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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Sex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Block Billy F. Gibbon Billy, Mr Bob,

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Speaker 1: So good to be here with you. Man. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: getting into the rock and roll thing. I in fact,

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Speaker 1: I just read uh one of the latest left Sets newsletters,

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Speaker 1: so I'm up to speed on just about nothing I saw.

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Speaker 1: I need you to give me about a hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten thousand more. Okay, let me ask you a couple

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Speaker 1: of questions right up front. Yeah, back in the seventies

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Speaker 1: it was Billy Gibbons. Now it's Billy F. Gibbons. What changed? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I ran into some friends up in Vancouver, BC that

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Speaker 1: we're heavy into numerology, and they convinced me to become

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Speaker 1: a bit superstitious, uh uh, saying that the the the

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Speaker 1: birth name was out of balance, and so they provided

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Speaker 1: me fifty selections of first names and fifty selections of

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Speaker 1: possible last names, all of which sucked. So but they said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you use your initial from your your

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Speaker 1: birth given middle name, it all balances up. Billy F. Given.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you and I talked about this at the

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Speaker 1: palm one night, and I was it was a bit

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Speaker 1: shy because since then, everybody they have they have graced

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Speaker 1: me with another word that starts with F, which I'll

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Speaker 1: go with. Okay, okay, So do you believe in numerology

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Speaker 1: of those things? I'm not saying no. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a superstitious guy, don't think. But who's to say,

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Speaker 1: you know? Okay, in okay, let's just take a little further.

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Speaker 1: Are you into astrology? Not necessarily no, although although having

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Speaker 1: been born in December, you know the Sagittarius things, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Sage brothers. That's a strong that's a strong thing.

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Speaker 1: Have you been vaccinated? You know, I'm waiting, I'm in line.

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Speaker 1: My physicians sitting on the fence. So I had the

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Speaker 1: antibody's test, right, and they were so up that they

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Speaker 1: encouraged me to donate some blood to the local clinic,

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Speaker 1: which I did. They said, hey, we need those antibodies,

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Speaker 1: and I said, well, okay, does that mean that I

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Speaker 1: had it? Uh and didn't know it. That's another possibility

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Speaker 1: that they're not nobody's you know, everybody's sitting on the

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Speaker 1: fence kind of faith here and there. But the good news,

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Speaker 1: the curtains seems to be rising. I feel things thawing out.

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Speaker 1: I was out and about uh in town and Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're making announcements. Now I gotta go back to work.

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Speaker 1: So what it was? What was it like being out

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Speaker 1: of work for all that time? Oh? It was boring.

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely boring. In fact, the only thing that

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Speaker 1: cut the ice. I got a phone call unexpectedly from

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Speaker 1: our man with the big bad back beach are fearless

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Speaker 1: drummer from points beyond Uh. And I'm not speaking about

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Speaker 1: Frank the man with no beard beard or Dusty Hill.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the trio on that side. The other trio

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Speaker 1: started off with Matt sarm and Austin Hanks Mr left

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Speaker 1: hand Austin Hanks playing the They called me up and

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Speaker 1: they said, are you tired of just sitting around doing nothing?

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, what you got in mine? And they said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come scoop you up. We're out in Palm Springs.

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Speaker 1: You over in Las Vegas. We have we found a

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Speaker 1: recording studio near Joshua Tree. And at that moment I

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Speaker 1: mistakenly said, yeah, the Rancho de la Luna, I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: with it, and they said, no, no, you you were

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Speaker 1: over there working with the Queens of the stone Age.

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Speaker 1: This is a this is across the street. But what

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Speaker 1: Matt didn't tell me was it was across the street

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Speaker 1: is that it indeed, uh, you know, when you're doing

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Speaker 1: the only way out of doing nothing is to start

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Speaker 1: doing something, and this was an opportunity to get it

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Speaker 1: going on. So we have Okay, let's let's go back

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Speaker 1: a chapter. Did you write out the pandemic in Vegas? Yes.

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Speaker 1: I had gone to London at the end of February

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Speaker 1: to to make an appearance on the invitation of Mick Fleetwood,

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Speaker 1: who had organized that glorious celebration tribute to the early

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Speaker 1: days of Fleetwood mic when they were a four piece

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Speaker 1: of blues band, which a lot of folks think Fleetwood

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Speaker 1: Mike is a pop band. They started off with that

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Speaker 1: m mc fleetwood on on drums and Miss Gilligan, my

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Speaker 1: lovely sweetheart, was with me. And at the conclusion of

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Speaker 1: It was London Palladium. Place was packed. And then we

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Speaker 1: and we were carrying on and just having a big

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Speaker 1: In fact, had we not gotten out, I've been speaking

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Speaker 1: hopped in the taxicab and the driver turned around. He said, uh, hey, Billy,

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Speaker 1: uh dog on it. I had tickets for your show.

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Speaker 1: I said, well, don't worry it. This is Wednesday, man,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start on Friday. We got a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: He goes, where have you been? It's postponed. That's how

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Speaker 1: I found out that this was a serious drop of

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Speaker 1: I was informed that, uh, we're sitting on the fence.

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna play? And they said no, no, it's

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Speaker 1: it's here. You have a house in Vegas. Have a

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Speaker 1: house in Vegas. Yeah. Gilligan wanted a ranch, and a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine said, hey, man, I got I got

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Speaker 1: your ranch, which I thought he was joking, and in

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Speaker 1: fact I was over there to play a walk on

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Speaker 1: She goes, oh, I was talking to your buddy Markling,

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Speaker 1: and he grabbed me by the shoulders and he's a man,

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Speaker 1: I know you've been talking about that ranch. I got

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Speaker 1: your ranch, And it had been this ongoing joke. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get a ranch. So we caught the

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning the phone rang and man, you

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Speaker 1: left town. Where where I got your ranch? And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: a little ranch property on the screen. I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: So we got on the early morning flew back to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I got off the plan. I said, man, why why

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Speaker 1: the long face? He goes, I tried to catch you.

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Speaker 1: Somebody bought the property you that you were looking at,

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Speaker 1: and I said, well, we're here. Let's let's go see

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Speaker 1: what we didn't get. As you know, like I needed

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Speaker 1: another house. How many houses? How many houses do you have? Uh?

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Speaker 1: on a tour bus. It just keeps changing talents. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: I said, well, just for questions, I said, what would

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Speaker 1: girls went into a mild panic and and said, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, she got pregnant with baby number six. They've

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Speaker 1: already bought another property. This one's coming on the market

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Speaker 1: in the morning, and it seemed to be reasonably priced.

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Speaker 1: signed on the dotted line. It turns out to be Uh.

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Speaker 1: Dean Martin. This house had was Bridget Bardoe's wedding house

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Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty seven. That's a little history there. So

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Speaker 1: to just a piece of property, I'd call it a

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Speaker 1: interesting development. It was. They broke ground in nineteen forty

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Speaker 1: two acres. And of course, back in those days, Las

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that there was enough room. In fact,

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Speaker 1: there's still a couple of couple of stables in the

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Speaker 1: since Gilligan was excited about the stables, does she ride?

