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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Move the sixth, DJ and Bucky with you

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Speaker 3: here in the middle of the week. We wanted to

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Speaker 3: give you a little bonus episode here what we're doing

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Speaker 3: today and what it is. It's a little best of

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Speaker 3: and it's focusing on what's going to be coming in

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Speaker 3: the future here in terms of the NFL Draft as

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Speaker 3: well as kind of more college focus.

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Speaker 2: So what we have as we have interviews with.

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Speaker 3: Two players, two prominent quarterbacks in the country and Drake

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Speaker 3: May from North Carolina, Michael Pennix who is in the

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Speaker 3: College Football Playoff from Washington, as well as head coaches

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley from USC, Mike Norvel from Florida State, Eli

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Speaker 3: Drinkwitz with Missouri, and Jedfish from Arizona. So let's get

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Speaker 3: this thing started here, and let's start off with our

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Speaker 3: first chat here and that is with North Carolina quarterback

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Speaker 3: Drake May. I'm curious about your leadership style, Drake. You

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Speaker 3: talk about being able to take on a little bit

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Speaker 3: more of that leadership role. Is there an example you

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Speaker 3: can give us of kind of you know, your style

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Speaker 3: in terms of leading these guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I think you know, I'm not one

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Speaker 4: of those guys gonna you know, say something you know

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Speaker 4: all the time out here and there.

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, big things aout leaderships.

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Speaker 4: You know, when someone you know, when I want to speak,

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Speaker 4: you know, I want everybody to kind of say, oh

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Speaker 4: man Drake speaking.

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Speaker 5: You know, it be something important. So that's my type

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Speaker 5: of thing. You know why.

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Speaker 4: It's the little things, you know, I think we have

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Speaker 4: you know, still have some guys jumping out sides on

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Speaker 4: some some snap counts. So the little things like that,

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Speaker 4: I'll get hot people, but main they just try to

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Speaker 4: be positive. And like I said, you know, when someone

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Speaker 4: you know, when someone's talking, I want I want to

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Speaker 4: be you know, all the heads of Turney like old

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Speaker 4: Man Drake's talking.

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Speaker 5: You know, he means something important. So that's my type

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Speaker 5: kind of That's kind of how I try to take

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Speaker 6: So, Drake, you had an opportunity to watch Sam Howe

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Speaker 6: kind of go through some of the same stuff, uh,

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Speaker 6: lead the team. A lot of attention on him on

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Speaker 6: the squad. What do you what did you learn from

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Speaker 6: watching him handle a lot of the stuff that you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Its blessing having a guy go through kind of the

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Speaker 4: same thing. I was kind of, you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: his right hand man. I was kind of just following

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Speaker 5: Really just how he handled first of all, how he

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Speaker 4: I think he's great with the locker and great locker room,

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Speaker 4: and I think that the media stuff. I think one

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Speaker 4: of the big things about Sam's first and ile thing

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Speaker 4: that defeed hunger kids in Orange County right in Chapel Hill.

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Speaker 4: I just goes to show him and just his his preparation.

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Speaker 4: That's the main thing with Sam. How much you know

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Speaker 4: he studied the game. I'm the student of the game,

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Speaker 4: and you know how I prepare each week. That's probably

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Speaker 4: the biggest biggest thing. And his mentality on the field,

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Speaker 4: you know, any the way he ran it is last years,

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Speaker 5: I think kind of those three things.

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Speaker 2: We always like to ask guys.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a three part question here, and you

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Speaker 3: get this these types of questions, as you know, whenever

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Speaker 3: the combine type question, but just for people to get

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Speaker 3: it's the three h's. So who's your hero, what's a

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Speaker 3: hardship that you've been through, and what's the highlight so

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Speaker 5: I think my hero, I probably say my Oldibar Luke.

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of having him come in here and

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Speaker 4: kind of had to work his way, you know, every day,

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Speaker 4: he had to treat practice like his games, kind of

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Speaker 4: earned the respect of coach Williams and the kind of

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Speaker 4: I think I think going transferring from kind of transition

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Speaker 4: my senior year to COVID my freshman year, hear, I

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Speaker 4: was obviously behind Sam, so I really had two years

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Speaker 4: hadn't got tackled. We don't get hit in practice, so

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Speaker 4: I hadn't got hitten in two years, and I rolling

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Speaker 4: there kind of kind of kind of losing myself and

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Speaker 4: not necessarily losing my confidence, but just having to, you know,

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Speaker 4: having two years out, you know, taking a snap of

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Speaker 4: the game that's always tough. And then you said the

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Speaker 4: last one was highlight highlight, I say, you know, winning

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Speaker 4: you know, those times you don't you don't you can't

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Speaker 4: just having funny moments in the hot tub, cold tub,

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Speaker 4: just just fun times with the guys. You know, those

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Speaker 4: are some highlights that you always look back. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think some of the games, you know, game win,

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Speaker 6: So it's funny to talk about the relations you make.

