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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Diane Cousin, director of Cycle.

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Speaker 3: And this is your boy William Howell, co director of

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Speaker 3: the film Cycle. And we are here live on the

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Speaker 3: We Talk Back podcast and we are talking Cycle.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: and the Black Effect Network Talk Talk.

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Speaker 1: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talks.

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Speaker 4: What's up, y'all, it's your girl a j Holiday. What's up, Tam.

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Speaker 1: Bam, y'all. It's Tam Bam. I love y'all. I missed y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all for coming back again another week. I'm so happy.

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Speaker 4: I'm proud.

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Speaker 1: You said, I'm loud or I'm proud.

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Speaker 4: No, I say you have You're so happy, I am.

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Speaker 1: I love you. What was your weekend, girl?

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Speaker 4: Nothing?

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Speaker 5: It was like nothing. I ain't doing much this weekend

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Speaker 5: for real, y'all. I literally have been trying to save

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Speaker 5: because I've been looking at my uh my bank statements

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Speaker 5: and I'm just spending too much fucking money. And it's

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Speaker 5: usually just a Saturday and Sunday, so I've been trying

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Speaker 5: to stay my ass in the fucking house and not

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Speaker 5: shop sales on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I got me going to.

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Speaker 4: How every week.

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Speaker 5: I did go to the gym this weekend. I did

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Speaker 5: look for some furniture this weekend. That's about it. Still

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Speaker 5: trying to spend money, but not like on small trinkets,

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Speaker 5: like small bullshit, because those things add up. You buy

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Speaker 5: a bunch of little shit and you don't spend a

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Speaker 5: thousand honars right real quick, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: So that's about it.

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Speaker 5: I don't do much this weekend, and it's work, you know,

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Speaker 5: what's some stuff?

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Speaker 1: So my weekend, what did I do?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: I posted a steak on my story and Charlemagne was

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Speaker 1: like where this steak from? And I told him where

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Speaker 1: it was from. He was like, you in Columbia. I

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Speaker 1: was like yeah. He invited me to the uh the

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Speaker 1: USC Basketball Conference championship with and his wife. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: I went to the game with them. We had a

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Speaker 1: good time and I was hoping it was a sweet

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Speaker 1: but it was floor seats, so I had to hold

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Speaker 1: my stomach and the whole time I think I must

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Speaker 1: have breathed two times while I was there because it

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Speaker 1: was right on the floor. It's like no chairs in

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Speaker 1: front of me, and all got a hold in my

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Speaker 1: store and I had on like a little crop jacket.

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Speaker 1: I was like, my god, I can't breathe. But I

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Speaker 1: had a good time something. Yeah, I did know what

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Speaker 1: to be on the whole trying with my gut. Just

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Speaker 1: the girl, just a girl like this is the sweet.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it was fun. We had a good time.

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Speaker 1: To shout out to Jesse and Charlotte for that showing

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Speaker 1: me that love. And then I flew to Costa Rica

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Speaker 1: the next day to get dinal work done. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm here now, I'm getting a crown need two feelings,

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Speaker 1: and I'm getting a wisdom tooth pulled out. So they

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Speaker 1: started the work already, so they already I got a

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Speaker 1: posted my tooth and they like shaved it down a

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Speaker 1: little bit to put the crown on. And that's tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Everything else is tomorrow. Then I'm flying right back. So

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Speaker 1: that was my week. I'm here in Costa Rica at

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Speaker 1: this dental resort and it's pretty dope, y'all. So if

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Speaker 1: you are someone who needs some work done and you

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Speaker 1: don't want to spend American prices, when I get back

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Speaker 1: next week, I'll tell y'all where it is, where to

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Speaker 1: go all the things. But right now, while I'm still

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Speaker 1: doing it. I want to make sure that I love

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Speaker 1: it before I recommend it to you all. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I got going on.

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Speaker 5: And I want to know too, because I want to

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Speaker 5: go get me some good cheap dental work done, not

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Speaker 5: cheap as in quality, inexpensive okay in comparison and US prices,

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Speaker 5: because I still I think we need to go to

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Speaker 5: a turkey so we can get like a nice little

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Speaker 5: work up done and fixed. Yes, I've been I've been

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Speaker 5: looking into like peptides recently, not news and pics, right,

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Speaker 5: because there's a lot of like your body stops producing,

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Speaker 5: like the natural peptides are older, you get so a

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Speaker 5: lot of these clinics now these I guess, like I

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Speaker 5: don't know, cosmetic clinics you wanna call them that, like

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Speaker 5: you know places you go for like little blow bowtox

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Speaker 5: a little bit. But yeah, they I've been doing some research.

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Speaker 5: That's another thing I did this weekend, researching peptides because

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Speaker 5: I want to do something.

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Speaker 1: Well once you let's let's bring it all to the

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Speaker 1: table when we get our information together, let's bring the peptides.

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Speaker 1: And it's been a clinic for our girlies guys.

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, y'all. So there are no sense this week.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we have two amazing guests on We Talked Back

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Speaker 5: this week.

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Speaker 4: We have William Howell and Laura Diane Kasmin. Okay.

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Speaker 5: They are the producers of the film Cycle.

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Speaker 4: And that's ce why cl Cycle.

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Speaker 5: It is an investigative documentary about the murder of an

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Speaker 5: eighteen year old on June teenth, Okay, in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 5: in Racing, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: So they did this beautiful film. I won't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's real life, Okay, So we want

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Speaker 5: to relve into that this week, y'all stay tuned. All right, y'all,

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Speaker 5: thank you for joining us for a new episode of

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Speaker 5: We Talk Back. Today, we're talking about the film Cycle.

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Speaker 5: It's a powerful investigative documentary that explores a twenty nineteen

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Speaker 5: killing of eighteen year old Tyresse West and Racing Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: So this case was largely unfolded without any national attention

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Speaker 5: or accountability from the officer involved, and oftentimes there's a

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Speaker 5: huge difference between the official narratives and the actual lived

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Speaker 5: experiences of the people involved. This conversation is about art,

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Speaker 5: it's about justice, it's about the media, and it's about

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Speaker 5: the Cycle. The cycle of that violence, the cycle of

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Speaker 5: the headlines, the cycle of outrage, and the cycle of forgetting.

