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Speaker 1: Will six so even be on the Marlins when the

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Speaker 1: regular season opens on Thursday. Our topic of the day

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Speaker 1: between myself and Ethan Bidowski is figuring out the twenty

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Speaker 1: six man active roster that the Marlins are gonna put

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Speaker 1: together for Thursday's game against the Race, and a few

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Speaker 1: decisions on that already coming out as we're recording this

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Speaker 1: here on middle of the morning Monday. This is Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Eli and Ethan here on mid Monday morning, right

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Speaker 1: after the Marlins has finished there gripful league schedule, and

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Speaker 1: Ethan has been handling our roster predictions throughout the month,

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Speaker 1: this entire month, and it's been a messy job this year,

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Speaker 1: hasn't it trying to fit together all these pieces of

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Speaker 1: this puzzle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I also just handled a bowl of cinnamon

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Speaker 2: to's crunch as you can see. So this is legitimately

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Speaker 2: breakfast with Eli and Ethan. But yeah, it has kind

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Speaker 2: It's the Marlins kind of have this number crunch on

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Speaker 2: especially we know, you know, the bench is how the

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Speaker 2: Even though the Marlins have an extra man this year

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, ultimately, at the end of this episode,

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Speaker 1: we're going to try to put together a prediction between

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Speaker 1: the two of us. Already had my own prediction, it's

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Speaker 1: up on Twitter. But with this one, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: give you ultimate veto power on this. We'll talk through

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Speaker 1: you the power to try to make the forecast yourself

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Speaker 1: in terms of how exactly the decisions are going to

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Speaker 1: go through who are what I believe the locks, the

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Speaker 1: So I think I got nine for the hitting side

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll be heading up to jackson to Jacksonville to

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Speaker 2: to see how much the Marlins valued his spring over

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Speaker 2: So I think he's on. Is he under pressure more

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Speaker 1: for them so far, especially with the news that still

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Speaker 1: the start of the season. My assumption was that deal

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Speaker 1: and right now that's looking very unlikely. And Brinson is

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Speaker 1: just a much better fit with the National League game.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're agreed. I guess on these thirteen position players,

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Speaker 1: Aguilar Alfaro, b a Berdie Cooper, Dickerson, Duval Marte, g Row, Jazz, Brinson, Sierra,

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Speaker 1: and Chad Wallack, that's the thirteen. And that's gonna just

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Speaker 1: leave four more spots to figure out on this pitching staff.

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Speaker 1: But that's a lot easier said than done.

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Speaker 2: We had. I just want to say, I think that

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Speaker 2: lineup is a lot better than people get it. Give

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Speaker 2: it credit for especially you know, it gets book the bend.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's not a lot of depth there. There's

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Speaker 2: depth in the Marlands system, but there's not a lot

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Speaker 2: of depth at the major league level right now. But

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Speaker 2: that one through not you know, those that one through

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Speaker 2: nine that you're going to be putting out there every day,

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Speaker 2: and if the meat the DH magically appears, which I

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Speaker 2: could rant for thirty minutes about the DH, but I'm

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Speaker 2: going to spare the listeners that you know that one

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Speaker 2: through eight, that one through nine, whatever you're going to

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Speaker 2: be putting out there every day is really solid. It's

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Speaker 2: a solid major league lineup. You know, you've got to

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Speaker 2: the two guys at the top have been productive major

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Speaker 2: league hitters for a long time, especially Starling Marte is

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Speaker 2: just an awesome baseball player. At a great spring, Aguilar

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Speaker 2: is gonna bring pop. And if it's not Aguilar, it's Cooper.

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Speaker 2: If if it's not defall hitting dingers every day, it's Cooper.

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Speaker 2: You know, Mickey Rowe has been productive. BA had a

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Speaker 2: rough spring, but you know what you're going to get

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Speaker 2: out of BA. Nobody's really worried about him. And then

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll see what jazz. He has so much potential.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, but I think this lineup is is going

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Speaker 1: rest of this pitching staff, trying to figure out four

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Speaker 1: more spots to go along with Alcontra, Bass, Blier, Floro,

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Speaker 1: Yimmy Hernandez, Lopez, Pop and Campbell. Well makes it so complicated.

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Speaker 1: It's just the flexibility. I mean, the only guys on

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Speaker 1: any minor league options left are Bass, Blier and no

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Speaker 1: Datweiler as a lock. To me, he is a locke

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Speaker 1: because he's on a guaranteed deal. They paid I think

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty grands to him early in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: a very underwhelming deal. I wasn't too thrilled with that,

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Speaker 1: being a guy that has a long major league track record,

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Speaker 1: but not a particularly good one, and now they're just

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Speaker 1: having him as a reliever, the second lefty in this

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Speaker 1: bullpens go along with Blier, and I still think he

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Speaker 1: makes a team because they wouldn't have made that commitment

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Speaker 1: just to review what he did this spring, it was

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Speaker 1: pretty ugly overall.

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Speaker 2: What was it a.

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Speaker 1: Six seventy five era, a two point one to zero whip,

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Speaker 1: more than two base runners per ending and he finished

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Speaker 1: it on a pretty sketchy note too. He faced the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals I think on Saturday in their second last game,

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Speaker 1: and he loaded the bases and he wiggled out of it.