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Speaker 1: She rides my butt. She rides me all the time.

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Speaker 1: I can't get away from that. But the being okay,

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Speaker 1: does she ride horses? Uh? You know, that's a good

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Speaker 1: You've been with Dilligan about fifteen years or so at

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Speaker 1: Does she stay home? No, she's she's on the road,

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Speaker 1: So now you're seeing more than a hotel room. Definitely, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: does it does appear that we're gonna be out and

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Speaker 1: city go by jet to the varying gigs, yes on occasion. Now,

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Speaker 1: So let's say a traditional gig ins at eleven PM.

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Speaker 1: What's your routine after eleven Well, we've we uh we

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Speaker 1: we'll mingle with a few fans maybe here and there,

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Speaker 1: and depending out on the weather, we'll we'll go outside

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Speaker 1: and and if we're really lucky, some of the the

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Speaker 1: you said it. I don't know if we're I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we hit dreamland until six am. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's so it's so exciting to get up

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Speaker 1: and there I was, so he said, he said, Senor,

425
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: yes you're famous. I like your beard. So yeah, the

426
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: beard goes, the beard goes where we go? Man? Okay,

427
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: so you show up out there, knew Joshua twee. How

428
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: do you start making the record? Well, we didn't plan

429
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: on starting the record per se. It was Uh. It

430
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: was set as just a nice way to take a

431
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: ride and met's a rag top car. I thought, g was,

432
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: what's it gonna take to inspect a studio? It's four

433
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: walls with no windows, will be in and out in

434
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. However, those thirty minutes magically turned into thirty days,

435
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: which turned into month and month and month. Uh. However, Uh,

436
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: not planning to start anything, there was no equipment truck

437
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: following u Sin. So the good news is Matt very

438
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: quickly discovered a set of drums over in a dusty corner.

439
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: Austin found a couple of old Fender guitars in the

440
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: opposite corner, and the engineer was waving his hands and

441
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: gee fellas he said, Uh, I don't know if that

442
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: stuff is playable. Uh, he said, you can give it

443
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: a shot. So Matt went about tuning up the drums,

444
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: Austin and I were we We were forced to plug

445
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: into a Fender reverb tank which went into an old

446
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Fender amp. But sure enough the light came on. We

447
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: lit the fuse and the engineer was was beside himself.

448
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna get the tape

449
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: rolling right now. And you can actually hear the first

450
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: track from that first unexpected entry into the studio, the

451
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: song which became the title West Coast Junkie. What makes uh,

452
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: what makes it entertaining, is here we are playing on

453
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: old Fender guitars with Matt's backbeat, and the sound is

454
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: nothing short of sixties surf music, and we're miles and

455
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: miles from the nearest drop of water. It was. It

456
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: was kind of that incongruous coupling, you know, surf music

457
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: meets sand and cactus, which was crazy. So at what

458
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: point did you say, hey, we want to make an album? Well,

459
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we never left that that kind of

460
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: did it. And I credit the engineer, both engineers. Uh,

461
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: my sidekick, Mike Fiorentino. He likes to go by his

462
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: the loose Italian translation of his last name, Fiorentino, Tiny

463
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Flowers and Matt's engineer, Chad Slawser. Those two guys were

464
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: so enamored with the fact that we were actually making

465
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: usable sounds they locked the door and refused to let

466
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: us leave. So here we are. We got the key

467
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: to the the what was the I called it the

468
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: neighbor's house. It had been turned into the bunk I

469
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: guess you'd call it the bunk house today. But there

470
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: we stayed. And the good news is we were so

471
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: we were having such a good time, the good time

472
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: and this this message goes out to all of the

473
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: left sets followers that are engaging and this uh, rather

474
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: crazy avenue called the entertainment game. Just remember, the good

475
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: times you have in the studio will find their way

476
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: into the grooves. So that's that's the lesson I can

477
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: leave you with. That's what was happening as we as

478
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: we stepped inside that place. It was fast and furious, loud,

479
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: and it was it was okay okay. In terms of

480
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: writing the songs, were they just jams like the stones

481
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: that turned into songs? How did you end up with songs?

482
00:33:52,920 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Very much stones approach? Uh, we had no pre preparation. Well,

483
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: I take that back, we had blank paper in one

484
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: pocket and a pencil in the other, and there we

485
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: from there we started it, and it was it was

486
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: lifting titles or provocative phrases or experiences that we had

487
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: all shared out of thin air. The one exception was

488
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: after we had had become ensconced in this uh, this

489
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: place of desolation, one of the high points was getting

490
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: to get in the car and drive the mile after

491
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: mile back into the nearest place of civilization. There was

492
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: a great Mexican restaurant, Las Palmas, and that was our

493
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: our big day out to go get Mexican food, and

494
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: we got to know the young lady that she was.

495
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: She was the owner, she was the cook, she was

496
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: the bookkeeper, I guess you could call her. She was

497
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: the everything. But on this particular day, we've been out

498
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: there for a couple of months, things were going pretty

499
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: pretty good, and we walked in and the place was

500
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: literally on fire. And we took a step back and

501
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: she bounded around the corner. She had a blanket in

502
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: one hand and a smile. She said, don't worry, I'm

503
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: not burning up your breakfast. She goes, I'm gonna get

504
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: this taken care of, which fortunately she did, and upon departure,

505
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: We've had some great Mexican food, and now we had

506
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: a song title She's on Fire. So using what happens,

507
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: let's stay with the Mexican food. Forget breakfast, which is

508
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: his own thing. You go to a Mexican restaurant, what

509
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: do you water? Oh? First thing you look for, Uh,

510
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: you want to you want to sample the hot sauce.

511
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: But you scan the menu for for two see if

512
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: you could make discovery of mola. That's uh in my book,

513
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the Yeah, they always go to starters.

514
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Do they have mola? And in this case they not

515
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: only had moley, they had a couple of varieties of molay.

516
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: How did you get so hooked on oh man? Uh?

517
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Having spent some time in Mexico, Uh, growing up in

518
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: between Texas California. There was a a neighbor in Texas

519
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: that was a big shot with Standard Oil and at

520
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: that time they had they had created an alliance with

521
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: the Mexican government who nationalized their oil indeor p Max

522
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: became part of They were connected with Standard Oil. But

523
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: apparently they had some big problem. And I was twelve

524
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: years old at the time, and my buddy who lived

525
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: next door, he said, uh, yeah, we're gonna go to

526
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: Mexico City. We'll be back in two weeks. My dad's

527
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: gotta go down there. I gotta put some problem aside

528
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: for them. Well, after three months, I got a I

529
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: got a phone call from my buddy and he said,

530
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: it looks like we're never getting out of here. Can

531
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: you get your parents to let you come down? Well, uh,

532
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, twelve turning thirteen. My parents were all too

533
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: ready to let me, let me go. So off we go.