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Speaker 5: So we're talking about responsibility of storytelling with the producers

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Speaker 5: of Cycle, y'all today joining us. When we talk back,

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Speaker 5: we have Laura, Diane Kisman, and William Howell, the producers

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Speaker 4: Thank y'all for joining me talked back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, you guys.

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Speaker 6: For real, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 4: All Right, y'all, so let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: So the question becomes, what does it mean to turn

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Speaker 5: real life tragedy into film? Because is it awareness, is

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Speaker 5: it activism, is it accountability? Or is it another just

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Speaker 5: another way for more trauma to be consumed?

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Speaker 3: To me, I mean when we started this, and that's

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Speaker 3: the exact reason why I felt like it wasn't for

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Speaker 3: me to try to complete this film because us as

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Speaker 3: our own anger. And I knew that that's all that

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Speaker 3: six seven year process to making this kind of powerful documentary.

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Speaker 6: I had no idea what it took to even make

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Speaker 3: And so at the time, I just I understood the

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Speaker 3: visuals and videos that actually made them look like stars.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, I understood just the power and the

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Speaker 3: you're talking about you have the new cycle running this

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Speaker 3: story twenty four to seven of him having a gun

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Speaker 3: and they're tearing down his character, it was very important

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Speaker 3: for us to tell it from our side, and so

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Speaker 3: I understood it from you know, that small level. But

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Speaker 3: to have somebody like Laura to come in and to

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Speaker 3: be blessed to be able to actually learn what it

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Speaker 3: took to make a film this powerful, to have to

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Speaker 3: like those are things that I would have never been

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Speaker 6: And it was like just a necessity.

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Speaker 3: I needed her and for her to you know, to

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Speaker 3: appear in my life, it was everything to this film.

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Speaker 1: So saying that how did she appear like, how did

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Speaker 3: Well, it was crazy because like I'm literally I'm just

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Speaker 3: crazy part is that, like it was starting to me

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Speaker 3: it was viral, right because I live in this small

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Speaker 3: town and it's like you get three four thousand people

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Speaker 4: What I mean.

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Speaker 3: So it was like it was just this instant where

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Speaker 3: all of the local rappers and my business partner, Jesse Booker,

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Speaker 3: who was also he's a white man, you know, and

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Speaker 3: but Booker is very very tied to the inner city

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Speaker 6: Know, everybody really knows him.

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Speaker 3: So our relationship was able to flourish through hip hop,

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Speaker 3: and the word actually came through Jesse, like we have

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Speaker 3: a producer and she's she didn't know that this happened,

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Speaker 3: but like we literally rolled past the crime scene that

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Speaker 3: wondering what that happened. And so after all this time,

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Speaker 3: she just really felt like Laura was the one to

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Speaker 1: Here, Laura, what connected you? I'm sorry, Laura, what connected

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So, as Will mentioned are, the mutual friend that like

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Speaker 2: thought to introduce us is my good friend Amanda Thaxton,

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Speaker 2: who eventually became a producer on the project as well.

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Speaker 2: And she had been familiar with Will. She's friends with

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Speaker 2: Jesse Booker, who was Will's business partner, and and so

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Speaker 2: she facilitated the introduction. And it started as like like, girl,

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Speaker 2: you won't believe what actually happened the night that you

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Speaker 2: And because I was out with her in Racine the

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Speaker 2: night that Tyrese was killed. I I'm from racing. I

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Speaker 2: was born and raised in racing, and I rarely go

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Speaker 2: just happened to be at a bar like maybe a

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Speaker 7: We so.

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Speaker 2: It was it was the night before. It's pretty sure like,

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Speaker 2: oh we got the box. So I wouldn't consider that

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Speaker 2: a Juneteenth celebration. But the night before her and I

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Speaker 2: were we left the bar at like one thirty, which

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Speaker 2: was when we later found out that this all went down.

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Speaker 2: And all we knew at the time is that we

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Speaker 2: were re routed because the police perimeter was very large

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Speaker 2: and there was it was very silent, like it was

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Speaker 2: it was eerie, and I just remember her and I

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Speaker 2: just getting this kind of like chill of like, what

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Speaker 2: the fuck is.

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Speaker 7: Going on right now?

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Speaker 2: It just it was a lot of police presence and

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Speaker 2: everyone was was eerily silent, and and like Will said,

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Speaker 2: I live in Milwaukee, thirty minutes north of Racine, and

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Speaker 4: Have you ever worked? Can y'all not dare me when

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Speaker 6: Just being honest, I never pictured a white woman, you know.

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Speaker 6: Film, and that's why I wanted her leadership on this.

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Speaker 6: Reaching for her hand.

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Speaker 3: I want to see her reaction to a black man

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Speaker 6: It all either.

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Speaker 2: So I would attribute a lot of I was just

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, shortly after we like started doing

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Speaker 5: You know, Walter Scott was murdered by the police here

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Speaker 5: I want to know, like, at what moment, William, did

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Speaker 3: I can truly say the moment that I knew is

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Speaker 3: the moment that I stood over Tyressee's casket, like I

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Speaker 6: So I know a lot of killers, you know.

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 3: Well, lord, did you want to kind of go through

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, why don't you set it up that it

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Speaker 6: Not the police.

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Speaker 3: He's on the other side of the town where the

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Speaker 1: And was this a motorbike or was this a child

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Speaker 5: We made sure he watched the film so we could

443
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Speaker 5: have you know all the details surrounding the murder.

444
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Speaker 4: I'm Tyreas and one part you mentioned the dog.

445
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 5: The officer said that this was in a situation where

446
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 5: the dog would have need to be involved. So I'm

447
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: trying to figure out at what point did the gun

448
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: need to be involved in And I think he attempted

449
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 5: supposedly to tase Tyrese and.

450
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Speaker 4: The taser wasn't.

451
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 5: Working or he didn't aim properly or whatever it was.

452
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Speaker 5: And there was supposedly also a weapon found on the scene.