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Speaker 6: When I was a freshman at Carolina, your dad was

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Speaker 6: a g A. Your dad was supervising study hall. But

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Speaker 2: Let's throw the ball around a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so your dad always wanted us to go to

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Speaker 6: the term. But the other thing that you your dad loved.

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Speaker 6: He loved to go to wooling and play a little

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Speaker 6: Now I gotta ask you at that that may household,

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Speaker 6: like divvy it up, who's winning?

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Speaker 2: How do y'all play two on two or whatever?

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Speaker 6: Like your dad on the team and the team which

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Speaker 6: your dad win or not?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? My dad?

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Speaker 4: I think you know my dad and my mom they're

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Speaker 4: they're both you know, as competitive. They get themselves you know.

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Speaker 4: The big thing is my dad. He's he's getting old.

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Speaker 4: He looks about like my right guard right now. He's

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Speaker 4: he's got a bad hit.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Back in the day during lunch break, he used to

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Speaker 4: to say he was a killer, and he'd love you

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Speaker 4: and talk to me about time stores where he'd go

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Speaker 5: One on one. He loves it. So we try to do,

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Speaker 5: you know, as my as my brothers. We all got over.

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Speaker 4: He just said TV two and my dad just kind

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Speaker 5: I hit him with the crossover or something.

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Speaker 4: The last time I saw my dad in the court,

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Speaker 4: you know, since then, he's he's just a rebounder.

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Speaker 5: Really when we're shooting, when Luke shooting.

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Speaker 3: Really all right, Buck, it was great to catch up

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Speaker 3: with your tar heel there. Drake May somebody. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be fascinating to watch as we go through the process again.

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Speaker 3: Not going to see him in the bowl game, he

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Speaker 3: has decided to set that one out, but we will

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Speaker 3: get a chance to visit with him again as we

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Speaker 3: march towards the NFL Draft. Speaking of which quarterback with

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Speaker 3: first of all, for those that don't know, I think

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Speaker 3: your story. Uh, you know, you know your your journey

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Speaker 3: that you've been on has been quite incredible. But is

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Speaker 8: So for me coming out of high school, I wasn't

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Speaker 7: That's where I met coach Mike the Board and Nick Sheridan.

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Speaker 8: You know, they he was the o C and Nick

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Speaker 8: all the way throughout my high school career and leading

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Speaker 8: another home. And at that time, Coach Sheridan and coach

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Speaker 8: And you know, Coach Sheridan, he was always a guy

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Speaker 7: To build something special. You know.

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Speaker 8: It wasn't you know, the big winning program there at

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Speaker 8: me to after graduating from Indiana, you know, I made

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Speaker 2: Where did you have it? Look?

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Speaker 6: That discussion was fascinating, but it was before Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 3: I guess first question for me is, you know, how

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Speaker 11: No, Absolutely, And because it's about the journey and who

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Speaker 11: it's about where we're going. And you know that's a

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Speaker 11: big part of you know, our story is you know,

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Speaker 11: we've been through some challenging times we've had to had

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Speaker 11: to work through and and you know you'll rise up

444
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Speaker 11: in times we've been knocked down, but the experiences have

445
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Speaker 11: been really special. And who I get to do it

446
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Speaker 11: with is what makes this, you know, so so important

447
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Speaker 11: to us and you know, ultimately where we desire to be.

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Speaker 2: You know, Coach, I go way back.

449
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Speaker 6: I played at North Carolina late eighties early nineties when

450
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Speaker 6: Florida State was just entering the ACC and when Florida

451
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Speaker 6: State came into the league, there was this aura about

452
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Speaker 6: this team, the swag, the players and all that. And

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Speaker 6: for the first time in a long time, I feel

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Speaker 6: that back when I watched the Seminoles. So being there

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Speaker 6: at Florida State under kind of like the tradition that

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Speaker 6: Bobby Bolden created years ago.

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Speaker 2: What is it like trying to bring a program back

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Speaker 2: to that level.

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean it's let me say this, We have

460
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Speaker 11: a tremendous responsibility and you know, I understand that. Every

461
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Speaker 11: day I sit in my office, I look out in

462
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Speaker 11: the Campbell Stadium. But says Bobby Boldenfield, and you know what,

463
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Speaker 11: what what has been built here, the tremendous tradition, the legacies,

464
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Speaker 11: you know, all the great players, everybody that's come before us.

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Speaker 11: There is a responsibility of what we need to do

466
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Speaker 11: and how we need to do it. And it's not

467
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Speaker 11: just on the field, it's in every every uh, you know,

468
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Speaker 11: component aspect for these players to who they're growing to

469
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Speaker 11: be and what ultimately, you know, we need to look

470
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Speaker 11: like as we are trying to get back to the

471
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Speaker 11: top of college football.

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Speaker 10: And you know that is the standard is.