534
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: And upon arrival it it I became aware that you know,

535
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: our summer months in the USA generally was June, July, August,

536
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: back to school in September. No, in Mexico, you're still

537
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: in school during those months. They don't go. They don't

538
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: get out until much later. I said, well this sucks.

539
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: I called my my folks back and I said, I'm

540
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: still in school. I'm staying until we get out of school,

541
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: and I may never come back. And uh so that's

542
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: my Mexico story. But it was down there where we

543
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: discovered the virtues of a good recipe for mola. How

544
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: long we How long were you there? Ultimately? Uh? I

545
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: wound up staying about a year and a half. Wow,

546
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: how was your Spanish after a year and a half. Well,

547
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: we learned all the bad words. We learned all the

548
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: bad words. That was That was it. Okay, let's say

549
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: north of the border, you're in l A. Where do

550
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: you go for Mexican food? Um, you got thirty minutes,

551
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you the list. Let's start. I'll cut you

552
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: short if we run out of time, start with the top. Well,

553
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: you know, someone found out that I had the opportunity

554
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: to engage with the Bob Left Sets podcast and they said,

555
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you gotta ask Bob about food. And

556
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I said, well, that'll take three or four hours. I

557
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: don't know if the podcast last that long. But knowing

558
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: that on occasion, you've been very explicit of ut uh

559
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: finding high standards when it comes to being a foodie. Uh,

560
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: that does count. Standards do count. And when it comes

561
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: to Mexican food, I like to tip my hat. Uh.

562
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: I spoke about Molly. The One of the other aspects

563
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: of knowing you have arrived at the right place. The

564
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: quality of hot sauce. You gotta check it out if

565
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: the chips are crispy. Of course, it's never it's never humid.

566
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Enough in Los Angeles to get the let the chips

567
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: get uh, you know, soft and gooey. I mean they're

568
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: always always crispy, but just recently, uh, I bumped into

569
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: a friend, Mr. Craig Lay, who was part of a

570
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: four man team that started a very interesting, uh and

571
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: somewhat now famous spot right on Sunset Boulevard, two doors

572
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: west of the Whiskey You go go and uh this

573
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: place rock and Riley's by the way, if for those

574
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: that needed an Irish pub destination. But Craig decided to

575
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: uh take a rental spot on the adjacent property, which

576
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: had had unexpectedly become vacated. And he called me up

577
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: and he said, hey man, He said, what would you

578
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: think about getting involved with me in a in a restaurant?

579
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: And I said, oh my god, where's the rabbit hole

580
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I can throw my money down? So he said no,

581
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: it's a Mexican restaurant. And I said, gee, Craig, I said,

582
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about this. I said, Uh, what

583
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: are you gonna call it? He said, oh, you're gonna

584
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: love it. Well, unfortunately he told me the name and

585
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: if I and I will reveal the name because it's

586
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: so bad it had it, there was no way that

587
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: it could fail. It's called justin Caso's. So I said,

588
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: where do I put my money? Craig, justin Casos And

589
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: sure enough, um right is as California showed the twinkling

590
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: of reopening. He had a grand I should call it

591
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: a grand soft opening just a month ago. Here we

592
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: are now in the middle of June. I'd say it

593
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: was right at the beginning of the month he said,

594
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna open the doors. And they've had a record

595
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: breaking crowd ever since. So justin Caso's as crazy as

596
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: that name, maybe, uh, it's it's a great spot. And

597
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: to add to our discussion of now we've added hot sauce,

598
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: we've talked about mola, we must talk about Caso, which

599
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: is a very unusual dish to find in Los Angeles. Uh,

600
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: to the point where if you mentioned Caso uh to

601
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: a local, they said, well, what is that cheese dip?

602
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: Oh No, you have to go to Texas. You gotta

603
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: go back there to get kiso. But just in Casos

604
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: they have not one, not too not three, but four

605
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: different offerings a very interesting caso. So if you're a

606
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: if you're a cheese fan, if your cheese head, you

607
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: gotta go to justin Casos. Yeah, you definitely don't see

608
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: that everywhere in l A. Let's go back to the

609
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: hot sauce. Give me your thoughts about hot sauce versus

610
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: salsa and where you're at there, good point. It's often confused.

611
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Hot sauce could include saltza, which is a more rustic

612
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: version of the more liquefied version of maybe you'd call

613
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: it a pepper sauce. Um, let's start with tabasco, which

614
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: is very viscous, almost watery, and then you get into

615
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: a if you go down years ago, you really had

616
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: to be uh, quite knowledgeable when you entered a grocery

617
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: to find any kind of an aisle that had hot sauce.

618
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Now you've got not one, but you've got both sides

619
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: of the aisle with so many different flavors of hot sauce,

620
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: different offerings. In fact, I've added uh I made friends

621
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: in back in Nashville. There's a songwriting buddy of mine.

622
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: We've had some success together as writing songs and playing

623
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: together Mr Tim Montana who's actually from Montana, And one

624
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: afternoon we were in the studio back in Nashville, and

625
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: I said, where where's Tim? And the engineer said, oh,

626
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: we're waiting on the he's upstairs. You've got a few minutes.

627
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: I said, what's he doing up there? He said, well,

628
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: the commissaries up there. He's making some hot sauce. I said,

629
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Tim's making hot sauce. I said, I got a recipe

630
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: for hot sauce. And the next thing you know, Tim

631
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and I are putting our heads together and and UH

632
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: we combined a couple of recipes here and recipes there,

633
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: and UH. I said, hey, Tim, I said, this is

634
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: pretty good. He said, yeah, Man, what are we gonna

635
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: call it? I said, well, whisker bomb. You've got a beard,

636
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I've got a beard. It's it's it's the Bomb of

637
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: Pepper Sauces. And believe it or not, it's you can

638
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: you can find it online. We we found ourselves at

639
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: UH in San Antonio, Texas, and we bumped into a

640
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: guy that was the head of the hot sauce division

641
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: of a great grocery chain down there called H E. B.

642
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: And UH we had a bottle of hot sauce. In fact,

643
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: I had our costumer. All of the jackets that I wear,

644
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: I've I've always got a part. Get never without hot sauce.

645
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta gotta keep it handy. And I

646
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: had some whisker bomb. This guy from h G B

647
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: took a sampling and he said, when can I have it?

648
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: I've got shelf space, bring it on. Well, as a

649
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: working musician, you really don't have. You know, there's only

650
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of the day. Uh, twenty two of

651
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: those hours you're on a bus. The other two hours

652
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: you're on deck. So I said, we need to find

653
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: somebody to get it in a bottle. So we found

654
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: We went off Louisiana. What better spot you gotta You

655
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: gotta place down Louisiana. That's uh, uh creating or they're

656
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: bottling up our recipe whisker bomb. Uh, it's it's kind

657
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: of it's it's it's caught on. It's got enough, it's

658
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: got enough spice to get your attention, but it's not

659
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: going to leave you running for the water fountain. I

660
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: highly recommended Bob Okay you personally, how hot do you

661
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: like your hot sauce? Not very I went to the match. Uh,

662
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: my good buddy. Uh, everybody's become familiar with the extremes

663
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: they've got TV shows, you know, the contestants, who can

664
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: who can consume the hottest whatever. We went down that avenue.