453
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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, so there was a correct, So there was

454
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Speaker 2: a weapon recovered from the scene. It was allegedly Tyrese's

455
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: based of course, on what the officer said. But as

456
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Speaker 2: you see in the film, and we tried to break

457
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: down those series of events, you know, through a lot

458
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: of different layers so you can understand the context of

459
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: what's happening in that moment, and to also be clear

460
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Speaker 2: about the version of events that you're receiving and how

461
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: they is so much great area surrounding you know what

462
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: is being said, and you know, one key thing to

463
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: highlight is that that officer Eric Geezy was on the

464
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: crime scene for two whole minutes by himself before the

465
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: first responding officer arrived. So after he kills him, he

466
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 2: has two minutes on that scene by himself. And what

467
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: he's doing in those two minutes is that's only God knows.

468
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Speaker 5: So how did you guys, how do you balance like

469
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 5: the storytelling with the facts, right, because you can't just

470
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 5: come out and say that the police planted this weapon

471
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Speaker 5: on the.

472
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Speaker 4: Scene, right.

473
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Speaker 5: But I kind of think that the film it does

474
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 5: something where, you know, it kind of gives you more

475
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 5: information than you would.

476
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Speaker 4: Actually receive in a court room, you know.

477
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 5: So how did you guys have to consult legal experts

478
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 5: and stuff like that to make this film?

479
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Speaker 6: Yes?

480
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Speaker 3: I mean and actually, like when we first started, Laura

481
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: had connected us with the what is that the journalism

482
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: people over Wisconsin. Like we really made sure that we were,

483
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: you know, crossing every t and dot in every eye

484
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 3: because like you have to have the facts in this case.

485
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: We didn't want to just I said, if I wanted

486
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: to just give an account of how I felt, then

487
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: you know, I could have just created this angry film

488
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: by having somebody like Laura who truly understood journalism, who

489
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: was teaching me that No, even though will you feel

490
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 3: this way and I understand that you feel strongly that

491
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: Tyreche didn't have this gun, we still had to place

492
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: the gun in basically in Tyreche's possession to prove that

493
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: it wasn't there. We couldn't just say that it wasn't

494
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: when you know what I mean, the facts in the case, yes,

495
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: story right, and so like yes, having her to even

496
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: understand that level of investigation and to be able to

497
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 3: go in there and to stick by it, I mean,

498
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: that was everything for me.

499
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 6: And being able to even peel back that layer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And in the beginning, so when Tyresee was killed, it

502
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: took the city of Racine and the village of Mount Pleasant,

503
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: who intersect by the way. So it was a Mount

504
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: Pleasant officer who killed Tyrese. And it was investigated by

505
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: the city of Racine, which is in the backyard of

506
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Speaker 2: Mount Pleasant. And it took racing ninety six days for

507
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: the district attorney to issue a charging decision against the officer,

508
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: which is an extraordinarily long time when you stack it

509
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: against any other case like this. So it took ninety

510
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: six days for them to ultimately decide to not charged

511
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: the officer with anything, which at this point everyone was expecting.

512
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: Two months after that, Monique west Tyrese's mom filed a

513
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: federal civil suit in December of twenty nineteen, with the

514
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: help of prosecutors based in Chicago who have a firm

515
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: where they take on cases like this, and so because

516
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 2: of our relationship with Monique through this process, we worked

517
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: pretty closely at the time with the prosecutors who were

518
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: prosecuting the civil federal suit against the officer, and it

519
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: was through that that we got access to records that

520
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: we were being denied through Foyer requests that were not

521
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: being fulfilled. It was because of their power of subpoena

522
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: that we were able to get certain records much more

523
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: efficiently and at least fulfilled to some degree, because largely

524
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: we were getting silence from both Mount Pleasant and Racine

525
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: throughout the U investigation, and that is the only reason

526
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: that we were able to get the video deposition of

527
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: the officer testifying under oath, which is typically not recorded

528
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: and it's typically not available for public viewing. So one

529
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: really unique thing about Cycle is that it offers the

530
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: audience this behind closed doors look into what these officer

531
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: depositions are typically like.

532
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Speaker 7: And the only.

533
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: Reason that that footage exists is because we asked the

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Speaker 2: prosecutors to hire a court videographer to do that for

535
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: us and so, and because we knew going into it

536
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: that none of and we asked. Of course, every interview

537
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: request was denied by every officer on the scene, the

538
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: district attorney, the police chief, and we obviously knew we

539
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: were not going to get er Gheezy ourselves to talk.

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00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 7: About what happened.

541
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Speaker 2: And so what was you know, even better than we

542
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: could have even imagined, was getting a three hour deposition

543
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: of him under oath telling his version of events.

544
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Speaker 1: Now, with including that in the documentary, did y'all feel

545
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: any pushback or tension from police department or anybody in

546
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: your community communities for putting that into the documentary?

547
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Speaker 3: To me, I really, I truly believe that it's been

548
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: the most vital part for us and just breaking open

549
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: that case. And like I think people truly see the

550
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: guilt on his face and you hear the guilt within

551
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: his voice. I love the way that the prosecutor was

552
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: able to lure him in to the conversation. And so

553
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: to me though, I think that is the perfect ending.

554
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: It is perfect the way Lord wanted to kind.

555
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Speaker 6: Of like use it. It was just it was so

556
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 6: perfect to me.

557
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: And I think it was her patience and her persistence.

558
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: It's the only reason why this film wasn't already you know,

559
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: on the festival circuit or on some streaming platform like,

560
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Speaker 3: which is what I was honestly pushing for at the time, Like,

561
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: because you have these years going past, and I'm thinking, like,

562
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna care anymore. But I just can't even imagine

563
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: if to have this film out there without that deposition video,

564
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: without that evidence of him incriminating his own self.

565
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think dam You were basically saying, like asking

566
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: if there was any retaliation from.

567
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: The police, right, was there any retaliation or any pushback

568
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: from anybody in your community, especially you, Laura, being a

569
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Speaker 1: white woman, There are there anybody that felt like they

570
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: were not an ally to what you were creating based

571
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: on culture and race.

