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Speaker 1: From Futuro Media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Marieno Rossa.

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Speaker 1: Today a preview of the first episode of season two

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Speaker 1: of our Bulletzer Prize winning podcast Suave. Well, Dear listener,

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Speaker 1: it's been seven years since the release of David Luis

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Speaker 1: Suave Gonzalez from a maximum security prison. Suave had been

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Speaker 1: sentenced to life without parole as a teenager. But you

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Speaker 1: might remember we were there when Suave finally walked out

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Speaker 1: of prison seven years ago. Now, Suave is navigating life

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Speaker 1: as a freeman and dealing with all of the feelings

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Speaker 1: and pressure that comes with it, because starting over is

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Speaker 1: complic and on the outside, life can come at you

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Speaker 1: dangerously fast. This season, we're gonna go deep into Suaves's

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Speaker 1: quest to define what freedom really means for him. Rieta

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Speaker 1: Martinelli is the host of Suavest season two, and she's

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Speaker 1: gonna guide us through this journey. And just a warning,

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Speaker 1: dear listener, this episode contained some strong language.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a pussy. I'm not a pussy at all.

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Speaker 2: What makes you think you could try me? And I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to react because if I get tugger, somebody's

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Speaker 2: going to get hurt. Not fake hurt, real hurt.

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Speaker 3: This is the voice of a man who's found himself

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Speaker 3: at the end of his rope, a man who survived

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Speaker 3: more than thirty years in a max security prison, got out,

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Speaker 3: became successful, built what many would consider is a dream life,

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Speaker 3: and now seven years later, was risking it all.

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Speaker 2: So I guess I don't go ejail down? Yeah, Pope

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Speaker 2: to Teddy bed. Now that you got the grizzly bed,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna fuck with me. That's how it's gonna go down.

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Speaker 2: It's on site. It's not gonna be let's talk outside.

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Speaker 4: It's on site.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know where we're at. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: on site. That's the do y'all wanted, y'all know.

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Speaker 3: And the reason the reason, as the gliic goes, is

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Speaker 3: that you can leave prison, but prison never really leaves you.

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Speaker 3: But before we get there, let's start with happier times.

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Speaker 1: Okay, come on, we're gonna get a picture.

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Speaker 5: Hey.

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Speaker 3: We're standing outside Columbia University's historic Low Library in New

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Speaker 3: York City. It's October twentieth, twenty twenty two, and spirits

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Speaker 3: are high. Most of the team behind the Swave podcast

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Speaker 3: is here, including journalists Marie no Josa, what's up?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 3: And Swave, a man who for a long time never

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Speaker 3: imagined that he would ever leave a prison cell, let

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Speaker 3: alone be here at the ceremony for the Pulitzer Price.

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Speaker 2: I'm walking in and I'm looking, and I'm looking all

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Speaker 2: these expenses, so I only paid like ninety dollars for

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Speaker 3: We walk up the iconic Columbia Steps, through the doors,

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Speaker 3: past statues of Zeus and Apollo.

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Speaker 5: It feels like standing in a Greek temple.

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Speaker 3: None of the other journalists here invited their sources to

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Speaker 3: the ceremony. In a sea of black boat ties, Swabe

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Speaker 3: is rocking this bright blood red tie.

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Speaker 5: One by one.

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Speaker 3: The winners are now stupid story. They called him swab

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Speaker 3: like the shampoo. But whatever. On stage, we hold hands

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Speaker 3: and Swave it holds the award. Swave decides immediately he's

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Speaker 5: After dinner, there's a reception.

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Speaker 3: There's lots of very polite mingling happening over wine. Pretty boring,

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Speaker 3: to be honest, So we sneak off outside for some

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Speaker 3: fun of our own. Right on the Columbia Steps, we

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Speaker 3: sip on our drinks maybe even a little joint gets sparked.

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Speaker 2: We go out with side and in my head, I'm thinking,

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Speaker 2: tonight it's the night that I realized I'm free. I'm

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Speaker 2: really free. It was like one of the movies that

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Speaker 2: But at the end, you know, when they sit like

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Speaker 3: In this moment, everything is perfect. A man who was

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Speaker 3: highest award in journalism.

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Speaker 5: That was the night that mister Pulitzer was born.

