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Speaker 1: Now we welcome you to Big Bill Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. The phone number for you

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Speaker 1: is two one four five one three. He's Lance Mettal.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmelk. The John's coming off a very debilitating

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Speaker 1: and disappointing seventeen nothing loss at the hands of the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans and MetLife Stadium on Sunday, and Lance is

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Speaker 1: one of those games where all three phases the Giants

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Speaker 1: failed to execute to the level uh to which you

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Speaker 1: can get a win in the National Football League. And

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Speaker 1: it was seven nothing for much of the game, but

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Speaker 1: you just never got the sense that the Giants offense

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Speaker 1: was gonna be able to do enough to win this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, John, you mentioned there was seven nothing.

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Speaker 1: I never felt as if the Giants were truly even

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Speaker 1: in the game with a seven nothing deficits. So when

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Speaker 1: you take that into consideration, the offense not being able

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Speaker 1: to run the football effectively, that was obviously a big

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Speaker 1: part of it, and also the defense not being able

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Speaker 1: to take away the football. So those two things were

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Speaker 1: facets of this team that worked so well for them

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Speaker 1: during this four and one record following the bye. When

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Speaker 1: you remove those two factors. It's back to what we

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Speaker 1: saw the first half of the season. This defense has

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Speaker 1: been dependent on takeaways throughout the entire season. When they

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Speaker 1: get them, they win. When they don't, they lose. It

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Speaker 1: goes hand in hand. And when they've run the football effectively, John,

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Speaker 1: they've been in the mix of games, they've been competitive.

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Speaker 1: When they did not do that in the first half

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Speaker 1: of the season, it was a rather lopsided affair. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think you hit the two big ones. Giants

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Speaker 1: have been plus two are better on all their wins.

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Speaker 1: There were minus two against the Titans that swung the

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Speaker 1: game ten points. Eli's pick took a potential field goal

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Speaker 1: off the board, and then his fumble put the Titans

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Speaker 1: in position to score touchdowns. That's a ten point swing

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Speaker 1: right there. Uh. The Giants couldn't run the football and

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Speaker 1: the Titans could run the football. And uh, I know

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Speaker 1: people will complain about the balance, and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in a second. Sakoon Barkley just fourteen rushes for

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Speaker 1: thirty one yards, Derrick Henry thirty three for one seventy.

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Speaker 1: You want to understand why one team won and the

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Speaker 1: other lost, That's it right there. It's really that simple. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Giants tried to run the ball too, And I

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Speaker 1: looked at the offense this morning. I actually tracked um

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Speaker 1: all their plays shotgun understand entered twelve. What type of

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Speaker 1: personnel there went and they were kind of in the

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Speaker 1: same personnel they've been for the last five games. They

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Speaker 1: didn't really change it up much. The only difference is

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Speaker 1: that Scott Simonson was only on the field for three snaps.

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Speaker 1: Evan England played a lot more. But watching the plays

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram was not the reason that Giants didn't run

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Speaker 1: the football in this game. The Titans committed to stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. They brought extra guys up and they challenged

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Speaker 1: the Giants receivers to beat them down the field that

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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. They couldn't do it. Sae Kwon Barkley.

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Speaker 1: Um only had six of his fourteen runs went for

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Speaker 1: more than two yards. Four of his first nine runs

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Speaker 1: went for negative yards, and if you think of it,

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Speaker 1: zero negative yards. And if you look at this way,

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Speaker 1: lance he had thirty one rushing yards. He had one

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Speaker 1: carry for seventeen yards. In the mix it was other

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Speaker 1: thirteen went for fourteen yards. So it helps when you

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Speaker 1: lose one, you lose ten yards on one of the runs. Correct.

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Speaker 1: They just could not consistently run the football in this game,

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Speaker 1: and to put them in a bunch of unfavorable situations

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Speaker 1: a pen these would help with that to three sacks

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Speaker 1: of Elie Manning. The negative plays were back in full force.

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Speaker 1: And this Giants offense is not, as we've been saying

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Speaker 1: for a few weeks. If you're gonna throw the ball

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Speaker 1: forty times, you're not gonna win. And the Titans defense

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Speaker 1: made the Giants throw the ball that many times. Well,

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Speaker 1: and when you can't run the football and you have

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Speaker 1: those negative plays, you also cannot convert on third down,

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Speaker 1: and that was an absolute killer for this team. They

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Speaker 1: were three of sixteen on third down. Half of those

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Speaker 1: third downs eight to be exact, were for ten yards

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Speaker 1: or more, and a third and twenty and a third

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Speaker 1: fewer than seven yards? Well, I have those numbers in front. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well it was it was four for fewer than seven yards.

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Speaker 1: So it's really really difficult to win a football game

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Speaker 1: when you have sixteen third down opportunities ten I mean

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Speaker 1: And it was a recipe for disaster in the first

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Speaker 1: half of the season to John when they have been

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Speaker 1: in constant third in law longs. And it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: always because they couldn't run the football, which was a

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Speaker 1: major issue in this Tennessee game. It was the self

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Speaker 1: inflicted wounds. The team had ten penalties yesterday. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: all on the offense, but off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: just think about how many drives John were stalled as

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Speaker 1: a result of false start penalty or an illegal formation.

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Speaker 1: And then there was obviously that drive that I referenced

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Speaker 1: earlier when Kawon Barkley lost ten yards on a run.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple of here lands. Drive number two.

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Speaker 1: The Giants have it first and ten on Tennessee's thirty

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley negative ten yard run. Then you're in a

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Speaker 1: you get an incomplete pass Barkley and run for no

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Speaker 1: That series was over. The final drive or let's jump now,

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Speaker 1: two quarter number three, the second time the Giants really

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Speaker 1: full start makes it second and thirteen and correct, that

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Speaker 1: for one yard and then Jamal Bran gets called for

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Speaker 1: second and nineteen from the eight. Two plays later, what

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Speaker 1: do you have? An Elon Manning interception. So those are

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Speaker 1: the types of negative players were talking about. Evan ingram

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Speaker 1: at a hold on the first possession of the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: I looked at the tape. I didn't see a hold.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a bad call, but you still

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Speaker 1: had it and that took a se kwon Barkley's seven

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Speaker 1: they did not do enough offensively from an execution standpoint.

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Speaker 1: That's not kind of the drops sake one had a

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Speaker 1: drop Sterling. I would argue strong shepherded four drops in

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Speaker 1: He could have had as many as four drops in

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Speaker 1: your other wide receiver's gotta make plays. Uh, they didn't

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Speaker 1: really think that should surprise anybody. They got a Pro

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Speaker 1: gonna see those plays, whether it be Logan, Ryan, Malcolm Butler,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Byer, do you name it. They've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of playmakers there. And I think also the Titans did

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Speaker 1: John to me what other teams did early in the

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Speaker 1: we didn't see it on the last five games where

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Speaker 1: Tennessee runs some stunts and some trickery and mixes and

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Speaker 1: matches coverages, and we know from the first half of

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Speaker 1: the season those first eight games that hurt the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Go back to that Cowboys game. Remember early in the season,

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Speaker 1: Dallas had a field day with stunts in that game.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee added a little flavor in that department, and they're

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Speaker 1: also bringing defensive back from different areas. It's funny watching

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Speaker 1: the game, I thought they blitzed a lot more. Looking

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Speaker 1: mentioned the stunts in the games, and I think Lance,

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons we haven't seen it as much

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Speaker 1: aren't in those You can't run stunts when a team

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Speaker 1: can run the ball, you know, that's how you get

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Speaker 1: that it's a lot easier. So that I think opened

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Speaker 1: it up a whole lot. Ei Manning to not play

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Speaker 1: Instead he came off the sterling shepherd. I think it

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Speaker 1: was dropped out on Russer. Shepheld like you said before,

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Speaker 1: got the pick um. Eli lost the ball on the fumble,

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Speaker 1: which obviously can't do in that situation deep in your territory.

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Speaker 1: and it's just that he was trying to do after

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Speaker 1: the game, John, but it was hard to see whether

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Speaker 1: or not indeed he was gonna have any success shoveling.