572
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: I would say that everyone who was receiving the repeated

573
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: freedom of information requests from me and my team at

574
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: the time were not allies. No, no, Raccene in Mount

575
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Pleasant was incredibly resistant to giving us any information. The police,

576
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: particularly the Mount Pleasant Police Department, found very interesting ways

577
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: of letting us know that they were clocking us at

578
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: various points in the investigation. You know, early on, you know,

579
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: shortly after we released the first trailer for Cycle on

580
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: the one year anniversary of Tyresee's death in twenty twenty,

581
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks after George Floyd had been killed.

582
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: You know, Raccene was on high alert at that time.

583
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: You know, the people were back in the street, you know,

584
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: yelling Tyresee's name because of the uprising that was going

585
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: on in that moment in the summer of twenty twenty.

586
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: And one thing that you know, does get revealed in

587
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: the film, which is a particular point of tension on

588
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: Will's end, is his you know, I'll let him tell

589
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: this part of the story, but his personal connection to

590
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: the police chief and the tension that that caused, and

591
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: so yes, at every point, and I don't even want

592
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: to say it was you know, like it was a

593
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: systemic tension. Yes, there was a racial tension, but it

594
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: was so much deeper than that, given the depth and

595
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: the history of corruption in Racing County.

596
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, will I wanted to ask you, what does

597
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: things given look like at your house right now? Because

598
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: I know and shit probably kind of wow right now.

599
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Well, you know, when you're black, you know how it

600
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: is like, you know, you got your mama side of

601
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: the family, then you got your daddy and so by

602
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: my father not ever really being present in my life,

603
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: and I will say, like he was a great man.

604
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't a great father, but he was a very

605
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: loving man. And so my mother like never said one

606
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: bad word about my father to this day, I can't

607
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: even really talk bad about this man, right, But we

608
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: never really had a relationship. And so of course you

609
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: can imagine my uncle, the chief of police, as his brother.

610
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: Our relationship was, you know, pretty much the same. But

611
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: when you're talking about my mother also, you're talking about

612
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: a career criminal. So I still remember when coming home

613
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: from a banquet as a kid and my house is

614
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: being raided, you know what I mean, and my mother

615
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: is going to jail, and this is this is the

616
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: beginning of like this is.

617
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Speaker 6: The story of my childhood.

618
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Speaker 3: And my uncle has never made herself present to say, hey, look,

619
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: you know you shouldn't hate police because of this what

620
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: I never really had an understanding for like what was happening,

621
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Speaker 3: and he would never be present. So as I grew,

622
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 3: I think that there was an automatic kind of disdain

623
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Speaker 3: between us, and so for me, I don't really feel

624
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: like there was like this amounted pressure coming against me

625
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: because I was felt like I was mounting the pressure

626
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: against them.

627
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Speaker 6: I didn't care. It was me understanding that we have

628
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 6: the same last name.

629
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Speaker 3: This is the only leverage that I have to use

630
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: to get their attention and to make everybody pay attention.

631
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Speaker 6: And so that's what I'm gonna do, Like if.

632
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: My life hangs in the balance, like I have a

633
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: son here, like I would rather die fighting and make

634
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: this story even bigger because of that than to just

635
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: sit back and do nothing.

636
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Well, go ahead, it's your.

637
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: Turn that knows the delay between a connection too, So

638
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 5: we just never know. So what I was going to

639
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 5: ask Laura havn't been involved with this film, did it

640
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: change how you see law enforcement.

641
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: As a white woman in America?

642
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 6: Good question?

643
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: Oh whatever, you identify, ask, because I don't identify as black,

644
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: So what you know, Laura?

645
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 4: Sorry? Assuming?

646
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 6: Right?

647
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: So, yeah, did it change how you being this closely

648
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 5: involved in this situation?

649
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 4: Like, did it change how you saw law enforcement?

650
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: Because from our perspective, a lot of people use it

651
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 5: as an extension of their affairs or their insecurities about

652
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: other groups of people.

653
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: To be honest, it didn't change my view of law

654
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: enforcement because I had been paying attention for you know,

655
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: enough time leading up to that that this was very

656
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: in line with what I was expecting, you know, the

657
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: fact that it had happened before in racing a year

658
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: prior to Tyrese And it's part of what honestly made

659
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: me a little bit crazy when you know, during COVID

660
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: in this like uprising was happening, and it's like all

661
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: of these you know, so many of my like white

662
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: friends were kind of like having these kind of like

663
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: faux awakenings on social media that this is an issue.

664
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: And part of what was driving me to do this

665
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: film was to prove that, like, this is not a

666
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: new issue. The fact that you know, we're not talking

667
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: about Trayvon martin An anymore or Walter Scott or you know,

668
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: like the countless names that have led to tyrone and

669
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: all the names that we have never heard before.

670
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 7: Is was really the fuel.

671
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: For me to show, like my family members that like, no, this,

672
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: this is not just an issue right now, but it

673
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: has been this ever since our country was founded. You know, like,

674
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: this is not a new thing, and I'm not going

675
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: to pretend like I, you know, was walking into it

676
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: with all of the historical contexts that I now have

677
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: because of the intentional research done on this film, But

678
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: at the time, it more reinforced the belief I had

679
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: at the time about law enforcement rather than changed my

680
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: opinion on it absolutely.

681
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: Now, I just wanted to clarify because AJ said that

682
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: she does not identify as black, and I don't want

683
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: y'all to think that she thinks she's white. She's actually

684
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: very translucent. It's see through, and like a that's.

685
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: Correct, right, I'm not see through, Okay, black is actually

686
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: as of color.

687
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm not black. Okay. I am an

688
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: Indigenous American, That's what I am. And I know what

689
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: I am.

690
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I got it wrong too. The whole time I

691
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: thought she was translucent, so.

692
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: Not trans.

693
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about Tyresee a little bit.

694
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: I know, you know, he was on the way to

695
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: see a girl, and that's just like heartwrenching because he's

696
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: just a little young guy liking a girl, you know.

697
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to give our listeners, like I

698
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, humanize this young black boy, like

699
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about who he was, Like,

700
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: what's his personality? What do you know about him that

701
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: you could share with us?