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Speaker 4: Y'all know what it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is your man, Swab.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just chilling it. A tough man ready to

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Speaker 3: But I just want to introduce you man.

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Speaker 4: Yo.

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Speaker 2: This is the Adventures of Swave Gonzales and his full

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Speaker 2: of shir.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I'm going to with my pullus.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give my Pullaser shower because you know,

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Speaker 2: we got to stay clean, man. You know, we just

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Speaker 3: Mister Pulleitzer living his best life. It's happily ever after.

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Speaker 3: Right from Futuro Studios. This is Suave. I'm Julie de Martinelli.

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Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, David Luis Swave Gonzales was released from

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Speaker 3: prison after thirty one years serving a life sentence without parole.

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Speaker 3: He was one of thousands of juvenile life first granted

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Speaker 3: a second chance at life. This is a story about

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Speaker 3: life after incarceration and the search for the true meaning

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Speaker 3: of freedom. This is season two, Maria.

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Speaker 5: How are you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Julieta, I am great. I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: season two. We're here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're back. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe we should introduce ourselves, right.

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Speaker 5: Yes, of course.

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Speaker 3: So you are legendary journalists marieo Josa, the host of

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Speaker 3: Latino USA and the founder of Futura Media.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, legendary is a big word. But in this case,

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Speaker 1: because I'm actually part of this story, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to be doing the job of hosting. That is going

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Speaker 1: to be done by the host of Suavest season two,

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Speaker 1: and that is you, Julieta Martinelli.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Hi, So I'm Julieta.

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Speaker 3: I've been covering criminal justice pretty much all of my career,

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Speaker 3: and I'm actually the co producer of season one of suaves.

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Speaker 3: So I was always there in the background, reporting and

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Speaker 3: writing for the show. And you might have even heard

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Speaker 3: me here and there in that season, most notably on

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Speaker 3: episode six while running down the street, Like running.

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Speaker 5: Threw me off. Well, clearly he lives at that house,

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Speaker 5: and we should hire the fuck.

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Speaker 4: Up and get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, get out of there as fast as possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I applied for the job to

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Speaker 3: work on season one because the prison system has always

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Speaker 3: been really real for me, right, It's always been a

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Speaker 5: And here I was undocumented.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in a community around a lot of

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Speaker 3: think that we're always telling the story about those gray areas, right,

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Speaker 3: And so the story we're telling the season. It's a

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Speaker 3: the majority of his life locked up, freedom for Suave

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Speaker 3: has not been everything he imagined it would be.

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Speaker 1: Now, for those of you out there who are new

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Speaker 1: to the show, in season one, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: you should really go listen to right now, but in

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Speaker 1: season one, we told the story of Luis Suave Gonzalez.

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Speaker 1: Now I met him decades ago in a maximum security

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Speaker 1: prison in Pennsylvania. Suave at that time, he was convicted

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Speaker 1: without parole. And after we met that day, well, I

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Speaker 1: we developed, you know, a relationship, right, some people might

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Speaker 1: up happening is that laws changed because of the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: and so we documented his release and we followed the

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Speaker 3: So you know, Maria, when season one ended in twenty

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Speaker 3: I mean, we definitely thought about it.

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Speaker 1: Right right, he's out of prison, I mean, end of story.

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Speaker 1: We tracked it all as the time passed. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I realized, hold on a second, like this story

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Speaker 1: kept documenting everything that was happening in Swabi's life, and

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Speaker 3: Early on in reporting, I asked Swavit what he thought

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Speaker 5: Should be about.

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Speaker 3: But as I've been thinking about writing season two, in

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Speaker 3: wanting to get a stable job, like a relationship. That's

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Speaker 3: kind of where you were when we ended. I see

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Speaker 3: episode one, what a swather want to achieve in season?

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Speaker 2: In life listed season one, I was living life I

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Speaker 2: wasn't having fun. I was fucking boring.

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say stress, but I was out of touch

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Speaker 2: I chose to do that. Now it's like, fuck, I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: Who has some fun? And I know that it can

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Speaker 2: with season two, I'm hoping that people get it. Man, Like,

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Speaker 2: we're human beings. We've just been denied certain things because

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Speaker 2: I came home when I was twenty one, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at it in them turns right now.

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Speaker 1: We are going to get to that destructive path that

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Speaker 3: Fun, especially after the Pulitzer. I mean, things really just

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Speaker 2: I've been awarded like three different awards. Well, there's been

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Speaker 2: a couple of new stories.

