1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Please welcome back Brett Winterble filling in for Clay. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: And Buck, and it's great to be with you as 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: we continue this journey, getting smarter, laughing a little bit, 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: and also at the same time thinking about one of 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: the greats of all time, Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh, in fact, 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: five years ago today, five years ago today, he addressed 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: an issue that I think is fascinating. He used a 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: clip of college kids saying it's not okay to celebrate 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to point out the indoctrination of our kids in 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: our education system. Five years ago today on the Rush 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: Limbaughs Show, he said this. 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: There's still a bunch of out there about Thanksgiving. 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier that the College Fixed website students say 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: it's not okay to celebrate Thanksgiving based off the genocide 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 4: of the Indigenous people. What's being done the young skulls 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 4: full of mush via the education system on our country 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 4: and cumulatively over decades is nothing less than have seen 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 4: yesterday at the College Fixed website, they posted a video 21 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 4: where their correspondent Kyle Houghton interviewed students at McAllister College St. Paul, 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 4: Minnesota asked them about Thanksgiving, and here's about forty five 23 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: seconds of it. 24 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 5: I think that, like, Thanksgiving has been misconstrued a lot, 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 5: especially in textbooks, and it's kind of just based off 26 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 5: of the genocide of indigenous people. And I don't really 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 5: think that we actually give thanks some Thanksgiving, we just 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: eat a bunch of food and it's just a bunch 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 5: of capitalists books. 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: Is it okay to celebrate Thanksgiving? 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 6: No, that's probably not as bad as Christmas or Easter. 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, So what do you think 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: the real Thanksgiving story is? 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is because I wasn't there 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: and because I don't have the all the historical information. 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 7: I mean, the public school education tells you that Thanksgiving 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,279 Speaker 7: was this great meeting where, you know, the Native Americans 38 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 7: showed the pilgrims how to you know, grow corn, And 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 7: obviously that's not true. But what legitimately happened on Thanksgiving? 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 7: I have no idea. 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: You have no idea? Then what the hell was the answer? 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 6: I mean, there you go, you no idea? No, I 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: we don't. It's just it's all. 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Everything is terrible. Everything is awful. Everything is rotten. You know, 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, Thanksgiving is turkey, stuffing, dressing, 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie. The word is right 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: in it, Thanksgiving. The word is right there. It's abundant, 48 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: it's clear, it's obvious. 49 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 6: We know this. 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: Later on in the program, we're gonna hear from Rush 51 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: again about the real story of Thanksgiving. But do you 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: know that we're not the only people that celebrate Thanksgiving. 53 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: They're throughout history, throughout humanity, there have been notions of 54 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: giving thanks It's absolutely true. People can deny it, people 55 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: can ignore it, people can say whatever they want to say. 56 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is this has happened 57 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: in a variety of places, in a variety of ways. 58 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 6: Sixteen twenty one. 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely, that was our first Thanksgiving. But what about 60 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: the ancients? The ancients understood the importance of Thanksgiving. The 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Greeks celebrated a festival called Fessmrhee, a festival dedicated to Demeter, 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: the goddess of agriculture and fertility. It was held in 63 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: the fall to give thanks for the harvest and to 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: pray for future fertility. Women would fast and participate in 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: rituals to honor Demeter and persephony. When you think about this, right, 66 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: this is this is a very important thing. I thought 67 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: the women were ignored and we're not regarded or not 68 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: any That's not the case. Ancient Rome had the same thing, 69 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: celebrated Cerellia Festival, in honor of Series, the goddess of agriculture. 70 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: It intended and included feasting, games, offerings to ensure the 71 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: bountiful harvest. Ancient Egypt had it. Ancient Egypt had a 72 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: thing that they called the Wag Festival. 73 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 6: Now that's not. 74 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Women, that's not women and girls, it's not that at all. 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: The wag Festival was celebrated at the end of the 76 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: harvest season. It was the time to give thanks to Osiris, 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: the god of agriculture and fertility. The festival included feasting, music, 78 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: dancing to honor the gods and celebrate. Ancient China did this. 79 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Ancient China had a thanksgiving festival, the mid Autumn festival, 80 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: sometimes called the Moon Festival. It's an ancient Chinese celebration 81 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: goes back three thousand years. It was a time to 82 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: give thanks for the harvest, to pray for prosperity, for family, prosperity. 