Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2: Thursday edition of the Clay Travis en Box Sexton Show
Speaker 2: kicks off right now.
Speaker 1: Much to discuss with all of you.
Speaker 2: Harvard, also known as Havard, some of our bosson night listeners,
Speaker 2: is facing an IRS move under Trump's administration to rescind
Speaker 2: the tax exempt status of this storied university. And this
Speaker 2: is getting a lot of attention from Democrats who realize
Speaker 2: that their cathedral, if you will, which is elite higher education,
Speaker 2: is coming under pressure in a way that they really
Speaker 2: have never before. We also have that I don't think
Speaker 2: we got to the DOJ transgender athlete main story yesterday, Clay, right,
Speaker 2: we had mentioned it, so we want to spend a
Speaker 2: little time on that one today, and it goes to
Speaker 2: the issues of safety concerns and whether there are safety
Speaker 2: concerns for some of the or for young women who
Speaker 2: end up having to compete with these individuals who are
Speaker 2: trans We had a special guest yesterday who appeared in
Speaker 2: the White House to speak out, Patty Morin, whose daughter
Speaker 2: was killed by an illegal alien in Maryland.
Speaker 1: She spoke at the White House and that.
Speaker 2: Will bring you some of her thoughts also, Clay, just
Speaker 2: a little side note because I'll take any excuse to
Speaker 2: throw shade at George Clooney. George Clooney was sitting down
Speaker 2: with CNN to talk about the bravery of writing his
Speaker 2: op ed to finally say that Biden, it is not
Speaker 2: brave when you are caught.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, there is.
Speaker 2: No bravery when your team has already fumbled the ball
Speaker 2: and the other.
Speaker 1: Team is trying to take it into your end zone.
Speaker 2: We shall discuss them a little bit of that first thing, though, Clay,
Speaker 2: I know you are deep on the reading on this one.
Speaker 2: You were going deep down the rabbit hole because new
Speaker 2: information came out while the Maryland Democrat senator was down
Speaker 2: in El Salvador yesterday. There are a lot of memes
Speaker 2: flying around about this that some of you may have
Speaker 2: seen online. But the Maryland senator who went down there
Speaker 2: decided that he was going to make mister Abrago Garcia
Speaker 2: a major concern. This is now the primary method, the
Speaker 2: primary avenue of attack against the Trump administration. I think, Clay,
Speaker 2: we're getting into a place where they have made this
Speaker 2: all about due process and the system, and I think
Speaker 2: there's a strong argument for Trump at this point that
Speaker 2: you can't have an illegal brought back into America for
Speaker 2: the purpose of kicking him out of America. Like there's
Speaker 2: something crazy. There's just something inherently crazy about that. But
Speaker 2: also they're they're martyr in this case, mister Abrago Garcia.
Speaker 2: We have found out this may be a politically forget
Speaker 2: about the legal wrangling. This may be a politically unwise
Speaker 2: choice for Democrats to go all in for the return
Speaker 2: of this alleged MS thirteen gang member.
Speaker 1: I said six months ago when Trump won that I
Speaker 1: thought the resistance to a large extent on a deportation front,
Speaker 1: would come when Democrats found an individual that they believed
Speaker 1: was unjustly deported and tried to use that anecdote as
Speaker 1: a way to attack the entire deportation concept in general.
Speaker 1: And they did, and they picked this Kilmar Garcia guy
Speaker 1: and said, oh my goodness, this is a Maryland dad.
Speaker 1: There's no basis whatsoever to have deported him. He's not
Speaker 1: a gang member, he hasn't done anything wrong. He's a
Speaker 1: loving dad. And evidence keeps coming out that this is
Speaker 1: totally wrong and embarrassing. And after we went off the
Speaker 1: air yesterday, the police reports, which I think we hinted
Speaker 1: were coming of him for being an alleged wife beater
Speaker 1: were released and they're bad. They're bad. Look, domestic violence
Speaker 1: is always difficult for the courts to reconcile because many
Speaker 1: times women end up staying with the man that they
Speaker 1: accuse of domestic abuse. But the detail, the evidence, it's
Speaker 1: pretty awful and it suggests that this guy is a
Speaker 1: wife bear. On top of that, there also was a
Speaker 1: subsequent report from the Tennessee Star that this illegal immigrant
Speaker 1: gang member was pulled over in the state of Tennessee
Speaker 1: with seven different individuals in his car that the State
Speaker 1: of Tennessee police believed was human trafficking, and that they
Speaker 1: then made a call to the FBI in the Biden regime,
Speaker 1: and the Biden regime FBI said let him go. So
Speaker 1: just factually, now, Buck and a lot of this has
Speaker 1: been released. You can go look it up for yourself.
Speaker 1: If somebody on your Facebook page is talking about this
Speaker 1: being a loving Maryland father. This guy was arrested with
Speaker 1: gang members in gang paraphernalia in cash and adjudicated MS
Speaker 1: thirteen gang member per evidence from authorities, is in the
Speaker 1: state of Maryland. A documented wife beater in the state
Speaker 1: of Tennessee. According to the report from the Tennessee Star
Speaker 1: was pulled over and suspected of human trafficking and let
Speaker 1: go by the Biden FBI, and he is he lee
Speaker 1: in the country. All of this is undisputed, factually accurate information.
Speaker 1: And the Democrats decided that this is the hill that
Speaker 1: they will fight on. This is where they need to
Speaker 1: draw the line on who needs to be let back
Speaker 1: in the country, such that one of the forty seven
Speaker 1: Democrat senators traveled to the state of Maryland, sorry from
Speaker 1: the state of Maryland to El Salvador to try and
Speaker 1: argue that that individual needed to be let back into
Speaker 1: the country. I think this buck has blown up in
Speaker 1: their faces. I would expect that you will see an
Speaker 1: attempt to kind of run from this guy and pretend
Speaker 1: that all of this has not happened, because for all
Speaker 1: of it to come out, I can't think of a
Speaker 1: less positive face for the deportation is wrong movement than
Speaker 1: the guy basically that they have picked. And I thought
Speaker 1: the Trump administration yesterday with the mom of the Maryland
Speaker 1: resident sadly who was beaten to death by an illegal
Speaker 1: immigrant I watched yesterday. She was the special guest for
Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt in the White House press briefing room. The
Speaker 1: mom's story was hard to hear, I think for anyone
Speaker 1: out there, but she wanted to share what happened to
Speaker 1: her daughter, and there were no questions afterwards, and they
Speaker 1: walked out. And I think in the Maryland sort of
Speaker 1: juxtaposition between an American citizen being brutally beaten, raped to
Speaker 1: death and what's going on with Maryland senator is just
Speaker 1: awful optics.
Speaker 2: Here's this mother that Clay was just talking about speaking
Speaker 2: yesterday in the White House cut too to.
Speaker 3: Have a senator from Maryland who didn't even acknowledge or
Speaker 3: barely acknowledged my daughter and the brutal death that she endured,
Speaker 3: leaving her five children out a mother and now a
Speaker 3: grand baby without a grandmother, so that he can use
Speaker 3: my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring
Speaker 3: back someone that's not even an American citizen. Why does
Speaker 3: that person have more right than I do, or my
Speaker 3: daughter or my grandchildren.
Speaker 1: I don't understand this play.
Speaker 2: Somehow, the rule of law means that illegals have all
Speaker 2: of these layers upon layers of processes to prevent them
Speaker 2: from being deported but there aren't all these layers and
Speaker 2: layers to prevent them from coming into the country. Those
Speaker 2: laws don't get focused on, don't get talked about by Democrats.