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Speaker 1: But overall, I mean batting average against three ninety three

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Speaker 1: ops against one thy forty, So in that small sample

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Speaker 1: it was really unimpressive. The key to him last year

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Speaker 1: with the White Sox was like the slider that he's

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Speaker 1: fine to in the slider cutter thing that finally misses

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Speaker 1: some bats, And it was really inconsistent this spring. Like

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Speaker 1: I remember several individual at bats where he had guys

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Speaker 1: on the ropes with two strikes and then he just

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Speaker 1: wasn't locating it well enough to put them away. So

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Speaker 1: it raises a red flag. But with him, he's on

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Speaker 1: that guaranteed deal, and he was brought in by Kim

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Speaker 1: Eng one of Kimming's actually her first major league free

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Speaker 1: agent signing after taking over the job. I have to

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Speaker 1: think he's on the roster at least for the early

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Speaker 1: portion of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the Marlins aren't going to go into

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Speaker 2: the season with one lefty, and I don't think that

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Speaker 2: they're going to put Castano in the pen. I think

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Speaker 2: he's either going to start at the major league level

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Speaker 2: or he's going to start in Jacksonville and come up

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Speaker 2: and come down as needed. So you can't go into

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Speaker 2: the season with only one lefty. So I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's gotta be there. Doesn't have an option. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: he's got guaranteed money. Yeah, I agree. I would have

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Speaker 2: liked to see the Marlins go in a different direction

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Speaker 2: and free agency in terms of relievers. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not necessarily saying throw ten million dollars or whatever brad

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Speaker 2: Hand got at him, but because they clearly didn't have

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Speaker 2: that money this you know, this afseason, but I think

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Speaker 2: going forward they will. But he's just, yeah, he's just

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Speaker 2: one of those relievers that's been around the yard and

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Speaker 2: you kind of know what he brings. He had, he

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Speaker 2: had a good year last year, but like you said,

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Speaker 2: if that slider's not going to be what it was

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Speaker 2: last year, then he's not going to have the same success.

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Speaker 2: He it's just a lefty reliever, you know, you have

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Speaker 2: to have him, and so I think that, yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: pretty much on this roster unless they want to bring

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Speaker 2: in Castano to be their you know, their swing guy,

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Speaker 2: and they keep him on this roster. But you know,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty thousand guaranteed dollars, you know they're

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Speaker 2: not going to cut that. So I yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: he makes the roster. But I agree with you it

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Speaker 2: is a very underwhelming signing.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: There there wasn't much to say about it. Really. It

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Speaker 2: was just kind of okay, you're signing Ross Dettweiler. Everybody

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Speaker 2: knows that name because he's just kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: in fifteen years he'll be on my random MLB player threat,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's just he's just

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Speaker 2: kind of there. That's that's That's really what it is.

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Speaker 2: He's just kind of there because he's a lefty, and

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe the Marlins find a lefty somewhere that

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Speaker 2: they like better, but you know, for now, I think

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Speaker 2: he's got to be there.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that moves us on to the most

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Speaker 1: impressive lefty that was in this situation battling for a job.

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Speaker 1: That was Trevor Rodgers, Who's he's a nominee. He's a

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Speaker 1: finalist for our Marlin of the Month award. You can

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Speaker 1: then we'll give that out. He's a finalist because he

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Speaker 1: had the second most strikeouts in Major League Baseball this spring,

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Speaker 1: behind only Lucas Giolito.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine Keys got him at the end, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I put out an article because I was curious

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Speaker 1: whether spring strikeouts are like total nonsense or whether there's

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Speaker 1: something interesting there. And I was kind of amazed that

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Speaker 1: every single year, the guy that leads Spring training in

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Speaker 1: There's been Kyle Hendricks, There's been Francisco Lariano when he

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Speaker 1: found some very interesting It's a stretch, but I've found

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Speaker 1: some interesting parallels between mad Bum and Trevor Rodgers. He

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Speaker 1: was incredible, a guy that added on some weight this

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Speaker 1: offseason and that has already had some immediate dividends. His

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Speaker 1: fastball VLO is sitting nice in the mid nineties, and

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Speaker 1: he's got that great change up already. The improvement in

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Speaker 1: his slider, you can see it, and you can actually

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Speaker 1: measure it. His spin rate is up on that pitch.

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Speaker 1: He's got a great three pitch mix, and he's got commands,

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Speaker 1: and he's got all this these long limbs that he

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Speaker 1: gets really close to the plate when he delivers that.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason why everybody's picking him to be a

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Speaker 1: breakout candidate despite no Triple A experience, very little double

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Speaker 1: A experience when he's in the majors. Last year he

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Speaker 1: had some inconsistent bottom line results. But it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: just by it doesn't take much to see this guy

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Speaker 1: and know that he is ready to be a major

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Speaker 1: league starter. So we'll talk about him right now. That

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Speaker 1: the fit on the pitching staff for opening Day, it's

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Speaker 1: a little awkward, you don't know exactly where, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's an automatic that he will be on that roster,

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Speaker 1: that he'll be a guy. He's not going to be

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Speaker 1: starting one of the first three games of the season.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be Sandy and then Pablo and then Eliezer.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's going to be on the opening

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Speaker 1: day roster, available in relief if they need him, and

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Speaker 1: someone that lines up to start one of the first

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Speaker 1: games of the next series that they have next Monday

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Speaker 1: and Tuesday. That he's going to make the team. You

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Speaker 1: can't keep him off the team when his talent is

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Speaker 1: just this obvious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you, and I just want

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Speaker 2: to be clear. The Marlins have until Tuesday night to

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Speaker 2: set their roster.

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Speaker 1: Right, either Tuesday night or might actually be one Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: So the reason the reason I asked that, ELI is

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Speaker 2: because you know six do is throwing tomorrow and so

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Speaker 2: this this his the way he throws tomorrow, I think

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Speaker 2: will kind of determine if six makes the roster or not.

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Speaker 2: For those that don't know six so have a false

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Speaker 2: positive for COVID at the beginning of camp that set

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Speaker 2: him back. He only got to throw four starts, whereas

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Speaker 2: the other you know, main stays in the rotation. As

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Speaker 2: you would say, he got to throw five or six.

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Speaker 2: So he throws tomorrow, and depending on how he throws tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: will probably determine if he catches up in time and

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Speaker 2: makes the opening day roster. That means that there's either

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Speaker 2: one spot or two spots left right, and the two

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Speaker 2: guys fighting for those spots would be Nither and Rogers.