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Speaker 11: Excellence here at Florida State, and that's what we push for,

474
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Speaker 11: that's what we try, what we aspire to be and

475
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Speaker 11: all things that we do. And you know, our players

476
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Speaker 11: have done a remarkable job and going through that journey

477
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Speaker 11: and that daily investment to grow and get better, and

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Speaker 11: you know, it's a but it's this is a truly

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Speaker 11: special place and I'm honored to be able to be

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Speaker 11: a part of it coach.

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Speaker 3: I'd be curious about the non negotiables you have there

482
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Speaker 3: with your program. You don't get to this level of

483
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Speaker 3: success where you guys find yourself without having some standards

484
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Speaker 3: that you set for the program. What are some of

485
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Speaker 3: those non negotiables when you're looking to bring players into

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Speaker 3: your program.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and it comes down to work.

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Speaker 11: I mean, if you don't love to work, I tell

489
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Speaker 11: I tell every recruit, don't even think about coming here.

490
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Speaker 11: We're going to work, you know, And then's about relationships. Uh,

491
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Speaker 11: you know, who you get to do it with is

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Speaker 11: what makes the journey special. And you know that's what

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Speaker 11: you when you look at this this program. We got

494
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Speaker 11: great players that care about each other. I mean the

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Speaker 11: word love in our program is something that's important because

496
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Speaker 11: you know, if you love somebody, you're willing to sacrifice

497
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Speaker 11: for somebody. And you know, we got we got to

498
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Speaker 11: just a tremendous team. But that relationship aspect is really important.

499
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Speaker 11: And then I want to be around guys that truly

500
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Speaker 11: aspire to be the best in everything that they do.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 11: You know, if it's just about ball, you know this

503
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Speaker 11: is you're only going to take you so far. But

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Speaker 11: you also see a program that I mean we have

505
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Speaker 11: a team GPA of over three point zero and that's

506
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Speaker 11: something that you've been the best ever in program history.

507
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Speaker 11: And so not only are guys achieving on the field,

508
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Speaker 11: but they're also achieving, you know, and then things they're

509
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Speaker 11: doing off of it, and you know, continuing to grow

510
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Speaker 11: just to be the best they can be.

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Speaker 6: You know, coach, how challenging is it to build that

512
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Speaker 6: kind of team where everyone is connected and you have

513
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Speaker 6: great chemistry when you have so many guys in the

514
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Speaker 6: college landscape that are transferring and bouncing back and forth

515
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Speaker 6: and nil is a part of it. As a coach,

516
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Speaker 6: how do you navigate all of those circumstances.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you just be true to who you are.

518
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Speaker 11: You be up front, be honest. And I tell players

519
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Speaker 11: in Florida States, not for everybody. This is definitely, uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, you've got to be a different, different type

521
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Speaker 11: of guy, you know. I mean I always say it's

522
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Speaker 11: it's for the real ones and that's what we're looking for.

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Speaker 10: And uh, ultimately, I.

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Speaker 11: Mean, this is a this is a an opportunity for

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Speaker 11: guys to come and to really push themselves in every aspect.

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Speaker 11: But I do believe that you see the you see

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Speaker 11: the reward, you see the payoff you see the growth

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Speaker 11: and uh, you know, we just try to be true

529
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Speaker 11: to ourselves, be very upfront and honest of expectations. But

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Speaker 11: we also talk about, uh, you know that expectation if

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Speaker 11: you say yes, you know what you're getting yourself into.

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Speaker 11: And I think that you see that from guys that

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Speaker 11: we brought in from the high school ranks and the

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Speaker 11: way they've grown and developed.

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Speaker 7: You see that.

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Speaker 11: And the transfers that have come in to make a

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Speaker 11: great impact. You know, they're not just coming in for

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Speaker 11: you know, draft status. They're not just coming in to

539
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Speaker 11: to you know, even for for the stage or opportunity.

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Speaker 11: They're coming to be a part of this program. And uh,

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Speaker 11: you know, we've got a great culture and a great

542
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Speaker 11: team because of that.

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Speaker 3: Coach, I want to go back in your background a

544
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Speaker 3: little bit because I've never got a chance to ask

545
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Speaker 3: this question and I've.

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Speaker 12: Been curious about it, So I'll take you back.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This had to be like oh six or seven somewhere

549
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Speaker 2: around there.

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Speaker 3: I'm a scout and I'm with the Ravens and I

551
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Speaker 3: go in to Tulsa and uh, I found myself in

552
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Speaker 3: There was maybe two or three scouts with me, and

553
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Speaker 3: we're watching the Tulsa tape. Gus Malazon is the coach

554
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Speaker 3: there and Buck, I'm telling you, uh, every time they

555
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Speaker 3: would score hit a long home run and you would

556
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Speaker 3: see Malzon running down the sideline and he's going like this,

557
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Speaker 3: He's pointing up at the scoreboard.