Speaker 2: And also, and I know that this is something that
Speaker 2: Democrats would find very contentious, but I don't care. I
Speaker 2: think it's true. Of course, if you let ten million
Speaker 2: people in the country with no vetting who are illegals,
Speaker 2: you're going to let murderers, rapists, gang members in. It
Speaker 2: was an active choice for them to do this. Biden
Speaker 2: and his cronies and his handlers, and the Democrat leadership
Speaker 2: and the machinery around it decided to let in these people.
Speaker 2: There's no question about this because now it's down ninety
Speaker 2: five percent, okay, And it didn't take long, so that.
Speaker 1: Means it was a choice.
Speaker 2: So they decided to let people in, and that decision
Speaker 2: led to dangerous illegals. I know it's a small percentage
Speaker 2: of the overall illegals who came into the country, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. None of them are supposed to be here
Speaker 2: under the law. Dangerous illegals, which resulted in things like
Speaker 2: Lake and Riley's rape and murder, which resulted in things
Speaker 2: like Patty Morin's daughter being killed, and the government now
Speaker 2: gets all over the Democrats, I should say, get all
Speaker 2: haughty about the due process rights of non Americans. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think people have just realized, no, we're not doing
Speaker 2: this thing anymore. We don't do this thing where there
Speaker 2: are all these special rights for illegals, but Americans are
Speaker 2: told too hard to enforce the law. We're a nation
Speaker 2: of immigrants, so all these illegals have special privileges.
Speaker 1: I mean, a question for anybody out there listening right now,
Speaker 1: is there we have millions of people listening. Is there
Speaker 1: a single person who thinks this guy should be brought
Speaker 1: back into the country. You can call us. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear the argument for why a
Speaker 1: wife beating gang member that the state of Tennessee believed
Speaker 1: was engaged in illegal human trafficking when he was pulled
Speaker 1: over a couple of years ago, illegally in this country,
Speaker 1: why should he be brought back in the country. Why
Speaker 1: should he have been here in the first place an
Speaker 1: open form, he'll say, oh, you know, you don't hear
Speaker 1: both sides of an argument. Sometimes you get that, okay,
Speaker 1: why should this guy be brought back into the country?
Speaker 1: Is there a single person out there listening to us
Speaker 1: biggest radio show in the country that's on air right now,
Speaker 1: Is there a single one of you that believes that
Speaker 1: this guy should be brought buck? I think this is
Speaker 1: a ninety ten issue. I think there are ten percent
Speaker 1: of Democrats, let's say, who legitimately believe there should be
Speaker 1: no borders basically anywhere in the world that would say, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy should be brought back. I think it's a
Speaker 1: ninety ten issue right now. Even in Maryland, which is
Speaker 1: a very blue state. You know who hasn't really spoken
Speaker 1: up very much about this. Wes Moore, the governor. I
Speaker 1: think he sees this politically, and he says, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Why would I put my legitimacy as the governor of
Speaker 1: the citizens of Maryland on the line over a wife
Speaker 1: beating gang member from Al Salvador who is illegally here
Speaker 1: and may well have been involved in human trafficking based
Speaker 1: on getting pulled over per a Tennessee police report. Why
Speaker 1: should that guy be here? I mean, I can ask again, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what the argument is.
Speaker 2: I also would say wire Democrats clearly more mobilized and
Speaker 2: outraged over this situation than over anything that has happened
Speaker 2: to an American at the hands of an illegal alien
Speaker 2: criminal over the last four years.
Speaker 1: Nothing even comes close.
Speaker 2: So it's not like we're just picking two random things
Speaker 2: and all, well, it's a busy world and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things they can focus on. There is not
Speaker 2: a single instance of Democrats deciding that they are going
Speaker 2: to mobilize and make an ish, make a national issue
Speaker 2: of anyone who has been raped, murdered, carjacked, assaulted by
Speaker 2: I don't just mean an illegal in this generic sense
Speaker 2: of well, there's a lot of illegals, Clay illegals who
Speaker 2: have already had deportation orders, who have already been arrested,
Speaker 2: who have had sanctuary cities decide they weren't going to
Speaker 2: share information with the Feds. Who have The Democrats have
Speaker 2: been complicit in all of this. Yeah, they are openly
Speaker 2: complicit in this violation of sovereignty, this violation of law,
Speaker 2: and now they want to lecture us on the law man.
Speaker 2: The only things I want to say to them I
Speaker 2: can't say on the radio without getting a fine. Honestly,
Speaker 2: that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: I will just point out something that I said yesterday
Speaker 1: who you choose to be the avatar of your policy
Speaker 1: matter is a great deal, and they have chosen poorly.
Speaker 1: In the words of the last Crusade Indiana Jones, right,
Speaker 1: they have chosen a very poor individual to be the
Speaker 1: stand in for why Trump's deportation orders are cruel and
Speaker 1: unnecessary and unfair and potentially illegal. The United States public
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly says, a wife beating illegal immigrant, human trafficker, potentially
Speaker 1: who is who is not supposed to be here gang
Speaker 1: member of MS thirteen, This guy needs to go. I
Speaker 1: think they chose really poorly. I just really do. I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 2: I thought the Democrats would at least play along a
Speaker 2: bit with the we're going to deport the illegal criminal
Speaker 2: MS thirteen types, But what about the dreamers? I thought
Speaker 2: that was the pivot. You know, what about the hard
Speaker 2: working Yeah, so and so and so and so who
Speaker 2: are No, they're actually this is the hill they want
Speaker 2: to fight on, and that is the critical point, Clay.
Speaker 2: They don't want to deport anyone. The Democrat Party's actual
Speaker 2: emotional position on this is they all should stay. And
Speaker 2: I don't just mean the ones who we all know,
Speaker 2: people that work hard, who are in the country illegally,
Speaker 2: and you know that, it gets to be a more
Speaker 2: interesting conversation. I still think if you're illegally you should
Speaker 2: have to go home to your home country. But they
Speaker 2: think that the gang members also should stay. This is
Speaker 2: like they're in the fabric of America.
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Speaker 1: The newest Focus MS thirteen Gang member Deported. We'll take
Speaker 1: a couple of your calls eight hundred and two A
Speaker 1: two two eight A two if anybody out there wants
Speaker 1: to defend it. But I did think this was in
Speaker 1: I said, I think this is a ninety ten issue,
Speaker 1: and I think this is going to blow up in
Speaker 1: the Maryland Senator's face. And Harry Inton over at CNN said,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this yet, Buck, Most
Speaker 1: Americans support deporting all illegal immigrants. Now, this is a
Speaker 1: profound shift from when Trump first entered office, and certainly
Speaker 1: I think it's a function of wherever you live. The
Speaker 1: ten million plus illegal immigrants who entered during Biden's term
Speaker 1: in office have changed the overall perspective on Americans when
Speaker 1: it comes on how to deal with illegal immigrants. Play
Speaker 1: cut one from CNN this morning to.
Speaker 6: Port all undocumented immigrants. Voters favoring the government trying to
Speaker 6: deport all eleven million of them. Back in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 6: just thirty eight percent of voters wanted the government that
Speaker 6: to try to deport all eleven million undocumented immigrants.
Speaker 1: Compared to where we are in twenty.
Speaker 6: Twenty five, fifty six percent, the majority the America can
Speaker 6: people have come a long way on this issue, much
Speaker 6: closer to Donald Trump, and I think that's a big
Speaker 6: part of the reason why Americans are increasingly saying the
Speaker 6: country is on the right track when it comes to
Speaker 6: immigration policy, and why Donald Trump's not approval rating on
Speaker 6: that issue is in the positive.
Speaker 1: Okay, fifty six percent want all illegal immigrants sent back
Speaker 1: to their countries. What do you think the percentages? Buck?
