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Speaker 1: What do you think is tougher keeping an NFL dynasty

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Speaker 1: together for twenty years or keeping a.

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Speaker 2: Rock band together. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 2: They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission

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Speaker 2: to find the greatest game of all time. You know.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are covering Super Bowl twenty five

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Speaker 1: aka Wide Right Game between the Buffalo Bills and the

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Speaker 1: New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 3: This is a redo, but you'll hear why, and it's

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Speaker 3: worth it.

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Speaker 1: And we're doing it with the rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer himself, absolute legend John Bond.

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Speaker 4: Joke. Wow, the house pretty good.

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Speaker 1: And we are talking becoming friends. I know it sounds weird.

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Speaker 1: Friends with Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: A few people know that he was a closet drummer.

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Speaker 2: Bill knows how to play the drums well enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he came on the road with us. So we

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Speaker 4: took him to Paris, and we took him to Italy

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Speaker 4: and we took him, you know, all around with us,

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Speaker 4: and he was just on the plane.

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Speaker 2: What it's like being an absolute rock legend star his

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Speaker 2: whole life.

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Speaker 1: We always like to talk when we have an athlete

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Speaker 1: on here. Locker room stories. Yeah, any good tour story.

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Speaker 1: You think I'm telling you you're out of here.

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Speaker 4: Good mind.

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Speaker 2: And then we wrap it up by throwing the first

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Speaker 2: pitch at Fenway. We talk about that. Yeah, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, Oh, we got a story. Let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's go, going to Hampton's. Games of Name is a

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Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, Tampa Stadium, Tampa, Florida.

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Speaker 4: The Giants are living on a prayer as the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl comes down to one forty seven yard field goal.

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Speaker 2: But Buffalo is shot through the heart and Norwood is

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Speaker 2: wanted dead or alive.

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Speaker 4: No, this is wide right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names Today, we are looking at

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Speaker 1: super Bowl twenty five Giants first.

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Speaker 2: The Bills, the wide Right game.

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Speaker 1: With John bond Jovi Like, I think I like to

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Speaker 1: call you a friend, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And me I like to see you know, I like

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Speaker 4: to think you've been to this house before.

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Speaker 2: I've been to this house.

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Speaker 1: When we talked a bunch about recovery, and that's when

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Speaker 1: I got a real perspective of how you treat your work.

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Speaker 1: That's when I could tell you were workaholic. I didn't

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Speaker 1: you know everyone sees, you know, rock Star, the longevity.

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Speaker 2: But when you started talking to me, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Still playing at the time, about recovery, how do you recover?

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Speaker 1: And you were so interested on anything you could possibly

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Speaker 1: I was like that, this dude's a bad motherfuler.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had just found yoga. I remember you were injured.

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Speaker 4: You're on the sidelines. I remember very well at camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we really spent a lot of time talking about that

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Speaker 4: and you had just found yoga, and yeah, I've gone

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Speaker 4: deep on that because you know, I think like a player,

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Speaker 4: and it has to be I always use Tommy as

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Speaker 4: the example. If you ain't Tom Brady, that's it. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm out without a doubt, you know.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I sort of live by.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you, I mean I got I got a

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Speaker 1: and drink I think Hampton.

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Speaker 2: Water at your son's company, and uh, you know, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: But uh, today we're looking at Super Bowl twenty five

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Speaker 1: good Giants versus the Bills. In one sentence, why did

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Speaker 4: Oh? My god? For so many reasons, this was my

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Speaker 4: for my children, I e. Jesse and what became Hampton Water.

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Speaker 4: My thirty five year, almost forty year relationship with Belichick

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Speaker 4: all stems from the New York Football Giants. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: a punter by the name of Sean Landetta.

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Speaker 2: I know Sean Leddetta.

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Speaker 4: You do, don't you? I do, because I.

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Speaker 2: Remember he spoke to us once.

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Speaker 1: I think I did a Pop Warner banquet after like

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Speaker 2: I mean they had guy's literally at everything.

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Speaker 4: And he's a punter, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 4: No exactly, but on this faithful film night in New

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight, the idea of anybody going to a

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Speaker 4: Bill says yes. So this was unheard of. Mister Mara

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people yell at you. That's a sign of affection. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know. It's like people think that Boston accent is

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Speaker 4: It's a term of endearment.

