>He dragged us out of Texas straight over to New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans where he was running the Great Venue the Warehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh about this time, um, I was just speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about uh, the coupling of waiting on the bus that

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<v Speaker 1>leads in right. Uh, segways directly into Jesus Just Left Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an engineering accident. Uh. Terry Manning, who was

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<v Speaker 1>later working on that, he he took the back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day of Razor blading a piece of ascitate. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a mistake, but when he when he realized

1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the two songs were back to back, Uh, we we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of liked it, and to this day we can't

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<v Speaker 1>play one without the other. Jesus Just Left Chicago. But

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about that song and it took us

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<v Speaker 1>back to zez Tups first album and I thought, gee

1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:39.920
<v Speaker 1>was I said, we had finished the recordings and then

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<v Speaker 1>it came time, what are we going to call this record?

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<v Speaker 1>We're kind of we kind of like the record. What

1:27:44.280 --> 1:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>are we gonna call it? And I said maybe we

1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:50.559
<v Speaker 1>should call it zz Tops first album And they said

1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of pretentious, edn't it? I said, yeah, but

1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna light the fuse to make sure we get

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<v Speaker 1>to do another one. So I'm not knowe Billy, We're

1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to you this again because there's some of

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<v Speaker 1>this whole zz Top history we didn't get into want

1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:07.720
<v Speaker 1>to get more into Texas, but we'd have a four

1:28:07.760 --> 1:28:10.799
<v Speaker 1>hour conversation, but I definitely want to continue with those subjects.

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<v Speaker 1>You're quite the rack and tour. Thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 1>showing up, Bob. It's such a pleasure. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just recently you did a great thing with Joel Selvyn

1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about Hollywood Eden his great book. Uh it brings

1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>me back to the West coast having been stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas. I'm ready to go back home and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess uh, I'll come knock it on your door.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, indeed we'll pick it up where we left off.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll pick up sticks and lay them down. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been a it's been a real enlivening exchange. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Man, you're just great dealing right until next time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bob left six