Speaker 1: Do you sign off on my ninety ten? If you
Speaker 1: ask people, hey, illegal immigrant from El Salvador gang, member
Speaker 1: of MS thirteen, wife beater, potential human trafficker having been
Speaker 1: pulled over. If it's fifty six percent for everybody, it's
Speaker 1: got to be ninety ten. I think for this guy
Speaker 1: in particular, which circles back around on Trump has won
Speaker 1: this issue for everyone, but in particular, for this guy
Speaker 1: to become the avatar of Democrat resistance policy when it
Speaker 1: comes to illegal immigrants is I think in all time
Speaker 1: miscalculation We know the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Are capable of the most epic political miscalculations, because we've
Speaker 2: seen some of them recently. Right ringing the charges against Trump.
Speaker 2: I think that was the ultimate political boomerang. They let
Speaker 2: that thing rip, and it has come back and whack
Speaker 2: them right in the face now with Trump presidency two
Speaker 2: point zero. I think that running Biden to the point
Speaker 2: that they did Buck Island, May you forever stay strong. Yes,
Speaker 2: those of us who those of us who thought they
Speaker 2: would push through, It's all right.
Speaker 1: We're still recovering. We're still doing some records. Times Biden
Speaker 1: needed to last in order for buck Island to remain extant.
Speaker 1: Or do you think in retrospect now that they really
Speaker 1: would have gone nuclear, that the Chuck Schumers and the
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosis would have gone directly public to force him out.
Speaker 2: I know, I honestly all kidding aside. I believe that
Speaker 2: if a couple of things had gone a little bit
Speaker 2: differently and they had decided to put Biden forward, have
Speaker 2: him do a few live events, that they I think
Speaker 2: it was Razor. I mean, obviously I thought he was
Speaker 2: gonna be I think it was Razor's edge that that
Speaker 2: they pushed him out, and can I just be clear
Speaker 2: it was moronic to push him out. They got smoked, right,
Speaker 2: Like I understand the polls showed that he had had
Speaker 2: a really bad, you know, really bad moment there, but
Speaker 2: I think he could have gained ground. Kamala never had
Speaker 2: a path There was never a pathway for Kamala, right
Speaker 2: and and I think that we obviously saw that in
Speaker 2: the election. So I gave the Democrats credit for being
Speaker 2: savvier than they actually were in that instance, Which brings
Speaker 2: me to this one, Clay.
Speaker 1: There's not.
Speaker 2: Who's really on the calls, who's really you know, making
Speaker 2: the decisions from the top of the I mean that
Speaker 2: across the board Democrat Party c in an MSNBC industrial
Speaker 2: complex New York Times. Who has the most power right
Speaker 2: now in the Democrat Party to set the agenda for
Speaker 2: Trump resis distance. I mean, I think it's AOC which
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk more about. I mean, I think that
Speaker 2: they're trying to build up.
Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow because I think she's the only person that
Speaker 1: has a substantial audience in the party.
Speaker 2: I think people want to be liked by her, and
Speaker 2: she's not a bomb. She's she's not a bomb. Have
Speaker 2: you ever seen her really tangling with people in public?
Speaker 2: All she does is the kind of standard anti trump
Speaker 2: ism on her show, Like she's not she's not calling
Speaker 2: anybody out, she's not hurting kat So to speak with
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party, right, So, I'm just saying, who's the enforcer,
Speaker 2: who is the who is the brain?
Speaker 1: Who is the leadership? I don't think they have one
Speaker 1: at all. That's why I think the nominee is going
Speaker 1: to be in twenty twenty eight someone who's not even
Speaker 1: in politics right now.
Speaker 2: And this is where though, Clay to the point about
Speaker 2: Abrago Garcia them making another political blunder here, It's not surprised.
Speaker 2: Why would that be surprising who's in charge right now?
Speaker 2: They're just chasing They're like the kids, young kids. You know,
Speaker 2: I coach soccer. Clay and I have both played soccer.
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: When you have young kids playing soccer, they all just
Speaker 2: crowd the ball and nobody knows what's going on, and
Speaker 2: they're all just sort of kicking the ball at each other.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like a little a little mob. It's a scratch
Speaker 2: the Democrat, That's true. Yeah, they're just all kicking.
Speaker 1: It's going, they're just like, it's Trump kick it. I
Speaker 1: do think that if you look at what let's leave
Speaker 1: aside the judiciary, because they have clearly emerged as Trump
Speaker 1: two point zero. This is what I was kind of
Speaker 1: talking about. They sort of haphazardly and almost drunkenly stumble
Speaker 1: from one talking point to another. It wasn't very long
Speaker 1: ago that everybody suddenly was saying, oh, you can't afford eggs. Now, well,
Speaker 1: wholesale egg prices have collapse. They're actually lower than when
Speaker 1: Biden was in office. That story's gone. And then what
Speaker 1: was everybody focused on the stock market? Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: the tariff battles the stock market. It's unsustained stock market,
Speaker 1: same price it was roughly in September. Right now, that story,
Speaker 1: given that we have not seen as much vacillation in
Speaker 1: stock prices, that story has vanished. Then it's oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: you took a Maryland dad, You took a Maryland man.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, but actually he's a wife beater and a
Speaker 1: human trafficker and a gang member and a bad dude,
Speaker 1: and so it's man collapsed. Hel Salvador. Yeah, that's true too,
Speaker 1: but this is critical, this is critical.
Speaker 2: He's not a marilynd Man. And they do this with
Speaker 2: This has been the case with with the media for
Speaker 2: a long time. It's always whenever illegal does something horrible,
Speaker 2: it's you know, Minnesota man, Maryland man, Kansas men.
Speaker 1: No, that is absolute nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's a lie. It's it's very dishonest. I mean, am
Speaker 2: I bag Dad man? I was in Bagdad for a while.
Speaker 2: Am I am I bag Dad man?
Speaker 1: This is crazy. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: You are the person. It's either where you know. It's
Speaker 2: either where you live and are from, or your nationality.
Speaker 2: It doesn't get to be where you are at some
Speaker 2: period of time. Right if if I crossed over state
Speaker 2: lines and got in trouble in Texas, nobody said, like
Speaker 2: Texas man, does it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: I live in Florida. Yeah, I mean, this is their
Speaker 1: their failure to make him an avatar. We got a
Speaker 1: couple of callers, by the way, who went away in
Speaker 1: Paul in Kentucky. What do you think? Okay, Paul's no
Speaker 1: cell phone connection failed?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 1: Shannon Shannon in South Dakota. What you got?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So the issue is is good guy bad guy.
Speaker 7: He was convicted of no crimes.
Speaker 9: He was charged with no.
Speaker 1: Crimes and well he's illegally here though, sure, sure so
Speaker 1: do you think he could be deported to protective order?
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely can be deported. I think one of the
Speaker 7: issues is is that we deported him to a prison.
Speaker 7: We do not ship people.
Speaker 1: We did him to a prison hold on. We sent
Speaker 1: him to El Salvador, and El Salvador decided that he
Speaker 1: should be in prison there.
Speaker 7: Sure, And the reason that they didn't want to send
Speaker 7: him back there was fear of reprisal from other gang
Speaker 7: members or something like that. But they knew he was
Speaker 7: going to a prison ship.
Speaker 10: But we don't.
Speaker 1: Control We don't control what anybody does when we send
Speaker 1: him back to their country. So you think he should
Speaker 1: still be here in control?
Speaker 7: No, I think that we could have deported him. That's fine,
Speaker 7: give him his due process. The Supreme Court I read it,
Speaker 7: they violated his due process and illegally shipped him to
Speaker 7: a country where he was immediately put into prison. And
Speaker 7: we don't put people in prison for accusations people.
Speaker 1: We didn't put him in prison.
Speaker 7: In prison. Pete Hegseth is not in prison for his
Speaker 7: accused rape. Trump is not in prison.