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Speaker 1: I always explain that to people when when people ask

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I mean it's unique to us, right Boston,

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Speaker 2: It is. No, this's the greatest game of all time.

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Speaker 4: Well for me, for a number of reasons, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm there on the sidelines, this whole tale

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Speaker 4: So I was allowed obviously to come in the sidelines

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Speaker 4: Then I got allowed to come to away games, and

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Speaker 4: Giants were supposed to lose that playoff game.

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Speaker 2: They were Roger Craig fumbled the Dame ball.

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Speaker 4: The oh, I wasn't a Letter Marshall who tackled Montana

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Speaker 4: with the team. This is unbelievably astounding. But I had

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Speaker 4: to earn the respect because at that time, there was

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Speaker 4: a guy named EMC Hammer. Oh yeah right, and EMC

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Speaker 4: Hammer Yeah I love mc hammer. Right, But he went

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Speaker 4: the head coach at the time, me, I was carrying

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Speaker 4: a camera bag, my hair stuffed up in a hat,

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Speaker 4: And that's what allowed me getting more and more and

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Speaker 4: more access. Now it's Super Bowl and we're in Tampa.

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Speaker 4: Phil is hurt. It is the first Iraq War. I'm

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Speaker 4: as under armor or Nike compression, where none of this

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Speaker 4: wearing Bonjovi shirts. Let's say we believe her, we gotta

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Speaker 4: believe on them with the super Bowl logo on one

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Speaker 4: That's how like I'm in at this point. So I'm

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Speaker 4: the bench. Whatever government agency they said. I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 1: Bill knows how to play the drums well enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: was a great college football player who could have been

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Speaker 4: No, No, okay, Bob Bender, Bob Bender, got it. BB.

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Speaker 3: Bob second, Bob Bender give him his stab.

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Speaker 6: Great pol. It looks like you. Let me do some

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Speaker 4: Did he make it to the pros? Or he blew

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Speaker 7: And then I think, I think Nick Saban knew Jack

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Speaker 4: It's all intertwined because I remember when Saban was with Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, you know, when you go to that school,

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Speaker 4: But so Belichick could now feel at home. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: For those who don't believe those stories of that warm,

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Speaker 4: We walked back to the hotel. It wasn't as big

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Speaker 4: We had a couple of those big sugary hurricane drinks.

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Speaker 4: There was a picture on his desk until he left

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Speaker 2: Wow, who says he's not that fun?

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Speaker 4: He was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Who says he's not fun to me? So it really wasn't.

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Speaker 2: The secret sauce is not.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that I wanted just the world to

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Speaker 1: always tell explained to people that he's not usually football

436
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: coaches or old football players. He's like a type of

437
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: person that should be a military war general, yeah, right,

438
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: or some kind of leader in a like a way

439
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: bigger society type thing that became a football coach.

440
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: I understand that you're right. He should have led armies

441
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: or could have led army he could have, yeah, or navies,

442
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 4: as I think he loves a navy.

443
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: He's a big navy.

444
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: I know that. I know that. Yeah, I think that

445
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 4: that's a very good point too.

446
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: You know, I saw that you were at the Brady event.

447
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: How fun was that?

448
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's pretty cool.

449
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: Huh.

450
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: We witnessed something that is once in a lifetime. Because

451
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 4: even if those who aren't on our side of the

452
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 4: ledger that said, well, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, this one

453
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: that one, and I understand some day, Patrick Mahomes, there

454
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 4: was only one Tommy. Yeah, and that day in a

455
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: stadium full of people with amazing stories, surrounded by his friends,

456
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: his family, his former players, everybody there to celebrate something

457
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 4: that you all did together and that we got to witness,

458
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: and he's just still. And I get where he gets

459
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 4: it from, you know, having met his mom and dad

460
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 4: so many times, and his sisters and even his kids.

461
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: That's all genuine, very genuine. That's tom He's one of

462
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: the most genuine people. That's what I always tell people.

463
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, because everyone asked me, like, what Brady, Like,

464
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: what are you like? I go, you could put Brady

465
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: in a room people that hate him. By the time

466
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: they leave that room, they're gonna be like, damn, he's

467
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: fucking nicer than I thought. Oh yeah, I gotta like him. Yeah,

468
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, because he's a genuine looks you in his

469
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: eyes when.

