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Speaker 1: A southern Kentucky family is desperate to find their missing son,

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Speaker 1: story their brother. Where is Ricky Griffiths. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Station and series XEM one eleven. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, a beloved son, a loving brother seemingly vanishes

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Speaker 1: into thin air. That's physically impossible. This guy did not

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Speaker 1: just disappear. He's somewhere and somebody knows where he is.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: w K Whitey.

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Speaker 2: Ricky Griffiths was last seen here in the Burnside area

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Speaker 2: of Pulaski County, but then no sign of him. His

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Speaker 2: family did receive some strange text messages from his phone,

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Speaker 2: they question whether he actually sentos, and then his phone,

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Speaker 2: his car, and his wallet were all found in a

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Speaker 2: remote area of Wayne County. Since that point, nothing but

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions of what exactly happened to him.

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Speaker 1: I've learned a lot about Burnside, Kentucky since I first

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Speaker 1: heard about Ricky's disappearance. It reminds me so much of

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Speaker 1: the little community, the Rutland community south of Macon, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: in the center of the state, where I was born,

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Speaker 1: very small, tight knit, makes it very difficult for me

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Speaker 1: to believe somebody doesn't know where is Ricky? With me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now in Ricky's disappearance. But first I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go to a special guest joining us with us,

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Speaker 1: Cheyenne Carnie. This is Ricky's sister, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Nancy, Cheyenne.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts, Ricky is just beloved. You know how

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Speaker 1: in every family there's the technical legal term jackass that

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Speaker 1: nobody wants Ober for Thanksgiving that you're like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: it's so and so calling that person that couldn't be

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Speaker 1: further from who Ricky is. Everyone is the kind of

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Speaker 1: guy that he walks into a room, everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: talk to him. That's what I've learned about Ricky. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember when you realized you hadn't heard from him,

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: Whenever my mom called me the morning that we realized

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Speaker 3: we had we had spoke with him, and she had

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Speaker 3: very we are very connected. We do talk often, and

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Speaker 3: then I realize why I haven't either.

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Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute, I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about what you just said. You suddenly realized, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him either. Had it been twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours since you talked to him? Forty eight hours?

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Speaker 1: Seventy two? How many days or hours had passed and

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Speaker 3: Well, with me, my brother knew my work schedule, and

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Speaker 3: then he knows that when I operate on business time,

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Speaker 3: because I work with the travel and nursing agency. I'm

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Speaker 3: also a first responder, so on my time, you know,

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Speaker 3: he don't really unless if I need help with my children,

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Speaker 3: is you know, are the boys good or whatnot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? A quick hellower text? What about with your mom?

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Speaker 3: With my parents? Yes, with my parents at that time,

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Speaker 3: he was living with them in between his ex girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: You know, like he would go back home. He always

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Speaker 3: he always kept his stuff at home. He always showered

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Speaker 3: That's why they reached out to me, and having talked

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Speaker 3: report because the numbers that I was searching, I was

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting to me. Guys, you are

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Speaker 1: hearing the sister of Ricky Griffiths and when it hit her, wait,

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Speaker 1: something is way wrong. You know, it's interesting to me,

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Speaker 1: and I want to go out to Brian Fitzgibbons joining

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Speaker 1: us along with an all star panel. VP of Operations

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Speaker 1: at USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, I have, you know, interviewed

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Speaker 1: really interesting to me, and I don't have a scientific

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Speaker 1: explanation for it. There's a difference when you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: and the responses note and suddenly they get an innate feeling.

