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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Philly Show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Rubin Tomorrow Junior,

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Speaker 3: look at him. I'm here, I'm touching him. We're I'm

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Speaker 3: completely close. Jim Salisbury's back in Philly. I'm todd z

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Speaker 3: a lucky hope.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's doing well.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, March fourteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Rubin. How does it feel to be back in clear Water?

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Speaker 1: Love it, love love love it good. Weather's fantastic. Nice

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Speaker 1: to see the fans supporting the team here as well,

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Speaker 1: and it's been great. Can't wait for Jim to come

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Speaker 1: back down. If he really wants to come back down.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's problem is, but we need to

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Speaker 1: get him back down here so the Triumvirate can be together.

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Speaker 4: I was watching some ball the other day. I watched.

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Speaker 5: West Chester University lay one on Wilmington University. West Chester

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Speaker 5: got a hell of a club.

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Speaker 1: So you're real fan, James, You're a true fan.

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Speaker 3: You miss it so much you went up went over

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Speaker 3: to west Chester you to watch them ball.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 5: I love watching the local colleges play a lot of

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Speaker 5: good talent around here.

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Speaker 2: The Local nine, Jim as you like, they really are

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Speaker 2: the local Local nine. You're Harvey Hooper. What's his name?

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Speaker 4: Harry Hooper?

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Speaker 2: And sorry, he's in the He's in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Harry Hooper.

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Speaker 4: He's in the Hall of Fame, the big one in Cooperstown.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: He's now you know, he's a borderline pick for me,

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Speaker 3: Harry Hooper.

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Speaker 1: Can you give me a quick Harry Hooper?

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Speaker 2: You give me a quick age, Harry Hooper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, give us his his exceptance.

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Speaker 3: We laid a thumping on the fields in the World's

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Speaker 3: Aies World Champs.

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Speaker 4: We are what was in the postgame spread?

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Speaker 2: What was in the postgame spread back then?

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Speaker 1: Probably like uh uh some fiddle and cabin he'll be

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Speaker 1: cage exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: So all right, So the Phillies. Today, it's Friday. They

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Speaker 3: have a spring breakout game. It's here at Bacare Ballpark.

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Speaker 3: So all the top Phillies prospects are playing all the

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Speaker 3: top Pirates prospects, so that'll be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Then later tonight, Friday night, the Phillies are in Tampa

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Speaker 3: at George M. Steinbrennerfield, playing the Yankees. Taiwan Walker will

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Speaker 3: be pitching, so that'll be worth watching. But yesterday I

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Speaker 3: wanted to bring this up because we've gotten some comments

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Speaker 3: and some questions about Trey Turner at the plate. Trey

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Speaker 3: Turner hitting lead off yesterday, lead off home run, and

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Speaker 3: then he walks, he has a sacrifice fly. And I

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Speaker 3: was talking with Kevin Long about Trey earlier this week,

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Speaker 3: asking him, you know, hey, he's kind of struggling the spring.

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Speaker 3: I know it doesn't matter, but what do you make

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Speaker 3: And he said, honestly, I think that Trey coming into

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Speaker 3: camp was so focused on letting the ball, get backing

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Speaker 3: He said he kind of got caught in between in

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Speaker 3: this decision making. He said he feels like Trey's getting

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Speaker 3: more comfortable in that decision making process right now. And

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Speaker 3: from what Trey told Kevin Long that Trey said, as

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Speaker 3: long as I feel good with about three or four

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Speaker 3: days to go before the season starts, I think I

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Speaker 3: think I'll be okay. So can you explain when when

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Speaker 3: a lot of people talk about you here, like hitting

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Speaker 3: coaches and players say let back the ball up, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know, if everybody knows what that means, tell

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Speaker 3: everybody what that means.

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Speaker 2: Backing What does that mean? Backing the ball up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know.

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Speaker 1: There's obviously been a lot of talk about swing decisions

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Speaker 1: and seeing the ball longer and not guessing and making

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Speaker 1: sure that you see the ball longer. That's sort of

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Speaker 1: what they when you say backing the ball up. You

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Speaker 1: can make better decisions. The only way to do that

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Speaker 1: It's like a fine line, and you want to get

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Speaker 1: at strikes. Obviously, it's been an issue, especially late in

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Speaker 1: that you can swing at strikes. You can make adjustments

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Speaker 1: on breaking pitches, you can make decisions on breaking pitches

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Speaker 1: the velocity has increased on average so much that it

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Speaker 1: sort of forces you to make your decisions earlier. That's

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Speaker 1: what they mean by backing it up. And I always

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Speaker 1: believed in spring training there's like three processes it has

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Speaker 1: to happen. You know, you start off, you first want

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Speaker 1: to see pitches. You haven't seen pitches for several months.