470
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 4: He speaks, spends real time with him.

471
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: He spends real time with you, like and he's curious, curious,

472
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: he wants to know about other things.

473
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 4: It's not all about.

474
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: Him, And and he works and he never puts himself

475
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: higher than the team.

476
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 4: That was the most amazing you know leadership skill and

477
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: anybody could have, is that he always gave so that

478
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 4: the collective we would win.

479
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: Without a great life. Lesson how he handles himself in

480
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: the media. I mean there you watch there was We

481
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: all know about the friction that there was for a

482
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: long no one knew about that friction publicly, you know,

483
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's a testament of a leader keeping you know,

484
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: like the so called wife and husband talk at home.

485
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

486
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: And that's what he did.

487
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: And if he did that, if you're the fifty third

488
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: guy on the team, you have to do that. So

489
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: he leads by example, not just by his performance and

490
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: his preparation.

491
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: You know.

492
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: It was a blessing for me to get to that,

493
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: I bet, you know, to be in that.

494
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: I learned so much from him just on watching him

495
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: prepare or watching him get ready for work, or watching

496
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: him how he took care of his body, or watching

497
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: him you know, before I had kids be a father,

498
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: watching him be able to compartmentalize all these different facets

499
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: of life, you know, it was unbelievable.

500
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: You know, I've said publicly, I'm privately being because I

501
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: think he's forty six. Now it could be forty eight,

502
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: forty eight, So he's fourteen fifteen years younger than I am.

503
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: And I said, but I look up to him because

504
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: of all those things, and it's really a testament to

505
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: who and what he is and therefore what his parents were. Yeah,

506
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: you know, so that day was special. I'm really really

507
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: happy that I came up for it. I was, of

508
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: course meant to sing, but because of the surgery, I

509
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 4: just wasn't up for it. Yeah, and there was no

510
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 4: way I was going to be less than great. So

511
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 4: it's like it's killing me, but I can't.

512
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: Well'd you be in? There? Was just good enough?

513
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 4: It was good. It was good for me. I love

514
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: We loved it.

515
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: We always, I mean, like like John said, he would

516
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: be at our walkthroughs day before games, but like John

517
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: also said, he never brought an attention to himself when

518
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: he was at our functions or our practices because he understood,

519
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: like that we're learning right now that hey, I got

520
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: to know when I'm not supposed to be there. And

521
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: that's why he had the leash that he had with

522
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: our organization. Oh yeah, we'll be right back after this

523
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: quick break. Can you tell us about your friendship with RKK.

524
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Did is starting it started?

525
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: I think it started that day in ninety sixty six.

526
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: He has a picture of the two of us on

527
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: the field that net Saturday, no one else is in

528
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 4: the stadium in his office that he hangs. And I

529
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: still have that T shirt which happened to believe it

530
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: or not, be Doug Fluties under uniform T shirt. You

531
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: guys just wear like real, just shitty cotton T shirt.

532
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: That fuck. They were just miserable. But anyhow, RKK and

533
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 4: I met in Ernest. There I opened Jillette, I think

534
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 4: I was the first concert there. And then because of

535
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: Bill and allowing me to come to practice from the

536
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: time till that was built, you know, I slowly but

537
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 4: surely befriended him, and then we got closer as I

538
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: bought the Arena team. So by two thousand three and

539
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: then two thousand and eight, by then I wanted to

540
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: try to, you know, save up enough Nichols to make

541
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: a play to get into the big Boy League. And

542
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: then and then after that we just got closer and

543
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: closer to the point where I look at him like

544
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: a big brother now or almost a father figure, because

545
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 4: he's he's he's with me and my family, and I'm

546
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 4: with him and his family a lot. He's here in

547
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: his home a lot and her home in Palm Beach

548
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 4: a lot. But we love that and I love knowing

549
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: his boys. And I knew missus Craft. I knew her

550
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: rather well, and so you know, I've been very close

551
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: to him for a long time. I really look up

552
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: to him. And from a sports ownership viewpoint, one in

553
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: one and one was what made that team. You know,

554
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 4: from my perspective and watching others, he didn't want to

555
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: be on the field. He knew where to draw the line.