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Speaker 1: As you just heard Cheyenne Carney say, she dropped what

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Speaker 1: she had the passwords AT and T access to start tracing. Wait,

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Speaker 1: where has he been? Who has he been calling? There's

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Speaker 1: something that I can't describe that you know instinctively something

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Speaker 3: Well, Nancy, he was a family man. I mean he like,

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Speaker 3: he was very respectful like our to our parents. When

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Speaker 3: He was very very open and honest.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, and so him not getting back with

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Speaker 1: your mom was very unusual. Brian Fitzgibbons, have you noticed

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Speaker 1: that over the course of your investigations, that there's just

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Nancy, And when the family has that intuition, it's

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Speaker 5: every time that a family member has that gut feeling

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Speaker 5: what we have here is that local law enforcement did

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Speaker 5: dismiss that and missed some opportunities to process a crime

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Speaker 1: You know, Wendy Patrick, I want to follow up on

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Speaker 1: what Brian Fitzgibbon has just said with me. Is Wendy Patrick,

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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Why Bad Looks So Good and

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Speaker 1: the book Read Flags, both on Amazon. She's the host

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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Wendy Patrick, thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us. I would never put it that

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Speaker 1: way in front of a jury, and I'll tell you why,

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Speaker 1: because while the jurors may agree with what we're saying,

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Speaker 1: and I think that they would, the defense would have

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Speaker 1: a field day arguing, oh, so it was just a hunch.

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Speaker 1: You want us to accept that you had a hunch.

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Speaker 1: The reality is Wendy Patrick I spoke to. I can't

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Speaker 1: even count how many moms, dads, sisters and brothers that

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Speaker 1: had a hunch and they were right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly right. And so you know, one way

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Speaker 6: that you and I probably have dealt with this in

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Speaker 6: the trial is you can elicit this this about the hunch,

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Speaker 6: the intuition, the instinct, but then the basis for it,

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Speaker 6: His parents' home was his home base, He kept his

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Speaker 6: that gut feeling, that intuition wasn't just a hunch. It

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Speaker 6: was based on facts and growing up with this young man.

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Speaker 6: So that I think is one of the things that

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Speaker 6: every jury can relate to.

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Speaker 1: the Bundy and Idaho killings. In this gripping special investigation,

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Speaker 1: investigator Bill Warner who worked the cases, and Ted Bundy's

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Speaker 1: know him well. The commander of the Cajun Coast Search

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Speaker 1: and Rescue Team, Tony Wade, is joining us. Tony, how

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Speaker 1: many times have you gone out on a search for

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Speaker 1: a body or a living person based on routine evidence?

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Speaker 1: And when I say routine, I don't mean oh, that's

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Speaker 1: just routine. I mean evidence of someone's routine. For instance, Tony,

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Speaker 1: Jackie here would know I had to be in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Something horrible must have happened, because that's my routine to

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Speaker 1: be there on time at work, or if I'm not

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Speaker 1: there to put the twins to bed. Everybody knows something's

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Speaker 1: very wrong. It's evidence of.

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Speaker 7: Routine, you know, Nancy. We worked thousands of cases like

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Speaker 7: that every year, just one, no different than a lot

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Speaker 7: of the other cases we work. We do know something happened.

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Speaker 7: It's out of character for Ricky to just disappear like this.

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Speaker 7: You know. I've interviewed hundreds of people with this case,

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Speaker 7: and everybody has the same agreement that he never missed work.

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Speaker 7: He was always early, he always stayed late. You know,

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Speaker 7: the family has somebody he sees, somebody count on. Someone

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Speaker 7: knew something was wrong that we were happy to get

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Speaker 7: involved to try and find answers. And we have brought

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Speaker 7: a lot of heat, a lot of attentions, shook up

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Speaker 7: a lot of people, and we have a lot of

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Speaker 7: answers now that we didn't have before. This case is

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Speaker 7: so familiar to the thousands of cases that we work in.

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Speaker 1: Ye and it's the family and the friends know at

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Speaker 1: the beginning this is wrong. I don't have any evidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't have blood, I don't have fingerprints, I don't

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Speaker 1: the front yard. But I can tell you something is

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Speaker 1: very wrong. Guys, take a listen to our friends at WYMT.

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Speaker 2: This family is about it their wits end, with many

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Speaker 2: Seanne Carney says their brother, Ricky Griffiths, was last seen

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Speaker 1: I always find it very problematic when someone leaves their

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Speaker 1: doctor Lisa at doctor Lisa Loong dot com. Doctor Lisa Long,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know what to

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Speaker 4: I also do want to touch back on Cheyenne and

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Speaker 1: When you said that you can even identify those gut

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Speaker 1: Everything is change really.