665
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: Guy Fieri, who's a friend of mine. Uh, he's been left.

666
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Uh he said yeah. He said, is it milk or

667
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: is it buttermilk? Or is it how do I put

668
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: the fire out? And I said, well, we've we seem

669
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: to have hit the wall on that on that point,

670
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: but I've kind of backed off. I like flavor. I'll

671
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: go with I'll go with flavor. Okay, I see in

672
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: your code people can't see because this is what the

673
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: only you do. Have a little bottle of Tabasco. What's

674
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: your verdict on Tabasco? Very good? It's of the accountable.

675
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: It's in uh where whisker Bomb can be found in

676
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: three hundred stores, but those three hundred stores are only

677
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: in Texas. HP. Tabasco, on the other hand, can be

678
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: found in eighty countries and that's around this planet we

679
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: live on. So Tabasco, Uh, it's I should say, it's

680
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: it's flavorful and it's accountable and with you have to

681
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: be a little judicious, now, don't get me wrong. Uh,

682
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: take it slow and away you go. And how about

683
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: you know they have the Habanero. They have the green

684
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, you even go in there is just your

685
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: basic original red. Yeah, now Habannarrow, that's that's getting up there.

686
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: In fact, just recently, uh um, there was a there's

687
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: a guy. I believe he's uh down on the southern

688
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: part of the East Coast. I believe he's in North

689
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: Carolina or South Carolina. The first it was the Ghost Pepper,

690
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: and the Ghost Pepper had won some evaluation study that

691
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: through the Scoville units, through the ceiling, Scoville units being

692
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: the kind of the go to scale of which you

693
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: base your heat index. But the Ghost Pepper is now

694
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: eclipse the Carolina Reaper. I don't they should make this

695
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: as a as a you can take paint off cars

696
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: with this stuff. I don't know what. Why would you

697
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: put this in a bottle? I don't know. It's it's

698
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: for the extremists and yeah, okay, take it, take it. Okay.

699
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: What might surprise people that you put hot sauce on? Well,

700
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: if you're talking about whisker bomb goes on everything. Um.

701
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was back in Las Vegas. I was

702
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: invited by Jay and Michelle Naylor, my friends from Palm Springs.

703
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: They owned the uh famous contemporary art gallery right on

704
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: the main drag. But they also uh commute over to

705
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and they extended this particular evenings invitation to

706
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: include a speech by the former mayor of Las Vegas,

707
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: Mayor Oscar Goodman. A lot of folks will relate to

708
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: Mayor Oscar Goodman. The name rings true. He he made

709
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: an appearance as himself in the film Casino. Uh. Yeah,

710
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: he was the representative attorney. Talk about a guy in

711
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: real life that's unfiltered. Uh. He gives occasional talks uh

712
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. He has selected uh the setting for

713
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: these informal talks at a place called Oscars. Not that

714
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: the food is uh all that uh memorable. I think

715
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: he selected that place because it's got his first name

716
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: in the name of the restaurant. It's a it's a

717
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: good combination. The food is absolutely wonderful. But Mayor Oscar

718
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: Goodman served all three legal terms, and when he was

719
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: forced to step down, his popularity was such that they

720
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: voted his wife. Caroline Goodman, is now the mayor of

721
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: the current Mayor of Las Vegas is Mayor Oscar Goodman's wife.

722
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: But during the during the speeds. This was just last

723
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: week I happened to be. Fortunately I was able to

724
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: accept the invitation, and they served a delightful menu, and

725
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: fortunately I had both Tabasco and Whisker Bomb in the pocket. Uh.

726
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: They had a braised grilled halibut as the main course.

727
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: And when I say grilled, it was served on a

728
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: was served on a plate with these delightful darkened and

729
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: deep grill marks, and it created just enough trough to

730
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: catch the hot sauce. So with with with everybody, you

731
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: got a little bit of spice. Its good. That's how

732
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: do you know everybody? Oh? Man? Uh? Well you know? Uh? Um,

733
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: let's see. You and I met years ago when you

734
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: and I were doing Monster Radio together at the Peterson

735
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Auto Museum. You know you have the best memory of

736
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: any musician I've encountered. Yes, well, uh, those being such

737
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: memorable days, the recollections are stalwart. Um. In fact, now

738
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: that the door seemed to be reopening, anybody with automotive

739
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: leanings can visit the Peterson Auto Museum, a great spot

740
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: to spend half a day or a full day. But

741
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: I've gotten to know so many folks through traveling for

742
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: five decades now and Uh, it's really been a reward

743
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: as I as I spoke earlier, and I credit Gilligan's

744
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: back in the discussion here. She's a real go getter.

745
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: And and uh, just the discovery of doing that, stepping

746
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: outside the tour bus to get in a van, to

747
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: go in the center of some town, to see foreign

748
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: languages in different colors in a grocery. It's an eye opener.

749
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: And it doesn't stop there because on the way back,

750
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: you're making your way through you're snaking through a residential

751
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: area here, and you're getting through the back alleys of

752
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: these of towns, and you get to not only if

753
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: you see things, but you get to meet some very

754
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: interesting folks along the way. So yeah, I really enjoy it.

755
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: My hands out there. Who is the im trying to

756
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: put the right away? Who have you met? Who you

757
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: were starstruck and said, Wow, I can't believe I'm meeting

758
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: this person. If anybody, yeah, I can tell you right up.

759
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: Nineteen two, cz Top got hired uh travel to Hawaii

760
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: to perform alongside the Rolling Stones for three glorious shows

761
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: at the h I C. It was a Saturday night

762
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: show a Friday. No I'm sorry a Friday night opening show,

763
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: a Saturday afternoon matinee, and a Saturday night and as

764
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: luck would have it, we were all sharing a five

765
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: day advance as before the performance that was set up

766
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: by gosh uh uh the promoter made sure that not

767
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: only were we coming to do the show, he wanted

768
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: to give us five days to make sure we were

769
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: there and getting to meet the Rolling Stones, particularly Keith Richards,

770
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: who I admired as Uh, you know, the real mover

771
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: and Shaker, I said, T was there, he is. There's

772
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: the guys. So and to this day we've we've remained pals.

773
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: That's that's a good start, which has lasted five decades. Okay.

774
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: You know, when you're coming up as a musician, it's

775
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: all about networking. That's a lot of people don't realize that.