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Speaker 1: He probably the best decision in that circumstances is cover

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Speaker 1: punting in any way. You know, risking the fumble isn't

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Speaker 1: the Titans got pressure, and I thought a lot of

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Speaker 1: the pressure came off the right side of the Giant's

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Speaker 1: his best game either, especially in past protection and look, Lance,

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Speaker 1: we had the formula. We've been talking about it for

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Speaker 1: for a month. Literally, you gotta run the ball third

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Speaker 1: and manageable play with the lead, protect the football, be

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Speaker 1: efficient in the passing game. None of that happened in

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Speaker 1: this game offensively for the Giants, and that's why it

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Speaker 1: I think you really felt the loss of Beckham in

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Speaker 1: so I mean, look, you got got a lot of

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Speaker 1: really good players. Anyway to five, one, three, let's get

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Speaker 1: you on the phone. We'll talk about the game, anything

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Speaker 1: else you want to talk about with the Giants and

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Speaker 1: will continue to break it down as you go along.

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Speaker 1: the season. Let's go to Troy in New York Online

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Speaker 1: one Matt. Let's set off with him. What's up? Troy? Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you guys going today? What's up? I want to

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Speaker 1: start off by saying, UM, talking about defense yesterday, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think we made a lot of business decisions. A

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Speaker 1: lot of guys don't want to tack with Derrick Kenny

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Speaker 1: like you. Guys are losing to UM. A lot of

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Speaker 1: dropped passes as well by the receivers. But we we

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Speaker 1: we really need to address you our manny guys. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not fair to the fans. It's not fair to

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Speaker 1: the offensive line the way how I hear that we

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Speaker 1: talked about the offensive line and who's not blocking and

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Speaker 1: who needs to be better. I want you guys to

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Speaker 1: just just picture having a tackle in dummy behind five

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Speaker 1: guys and asking these five guys to protect the tackling dummy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not calling Eli Manning a dummy, But what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is if the court that cannot move in the

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Speaker 1: pocket create Troy had a question for you, try I

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Speaker 1: have a question for you. Do you think Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is a good quarterback? Tom brads an excellent quarterback? Did

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Speaker 1: did you did you watch the game against the Steelers yesterday? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I did watch that game. So do you think Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady was a tackling dummy back? There? Is? That? Is

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Speaker 1: that how you would define him? Here's the opposite about

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Tom Brady is very good at making people

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Speaker 1: miss in the phone booth. Oh come on, give me

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Speaker 1: a break, Come on, dude, back there. Just like, here's

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. We can't really put tom Brady

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Speaker 1: in the same class with Eli Manning because I've watched

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Speaker 1: countless amount of games where Tom Brady has brought his

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Speaker 1: team back, galvanize his team. But Troy, I'm not comparing

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Speaker 1: them as quarterbacks. I'm comparing their mobility, which is the

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Speaker 1: factors just brought up, and their ability to make people

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Speaker 1: mix and move and things like that, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: not not not neither one of them can move. And

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Speaker 1: Eli has never been able to move well. And I'll

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Speaker 1: throw another guy. What about Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers belongs

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Speaker 1: to this conversation. He can't move. He can't move either,

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Speaker 1: and last time I checked, he took care of himself

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Speaker 1: against Chiefs. But here's the thing, here's the thing where

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Speaker 1: we talk about Philip Rivers and Tom Brady. Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: haven't won a rain. But what difference does that make?

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Speaker 1: What difference does that? See, you're getting off topic. Stop

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Speaker 1: changing the conversation, Troy. We're talking about statue sue quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: guys that don't have mobility that make it a little

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Speaker 1: bit more challenging on their respective offensive lines. I don't

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Speaker 1: care whether Philip Rivers doesn't have, Troy. If you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Eli's bad throws yesterday and he didn't

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Speaker 1: play that well, fine, go ahead, that's fair game. But

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Speaker 1: his mobility is what it is. You can win with

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Speaker 1: a pocket quarterback that can't move guys in today's in

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Speaker 1: today's football, where we have guys that are being bigger, stronger,

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Speaker 1: and faster, it helps to have a quarterback that has

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Speaker 1: a little bit mobility that can create an extent plague. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't guarantee winning. Is what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is needing the Chargers having Eli having Eli.

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Speaker 1: I've seen Elia himself so many times, I mean, down

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Speaker 1: before doesn't even get him. This is unacceptable. I also

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Speaker 1: watched hold on. I also watched the Philadelphi Eagles play

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Speaker 1: the Rams last night. Troy at Jared Goff, who's a

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Speaker 1: relatively mobile quarterback, not excellent. I saw him go down

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that he can roam the pocket. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I saw Nick Foles outplayed Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: even though Carson Wentz is a lot more mobile than

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles. So because you know, but you know why

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Speaker 1: these guys are being a successful because they're better offense

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Speaker 1: in front of him. No, no, because these guys can

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Speaker 1: read and scan the sciad. Oh my god, you tell

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Speaker 1: me Eli Manning can't read defenses? Is that what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to tell me, Troy, give me a break. Are

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Speaker 1: we are we saying that Eli makes all the perfect read?

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Speaker 1: But no, but no quarterback does just quarterback makes perfect

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Speaker 1: read all the time. I can watch the game and

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Speaker 1: watch Eli Manning zero in on the target every single time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, checkdown on his first step back. He didn't

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Speaker 1: even observe the field, so the Giants can't even run

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Speaker 1: like an r come out. I have a question time

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Speaker 1: at the time of hold hold on, hold on, you

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Speaker 1: said Eli checks it down on every third and long.

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Speaker 1: What was the down? And this is when Eli through

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Speaker 1: his interception the Russell Shepherd. Tell me what was it?

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Speaker 1: What was it? It was third And I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: brought that up because when Eli mann and through that

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Speaker 1: intersections to Russell Shepherd, do you know that um Sterling

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Speaker 1: Shepherd was wide open on the post but Eli looked

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Speaker 1: out Sterling Shepherd so much that the safety is seeing

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Speaker 1: it and cut the route off. This is a this

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Speaker 1: is a this is a often occurrent to Eli Manning.

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Speaker 1: He always throw interceptions in the red zog. He always

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Speaker 1: makes a costly turn up. But look at that shovel

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Speaker 1: path that he did on third and long. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: take the sack and we talked about that. That was

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Speaker 1: a decision. I'm not disagreeing with you, No, nobody's saying.

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Speaker 1: If you're point is that Eli man and Canry defenses.

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Speaker 1: It's idiotic. We're not saying Eli man and cannot read

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Speaker 1: that's what you literally just said. Always he does not

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Speaker 1: always make the best decisions when we're not disagreeing with you,

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Speaker 1: but that But that doesn't mean that also doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that he's not the best option right now for this

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Speaker 1: team to win football games. Those are also two different conversations.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about bringing in a mobile quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me that Kyle A letting Alex

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Speaker 1: Tanny start this entire season. The Giants are going to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and winning the division? Is that what you

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Speaker 1: want to make God, we're talking about Kylo Letta and

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Speaker 1: Tanny like Teddy had to play three steps in nine years.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why he's even on Rock. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So that's the point that Troy from a real that's

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing this back to realistic conversation. You don't like

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, and I've heard it from plenty of fans,

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Speaker 1: So we remove Eli Manning from the equation. Who are

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Speaker 1: you bringing into replace Eli Manning? That's my question here.

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Speaker 1: You see, my problem with is with the Giants. The

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Speaker 1: Giants will sign Tanny to be our backup. Well, Teddy Bridgewater.

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Speaker 1: Is Teddy the greatest quarterback? But he could he could

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Speaker 1: have been a backup on the Giant Well, Teddy, Teddy?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, Teddy was under contract with the Jets number one.