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Speaker 3: In all of your senses. You can feel one symptom's

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Speaker 1: Guys joining me right now, who's been on the case

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Speaker 1: from the very very beginning is Phil Pendleton, investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: being with us. Phil. I was just thinking about this

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the area is at Mountainous is a

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing our friend Phil Pendleton on the case

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Speaker 9: The search for Ricky Griffiths began two days after his

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Speaker 9: He said no, but then he didn't come home the

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Speaker 9: Family members and those who know Griffiths say he's polite

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's telling me a lot about your brother, Cheyenne Carney.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about him, well, another thing that'll bring back,

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Speaker 3: bring us back to the Coopersville community where his car

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Speaker 3: But Ricky was also a chain smoker my whole life.

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Speaker 3: Ricky was a smoker. And and with me out there

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Speaker 8: He would never be lost or stuck.

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Speaker 3: Because we grew up in that area that his car

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Speaker 3: The seat is not placed properly, there's no cigarette butts here.

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Speaker 3: then they had they did. We did have dogs. We

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Speaker 1: So you believe, Cheyenne, that the dogs are hitting on

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Speaker 3: Was moved yet, yes, I mean that, but that that's

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ricky always said I was the nosiest human

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Speaker 1: Question for you regarding your brother. He's over six feet tall,

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Speaker 1: and it really it reminds me of another case. Wendy

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Speaker 1: I've said it a million times. Her home looked like

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. You know, Seanna is a great detective because this

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Speaker 6: It's evidence of an intruder, foul play that it wasn't

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: When she first started explaining it, I thought, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: Take a listen again to Dave Max Crime Online.

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Speaker 9: Ricky Griffiths was seen leaving an acquaintance place of business

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Speaker 9: The next day, his car was found near the Coopersville

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Speaker 1: Very curious, and it brings to mind the Gabby Potato case.

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Speaker 1: That would be like me calling instead of my grandmother

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Speaker 1: That would just never happen. And so only someone that

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Speaker 3: We do know that he stopped at at ATM. We

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Speaker 3: pulled on but we don't have no factual evidence that

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Speaker 3: they pulled them with all the gross negligence that the

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Speaker 3: police have done with not processing his car, setting back

435
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Speaker 3: on the heel, waiting for them to pull the car

436
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Speaker 3: out of the terrain, not a detective search the car

437
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: or take it seriously. Do I believe that they pulled it? Yeah,

438
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: they might have pulled it, but it would have been

439
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: seven eight months later.

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Speaker 1: Shanne Carney, do you believe it was your brother that

441
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: took the money out of the ATMs just before his disappearance? Yes?

442
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Speaker 3: No, the first couple times, he.

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Speaker 1: Is Okay, how many times was money taken out? Did

444
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: he withdraw money on his ATM? Just a number, not

445
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: a clue.

446
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: We cannot get nothing else from any.

447
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Speaker 1: Do you think two times? Shanne Conway? Why do you

448
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: believe five people were with him at the time he

449
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: withdrew money? Video surveillance, video surveillance from where the gas

450
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: station that he was at. Gotcha, guys, I want you

451
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.

452
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: Did a mystery note emerge.

453
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 9: After Griffiths Carr was found. A note was uncovered inside

454
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 9: written on the back of a receipt from the Cove

455
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Speaker 9: Bar and Grill in Somerset, Kentucky. It said, quote, thank

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Speaker 9: you for the thought. Indeed it was excessive, but deeply

457
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Speaker 9: appreciated unquote. The family confirmed that Griffiths went to the

458
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Speaker 9: restaurant for lunch. The owner, manager, and server said the

459
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Speaker 9: note had been written by a regular customer after Griffiths

460
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 9: had paid for a meal for the man and his wife.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand, The owner, manager and server at

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Speaker 1: the restaurant said, the note was written by a customer

463
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Speaker 1: because your brother paid for their meal. Is that right, cheyenne, Yes,

464
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: that is right? Okay? So was that the day he

465
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: goes missing, that that was.