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Speaker 2: I think Castano kind of those guys were so good

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Speaker 2: that they kind of box Hastano out a little bit

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Speaker 2: from this competition. But Rogers was incredible. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: was just tremendous. Like you said, he was second in

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Speaker 2: the major leagues and strikeouts, he best did Sandy when

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Speaker 2: it comes to strikeouts. This spring. He was, you know,

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Speaker 2: tremendous last year. You know, he had a k per

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Speaker 2: nine above twelve in his six or seven search last year.

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Speaker 2: So the Marlins are really excited about this guy, and

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Speaker 2: Marlin stans are really excited about this guy. They would

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Speaker 2: not people would not let me say that neither it

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Speaker 2: should be the guy over Rogers. And I think that

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Speaker 2: Rogers with this last start kind of proved me, kind

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Speaker 2: of proved them right. You get ten k's in six innings.

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Speaker 2: He worked so tremendously. You know, he wasn't facing the

645
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: astros A lineup by any stretch of the imagination. I

646
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: don't think any of their top guys were in the lineup.

647
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: But to strike out ten guys in a spring training

648
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: game in six inning, to strike out ten guys in

649
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: any game is very impressive. So, like you said, Trevor,

650
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, maddingly talked about how he's bigger, he's stronger,

651
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: he looks better. His v low's up, his slider looks great.

652
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: We know he's got that Nancy changeup, and I've been

653
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: a proponent that you know, the five only five starts

654
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: in double A matters. To me, I've said that he

655
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: should go get some fine tuning because there were some

656
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: things last year that worried me. You know, he was

657
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: not getting as much swing and miss because he was

658
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: realizing that, you know, major league hitters are more disciplined

659
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: than high A and Double A hitters. But boy, was

660
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: he really good this spring, and I think he just

661
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: kind of forged the Marlins hand. I think neither there's

662
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: got to be a spot for Niger somewhere on this team.

663
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: He was really he was also really great this spring.

664
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, people talk like because strev was so good,

665
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: it means Snyder it wasn't really good. But Niger was

666
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: really freaking good this spring, and so I kind of

667
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: think that you also find have to find him a spot.

668
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, it doesn't look likely that

669
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Sixto is going to make the opening day roster. Personally,

670
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: to me, I think he'll throw one more start at

671
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: the alternate training site on I wrote it in the

672
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: article that I wrote recently. I can't remember which article

673
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: it was, but I wrote an article recently and six

674
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: to oh would have to make one more start on

675
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: like April fourth, and the Marlins have an off day

676
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: that day, so he could make that start at the

677
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: alternate training site, then fly to New York with them

678
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: and pitch in the New York Series or maybe yeah yeah,

679
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, because it would be the Cardinals on the fifth. Whatever. Anyway,

680
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna end up making his first start

681
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: on April tenth against the against the Mets. He'll fly

682
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: to New York with them, and I think that's where

683
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: you'll see him make his debut. But you never know.

684
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: Six Dough says that he only needs one more start.

685
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see how it goes with the Marlins.

686
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: But if six Dough, you know, it doesn't make it,

687
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: it makes it really easy because then Nier and Rogers

688
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: will both make a start to start the season and

689
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: then you can kind of judge based on their first

690
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: starts who stays. But Rogers was so good, so so good.

691
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: So I think I agree with you Eli that you

692
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: know he'll end up being the fifth guy. You know,

693
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: when sixth Dow is all up, and then it gets interesting,

694
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, do the Marlins make a move to bring

695
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: nindered up. Do they love Ninder that much? I know

696
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: they're really high on him. Donnie said he almost made

697
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: it as the fifth starter going into the regular season

698
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: if COVID hadn't shortened the year. So we'll say it's

699
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna be interesting. But yeah, Trevor was fantastic.

700
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: I think he'll be in the majors, uh for this

701
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: year for sure, to start this year for sure.

702
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: The six to those situation seems pretty clear cut to me.

703
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: You said he's going to make that next start tomorrow

704
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, that next stretch out start, and then he

705
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: does that start on Tuesday, and is he going to

706
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: be available to pitch two days later on Thursday on

707
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: opening Day. No, they're not. They're not even gonna consider

708
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be an option to appear in the opening

709
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: day game under any circumstances, even if it goes thirty innings.

710
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: And to me, I think that factor alone is pretty

711
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: clear as to why he won't be on the opening

712
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: day roster. That you're gonna see changes to this roster

713
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: within a few days after opening Day, which is why

714
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't be spending all this time talking about

715
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: it because it's such a small fragment of the season,

716
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: But that's me. It's as simple as that, where he

717
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: he could be ready potentially as soon as that second

718
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: series of the regular season, or if not, maybe even

719
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: more likely on that first road trip against the Mets.

720
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: But if he's if he is throwing a full length

721
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: start or close to it on Tuesday, he's not going

722
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: to be available to pitch on Thursday. They'll want to

723
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: put guys who are available to pitch on their active roster,

724
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: and I think that makes the decision just a no

725
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: brainer for him. Are they going to sell more tickets

726
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: to the opening series just for people to watch six

727
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: though in the dugout or like in the bullpen, just

728
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: to sit there and wave to him. I don't think so.

729
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that really moves the needle that much.