83 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: People would offer mooncakes, which symbolize unity, completeness, gathering with 84 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: family to celebrate. These ancient celebrations were all deeply rooted 85 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: in agricultural practices, the religious beliefs of those particular eras 86 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: and their respective cultures. They provided a way for communities 87 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: to come together to give thanks for the bounty of 88 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: the earth and pray for future prosperity. It's only in 89 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: the communist world, right, It's only in the the unfree 90 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: world do you see people being told that they can't pray, 91 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: that they're not allowed to. 92 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 6: Offer thanks to a being. 93 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: And again, understanding, we don't necessarily know what these people 94 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: were worshiping or any of that sort of stuff, but 95 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: it does tell you something. Right, they always want to 96 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: take these like Zen books, right, they go to the 97 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: You look at. 98 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 6: How Zen wrote these books. Oh everything. 99 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 1: The worst thing possible in the entire world is got 100 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: to be the white man coming in and colonizing and 101 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: doing all these sorts of things. 102 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 6: It's just it's the worst possible thing ever. 103 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: No, the notion of sitting back and saying, thank you 104 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: God for the blessings in our life, let me give 105 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: you thanks, Like think about that Thanksgiving not thanks getting. 106 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: We don't celebrate thanks getting. We celebrate Thanksgiving. We are 107 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: giving thanks for what we have, family, friends, freedom, all 108 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: of that. 109 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 6: Stuff, all that stuff. And yet they'll come back to 110 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 6: the movie. 111 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: I'll believe it. That's not right. 112 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 6: We are our own self made people that we created. 113 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 6: Darn it. 114 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: There's something bigger and better to come. You know what 115 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna be Rush Limbaugh Third Hour, stick Around. I'm 116 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Brett Witterable. It is the Clay and Buck Show. Eight 117 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: hundred two A two two eight A two. We'll be 118 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: back right. 119 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: After Clay Travasi are Happy Thanksgiving from all of us 120 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: at the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 121 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: And it is a pleasure to be with you here today, 122 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: very very busy news day. Trump cabinet nominees appointees have 123 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: been targeted with violent Unamerican threats. This is the reporting 124 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: over at Fox News. And these attacks have ranged from 125 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: bomb threats to swatting. It's a it's it's a it's 126 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: a crazy, crazy world out there, folks, and we're going 127 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: to try to get to the bottom of this. I'm 128 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: happy to welcome to the program somebody whose work I 129 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: greatly admire. He's a great patriot who believes in the 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: rule of law, the protection of American sovereignty. And he's 131 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: got a big new initiative that he's going to be 132 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: bringing to us here on the program, and it is 133 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: Attorney General Ken Paxton from the great state of Texas. 134 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: It's good to have you here, sir. Thanks for making 135 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: time for us on the Clay and Buck Show. 136 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 8: Absolutely, happy thanksgiving to you and your audience you as well. 137 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to take you back to yesterday and 138 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: ask you about your reaction to all the efforts that 139 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: are now beginning to take shape as it relates to 140 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: border security and Tom Holman being down there as the 141 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: next chief in that regard. How is how are you 142 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: all interfacing together and how confident are you that we 143 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: can get this issue straightened out quickly after the inauguration. 144 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 8: Well, I don't think it'll be quick because they let 145 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 8: in what, I don't know, fifteen million people. But I 146 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 8: do think, I mean, there's not many better people, if 147 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 8: there already than Tom Holman. I love that guy. He 148 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 8: did a great job for Trump back when they shut 149 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 8: down our border, like no other president ever. So I 150 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 8: have a lot of confidence in him. I have a 151 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 8: lot of confidence in President Trump because they took illegal 152 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 8: immigration more seriously than any of the president Republican or Democrats, 153 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 8: So Texas will be We're happy to work with them. 154 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 8: We've been fighting this for the last four years with 155 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 8: the Biden administration just completely not just ignoring federal law 156 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 8: but but subverting it and working with the cartels to 157 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 8: get people, you know, here as fast as they could. 158 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 8: So it's it's definitely a new a new world for 159 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 8: America and a better world that we have. We have 160 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 8: people actually care about federal law and care about protecting Americans. 