Speaker 1: Pete is a citizen of the United states, And actually
Speaker 1: he was investigated by the state of California and they
Speaker 1: determined that didn't happen.
Speaker 7: No, they did determine it to happen. They determined that
Speaker 7: they didn't have enough. It was a he said, She said,
Speaker 7: just for clarification, But well, hold.
Speaker 1: On, hold on. When you hold on, When you investigate
Speaker 1: someone to see if they committed a crime, and you
Speaker 1: choose not to bring charges in that crime, that's pretty
Speaker 1: strong evidence that you didn't commit a crime, right Because
Speaker 1: if you think that they might have committed a crime
Speaker 1: and you are bringing charges, then you would take it
Speaker 1: to the jury to determine whether or not they committed
Speaker 1: a crime.
Speaker 7: The standard of is would would a jury be able
Speaker 7: to convict them based on the evidence that it's provided.
Speaker 7: It is not a determination of guilt or not guilty.
Speaker 1: So you are of the opinion if I said, right now, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got to investigate whatever your name is in South Dakota,
Speaker 1: I think he's committed a crime. And if in South
Speaker 1: Dakota they investigated it and chose not to bring charges
Speaker 1: against you, you think the standard would be, Well, they
Speaker 1: didn't determine I didn't commit a crime. They determined I
Speaker 1: did there wasn't enough evidence to convict me of a crime.
Speaker 1: That's how you'd want to be identified as a caller
Speaker 1: on the program.
Speaker 7: That is the standard. And what do I want to
Speaker 7: be accused of a crime. Anybody who's been accused of
Speaker 7: a crime is already underneath scrutiny at that point in time.
Speaker 1: But again especially if again the investigators look into it.
Speaker 1: All right, so what's your position here? Do you want
Speaker 1: him sit back? What is your actual advocacy that you've
Speaker 1: called in to advocate for here?
Speaker 7: Sure, I would like to get him out of prison,
Speaker 7: get him to a place where he's not going to
Speaker 7: be put in prison unless we convict him of a
Speaker 7: crime if they want to charge it for a crime
Speaker 7: here buying go ahead, which they have not done.
Speaker 1: And I've been But he's not in prison in the unit.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. I don't. We're just kind of
Speaker 1: going around in circles here. I look, he is not
Speaker 1: put in prison here. He is illegally here. He has
Speaker 1: been investigated for wife beating based on his own wife's position.
Speaker 1: He was investigated for human trafficking in Tennessee, and the
Speaker 1: Biden FBI said, hey, let him go. We know beyond
Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt that he is not supposed
Speaker 1: to be here. He was arrested with other ms thirteen
Speaker 1: game members, gang members with many different aspects of gang
Speaker 1: affiliation directly connected to him, and he was sent to
Speaker 1: El Salvador. El Salvador, which is now one of the
Speaker 1: safest countries in the world thanks to what Bouqueley has
Speaker 1: done there made the determination that he should be in
Speaker 1: prison because they believe that he is a gang member.
Speaker 2: Well, I also think that that it's not. You can't
Speaker 2: expect the American people to me This even goes to
Speaker 2: more just common sense and fundamental belief about where the
Speaker 2: country is and what's happening here. You cannot expect us
Speaker 2: all to say, you know what, all the laws about
Speaker 2: keeping illegals out and finding and deporting illegals, those aren't
Speaker 2: really laws. Like sorry, there's too much going on, too
Speaker 2: much complexity. But if you do anything that does not
Speaker 2: give him his five different.
Speaker 1: Versions of a day in court, that does.
Speaker 2: Not take into account that any judge at any time
Speaker 2: can keep the law, cannot be anyone can come here
Speaker 2: and no one gets kicked out. That's the there's just
Speaker 2: a rejection of that. I reject that premise, okay, and
Speaker 2: that seems to be where the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Are on this. I also think that somebody out there thinking, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here illegally. If I get stopped, I might end
Speaker 1: up in a prison back in my home country. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should leave, is not a bad message to be sending, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like this guy is, I think quite clearly,
Speaker 1: based on all the evidence, a bad dude who should
Speaker 1: not be here, and the fact that they would make
Speaker 1: him the avatar, and that the best defense that we
Speaker 1: got is some guy from South Dakota says, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think he should be in prison in El Salvador.
Speaker 1: We'll should his home country be able to determine whether
Speaker 1: they believe that he is a threat or not and
Speaker 1: apply the laws of their home country as it pertains
Speaker 1: to their citizen. And again, if this guy had come
Speaker 1: here and he had been a sterling man of character
Speaker 1: and all those things, he would still be here illegally
Speaker 1: and he would still be subject to deportation. But he
Speaker 1: was not. He is a gang member based on all
Speaker 1: the evidence you can go read it. He is potentially
Speaker 1: engaged in human trafficking. Based on a Tennessee police report.
Speaker 1: He is clearly based on his own wife, someone who
Speaker 1: has beaten her and she has needed to seek the
Speaker 1: protection of the state. Like, I'm not losing or weeping
Speaker 1: at all for this guy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly the point, and that's where I was
Speaker 2: going to go. Now is just I don't care. This
Speaker 2: guy's problem not my problem. He's gone. He's not an American.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: You know that they can whine and they're trying to
Speaker 2: make us care about this, and I think that increasingly
Speaker 2: they are finding they're unable to do. So I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's not my problem. He wasn't supposed to be here.
Speaker 2: He's not a good guy. End of story. I'm sick
Speaker 2: of this country being exploited by people who think that
Speaker 2: the only laws that are the laws are the ones
Speaker 2: that are in their interest, the illegals interest, and not
Speaker 2: the interest of the American people. So I take a
Speaker 2: step back. It's more of a philosophical thing for me,
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying here. I'm just we've had enough. Okay,
Speaker 2: we had ten million committed to Biden. This is madness.
Speaker 2: We're getting rid of the worst of the worst right now.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry if it's not perfect. You know, sometimes
Speaker 2: you got to drop a bomb on the building and
Speaker 2: get the bad guy, and bad things happen.
Speaker 1: Let me also say this, because he tried to pivot
Speaker 1: and attack Pete. Hegseth on this. I think this is
Speaker 1: actually really significant, and I know this has been something
Speaker 1: that matters to you too. He tried to say, well,
Speaker 1: they investigated it and they chose not to bring charges,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that he didn't commit a rape.
Speaker 1: That argument it needs to vanish, right, because if you
Speaker 1: have a woman who can anonymously accuse a man of
Speaker 1: inappropriate behavior of a sexual nature, the authorities actually investigate
Speaker 1: it they choose not to bring charges, you can't then
Speaker 1: say well he may have raped her, but they just
Speaker 1: chose not to bring charges. No, if you get investigated
Speaker 1: and they don't bring charges, I'm sorry, Anonymous, your name
Speaker 1: gets dragged through the mud and everything else. I think
Speaker 1: we need to make it the standard that we say
Speaker 1: this didn't happen. Not well, they didn't. They decided they
Speaker 1: couldn't convict beyond reasonable doubts, So that doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: didn't rape her. That is just I'm sorry that line
Speaker 1: of thought in this era, when you can Levy any
Speaker 1: accusation against someone at all that you want, and then
Speaker 1: when authorities investigate and don't bring it, you still say, well,
Speaker 1: it didn't mean he didn't do it. I'm over that era.
Speaker 1: I think that is frankly indefensible.
Speaker 2: I also think, yeah, I as soon as the guy started,
Speaker 2: you were much more polite to him than I would have.
Speaker 2: And if I was handling that, but I would just say,
Speaker 2: because you and I agree, the Pete thing, it's uh,
Speaker 2: there's just there's no there there. But anyway, and the
Speaker 2: cops found there's no no there there. Trust me, they
Speaker 2: weren't giving the Fox News host in California like the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt there.