730
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: So even though they think the world is six though,

731
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: they're also very protective of him, and these setbacks have

732
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: been unfortunate because, of course, if not for COVID and

733
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: if not for a VSIT issue before that, he would

734
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: have been on the opening day roster for sure. He

735
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: would be one of the top five starters. I think

736
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: as impressive as Rogers has been Nick Knighter is probably

737
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: the one that gets squeezed off in that situation, But

738
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: in the reality we're living in, six Oz is just

739
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: a little far enough hind schedule that he's he's gonna

740
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: come up as soon as he's ready, but he's not

741
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: quite ready for April first. So with that said, we

742
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: have Rogers in and this makes it pretty easy in

743
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: my opinion, that Nier is going to have a role

744
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: on that opening day roster. I don't know if he

745
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: makes a start, and I don't know if he even pitches,

746
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: but if you're starting the season and they have this

747
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: thirteen man bench, which is only thirteen pitchers, then I

748
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: think it has value, of course to have someone another

749
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: arm on that roster that's already relatively stretched out for

750
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: not quite full starter duty, but for a multi ending relief.

751
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: And you can talk about Nydert a little bit. He

752
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: was really impressive this spring as well. Not as dominant

753
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: as Rogers, but very close to that. And it's this

754
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: is a guy that's been majorly ready for a couple

755
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: of years now and just hasn't gotten the opportunity due

756
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: to some bad luck with his injury and then with COVID.

757
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: So at this point, the doors I think have opened

758
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: for him pretty conveniently, at least for the first few

759
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: days of the season.

760
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Marlins have this weird scheduling Kirk this

761
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: year where they have an off day on Sunday and

762
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: that kind of breaks up their first series and then

763
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: their next series against the Cardinals. And that's interesting because

764
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: when do you ever get off, you know, the first

765
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: series on a Sunday feels like everybody plays on that Sunday.

766
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: When do you ever get off any Sunday in Major

767
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: League Baseball? So there's this weird scheduling Kirk where that

768
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: Sunday is the day that six to doh is scheduled

769
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: to throw in uh in it would be in Jupiter,

770
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: you know, or you know he's scheduled to throw that day.

771
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: So do you want to keep him on five, you know,

772
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: every five days and then have the extra day that

773
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: he takes b when they have another off day in

774
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: New York on his scheduled day, or are you just

775
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: going to say, here, buddy, take the day off and

776
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: come back and let's start you on on that Monday.

777
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that's gonna happen, and because

778
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: of that, I think Nier gets on and look was

779
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: awesome this spring. I mean he had his he had

780
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: the same.

781
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: E ra A.

782
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Him and Rodgers had the same e r A at

783
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: two point eight four. His whip was just a little higher.

784
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: I think it was like one point one one. He

785
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: shrug a bunch of guys out. He was really good.

786
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: I really loved watching Niger this spring. And you know,

787
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: up until like his second to last start, he hadn't

788
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: allow to run. But yeah, you know it's interesting because

789
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: because Donnie spoke so highly of him. You know, he said,

790
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: this guy was almost our fifth starter before he got

791
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: hurt in spring training. And then you know, the COVID

792
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: shut the season down, you know, shut the spring training down.

793
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: And then when they came back, he wasn't quite built

794
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: up to be a starter, so he was in that

795
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: bullpen roll. Then he got COVID. So he had some

796
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: bad luck the way that six zero has had bad

797
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: luck this spring, right six So there's nothing else to it.

798
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: If your test comes back positive but you don't actually

799
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: have COVID, that's just bad luck, you know. So Nider

800
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: had some bad luck last year and now he might

801
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: get some bad luck this year and that he was

802
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: great this spring, but Rogers was just better, you know,

803
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: So I think there's a role for him to play.

804
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Like I think that if he doesn't start, you know,

805
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: as a starter, maybe he starts as a bullpen arm,

806
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 2: because he did last year before COVID shut the season down.

807
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 2: You know, he pitched a couple of innings in relief

808
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. But I mean, this guy's been really good.

809
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: And so for me, I've said, I think his ceiling hit.

810
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: What he is is he's closer to a three than

811
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: he is to a five, right, So I think that

812
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: his that you know, we always said that his ceiling

813
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: was a three and his floor was a five or

814
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: like a triple a guy. And I think he's a

815
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: lot closer to his ceiling and you kind of saw

816
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: that this spring because he was so good. So for me,

817
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: it's really hard to leave him off. And he you know,

818
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: because he was so fantastic. But I like, I like

819
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: you you know, like we just keep saying Rogers was

820
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: just too good, and so yeah, I think he'll make

821
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: one start, you know. I think all these guys will

822
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: make one start and then six dow. You know, they'll

823
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: they'll on that off day, they'll bring six stow up

824
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: or whatever when they're in New York because they have

825
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: another off day then. So it's always the schedule is

826
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: always weird. At the beginning of the season. There's always

827
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: like some built in off days because of whether they

828
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: don't want to, you know, have weather problems and stuff

829
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 2: early in the season. But yeah, you know, I don't

830
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: really know how the Marlins have a good problem on

831
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: their hand, right, you know, I kept saying this is

832
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: that I don't really know how you pick between the two.

833
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: But it's a good problem to have, to say, we

834
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: have these two young starters. Both of them are top

835
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, ten to fifteen prospects in our system. They

836
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: were both great in spring. Which one do we pick?

837
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: That's not a bad problem to have.

838
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Well, this is where the real problem starts, because we're

839
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: now down to one spot on the whole roster. We've

840
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: mo've gone through twenty five at a twenty six, we

841
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: got one spot left. We know Craig Mash has been

842
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: reporting right before we went on air that James Hoyt

843
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: is going to be optioned down to the minors. This

844
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: is James Hoyt, who had a one point two to

845
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: three ERA last season out of the Marlins pen. He's

846
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: a really funky guy. Almost entirely relies on his slider

847
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: against rioties and lefties, and he had a lot of

848
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: success with that. He was someone that maddingly trusted in

849
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: critical situations to put out the fire in the middle

850
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: of the inning and a lot of high leverage situations.