702
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: You know what's kergy for me is that I never

703
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to get to meet Tyresee or no Tyresee,

704
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: but his father and I were very close friends at

705
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: that age, and I could see everything in him, like

706
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: it literally like when he came up my timeline, it

707
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: was just his father like that.

708
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 6: That is how much they look alike.

709
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: And so like, yeah, I never got to experience Tyrese,

710
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 3: but right away from like when people found out who

711
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: it was they got killed, And when I seen the

712
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: response of the youth and the way the kids talked

713
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: about him, and even like some of the videos that

714
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: we started to get from Monique and like the stories

715
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: that she would share to me, like I it made

716
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: me tell Lauria It was the one thing that I

717
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: told Laura was that I need a moment in this

718
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: documentary where it feels like tyreeche comes off the screen

719
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: like I need him to live again, where it feels

720
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: like he is there to tell his own story. And

721
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: I truly feel like she gave us that moment in

722
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: this film where it feels as if like Tyresee is

723
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: still alive, but unfortunately I don't really know much about

724
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: him personally.

725
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: How was Tyree portrayed in early media coverage.

726
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: In early media coverage, he was portrayed the way that

727
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: you would expect. You know, it's the police getting ahead

728
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: of the narrative, putting out a press release immediately saying

729
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: that this man had a weapon, even though he was

730
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old kid on a bike, and that

731
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: was not proven at that point or at any point,

732
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: and the media, of course, just is racing for who

733
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: can push the story out the fastest, and so they're

734
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: not as concerned about fact checking or you know, looking

735
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: at this press release issued by the offending police department

736
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: with a critical eye, and so they're literally regurgitating what

737
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: the police are telling them. And that was a really

738
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: important moment in the film. For us to highlight, particularly

739
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: in these smaller communities where this happens with such regularity

740
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: that doesn't get national attention. You know, this isn't La

741
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: or New York or Atlanta. You know, this is Racing Wisconsin.

742
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: And the ability for the police and the local media

743
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: to control how everyone views this thing with, you know,

744
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: instantly is very powerful, and so part of the goal

745
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: of the film was to strip that back and to

746
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: help people understand like how these headlines are formed and

747
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: shaped in the first place. And so of course they're

748
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: they're you know, grasping at straws trying to you know,

749
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: pull out you know, you know, past discretions that he

750
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: made while he was you know, at that point he's eighteen,

751
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, when he's like fifteen sixteen.

752
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 7: You know, these like.

753
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: Petty, petty crimes are being reported on in the news,

754
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: while this officer, who is decorated for his abuse of power,

755
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: is not even in the conversation in that way.

756
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: Yes, what's happening, Wait to the.

757
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: I have a cat who climbs my plan.

758
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: I saw, like, I don't know what's happening right there.

759
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, No, it's okay, it's okay.

760
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: You were really trying to be discreet about it. Sorry, y'a, no,

761
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: it's okay, no, but but yeah, so it's it's as

762
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: you would expect. And one thing that again we share

763
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: in the film is how this the official narrative of

764
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: what happened with Tyresee that night was shaped by the

765
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 2: district attorney and the one officer you know who killed

766
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: him is also the only officer on the scene who's

767
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: able to tell you from his point of view what happened.

768
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: You know, what gets thrown into the mix of this

769
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: narrative is something that had happened earlier that day, where

770
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: Tyrese and some friends were you know, got pulled over

771
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: for being in a stolen car. We see the friend

772
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: of tyree is in the film tell you the context

773
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: of what had happened that day and how Tyrese was

774
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: the one telling him like, bro, this is not a

775
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: good idea, and he's like, well, you're not gonna walk,

776
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: are you, And so Tyrese reluctantly gets in this car

777
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: that's later reported stolen, and later that detail which the

778
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: officer who killed him had no idea that that had

779
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: happened in a separate county earlier that day. But yet

780
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: that is being used to try to defame Tyrese's exactly,

781
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: and in Tyresee's mentor in the film has a really

782
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: great line where you know, why is it that as

783
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: soon as a young black kid gets killed by the police,

784
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: you try to find a reason of why he's dead.

785
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Like that's so fucked up, and that is exactly what

786
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: happened in this case.

787
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Can I ask y'all, what does break in the Cycle

788
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: mean to you both personally?

789
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: I mean, after going through this entire process, like it's

790
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: it's so much bigger than what's on the surface, so

791
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: to speak, Like even manor Laura, like we had to

792
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: fight through so much to tell this story, like just

793
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: being a black man and a white woman wanting to

794
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: stand next to each other, Like that's a problem a

795
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: lot of places in America, And so like there's all

796
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: of these cycles that you see that need to be broken,

797
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: But the first thing that you have to do is

798
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: break the cycles within yourself.

799
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: And so like there was.

800
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: Times where you know, even I was fighting against my

801
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: own trauma, my own things that I may feel against

802
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: white people that was causing you know, static or whatnot

803
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: between men and Laura and causing you know, not this big,

804
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: huge problem, but it was clear that there's this misunderstanding

805
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: between us where that needed to be kind of learning,

806
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: and it was us growing over time, learning and loving

807
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: each other, really learning to love each other as people.

808
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 6: That allowed us to.

809
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: Come to a place where we can even begin to

810
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: break those cycles with than ourselves. And so that's what

811
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 3: we begin to see more than anything. Like I spent

812
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: the first couple of years like angry, just so angry,

813
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 3: and I want justice and I won't and I was

814
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: trying to make this man out to be a monster.

815
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: But in the midst of that, you all you really

816
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: doing is just making a monster of yourself. Like you know,

817
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: it's not up to us to create this big ultimate change.

818
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 3: That's God's. That is God's job. It is my job

819
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: to play my little part that he gave me. And

820
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: so I think that's where I had to learn the

821
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: most inside myself and stop trying to like feel like

822
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: I had to kind of fix the world and fix

823
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: my part, fix what I'm doing.

824
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 6: And be able to connect.

825
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: So like when I meet somebody like Laura, I'm not

826
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: angry and I'm saying, all this white woman, get away

827
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: from me.

828
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 6: You can't tell our story.