556
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: He didn't want to play call, he didn't want to coach,

557
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: he didn't want to be the GM. He trusted that

558
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 4: BB was going to be that guy. And he could

559
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: be that whatever you want to call him, big brother

560
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: or father to Tommy. He could be, you know, the

561
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 4: business voice for Bill. If you think about how much

562
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: how many coaches ran off and wrote books after their

563
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: first Super Bowl and were doing shaving cream commercials and

564
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: car commercials and distracted from the team. Yeah, mister Kraft,

565
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: if you think about it and look back, made sure

566
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 4: that Bill was taken care of so that he could

567
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 4: only really you know, could focus on you guys winning

568
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: another Super Bowl yep, you know, and all of those

569
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: kinds of things that made one in one and one

570
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 4: the Patriots. It really was the Patriot.

571
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: Without a doubt.

572
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said. They're the one

573
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: to one one. Yeah, I mean it's a party to

574
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: It takes a team to function, and you know, that's

575
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: probably one of the greatest teams of all time when

576
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: you have head, coach, owner, quarterback, and that's what you

577
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: need to win in this league. Now would you learn

578
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: from RKK as an owner when you jumped up into

579
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: the owner world.

580
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: Not all thirty two Kings, as I refer to them,

581
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 4: are all best friends. That a surprise, you, Yeah, competitive

582
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 4: When I was one of the owners of a business

583
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: that they had called on location the NFL had and

584
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: I realized that, you know, the thirty two Kings, they've

585
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: got big egos, you know, and it's not not easy.

586
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: So you have to Okay, you play to win, but

587
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 4: you're playing that well, one of one thirty second has

588
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: got to be looking out for the thirty second thirty second.

589
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: You know, you're all one, right, So that was interesting

590
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: to me. But I love the way when I would

591
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: walk through the hallways with him. He didn't care if

592
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: you were the intern. He wanted to know your name.

593
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: He cared about everybody that was, you know, working in

594
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: the venue. He knew all about that. And he talked

595
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: to everybody like, you're representing my family, and he meant that.

596
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: He said that too. He would say that to you.

597
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: You're representing my family, but he meant it. He did,

598
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 4: you know. I mean so, there were so many life

599
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: lessons that I learned from him, and I consider him

600
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: a very worldly asset to mankind. If you think about

601
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: what he's done now with the stand Up to Hate campaign,

602
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: and he was ahead of that well before October seventh.

603
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: His foundations work, you know, giving putin a ring and

604
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: not starting a world war.

605
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: We want to make that a movie.

606
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: You know, all his adventures and also his stamina, his

607
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: his lust for life. I think, honestly, when i'm his age,

608
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go hang out with jay z

609
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 4: and and Meek, I mean and energy and be curious

610
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: about out. You know, Hey, Meek, tell me about your world,

611
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: tell me about your music, tell me about the incarceration,

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: Tell me about the streets of Philadelphia. You know, all

613
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff. He's very legitimately curious as

614
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: he is about what's happening with the anti Semitism and

615
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: being cutting edge on that, whether it's you know, being

616
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: the face of the NFL to make their business better

617
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: for all of them. I just admire the hell out

618
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: of them, and I really am thrilled to call in

619
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: my friend.

620
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.

621
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of putin, how many how many rings did you get?

622
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: I do have a few, but I feel like it

623
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: comes I'm there, the team's bitch, you're part of it. Bro. Yeah,

624
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: I love those rings more than any anybody, but I

625
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: can't wear them.

626
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: I can't even wear.

627
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: I'm honored to have him, Believe me, I'm honored to

628
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: have them. In fact, if you walk up the stairs

629
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: that you'll see Tommy's jersey hanging on the wall in

630
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: a grounk jersey that they signed to the kids over

631
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: the years. Or Dorothy got me something that is so special.

632
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: BB gave me his hoodie after beating the Jets for

633
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: his work. I think it was this two hundred and

634
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: fiftieth win at the time, which we both just love

635
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: the idea. Yeah, and it was like a Christmas present

636
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: from my wife that we just go like that's one

637
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: of one. That's that's you wear it. No, it's in

638
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: a frame A just making sure that you know.

639
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: You know you got the you know, no, we got

640
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: here in.