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Speaker 2: Why it's going on.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I don't know I've ever seen that before.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of interesting. But then but then this

561
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Speaker 3: is the question, coach, I had never seen that. I

562
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Speaker 3: don't even we just called it the turtle play and

563
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Speaker 3: scouting I didn't even know what it was. But literally,

564
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Speaker 3: they snapped the ball, but then the linemen don't move

565
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Speaker 3: and they just kind of hang in there, Buck, and

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Speaker 3: they look like Armadillo's They just.

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Speaker 2: Kind of then like they get hit and kind of

568
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Speaker 2: like fall over.

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Speaker 3: I just want to know what was the install like.

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Speaker 6: For that for that play, Coach, Hey, it was.

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Speaker 11: It became one of the great you know, jokes and

572
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Speaker 11: fun moments in practice, because you know, if those linemen

573
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Speaker 11: ever get touched, you know, they needed to react to accordingly,

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Speaker 11: and you don't move, but if you get knocked over,

575
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Speaker 11: so I mean we would we would definitely grade the lineman.

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Speaker 12: You know, there's recent classic falls or.

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Speaker 10: Tip over all.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was it was pretty It was pretty comical.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed that visit with coach norvelle Man. I laugh

580
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Speaker 3: my butt off every time I think about those turtle

581
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Speaker 3: plays that they would run with Gus Melson. If you

582
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Speaker 3: haven't seen interestment, you got to find it's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: A couple more interviews here on this best of episode.

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Speaker 3: This one took place in early December. We had a

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Speaker 3: chance to visit with Missouri head coach Eli Drinkwitz, who

587
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Speaker 3: has done a remarkable turnaround job there with the Missouri Tigers.

588
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Speaker 3: Here's our chat with their head coach and one of

589
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Speaker 3: the one of the hottest names in coaching.

590
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Speaker 12: Right now, Eli Drinkwitz.

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Speaker 3: You know, first of all, what's this off season like

592
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Speaker 3: as you go into you know, recruiting really heavily, as

593
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Speaker 3: you try and finish up recruiting season with the product

594
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Speaker 3: you have to sell coming off of the year you

595
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Speaker 3: guys just had.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, it's an interesting thing because you know,

597
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Speaker 13: college football is schedule has changed so much that we

598
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Speaker 13: finished the regular season, we still have about thirty days

599
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Speaker 13: before our bowl game. Yet every player on your roster

600
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Speaker 13: is a free agent right now. And so you know,

601
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Speaker 13: we spent four days. I've spent every day except for

602
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Speaker 13: this fifteen minute interview with y'all. I'm meeting with my

603
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Speaker 13: players and talking about what is their future, Are they

604
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Speaker 13: going to transfer, do they want to stay, what is

605
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Speaker 13: their role going to be.

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Speaker 12: So that's kind of sped up.

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Speaker 13: And then we spend the afternoon watching portal film or

608
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Speaker 13: high school recruits because now you've got to rebuild your

609
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Speaker 13: eighty five rosters.

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Speaker 12: So you know, it's an interesting time.

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Speaker 13: I will say this recruiting is all about selling either

612
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Speaker 13: what you plan on to do or what you've done

613
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Speaker 13: in the past. You know, the previous three years I

614
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Speaker 13: was planning on I was selling what I was planning

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Speaker 13: on doing.

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Speaker 12: This year, we're being able to sell tangible results.

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Speaker 13: And you know, we had a three thousand yard pastor

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Speaker 13: one thousand yard receiver, a thousand yard rusher.

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Speaker 12: I think we're the only school in the SEC to

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Speaker 12: do that.

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Speaker 13: That could be wrong on that, but you know, we've

622
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Speaker 13: got a very dynamic offense. You know, on defense, we're

623
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Speaker 13: going to have another defensive end drafted. We had three

624
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Speaker 13: first team All Conference SEC players on that side of

625
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Speaker 13: the ball. So we have a lot of really positive momentum.

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Speaker 13: You know, my message to every recruit and whether it's

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Speaker 13: in the portal or out is Maszoo provides you a

628
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Speaker 13: lot of stability in the midst of chaos. And if

629
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Speaker 13: you look at whether it's market history or the past,

630
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Speaker 13: wherever you can find a stable place in the midst

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Speaker 13: of chaos, that's where the most growth is going to happen.

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Speaker 13: And we believe these guys have an opportunity to really grow.

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Speaker 13: You can tell right behind me. Our number one goal

634
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Speaker 13: is chase two dreams. You know, we want our guys

635
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Speaker 13: to be able to chase the dream of playing in

636
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Speaker 13: the NFL, but we also want them to chase the

637
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Speaker 13: dream of having a purpose outside of the game of football.

638
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Speaker 13: And I think at Missoo we sell that opportunity at

639
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Speaker 13: a really high level.

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Speaker 6: You know, coach, the game has changed so much Like

641
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Speaker 6: when DJ and I when we were coming out of school,

642
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Speaker 6: there was about being a student athlete, getting your education.