161 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: At the same time, you're also working on a number 162 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: of other initiatives as well, UH issues involving black Rock 163 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: and of course UH Vanguard. Can you talk a little 164 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: bit about what it is that that you are doing 165 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: to uh to make you know, a better approach towards 166 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: things in that regard. Yeah. 167 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 8: So they're basically State Street Bank, Vanguard, and black Rock controlled, 168 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 8: you know, a huge number of shares of all kinds 169 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 8: of different companies, and they affect the corporate governance of 170 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 8: many many major corporations. And what they did was they 171 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 8: decided to go in and buy together they bought a 172 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 8: lot of companies that produced coal, and they decided to 173 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 8: cut production, which has and they colluded to do this, 174 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 8: which we think is a violation not only federal law 175 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 8: but also state law that they colluded to drive up 176 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 8: the price of coal cut production. And when they cut production, 177 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 8: they're making more off of less basically, and they're harming 178 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 8: consumers by wor seeing people who can at least afford 179 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 8: it to have to pay higher energy prices and making 180 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 8: us more dependent on some of our enemies and having 181 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 8: to import more energy as opposed to producing it ourselves. 182 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 8: So we have plenty of energy in this country. President 183 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 8: Trump proved that last time when he pushed us towards 184 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 8: energy independence for the first time, and Biden did just 185 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 8: the opposite. He cut off the Keystone pipeline. He enabled 186 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 8: the Russians to build theirs up and done just the 187 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 8: opposity stop the Russians, and he helped us. And these 188 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 8: companies are in the middle of their little whether it's 189 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 8: climate change or profits. They are focused on cutting production 190 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 8: in America and allowing foreign foreign governments to control over 191 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 8: our energy production. 192 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: What what is the what does the situation look like 193 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: in terms of fast tracking more energy coming into the 194 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: to the basins there because certainly, uh Texas has that ability. 195 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: You've got, you've got the stuff that you need, But 196 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: what about getting more of that energy out of the 197 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: ground and into the consumer's hands. We remember very much, 198 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, how much more successful we were back when 199 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: when the when the prices were low and inflation wasn't 200 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the issue that it is today. 201 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 8: Look, I have no doubt that Trump will push those 202 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 8: policies again just like you did last time. And I 203 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 8: have no doubt that places like Texas and other energy 204 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 8: producing state like Oklahoma, we will produce more energy. Hard 205 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 8: to get the Keystone pipeline start again because all those 206 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 8: contractors are gone, So that's that's going to take a while. 207 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 8: But I hope that he puts the Keystone pipeline as 208 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 8: a priority for us because that allows us to have 209 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 8: more energy production for ourselves, but we can also export. 210 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 8: We can we can become an export nation on energy, 211 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 8: which is only good for us and that it creates 212 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 8: wealth and it's it allows us to have control over 213 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 8: our own energy production. 214 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: I want to take you back to to an issue 215 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: and I think it's hugely important what you're talking about 216 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: with the energy sector with the gouging sort of stuff 217 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: that's going on here with these with these companies, and 218 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: it's a very very important issue all the way around. 219 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: When you are acting as the attorney general in the 220 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: state of Texas, do you have any authority to fast 221 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: track deportation or to order the folks that are in 222 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: the country illegally I'm thinking of like trend de agraa 223 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: and things like that. Do you have the opportunity and 224 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: the ability to uh to fast track their removal from 225 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: the streets of of of the state of of the 226 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: state uh like Texas. 227 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 8: So our governor tried to do that and we got sued. 228 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 8: So we're in that we're in. We're now defending that 229 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 8: that ability and haven't been We've been handcuffed by the 230 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 8: by the litigation that the Biden administration brought against us. 231 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 8: My hope is now that the Trump administration is here, 232 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 8: they'll be wanting all the help they can get to 233 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 8: help deport people. So I'm optimistic that yes, we will 234 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 8: have the ability that our governor and our state police 235 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 8: will be able to be part of pushing these people 236 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 8: back across the border, back into Mexico, back into Canada, 237 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 8: and back from where they came from. So I am 238 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 8: optimist you at that because I know Trump he wants 239 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 8: to get people out of there and and focus on 240 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 8: legal immigration as posed to what we've had over the 241 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 8: last four years. 