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Speaker 1: Teddy was then traded to the Saints, and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a free agent, Troy. More importantly, Troy, do you

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Speaker 1: know why Teddy Bridgewater signed with the Jets, had a

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Speaker 1: legitimate time, a legitimate opportunity to start, because he thought

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Speaker 1: he would be able to play. Teddy Bridgewater was not

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Speaker 1: going to sign with the Giants because he wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to play. Oh guys, okay, So do we think that

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Speaker 1: Eli Mann should be able to sue up for the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants next year and continue with the same

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Speaker 1: Troy Troy, Troy, I wanted to draft Sam Donald. Don't

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Speaker 1: come talk to me about that, Damn Donald. Are we serious,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald? I don't think Sam was a great quarter

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Speaker 1: second try goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. So hold on,

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Speaker 1: you yell at me that you hate you want to

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Speaker 1: get rid of him. Then I said I want to

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Speaker 1: trade Sam Don and you say Donald sucks. I didn't

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Speaker 1: want him either, So what do you want to do

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Speaker 1: well that that That's my response to everybody they want

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Eli Manning is nobody has a

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Speaker 1: plan in place of what they want to do. So

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Speaker 1: you're saying you want a mobile quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater is

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Speaker 1: not an option, and he's not even that mobile. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he's basically got his leg was basically like

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Speaker 1: in pieces. He can't believe. He's still finding his way

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Speaker 1: back from that injuries recovering. So you have to look

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Speaker 1: at the landscape of the NFL before you just say

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Speaker 1: you want to throw away your starting quarterback. It's not

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Speaker 1: as if these guys grow on trees. But that's Are

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Speaker 1: we to the point now where people are so sensitive

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Speaker 1: about the se Kwon Barkley pick, then now you have

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Speaker 1: to hate Sam Donald? Is that where we're at now? Probably?

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Speaker 1: I would say, well, I just don't think most Giants

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Speaker 1: fans can throw a compliment the way of a Jets

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Speaker 1: player too. I think that's part of the equation. I

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Speaker 1: actually thought Sam Donald's coming off one of his best

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Speaker 1: games again, and that was against a really good defense

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Speaker 1: and he used to Texas. He made some great throws

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Speaker 1: with no offensive line and no receivers and no running back. Now,

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Speaker 1: this quarterback class has really turned out to be good

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Speaker 1: in the early results with what Baker's doing, Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the crew, and Rosen and Alan

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Speaker 1: and Donald are both in less than ideal situations. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at the receivers on the Bills and the Jets.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have lost every single one of their starting

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman this year. Rosen has been getting killed all year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, even Baker, I mean, Jarvis Lantry is

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Speaker 1: like the last guy standing and just back to his

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Speaker 1: Orgia point, Teddy Bridge order was not coming here next year.

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Speaker 1: He was not going to sign somewhere to be a

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback. And Lance and I are all in favor

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Speaker 1: of the Giants exploring their options to figure out who

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Speaker 1: the next answer is. If the Giants got into this

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Speaker 1: draft and they say, you know what, we were like Herbert,

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Speaker 1: or if he comes out, we were like Haskins. If

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Speaker 1: he comes out and they want to pick that guy, great, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm for that. Eli is thirty seven, all right, he's

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Speaker 1: one you left on his contract. We get you have

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Speaker 1: to look forward. Nope, daw we talked about this last spring.

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Speaker 1: Last spring, Eli did not play well in the game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. That's fine. He made bad decisions. His two

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Speaker 1: turnovers are bad turnovers. But don't here's the thing, Lance,

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Speaker 1: what changed from the last five games to this game

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Speaker 1: to Eli Manning change? No, not at all. The factors

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Speaker 1: around him and the execution of the offense change, thank you,

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Speaker 1: And this is the point we've been trying to make.

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Speaker 1: The one in seven record wasn't necessarily because of Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: the same way the four and one record since the

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Speaker 1: bye wasn't necessarily because of Eli Manning. He is what

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Speaker 1: he is, and we're not even telling you he's a

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Speaker 1: top five quarterback, a top ten quarterback. But if the

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Speaker 1: pieces around him are correct, you can win football games

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Speaker 1: with him. There is not a better option on the

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Speaker 1: roster right now. Does that mean he's your UM one,

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Speaker 1: all be all, you know, die at the position for

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Speaker 1: the next three or four years. No, they're completely different conversations. Well,

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Speaker 1: the last caller clearly is I'm not grouping all fans

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Speaker 1: together because everybody has various opinions. But was waiting for

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Speaker 1: this type of a game to return to the narrative

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Speaker 1: that started earlier this season that Eli Manning is to

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Speaker 1: blame for all the giants problems when there's a number

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Speaker 1: of things that you could point to. So this was

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Speaker 1: a convenient opportunity to get back to the narrative. He's done.

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Speaker 1: They got to look else where. He's not the best

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Speaker 1: option right now, and this and that. But there are

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Speaker 1: also a lot of those same fans, John that we're

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Speaker 1: getting a little bit excited when the team was turning

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Speaker 1: things around. They now start calling us up and giving

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Speaker 1: us all the scenarios about well to these teams lose

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Speaker 1: because they have a tough schedule, and the Giants run

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Speaker 1: the table, look at what's gonna happen, and they get

642
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. So I chuckle internally about the convenience

643
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: of when these people come out of the woodworks to

644
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: return to old narratives, because right now the result of

645
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: the game allowed you to do that. It's perspective. You

646
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: have a little nuance, folks, have a little nuance. And

647
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: by the way, I should have saved the tweet, I

648
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: didn't see it. Of the five quarterbacks that have been

649
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: sacked the most of this year, besides Elion Manning, do

650
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: you know who the other four are? Well? Marcus Mariotte

651
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: is up. There is Marcus Merritt, which was a team. Yes,

652
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers, I would say, is near there? Or

653
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: is it just my he's taking a lot of hits.

654
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 1: I know the other three guys are. Do you want

655
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: to who they are? Who are there? That Prescott that's

656
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: you can comes that Prescott a mobile quarterback? I would say,

657
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: he's mobile. Do you think DeShawn Watson's the mobile quarterback? Absolutely,

658
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: he's in that top five in that category. And who's

659
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: the last one? Let me remember, oh, I remember Russell Wilson.

660
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson a mobile quarterback. Indeed, So it doesn't solve

661
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: all your problems, does well? I was told by multiple

662
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: experts across the board that mobile quarterbacks solve everything. So

663
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with those facts. I don't care what

664
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: the offensive lines have done. I don't care how many

665
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: guys have taken sacks. The mobile quarterback salves everything. So

666
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: you put Alex Tanney and Kyle a letter back here.

667
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: This Giant season is completely different. Let's go to Joe

668
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. He's up next. Hey Joe, Hey, good morning there.

669
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: Use guys to get there, getting your blood up there

670
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: a little there, But what can I say, Tennessee had

671
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: a stew in the walls yesterday. Two steps forward and

672
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: we take a step back. But use are right there.

673
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: You know, Eli didn't have his best game, but there

674
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: was a lot of contributions to it, you know, with

675
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: the drop passes, in the penalties, and you know, we

676
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: just ain't going to move the ball. And if we

677
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: would have scored a touchdown earlier, it was what was

678
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: it way up into the third quarter until they went

679
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: up onto US seventeen nothing or the fourth quarter, you know,

680
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: just to score and we could have been in it

681
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: right to the very end and with a player two

682
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: went this way or that way. Uh. But even the

683
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: way our defense played only you know, given up what

684
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the seven team points. You know, it was there the wind,

685
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: even though they out physical us our defense on the line,

686
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, especially on the ends. It's it's all year around.

687
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: You can see it. You know, it just seems, uh

688
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: there's no containment and there's the poor cornerbacks having to

689
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: come up and try to uh tackle that big running

690
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: back you know, which I you know, I pitied them there,

691
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: but I don't even see our linebackers there nowhere in

692
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: sight and the other teams they have three four guys

693
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: swarm Joe. So a lot of those runs. A lot

694
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: of those runs, though Joe, were not designed outside runs.

695
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: A lot of those were runs where he was supposed

696
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: to go inside and the linebackers filled those gaps inside,

697
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: forcing him to bounce. And then once he bounces, sometimes

698
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: your quarterbacks have to tackle but there's no contayment. You

699
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: don't even see the m and the poor corners are

700
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: coming up on that. Sometimes you gotta tackle. It's part

701
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: of the job description. It's part of the job description.