776
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: But frequently when a band becomes very successful, like zz Top,

777
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: it kind of becomes more isolated and you're so busy

778
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: in your own lane you don't know what else is

779
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: going on. But you seem to always be playing with

780
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: different us Issuanes, meeting different people. You know, is that

781
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: just your nature? How did that come to be? Yes? Uh,

782
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: as as pointed out uh quite stridently, actually a matter

783
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: of fact, the documentary accounting for these five decades of

784
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: zz top UH it's called the Little Old Band from Texas. UH.

785
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: The director was not shy and pointing out that actually

786
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: a near fourth member was the fearless manager who kept

787
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: the three guys in check, UH, which is a tip

788
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: of the hat to a guy to take some rambunctious

789
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: teenagers and figuring out how to keep it together. But

790
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: for the longest time we were restricted. There was a

791
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: hard core rule. We were not allowed to jam session,

792
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: we were not allowed to guests appear. It was UH.

793
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: It was like Elvis, if Elvis, if Elvis was a trio,

794
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: it would be easy tough. It was. It was tight.

795
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: But then things loosened up and UH I found a

796
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: great reward and kind of expanding the sonic horizons by

797
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: working with so many great artists and talents within a

798
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of different fields. The one that seems to be

799
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: still on the radar with the release of Hardware. This

800
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: last this most recent solo album, the song Desert High

801
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: was the final composition, and we were sitting around thanking, gosh,

802
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: we've been stuck out here in the middle of nowhere forever. UH.

803
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this mysterious place, Joshua Tree. It's it's

804
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: quite well known. It's a big tourist draw. It's it's

805
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: you can read eat about the desert. You can even

806
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: study photograph tomes by the dozens of pictures of the desert.

807
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: But until you're there, uh, you don't really understand what

808
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: people say when they when they speak of this mystique.

809
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: And at the same time, upon arrival you feel it.

810
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Whether or not words are adequate to describe it remains

811
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: to be seen. But we we were sitting around and said, okay,

812
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: grab your pencil. Uh, we're pretty much wrapped up on

813
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: this record. Why don't we throw some thoughts together and

814
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,439
Speaker 1: see what comes up. Let's talk about what it's been

815
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: like hanging out and living in the desert. And we

816
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: we shuffled the papers and uh we collated back into

817
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: this one sheet and the engineer said, hey man, he said,

818
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: we got this one music track left over. I said, oh, yeah,

819
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: the one that's it's the theme song for a cowboy movie.

820
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: It's the song we don't know what to do with.

821
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: He said yeah, he said, go see if these words

822
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: will fit. I said, well, I have no melody in mind.

823
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: I have no clue where we where we'd go. So

824
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: I I stood in front of the microphone and wound

825
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: up just as a measure to see if it if

826
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: it would fit within this uh two and a half

827
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: three minutes, I simply recited the lines, and lo and

828
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: behold the engineers were came in waving their hands. They said,

829
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: you got it, you got it. I said, yeah, but

830
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm I was I was speaking, I was not singing.

831
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: They said, no, it's it's it's a great message. I

832
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: think that you've wrapped it up. And at the same time,

833
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: upon playback, uh, it brought an immediate the immediacy was

834
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: right in front of me. Thinking at any moment, I

835
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: I anticipated seeing Tom Wait's step out of the shadows

836
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: with his finger pointing, Okay, you're getting close, You're getting close.

837
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: But having said that, Thomas one gifted artist that I've

838
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: held great admiration towards for quite some time. Who perhaps

839
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: one day the invitation might arrive to add that to

840
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: the list of ways to get it out. It would

841
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: be a would be a great thing. Okay. Needless to say,

842
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: one is very different from the seventies and the eighties.

843
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: Seventies you know you radio there multiple stations, everybody listens.

844
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: Eighties was MTV the world's radio station. You had ultra

845
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: successful tracks on that. But now it's it's hard for

846
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: anybody to get traction. As a result of having a name,

847
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: you get more traction other people. To what degree does

848
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: that disincentivize you from making new music irrelevant of the quality,

849
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: it's very hard to spread the word. Does that even

850
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: come into the equation? Well, there's uh, there's there's a

851
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: number of factors that that exists that haven't been antagonized

852
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: by the radical changes. As you point out from the

853
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: seventies to the present time, it seems fair to say

854
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: that there's there's one element within the human condition. We

855
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: all want to be entertained somehow. We we've got the

856
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: joker gene. You know, we all want out. We all

857
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: want out of ourselves in some manner, and entertainment is

858
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: just that glorious moment when you can call it escapism,

859
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: you can call it a reward for whatever reason that

860
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: seems to be unchanged. It is the one thing that

861
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: underlies Um. I'm a motivational energy and I see a

862
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys got yeah, man, he said, I sure

863
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: would like to make a record, but it's so difficult

864
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: to get it out there. On the other hand, I

865
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: was speaking with a gentleman and I was quite flattered

866
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: because he was bragging on this new album hardware, and

867
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: he said, folks, go out and pick up the new

868
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: Billy F. Gibbons record wherever you get your music. And

869
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: I thought, gee whiz, that's a phrase. That's there's it

870
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: used to go to the record store and buy it,

871
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: but now it's wherever you get your music. And it's

872
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: coming from seemingly all angles. There's probably one behind us

873
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: that we can't see yet. It's ready to pounce. But

874
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: on that note, I I encourage just about anyone that

875
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: has the desire to get out. Uh. And I said,

876
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: there's a few elements we've mentioned entertainment. UH. Slowly but

877
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: surely as things begin to thought out, let's not leave.

878
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: Let's not ignore the value of travel. And travel allows

879
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: you to It allows you to expand more. I Q

880
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: is not based on what you can pick up from

881
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: simple book learning. Travel includes the aromatic experience. You're all

882
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: factory senses are going wild. The sun shines differently in

883
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: the west than it does in the east. Uh, it's

884
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a real brain teaser, but it's also a brain opener.

885
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: Mind expansion is there for the taking. And I encourage

886
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: anybody to add travel to I gotta go do this,

887
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: and in so doing, uh, it adds to the creation

888
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: or the creative process. And if you really want to

889
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: entertain somebody, dig down deep and find that special moment

890
01:02:51,880 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: where creativeness uh is allowed to flourish. It's as you

891
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: point out, yes, it is difficult today. There's so many

892
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: didn't somebody say that YouTube ads a million videos per

893
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: day and Spotify is adding a million tracks per day.

894
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot of stuff. It's really a

895
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But keep getting their swinging. So what's

896
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: the last thing? Oh, the adult chores, the leaden chores

897
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: of adulthood. Practice practice, practice, You got? Okay, let's go

898
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: back to travel. Where were the most inspirational exciting places

899
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: that you've been and where have you not been that

900
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: you'd like to go? Um? I actually made it down

901
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: to Antarctica once about years ago. Uh. I had a buddy,

902
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: he was a pilot and he said, uh uh he

903
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: said yeah, he said, man, I'd like to hang out.