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Speaker 5: My local man is doing what he can to save

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Speaker 5: our streets. He spent decades behind bars.

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Speaker 3: Sean Att Wilson introduces us to this inspiring man.

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Speaker 2: I was given a second chance for a reason making music.

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Speaker 2: Making music. That's something that I'm doing, you know, he

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Speaker 2: went on me, Man, I'm like a William inside of

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Speaker 2: my I was Maily, your child and making decisions thirty

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Speaker 2: one years I was locked in a prison, started my

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Speaker 2: own truth Prime True Story, episodes of podcasts with different people.

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Speaker 2: As a Lieutenant governor, what is your position on juvenile

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Speaker 2: life is coming home and being on parole for life?

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Speaker 1: I think that the the juvenile life for.

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Speaker 3: Decision is the live podcast recordings are a big success.

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Speaker 2: It was pack house, really, I'm talking about we had

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Speaker 2: to turn people away, damn.

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Speaker 3: And he's drawing the attention of some very important people.

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Speaker 5: It's no boost about it. It's like the City Service

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Speaker 2: They did a round up of the building. You know,

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Speaker 5: Asked Biden come in.

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Speaker 3: Ashley Biden as in that Biden the former president's daughter.

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Speaker 5: Is right, I want to work with you. I'm like, sure,

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Speaker 2: And is looking at each other like really happening.

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Speaker 5: So that's where we are today.

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Speaker 3: You could say that it's a new day for Suave,

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Speaker 5: Mister Pulitzer is killing it.

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Speaker 1: I remember when you told me that he was mister Pulitzer,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe it's fed into his tendency that he

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Speaker 3: already has to be a little bit of a diva

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Speaker 1: Word, just a little bit of a diva.

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Speaker 3: So Joey Deville, a younger friend of Suave that he mentors,

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Speaker 1: You throw a lot of tantrums.

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Speaker 2: I do why y'all got this on a menu?

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Speaker 6: Young because he was like, I'm sorry, sir, that Berger's

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Speaker 1: We don't have any more of that.

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Speaker 6: You want to order something that, why would you have

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Speaker 6: raise the menu, They're saying, there, pal Bro, we had

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Speaker 6: you started eating it because you was hungry as shit, diva.

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Speaker 6: But I thought you to know this is it Dan, motherfucker.

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Speaker 6: If a white man come in to here, would a

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Speaker 6: is not right? Excuse me?

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna make it right for you.

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is like, if if a white

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Speaker 3: nobody's gonna call him a diva for a complaint.

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Speaker 6: They're not.

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Speaker 4: They're not.

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Speaker 2: But my old people were like, you acting diva?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: You acting extra.

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Speaker 6: I was there, you were extra. You were actual with

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Speaker 2: Well you're comical.

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Speaker 1: Because it's really you.

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Speaker 6: You don't even be kind of be funny.

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Speaker 2: This really be you.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to ask mister Pulletzer himself about all

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Speaker 1: of this later. So when you're walking down the streets

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Speaker 1: here we go again, Like I just.

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Speaker 2: Know you know that ship plays in my eagles.

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Speaker 5: I was like, guess you love it.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Listen, I ain't gonna lie. And you

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Speaker 2: know the young people pretend to have this swag with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my old.

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Speaker 2: Here's got a bullish that's bigger than a Grammy. It's

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Speaker 3: Like, whoa.

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Speaker 2: That was like, you should collaborate with Kendrid to morn Yeah,

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Speaker 2: both got a pullaster.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, the truth is is that we

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Speaker 1: have talked about this right, Like, you have to have

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Speaker 2: I do. I have a big ego. Yeah. I could

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Speaker 2: say that now because I'm more comfortable with it. I

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Speaker 2: remember I had a conversation with Julia da about a

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Speaker 2: to happen always end up with some bad shit. I

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Speaker 2: you have the rite to be happy. I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna celebrate this. It could be twenty

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Speaker 2: years from now. You can't take that away. I don't

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Speaker 2: care if it's twenty years thirty years. We want. If

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Speaker 2: I could inspire other young people to believe that they

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Speaker 2: could do the same, why not.