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Speaker 1: You want to see a live arm. You make adjustments.

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Speaker 1: It takes some time to make that adjustment. You get hot,

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Speaker 1: a sudden there's, oh, oh there now now that now

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Speaker 1: the guys are spinning the baseball. So I think that

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Speaker 1: there's like this, like there's sort of an undulation of

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Speaker 1: by the by two or three days before spring training.

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Speaker 1: You want to be before the end of spring training,

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Speaker 1: you want to be in a position to have you

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Speaker 1: all of your mechanisms, you know, straightened out, your timing,

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Speaker 1: ability to recognize pitches. And uh, and I'm thinking, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Long is very hopeful that most of the guys

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Speaker 1: get to that point. Not everybody's there, but uh, but

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Speaker 1: typically most of the veteran guys get to that point.

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Speaker 1: They know how many at bats, they know how many

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Speaker 1: reps they need to get there. And you're starting to

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Speaker 1: see Trey Turner get to the point where seeing the

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Speaker 1: ball a little bit better and not quite so in between,

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Speaker 1: when you're in between your loss. It's a little bit

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Speaker 1: like feeling the same sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: Love love that you use the word undulation on the undulation.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't that wasn't on the bingo card this morning,

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Speaker 1: wasn't the hell of a word.

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Speaker 5: Just listening to what Kevin Long said, they kind of

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Speaker 5: put a lot out in Trey Turner's play coming in,

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Speaker 5: you know, more selectivity, use the whole field, don't be

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Speaker 5: pole happy. So it just sounds like he might have

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Speaker 5: been thinking too much. And sometimes thinking can be the

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Speaker 1: You gotta be dumb to hit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 5: And Charlie used to say that I know what he means.

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Speaker 5: By it because it's hitting is a It sounds a

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Speaker 5: little silly, but obviously baseball is a thinking person's game,

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Speaker 5: but it's.

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Speaker 4: More a reaction game.

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Speaker 5: You got to be so confident in your process and

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Speaker 4: The reaction is quicker than the decision. I know, it's

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Speaker 5: But you know, if he says he only needs, you know, two,

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Speaker 5: as long as he's good two or three days before

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Speaker 5: opening day. Honestly, I believe that because I've seen hitters

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Speaker 5: get hot with a good take. Seriously, like they take

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Speaker 5: well that they're this close to.

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Speaker 4: Being locked in.

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Speaker 5: So if he's slowly progressing towards being locked in and

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Speaker 5: committed to using the whole field to the point where

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Speaker 5: he's not thinking about it, he's just reacting and it's happening,

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Speaker 5: that's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: You think he's gonna end up being the leadoff guy.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 2: I do? I feel like you almost have to, like

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Speaker 2: you think it could possibly help. And I know Rob

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Speaker 2: gets asked it like literally almost every.

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Speaker 4: Day, because one day he's one day he's going to say,

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Speaker 4: you have to ask those questions.

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Speaker 5: I understand because one day he's going to say, as

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Speaker 5: a matter of fact, I have arrived at a decision.

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Speaker 4: Get your notebooks out.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: That's the part I wish iuld tell her.

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Speaker 3: I like, Rob, literally, we have to ask you every

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Speaker 3: day because if the day we don't, you're gonna go.

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Speaker 3: You know, Actually I made up my decision on Monday.

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Speaker 3: You guys never asked me on Monday.

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Speaker 4: It's like it should be a standing question.

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Speaker 5: And if I tug on my right ear, you know,

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Speaker 5: and you tug on your left hand, that means no.

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Speaker 4: But if you tug on your right ear, it means

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Speaker 4: I have an answer for you. So I ask the question.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, but I feel like one of

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Speaker 5: these days there might be not until opening day in Washington,

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Speaker 5: but I just feel like that's the way. Honestly, it's

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Speaker 5: been trending since since October, when.

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Speaker 1: The real question is how long did you stay with it?

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Speaker 1: And it got to give it a rod, You got

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Speaker 1: to give it a little bit of a ride.

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Speaker 5: But it's been trending this way since October, since their

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Speaker 5: breakup news conference, when Rob offered he might move Swarber

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Speaker 4: Hole to the middle of the order. It was right there.