904
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: He said, I gotta I got a job. I gotta

905
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: go down to Tierra del Fuego, said, Tierra del Fuego,

906
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: that's the last point of that's the last point of earth.

907
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: He goes, no Antarctica. He said, I'll be going there

908
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: as well. I said, well, count me in. And I

909
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't realize he was running drugs. But I got on

910
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: the plane and you know, I saw the glaciers breaking

911
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: off and splashing into the well. That was greaty Okay,

912
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: that's that's for another story. But traveling, there's still a

913
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: few places that this. Not all stones have been overturned

914
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: just yet. Uh. We were talking about blues and someone said, yeah, blues. Yeah,

915
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: where did it come from? I said, well, there's a

916
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: couple of great books. Uh. One called Savannah Syncopeters. It

917
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: was published back in the seventies early seventies as part

918
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: of the studio This a paperback series by the great

919
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: English musicologist Paul Oliver. And this one particular work called

920
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: Savannah Syncopaters. The subtitle was African Retentions in the Blues.

921
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: And it's quite it's quite possible to detect melodies from

922
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: the Yoruba tribe which are still being sung today. You

923
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: find it in early Charlie Patton records back from the

924
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: thirties and you see gis blues. Okay, yeah, so what's

925
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: that got to do with travel? Well, at one point

926
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: blues was in this country. Was probably heard first around

927
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: Mississippi and then it started spreading around. But now you

928
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: can go to there's a blues festival in India. You

929
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: go to Mumbai and you find a blues festival. Uh.

930
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: And I've actually gone to India to play a blues festival.

931
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: So uh, there are places. Um, well, let's go back

932
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, you can find blues just about anywhere

933
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: you want to go. Uh, where do you want to go?

934
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: Go to? Where? Uh? Just throw a dart at the

935
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:22,479
Speaker 1: map and and take off running, uh and bring back

936
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: the values to throw into that creative process and be

937
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: sure that you sure that those energies come out as entertaining.

938
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Brilliant. Okay. The room you're sitting

939
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: in which is not well furnished from my angle, but

940
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: I see like seven guitars. Are you a gearhead? Definitely?

941
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: Definitely so uh. In fact, I'm sitting with Mr Miguel

942
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tiny Flowers Fiorentino. Um he engineered hardware, along with

943
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: some other hit records coming out of Los Angeles, Nashville,

944
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: around the planet, Mike, if you'll hand me, Uh yeah, right,

945
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: but right. I was able to abscond from the studio

946
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: out in the desert with that that famous Fender guitar

947
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: that started the first really West Coast junkie. Yeah, it's

948
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: a Fender Jaguar. You know that used to be the

949
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: big guitar the early sixties beach boys. And then everybody

950
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: started playing. Uh because I had three pickups and everybody

951
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: started playing this stratocaster. Oh definitely so uh. We we

952
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: also have here the the Fender reverb tank. God, what

953
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: year is that one one of the first years. Uh,

954
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: that came out of the studio. You know, if you

955
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: want to make surf music, go to the sixties. But

956
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: that African piece on the show, Uh, we're we're surrounded

957
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: with guitars. Someone said, how how did you get into that?

958
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: Why this African thing? Get that hat that you're famous for.

959
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: You're constantly showing up with a footstool or a spear

960
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: or a shield or what. Uh, here's a nice APPENDI

961
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: this is a little a doll. Uh. Uh. The the

962
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: the the interesting aspect for me and the connection to

963
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: African art. I consider the blues having read this great

964
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: book by Paul Oliver, African Retentions in the Blues. If

965
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna go back to the square one, let's go

966
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: all the way back. And I felt like if I

967
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: put a statue an African carving in the doorway, if

968
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: you had to kind of sidestep around it, maybe you'll

969
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: get the message, Oh yeah, we gotta we gotta become

970
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: Jimmy Reid today. Turn it around you, you gotta become

971
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: Albert King the next day. If you're many guitars, do

972
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: you own? Uh? Didn't we use this phrase early ones?

973
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: Too many? And a hunter day? Enough? Okay, what's your

974
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: go to guitar? Pearly Gates? Pearly Gates. The nineteen fifty

975
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:34,520
Speaker 1: nine less Paul sunburst um, I think, initially made popular

976
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: long after the instrument had ceased being produced by Gibson. However,

977
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: with the release of John Mayle's record John Maylan the

978
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: Blues Breakers featuring Eric Clapton, if you'll turn to the

979
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: backside of the album cover, you see Clapton playing a

980
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: sunburst less Paul, and right behind that is a little

981
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: bit out of focus, but you and detect a martial amplifier.

982
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: So that became and to this day it's still a

983
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: go to combination. It's a winning combination. There's a lot

984
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: of stuff out there. The new magnetone amplifiers will get

985
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: you there. Um gosh, if you're lucky to you know,

986
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: stroll by a pawn shop, don't don't forget to look

987
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: in the window. You might find that next quality thing.

988
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, if if you ask me, I'd say Pearly Gates,

989
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty nine less Paula does it for me. Now.

990
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: Usually people are either a Gibson or a Fender person,

991
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: and you have both, and they're different. Give me your take,

992
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: they're very different. Um Uh. Dusty Hill, my fearless bass player,

993
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: and his older brother, Rocky Hill. Rocky came to me

994
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: and he said, uh, do you think I should go

995
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: to the tattoo shop? I said it, Well, I'm not

996
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: so sure. Uh, you play Gibson guitars. I know you

997
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: talked about having a tattoo of Gibson. He said, no,

998
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: I got two arms, Fender on one, Gibson on the

999
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: other on Uh what about two? You play gretch? Well,

1000
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: I got the back of the neck. Come on, man, yeah,

1001
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: I've been I've been lucky enough to play them all

1002
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: that there's something good in all of it. Okay, other

1003
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: than yourself greatest rock gutarist of all time? She was,

1004
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: There's so many I've made. I've made an interesting recent

1005
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: discovery and had the rewarding opportunity to befriend a picker

1006
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: out of Nashville as an Alabama guy that has made

1007
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: great strides uh throughout the session world playing some of

1008
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: the most awesome, ridiculously fast chicken picking. Uh. And he's

1009
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: got the greatest name his he goes, but his real

1010
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: name is gut three Trap. Gut three Trap. If if

1011
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to tune into YouTube, just type

1012
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: in gut three trap chicken picking and in ninety seconds

1013
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: you'll be willing to throw your guitar away. He's one

1014
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: of those guys. He's just he's just out there. In fact,

1015
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: I recently made an appearance within the last month at

1016
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: the Grand Ole Opry, and the organizer of the event

1017
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: had invited some stalwart performers. Brad Paisley showed up, Eric

1018
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: Church showed up, Lucinda Williams came around. It's it was

1019
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: just a stellar evening. And at the last minute the

1020
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: organizers said, is there anybody that you would like to

1021
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: see added to the lineup? And I said, I have

1022
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: made discovery of the fellow named Guthrie Trap. And he said,

1023
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: oh gosh, yes, we know. Guthrie Um a brilliant player. Um.