829
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: My mind and my heart is open to a point

830
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: that I'm saying like maybe God is saying that this

831
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: is what it takes, that it's not your story, it's

832
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: our story.

833
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's powerful.

834
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Laura.

835
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: I mean, one thing that I love to highlight, especially

836
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: for anyone that has seen the film, and it hopefully

837
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: this you know, allures people to see it whenever they

838
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to. But you know, throughout the film,

839
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: you hear Will's words kind of offer this poetic narration

840
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: throughout the film that at these key transition points, and

841
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: Will's words are basically like writing prompts that I gave

842
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: him in increments like throughout the editing process, and they

843
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: were recorded in one take, you know, with him like

844
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: sitting down and just kind of like, you know, just

845
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: like whatever was on his heart is what came out,

846
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: and that became the ultimate like narration of the film.

847
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: And what's really key to know is that that didn't

848
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: happen linearly, is that that wasn't planned in terms of

849
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: how that would all come together. And Will's narration throughout

850
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: the film really represents the journey that both of both

851
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: he and I took that he just alluded to. I mean,

852
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: this has been an almost seven year process now for

853
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: both of us, and so much of that is mirrored

854
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: in what you see and experience in Cycle. And you know,

855
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: it's a subtlety, and people may think that like it

856
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: was done intentionally, but you know, you hear a shift

857
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: in Will's tone as he's delivering these words in this narration,

858
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: And that's because they were recorded years apart, and the

859
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: final words that he leaves us with in the film

860
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: were literally recorded a month before we had our world

861
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: premiere at the Milwaukee Film Festival last May. And and

862
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: so it wasn't up until that moment that it felt

863
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: like we had the the true conclusion that was meant

864
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: for Cycle until that moment. And and it's because like

865
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: the revelations that he's having in real time are being

866
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: captured in those words that were not pre written, Like

867
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: that's that's all like a genuine reflection of his personal

868
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: journey and in a lot of ways my personal journey

869
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: through that. And and I neither of us could have

870
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: predicted that the ultimate takeaway in terms of how to

871
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: break the cycle is to start with the cycles within ourselves,

872
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: and the cycles that we can influence in our own circles,

873
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: and that is was so profound to me. I just

874
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: remember when he sent me like the file of that

875
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: final bit of narration that closes the film, Like I like,

876
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: I was just yeah, I almost like dropped to my knees.

877
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: I was.

878
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: I was just like, like, after all of this time,

879
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: like this is like the representation of this journey that

880
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: we've been on together. And I couldn't have pictured a

881
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: more beautiful ending because it's really it's not an ending,

882
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: it's an invitation. It's it's a way to extend. And

883
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: this is what we really want from cycles, for cycle

884
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: to be this invitation for people to to think differently

885
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: and to have a deeper understanding of you know, this

886
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: issue that only gets talked about in a pretty like

887
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: shallow way every time it hits the news cycle at

888
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: least the mainstream new cycle, and it's and it's clipped,

889
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: you know, like how deep we're actually able to go

890
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: and understand of like what, you know, what has preceded

891
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: this up to this.

892
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 7: Moment in time in our history?

893
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: And so so I just I always love highlighting that

894
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: because it is so reflective of not just like what

895
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: we hope for cycle in terms of how to break

896
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: the cycle, but is reflective of our own personal journeys.

897
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it?

898
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

899
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 5: Do you think independent films are or more trusted now

900
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 5: than news outlets?

901
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 6: Oh?

902
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: I definitely believe that because of social media, you know,

903
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: social media influencers, us being able to connect even like

904
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: with Steve, O're telling me about this podcast here, like dude,

905
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 3: like these two like.

906
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 6: They are the ones they on fire.

907
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: I believe that, you know what I mean, I believe

908
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: that that trust and that you know, in people being

909
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: able to pick who they see in them and when

910
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: you deliver information and we can take it as true

911
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: and like okay, like these are the people that we

912
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: want to filter our information from.

913
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 6: I think that that's a beautiful thing that people.

914
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: You know, there's so many different outlets and everybody has

915
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: the opportunity to choose who and what they believe, you know,

916
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: or what the truly.

917
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

918
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: Uh So do you guys think storytelling now is like

919
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 5: the new form of activism essentially?

920
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: Because it's Yeah, it works.

921
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 5: A different feeling in you when you watch a film

922
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 5: like this versus watching a news outlet.

923
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I I think that I for a long

924
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: time have viewed the sort of like the soul attraction.

925
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: I've always had to this work, to to documentary work

926
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: in journalism as fulfilling that it's I mean, because it's

927
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: a mixture of art and activism, but it's really you know,

928
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: how you choose to apply it. And and for me,

929
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: I mean, with everything happening in the world right now,

930
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: and it just feels like it's just like a constant,

931
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, barrage of things that are vying for our

932
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: attention at every moment, and you know, in so much

933
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: of it, especially with social media, is distraction. I married

934
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. And so with a film like ours

935
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: that took you know, seven years for us to be

936
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: here talking with you right now, and the time and

937
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: the thoughtfulness and the intention that it went into every

938
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: single cut, every frame that you see in Cycle is intentional.

939
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: Every word, the pacing of it, the music, shout out

940
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: a murtal girlfriend, you know, everything was so intentional with

941
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: this film. And and you know a way that I have,

942
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: even in like this present time, kind of reconciled not

943
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: being like quote unquote active in like responding and reacting

944
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: to every horrible thing that comes up on my timeline.

945
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: I have to ground myself in reminding myself that, at

946
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: least for me, like Cycle is my resistance, like is

947
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: my form of resistance right now, And and I think

948
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: that we need more of that, like more people dedicated

949
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: to carrying you know, one flag fully, you know, and

950
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: seeing it all the way through, rather than you know,

951
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: these like flashes in the pan where no one even

952
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: knows what's going on or can't remember what happened last week.

953
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean Cycle is a you know,

954
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: we were in it for the long haul with this one.

955
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: I have one last question. I have one last question,

956
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: all right, for viewers who feel moved or even unsettled

957
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: after watching this, what do y'all say they should do next?