702
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: As a corner. You got a tackle, uh one that

703
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: previous scholar. You know, you think the Saints are gonna

704
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: let Bridgewater go without making him a good offer because

705
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: the question names up there to Drew Brees right, Well,

706
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Breeze is getting up there in age. I don't think

707
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Breeze is gonna retire. I think they may offer him something.

708
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: But I will say this, Joe, I think there's gonna

709
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: be a number of other teams that are gonna look

710
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: at Teddy. They're gonna have a conversation. They're gonna say, Teddy,

711
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: we can offer you are starting quarterback job, and Teddy's

712
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: gonna listen to that, and he's gonna debate do I

713
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: stay behind Drew Brees or three or four more years

714
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: or do I start? I agree, And like I said,

715
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Giants would say, you come in,

716
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: you have a chance to win it. And you know

717
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Eli is up there, you know what I mean, you

718
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: can definitely whatever if we don't get a if we

719
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: don't like one of them quarterbacks in the draft, and

720
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: that you know, I would definitely look into it too,

721
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: you know. And with his connection with our coach, they

722
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: worked together in Minnesota. Well, I said, Joe, I'll let

723
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: you continue. I have said multiple times I like Teddy

724
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Bridgewater is a quarterback. I like the connection with him

725
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: and Sherman, and I have no problem if the Giants

726
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: do want to go down that route. It's just once again,

727
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: what Teddy has on the table across the NFL landscape

728
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more attractive. We don't know until

729
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: the free agent market place go ahead, right what is

730
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: decisions are so hey just like in in uh Philadelphia

731
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: or Folks is willing to sit on the bench, you know, Yeah,

732
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a good example. Um, but once I'm gonna say

733
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: the other day, Lands, I would like the response that

734
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: when the call are called up when you and Paul

735
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: was hosted in the show and you know he's were

736
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: talking about the referee. What did you think of that

737
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: call that when the player went out of bounds? Did

738
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: you see that one they talk about when Derrick Henry

739
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: stepped out of play? Right? Yeah, I thought there was

740
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: enough evidence based on the multiple angles that I saw

741
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: that Pat Shermer was right to challenge, and I thought

742
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: they were gonna win it. I was relatively surprised that

743
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: there was not enough evidence. There are times where I've

744
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: seen a borderline call and I will say, you know what,

745
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: it looks close, but I don't think there's enough visual

746
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: evidence to overturn it. I thought there was enough here.

747
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: And this is what you were talking about the referee.

748
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: You know how it was the caller for the year,

749
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: and how hard it is. I can see see, you know,

750
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: when they have to make the plays call right away,

751
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: but when it goes to the booth in New York

752
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: and you can see that, and I think the people

753
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: would say, you know, he stepped on the line. And

754
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: same thing like I'm bringing up like an Eagle game

755
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: where last week against Dallas where the four Bowl. It's

756
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: obvious that they recovered it, you know, but these calls,

757
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, Joe, Joe. I can just tell you what

758
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Pat Tremer said after the game. They asked him about it.

759
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: And at the time, when before I saw the replay myself,

760
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if you want to rescu

761
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: using your second challenge here just for ten yards they know,

762
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: have an he left. But then I saw the replay

763
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: and they showed it on the scoreboard. It was clear

764
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: as foot when out of bounds. What Hockey Lea told

765
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: Shermer on the field is that they never saw that

766
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: particular replay, which seems ridiculous to me. I guess they

767
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: didn't see it in the Dallas game either, you know

768
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: what I mean? It is a crock well, but you know,

769
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they themselves into that situations they have to make.

770
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: But when you can't get it right on the field,

771
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: or when you're looking at it and you have time

772
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: to review it, something's wrong. Like the guy said from

773
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the safety said from New York to the guys who

774
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: were reviewing on the booth, you better lay off the bottle.

775
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: You know. I don't know if he got fined for

776
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: that or not. But the same thing like ourt coach.

777
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: He said, well, I saw him step on the line.

778
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Are they gonna find them? You know, it's it's ridiculous

779
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: they do it. There are terrible this year. Well, but

780
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: see what you're going at it. And Joe appreciate the

781
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: phone call, Thanks so much for weighing in what Paul

782
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: and I got into. And I don't want to get

783
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: completely off topic, but I was saying that when an

784
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: official is seeing something at full speed and you're then

785
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: having the luxury at home on your couch to look

786
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: at a slow motion replay, it's hard to hold refs

787
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: to those same standards when they miss a face mask

788
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: when it's going full speed, or you know, they call

789
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: pass interference because it looked like hard contact and then

790
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: you see the replay there wasn't much of anything. That's different.

791
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: Then boy, I'm sliding into the screen like Chris Collins

792
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: work last night on how Michael's But getting back to

793
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the point here, that's different people do like that apparently,

794
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: Well that's why I thought, because that was a maneuver

795
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: here that we were pulling off. As I'm trying to

796
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: stay on topic about the officials, But I get back

797
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: to my point, that's different, John, then what Joe's ringing up,

798
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: which is a play or a call where you have

799
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: the luxury of replay, and then for some reason, the

800
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: way the coaches are seeing it versus the way New

801
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: York is seeing it are two different things, so that

802
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: that's a completely different conversation and dialogue. I just want

803
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: to make that clear. I'm still in defensive officials who

804
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: may miss things at full speed, but it's another thing

805
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: when you have the luxury of replay and you're like, well,

806
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: what are they looking at versus what are the coaches

807
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: have seen? Yeah, and look, I thought it was a

808
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: pretty obvious thing that he went out of bounds. I

809
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: really did. Um But I guess they either didn't get

810
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that particular replay. Maybe it was only on the scoreboard.

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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I thought I thought it was

812
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: fairly obvious. I'm not quite sure why the Giants didn't

813
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: end up winning that challenge to five on three. Back

814
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: to the phone, Scott in New Mexico. What's up, Scott? Oh, yeah,

815
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: i's how you doing today. First of all, John, I

816
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: owe you a giant mayor Coppa. I was I was

817
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: one of those two fans that actually thought the Giants

818
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: had a chance to make the playoffs, and on Friday

819
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: you alluded to the fact, let's see what they do

820
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: against Tennessee and obviously what they did against TENNAC. That's okay, Scott.

821
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: As a fan, you're supposed to be optimistic, you're supposed

822
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: to have I just didn't want to start breaking down

823
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: six teams schedules with three games, but I sort of

824
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: got caught in the euphoria. And it brings me to

825
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: my question, is a long time Giant fan, I don't

826
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking at anymore when I see the Giants.

827
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: You've already alluded to all the different things they did

828
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: wrong on Sunday, so I'm not going to rehash that.

829
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: But there's an old expression everybody's probably used. Full me once,

830
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: shame on you, full me twice, shame on me. And

831
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't have any confidence anymore. And when I'm looking

832
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: at with the Giants because against better teams, I started

833
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: going back against the four teams that they beat, and

834
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: you were right to say they played Nick Mullins in

835
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco, even though San Francisco beat Seattle yesterday, Uh,

836
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: they played Tampa Bay and then Tampa Bay makes that

837
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: big rally coming back. They beat Chicago, but they should

838
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: never been in a position where they ago was a

839
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: good win. To look, beating Chicago is a they're a

840
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: very good football team. Good defense, that is a that

841
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: was a very I don't care if Chase Daniel is

842
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: starting or not, that was a good win. The Mark

843
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Sanchez when you throw out the Bucks turned it over

844
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: a bajillion times and look you want in San Francisco,

845
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: that's a solid when I think McMullen has shown he's

846
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback. But that being said, the Fos

847
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: also twoins three whatever they happen this here, it's not

848
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot. So look Scott, that's true. But and to me,

849
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: I they four, thank you. This team doesn't fool me.

850
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm actually pretty comfortable understanding what the

851
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: Giants are right now. They're a team where if they

852
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: want to win, they have to be able to run

853
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: the football. If they don't run the football, they're gonna

854
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of hard time winning these games because

855
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: their offensive line is still going to struggle pass protecting

856
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: and much and must pass situations. And without Ald Beckham Jr.