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Speaker 5: You could almost see the sign, the beacon going off

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Speaker 5: that this is coming, this is coming, this is coming,

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Speaker 5: and I feel like we're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: And I really do. I have to tell you, I

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Speaker 1: really do like the order that he threw out there. Yesterday.

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Speaker 1: They scored a bunch of runs and it was nice

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Speaker 1: to validate that. But when you have Turner, Harper, Boem

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Speaker 1: and then Schwarber, boy, you've got a lot of thunder

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Speaker 1: at the top of that lineup, and then you follow

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Speaker 1: with some pretty dark good hitters after that too, So

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Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at you're looking some quality and

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Speaker 1: those are really, in my mind, your best top four hitters,

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Speaker 1: and you're most the ones that should be the most productive.

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Speaker 1: Then you followed up with Cassie, and I like the

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Speaker 1: way Kepler swinging the back. Yes, yeah, he had a

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Speaker 1: tracer and he's he looks relaxed, he looks good at

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Speaker 1: the plate, he's making good swing decisions. Takes. You talk

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Speaker 1: about takes, it sounds silly, it looks like he's seeing

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Speaker 1: the ball really well, but you make it really astute.

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Speaker 1: Point with it takes Jim because when you take a

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Speaker 1: pitch and you're not off balance and you see the

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Speaker 1: ball and you know it's either a ball or strike,

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Speaker 1: that that really is a confidence builder for you in

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Speaker 1: the box. I knew as a hitter that if I

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Speaker 1: saw a pitch and I took it, a change up

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Speaker 1: and I took it and did not offer at it,

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Speaker 1: I felt like that guy doesn't have a pitch to

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Speaker 1: get me out. And when you have that feeling in

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Speaker 1: the box, it's like.

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Speaker 5: That, it's like that one moment sometimes can unlock something.

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Speaker 3: Maybe then you can talk right right behind Bryce, right

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Speaker 5: Reportedly you have read that they're like fifty million apart

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Speaker 3: So the Phillies on Thursday, they announced that Jimmy Rownds

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Speaker 2: We all knew Jimmy was going to get on at

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Speaker 3: It was just kind of what year they wanted to

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm very happy for Ed, richly deserved. You mentioned

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Speaker 4: When I think of Ed, I think of the word foundation.

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Speaker 5: He was, you know, so instrumental in building the foundation

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Speaker 4: So hats off to Ed.

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Speaker 5: Really happy for him and Jimmy as well. We knew

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Speaker 1: Later, Hey, Todd, I want to hear your opinion about

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, he was the first guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, Ed Ed based a lot of criticism and

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Speaker 2: In fact, I feel like.

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Speaker 3: The thing about Ed today is even if you say, like, hey, Ed,

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Speaker 3: you know, I Well, let me tell you about the

439
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Speaker 3: time I could have made this move that would have

440
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Speaker 3: changed the entire you know, direction of the franchise and

441
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have won the World Series in two thousand

442
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Speaker 3: and eight if I had made this trade. Uh, He's

443
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 3: he never really wants to get into those things. It

444
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Speaker 3: would make for a really great story, a great book.

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Speaker 3: But that's just not his not his style. But you know,

446
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 3: clearly his fingerprints, like you said, Jim and Reuben, you know,

447
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 3: are all over those that those two thousand and seven

448
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Speaker 3: twenty eleven teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean people, I think people know my relationship

450
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Speaker 1: with Ed Ed the one mistake he made was to

451
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Speaker 1: hire me right right off the field. But the reality

452
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Speaker 1: of it is that you know, Ed was one of

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Speaker 1: the great mentors that I had a teachers for me

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Speaker 1: as far as work ethic. He had that sort of

455
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Speaker 1: man in the arena attitude about you know, never always

456
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Speaker 1: taking the blame and always giving credit to others. That

457
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Speaker 1: was sort of his mantra. And uh and I felt

458
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Speaker 1: like that was a very very important, you know, essential

459
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Speaker 1: part of who he was. They had a plan, David

460
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Speaker 1: Montgomery and Ed Wade had a plan. It was to

461
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Speaker 1: get good and stay good. And to get good they

462
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Speaker 1: had to draft well and to develop well. And they

463
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Speaker 1: did a heck of a job with many of the

464
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Speaker 1: players that became the core players of that team, from

465
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Speaker 1: Chooch to to Cole, et cetera, et cetera. You start