958
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: Well, for us, it's all about just opening up that

959
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 3: door with people feel comfortable taking that next step, which

960
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: for us, it is trying to build a coalition, a

961
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: coalition of people who feel like, if you love this

962
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: filmly like we need to spread this word. It was

963
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: like what at our last Q and A, I explained

964
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: to them that to me, it's just like installing a

965
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 3: new program. And so if all of us was here

966
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: and we wanted to do this right, here. If one

967
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: of us didn't have a program then that person wouldn't

968
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: even be able to connect and wouldn't be able to

969
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: be here.

970
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 6: And that is how I truly feel about Cycle.

971
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: And that in those moments when you have a kid

972
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 3: like Tyrese and you have this cop and he hits

973
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: this light and these are the only two people here

974
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: in this dark area, like there is no understanding there.

975
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: Tyrese when he sees the lights, he's going to think

976
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: every horrible thing in his mind about this cop. The

977
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: cop is gonna think every horrible thing about Tyrese. And

978
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: so there's no programming there. There's nothing where they're able

979
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: to connect in that moment. And to me, like that

980
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 3: is what psych represents. That's what Cycle becomes. If we're

981
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: able to present Cycle and put it into the lives

982
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: of a young eighteen ninety year old white kid who

983
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: doesn't know yet that he might become a police officer,

984
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: but even Cycle starts to inspire him to even go

985
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: down that line, then I feel like it is up

986
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: to us to change the programming, and the more that

987
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: we focused there, I believe that those things can happen.

988
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

989
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: Manof definitely a very heavy topic but I'm glad that

990
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: y'all came and shared with us. When I began watching

991
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: the film, you know, I felt pulled to the floor

992
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: with the heaviness, honestly, But as the film went on,

993
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: I left with a hopeful feeling. Is that what you

994
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: intended for the viewer? Yeah?

995
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, in the beginning, we you know, and

996
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: I've said this before, but like the film is such

997
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: a reflection of our own discovery of not only what

998
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: this film needed to be, you know, like the higher

999
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: purpose that we feel like this film needed to exist for,

1000
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: but also our real time discovery of how the system works.

1001
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1002
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 2: We went into it, you know, wanting for Monique West

1003
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: what she wanted at first, which was her day in

1004
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: court and to see this officer properly convicted and held

1005
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: accountable for what he had done to her son. But

1006
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: as the process went on, as the years went by,

1007
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 2: and this federal case dragged out in court the way

1008
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: that it did, you know, one of the most sobering

1009
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: realizations that I had is that that hope was never

1010
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: an option. It's not even baked into how the system

1011
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 2: is constructed in the first place. And the more people

1012
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: realize that the more we can have a more productive

1013
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: conversation politically legislatively about what needs to change, you know,

1014
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: uh in this country in order to prevent the frequency

1015
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: and the ease with which this shit happens all the

1016
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: fucking time. Most of the time you don't hear about it,

1017
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: just like with Tyresee's case. And the more we can

1018
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: put a spotlight on how the system is constructed, the

1019
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: more you people can't look at it the same way. Again,

1020
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: the more people can't stop short at banging their head

1021
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: against a wall. Every time that an officer isn't charged, Well,

1022
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: you have to understand that the likelihood of him being

1023
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: charged in the first place was little to none. Derek

1024
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: Chauvin was an exception. He was used as a you

1025
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: know that that was.

1026
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 6: Exception.

1027
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. The average case does not end

1028
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: with that outcome. And and I think that it is

1029
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: a disservice for families to you know, already be navigating

1030
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: this like horrendous tragedy where you're not given any level

1031
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: of support whatsoever and you have to like like dig

1032
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: like ridiculously deep for the endurance and the help that

1033
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 2: you need to even take it as far as moniquested

1034
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: only to realize that settling was your only option to

1035
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: begin with, and no one told her that, right, And

1036
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: so I think that lawsuit afterwards, So the lawsuit that

1037
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: was filed two months after Tyrese or the officer er

1038
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: Gheezi was not charged by the Racine DA, that lawsuit

1039
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: dragged on for like three and a half years, and

1040
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: and and what ended up happening is that you know,

1041
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: it's either after all of this time, you risk walking

1042
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: away with nothing, or you take a very menial settlement

1043
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: that they're offering you, and at that point you're exhausted,

1044
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Monique, she says at the end of the film,

1045
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: like like Laura, I'm tired, like I like, all I

1046
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: want is peace, you know, for my kids, you know,

1047
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: for us to live in a in a home that

1048
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: they've always wanted and to just you know, reclaim some

1049
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: sense of joy and happiness. And Will says it so

1050
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: beautifully at the end of the film. We were never

1051
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: meant to be this angry. God never intended us to

1052
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: be this angry. You know, she never asked for this

1053
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: to begin with. So you know, it really is our

1054
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: hope that the film can also be like an instructional

1055
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: tool in a blueprint for people to follow as the

1056
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: bike wheel is taking you, you know, along this chronological

1057
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: journey of systemically how the cycle works, you know, for

1058
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: to only you know land where we started and for

1059
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: it to perpetuate, you know, we hope that it can

1060
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 2: be a blueprint for people to understand, you know, how

1061
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: the system was constructed in the first place.

1062
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is absolutely a great documentary. But I don't

1063
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 5: know if I you know, like Tammy said she was,

1064
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 5: she was full of full of hopefulness. That's definitely not

1065
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 5: how I'm always mad, right, So I try to pick

1066
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 5: and choose what I lend my energy to.

1067
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm mad about this type of stuff.

1068
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 5: I don't really internalize it as much anymore because I

1069
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 5: understand that there is nothing that will change the hearts

1070
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 5: of individual people. If they never experienced what Tyrese's mom experienced,

1071
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 5: their hearts will never There's no legislation that can change

1072
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 5: the hearts of the people. It literally has to be

1073
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 5: ass whoopings to change.

1074
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like, why something like this, like you

1075
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: could the pain was palpable, like you could feel it.

1076
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: How could you watch this and not like almost experience

1077
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: it yourself in a way, not truthfully, but in a

1078
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: way like it was so heart gripping that it just

1079
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: made me hope we see ourselves and other people would

1080
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: see it and feel it in a real way, not

1081
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: just like reading a news article like, oh this happened

1082
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: to another black man, damn, but really feel this shit.