857
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: That's certainly gonna be the case because Guy's gonna have

858
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: trouble getting open down the field on third and longs. Defensively,

859
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: the team has an extremely inconsistent pass rush okay um,

860
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: and they don't have those great, super talented players where

861
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna consistently stop teams. If they don't get takeaways,

862
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: they are going to struggle. So that's what the Giants

863
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: are right now. And if they don't run the ball,

864
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: they don't take the ball away and protect the football,

865
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna win a whole lot of games.

866
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: So that's what this team is, despite the weapons or

867
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: whatever else you thought about him before the year, that's

868
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: what this team is right now. They're also up and

869
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: down and stopping the run too. I would stay on

870
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: defense as well. I mean, let's not forget that in

871
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: eleven of the fourteen games, the opposing team had over

872
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: a hundred rushing yards. But I think the takeaways that

873
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: has hidden that floor, and that's what I've been saying.

874
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: It covers up your issues. So yesterday was the point,

875
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: and we'll let you continue, Scott, where you had zero takeaways.

876
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: This is the fifth time this season, John, they've had

877
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: no takeaways. They've lost all five of those games. Why because,

878
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, takeaways change field position and cover up

879
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: the issues, because now you have less possessions that you've

880
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: got to stop the run. You have less possessions where

881
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: maybe you show you're struggling to get after the quarterback.

882
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: When they don't cover that up, those real issues are exposed.

883
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: But in preparation to the game, they obviously knew what

884
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Henry could do. And as you alluded to earlier, John, Uh,

885
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: you want to tackle him low? So I'm assuming better

886
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: I had them prepared to do that. So why was

887
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: every tackle I saw I was really up high? And

888
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: so if you know a running back has certain you know, pecadillos,

889
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: and he's going to do something in a certain way,

890
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: why would you not do the things that really are

891
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: going to help you, hopefully bring him down earlier than

892
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: they were able to do. Your question is a question

893
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: that coaches asked themselves every time they go to bed

894
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: after a loss. All these coaches know what they're doing,

895
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: They're they're telling their players and and and it's got

896
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: thanks to the calu. I got a bunch of other people.

897
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: I want to get it. You know, all these coaches

898
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They're telling their ties to do

899
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the right thing. Whether or not the guys actually do

900
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: the right thing is usually a reflection of whether or

901
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: not they're really good players or not. That's what execution

902
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: is all about. You can lead a horse to water,

903
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that necessarily he's gonna take it. And

904
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: that's a similar parallel. In terms of coaching. You could

905
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: tell a player a hundred million times, John, this is

906
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, this is what you gotta do.

907
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: What do they do in that moment? And there are

908
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: also times where sometimes the environment doesn't necessarily lead to

909
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: perfect execution. I don't want to get back to the weather,

910
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: but the conditions were extremely slippery. I'm sure that played

911
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: a role in terms of leverage and how guys were

912
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: approaching the opposing players and so forth. Only the guys

913
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: could truly reflect on that, and there weren't many questions

914
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: after the game about it. I would personally like to

915
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: hear whether guys felt they were having a hard time

916
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: getting some traction on the field yesterday as a result

917
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: of the wetness. Now, maybe I'm going down a road

918
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't lead up to anything, because Tennessee still was

919
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: able to execute and play good defensively. But say Kwan

920
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Barkley and Derrick Henry are two different running backs and

921
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: how you approach them is a little bit different as well,

922
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: so you have to take that into consideration. But I

923
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: don't know, necessarily think it was a matter of that

924
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: the Giants didn't know what they were getting into. It

925
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: was the fact that the execution wasn't where it should

926
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: have been. And Pat Shermer was asked today John at

927
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: his prescontin actually which is related to that question, he

928
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: was asked, did Tennessee show you things that were a

929
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: little bit surprising? And he said no, we even saw

930
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: opportunities where we thought we would be able to take

931
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: advantage of that and just could not execute. And that

932
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned to drop passes earlier, I mean that that's

933
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: part of it. And you know other times Eli didn't

934
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: make the thrown needed to make too, So that's the

935
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: way it goes. And again, well patrich Armer stressed today

936
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: this press conference execution on first and second down lacking,

937
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: which is why they're in those studn loans Again, folks,

938
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: sixteen third downs eight of ten yards or more, only

939
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: four or fewer than seven yards. It's hard to win

940
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: that way. Christian in New York, He's up next day. Christian, Hey, guys,

941
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I know Eli can still win with the right pieces

942
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: around him, but at this point, I kind of feel

943
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: like it's kind of owed to the fans that have

944
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: a decent backup around And I know that wouldn't be

945
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: easy because they're not gonna have a ton of calf

946
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: room to bring a guy like Jameis wins in in

947
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: or I mean, even Blake Bortles. I don't know exactly

948
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: what he would ask, but I think it's kind of

949
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: a time where they gotta have a guy behind Eli

950
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: that can somewhat play a little bit. But Christian, here's

951
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: the thing. Either pull the band aid off or leave

952
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: the band aid on. If you want to bring in

953
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: somebody else to play quarterback, bring somebody else in the

954
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: play quarterback. The last thing you want is us sitting

955
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: here in Week six next year and you're getting questions

956
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: every week about whether or not you want to start

957
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: Eli Manning or Blake Bortles. Okay, that's the last thing

958
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: you want to deal with around here. If you want

959
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: to go to a different quarterback, which is fine, and

960
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: your argument is, look, you're in a rebuilding situation, you know,

961
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: Eli gives you a certain ceiling you think you should

962
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: start more or rebuild. Now that's a logical argument. Okay,

963
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: I get that. That's fine, But they ripped the band

964
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: aid off, don't you know? Bring in another veteran that

965
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: you say, well, if you like plays bad, then you

966
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: can bring the other guy in. That is a recipe

967
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: for controversy and disaster of epic for portions, either he's

968
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: your quarterback, or he's your quarterback with a young draft

969
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: pick behind them. That's okay too, But you don't want

970
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Eli plus good veteran where you're gonna be like, oh,

971
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: well he's threw two picks this week. Here it comes

972
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: the next guy. That's that that that, that's not that's

973
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: not gonna work, which is already happening. Even though you

974
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: don't have necessarily a proven veteran behind Eli Manning. We're

975
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: still having those conversations. John. And if you imagine if

976
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: it was Jamis Winston, Oh, I mean, if every single

977
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: week would be going, Pat Sharro would be having to

978
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: decipher and explain why he chose Eli Manning over Winston

979
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: and sover. Then before we let you continue, I'll give

980
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: you two examples of why it makes sense to have

981
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: a proven veteran with respect to your point, Christian. The

982
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys when they had Tony Romo as their staughter one

983
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: year they went out. They gave Kyle Lording good money.

984
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I think they paid him about five or six million

985
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: dollars for a backup quarterback. That's good money. But Romo

986
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: had an injury history, so they were concerned that if

987
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: they lose Romo, they're gonna need somebody to come in

988
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: and keep them competitive. And Kyle Lorna, remember, played a

989
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: meaningful game last week of the season a few years

990
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: ago against the Eagles. They lost that game, but he

991
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: kept them in it. The other example is the Eagles

992
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: with Nick Foles. Carson Wentz was a rookie, so you

993
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: want to protect a rookie quarterback in case he gets

994
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: hurt or he doesn't play well. So you're bringing Nick Foles,

995
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: you pay him good money. He also had some familiarity

996
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: with the scheme because of his ties to Doug Peterson.

997
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: So those are circumstances where you're not creating controversy. As

998
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: John mentioned, it makes logical sense. If you don't think

999
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Eli is good, there's no point of bringing in approven

1000
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback, you just replace Eli Manning because he's at

1001
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: the tail end of his career. Those are the two

1002
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: different circumstances there. Well, yeah, I agree that it would

1003
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: probably be a sour situation, a fit where a guy

1004
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: who doesn't have like a legitimate future in the league.

1005
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: But I mean if it were Teddy, uh, I mean,

1006
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: at least you'd be looking forward a little bit if

1007
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you replaced Eli with him, So I guess, yeah, I

1008
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: mean if a Christian. Again, here's the thing, I don't

1009
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: unless if you tell Teddy he's coming here to be

1010
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: a backup, I think he'll have better options and you're

1011
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to pay him a lot of

1012
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: money as a backup. Anyways, Oh to me, if if

1013
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater is here next year, he's here because you're

1014
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: making him the starter. He's not here to be Elie

1015
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: Manning's back up, right, I mean at least at least

1016
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: be able to compete. But um, I mean, I just hope.