Speaker 1: Was well said too, there's no Yeah, there's no privilege
Speaker 1: of being a Fox News host in in California when.
Speaker 2: Investigated for you know, sexual assaults. So Pete, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I I have there's zeroed out in my mind that
Speaker 2: Pete did not actually break any laws there whatsoever. Beyond
Speaker 2: that though, Uh, this is this is where I think
Speaker 2: people just in we're we're we keep being told, oh
Speaker 2: you know what, we got we gotta we gotta come back,
Speaker 2: come back, we got to go to keep the conversation going.
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Speaker 1: We have some breaking news. Just to update you on this.
Speaker 2: A suspect in custody and five reportedly killed at Florida State.
Speaker 1: University down here in my home state of Florida.
Speaker 2: We are following this, uh the the updates will be
Speaker 2: coming to us more throughout this hour. So just wanting
Speaker 2: to let you know that this is the breaking news
Speaker 2: out there. It is spreading rapidly. People are finding out
Speaker 2: about this terrible shooting at Florida State University. We'll have
Speaker 2: more for you on that later this hour as more
Speaker 2: details come in. We've got the team pulling together all
Speaker 2: of the relevant information.
Speaker 1: As we speak.
Speaker 2: We now want to speak to Attorney General Ken Paxton
Speaker 2: of the state of Texas. He joins us now from Dallas,
Speaker 2: and mister Attorney General Paxton, appreciate you calling in, sir.
Speaker 8: Hey, glad to be on. I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 8: You're going to be a fun, fun, fun year coming up.
Speaker 2: Can I We know you've announced your Senate run and
Speaker 2: so that's that's a very you know, very very exciting
Speaker 2: for for you and your team that you're going to
Speaker 2: be You've thrown your hat on the ring for that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you more about that.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, though, I thought perhaps you could just
Speaker 2: give us your perspective. If a state attorney general is
Speaker 2: involved in multiple mortgage frauds, if that is found to
Speaker 2: be true, shouldn't that state attorney general. I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: familiar with what's going on in New York and Attorney
Speaker 2: General Letitia James and the allegations that are out there
Speaker 2: right now. Aren't you, Attorney General Packson held to a
Speaker 2: higher standard as a chief law enforcement officer in your state,
Speaker 2: and shouldn't that be the case in New York as well?
Speaker 8: Well? Certainly not necessarily a higher standard, but she had
Speaker 8: to be held to the standard that everybody else is,
Speaker 8: which is, if she's violating the law, she should be
Speaker 8: held accounted for that, and if she's committed a crime,
Speaker 8: she should be prosecuted for that, and obviously that would
Speaker 8: affect her ability to continue as Attorney General of New York.
Speaker 1: A lot of discussion. Well, first of all, let's allow
Speaker 1: you to tell our audience, who may not have heard otherwise,
Speaker 1: you have had a lot of success in Texas electoral
Speaker 1: politics already, You've won a lot of battles, You've fought
Speaker 1: a lot of battles well coming after you aggressively. And
Speaker 1: you are going to be running now for the Senate
Speaker 1: from Texas that is next year. But the process is underway.
Speaker 1: Wins the primary, what do you expect it to look like?
Speaker 1: And for people out there that may not have been
Speaker 1: familiar with you in the past, why are you the
Speaker 1: right choice?
Speaker 8: So the primary is the first two damr. So we're,
Speaker 8: you know, approximately ten and a half months away from
Speaker 8: the primary. And obviously John corn is our current center,
Speaker 8: been there for twenty three years, going on twenty four.
Speaker 8: He'd like to state thirty. For one, I think that's
Speaker 8: that's too long. And for two, I don't feel like
Speaker 8: he's done a good job representing our people. I don't
Speaker 8: think you've done a good job, and I think there
Speaker 8: is time for change. So that's why I'm running. There's
Speaker 8: a lot of issues that I'm frustrated I think our
Speaker 8: voters are frustrated with and it takes a lot of
Speaker 8: effort to win a statewide race in Texas. You need
Speaker 8: nay ivy, you need money and they're just starting that
Speaker 8: many people that have the name id or the ability
Speaker 8: to raise funds that can go against the sitting incumba,
Speaker 8: especially in the state of Texas.
Speaker 1: Would we may have just lost him there for a
Speaker 1: sec if we want to make sure he get his
Speaker 1: cell phone. He's in Dallas right now, he's begun the campaign,
Speaker 1: and he was just laying out buck what is going
Speaker 1: to be probably I think it's fair to say the
Speaker 1: biggest Republican primary battle in twenty twenty six anywhere in
Speaker 1: the country. John Cornyan who has been in office for
Speaker 1: some time, current sitting Texas Senator, and Ken Paxton, who
Speaker 1: is the Attorney General right now of Texas very well known.
Speaker 1: But I wanted you guys to hear from him exactly
Speaker 1: the choice that he was making is going to be
Speaker 1: a big, expensive, huge battle. He just laid it out
Speaker 1: March of next year.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, just Attorney General Paxson, because
Speaker 2: this this is going to be a primary A lot
Speaker 2: of people spend time thinking about and involved in will
Speaker 2: be a lot of dollars and for anyone who's listening,
Speaker 2: I just want to be Claire, we will because we
Speaker 2: don't endorse in primaries. We will have an invite out
Speaker 2: to Senator Cornyn as well so he can make his case.
Speaker 2: But Attorney General Paxton, where have you broken with Corning
Speaker 2: on a major issue? And what you said that you're
Speaker 2: not you don't agree with some of the positions he's
Speaker 2: taken and some of what he's done to represent the
Speaker 2: state of Texas. Can you give us some example so
Speaker 2: we can just start to understand what the differences are
Speaker 2: between the two of you.
Speaker 8: Sure, I'll give you a couple of examples. First was
Speaker 8: his push for the gun restrictions that he was able
Speaker 8: to pass with the encouragement of Joe Biden. And he
Speaker 8: was able to do that restricting gun ownership rights, very
Speaker 8: unpopular position in Texas, particularly in the primary issue. Might imagine,
Speaker 8: and I remember after it was done that Donald Trump
Speaker 8: came out and call them rhino and President Biden congratulated
Speaker 8: him on doing a great job. That will never happen
Speaker 8: with me. You will never see me congratulated by a
Speaker 8: president like Joe Biden. Another issue that he's been very,
Speaker 8: very bad on is the border. He's criticized Trump's building
Speaker 8: of the wall over and over. He said negative things
Speaker 8: about it and not wanting to do it. He's insinuated
Speaker 8: that he would be for amnesty. Those are both very
Speaker 8: unpopular positions in Texas, where a border state, we need
Speaker 8: all the protection we can get, not less. And then,
Speaker 8: of course he's not been a fan of President Trump.
Speaker 8: In twenty sixteen he called President Trump and albatross around
Speaker 8: our neck, and in twenty twenty four he said he
Speaker 8: was not endorsing President Trump, that we should go, we
Speaker 8: should move on, and that he also insinuated that President
Speaker 8: Trump had committed crimes and potentially should be held accountable
Speaker 8: for those crimes. So those are three of the issues
Speaker 8: that are I think are important to our voters, and
Speaker 8: I think those are distinguished very much distinguished me from him.
Speaker 1: So let's dive into this in particular. You just mentioned
Speaker 1: President Trump. I think he won the state of Texas
Speaker 1: by twelve fourteen points. You probably know the exact margin,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't close. I'm assuming that, if he hasn't already,
Speaker 1: that he is going to be endorsing you pretty wholeheartedly
Speaker 1: for this office, given that you have worked quite a
Speaker 1: lot with Trump when it comes to the border, when
Speaker 1: it comes to legal related issues, how effective do you
Speaker 1: think you would be working with Trump in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: if you're able to hold that right hand up and
Speaker 1: become the next senator from Texas.