1083
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Because that's what I felt when I watched it myself.

1084
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm a huge infant, and and that's not

1085
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: everybody's situations, so maybe I felt it in a different

1086
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: way that I want to fight.

1087
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

1088
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 6: That's that's exactly.

1089
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: That is exactly the emotion that it's conveyed to you know,

1090
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: to me as well, and in it in the same way,

1091
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm an empathy. But at the at the same time,

1092
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 3: this was what drew me to Laura. Her unders standing

1093
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: for what she is doing. You are experiencing ninety five

1094
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 3: minutes of what we experienced in six years.

1095
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 6: She is squeezing it into this.

1096
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: But her just her professionalism and her care and understanding

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Speaker 3: this story and treating our pain as a process instead

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Speaker 3: of just kind of throwing it at you.

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Speaker 6: It was just.

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Speaker 3: Beautifully done because she's emotionally at the same time watching

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Speaker 3: how traumatized I am in real life and realizing that

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Speaker 3: he doesn't even know that he's traumatized. He's literally just

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Speaker 3: living his life. So your anger, right, your anger is yours.

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Speaker 3: It's valid, and that's what drove me to stand for Tyrese.

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Speaker 3: If I didn't have this anger that I felt, then

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Speaker 3: I never stand up. I kind of just like you

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Speaker 3: know everybody else. And so your anger is a part

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Speaker 3: of what God has provided you in order to you know,

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Speaker 3: take you to that next step.

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Speaker 6: Your anger.

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Speaker 3: There's blessings in your as much as anyo happiness, and

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Speaker 3: you just have to kind of let things unfold in

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Speaker 3: life sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how can people view this documentary? Where can they

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Speaker 1: see it? Where can they like? How can people be

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Speaker 1: a part of the almost mental process that it took.

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Speaker 1: How can they how can they get this?

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Speaker 3: Well, for now, we're going to be focusing on the

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Speaker 3: festival circuit. We really want to be able to take

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Speaker 3: this film into a lot of these film festivals, and

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Speaker 3: we're having an opportunity like we, like I said, this

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Speaker 3: is Laura's first feature film. This is my first time

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Speaker 3: journeying into like the filmmaking space, and so like even

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Speaker 3: like going to Pan African, like you have.

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Speaker 6: All of these true black stars. You have black star power.

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Speaker 3: And this film is went from you know, us at

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Speaker 3: home here in Milwaukee Premiere into going into these different

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Speaker 3: places where you have true black star power in these

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Speaker 3: different people who are really prominent within the film industry,

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Speaker 3: and they are and like you know, really helping Cycle

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Speaker 3: to grow and to breathing us as filmmakers.

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Speaker 6: We are gaining the confidence to do these things.

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Speaker 3: Like me, last year, I wouldn't have been able to

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Speaker 3: sit here and do an interview or get on the news,

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Speaker 3: and like this entire process for the last ten months

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Speaker 3: has prepared me to kind of step into the spotlight

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Speaker 3: and kind of learn what it means to represent Cycle

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Speaker 3: and to be a filmmaker on this level and to

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Speaker 3: represent also some a company like laying Our Media and

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Speaker 3: Laura something that she has put her heart and her

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Speaker 3: life into and to you know, not take those things lightly.

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Speaker 1: Is there anywhere like IG or anywhere people can follow

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Speaker 1: the process or how can we keep up with the story?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so at Cycle Movie is our ig handle have

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Speaker 2: We also have a Facebook page. I always direct people

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Speaker 2: to Will's Facebook page, specifically since he's got such a

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Speaker 2: following there, but on ig at Cycle Movie is where

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Speaker 2: you can follow our festival journey and all the updates

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Speaker 2: coming out. And yeah, like we'll said, we're going to

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Speaker 2: continue on the festival circuit. You know, LA at the

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Speaker 2: Pan African Film Festival was our fifth festival. We premiered

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Speaker 2: at the Milwaukee Film Festival, took it to Brooklyn, took

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Speaker 2: it to Miami, took it to DC, and we were

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Speaker 2: just in LA a week ago. And coming up we

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Speaker 2: have some regional festivals and then and then we're going

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Speaker 2: to be Cycle will be in Seattle in April. So

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Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, right now, it's we're trying to

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Speaker 2: maximize the amount of people who can see it, who

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Speaker 2: can talk about it, who can create a demand for

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Speaker 2: it in their own cities, because we want to bring

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Speaker 2: Cycle everywhere that we can, wherever there's an audience for it,

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Speaker 2: And with that, we're hoping to you know, leverage that

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Speaker 2: demand for our ability to get it on a platform

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Speaker 2: that makes it accessible and widely seen by as many

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Speaker 2: people as possible.

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Speaker 7: That's the goal.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, Well I'll be praying for that to happen

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Speaker 1: for you guys for real. Thank y'all for coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. Thank y'all for what y'all doing, y'all or

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Speaker 1: doing the Lord's work, whether you know it or not,

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Speaker 1: you really are so I salute to you both seriously.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we really really appreciate y'all. Stay prayed up and

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Speaker 5: have weapons.

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Speaker 6: Thank y'all.

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Speaker 3: Thank y'all so much for everything though. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: All right, y'all, So if you enjoyed this episode, y'all,

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Speaker 5: tune in every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app or wherever

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Speaker 5: you get your podcast at. This is your co host

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Speaker 5: aj Holiday two point zero on Instagrams.

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Speaker 3: My name is William Howell and I am the co

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Speaker 3: director of the award winning film Cycle And. You can

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Speaker 3: contact us at Cycle Movie.

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Speaker 6: On Instagra.

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Speaker 2: And I am Laura Diane Cousmin. I am the director

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Speaker 2: and editor of Cycle And, like Will said, you can

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Speaker 2: follow us at Cycle Movie.

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Speaker 1: This official Tam bam. I love y'all so so very much.

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Speaker 1: Every week. I appreciate y'all for tuning in. Remember speak

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Speaker 1: now and never hold your peace period.

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