1017
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I know it'll be hard for them, but I hope

1018
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: that as a fan that they'll do something to have

1019
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: something behind elive. Well but but that but see, we

1020
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: get back to the point I need to cut you off. John.

1021
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: It goes back, Christian to the point that if you're

1022
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: using the term compete, and I find that interesting because

1023
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: then what you're saying is Eli Manning does not allow

1024
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: you to compete, So why are you then keeping that

1025
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster at a huge cap hit? It

1026
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense. You're basically you're coming to the

1027
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: conclusion the whole point at least, this is me interpreting

1028
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: what you're telling us. Christian. You're not sold on Eli

1029
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: Manning helping this team win. Therefore you want a proven

1030
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: guy that could sit behind him that you think will

1031
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: help the offense be more productive. Then you know what,

1032
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: that's the sign that it's time to move on from

1033
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: your daughter. What's the purpose of paying both of them? Well,

1034
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from is I think it's looking like

1035
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: to keep you. I um so, I'm kind of you know,

1036
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: basing it off what it's what it's looking like right now,

1037
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: because I mean, I could see how you're right, you're

1038
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of leaving a lot of money on the table

1039
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks if you go a, yeah, you know Jameis

1040
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Winston and his current contract, right, So, but I mean

1041
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: if they could just, you know, trying to have somebody

1042
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: behind Eli, just a young guy, you know. I mean,

1043
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the years that they need to

1044
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: draft the guy. And Dwayne Haskins is better than people think.

1045
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I think he's competing with Herbert for that top guy

1046
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: again a Christian. Thanks for the call. I appreciate. I

1047
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: have not watched either guy in depth yet. I know

1048
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Dan Salmon has been trying to sell me on Askins

1049
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: for the past months. He's on a how State guy

1050
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: by the way. Um, And we'll obviously do all our

1051
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: draft stuff coming up, and first I'm gonna watch all

1052
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: the senior I know you guys are gonna keep asking

1053
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: me about quarterbacks. But the plan here is we have

1054
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl the third or fourth week of January,

1055
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: so I want to watch a lot of the seniors

1056
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: so I have a baseline to kind of judge these

1057
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: guys when I get there, so I kind of have

1058
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: a clue with all these guys can do. So I

1059
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: want to do that first. So I'm probably not going

1060
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterbacks until the beginning of February.

1061
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: I know that's gonna drive people. Cat of Banana, isn't

1062
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: off the wall. But that's kind of where I am,

1063
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: and we're not. We might not even what what's the

1064
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: do you know what the deadline is for guys at

1065
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: the clare middle of January something like that, So we

1066
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: might not even know about Herbert until the middle of

1067
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: January anyway, And I'm not and I'm the least of

1068
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: my time watching a guy if he's not coming out.

1069
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: I got I don't have enough. I can't watch a

1070
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: month of Guys as I want, So I'm not watching

1071
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: watching him until I know if he's coming out of it.

1072
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: And that's what the early speculation was that he was

1073
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: not going to come out. Now things could drastically change.

1074
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: Time will tell. Jo Brand said last week he would

1075
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: bet that he would, but a lot of other people did. Yeah,

1076
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: so you know, a lot is gonna depend on what

1077
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: the class looks like. And also, you know, there there's

1078
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: other issues on this team, John that we've talked about.

1079
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't want everybody to all of a sudden get

1080
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: into this situation where it's absolutely going to be a

1081
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: quarterback and we start revisiting the date like we had

1082
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: all of last offseason. And if there's one thing we

1083
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: learned last year. What does Dave Gentleman won a draft

1084
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: lets the best available player. He is not concerned with

1085
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: position value. You might not like it, but that's what

1086
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: he believes in. You saw it last year when he

1087
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: talked about when he was asked about the devalue of

1088
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: the running back? What was the word he used? Hogwash?

1089
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Who's the quote? Yep? Hogwash? And by the way, if

1090
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: you know something about David Gettlman's draft history lands, what

1091
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: does he like to draft? Last time I checked, he

1092
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: has drafted a variety of different players. I would say

1093
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean McCaffrey, remember was drafted high the previous year

1094
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: before Barkley. But he also likes his big boys. I

1095
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: will tell you that he likes his big boys. And

1096
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: what does this draft have abundance of in the top

1097
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: ten On the defensive side of the ball. You some

1098
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: of those big boys and you got pass rushers. What

1099
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: happens if they side they move on from Olive a

1100
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Vernon next year? Even if he's here already part of

1101
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: ways with snacks, you still need still need pass rushers.

1102
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: So again, there's no guarantee that's where they go. And

1103
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: who knows whether the John's gonna draft They they could

1104
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: still be drafting twelve the thirteenth if they win their

1105
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: last two games, which you know is gonna be tough

1106
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: to Colts. I think are fairly big favorite heading into

1107
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: this game, given what they did the Dallas last week.

1108
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: But you know, you finished with six wins, you're picking

1109
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: ninth or tenth. Who knows one of those quarterbacks are

1110
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna be there? Then you have to trade up. You

1111
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: already don't have a third round pick this year. You

1112
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: want to not have a second round pick or first

1113
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: round pick the following year. That's a recipe for disaster

1114
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: too well. And the other thing that I want to

1115
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: throw out, of course, we don't know where the Giants

1116
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: are picking, But I know the counter to what you're saying, John,

1117
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: is people are gonna say, well, most of the other

1118
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: teams drafting high already have their quarterbacks. But here's the thing.

1119
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: There's something called the trade that you just mentioned. So

1120
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: who's to say that that order is going to remain

1121
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: like it is you have, which means a team may

1122
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: move up to grab a quarter Yeah, you have to

1123
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: compete with other teams that are gonna move in front

1124
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: of you. Guys, people pick you know, moving in front

1125
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: of the Giants to pick offensive lineman before. You don't

1126
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: make men move ahead of the pick of the quarterback.

1127
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, And by the way, who knows

1128
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: what John Cruden's gonna do That dude could draft a

1129
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: quarterback in a second, and I wouldn't be surprised if

1130
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: he said, all right, I'm gonna start with my guy,

1131
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: which could be one of these two guys, or heck,

1132
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: maybe only one of them comes out. Like we talked

1133
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: about before too. Um, what are the Redskins gonna do

1134
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: with Alex Smith? Out? Is Alex Smith ever playing football again?

1135
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: That's another big question mark. I don't know that. And

1136
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: if he's not playing football again, you don't think they're

1137
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: gonna be thinking about drafting the quarterback. Absolutely they are.

1138
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the Bengals are dogging that conversation too.

1139
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: They may maybe they're gonna think about trading up to

1140
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: make a move for a quarterback. I mean that's a

1141
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: possibility to How about the Buccaneers, They could be picking

1142
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: before the Giants. Do we know that they're gonna keep

1143
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: Jameis Winston around another year? Yeah, there's a lot of

1144
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: teams that could very well be in the business as

1145
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: speaking a quarterbacks real quickly. Earlier we were talking about

1146
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: all the mobile quarterbacks, by the way, that have taken sacks.

1147
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: I brought up the number of sacks teams have given up,

1148
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: and there's a few more I just want to add,

1149
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: just to pile onto the conversation. Aaron Rodgers Green Bay

1150
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: is fifth most sacks. He hasn't missed. Again, that's forty

1151
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: six sacks that they've surrendered. That's top five. Derek Carr,

1152
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: we didn't even mention the Oakland Raiders three forty eight

1153
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: sacks at Oakland is allowed. You mentioned Houston, you mentioned Dallas.