242 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a thought on President Trump incoming President 243 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Trump utilizing tariffs and things like that. You're you're obviously 244 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: right next to Mexico. Uh, there's all a lot of 245 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: transporter business that goes on there, you know, millions and 246 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars. 247 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: Will that be deleterious to to your efforts? What do 248 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: you see for that future approach to try to get 249 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: whether it's the Fentanel off the streets or to get 250 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: the UH to get the border under control. 251 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 8: Look, I I'm I'm for free trade, but when you 252 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 8: are talking about Mexico and Canada openly, you know, allowing 253 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 8: people to cross their country and then come across across 254 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 8: into our country, some of them criminals, some of them 255 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 8: you know, transporting fat and all and other drugs. I 256 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 8: think the only way you get their attention is to 257 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 8: do it economicy. Wow of that to happen over the 258 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 8: last four years, and I think when the President starts 259 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 8: taking money out of their pocket, then they're gonna then 260 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 8: they're gonna be more likely to cooperate with that. We're 261 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 8: not asking for something that's crazy or or unreasonable. We're 262 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 8: asking them to stop allowing people to cross into their 263 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 8: country just to be a transport region for for for 264 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 8: illegal immigration in our country. That should not be a 265 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 8: hard thing for them to do. It's actually, in my opinion, 266 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 8: easier to do that than to allow them to cross 267 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 8: through their own countries. 268 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 6: Great stuff. 269 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: We we appreciate you being here uh, with the with 270 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck Show today. It's a it's a 271 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: pleasure to speak with you. As I said, I I 272 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: admire the great work that you do. Where do people 273 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: go to get more information on on on these initiatives 274 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about today involving State Street, Vanguard and of 275 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: course black Rock. Where do people get more information from 276 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: from your. 277 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 8: Office at our state website has information about that. It's 278 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 8: a Texas o a g dot com uh, and it's 279 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 8: a it's a great website to see all the stuff 280 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 8: that we're doing. 281 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: We appreciate you spending time with us here on the 282 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: audience and we wish you a great Thanksgiving and thanks 283 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: so much for spending time with us today. 284 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 6: It's we're really happy to have you out there. 285 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, happy Thanksgiving to you and your audience. 286 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: You got it. 287 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely Look, that's this is this is what this is 288 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: all about, folks. Okay, states have a huge part of 289 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: the game. We are conditioned from the moment you go 290 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: into elementary school. We are conditioned that, oh, okay, you 291 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: have to ask for permission from the federal government to 292 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: manage your affairs. Right and if you're a governor, if 293 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: you're in the states, the power of the states are huge. 294 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 6: They are absolutely huge. 295 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I was watching a story earlier today that was dealing 296 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: with the people in New York and they're threatening, we're 297 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: going to hold back three hundred and sixty billion dollars 298 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: from the federal government's coffers because we don't like what 299 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is going to do as a president going 300 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: out there and enforcing the border. And so they're threatening. 301 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm not choking. I heard this is absolutely true. They're 302 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: threatening to take the state of New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, 303 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: Vermont and try to secede, and the southeastern province of Canada. 304 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: All right, that's what they're trying to get into the 305 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: business of doing. They want to try to secede because 306 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: they don't like the illegal immigration prescription that President Trump 307 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: is offering. Let's foolishness, it's nonsense, and by the way, 308 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: it's not going to work. But the fact is that 309 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: is how radical the people are on the left who 310 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: want you to sit back and say, well, there's nothing 311 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: we can do about the border. 312 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 6: No, there's plenty you can do about the border. 313 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing we can do about energy, you know energy, 314 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: we're just hamstrung. No, there's plenty you can do in 315 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: that regard. And let's be honest here. The lawlessness that 316 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: we're seeing is just absolutely insane. I want to go 317 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: back to the beginning story that we were talking about 318 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: here at the end of that last hour, and of 319 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: course in this hour, and that is the Trump cabinet 320 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: nominees appointees are targeted with violent un American threats Brooks 321 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: Sigmund with the piece up over at foxnews dot com. 322 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: The attacks have ranged on these folks, from bomb threats 323 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: to swatting. 