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Speaker 2: People talked about the degree.

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Speaker 6: It seems like the degree part has been diminished when

645
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 6: you're talking about opportunities in those things. Because il so

646
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Speaker 6: as a coach and as a leader of young people,

647
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Speaker 6: how do you still show them that you care about

648
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Speaker 6: them beyond football, while also having to navigate the transfer

649
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Speaker 6: portal and free agency. As you talk about it, just

650
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Speaker 6: seems like college football is at a cross roads because

651
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Speaker 6: it's no longer the college football that we all knew

652
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Speaker 6: and loved coming up.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's not.

654
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Speaker 13: But I think in the middle of the whole thing,

655
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Speaker 13: you have to start with loving your players. You have

656
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Speaker 13: to start with what it's really all about. And the

657
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Speaker 13: reason why I got into coaching had nothing to do

658
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Speaker 13: with the amount of money they paid me, nothing to

659
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Speaker 13: do with the big stadiums. It had to do with

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Speaker 13: the desire to really impact young people's lives. And man,

661
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Speaker 13: I lost my way for a little bit the last

662
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Speaker 13: two years like that. I was always stressed and consumed

663
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Speaker 13: about all those other things. But man, this year it's

664
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Speaker 13: been a about my players, and I think so many

665
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 13: times like everybody's chasing this nil, which is good man.

666
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 13: I'm all for these guys. I think they deserve absolutely.

667
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 13: I wish we could get to a revenue share model.

668
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 13: That's a whole nother conversation. But the most valuable thing

669
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 13: they're going to get from the University of Missouri is

670
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 13: not the nil it's going to be that degree because

671
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 13: the degree has earning power for sixty years. Nil is

672
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 13: a one time earning power opportunity, and so they have

673
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 13: to combine that. Like you know, it is a lot

674
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 13: of money that these guys are getting, which is again awesome,

675
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 13: but it's not going to compare to the millions of

676
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 13: dollars that they're going to earn based off having a

677
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 13: college degree in the connections that we can provide through

678
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 13: the university, and so, you know, again for us, that's

679
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 13: just a huge emphasis. It's a huge emphasis of finding

680
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 13: a purpose outside of the game. We all know the

681
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 13: game is going to end for everybody at some point.

682
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 13: Look at Tom Brady. It finally ended for him last year,

683
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 13: but he has a bigger purpose than just the game.

684
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 13: I want all my guys to find that.

685
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: One of the things that we always talk about here

686
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: when we're talking about evaluating, we can all you know,

687
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: we can all watch the tape and say this guy

688
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: can play, this guy can't play. It's a lot more

689
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: it's the makeup on guys that ends up determining how

690
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 3: successful they're going to be. I know it's the same

691
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: with you when you're recruiting these high school kids or

692
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: transfer portal kids. I was talking to a GM of

693
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: the day and they were playing a bunch of rookies

694
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: and I said, what's the key to getting these young

695
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: guys out in the field and playing well? And he said,

696
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: we had to identify guys who love it and guys

697
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: that can learn it. And I know how hard that

698
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: is at the NFL level to do that With college kids,

699
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: How in the world are you able to find out

700
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: if it's seventeen, you know, maybe you start recruiting when

701
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: he's sixteen, that they a that they love it, and

702
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: then how do you get the information to know that

703
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: they're going to be able to learn what you're going

704
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: to ask them to do.

705
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 13: I think it's actually easier to find out if they

706
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 13: love it because you can wade through the bs of recruiting.

707
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 13: You know, I told the kid yesterday on the phone, Man,

708
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 13: recruiting's not real, Okay, Like the day you step foot

709
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 13: on campus, none of the recruiting matters. It's gonna matter

710
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 13: if you show up on time to weights. That's what's

711
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 13: going to determine whether or not you're successful. And what

712
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 13: people post on Twitter is not going to be motivation

713
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 13: for you to show up and work out, because you're

714
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 13: gonna be doing updowns if people are late. So like,

715
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 13: I don't really care about recruiting stuff. And guys that

716
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 13: are constantly consumed with recruiting and their announcements and all

717
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 13: those different things, those are the guys that you first go.

718
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 13: I don't know, I don't know if the juice is

719
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 13: gonna be worth the squeeze.

720
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Speaker 12: You know, we actually have a saying right now.

721
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 13: I read this article about three weeks ago mercenaries versus

722
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 13: rusty trucks. You know, you got sports cars out there

723
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 13: that look good and they drive fast, but man, are

724
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 13: they gonna always be reliable? That old rusty truck that

725
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 13: Daniel and I used to have to drive around Carolina. Man,

726
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 13: that thing got you where you needed to go. It

727
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 13: showed up, It had a purpose, it was driven, It

728
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 13: didn't matter what the road conditions were, it was going

729
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 13: to show up. I got one of those guys right now,

730
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 13: Cody Schrader are running back. I mean, he's our misty

731
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 13: truck guy. Now, he's plenty of talent that, don't get

732
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 13: me wrong, but he's the definition of toughness, determination and

733
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 13: mindset over talent, And I think that's a combination that

734
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 13: we all have to continue to.