466
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Speaker 3: The morning or the afternoon before. And Nancy, he was

467
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: a wonderful man. He said that Ricky was one of

468
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Speaker 3: the most kind. He said that his energy, his smile, everything.

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Speaker 3: He was surprised that Ricky had paid for every pay

470
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Speaker 3: for their meals. But my brother is the type of

471
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: person that would pinpoint certain folks out and he would

472
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: do very kind things for them. That's the type of

473
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Speaker 3: man that Ricky was.

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Speaker 1: Shann what did your brother do?

475
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: He was a mister fix it. He mostly worked construction

476
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: his entire life. My father has taught him how to

477
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: run cable, how to deghole. I mean, my father has

478
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: taught him a lot of very handyman work. And then

479
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: Ricky with his with his drive and motivation, and he

480
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: sees like other people in help Ricky. Ricky was a

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00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: first responder at heart. He just never knew it. That's

482
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Speaker 3: why I always told him he had a story to tell.

483
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace guys. Now claims are emerging

484
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: that local law enforcement ignored the family when they report

485
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Speaker 1: Ricky missing, and ultimately an out of state agency comes

486
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Speaker 1: in to search for Ricky. Take a listen to our

487
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Speaker 1: cut fifteen from w k YT.

488
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Speaker 2: Cage and Coast Search and Rescue responded to a call

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Speaker 2: for help. Tony Wade came up with his can and

490
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: I and holder to help out. His crew has been

491
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: instrumental in searches and recovery operations all over the United States,

492
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: and they assisted with the search for Savannah Spurlock in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 10: So he puts cent on Facebook. I think yesterday that

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00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 10: Kentucky always holds a special place in my heart. I

496
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 10: think this is my fourth trip up here. Every time

497
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 10: we come, we handle two or three cases each time.

498
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Speaker 10: You know, we've had some luck up here, you know,

499
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 10: make some recoveries. You know the people of Kentucky that

500
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 10: we've been so kind to me.

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Speaker 1: And joining me right now is the commander of the

502
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Speaker 1: Cajun Coast Search and Rescue Team, Tony Wade. Tony, how

503
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: did you get pulled in on Ricky's disappearance?

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Speaker 7: You know this this is and it's been a tough

505
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 7: k for us. You know, just the terrain itself. We

506
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: have zero and when I tell you zero help from

507
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 7: law enforcement area. I actually I've been here a little

508
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 7: over a week on this case. I actually talked to

509
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Speaker 7: the sheriff Away County yesterday for the first time. So

510
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 7: the case has been difficult to us. The lease and

511
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 7: a police departmer, we're going off family and I have

512
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 7: personally spoke to some of the individuals involved in the

513
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 7: case of our suspects and questioned them, and it's just

514
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 7: it's difficult because we have not only do the searches

515
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 7: and some very extreme terrains, but we're having to do

516
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 7: all the investigative work ourselves as well. So this case

517
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 7: has been really tough, you know, and even more so

518
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Speaker 7: because it has become personal to me because the family

519
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 7: is with me every day. Cheyenne has been with me

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00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 7: since day one on every search. You know. I'm grateful

521
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 7: to have my teammate Shelley King with me that has

522
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 7: been extraordinary and helping with case. It's just been a

523
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 7: really tough case.

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Speaker 1: Nancy A very surprised the local authorities are not there

525
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: helping you. What would this be Wayne County.

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Speaker 7: Wayne County, Pulaska County, you know. And the funny thing

527
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 7: is we have a sheriff from mccrurie County that his

528
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 7: county is not even involved in the case, but he

529
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 7: is calling and checking on us every day. Offering us help.

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Speaker 7: The only law enforcement that we've had any success with,

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Speaker 7: and his county is not even involved in the case.

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Speaker 7: You know, we did have Kentucky State Police detectives out

533
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Speaker 7: with us yesterday. We found something and felt the need

534
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 7: to be checked out. They sent three detectors to help us,

535
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 7: and unfortunately they can't take the case until we can

536
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 7: find the body because it's already an open investigation behind

537
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 7: the part of the agency.