Speaker 8: Yeah, certainly the endorsement is up to him. I don't
Speaker 8: presume anything, but I will say this, I've had a
Speaker 8: great working relationship with President Trump from almost the day
Speaker 8: he got into office. I didn't know him, but we
Speaker 8: went back and forth on many many issues while he
Speaker 8: was in his first term. I've kept in touch with
Speaker 8: him since then, during the times he was out of
Speaker 8: office and had been a big support. As matter of fact,
Speaker 8: I was one of two elected officials that showed up
Speaker 8: at mar A Lago, the other with Troy and ELL's
Speaker 8: Congressman Troynelles that actually showed up when he announced, because
Speaker 8: if you'll remember when he announced, there was a lot
Speaker 8: of issues swirling about his legal issues and a lot
Speaker 8: of Republicans were keeping their distance because DeSantis was was
Speaker 8: on the move, and I was there with the Troynelle
Speaker 8: because one I knew I knew the president trouble do
Speaker 8: a great job. And two, you know, I'm loyal to
Speaker 8: people that that that I trust and I believe in.
Speaker 2: Speaking to Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, he is going
Speaker 2: to be running for a Senate seat against the incumbent there,
Speaker 2: John Cornyn and A. G.
Speaker 1: Paxton.
Speaker 2: I wanted to lean on your legal expertise if I
Speaker 2: could for a second. How do you assess this this
Speaker 2: uh back and forth?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: The media is completely drilled into now this uh, mister
Speaker 2: Abrago Garcia, who is being currently held in El Salvador.
Speaker 2: Just I wanted to just hear what you think about
Speaker 2: all of the uh, the the objections that are coming
Speaker 2: from some people about the process, the judge that's involved.
Speaker 2: What you think should happen. You know, you handle these
Speaker 2: kinds of decisions as a as an attorney general for
Speaker 2: our second biggest state. What do you think think about
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 8: Well, I think this judge across the line, this is
Speaker 8: a this is the executive branch. So he's this judge
Speaker 8: is crossed. We're all about separation of powers. The judiciary
Speaker 8: is supposed to be the weakest branch, and they are
Speaker 8: supposed to stay out of the legislative side, and they're
Speaker 8: supposed to stay out of the executive side. This judge
Speaker 8: has clearly stepped into the shoes of the executive role
Speaker 8: and taking control of the situation. I think that's wrong,
Speaker 8: and I think that needs to stop. I think Congress
Speaker 8: needs to act and stop these nationwide injunctions that aren't
Speaker 8: based in any fact or law. And we certainly there's
Speaker 8: I think there are narrow cases that we use against
Speaker 8: Joe Biden when it was a nationwide issue, but this
Speaker 8: one is clearly in the purview of the executive and
Speaker 8: this judge just needs to be stopped.
Speaker 1: How has life in Texas changed since Joe Joe Biden
Speaker 1: left office Trump came in in particular when it comes
Speaker 1: to the border. We talk about it on the program
Speaker 1: because basically the border has ceased to be an issue
Speaker 1: at all. It is now secure. What does that look like?
Speaker 1: What does it feel like in Texas?
Speaker 8: It's I mean, I think people are excited, they feel safer.
Speaker 8: The costliness of it has gone down. Obviously, for us,
Speaker 8: it meant a lot of expense from law enforcement, health, insurance,
Speaker 8: all kinds of different issues. Education. That's our cost. And
Speaker 8: the Celler government never stepped in. Even though they were
Speaker 8: inviting these people in and working with the cartels to
Speaker 8: get them across the border, they were not helping us financially.
Speaker 8: And so it's a huge relief to us, and obviously
Speaker 8: our legislatures spent billions of dollars trying to protect the
Speaker 8: border in lieu of the Biden administration doing just the opposite.
Speaker 8: So it has a tremendous financial impact. But it's also
Speaker 8: I think people just feel safer knowing that we have
Speaker 8: a president that's protecting our order.
Speaker 1: We're number one in Austin, off and on, We're number
Speaker 1: one in San Antonio, off and on. We are number
Speaker 1: one in Houston, off and on. I say off and
Speaker 1: on because on a weekly monthly basis, things can. But
Speaker 1: we have monster audience across the entire state of Texas,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate all of you listening right now. We're
Speaker 1: also newly on in Dallas, which is where I think
Speaker 1: you are right now. When you look at this March
Speaker 1: primary that is coming up next year, I know the
Speaker 1: answer is everywhere in terms of where will this race
Speaker 1: be decided, but in particular what areas? What has turnout
Speaker 1: looked like a lot of times people don't show up
Speaker 1: necessarily in big numbers for primaries. What does it take
Speaker 1: for you to beat an incumbent senator who certainly is
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of money as well.
Speaker 8: Well. I mean, we've already done three polls with three
Speaker 8: different polsters. I did one with Trump's bolster that had
Speaker 8: me up by twenty five. I did one with Ted
Speaker 8: cruzz Bolster that has me twenty five, and we did
Speaker 8: a third one just to make sure it's twenty seven.
Speaker 8: So the wow, I mean a lot of it is
Speaker 8: already baked in. They know John Corny's been in office
Speaker 8: for over forty years, they know me. I've been in
Speaker 8: office for in the Attorney Jail's office for eleven years now,
Speaker 8: and so I think the primary letters are really educated.
Speaker 8: I feel very strongly that we are going to do
Speaker 8: well everywhere, and it's it's all based on record, and
Speaker 8: he's going to have to spend the See, his record
Speaker 8: is not what the voters want. He's not going to
Speaker 8: be talking about his record. He's not going to be
Speaker 8: talking about mine, because my record is a record that
Speaker 8: the voters like. He's going to be going negative personally.
Speaker 8: That's that's his a lot of attack and he's got
Speaker 8: to pray that somehow Trump does not that he endorses him,
Speaker 8: because that would be his only way of getting into
Speaker 8: the game. And he's still going to lose.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible he drops out, decides not
Speaker 1: to run.
Speaker 8: Look, I don't presume anything he says he's running. I'm playing.
Speaker 8: I'm playing this for you know. I'm going to run
Speaker 8: against John Corny, So that would be a great question
Speaker 8: for him. I'm sure no matter what he's thinking in
Speaker 8: his head, it's got across his mind if if he's
Speaker 8: that far down, he's pulled that he knows that he's
Speaker 8: behind by double digits. And look, I've been to the
Speaker 8: Republican Convention. The last time he spoke that he dared
Speaker 8: to speak to the Republican voters, that was three years ago.
Speaker 8: He got booed for thirty straight minutes. And I'm not
Speaker 8: talking to quiet boodes. I'm talking loudly booed for thirty minutes.
Speaker 8: And that was all based on what he did with
Speaker 8: the restrictions on gun ownership in our state.
Speaker 1: Tourney.
Speaker 2: General Packston, appreciate you being with us, sir. Best of
Speaker 2: luck to you, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 8: Hey, have a great day. Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: to a hockey game. All right, Ali, you are married
Speaker 1: to Gerard uh and he is fabulous, and Buck and
Speaker 1: I are both very big fans of his. How tall
Speaker 1: is Girard is six four six four? How tall are you? Ali?
Speaker 11: I am five three?
Speaker 1: Are you are five three? We have said prior my
Speaker 1: wife is five to two. Buck's wife is five to three,
Speaker 1: that both of them have told us that if we
Speaker 1: were five eight, we would not have been their dating
Speaker 1: partner and not their married partner. I will say this too,
Speaker 1: by the way, Bluck, my mom is five to four.