735
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 12: Look for, you know, the learning part of it. I

736
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 12: put that on our coaching staff.

737
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 13: I think a poor worker complains about his tools, you know.

738
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 13: I think as coaches, you got to take ownership of

739
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 13: making sure that what you need those guys to do,

740
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 13: you find a way to teach it, because at the

741
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 13: end of the day, football is still blocking and tackling.

742
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 13: And if it's so complicated that you can't figure out

743
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 13: the combo coverage and the checks after the motions and

744
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 13: all that, that ain't on them. That's on you trying

745
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 13: to have the perfect call every time on both sides

746
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 13: of the ball. Like it's still moving a guy against

747
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 13: his will on the offensive side of the ball. It's

748
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 13: still on the defensive side of the ball, hands inside

749
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 13: three point ex or triple extension at the hips, shock

750
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 13: and shed and then have the courage to make contact

751
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 13: and make a tackle. If all that other stuff's getting

752
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 13: in the way, we got to change a little bit

753
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 13: of what we're doing.

754
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 6: Coaching coach, I'm fascinated by this because obviously I grew

755
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 6: up playing in the ACC but the conversation about the

756
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 6: SEC has existed since the beginning of time. Now that

757
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 6: you're in the conference you've been into before as an assistant,

758
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 6: but now back as a head coach. What is the

759
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 6: outside world missing about the differences in coaching and playing

760
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 6: in the SEC versus other places.

761
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Speaker 13: See, this is funny because Kirby gets on game day

762
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 13: the other day it's like, hey, if you want some

763
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 13: of this SEC, come get it.

764
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Speaker 12: Here's here's the difference for me.

765
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Speaker 13: And I was in the ACC for three years and

766
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 13: it was a great conference, okay, and I got nothing

767
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 13: negative to say. But the difference is when we're playing Kentucky,

768
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 13: or we're playing South Carolina, or we're playing Florida this

769
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 13: year and those guys, you know, Kentucky's a Bowl eligible teams,

770
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Speaker 13: South Carolina and Florida end up not quite making it,

771
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 13: even Arkansas. Every one of those teams have multiple NFL

772
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 13: players on their roster that are going to be drafted first, second,

773
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Speaker 13: third round. I mean, you could talk about Spencer rapt

774
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 13: there's probably a second round drafted quarterback. And they didn't

775
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 13: make a bowl game. Okay, they got multiple defensive tackles.

776
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 13: Whore gonn play in the league. That doesn't happen at

777
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 13: every conference. The depth of talent on every team is

778
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 13: what's different. I mean, I just don't think people understand that.

779
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 13: And it's not just oh, this year they have this guy,

780
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 13: it's that's a freshman. Two years is going to be

781
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 13: I mean, guys, if this conversation does it start and

782
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 13: stop with Georgia's every player on the Georgia's defense in

783
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 13: twenty twenty one was drafted. That's what makes this league different.

784
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 13: I played against a real or coached against a really, really,

785
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 13: really good Clemson team. They had five players on defense drafted.

786
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: All Right, we're going to see coach Trinquitz and their

787
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: Missouri squad. They were going to take on Ohio State

788
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: on December twenty ninth in the Cotton Bowl. That's going

789
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: to be one of the better bowl games this year.

790
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Looking forward to that. Also paying attention to the recruiting stuff.

791
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: Looks like he's been crushing it in that round as well.

792
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: Speaking of turnarounds, this is our final conversation we have

793
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Speaker 3: for you today. This took place in the middle of

794
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: November and it's with head coach Jedfish from Arizona, who

795
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 3: wrapped up a nine to three regular season. Quite the

796
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: year there for the Wildcats. Not much was expected and

797
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: they had a phenomenal year. We wanted to figure out

798
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: what was the secret sauce there in Tucson. We did

799
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: that with Jedfish. I guess my first question. We'll get

800
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: to the success of the Wildcats and how you've turned

801
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: this program around, but my first question is when was

802
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: the last time you talked to coach billick Oh?

803
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Speaker 1: Last week? Calls me after every game? Really, yeah, and

804
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: I spoke. He came to our he came to our

805
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: spring clinic. He spent four days with our team. He

806
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: spoke to our players, he spoke to he obviously did

807
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the clinic, but he was awesome and they had spent

808
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: time with our quarterbacks and it was great.

809
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: I love that.

810
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, coach the coach watching your program grow from or

811
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 6: far since you've been there, The one thing I noticed

812
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 6: you have brought a lot of people in to kind

813
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 6: of talk to your team about winning and the process

814
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 6: of winning in a championship minset and culture, and I

815
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 6: just admired the way that you've gone about this process.