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Speaker 3: One day in November, Marie and I come down to

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Speaker 3: Philly to visit Suave. Suave is working with young people

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Speaker 3: as a support coach of I Am More. That's a

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Speaker 2: You know, we're not talking about traditional students. We talk

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Speaker 2: about people that are basically homeless coming to school. So

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Speaker 2: the school is a safe haven for them. They're coming

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Speaker 2: to school early because they don't want to be in

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Speaker 3: Being here just a few minutes, it's clear that Swave

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Speaker 3: is that teacher, you know, the one. He's got dozens

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Speaker 3: of Jordan's and all the colorways. He rocks a fly

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Speaker 2: Being surrounded by younger people. They looking at me like

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Speaker 3: So today we are at Swabist School and we're really

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Speaker 3: trying to record a catch up interview with Swave.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, yet the trying would be the key word,

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Speaker 1: because you know, he's a busy guy. Now, so students

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Speaker 1: Right now, they're like a dozen students. They're eating snacks,

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Speaker 1: they're having conversations. They're joking around. They're like, they're like

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Speaker 4: You saying that you sing like Russia rights. We can't

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Speaker 4: be shot. Now what I'm just said, I.

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Speaker 1: Need a vacae, did he girl?

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Speaker 3: I'll know what to do.

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Speaker 5: I need a bey.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So the thought that I am now a guest in

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Speaker 1: a class that Suave is teaching is truly mind blowing

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Speaker 1: because for years in one of my jobs as a

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Speaker 1: and that's how he would talk to my students. And

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Speaker 1: now here I am visiting a class that he's teaching.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and now here you are in Philly,

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Speaker 3: sitting in his classroom and he's so excited for you

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's such a beautiful moment.

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Speaker 3: But before you can really get into this further with Suave,

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Speaker 1: So one of the biggest surprises for me on this

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like non stop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, every fifteen minutes it just goes off.

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Speaker 1: Yeoh, I think it's every ten minutes we call from Pard,

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Speaker 1: an incarcerated individual at SCI Phoenix State Correctional Institution, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the times it's friends. Well guys, we're

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Speaker 1: calling him from inside of prison.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Bro, I'm telling you, Bro. I'm telling you, Bro,

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Speaker 2: you know how much ice cream you could sell out here. Bro,

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Speaker 2: you'd be rich selling ice cream out here versus being

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Speaker 3: Soapa later tells me that one of his jobs when

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Speaker 3: at commissary, which he may or may not have skimmed

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it that day. I ain't gonna preach it,

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Speaker 2: you know, Bro, Love you, Bro, And you better call

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Speaker 2: me again. Bro, you better call me soon.

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Speaker 5: That's what you city.

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Speaker 2: I will.

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Speaker 1: Know a long time since I had heard the SCI

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Speaker 1: made rate one minute. It had been a long time

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Speaker 3: Swe Nearly seven years out of prison, Suave is still

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Speaker 1: Save is working at this re entry program at school right,

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Speaker 2: I get phone calls every day, at least twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: that've never seen a pullaser right calling me telling them

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Speaker 2: I'm like, at first, I used to get pissed off

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Speaker 2: somebody has to be the voice, and this is what

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Speaker 2: it means being the voice for the voiceless. Bro, no

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Speaker 2: matter how much you try to run from it, you

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Speaker 2: I'm not running for an I'm embracing it. I'm embracing

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Speaker 3: That night, November twentieth, twenty twenty three, we celebrate the

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Speaker 3: anniversary of suavest release from prison at Freddie and Tony's.

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Speaker 3: It's this little Puerto Rican joint in North Philly, the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood where Suave grew up. He has a virgin pinaco

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Speaker 3: laa mofongo, and a steakan Sevoyal.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like a really chill moment, and

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Speaker 1: and suavit tells us that while on the outside everything

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Speaker 2: I just feel sometimes that being free is not what

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Speaker 2: everybody think it is. It's really not and it's not

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Speaker 2: really Everybody hype it up like you're free, you could

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Speaker 2: do whatever you want to do. It's all your pains

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Speaker 2: and misery are gone. That's bullshit, man. My miseries and

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Speaker 2: pains are just starting. Like seriously, I never had this

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Speaker 2: much misery and pain in my life. When I was

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Speaker 2: You know, you cold shut everything down. And I'll hear

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Speaker 2: you can't do that because you got people looking for you,