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Speaker 1: Tony, how did you get involved? Who called you?

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Speaker 7: Well, actually, I have a very good friend of mine

540
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 7: that has helped me with multiple searches here at Kentucky.

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Speaker 7: Ricky worked for him. He reached out to me to

542
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 7: get involved in the case, and that I was tagged

543
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 7: in one of Cheyenne's Facebook posts. So I reached out

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Speaker 7: to Cheyenne and the family actually come.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, what can you tell me about

546
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Speaker 1: the canine searches, the fact that a canine picked up

547
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Speaker 1: on a scent in the car, followed it up the

548
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: mountain side to try to I guess, get a cell

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00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: tower connection, and then back down to the road. Do

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Speaker 1: you believe that the canine was onto ricky scent or

551
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Speaker 1: the driver of the vehicle.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, that's something that we just don't know

553
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Speaker 7: for sure from my professional experience when we're going to

554
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 7: try and send someone like that. Well, we started to

555
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 7: drive receipt, we get a scent out of the driver's seat,

556
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 7: and then we allowed the dog to follow that scent.

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 7: I think the dog was tracking whoever it was that

558
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 7: was driving the car, whether that be Ricky or somebody else.

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00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 7: You know. Unfortunately, the dogs can't tell us who they're tracking.

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 7: We just know they're tracking. The dog did pick up

561
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Speaker 7: a sen from the driver's seat and followed it up

562
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 7: to the top of the ridge and then back down

563
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 7: to the road where it looked like somebody had picked

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Speaker 7: them up. Oh, so we just don't know who it was.

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00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I take a listen to our cut eleven our

566
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Speaker 1: friends at WKYT.

567
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Speaker 2: The Wayne County Sheriff's Office is investigating, but she says

568
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Speaker 2: an out of state search crew has agreed to look

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Speaker 2: for him and other missing Kentuckians. She says that is

570
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: outstanding welcome news that she feels very good about.

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Speaker 1: Have I read her post and our post hers touched

572
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: their heart and I've read it to gather up their

573
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Speaker 1: stuff and come look for Ricky.

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Speaker 2: The Wayne County Sheriff says they are planning to have

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Speaker 2: another search in the area where his car was found.

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Speaker 2: He says they have conducted a lot of investigations on this,

577
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Speaker 2: including four polygraph tests, but still nothing but more questions

578
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: on what happened to this man.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand. Phil Pendleton is with us from WKYT.

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Speaker 1: Four polygraph tests have been conducted. Do you believe, Peel

581
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Speaker 1: that those pollies were taken from the people that showed

582
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Speaker 1: up insurveillance video is being in the car with Ricky.

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Speaker 8: That's a good question. We asked the sheriff at you know,

584
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Speaker 8: several times about like who. He didn't tell us who

585
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 8: they were, what names of the people that were given

586
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 8: the polygraph test. But on several occasions the Wayne County

587
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Speaker 8: Sheriff did tell me that they had done a number

588
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Speaker 8: of these polygraph light detector tests, and it's just from him,

589
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 8: it sounded like that that didn't give them any any

590
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 8: more clear answers that it actually caused more questions to

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Speaker 8: be asked. That's according to what he told me.

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Speaker 1: Shyanne Carney is with me. This is Ricky's sister, Cheyenne.

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Speaker 1: We have learned that there are allegations that local LA

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Speaker 1: law enforcement did not take Ricky's disappearance seriously. What happened.

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: What happened absolutely nothing. Everything everything that had happened I did.

596
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: There was There was no processing of the car. They

597
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: looked at as a joke. They left the car unattended

598
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 3: for over forty eight hours. No sheriff or detective ever

599
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: actually went down in the terrain to where the car was,

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Speaker 3: even though there were forty ATVs.

601
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Speaker 8: That they could get there.

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00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: There was no one took a ride, even on the

603
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 3: back of anything to process the car or to tape

604
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: it off.

605
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: What is the jurisdiction Cheyenne, Is that Wayne County where

606
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: his car was found?