816
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: Where did those ideas stem from?

817
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 6: Was that something that you always thought about if you

818
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: ever took over a team that I wanted to kind

819
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 6: of impact and import all this knowledge on these players

820
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 6: so we could turn this thing around.

821
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was one of those situations that

822
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I felt as if, like, if you have a chance

823
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: to use your connections or to your relationships, and you've

824
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: got to take advantage of that. These kids don't have

825
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: the type of access that some of us have had

826
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: throughout the years. And you know, a lot of times,

827
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: some of the decisions that I made at some of

828
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: the jobs that I got very lucky for some of

829
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: the guys that I worked for, and to be able

830
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: to bring those guys in has been huge. Everybody that

831
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I've ever worked for has spoken to our team, you know,

832
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: from coach Carol to coach Shanahan to coach Kper, Coach

833
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: Billick too. Obviously, Coach Belichick's been here. I think he's

834
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: been in Tucson four times already since I've been the

835
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: head coach.

836
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: Coach Andy has been in Tucson twice.

837
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: But on top of that, it was important for us

838
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: not just to bring in football coaches or Howie Roseman

839
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: or you know, some of the gms that I'm close with,

840
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: but it was also important to bring in people in

841
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: the real world. We brought the Surgeon General to speak

842
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: to our team about COVID.

843
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 12: We brought in.

844
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: You know, Chief Justice of the Courts to talk to

845
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: him about their their rights. I think it's important we

846
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: do what we educate Wednesday every week, and it's really

847
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: about how can we educate these kids and manners.

848
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: That they cannot learn about life.

849
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Speaker 3: Coach, you talk about all the different influences that you've had.

850
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: I just think about specifically being with you in Baltimore

851
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: and the emphasis there, you know, was always about speed, toughness, instincts.

852
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: And it looks like when I look at your program

853
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: at Arizona, I mean, is this was that part? Was

854
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: that part of the mindset, part of your background that

855
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: that helped you to this? But that's when I look

856
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: at your team, you transformed into a fast, tough, instinctive team.

857
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a you know, we we've talked. We

858
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: talk here, you know about we we say we want

859
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to be the most physical and the most violent, the

860
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: most disciplined. And as we go ahead and do that,

861
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's how fast can you rent to the ball,

862
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: how fast can you chase? How many people can be

863
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: around the ball at all times? What type of discipline

864
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: can we have in terms of making you know, being

865
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: right there but not going over the line. And you know,

866
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: discipline and work ethic, discipline and doing things the right

867
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: way over and over and you know, I think that

868
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: those characteristics of Baltimore, those are huge. That's what you

869
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: look for when you recruit guys. You know, do they

870
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: have football instincts or not? You know. I mean we

871
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: we were doing a one on one yesterday and Jaden,

872
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: our quarter one of our you know, one of our

873
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks through a back shoulder on a corner route in

874
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: the end zone. And the dB coach came up to

875
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: me and he said, was that designed? I said, no,

876
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: those are just football instincts. When the corner overplays the

877
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: corner roud, I mean, he's able to make that throw.

878
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's gotten us to where we

879
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: want to be is we wanted to find guys with those.

880
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Instincts, you know, coach.

881
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 6: What's interesting to me is when I went to college,

882
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: I played for mag Ground in North Carolina. He was

883
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 6: one to ten before I got there, in one of

884
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: ten in my freshman year, so two and twenty those

885
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 6: first two years, and I just remember the work that

886
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 6: it took to kind of change the mindset of a

887
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 6: team and a program that had been losing. How hard

888
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 6: did you have to work on the mentelli of the

889
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 6: players that you inherited and the players that you brought

890
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 6: in to kind of share some of those losing ways

891
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: and they lose them intelity.

892
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was, It certainly has been that

893
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: type of adjustment. I mean with the program was zero

894
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: to twelve before we got here, losing seventy to seven

895
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: in the last game that they played, and then we

896
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: went one to eleven in our first year and then

897
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: signed the best recruiting class that they've ever had here.

898
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: And the point of that was we had to sell

899
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: We had to give confidence without evidence. We had to

900
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: sell something of the future and make them believe that.

901
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: Things were going to change.

902
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: But what I appreciate more than anybody is the fact

903
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: that we had the amount of people that believed it.

904
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: And you have to If you don't have belief, you

905
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: have no chance to turn this thing around. Because it

906
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: was not in a good spot. It was one in

907
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: twenty three over a course of a two year span,

908
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: and you had to get the everybody to say, why

909
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: are we working this hard? Why are we working this

910
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: hard and not winning? Why are we working? Why is

911
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: coach making us do this and do that? And all

912
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: the different things that go into changing a culture. You

913
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: need to see the results. Well, we kept telling them

914
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: the results will come. You just have to trust it.