851
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: He was great at stranding inherited runners. For most of

852
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: the year, he was great. But he's someone that has

853
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: a very mixed track record in the pros. He's already

854
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: thirty four years old, and like so many of the

855
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: other guys on the staff, he had I think multiple

856
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: minor league options to go or at least one, and

857
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: that decision has been made. It was not a surprise

858
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: to me, just because we've seen him this spring and

859
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: he was not good this spring. He was someone that

860
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: was He just did not have the same feel for

861
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: his slider as usually. He couldn't located wild pitches, hit

862
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: by pitches, hard contact, you name it. I think he

863
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: finished a little bit better than he started, but it's

864
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: an understandable decision. Also, Anthony Bender hashtag bender Mania, someone

865
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: that I've had my eye on throughout all spring. It

866
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: just took like two innings of spring for me to

867
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: really latch onto him to realize that, Wow, this guy

868
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: has a plus plus fastball. He is a plus plus slider.

869
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: He throws them bull for strikes. I don't know where

870
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: he came from. He came from the Brewers organization and

871
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: then from independent ball. Why they were able to get

872
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: him on a minor league deal and why they were

873
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: able to do that, and what other teams are missing,

874
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they got a gem in him.

875
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: He's going to be going to the fish tank as well,

876
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: not on the roster, so doesn't even need to be

877
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: optioned yet. He's still just a technically a minor leaguer.

878
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: But he had a scoreless spring training like he was.

879
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: The velocity held up all throughout spring ninety seven ninety eight.

880
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: He was the hardest thrower in Marlins camp this year,

881
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: and that's saying something to be the guy that has

882
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: the best velo. And he was tested. He faced some

883
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: like legit major leaguers during that final weekend of the spring.

884
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: He pitched on back to back days. He flirted with

885
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: some trouble, Like I think you can see that he's

886
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: not like a perfectly polished pitcher. There have been people

887
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: that have been trying to tell me Nick Anderson two

888
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: point zero next time Anderson, and I think that's jumping

889
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: way too far ahead, but because he hasn't done it

890
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: in real games yet. But at the very least, he's

891
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: someone that he's going to be one of the first

892
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: guys up when there is an issue in the bullpen,

893
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: when there's an injury or when someone gets hurt. That

894
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: you will almost absolutely see him in the majors this year.

895
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: So he's on the outside looking in.

896
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: What's really and I just want to say one thing

897
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: about him, is you mentioned that you don't really know

898
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: where he came from. Donnie didn't really know where he

899
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: came from either, which was the funny thing. I think

900
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: somebody specifically asked him, like, where did this guy come from?

901
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: And maddingly didn't really know. But yeah, he's he was

902
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: awesome in this spring. I think he was kind of

903
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: like that that, you know, there's one guy every spring

904
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: that just kind of comes out of nowhere and impresses

905
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: and he man, I mean, he was great. You know,

906
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 2: he kind of took the world by storm. He did

907
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: have some problems he gave up some hard contact and

908
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: so it's like, Okay, how sustainable could this be? Or

909
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: throwing hard and it's coming hard back at you. But

910
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: he looked really good and Donnie said he's got major

911
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: league stuff, so I I yeah, first guy Up, I

912
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: would say, probably, you know, maybe it's Hoite because of

913
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: how good he was last year and because of his

914
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 2: major league experience. But the Marlins have said they're gonna

915
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: take the guys that give them the best chance to

916
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: win games. They're done with giving guys opportunities. And if

917
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: they feel that Bender gives them the best chance to

918
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: win games because his stuff has more potential, then they're

919
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: gonna go with him. So you know it's gonna be

920
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: between those two. For first guy Up, I would say.

921
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Right in the meantime, we still got this one more

922
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: stot to play with on the pitching staff, and to me,

923
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: there's three candidates potentially and really just two. But technically

924
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Castano, I mean, he was really good for them

925
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: last year, and Donnie likes him and a lot. I mean,

926
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: he's he is such an easy guy to root for.

927
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: His veto was up a little bit this spring, but

928
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: we've already kind of covered it that he's most valuable

929
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: in that spot starter, multi ending relief role, and they

930
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: seem to have that covered already between Rogers and knightert

931
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: and Paul Campbell, that he would be a big surprise

932
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: if they put him on the roster. They already have

933
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: a couple lefties of course, as well, so that really

934
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: leaves Adam Simber. Two new guys Adam Simber acquired over

935
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: the off season from Cleveland's and then John Curtis who

936
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: they got into a trade from Tampa Bay, both of

937
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: them pretty productive this spring. As I said in the

938
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, I'm going to give you the

939
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: ultimate veto power on this. Then I want to hear

940
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: which one that you would go with first, and if

941
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: we disagree, I'll give you my reasons for it. But

942
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: just curious to think which one of them or if

943
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you have somebody really off the board that you have

944
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: it's the very final spot on the roster.

945
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: No, this is the two guys, and it's difficult because

946
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Donnie has mentioned them both as multiple inning guys, so

947
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like you're picking between a guy

948
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: that can go one inning or a guy that can

949
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: give you two or three. You're picking between two guys

950
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: that can give you a couple of innings at a time.

951
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: The thing is, Curtis is kind of more versatile. I

952
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, he opened for the Rais, so

953
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: he can start, uh, you know, he can do He

954
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: did the high leverage stuff, he did the middle you know,

955
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: the middle relief stuff. So I think that if you

956
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: if you're gonna opt for versatility, then you're gonna go

957
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: with Curtis. And also he was pretty good in the

958
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: majors last year. Simber is a guy that he gives

959
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: you a different look, right because he's you know, he's

960
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: got that that weird release, he's he's a Is he

961
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: a side arm or some mariner? Are they different things? Really?

962
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: But you know he gives you that.

963
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I think he's technically a submariner. I think he's technically submarine.

964
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: So if you want a guy that gives you a

965
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: different look, look, I've never been a fan of submariners.

966
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of unsustainable, right, Like there's there's

967
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: a few guys that have kind of made careers out

968
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: of it. Like who's the reliever for the Is it

969
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: there o' day?