1024
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself colliding? You know he's he's Uh,

1025
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: You're the rock and blues guy and he's the country guy.

1026
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: That might make for an interesting combination. I said, he's

1027
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: so good, I'm going to after standards. I'm only going

1028
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: to be able to play the snare drum, which I did.

1029
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: I said, folks, that's the reason I'm going to give

1030
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: up guitar. Now, great guy, Guthrie Trap. You've also worked

1031
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: with Jeff Beck. What was that like? Oh? Man, words

1032
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: failed me. Um. I met Jeff when I was probably eighteen,

1033
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: and I've been a stalwart follower of what he's managed

1034
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: to uncover. I I talked about Jeff uh in hushed

1035
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: tone wounds Uh for a number of reasons. Uh. He

1036
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: plays just whatever he can dream up, and he leaves

1037
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: most of us scratching our heads wondering how he did it. Um.

1038
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: And if I can brag just for a moment back

1039
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: in sixty eight with the moving sidewalks we got we

1040
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 1: got to team up with the Jimmy Hendrix Experience, which

1041
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: was a new act just coming back from the UK,

1042
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: and uh I wound up being assigned a room at

1043
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: the end of the hallway at these hotels. Jimmy was

1044
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: on the left, I was on the right, and vice versa.

1045
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,919
Speaker 1: But I, uh, I would see the two equipment guys

1046
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: hauling in this piece of furniture. It was. It was

1047
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 1: a record player, but it was one of those giant

1048
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, home and they didn't even call I don't

1049
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: know what they called it. It was. It was the

1050
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: size of a buick. And they loaded into the room

1051
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 1: and he motioned the doors were always open. He motioned

1052
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: he'd sent me a signal, okay, come on, come on over,

1053
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: and sure enough I've walked in. And the first thing

1054
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: he said, how do you think he's doing that? Well,

1055
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: he was playing Jeff Beck's Truth, the first Jeff Beck

1056
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: Group record. I was My mind was blown and I said,

1057
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: well wow, I said Jimmy, I said, this may come

1058
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: as news to you, but he's probably playing your records

1059
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: thinking the same how does this guy do that? As

1060
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: you know, as everybody knows. Uh, Jimmy's preferred go to

1061
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: guitar was usually the Fender Stratocaster, and I can probably

1062
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: guarantee the inventors of that instrument never had an idea

1063
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: of what he would end up doing with it. It's

1064
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 1: just amazing, remarkable stuff. Okay. You also share an interest

1065
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: with car of Cards with Jeff. Jeff Beck is an

1066
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: actual tinker tinkerer. He actually works on the cars. How

1067
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: do your interest in cars alive? Yeah? I go see uh,

1068
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: um our buddy, not too far from where you and

1069
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: I reside. We take I have discovered the train from

1070
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: downtown Los Angeles. You go to Union Station, pick up

1071
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: the train down to the past Fullerton exit to the

1072
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: next top Anaheim and in the shadows is Jimmy Shine,

1073
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Shine speed Shop. Uh. In fact, I just

1074
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: appeared with Mr Jimmy Shine along with the Jay Leno

1075
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: at Jay Leno's garage and we had a big laugh. Uh.

1076
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: Jay said hey, he said, uh, could we see the

1077
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: new hot rod, the new BFG hot rod. It's on

1078
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: the cover of your record hardware. I said, sure, I said,

1079
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: but but it's not quite finished. Me and Mr Shine

1080
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: are still putting some finishing touches on it. And he said, oh,

1081
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: he said, uh, do you work on them? And I said, well, Uh,

1082
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,839
Speaker 1: with this beard, I'm only allowed to be handed a wrench.

1083
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: Jimmy holds the torch. I can't get close. So so

1084
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: but we still dig it. Man. Uh. For some reason, gush.

1085
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: It goes back to the first what they call the

1086
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: first rocking rock and roll record, Jackie Brinston's Rocket. And

1087
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: somehow cars, guitars rock and roll. Uh, don't leave out

1088
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: pretty girls. There's food in there as well. But there's

1089
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: these elements that seemed to coalesce and nobody seems to

1090
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: know why. But I don't know. I've seen Jay driving

1091
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: his cars on the freeway, you know car. So in

1092
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: your particular case, these hot rids went in. Where do

1093
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: you drive them? I can get out on the It's

1094
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: like owning a lot of guitars. As long as you

1095
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: keep them tuned up and put them into service. Uh,

1096
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: they stay viable. And as you point out, Jay is

1097
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: not shy about getting on the freeway, getting on the

1098
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: back roads. Uh. With as many four wheeled crazy things

1099
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: that he's got, they they all. Uh, they all see

1100
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: the light of day. He's got this one electric car

1101
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: that was built in nineteen fourteen, the name of which

1102
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: escapes to me. But the cabin is round and the

1103
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: windshield wraps around like a fish bowl. It's it's glorious.

1104
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: And he's got a foot pedal that rings a bell too.

1105
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: Because it's as an electric car, it's quiet. You can't

1106
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 1: hear it coming. And he only takes it out at Christmas.

1107
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: He goes down and uh, he's actually uh, he's given

1108
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: Gilligan a riot. She got to take it around the

1109
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: walk with Jay ringing the bell, of course. But yeah,

1110
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: go ouat and get another guitar and make sure you

1111
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: play it. Uh, get another guitar, make sure you drive it,

1112
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: have a good So the English rock stars they were

1113
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: all buying, asked in Martin's Lamborghinis ferraris you tend to

1114
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: the American hot rod Spirit thirties and forties, etcetera? Do

1115
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: you have any of the Italian hardware, any of the

1116
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: modern stuff tesla, etcetera. Not yet. Uh. I have left

1117
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: that to my two partners back at the ZZ top

1118
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: uh camp. Uh, Frank and Dusty both laned Italiano. I

1119
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: got stuck in nineteen thirty two with the road with

1120
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: the Deuce coupe, and it doesn't seem to have melted

1121
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: down just just yet. Um. I don't know. There's so

1122
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: many interesting ways to look at it. Uh. The car

1123
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: culture has kind of driven the great Old U s

1124
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: A for so long, and it doesn't seem to be

1125
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: giving up. Although I just recently I learned that the

1126
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: registration for new driver's licenses has plummeted. It's uh, it's

1127
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: on the way out. Um. And to be quite honest,

1128
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: as I mentioned having discovered the the train down to

1129
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 1: to Orange County, Uh, well, how do you get to

1130
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: Union Station that's downtown, I said, take a lift or uber?

1131
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh you don't drive? I said, well sometimes, yeah, it's

1132
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: getting It's a different world, just like music. Well, the

1133
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: other thing is, you remember the sixties and seventies. One

1134
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: thing you did forget the Sunday drive. See I'm gonna

1135
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: get in my car. I'm gonna drive cross country. I've

1136
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: never heard of a kid talking about drive cross country anymore.