607
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 8: Yes?

608
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: Yes, the jurisdiction where the car is what the car?

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00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: The car was found is Wayne County.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you why why did they have it?

611
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: They told you why they're not doing anything to find

612
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Speaker 1: your brother.

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Speaker 3: Your guess is the good as mine, because like they

614
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 3: set back on the hill, and then whenever they came

615
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: to my home, my mother's home, and my mother and

616
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: my father, they said, well, why didn't nobody go to

617
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: the car, not the first sheriff, No one went to

618
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: the car. Why did you want here, and in front

619
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Speaker 3: of eleven and two minors, he said publicly he had

620
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: a seventy thousand dollars vehicle that he did not want

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Speaker 3: to get scratched up or dirty.

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Speaker 1: Phil Pendleton, is this true?

623
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Speaker 8: He has not told that to me.

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Speaker 1: Who is the sheriff of Wayne County, Kentucky.

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Speaker 8: That would be Tim Catcheron.

626
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: How do you spell that last name? I'm not understanding it.

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Speaker 8: C at ro N.

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Speaker 1: How long has he been in office?

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Speaker 8: I believe this is his second or third term.

630
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out why they would not have

631
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: anyone go search the scene or follow up on these leads,

632
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: or maybe they're doing things we don't know about. The

633
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Speaker 1: contact number for the Wayne County Sheriff is six zero

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Speaker 1: six three four eight five four one six repeat six

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Speaker 1: zero six three four eight five four one six if

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Speaker 1: you're interested in answers as to why this is languishing

637
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Speaker 1: and why an out of state search team had to

638
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: come do all the work regarding bringing in k nines,

639
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: looking at the car, following the scent, and so much more.

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00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: To Shanne Carney, this is Ricky's sister. You say that

641
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Speaker 1: you know more now than you did before to what

642
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Speaker 1: are you referring.

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Speaker 3: The leads that Tony has received, the leads vote that

644
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: we've received since since now, since you, Nancy, since you,

645
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: and I hate to say even we had to apply that

646
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: pressure because the law enforcement here was not applying any pressure.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of detector tests, Nancy. We have

648
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Speaker 3: a video of we have we have someone admitting to

649
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: killing my brother. We have people that he admitted that too,

650
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: to come forth and they're just brushed under the rug.

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Speaker 3: It has to take us to reach out to you

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Speaker 3: before we got to respond.

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Speaker 1: And what was the response.

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Speaker 3: I'm very curious just answering the phone. We've not had

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Speaker 3: nobody answer the phone.

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Speaker 1: You know what that is embarrassing to Brian Fitzgibbons, VP

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Speaker 1: Operation USBA Nationwide Security. When I hear that law enforcement

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Speaker 1: won't even pick up the phone. That's like a chick

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Speaker 1: in the teeth.

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely despicable.

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Speaker 5: And there has to be some accountability here for the

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Speaker 5: contamination of the crime team in the first instance, with

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Speaker 5: the vehicle being pulled out of the woods the way

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Speaker 5: that it was. The second thing is, you know, i'd

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Speaker 5: advise the family to make sure that they get records

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Speaker 5: of everything that's been submitted to law enforcement thus far.

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely despicable the way this case has been handled.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you go into law enforcement, you do

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Speaker 1: it because you want to. You're never gonna make a

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Speaker 1: lot of money in and I can tell you that myself,

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Speaker 1: but you do it because you believe in helping other people.

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Speaker 1: And when you lose the desire to help other people,

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Speaker 1: you need to quit and go somewhere and sit behind

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Speaker 1: a desk and do that. I'm very concerned about what

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing about the lack of energy put into this case.

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Speaker 1: The tip line to help Cheyenne and her family find

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Speaker 1: her brother three one eight seven three two one two

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Speaker 1: six ' one. I'm giving you the number for the

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Speaker 1: Cajun Co Search and Rescue Team. Three one eight seven

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Speaker 1: three two one two six ' one. Please help us

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Speaker 1: find answers. Goodbye friend,