970
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? No, Day is one and Simber says specifically

971
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: that he was kind of following in the school of

972
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Brad Ziegler.

973
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: Okay for former Marlin, but yeah, you know, it's like,

974
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how sustainable that submariner is. You know,

975
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: I think guys kind of either they figure it out

976
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: eventually or they're a little too wild or whatever the

977
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: case may be. So you're opting for, you know, a

978
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: multiening guy or multiening guy there. So that's the choice.

979
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: But now the choice becomes do you want versatility or

980
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: do you want to give people a different look? Right?

981
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: Do you want to give this people you know, teams

982
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: this submarine or look, or do you want the guy

983
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 2: that can you know, play multiple roles. I would personally

984
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: opt for And this is a tough decision because I

985
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: had both these guys on my roster when the Marlins

986
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: had you know, when I thought the Marlins were going

987
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: with nine pitchers because of the number crunch. But this

988
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: is where they get squeezed because they have to keep

989
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: two U five picks and both those guys it's not

990
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: like you're going to pass on one of those two

991
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Rule five guys because they both have a lot of

992
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: potential pop was one of the better relievers in camp

993
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: this year. And Campbell's a multi ning diet, you can

994
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: play a swing role. I thought his stuff is really good.

995
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: He's just kind of got to locate it better, you know.

996
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: But I would go with Curtis because I would go

997
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: with versatility. In a COVID year, you're gonna need you know,

998
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: this is still a COVID year. Look, let's not forget

999
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: about that, right, There's probably still gonna be guys that

1000
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: test positive for COVID, you know, hopefully, you know, MLB

1001
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: gets started on the vaccines with player players. I know,

1002
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: like the I saw the astros are stopping on the

1003
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: way from spring to their opening series in Houston to

1004
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: all get their first vaccination. I don't know if they're

1005
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: getting Johnson and Johnson, so maybe they'll be good. But

1006
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe MLB starts ritting up the vaccination and

1007
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: these teams start staying out of it. But it's a

1008
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: COVID year still, you're still gonna have got teams are

1009
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: still going to have to deal with this. So in

1010
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: a COVID year, we saw what happened last year, right,

1011
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: we saw how much versatility you need. I would offer

1012
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: versatility I would offer the guy that can play multiple roles,

1013
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: that can be a back end guy, he can be

1014
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: a mid guy, or he can give you, you know,

1015
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: a spot maybe not a spot start, but a spot

1016
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: open just kind of eat some innings here and there.

1017
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: I would go with Curtis. I also think his stuff

1018
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: has a little more potential, so that would be my pick.

1019
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: It's a tight pick, man. I mean, these two guys,

1020
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: you know, they were both brought in in trades, so

1021
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: the Marlins clearly value them. There's value to both of them.

1022
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: But I would just go with Curtis. I don't know,

1023
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pick between the two because

1024
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: it's kind of like they're, you know, when you get

1025
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: down to these relievers are all kind of the same guy.

1026
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would go with versatility.

1027
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: I personally would go with Curtis too. On top of

1028
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: everything you mentioned, they did give up more to acquire him,

1029
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, to acquire Simber. It was just cash considerations.

1030
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: To acquire Curtis. They gave up one of their early

1031
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft picks, Evan Edwards, who's got some interesting promise.

1032
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: They more invested in Curtis, and he was better last

1033
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: year I mean Simber missed some time last season. He

1034
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: had some things that were off kilter with his unique

1035
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: release point, and if he doesn't have the right release

1036
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: point on that, his stuff.

1037
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: Is yeah, exactly exactly now.

1038
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: What that thing said. I mean, my prediction is that

1039
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be Simber over Curtis, reasons being. I mean,

1040
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 1: you did mention it from both Donnie and also from

1041
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: Kim Ang on multiple occasions about how much she values

1042
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: having different looks out of the bullpen. I mean, and

1043
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: that's not only working in favor of Simber, but I

1044
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: think that works against Curtis because you look at these

1045
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: other relievers that we already put on the team. I mean,

1046
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: the ones that are locked in are Anthony Bass and

1047
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: Yimi Garcia. Who are those guys. They're tall right handers

1048
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: who throw mid nineties fastball with like a wipeout slider.

1049
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: Zach Pop made the roster. We agree that Zach Pop

1050
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: should have made the roster. His movement is a little

1051
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: bit unique, but I mean the profile is very similar

1052
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: to another guys slider. Yeah, exactly, in the same type

1053
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: of release point as those other guys as well. If

1054
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: you're facing if you're in a game situation, and you

1055
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: get five tough endings from Eliez or Hernandez and they

1056
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: turned over to the bullpen with a one run lead.

1057
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: And you go to the bullpen and first it's Zach

1058
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: Pop and then for Capitul, it's John Curtis, and then

1059
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: it's Yimi Garcia, and then it's Anthony Bass. I mean,

1060
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: you have four guys that are throwing the same way,

1061
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: and most of these hitters in the other lineup are

1062
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: going to face that's multiple times through the lineup for

1063
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: that other team where they just saw a guy in

1064
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: the sixth or seventh inning that looks a lot like

1065
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: the guy in the eighth or ninth ending in a vacuum.

1066
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: They're all good pictures, but this is a situation where

1067
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: you line them up like that, even though you like them,

1068
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: that they don't get the results that you're anticipating because

1069
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Speaker 1: the hitters are really comfortable because they've seen that in

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00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: the previous plate appearance. So maybe this is me overthinking it,

1071
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: but the hints have been there from I mean, from

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00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: everybody involved about how much they value having that different look.