915
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: And trusting the process is obviously it's a lot of

916
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: people say it, but it's really hard to do. And

917
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: what I appreciate most about our guys is we say

918
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: not load. You have to trust the process, but you

919
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: have to embrace the grind and you know it's going

920
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: to come together with both both things. And I think

921
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: our guys saw and are now reaping some of the benefits,

922
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: but we're still not where we want to be.

923
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: It's a different time in college football, Jed. You look

924
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: at you know, you talk about recruitment in the job

925
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: you guys have done there. Now the next challenge is

926
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: retention as you bring in all these players. I was

927
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: talking to a mutual friend of ours last night and

928
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: he said he was at two different schools on visits

929
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: as a scout, and he said both schools mentioned they

930
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 3: think they're getting the same transfer quarterback this next year.

931
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: Mind you, you guys.

932
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: Are still you know, teams are still playing. This quarterback

933
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: is on a team right now, and two different schools

934
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: have been going after him and think that they're getting him.

935
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you balance this between recruiting and

936
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: high school kids? And you got to retain your own guys.

937
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it has become a big challenge and

938
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: it's disappointing in a lot of ways. And I think

939
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: what needs to happen is the people that have left

940
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: your program, you need to look to see how they've done,

941
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: and you have to.

942
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: Be honest with them.

943
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: And you have to be honest with guys that come

944
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: into your office and tell you, you know all. I

945
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: think out like, why would you want to leave if

946
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: you're good? You want to leave if you're good because

947
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: someone's offering you money. That's the only reason why you

948
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: would want to leave if you're good. And what happens

949
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: is you don't know what's going to happen next. You

950
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know where you're going to go, You don't know

951
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: what it's going to look like. I mean, and next

952
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: thing you know, you make a decision for one year's

953
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: worth of college money versus a ten year NFL career.

954
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Possibly now if you're good but not great, You're not

955
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: really a retention issue. You're going to be retained. If

956
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: you're poor, then you know that's the evaluation issue. But

957
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: in the end, the guys that are coming, the quarterbacks

958
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: were referring to and all that other stuff, is someone's

959
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: going to try to offer them more money. And I

960
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: wish those kids just took a step back and said,

961
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: for what one year? One year? You know, why are

962
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: they coming after me? Because I'm doing great here? So

963
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: how about do great again?

964
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: Just using logic? Stop using the logic.

965
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: And I've said this, I've said, you know, the unique

966
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: part about us here at Arizona is I coached in

967
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the NFL for fourteen years. So when coaches, when college

968
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: coaches tell you we're going to help you get to the.

969
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: NFL, the real answer is, well, how do you know?

970
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: How do you know?

971
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, you've never sat in a draft room, You've

972
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: never talked to scouts, you haven't been working had four

973
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: years of an Ozzie knew some draft room and listened

974
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: to how it went. You never went and worked with

975
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and talked about how you're going to evaluate

976
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: a player or less need or you know, Charlie Casserly

977
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: or all the different guys that you have the privilege

978
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: of working with. I mean, Alie Roseman was my college roommate.

979
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Dave Calledwell now works for Alie. Dave was our GM

980
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. So when we talk to these kids, I

981
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: keep telling them, like, if you think going to another

982
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: school and being less productive is going to help you

983
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: get drafted, you are You're wrong. No matter what your

984
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: uncle's telling you, no matter what your cousin's telling you,

985
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: You're wrong.

986
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: Have you ever used a spreadsheet?

987
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: Have you ever liked, literally or a whiteboard and said, look, okay,

988
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 3: let's just I'm gonna assume that this school is offering

989
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: you x amount of money. Look at the lifetime earnings

990
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: of an NFL contract. Why are you sacrificing all of

991
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: this for this?

992
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: I do it all the time.

993
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but the problem is it's it's almost you're

994
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: just using logic and it's too easy, you know, It's

995
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: like it's just a too easy conversation. If you're that

996
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: good here, if you're that good here, then you'll get drafted.

997
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: YEP.

998
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I promise you all thirty two stouts will come through Arizona.

999
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: There's no doubt in my mind. We will have thirty

1000
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: two eyes on you plus plus plus, So be.

1001
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: Good, Be good.

1002
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: What are you gonna make a few hundred thousand dollars

1003
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: somewhere half a million dollars, two hundred and fifty thousands.

1004
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the ridiculous money that people are getting daid,

1005
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: but that's nothing compared to what you're gonna make if

1006
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: you're actually good. You know, if you're actually good, you

1007
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: can really make like a lot of money.

1008
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

1009
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: There's our little college football best of I hope you

1010
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: guys enjoyed this episode.

1011
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: It was a fun one. Again, just a little bonus

1012
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: for you this week.

1013
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Speaker 3: We have six total episodes, so two more to go

1014
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: this week. And also want to remind you the Holiday

1015
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1016
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1017
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1019
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1020
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Speaker 2: That's going to go for us today.

1021
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Speaker 3: I hope you guys enjoyed this one and we'll see

1022
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Speaker 3: you next time right here on Move the Sticks