324 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 6: In fact, lee. 325 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: Zelden issued the following statement, A pipe bomb threat targeting 326 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: me and my family at our home today was sent 327 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: in a pro Palestinian themed message. My family and I 328 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: were not home at the time and are safe. We 329 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: are working with law enforcement to learn more as the 330 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: situation develops. We are thankful for the swift actions taken 331 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: by local officers to keep our family, neighbors, and local 332 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: community secure. There's also another story that's out there moving 333 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: about the upcoming Macy's Parade, right, I mean, it's the 334 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: icon of the beginning of the holiday season. Right, You've 335 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: got all the balloons, you've got all the people gathering together, 336 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and now there's a concern that the folks who might 337 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: want to go to this event, you know, maybe having 338 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: to rethink these sorts of things because of what's going 339 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: on with the pro Hamas protests and the pro Hamas 340 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: ideology that's out there. You know, it's very interesting to 341 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: see how much more we are seeing the radical approach 342 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: here in the United States as opposed to other places 343 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: around the world. Certainly you have seen cities and communities 344 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: ravaged by horrible violence and dangers and things like that. 345 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: But now we're talking about what's going on over at 346 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: the Macy's Parade, which is an iconic location, and it's 347 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: something that means a lot to so many people who 348 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: believe that this is the way you should be celebrating 349 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: the beginning of this Thanksgiving holiday into Christmas, into Hanukkah, 350 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: into the New Year now. Last night and this morning, 351 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: several of President Trump's cabinet nominees and administration appointees were 352 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: targeted in violent Unamerican threats to their lives and to 353 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: those who live with them. In response, law enforcement quickly 354 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: acted to ensure safety of those who were targeted. President 355 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Trump and the entire transition team are grateful for their 356 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: swift action. So question I would have at this stage 357 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: of the game is DHS Secretary of ma Yorcus, what 358 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: do you know? Can you come out and give a briefing? 359 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about what it 360 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: is that you all are doing to try to track 361 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: this down? Merrick Garland, what are you doing? You're the 362 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: Attorney General at least for the next just about a 363 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: month and a half or so. What are you doing 364 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: about this? Christopher Ray? Remember last week Christopher Ray declined 365 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: to go in there and testify alongside Merrick Garland. I'm sorry, 366 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: majorcis because they didn't want to talk about any of 367 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the controversial stuff that's happening out there. 368 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 6: I'm gonna grab a break here, we're gonna come back. 369 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 6: I'm Brett Waterblee. 370 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Clay and buckshow and it is 371 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: a pleasure to be here with you on this auspicious occasion, Thanksgiving. 372 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: And you know, when you think back about all the 373 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgivings you've experienced, you think about the people who had 374 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: the biggest impacts on your life, and certainly one of 375 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: the biggest impacts in my life was Rush. And I 376 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: thought it would be very fitting to be the person 377 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: to get to do this in this in this way, 378 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: I want to go to eleven, twenty seven nineteen, So 379 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: that's November twenty seven, twenty nineteen, and it is Rush 380 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: Limbaugh telling the story of Thanksgiving, Part one, the journey. 381 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: Find what you were taught about Thanksgiving that I was 382 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: taught a version that goes like this. The pilgrim showed 383 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: up and they were incompetence. They were well intentioned, good 384 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: hearted people in comms, didn't know how to do anything, 385 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 4: and they were stumbling and bumbling around in a foreign place, 386 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 4: had no idea even where they were. 387 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: And as they're on the verge of starvation. 388 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: The Indians stumbled across them, across them and showed them 389 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: how to basically live. It gave them everything, showed them 390 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: how to grow crops and kill turkey and build tepees 391 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: and stuff. And so the pilgrim survived, and that we 392 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 4: were giving thanks. That thanksgiving is to acknowledge the Indians 393 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: role in saving the first Pilgrims. 394 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 3: Not the quaint story. 395 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 4: And it has attached itself to a number of people, 396 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 4: but it is nothing to do. Well, I can't say 397 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: that it's nothing to do, but it is very far 398 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: removed from what the first Thanksgiving is really a thanksgiving. 399 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: George Washington first proclaimed it thanksgiving. Well, who was thanking 400 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 4: who for what? 401 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: That's the root of the error. 402 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 4: The root of it is that the Pilgrims must have 403 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 4: been giving thanks to the Indians for saving them. That's 404 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: not what the Pilgrims were thankful for. As you will 405 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 4: soon hear, the story of the Pilgrims begins in the 406 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: early part of the seventeenth century sixteen hundreds. For those 407 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: of you in Rio London, the Church of England, under 408 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 4: King James the First was persecuting anyone in every one 409 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 4: one who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual authority. 