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00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: With Simbers is someone that I mean, he's more of

1074
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: a specialist. I think You're correct in saying that Curtis

1075
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: is the more versatile pitcher and probably the more valuable

1076
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: pitcher over the course of a long season. Simper is

1077
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: a guy that when he's on top of his game,

1078
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: he is dominant against right handed batters because of his

1079
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: release point and his stuff. He's also someone that, probably

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Speaker 1: even more so than Curtis, is comfortable coming into the

1081
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: middle innings. So to me, really what why I give

1082
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: it to Simber is also because of what we mentioned

1083
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: about James Hoyt, where James White was the guy last

1084
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: year that Donnie liked to go to against right handed

1085
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: hitters in those tricky situations when his starter was running

1086
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: out of gas entering in the middle of the inning,

1087
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and having both of them on the roster Simber and

1088
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: Hoyt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think

1089
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: that's inefficient, and like I said, overall, those guys have

1090
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: somewhat limited upside. But the fact that they sent down

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00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: Hoyt to me that raised alarm bells that Simber was

1092
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: the guy that they were putting in, that they wanted

1093
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: one of those type of guys to have this very

1094
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: specific role in the bullpen, and if he struggles, then

1095
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: that's when they call up Hoyt or maybe they make

1096
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: a decision to maybe they make that bull decision to

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00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: just go with both power arms everywhere as many as possible,

1098
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: and that's not a bad decision. There have been some

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00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: great bullpens that are built almost entirely on power arms

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00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: that work that way. But like factoring everything together, Simber

1101
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: is the complimentary guy, and that's why he is in

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00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: my roster prediction that I put out on yesterday on Sunday,

1103
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: But that that was just for me personally, and I

1104
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: told you front, I'm gonna stick with it that you're

1105
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: gonna have ultimate needle power. If you're not convinced, you

1106
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: can stick with Curtis. But that's my case for Simber.

1107
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: I think this is kind of a toss up, so

1108
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to necessarily veto you. You know, I

1109
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: think that either guy could get the job. And this

1110
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: is kind of where Mattingly's style comes into play, right

1111
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: with when it comes to the bullpen. He likes skys

1112
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: and set roles, you know what I mean, So he

1113
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: might not value versatility the fact that Curtis can pitch

1114
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: in multiple different roles as much as he values what

1115
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: you talked about, which is giving guys different looks. So

1116
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of where that old fashion. You know,

1117
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: Donnie has talked a lot more about analytics over the

1118
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: past few years, but he's still don Mattingly. He's still

1119
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: Donnie Baseball, you know what I mean. He's still an

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00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: old fashioned manager in the way that he sets his

1121
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: bullpen up to just kind of you know, he's not

1122
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: going to bring in his closer in the eighth inning

1123
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: because you know he's facing three, four, five, He's going

1124
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 2: to bring in his closer in the ninth inning. That's

1125
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: just the way don does things, you know. So I

1126
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: think you might be right in that they value the

1127
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: look over the versatility. Maybe in a different pen like

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Speaker 2: the one that John Curtis just came from the Reds

1129
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: Sorry the race, you know, they would value versatility because

1130
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: they think more analytically about their bullpen. But it's a

1131
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 2: toss up. You know, it's gonna it could go either way.

1132
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised with either of these guys making

1133
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: the roster. How this bullpen shakes out, it's getting pretty

1134
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: interesting because you know, they have a lot more arms

1135
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: than I think we thought and that's why I said

1136
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: the bullpen is going to be better than we give

1137
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: it credit for it because they have a lot of

1138
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: good arms. They had a lot of arms that looked

1139
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: really good in spring training, and they're running out of spots.

1140
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 2: And when you're running out of spots in the bullpen,

1141
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: you're not doing bad. So I think the Marlins have

1142
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: a good problem on their hand. Of it's kind of

1143
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: like the outfield in the future. They just have too

1144
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: many guys and they just have to figure out which

1145
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: guys are gonna be the right combination. And the truth

1146
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: is just just the way you know, with the rotation,

1147
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: they're gonna need Castano, they're gonna need Nither, They're gonna

1148
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: need this, that and the other. They're gonna need Curtis,

1149
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna need Simber, they're gonna need Debt either. They're

1150
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: gonna need Pop, they're gonna need Bender, They're gonna need

1151
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: everybody in the in the pen because it's just going

1152
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: to It's just howadays in Major League Baseball, right one

1153
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two game season, especially in a COVID year,

1154
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: injuries have been COVID will probably happen this year. You've

1155
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: got to be prepared for it, so they have a

1156
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: good you know, they have good depth to the point

1157
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: where when they need guys, they can bring them up.

1158
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: But we're going to see all these guys. We're definitely

1159
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: going to see Bender at some point. Mish mentioned that

1160
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: when he tweeted about it. But I think to start

1161
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: the year, it's it's a toss up between Curtis and Simberly.

1162
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 2: From my style, I would lead with Curtis, but I

1163
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: can see the Marlins taking Simber because, like you said,

1164
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: they want to give guys a different look and and

1165
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: and you know that is certainly a look that you

1166
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: don't see very often, the way he pitches, right.

1167
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's really it's really complicated, just because I mean,

1168
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: to top all this off, I mean, I think it

1169
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: just deserves to be mentioning that they've been so fortunate

1170
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: this spring with like health, with no mad your injuries,

1171
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: with the exception of Edward Cabrera and Edward Carbrera is

1172
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: the guy that we also want to see this season.

1173
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: We expect to see this season that he could be

1174
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: as good as anybody else. He has a nerve inflammation

1175
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: in his arm and isn't even throwing yet, so he's

1176
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: a little while away. But they're going to need a

1177
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of starters over the course of the season because

1178
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: even the great ones at the top of this rotation,

1179
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: really outside of Sandy and Pablo, everybody else is going

1180
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: to have their endings watched very carefully, and at some

1181
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: point they're not They're not going to be pitching probably

1182
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: even thirty starts in a year. There's there's going to

1183
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: become a point where they pump the brakes on it

1184
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: because ultimately, like the bigger objective for this team is

1185
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty two and beyond that, they're not going

1186
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: to take any crazy risks during the season with individual players,

1187
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: especially those guys that are under long term control and

1188
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: have even so much more upside to tap into other teams.