1154
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: Miami's up there. They've had a variety of different quarterbacks,

1155
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: so maybe that's not necessarily the greatest example. We mentioned

1156
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota and Jacksonville with Blake Bortle's even Cody Kessler

1157
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: is relatively mobile, rounding out pretty much the top ten

1158
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: as their eighth overall. So the top ten teams in

1159
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: the NFL that have given up the most sacks, virtually

1160
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: every single team has a mobile quarterback. And interestingly, as

1161
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: you go all the way down the list, the Los

1162
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers who have Philip Rivers John twenty five, they

1163
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: rank in terms of sacks allowed. So that's the positive.

1164
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 1: They've surrendered twenty nine sacks and they have a statue

1165
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: as a quarterback and Roethlisberger really can't move anymore with them,

1166
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: by the way, and the Steelers are in the bottom

1167
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: five of the league. And New England has allowed nineteen

1168
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: sacks with Tom Brady, which is the third lowest amount

1169
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: of sacks surrendered. So it just goes to show you

1170
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: with the landscape of the NFL, you give a quarterback

1171
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: a good offensive line, the fence is going to be

1172
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: able to produce. You don't give a quarterback a good

1173
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: offensive line, whether he's mobile or not, you're gonna have troubles.

1174
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Period to a one four or five, one three. Big

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Speaker 1: Boki Golf Live is presented by cores Light. Download the

1176
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Coors Light Awards that two an Amazing Giants prizes throughout

1177
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: the year. Two more calls before we say goodbye. Lenning, Columbia,

1178
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: Maryland is up next. Hello, Len, Hey, guys, how you doing? Um?

1179
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: I want to weigh in on the el I think, um,

1180
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, as far back as she's oh six, maybe

1181
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: I started to get this feeling, I said, and I

1182
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: still feel it today. Perhaps for different reasons today, which

1183
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: Lance outlined early in the in the show. Today you

1184
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: put Eli on the field, we got a chance, you know,

1185
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: different reasons today then maybe back in oh six. But

1186
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: as Lance so aptly put with the first caller in

1187
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: the reality check, he's the best guy we got. I mean,

1188
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: you've got to play the best guy len if we're

1189
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna move on from Eli Manning, the time they move

1190
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: on from Eli Manning, wasn't the draft last year once

1191
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: they did not draft a quarterback with that first pick,

1192
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: Now he was going to be your quarterback. Period, Stop

1193
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: conversation over. Yeah, I agree, all right Beckham. You know,

1194
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: I think I said on the show before the season

1195
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: started and if we if we if we had Beckham

1196
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: for sixteen games, we'd get just his presence, we'd get

1197
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: four more wins than we had last year. And you know,

1198
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: I think we missed him yesterday. And you know they

1199
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: make statements about, well, if we hadn't had so many penalties,

1200
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: and know, if the ref hadn't called it this way,

1201
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: we would have won the game. But I really think

1202
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, I'm gonna put I'm gonna use

1203
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: the words difference maker, and I mean the Giants ownership

1204
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: and leadership on the football operation side. I mean, these

1205
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: are not dumb people. I'm not suggesting they're the smartest

1206
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: people in the world, but these are not dumb people.

1207
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: You don't pay a guy million dollars unless he's a

1208
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: difference That's why they come him. They paid him so

1209
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: that if team's gonna gang up on the run to

1210
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: stop say Kwon Barkley, they have a difference maker to

1211
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: beat him over the top. What were the Giants laughing yesterday?

1212
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: A difference maker to beat the Titans over the top?

1213
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: You know? Um I love Sa Kwan and um I

1214
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: hope I get to see him play his whole career. Yeah,

1215
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: beckhams the difference maker. No. You know what though, but

1216
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: if you don't have Barkley there and you can't run it,

1217
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: then you run into what you had the last two

1218
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: years where teams are playing two deep safeties and Benham

1219
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: can't get over the top anyway. So you both got

1220
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: a compliment. I know, I I got I got a

1221
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: little bias there. And it's not a knock. It's not

1222
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: a knock against great He's a great player. He's gonna

1223
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: be a great player. I just think this guy and

1224
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: I and I and I think the Giants leadership knows

1225
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: it to this guy's the difference maker. Uh, you know, John,

1226
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: they must have been listening to the NFL office must

1227
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: have been listening to the show on Friday when I

1228
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: got on and ranted about which as soon as we

1229
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: got off the line. As soon as we got off

1230
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: the phone, I went online and I found out the

1231
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: league find the guy. Took them three weeks, but they

1232
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: finally find that Eagles lineback of what one tho dollars

1233
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, I'm not I'm not rolling

1234
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: when that letter went out. I'm guessing it probably went

1235
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: out a little bit earlier and they just got reported later.

1236
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: But it was pretty funny that it came out right

1237
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: at the same time. Yeah. Um, you know, if you're

1238
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: if you're a mid level team in the Power rankings,

1239
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: and and let me just say, if you're somewhere between

1240
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty five as a team in the Power rankings,

1241
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're gonna get days like that. How

1242
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: many times have we said we're gonna get days like yesterday?

1243
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: How many times have we said it's a week to

1244
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: week week? I mean you know, you go up forty

1245
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: to nothing under riskins you come back to next week

1246
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and compete seventeen nothing like. I mean, that's what happens

1247
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: when you're in that middle range. You get things like

1248
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: and and I'm sorry, like clockwork every year. And you

1249
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: can speak to specause you've been to every single game,

1250
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: and I want to get your take on how long

1251
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: you stayed in your seat by the way in the

1252
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: weather on Sunday, because that that that could not have

1253
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: been easy. Eli Manning has that one game in cold

1254
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: bed weather at home every year in December where he

1255
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: struggles a lot. This was the game. I just want

1256
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: to know, you know, and I've and I've said this before,

1257
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: and I know you gotta go just I got a

1258
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: couple of quick things here. But Sims and Manny never

1259
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: got enough credit so that they got to play in

1260
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: that stadium in December. It's not easy. They've never gotten

1261
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: enough credit for that fact, for that fact. I mean,

1262
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: Breeze is a great quarterback. Drew Brees is a great quarterback.

1263
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Let's not take that away from but he plays ten

1264
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: games in the in the Dome every year, at least

1265
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: ten and had many plays in warm weather sites. Besides that,

1266
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: the six I mean, you know, come on, there is

1267
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: a difference. There is a difference. I mean, that was

1268
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: that and Len. That's why Brady and Roethlisberg get the

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: same credit. They play in very, very tough environments too,

1270
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: and those three guys playing tough home stadiums that they

1271
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: still figure out it would win late in years. But

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00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: so so how long did you stay in your seat

1273
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: all four quarters into the third? Still? I know it

1274
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: was hard, dude, that was That was a rough one

1275
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: of the quick Um. If you want to look at

1276
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: a position group and look at a position group and

1277
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: decision making business decisions as we as we call it today,

1278
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: the old John Gruden line, you look at your d

1279
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 1: backs first. I mean, they're the smallest guys on the field,

1280
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 1: and here comes Derrick Henry. You know, I mean, these guys,

1281
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's December, it's wet. Yeah, Andy Robselli in

1282
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies, and I believe this is going

1283
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: to be true for these next two games. Somebody said

1284
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: to him early December when it was a bad season,

1285
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: and you know, we really weren't very good, and somebody

1286
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: asked them, what's the point of these next four games,

1287
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: and Robstelli said, we are going to find out who

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: wants to put on the blue jersey. Thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: what I think. That's what the next two games they

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: are about. Come on, let's go John, Thank you, Lenn

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: And look, I'm never gonna question whether or not that

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01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: guy's trying. And I'm not doing that with it with

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01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield, but they're tackling was poor. Let's just

1294
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: leave it at that. Yeah, execution wasn't there. I think

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: anybody that turns on the film the film doesn't lie

1296
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: will tell you that. But I also don't love the

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01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: narrative when every player who's on a losing team that's

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna miss the PLAYFFS is constantly asked John, well, what

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: the hell are you playing for? And I've heard a

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01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: number of different answers, but I don't want to give

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01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: credit to this quote because I don't know who said it.

1302
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: But one player who responded said, this is what we

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: do for a living. This is our profession. If you

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: had a job that you went to work every day

1305
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: and you perhaps came to the point where you finished

1306
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: the project, does that mean that you just sit at

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: your desk all day? So I thought that was a

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: good parallelt. They're paid to play football as a professional.