410 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: The first Pilgrims were Christian rebels, folks. Those who challenged 411 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 4: King james ecclesiastical authority and those who believed strongly in 412 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed 413 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 4: for their religious beliefs. In England in the sixteen hundreds, 414 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 4: a group of separatists Christians who didn't want to buy 415 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 4: into the Church of England or living under the living 416 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: of the rule of King James fled to Holland and 417 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 4: established a community among themselves there for eleven years. After 418 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: eleven years, about forty of them, having heard about this 419 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 4: new world Christopher Columbus had discovered. 420 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: Forty of them decided to go. 421 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: Forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to 422 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 4: what was called a new world, where they knew they 423 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: would face hardships, but the reason they did it. 424 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: So they could live and worship. 425 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 4: God according to their own beliefs and consciences. On the 426 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 4: first of August sixteen twenty, the Mayflower set sail one 427 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: hundred two passengers, forty of them Pilgrims, now known as Pilgrims. 428 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: They were led by a man named William Bradford. Now 429 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 4: on the journey, William Bradford set up an agreement, a 430 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 4: contract that established how they would live once they got there. 431 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 4: The contract set forth just and equal laws for all 432 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 4: members of the new community, irrespective of political or religious beliefs. 433 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: The revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact are derived 434 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 4: straight from the Bible. The Pilgrims were a devoutly religious people, 435 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 4: completely steeped in lessons of both the Old and New Testaments. 436 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: Among others, they looked to the ancient Israelites for examples, 437 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 4: and because of the biblical precedence set forth in scripture, 438 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: they never doubted that their experiment would work. 439 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 3: They believed in God. 440 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: They believe they were in the hands of God. As 441 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: you know, is not a pleasure cruise. The journey to 442 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: the New World on a tiny by today damage ship 443 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 4: sailing ship. It was long, it was arduous, There was sickness, 444 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 4: There was sea sickness. 445 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: It was cold, it was wet. 446 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: The exact opposite of anything you think of today as. 447 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: A cruise on the open ocean. 448 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: When they landed in New England in November, they found, 449 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 4: according to William Bradford's journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. 450 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 4: There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There 451 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 4: were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns 452 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 4: where they could refresh themselves. There was nothing. The sacrifice 453 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: they made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, 454 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: half of the Pilgrims, including William Bradford's own wife, died 455 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 4: Peter star sarbation, sickness, or exposure. 456 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: They endured that first winter. 457 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: When spring finally came, they had by that time met 458 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: the indigenous peoples, the Indians, and the Indians indeed taught 459 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: settlers how to plant corn, how to fish, how to 460 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: skin beavers and other animals for coats, and life improved, 461 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: but there wasn't any prosperity. They did not yet prosper 462 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 4: They were still dependent, they were still confused. They were 463 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 4: still in a new place, essentially alone among like minded people. 464 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 4: Now it's important to understand all this because this is 465 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: where the modern American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is 466 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: explained that a lot of textbooks as a holiday for 467 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 4: which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the inn Indians for 468 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 4: saving their lives, instead of what it really was that 469 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: that happened don't misunderstand that all happened, but that's not 470 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 4: from William Bradford's own journal. 471 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: What they ultimately gave thanks. 472 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: For that is a rush. Part one the journey coming 473 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: up in just a little bit. We'll get to the 474 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: part of part two, the Plymouth Colony. This is such 475 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: an important piece of American history, but really, broadly speaking, 476 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: that the history of of all of us. Without without 477 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: this charting that we're seeing, we wouldn't we wouldn't know 478 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: this story. And it's it's it's a special special thing 479 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: to hear this, especially in his voice, with his with 480 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: his style, including references to Rio Linda. You know, not 481 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: to not to take this to any much of a 482 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: silly place, but there are some very strange Thanksgiving traditions 483 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: that exist out there. Turkey bowling. Did you ever hear 484 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: about turkey bowling? It involves using a frozen turkey as 485 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: a bowling ball and soda bottles as pins. Started in 486 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Newport Newport Beach, California and has become a fun, albeit 487 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: unusual Thanksgiving activity. 