466
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Speaker 1: thinking about all the guys that came through our system

467
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Speaker 1: and the people that he required and the way he

468
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Speaker 1: went about his business. Uh scouting player development, he learned

469
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Speaker 1: a lot. He was a PR guy intern. He you know,

470
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Speaker 1: went to went to Houston, did a bunch of things

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Speaker 1: over there, did some contract negotiation, learned about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the administration of the game there. Came back as an

473
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Speaker 1: assistant GM and really helped Lee Thomas with the ninety

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Speaker 1: three team as the assistant and then getting the opportunity

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Speaker 1: he really started building from within and uh and And

476
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Speaker 1: created that core. As you talked about, I want to,

477
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Speaker 1: you know, kill the dead, be the dead horse there,

478
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Speaker 1: but for someone, uh, on a personal level, great human being,

479
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Speaker 1: a wonderful family man, and somebody that that has well deserved.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that John Middleton and others who make

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Speaker 1: that decision are put him on the Wall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: It's really it was an emotional call that I got

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Speaker 1: from him yesterday. That's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Matt Threen from The Inquiry tweeted out something this morning

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Speaker 3: fun fact ed Wade the only Wall of Fame inductee

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Speaker 3: to also be a novelist.

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Speaker 4: That's right. He's written two books.

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Speaker 2: He's written two books.

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Speaker 4: A second one ed you you Ruben, you mentioned family man.

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Speaker 5: I bump into him a lot at the ballpark with

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Speaker 5: his grandkids, and it's so cool that his grandkids, you know,

492
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Speaker 5: are gonna be able to walk out on Nashburn Ally

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Speaker 5: and see their granddad's plaque out there forever. And you

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Speaker 5: also mentioned the plan him and David Montgomery had get

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Speaker 5: good and stay good. I remember hearing that over and

496
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Speaker 5: over and over, and kind of built within that was

497
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Speaker 5: a commitment to patients and a methodical approach, and they

498
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 5: were very patient, and they were methodical because they were

499
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 5: also juggling another ball and that was a stadium, which

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Speaker 5: they viewed as kind of a I don't want to

501
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Speaker 5: say savior of the franchise, but they needed to get

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Speaker 5: into a new stadium to provide revenue streams to sustain

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Speaker 5: the organization be what they wanted to be.

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Speaker 4: So they were.

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Speaker 5: Building a team, trying to build a stadium as well,

506
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Speaker 5: and you know, bringing that all there. So I think

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00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 5: that led to a very methodical approach on you know,

508
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 5: on both ends, building a stadium, building a team, and

509
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Speaker 5: at the end, it just it probably didn't happen fast enough,

510
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Speaker 5: some people got impatient and a change was made. But

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Speaker 5: under today's rules, with six teams making the postseason, I

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Speaker 5: think ED would have had three postseason teams, right.

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Speaker 2: With two thousand and three for sure?

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Speaker 4: They just two or three or two?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two thousand and three for sure, two five, I

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Speaker 2: think for sure? Right, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Will say this, and lest we forget, he was also

518
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Speaker 1: instrumental in sort of putting the Phillies back on the

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Speaker 1: on the map in the organization, not just with the ballpark,

520
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Speaker 1: but with the signing of Jim Tomy, bringing him in

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Speaker 1: and the and the way that he went about getting

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Speaker 1: that done and bringing Charlie Manual to the organization. Uh,

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Speaker 1: lest we forget, he hired Charlie Manuel, He brought in

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Speaker 1: Jim Tomy, and he sort of put the Phillies on

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Speaker 1: the map. A lot of things that he did in

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Speaker 1: not just with building the core, but actually moving it

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Speaker 1: forward even beyond that. Again, we didn't get to the

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Speaker 1: finish line with that because of the rules and because

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Speaker 1: I mean there was a time when like for four,

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Speaker 1: three or four years we started looking at the you know,

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Speaker 1: the record of that team over that those four or

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Speaker 1: five years, one of the better ones in all of

533
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Speaker 1: baseball just could not you know, put all the pieces

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Speaker 1: and parts together to get to the postseason. And that

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Speaker 1: that was sort of sort of his downfall.

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Speaker 5: It It just didn't happen fast enough. But don't make

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Speaker 5: the mistake in thinking that things good things weren't happening.

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Speaker 4: Good things were happening.

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Speaker 5: It just didn't reach the you know, the train didn't

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Speaker 5: pull into the station quick enough under those rules.

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Speaker 4: Under today's rules.