Speaker 1: My dad is six three. I bet if my dad
Speaker 1: had been five eight, I bet I wouldn't exist. Just
Speaker 1: tossing that out there. I haven't never asked my mom
Speaker 1: if she would have dated him if he was five eight.
Speaker 1: She may be listening. She can let me know. But Ali,
Speaker 1: if Gerard had been five eight, would you have ever
Speaker 1: started dating him as a five ft three woman? Oh?
Speaker 11: Wow, you too, I was also attracted to other things
Speaker 11: about your ard.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. If he was five eight, would you have
Speaker 1: dated him?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Five six?
Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, yes, I think she's I think.
Speaker 1: She's lying to us. I think because when I brought
Speaker 1: this up as we went to break at the end
Speaker 1: of the last hour, she five to four. Oh, Clay
Speaker 1: can answer, There's no way. There's no way.
Speaker 2: I don't believe. I think Ali, he was under six feet. Ali,
Speaker 2: I'll get I'll give you this. I don't I understand
Speaker 2: like male female dynamic. I understand if women. Although some
Speaker 2: women don't mind if a guy who there are women
Speaker 2: who don't mind if a guy shorter than ever, especially
Speaker 2: if they're like, if you're a six foot tall woman
Speaker 2: now in heels, right, you're six three ish?
Speaker 1: Right, probably six three? Would you rather be a super
Speaker 1: tall woman or a short man? Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: had to choose super tall woman, you'd rather be a
Speaker 1: six foot five woman than like a five to four man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm identifying now as a six foot six
Speaker 1: its five women would be.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like a you're like bigger than a
Speaker 2: w NBA center at that I think that aren't the
Speaker 2: w NBA center. You're like, you're a six giant woman
Speaker 2: if you're like six two or bigger, like right, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's very very right for a woman. It's like being
Speaker 2: a seven foot man. So you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, women anyway, some women will
Speaker 2: date short of them. I don't I understand. And a
Speaker 2: woman saying I don't want to date a guy shorter
Speaker 2: than me. Again, what the data shows is that women
Speaker 2: like an amusement park ride have in their minds at least,
Speaker 2: and it shows that they act on this when it
Speaker 2: comes to online dating a height cut off.
Speaker 11: And every nature show, every nature show you watch shows
Speaker 11: the species and how they attract each other, and the
Speaker 11: male birds will puff up and the lizards will make
Speaker 11: their gills go larger.
Speaker 1: Whatever, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But to me, that's that's that's like muscles, that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's maybe if you like someone's eyes. You know, there's
Speaker 2: all these physical attributes, but for it seems to me
Speaker 2: that height for women for male physical Ali question, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is not fair because Gerard has a six pack
Speaker 2: and a six four, So this is gonna get And
Speaker 2: now we're really if if Gerard, I don't know, let'll
Speaker 2: take Gerard out of this. If you if you have
Speaker 2: to pick for a guy height six four or Gerard
Speaker 2: level physique, what are we going four here?
Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, all right, if we're just going purely
Speaker 11: off physical. Yeah, I suppose the fit the fitness because I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she would go with the fitness. That makes
Speaker 2: more sense to me. I think Ali is in a
Speaker 2: distinct minority there because I think most women they just
Speaker 2: they there's this hype thing.
Speaker 1: Dude, I have. I've clay, I'm six feet tall.
Speaker 2: I have come across women who have basically been like,
Speaker 2: you know, almost like they're doing me a favor, like
Speaker 2: you bait, like you just this is obviously before I've
Speaker 2: met Carrie, but I was single for many many years
Speaker 2: in New York. They're like I kind of you know,
Speaker 2: grandfathered you in, like if I had known you weren't
Speaker 2: quite like six'.
Speaker 1: Two you, KNOW i is.
Speaker 2: Wild and they're very open about this, Too like they
Speaker 2: don't because because it's so objective that they don't feel
Speaker 2: bad Saying it's not like they're, LIKE i wish you
Speaker 2: were better, Looking like that's just, mean but like you're
Speaker 2: a little on the short side for, me they'll just
Speaker 2: say it to your.
Speaker 11: Face but you know what really sealed the deal for
Speaker 11: me is. Humor personality and humor like funny is. Underrated
Speaker 11: LIKE i feel like.
Speaker 2: Like you're like an emotionally stable, spirit virtually a, wholesome
Speaker 2: very kind. Person you, know you're all, right you know we.
Speaker 2: Did ali's an outlier for like like depth and in
Speaker 2: as a human. BEING i would say a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are superficial out. THERE i think that's top
Speaker 2: three for most. WOMEN i think height is, one money is,
Speaker 2: two AND i think more women will admit to the
Speaker 2: height thing than the money. Thing there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of rich guys with ugly. Women i'm just saying it
Speaker 2: has not happened very often that you see a super
Speaker 2: rich guy with an unattractive.
Speaker 1: One here here's, AGAIN i understand why you want a rich.
Speaker 1: GUY i.
Speaker 2: Understand i'm not saying that that it's not superficial or
Speaker 2: that you, know we we don't wish that there was
Speaker 2: romance beyond. That but being able to provide unless a
Speaker 2: guy is playing in THE nba or is like a
Speaker 2: tight end in THE, nfl him being six six means.
Speaker 2: Nothing this is WHAT i don't. Understand but women love.
Speaker 2: THIS i loves TOTAL i THINK i Think ali's. RIGHT
Speaker 2: i think it's total.
Speaker 1: BIOLOGY i think historic the bigger gorilla was able to
Speaker 1: protect the female gorilla from smaller, gorillas and SO i
Speaker 1: think biologically women are attracted to bigger men because they
Speaker 1: have the ability to protect.
Speaker 12: Clay.
Speaker 2: Biologically they look AT, ufc but see this is WHERE
Speaker 2: i get look at. You at MOST ufc fighters are
Speaker 2: are almost all of them are five eight to six
Speaker 2: one or six, two like there's very few that are.
Speaker 1: Tall certainly very. Arbitrary BUT i think this is straight.
Speaker 1: BIOLOGY i think it's just like caveman. Days if you were, bigger,
Speaker 1: stronger and, faster you were more likely to be able
Speaker 1: to kill a animal and provide for the female. Baby
Speaker 1: AVERAGE ufc fighter height is five to. Ten, YEAH i just.
Speaker 11: Yeah so documentaries also point out. Lions. Lions the male
Speaker 11: lion the bigger main attract the. Female with the, MAIN.
Speaker 1: I get a little. More i'm, Like i'm, like a
Speaker 1: great main is something THAT i can. Get behare you
Speaker 1: know What i'm. SAYING i think it's JUST i think
Speaker 1: it's just, Power and, historically the more like size you
Speaker 1: had as a, man the more power you tended to.
Speaker 2: Have like let's, say do we still Have david In, Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: Arizona is he a short guy calling?
Speaker 1: In we've ruined his? Day? No he's six? Three, Okay,
Speaker 1: david what have you got for?
Speaker 5: Us?
Speaker 4: Hi, Guys i'm six, three my girlfriend's five to. Two
Speaker 4: one of the first things she said is two. Things
Speaker 4: she almost didn't date me because she felt bad that
Speaker 4: she was taking a tall. Person but the big thing
Speaker 4: is her tall girlfriends do not like short girls taking
Speaker 4: the tall.
Speaker 1: Guy oh that's an interesting. POINT i hadn't even thought
Speaker 1: about the anger that short girl with tall guy can.
Speaker 1: Provoke because if you're five to nine chick and your
Speaker 1: girlfriend who's five to three takes the six to two,
Speaker 1: GUY i get. IT i do think there's something to your. Argument.