1189
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: This Uh, their decisions are a lot easier because some

1190
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: of them have had significant injuries to guys that already

1191
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: front runners for major league jobs. And we'll see if

1192
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: the Marlin do anything really sneaky here, if they place

1193
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: these guys on the il with you know, phantom injuries.

1194
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that has happened in previous years. Honestly,

1195
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: I thought they might do that with someone like Zach

1196
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Pop at various points in the spring because he's coming

1197
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: off Tommy John Even though he's healthy, even though he

1198
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: looks great, he's inexperienced. And if you don't feel as

1199
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: one of the best guys to start the season, then

1200
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: you're allowed to put him on the injured list and

1201
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of ease him in as the season goes on.

1202
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: And they didn't do that, So I give them some

1203
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: credit for that, really believing in him, But that's kind

1204
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: of that someone creates this big complication with everybody else

1205
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: because of his limitations. So far, though, I mean, from

1206
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: what we've seen, seems that they're doing the best they

1207
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: can with these decisions. Nothing so far that I disagree with.

1208
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: I think. I just say that, like from watching you know,

1209
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: this is like the first spring training right that I've

1210
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: really been like covering a team and really locked into

1211
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: how they make their decisions, what goes into the decision

1212
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: making process, how much it changes day to day, and

1213
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: that's intense. Like spring training, it's so much more difficult

1214
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: than you know, I ever imagined it to be, right,

1215
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: I thought you just kind of show up, you get

1216
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: ready for the season, you get your twenty five guys

1217
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: in order, and you just kind of roll into the season, right,

1218
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: That's not really how it works. Guys performed, The Marlins

1219
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: had a lot of guys performed this spring. They had

1220
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: a lot of bullpen arms show up and pitch really well.

1221
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: And so it's making the decision really difficult. And Donnie,

1222
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, he talked about they have difficult decisions they

1223
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: have to make. They have to sit down, look at it,

1224
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: evaluate the full body of work, evaluate the spring, evaluate

1225
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: the stuff that these guys are working with, and kind

1226
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: of figure it all out. And they've got some really

1227
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 2: tough decisions on their hands. And maybe some teams, you know,

1228
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: for some teams, you know, bigger rot you know, the

1229
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: bigger teams where they have more established rosters, the Yankees

1230
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers and the Cubs of the world, maybe

1231
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 2: it's a little easier. But for the Marlins, where you're

1232
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: trying to feel the competitive team, but you're also trying

1233
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: to develop a lot of your young core at the

1234
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: same time, these decisions become a lot tougher because it's like,

1235
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: you want to win ball games, but you also want

1236
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: to get guys. Look, Donnie said, they're not they're done

1237
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: with giving guys opportunities they want to win ball games,

1238
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: They're going to feel the team that gives them the

1239
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 2: best opportunity to win games. And so I think when

1240
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: you you know, come opening Day, come April first, come Thursday,

1241
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: you're going to see the twenty six guys that give

1242
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: the Marlins the best chance to win eighty eighty five

1243
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: seventy five eighty games this year.

1244
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: I would say it will take so many over the

1245
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: course of the year to figure this out. Last year

1246
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: they use sixty one players. Hopefully not that many.

1247
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: It's going to be right, It's not going to be

1248
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: that because you know, you're not going to have to

1249
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: build an entirely new roster because of a COVID outbreak

1250
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: hopefully knock on wood. But you know, they've stayed healthy

1251
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: this spring, and Donnie said they were very lucky. He

1252
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: keept telling us to knock on wood every day about

1253
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: injuries and we should just keep doing that because injuries

1254
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: are going to happen. And so, yeah, they're going to

1255
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: need everybody. You know, they might need guys that we

1256
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: haven't talked about today. You know, they're going to be

1257
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: some guys in Triple A that they might need. Maybe

1258
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: they need a Bracs and Garrett type. Maybe they need

1259
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: Edward Cabrera. Towards the end of the year, Eddie's going

1260
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting with him because he's going to

1261
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: have to start throwing. Then he's gonna have to get healthy.

1262
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: Then he's gonna have to get built up and show

1263
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: them what they want to see from him, that he's

1264
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: developing enough right to pitch in the Big Leaks this year?

1265
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: Does Max Meyer making appearance in the Big Leaks this year?

1266
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: It's all very There's a lot of factors that the

1267
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Marlins have right now that go into their roster, but

1268
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: they're going to put at the end of the day,

1269
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: they're going to put out the twenty six guys. They

1270
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: give them the best chance to win.

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate everybody wherever you are listening to us

1272
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: now that we're on more and more platforms with this podcast,

1273
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: we thank everybody for listening. Is breaking down this roster

1274
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: not just for opening day. Hopefully this gives you a

1275
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: better idea of what they're going to do managing all

1276
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: these players as the long season goes on. So you

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Speaker 1: can find these wherever you get your podcasts on fish drives,

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Speaker 1: you can find this one on YouTube assuming I uploaded

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Speaker 1: correctly with no disasters, and me and Ethan bataskularly here

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Speaker 1: throughout this crazy season, one that we think could go

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Speaker 1: a lot better than the experts think, depending on luck

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Speaker 1: and but depending on also how all these pieces fit together.

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Speaker 1: At least at the start of the year, they seem

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Speaker 1: to have a pretty good feel as to how to

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Speaker 1: maximize the talent and make the whole better than the

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Speaker 1: some of their parts. So we're excited to see this

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Speaker 1: play out just a couple of days away from opening day,

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Speaker 1: and I mean even once it gets started, it just

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Speaker 1: gets crazier from there. So stick with us with plenty

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Speaker 1: of coverage for you of the Marlins, and as always,

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Speaker 1: go fish