1137
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna get kissasette'. I'mna listening to the ADEO.

1138
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, see the look through the windshield, big sky

1139
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: Country to go. Yeah. Earlier I mentioned having uh joined

1140
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: Jay Naylor and his wife Michelle ms Hell if she

1141
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: likes to be called too to hear the speeches with

1142
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 1: Mayor Goodman and our good friends from the Las Vegas

1143
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: Review Journal, Mr John Katz. He recently announced he was

1144
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: going back to collect his high school car he is,

1145
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: which was a sixty seven Marquarie Cougar. Meant looks like

1146
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: it just was still sitting on the showroom floor, but

1147
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:46,759
Speaker 1: he was. He was out to get into his sixty

1148
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: seven to drive on Root sixty six because he's now

1149
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: turned sixty. I said, Okay, there's whatever reason you need

1150
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: right exactly. Let's go back to the blue for a minute.

1151
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: So two blues records for the uninitiated to start with, Wow, Um,

1152
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: I'll I'll dredge up. Not only the favorite artist, that

1153
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: being Jimmy Reid. The favorite track is Honey Don't Let

1154
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 1: Me Go. It's got it all. He's singing great. Uh.

1155
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: He plays with the drummer and his sidekick Eddie Taylor. Uh,

1156
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: and he blows that harmonica and just the right form.

1157
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: It seems to me. Uh. When I get up in

1158
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: the morning, somebody thought I was out of my mind.

1159
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: I had some Doc Martin boots and he said, why

1160
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: are you putting air phones around those shoes? I said,

1161
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: because I gotta play Jimmy Reid. I gotta walk in

1162
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 1: these shoes later, Jimmy's gonna help me get down the road.

1163
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: It's it's that much of a sickness. It's an obsession.

1164
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: Uh So, I guess. I mean if it were, if

1165
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: it were boiled down to one, it would it would

1166
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: certainly come back to Jimmy Reed. And how about from

1167
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,480
Speaker 1: the rock blues era, starting with you know, Fleetwood, Mac, etcetera.

1168
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: From there on, what record would you say to listen to, um,

1169
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: there's one coming well? Uh, I would say the British

1170
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: blues guitar greats that rescued this great American art form

1171
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: we call the blues. They, when I say rescued it.

1172
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: It was seemingly on its way out. It was evaporating

1173
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: until the British embraced it. And you had, uh, you know,

1174
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: the the long list. Uh. And we can start with

1175
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: the tried and true gang of guys Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck,

1176
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page, Peter Green, Mick Abrams from Bloodwind Pig. I

1177
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: think Mick was with Jeff Hotel. Uh it stretched far

1178
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: and wide, Richard Thompson, who of course was more of

1179
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: a folk guy, Fairport convention guy. But so much uh

1180
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: could have been lost had it not been for the

1181
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: rescue of by the British. Of course, give the British

1182
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: a subject and they will, they will study it and

1183
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 1: take it down to the genetics. I mean, they got

1184
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: the d NA, they'll take it down to the d N. A. Okay,

1185
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: my favorite ZZ top song, you know, I'm bad, I'm nicheanwide?

1186
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: How did that come together? I was in Austin, Texas

1187
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: going to the Vulcan Gas Company, which was it was

1188
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of a destination. It was a music venue that

1189
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: always had somebody of interest playing um nightly. And this

1190
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: was way way back. And on this particular evening, my

1191
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: buddy Billy Clayton he uh announced that he had intentions

1192
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: to go see freddie King. I said, oh my gosh,

1193
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: how could I have overlooked freddie King tonight? He said, yeah,

1194
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: he's down the street. He's at the balk And Gas Company.

1195
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: So the two of us, sure enough, we uh we

1196
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,759
Speaker 1: showed up and stayed for the last the last note

1197
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: and Freddie was on fire that particular night, and we

1198
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: we tiptoed back, crossed over the parking lot and got

1199
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: in the car and we just sat there. We didn't

1200
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: say much, We didn't say anything. And Billy Clayton, Uh,

1201
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: he cracked the code. He said, Man, Freddie King. I said, yeah,

1202
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: he's bad. And Billy looked at me, said and nationwide.

1203
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: At that moment, it just made so much sense that

1204
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: never left. And and Uh I shared that very story

1205
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: with Frank and Dusty and they said, okay, there's we

1206
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: were looking for a way to get into a song.

1207
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can get out of it. But

1208
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: it's one of our favor We still play it, still

1209
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: play it another one Jesus left Chicago. Don Fox says

1210
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: it's about him, is it? Oh? Man, he'll take He'll

1211
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: take credit for just about anything you throw at him. Uh,

1212
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 1: Don Fox. Uh, you know he was first in line

1213
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: to pick up and support zz Top as a promoter.

1214
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: He dragged us out of Texas straight over to New

1215
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: Orleans where he was running the Great Venue the Warehouse.

1216
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: And uh about this time, um, I was just speaking

1217
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: about uh, the coupling of waiting on the bus that

1218
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:57,839
Speaker 1: leads in right. Uh, segways directly into Jesus Just Left Chicago,

1219
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: which was an engineering accident. Uh. Terry Manning, who was

1220
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: later working on that, he he took the back in

1221
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: the day of Razor blading a piece of ascitate. Uh.

1222
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: He made a mistake, but when he when he realized

1223
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: the two songs were back to back, Uh, we we

1224
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 1: kind of liked it, and to this day we can't

1225
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: play one without the other. Jesus Just Left Chicago. But

1226
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: we were talking about that song and it took us

1227
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: back to zez Tups first album and I thought, gee

1228
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: was I said, we had finished the recordings and then

1229
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 1: it came time, what are we going to call this record?

1230
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: We're kind of we kind of like the record. What

1231
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: are we gonna call it? And I said maybe we

1232
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 1: should call it zz Tops first album And they said

1233
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of pretentious, edn't it? I said, yeah, but

1234
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna light the fuse to make sure we get

1235
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: to do another one. So I'm not knowe Billy, We're

1236
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to you this again because there's some of

1237
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: this whole zz Top history we didn't get into want

1238
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: to get more into Texas, but we'd have a four

1239
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: hour conversation, but I definitely want to continue with those subjects.

1240
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: You're quite the rack and tour. Thanks so much for

1241
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: showing up, Bob. It's such a pleasure. And uh, you know,

1242
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,759
Speaker 1: just recently you did a great thing with Joel Selvyn

1243
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: talking about Hollywood Eden his great book. Uh it brings

1244
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: me back to the West coast having been stuck in

1245
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. I'm ready to go back home and uh,

1246
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: I guess uh, I'll come knock it on your door.

1247
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 1: And yes, indeed we'll pick it up where we left off.

1248
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: We'll pick up sticks and lay them down. This has

1249
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: been a it's been a real enlivening exchange. Thank you

1250
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: so much. Man, you're just great dealing right until next time.

1251
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: This is Bob left six