488 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 6: Turkey bowling. 489 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: How about turkey tossing? They have that in Indianapolis, Indiana. 490 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: People dress turkeys and baby onesies douse them and light 491 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: lighter fluid and then throw them across a football field. 492 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: It's bizarre, but it's entertaining. It's just amazing how the 493 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: how the society evolves. Then you've got frozen turkey bowling 494 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: at the University of Wisconsin lacrosse. 495 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 6: They they have an annual event where. 496 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: People bowl with frozen turkeys way to raise money to 497 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: combat smoking. And then, of course, we have as everybody knows, 498 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: we see it, we saw it last week, and that 499 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: is the presidential turkey pardon. Since the nineteen forties, the 500 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: presidents have been pardoning turkeys, sparing it from becoming dinner. 501 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: The turkey is then sent to live out its stays 502 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: at Mount Vernon, George Washington's former estate, have turkey eating competitions. 503 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: Some people will sit back and eat turkey, trying to 504 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: eat as much of a twenty pound turkey as possible. 505 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: My gosh, you're going to sleep for another six months. 506 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving masking, how about that? You heard of that one? 507 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: In the nineteenth century, people would dress up in costumes 508 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: and masks on Thanksgiving, similar to Halloween. The tradition eventually 509 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: evolved into ragamuffin Day. Whoever heard of ragamuffin day. 510 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 6: I don't know. 511 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: And then finally, for your consideration, pie throwing, because you 512 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: can eat the pie or you can throw the pie. 513 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: Pie throwing. Some families have a tradition of throwing pies 514 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 1: at each other after the Thanksgiving meal, leading to a 515 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: fun and messy dessert fight. Why are you doing that that? 516 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: That's one that I'm just I'm out on. I would 517 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: be one hundred percent out on that whole deal. Coming 518 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: up bottom of the hour, second part of Rush, and 519 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: of course the story of Thanksgiving. 520 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 6: I'm Bret Witterble. You're listening to the Clay and Buck 521 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 6: Show back after this. Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our 522 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 6: home to yours. 523 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: Have a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and. 524 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 6: Buck Show, and it's great to be here today. 525 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: Continuing our journey courtesy of Rush the Plymouth Colony. 526 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 6: This is part two of the first Thanksgiving. 527 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: Here's the part. 528 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 4: This original contract that they made on the Mayflower as 529 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 4: they were traveling to the New World. They actually had 530 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 4: to enter into that contract with merchant sponsors in London. 531 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: Because they had no money on their own. 532 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 4: They needed sponsors, and they found merchants in London to 533 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 4: sponsor them. The merchants in London were making an investment, 534 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: and as such, the Pilgrims agreed that everything they produced 535 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 4: would go into a common store or bank common account. 536 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 4: Each member of the community was entitled to one common 537 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 4: share in this bank, and out of this the merchants 538 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 4: would be repaid until they were paid off. All the 539 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 4: land that they cleared and all the houses they ultimately 540 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 4: built would belong to the community as well. Everything belonged 541 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 4: to everybody, and everybody had one share in it. They 542 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: were going to distribute everything equally. That was thought to 543 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 4: be the epitome of fairness, sharing the hardship burdens and 544 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 4: all that. Nobody owned anything, they just had a share 545 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: in it. It was a commune essentially, and it was 546 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 4: the forerunner of the communes we saw in the sixties 547 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: and seventies in California and other parts of the country. 548 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 3: And it was complete. They had organic vegetables. 549 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 4: By the way, Bradford, who had become the new governor 550 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 4: of this colony, recognized that it wasn't working, It was costly, 551 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 4: and it was destructive. His own journals chronicle the reasons 552 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: it didn't work. Bradford is to plot a land to fix. 553 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 4: This to each family to work and manage as their own. 554 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 4: He got rid of the whole commune structure and assigned 555 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 4: plots of land to each family to work and manage, 556 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 4: and whatever they made, however much they made, was theirs. 557 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 4: They could sell it, they could share it, they could 558 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 4: keep it, whatever they wanted to do. What really happened 559 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 4: they turned loose the power of a free market after 560 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 4: enduring months and months of hardship, first on the Mayflower 561 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 4: and then getting settled, and then the failure of the 562 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 4: common account from which everybody got. 563 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 3: There was no incentive for anybody to do anything. 