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Speaker 5: With more postseason teams, they make it to the train station,

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Speaker 5: they make it to October. And as we know very

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Speaker 5: very well, anything can happen in October. So but bottom

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Speaker 5: line is, hats off to a great man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no doubt. Congrats to Ed Wade, Congrats

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Speaker 2: to Jimmy Rerownds Wall of Fame. A couple of quick

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Speaker 2: things here.

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Speaker 3: Matt Strom had We talked about this on Monday show.

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Speaker 3: Inflammation is left shoulder, brome brus and his left shoulder.

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Speaker 3: He was supposed to be evaluated on Thursday. Rob Thompson

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Speaker 3: said they're going to give him a couple more days.

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Speaker 3: They're going to evaluate him again on Saturday, but Rob

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Speaker 3: said he is feeling better. Matt Strom is feeling better.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what that means. I would still expect he's

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Speaker 3: not going to be ready by opening day. He's still

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Speaker 3: not throw and so we talk about options. You know, no,

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Speaker 3: Bill Chrismatt threw the ball well again yesterday. I think

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Speaker 3: one in two thirds scoreless innings. He's a non roster guy,

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Speaker 3: but he's somebody that that Rob is keeping an eye on.

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Speaker 3: And Devin Sweet is on the forty man rofter. He

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Speaker 3: got roughed up on Tuesday in Fort Myers. He's one

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Speaker 3: of the forty man roster candidates. So you know, Tyler

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Speaker 3: Phillips is a candidate. I guess you could say he's

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Speaker 3: out of options, so if he doesn't make the team,

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Speaker 3: he would have to go through waivers. So some of

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Speaker 3: the just keep an eye on that. Saturday, maybe have

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Speaker 3: an update on Matt Strom. A lot of people asked

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Speaker 3: me yesterday what's going on with Nick castianis because he

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Speaker 3: hasn't played since Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So well, one of the big reasons he hasn't played.

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Speaker 3: Sin Sunday is because none of the big boppers went

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Speaker 3: to Fort Myers on.

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Speaker 2: Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: None of them took that three hour hellish ride down

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Speaker 3: down the interstate down to Fort Myers and at an

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Speaker 3: overnight trip, so he didn't play Monday, he didn't play

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Speaker 3: Tuesday as scheduled, Wednesday was an off day, and then

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Speaker 3: Thursday he came to the ballpark feeling a little bit

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Speaker 3: under the weather. So I think Nick is going to

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Speaker 3: be in the lineup tonight against the Yankees, against.

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Speaker 2: The Yankees and Tampas, so know, no cause for concern there.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, spring breakout game is today Yankees tonight. Taiwan

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Speaker 2: Walker pitching against the Yankees, So.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like a showcase to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, and that's okay. I hopefully he

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Speaker 1: pitches well. It's a great test for him. We'll see

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Speaker 1: whether his stuff is really playing up the way it

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Speaker 1: has over the last couple of outings. He does look

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Speaker 1: sharper again. Now, there's no question that the Yankees are

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Speaker 1: probably looking for some pitching, starting pitching that might be

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Speaker 1: out there, and they probably have the wherewithal as far

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Speaker 1: as the cash flow to be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: Although Brian Cashman does cry a little poverty from time to.

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Speaker 2: Time, it is right now, right now, It is right now.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that, but I will say that again,

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Speaker 1: there's no issue at all with me with this team

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00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: having too much pitching. You just never know when somebody

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00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: can tweak. And I'm not trying to put the heck's

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Speaker 1: on anybody, but the reality of it is, health is

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Speaker 1: so important, and it's so fragile at this time of

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Speaker 1: the year, and uh, you know, hopeful that these guys,

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Speaker 1: all these four or five six starters, stay healthy as

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00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: they rolled into uh late March and then opening day.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, guys, Jim, come down, come on down, man, we

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00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: miss you. Come on down.

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Speaker 1: We'll get you a little color on that skin.

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Speaker 4: Bro, I was there. I had some color, it faded.

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Speaker 4: But you know that my.

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Speaker 5: My crocuses apart popping up, and my daffodils are popping up,

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Speaker 5: and you know I got I got the farm to

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Speaker 5: get ready for the.

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Speaker 1: Get the bomb ready, right, That's right, all right, guys.

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Speaker 3: Well we'll be back on Monday, Monday, Tuesday, early next

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Speaker 3: week for more Philly Show. Smellulator Smellulator, boy tell you Jim.

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