Speaker 1: Buck in an instagrammable, age everybody wants the perfect, photo
Speaker 1: AND i think there's a lot of girls out there
Speaker 1: and they wear, heels and they're wearing a fancy, dress
Speaker 1: and they're going to a cocktail party or they're going
Speaker 1: to a you, know formal event of some. Sort they
Speaker 1: don't want to post a photo standing next to a
Speaker 1: guy who's shorter than them because they think it doesn't
Speaker 1: make the photo look as. GOOD i think that is
Speaker 1: in the. Industry what's the humane part of.
Speaker 2: IT i think that's even that is My that is
Speaker 2: my thesis that social media and online dating has created
Speaker 2: this like rush rush of interest in the height. Situation
Speaker 2: we Got walker In, Augusta.
Speaker 9: Georgia hey, Guys, hey, guys love the show and hearing
Speaker 9: you guys talk today remind me of the.
Speaker 10: Story So i'm retired law. ENFORCEMENT i was on twenty
Speaker 10: two years ON swad AND i was the team leader
Speaker 10: and we had a business guy that basically sponsored our,
Speaker 10: team gave us that you, know fre extra equipment stuff like, that.
Speaker 9: And we invited him out to the. Range he was
Speaker 9: shooting with us and we were standing around the amo.
Speaker 9: Table we were jamming, mags waiting for the next iteration
Speaker 9: to come. On and we're all like six two in,
Speaker 9: taller all of us are big. Dudes and he is
Speaker 9: five to six and he's standing there and He's Gavin
Speaker 9: mags and he's looking.
Speaker 10: Around looking.
Speaker 9: Around he looks and, Said i'll tell you, what y'all
Speaker 9: are some big. Guys but IF i stand in my,
Speaker 9: Wallet i'm six six like. That and we all, said,
Speaker 9: yes you're exactly. Right and to that fact he has
Speaker 9: a hot. Wife i'm not gonna lie AND i beieve.
Speaker 2: That he's here's what we call in the. Culture he's
Speaker 2: what we call walker a short. King that is what
Speaker 2: the millennials and gen z, now he's a short.
Speaker 1: King that's really. Funny that's a great. Line and by the,
Speaker 1: way is there something too short guy being driven to
Speaker 1: be far more successful than tall guy because he knows
Speaker 1: that he has to be economically successful to get the
Speaker 1: best looking girl in a way that tall guy. Doesn't
Speaker 1: in other, words it's tall guy lazy because if you're
Speaker 1: six to two or, whatever you have that height advantage for,
Speaker 1: you and five to six guy is, Like i'm gonna
Speaker 1: do all the. Work i'm gonna put in all the extra.
Speaker 1: Time maybe that would actually make some, sense right are
Speaker 1: there's here's a way to test, it, Buck this would
Speaker 1: be actually. Fascinating how much correlation is there between super.
Speaker 1: WEALTH i don't mean like you know you're making a good.
Speaker 1: LIVING i mean like you're a hedge fund. Guy how
Speaker 1: much correlation is there between hedge fund guy like you're
Speaker 1: making tens of millions of dollars a year and average height?
Speaker 1: Guy are hedge fund guy's taller or shorter on average
Speaker 1: than like finance? BUREAU i want to get to we
Speaker 1: haven't had a lady on the on the phone lines
Speaker 1: yet we got so much. Coming and know what's so?
Speaker 2: Funny what you, know we're sitting, here we're talking about
Speaker 2: like saving The republic and you, know The constitution and birthright.
Speaker 2: Citizenship we get some calls we talk about heightened.
Speaker 4: Dating.
Speaker 2: Kaboom Everybody everybody's, like, WELL i GOTTA i gotta tell,
Speaker 2: You jerrolynn In Los, angeles what's going?
Speaker 6: On.
Speaker 12: Jarrolyn it's funny that you mentioned that book BECAUSE i
Speaker 12: have tried so many times to get on the air with,
Speaker 12: y'all and this is the TIME.
Speaker 4: I made it.
Speaker 12: True BUT i. Do it's about women dating short Man ali.
Speaker 12: Producer ali's at slutely. Correct it's. Evolutionary women are attracted
Speaker 12: to providers and, protectors and generally that means, bigger, stronger
Speaker 12: taller men who can protect, us and men are attracted to,
Speaker 12: readers which is where the thirty six twenty four to
Speaker 12: thirty six bus to ways to hip ratio comes. In,
Speaker 12: HOWEVER i think you're, Wrong. BUCK i think more women
Speaker 12: are as evolved as producer ali than you, think BECAUSE
Speaker 12: i think more women will compromise on things like.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jerlyn.
Speaker 2: Jerrolyn where the data that the data does not support
Speaker 2: what you're.
Speaker 1: Saying so where do you think people?
Speaker 12: Compromise, no you're absolutely right about the. Data that's one
Speaker 12: hundred percent. TRUE i just think that YOU'RE i think
Speaker 12: If i'm on a dating, App i'm a divorced, Woman i'm,
Speaker 12: FORTY i live IN, La i'm attracted to, big, strong manly.
Speaker 12: Men but there's only that many of them In. La
Speaker 12: by the, Way Henry, cavill if you're, Listening i've been
Speaker 12: waiting for you to knock on my door for several, years.
Speaker 1: Just coming from Posing He's Henry cavill is A malugian for.
Speaker 1: SURE i.
Speaker 12: Agree, Yes, yeah that's your, comparison that's your standard of
Speaker 12: beauty that you compared. To, NOW i you're right that
Speaker 12: you never see a rich man with an ugly, woman
Speaker 12: but you will see a beautiful woman with an ugly
Speaker 12: man very, often of, Course, church because there are a
Speaker 12: lot of women who are smart enough to realize they
Speaker 12: need to be dating somebody who's a good, communicator who
Speaker 12: is not too cocky to be a poor, mate who
Speaker 12: is reliable and going to be a steady partner to
Speaker 12: raise the children, with than somebody who's simply. Hot AND
Speaker 12: i think it's again, evolutionary evolutionary that men are attracted
Speaker 12: to beautiful women more than women are attracted.
Speaker 1: To, OKAY i Don't i'm not going to do like
Speaker 1: the evolutionary. THING i actually agree with a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of what she had to say. THERE i think
Speaker 1: she nailed a. Bunch you, know she's a very. Ajournalin
Speaker 1: you're a very, astute very HIGH q. Listener we have
Speaker 1: so many of, them and we appreciate when you call.
Speaker 1: In but let me ask you. This do you agree
Speaker 1: with the thesis that height has become far more of
Speaker 1: a folk among women in the dating pool In? America
Speaker 1: listen it was say twenty or thirty years, ago because
Speaker 1: that's really my, thesis is that online, Dating, instagram social
Speaker 1: media has made this a. Thing whereas you used to
Speaker 1: not be able to say six, foot some women say
Speaker 1: six two and. ABOVE i know that. EXISTS i think that.
Speaker 12: It's always been. Important so, NO I i don't need
Speaker 12: some more. IMPORTANT i think now we just have the
Speaker 12: data to prove that it's.
Speaker 1: Important all, Right, Well, Jerln i'm just gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: Something if you're if you're a single lady IN, la
Speaker 2: you set you set the if you're on a dating,
Speaker 2: app not making any, assumptions but if you're on a dating,
Speaker 2: app you set that that, uh that filter to five eight,
Speaker 2: plus you're gonna get short.
Speaker 1: Kings just it's gonna be, great you. Know just just.
Speaker 2: Let those short kings make their pitch to. You And
Speaker 2: i'm telling, you you know you'll call. In you'd be
Speaker 2: LIKE i got you, KNOW i found MY i found
Speaker 2: the love of my. Life, anyway that's that's my little
Speaker 2: bit of a little bit. Advice thank You jerlend for calling.
Speaker 1: In great.
Speaker 2: Call we'll take more of this Reverence obama this, one,
Speaker 2: uh and we'll take obviously some talkbacks.
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