1309
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: You go out you do the same thing you do

1310
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: every single week, whether mathematically you're in it or you're not.

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01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: It's called in a pride. I mean when you go

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: out there and you play you know, right basketball, you're

1313
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: not getting paid to do it. Uh, you want to play? Yeah,

1314
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: it's fun, right, I mean that's what people do. Of course.

1315
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: The other quick point that I just wanted to piggyback

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: off of what Lenn was saying week to week league,

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: which is a term I always used. The team that

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01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: the Giants are playing coming up this week the Colts.

1319
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: So the Colts just shut out the Cowboys twenty three

1320
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: nothing yesterday. John It was a few weeks ago they

1321
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: got shut out by the Jaguar six nothing. And that's

1322
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: a Jacksonville team that's got a number of issues. So,

1323
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it's hard to make sense of the NFL.

1324
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: And just lost to Josh Johnson, who hasn't playing the

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: games in two thousand and eleven. I mean that that

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01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: that's the league for your inter nutshell right there to

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01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: five one three, Our final call. The show is our buddy,

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01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: Charlie in Portland Main. Hi, Charlie, Hey guys doing we're

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01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: doing fun, Charlie, but we're doing okay until you open

1330
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: your bounce hey, len Um, anyway, we kind of email

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: each other once in a while, isn't that That's beautiful?

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Look at you make connections through. So wait, how do

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: you make connection with Lenn? I believe he's not on

1334
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: social media? Though, that's true. Yeah, it's the email email.

1335
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: Well but you had to get his email addresses the

1336
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: point of course. So well, but how so you guys

1337
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: must have exchanged numbers or got numbers or something. This

1338
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: is wow, there's a convolution. Wait we say it didn't

1339
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: Lenn visit you or something like that? Is that he

1340
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: was going to He was going to but he never

1341
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: came up. Okay, what a wise decision, Len, by the way,

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01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: fully support that decision. Yes, go ahead. Hey, I was

1343
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: just gonna say, look, you can win one game without O'Dell,

1344
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: you're not going to win two. Um, and we miss

1345
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: Collins for the tackling A great point. We miss O'Dell.

1346
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: We had two star players, one on defense, one on offense,

1347
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: didn't play. And I think Eli I didn't see the

1348
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: whole game. I saw it. I didn't see when he fumbled,

1349
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: but I'm assuming he must have had a rush coming up.

1350
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: He absolutely did. Yeah, he was getting rushed. He kind

1351
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: of stepped through the middle of the pocket it and

1352
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: it looked like he was either trying to grab the

1353
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: ball with two hands or pitch it or shovel it

1354
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: or something. That kind of just scored it out And

1355
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: the wise decision would have been to hold on and

1356
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: take the act. It's a bad pat I'll let you

1357
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: get to Charlie. It actually somewhat reminded me of a

1358
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: play that happened last night for those of you may

1359
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: have seen the rams. I don't know what he was

1360
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: thinking that was, but then that was an interception. Yeah,

1361
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: but I mean it's the same thing. Just take the

1362
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: sack and just take the sack, just go down live

1363
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: to see another point. Pretty good at taking facts, he's

1364
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: got whatever. And by the way, Charlie and Charlie, by

1365
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: the way, that goes back to the idiotic point the

1366
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: first calling me that he just gives up plays and

1367
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: falls down and doesn't try to make something happen. Well,

1368
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: on a third and twenty, instead of checking it down,

1369
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: he threw a pick. Then on a sack trying to

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: make a play, he fumbles the ball. So you can't

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01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: complain about the turnovers but then complain that he just

1372
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: takes ACKs all the time. It can't be both at

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: the same time, exactly. I mean, LOOKI is our quarterback.

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01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: He's going to be our quarterback next year. Did you

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01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: see like two or three throws he he had in

1376
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: that game? He I mean there was one to uh Shepherds,

1377
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: and there was a couple to England and then with

1378
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: another one to a fowler I think it was and

1379
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: Coleman who he just you know, in the in the

1380
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: wet weather, in the rain, Eli had some really good

1381
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: throws in our defense. Even though they gave up a

1382
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: million yards we were in that game, they weren't given

1383
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: up points. And you know, if we didn't have those

1384
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: two turnovers, which is you know we did, but if

1385
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: we didn't, you know, we we could have. We would

1386
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, we could have won that game because we

1387
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: were down there what a couple of times to score

1388
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know, I just think it was

1389
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: just it was just not it was just not our game.

1390
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: And like I said, you can't win without Odell. You know,

1391
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: we looked like we did when we didn't have O'Dell

1392
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: last year. Remember, you know, that's what we looked like. Well,

1393
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: a lot of other players were hurt though, on top

1394
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: of Odell. But I said, how many passes did they drop?

1395
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, was it? I mean I would say probably

1396
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: five or six? Yeah, I mean, and then we have penalties,

1397
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, would have a drop. And that's what happened

1398
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: in the first half of the season. I mean, that's

1399
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: the thing is, you know, playing offenses is a rhythm

1400
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: and in momentum, and when you get negative plays and

1401
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: you drop passes, it just stops the whole thing. And

1402
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: then then you got third in like twenty or whatever

1403
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: it is, you know, and then then you then you

1404
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: got to take chances and Eli you know how to

1405
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: try to make play. So he's our quarterback, and he's

1406
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: going to be our quarterback next year. And I think

1407
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: you has probably the quarterback next year right now. If

1408
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: I had to bet, yeah, I would agree with you.

1409
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if percent, but I would bet no.

1410
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: But I think it's trending in that direction. I would

1411
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: certainly say that there's some signs there that would lead

1412
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: you to believe that that may be the case, that's why,

1413
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: and and nothing certainty. But you know, for the fans

1414
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: who are saying that this is the last rh mine

1415
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: working this narrative that they're gonna move on, they're gonna

1416
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: move on, I would not put it in pen because

1417
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: there's no definitive answer perpect. I can't predict what's gonna

1418
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: happen in the draft and of the quarterbacks at a

1419
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: free agents again, what I mean, there's no guarantee they

1420
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: get the guy that you want. Is there on a

1421
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: lot out there that are starting quality quarterbacks? I'm just saying.

1422
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, on that one play that he

1423
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: talked about, when they pick the Shepherd, they were playing

1424
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: man under too deep, which basically means you're playing man

1425
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: across the board and your two safeties are playing deep.

1426
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: On that play, the post pattern is not open. That

1427
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: turns into a double team because you have the guy's

1428
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: corner following strong Shepherd on the post underneath, then you

1429
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: have the safety deep over the top. The safety actually

1430
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: made a really good play. Busy went off of what

1431
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: the responsibility was supposed to be covering Shepherd on the

1432
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: post and came down on to the player running the

1433
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: app might Eli stared the guy down too much. That's

1434
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: very possible. I'll have to look at it again. But again,

1435
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: that's a good play by the safety. Eli actually threw

1436
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: the ball to the right place. Did he maybe lock

1437
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: onto the guy? That's possible. I'd have to look at

1438
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: it again. Lance, good show. Absolutely. I was just gonna say,

1439
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: speaking of business decisions real quick. The one play though,

1440
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: that I think we should criticize Eli Manning for when

1441
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: Barkley was trying to make something out of nothing. I

1442
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: chuckled because Eli, he was right in front of the

1443
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: play and you could tell Eli was like, Kwan, you

1444
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: are on your own, my friend. That is better in

1445
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: the smart like Mark and Maariotta decided to block Ogletree

1446
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: and didn't. But he might pay for a decision like

1447
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: that in another time. Eli was very wise in his

1448
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: decision making. Then everybody, good job on the calls. We

1449
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for calling him being part of the show.

1450
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: Russall's will be back with you tomorrow. I'm with He's

1451
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: with Paul Detino, Lance with you, Yes, He's with Paul

1452
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: Detino tomorrow. She makes you tune into Big Book Kickoff

1453
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: Live for that. For Lance Metal, I'm John Schmuth, thanks

1454
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: for joining us. We'll see tomorrow on John's dot com. Everybody,

1455
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Speaker 1: have a great day, have a go one