564 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 4: And as is human nature, some of the pilgrims are 565 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 4: a bunch of lazy twerps, and others busted their rear ins, 566 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 4: but it didn't matter, because even the people that weren't 567 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 4: very industrious got the same as everybody else in Bradford 568 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 4: wrote about how this wasn't working. What Bradford and his 569 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 4: community found, I'm going to use his basically his own words. 570 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 4: The most creative and industrious people had no incentive to 571 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 4: work any harder than anyone else. While most of the 572 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for 573 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 4: well over one hundred years trying to refine it and 574 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 4: perfect it and reinvent it. 575 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 3: The Pilgrims. 576 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 4: Decided early on William Bradford decided to scrap it permanently 577 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 4: because it brought out the worst in human nature. 578 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 3: It emphasized laziness. 579 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 4: It created resentment because in every group of people, you've 580 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 4: got your self starters, and you've got your hard workers, 581 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 4: and you've got your lazy twerbs and so forth, and 582 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 4: there was no difference. At the end of the day. 583 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 4: The resentment sprang up on both sides. So Bradford wrote 584 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 4: about this for this community, so far as it was 585 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 4: was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard 586 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 4: much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. 587 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: For young men that were most able and fit for 588 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 4: labor and service, did repine that they should spend their 589 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 4: time and strength to work for other men's wives and 590 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 4: children without any recompense, without any payment. 591 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 3: That was thought injustice. Why should you work for other 592 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 3: people when you can't even work for yourself? What's the point. 593 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 4: The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to 594 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 4: do their best work without any incentive, So what did 595 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 4: Bradford's community. Try Next, they harnessed the power of good 596 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 4: old free enterprise. They invoked the undergirding capitalistic principle of 597 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 4: private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of 598 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 4: land work and permitted to market its own crime and products. 599 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: And you know what happened. This had very good success. 600 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 4: Wrote Bradford, For it made everybody industrious. So as much 601 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 4: more corn was planted than would have been. Is it 602 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 4: possible supply side economics could have existed before the nineteen eighties. 603 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 4: In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food 604 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 4: than they could eat themselves. Now this is where it 605 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 4: gets really good if you're laboring under any misconception that 606 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 4: I was as I was taught in school. 607 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 3: They set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians. 608 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 4: The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to 609 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 4: the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of 610 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 4: the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and becan what became 611 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 4: known as the. 612 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 3: Great Puritan Migration. 613 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 4: The world of the success of the free enterprise Plymouth 614 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 4: Colony spread like wildfire, and that began the Great Migration. 615 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 4: Everybody wanted a part of it. There was no mass 616 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 4: slaughtering of the Indians, there was no wiping out of 617 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 4: the Indigenous people. And eventually, in William Bradford's own journal, 618 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 4: unleashing the industriousness of all hands ended up producing more 619 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 4: than they could ever need themselves. So trading posts began 620 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 4: selling an exchanging thing with the and the. 621 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 3: Indians, by the way, were very helpful. 622 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 4: Puritan kids had relationships with the children of the Native 623 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 4: Americans that they found this killing the Indigenous people stuff. 624 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 3: This this they're they're talking. 625 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 4: About much much, much, much later, has nothing to do 626 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 4: with the first thing. The first Thanksgiving, William Bradford and 627 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 4: Plymouth Colony thanking God. 628 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 3: For their blessings. That's the first Thanksgiving. 629 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with being grateful to the Indians, don't missus, Nan, 630 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 4: But the true meaning of Thanksgiving. And this is what 631 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 4: George Washington recognized in his first Thanksgiving proclamation. 632 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: And that is the real story. So when you sit 633 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: down to your meal tomorrow and the leftovers and the 634 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: family is talking to you and saying, well, you know, 635 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: this is really the worst thing ever. You now know 636 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: you have been immunized in the best possible way, because 637 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: you understand the full story. 638 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 6: My name is Brett Winterable. I'm in for Clay and 639 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 6: buck 640 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,439 Speaker 7: Ey