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Speaker 2: got people that want they lean on you for their support,

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Speaker 2: for their comfort. I don't want to live up to

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Speaker 2: nobody expectations and none of that. You know, I'm done

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Speaker 2: with that. I am not happy. I'm glad I'm home.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad about that. But if you say describe happy,

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Speaker 2: I should be able to describe happy, and I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I won't even know how to start to

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Speaker 6: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: So In Mexico, there's the concept of like I let

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Speaker 1: little prison. The prisoners in the jail, they're in the

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Speaker 1: small prison, but the rest of us. We're living in

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Speaker 1: the big prison, the prison of you know, this whole

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Speaker 1: existential question about humanity, and and we've talked a lot

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Speaker 2: You know. As much as I like to fake myself

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Speaker 2: I wasn't ready. You know, I'm learning how to get

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Speaker 2: through it, but I wasn't ready. Nobody gave me a

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Speaker 2: crash course, like, this is what's gonna happen. You know,

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Speaker 2: you gotta pay bills, You're gonna confront this, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: be heartbroken, You're gonna have doubts about this. It's just hard,

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Speaker 2: you know. And and sometimes from the outside it looks

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Speaker 2: really now, you know, I'm just getting by.

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Speaker 5: Swabe did the unthinkable.

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Speaker 3: He beat a life sentence, but he's not yet free.

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Speaker 5: Coming up on this season of Swaveing.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's him right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by shot.

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Speaker 3: Seven years out of prison, Swave is still looking for

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Speaker 3: a way home.

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Speaker 5: What's going on for you?

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Speaker 2: It's my first time here. I in forty five years

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Speaker 2: when I came out with another kid.

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Speaker 5: He makes the trip of a lifetime.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy that I'm here sharing with my family because

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Speaker 2: I was in prison.

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Speaker 3: This is history, but swavest relationships are tested.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to deal with relationship. I dealt

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Speaker 2: with that relationship the same way I dealt with a cell.

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Speaker 2: Make mean you are not getting the loan, you gotta move.

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Speaker 6: If I got to sell.

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Speaker 2: Then you start getting phone calls? What time you get

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Speaker 2: off from work?

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Speaker 6: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know. Mentally is like, I'm not ready for.

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Speaker 5: This, and cracks start to form.

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Speaker 1: How is it that I became the mother figure in

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Speaker 1: your fucking life? Because that's not what I want to be.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're trying to get it with this.

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Speaker 1: People are like, oh, swave season one it's all about

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Speaker 1: you being friends. It's like, guess what it's not friends?

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Speaker 3: And how on the outside life can come at you

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Speaker 3: dangerously fast.

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Speaker 2: With me, that's bun go down, that's the do what

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Speaker 2: my Mother's great.

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Speaker 3: I just don't want to see your backlos that, but like,

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Speaker 3: that's scariously fucking shit at me.

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Speaker 5: That's coming up on season two of swave.

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Speaker 1: My thanks to Julieta Martinelli for hosting this episode with

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Speaker 1: me and What you just heard is the first episode

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Speaker 1: of the Suavit podcast season two. It's a roller coaster

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Speaker 1: of an incredible story about the very long shadow of prison.

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Speaker 1: Plus at Puturo Studios dot org. Suave season two is

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Speaker 1: produced by Julia Ta Martinelli with help from associate producer

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Speaker 1: Lileanadries and edited by Marlon Bishop. Dan ri Veos is

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Speaker 1: and Nancy Trujillo. Our engineers are Stephanie Lebau and Julia Caruso.

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Speaker 1: Our fact checker is Amy Tar. Production help from Joaquin Coppler,

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Speaker 1: Jrim Marquez and Tasha Sandoval. Our executive editors are Marlon Bishop,

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Speaker 1: Maria Garcia, Suave Gonzalez and myself. And now for our

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Speaker 1: of the team from Sana Guire, Felicia Dominguez, Fernanda Chavari,

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Speaker 1: Luis Luna, Marta Martinez, Monica Morales, Garcia, JJ Carubin and

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Speaker 1: Nour Saudi Penni, Lee Ramirez, Marlon Bishop, Maria Garcia and

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Speaker 1: I are co executive producers and I'm your host, Mariao Josa.

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Speaker 1: Join us again on our next episode. In the meantime,

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