641
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: One of the what the only kind of advantages I

642
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 4: would ever take at when when I'd come up and say,

643
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: bearsh I have to go in the equipment room and

644
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: I would just raid the room. We have more pat

645
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: swag here. I went up this year and the new

646
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: guys are in and they said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you

647
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: could take whatever you want. I said, take that one

648
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: T shirt and they were like, no, you could take

649
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: whatever you want. It's okay. I go, yeah, I know

650
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: I've been coming here for twenty five years. I have

651
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: more pat swag. I don't need any more pet swag.

652
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 4: Everything I own has passed or Notre Dame. That's it.

653
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: Now. How many and how many Patriots games have you

654
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: gone to?

655
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: It?

656
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: And is it more than Giants games?

657
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily that I've gone to as many, but

658
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: I can tell you because I oftentimes, you know, I'll

659
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: be on the road or i'm home, or i'm some

660
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to get at in the

661
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: way too often, so I come to two to three

662
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: a year. I went to camp every year until COVID

663
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: from the time that you let open, so that that

664
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: was my thing, was to go to camp. And then

665
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: I go to two or three games, and I don't

666
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: want to get in the way. But I've gone to London,

667
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 4: you know, I've gone to you know, the kookie ones,

668
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: you know the crazy way of you know, Thanksgiving or

669
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: you know the kookie stuff. I made a point of

670
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 4: doing that. For some reason. I couldn't go to Germany

671
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: two years ago, and I was meant to go with them.

672
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: But I liked doing.

673
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: Those things too, the exotic games.

674
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there there would be even more fun.

675
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

676
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: You know. There were several Super Bowls I didn't go to,

677
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: just to not get the way. You know. I just said, do.

678
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 2: You not go to the Indianapolis one in Indy?

679
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: No?

680
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: We lost that game, Thanks Sean.

681
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: You went to a Thanksgiving game. We went the butt

682
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: fumball game. It was against the Jets Thursday night, Thanksgiving.

683
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: Sanchez, Yeah, no, I remember. I don't know if I

684
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: was at that.

685
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: It's Thanksgiving.

686
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 4: I maybe I got it wrong and I just played

687
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: one of the Thanksgiving days. It wasn't us against Detroit?

688
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: We that? Yeah?

689
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I did that. I did that. I did that.

690
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 4: I played that. No.

691
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think is tougher keeping an NFL

692
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: dynasty together for twenty years or keeping a rock band

693
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: together for a dynasty?

694
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: The dynasty, of course, the dynasty? Who you know, how

695
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: do you get a guy in bands and stuff? A

696
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: lot of egos on the field too, and then ultimately,

697
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 4: but I find interesting is you have a different band

698
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: every year. You know, you're always gonna have different members

699
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: in the band every year. If you're lucky in a

700
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: real band, you can keep it together for at least

701
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: the core for the entire time, much like I guess

702
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 4: the Patriots did you know? But no, it's it's it's

703
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: virtually got to be impossible to keep a dynasty for

704
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: twenty some years. Now, maybe Patrick's got something going out

705
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: there if Andy stays healthy.

706
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: I think about that too.

707
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be. I mean, he's a special guy,

708
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: he is.

709
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: And he's a really he's got that same kind of

710
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: thing about himself with Tom. He doesn't make himself bigger.

711
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: Than the team.

712
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: No, I'm happy to hear.

713
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: That, you know, And you could see that through how

714
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: he posts on social through how he handles media.

715
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: I'm happy to hear it, you know.

716
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: He I remember seeing him in the Philadelphia. Remember we

717
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: played Philly, I tore my Aco and he hadn't even

718
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: started yet. He was he was backing up Alex Smith

719
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: that year, sure, poor Alex Smith. And we were at

720
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: a party for because I didn't play. I went to

721
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: like this super Bowl party at Minnesota, and he was

722
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: just sitting there and he was just a cool, like

723
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: country bumpkin kid, nice, you know, and you could just

724
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: tell he had that he knew who.

725
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: He was, but he was the backup.

726
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: He's back I didn't. Yeah, I didn't even met him.

727
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: Then I realized, no, I didn't know who he was,

728
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: right right, right right. I was like, who's this kid?

729
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: Right, right right?

730
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: But then we had cross friends because Cliff Kingsbury and

731
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I got a close relationship with a lot of Texas

732
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: tech guys. He went to Tech, so and then we

733
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: just started talking. Cliff was there and it's really cool

734
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: to see the success that he's having.

735
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: Now.

736
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: This is a segment where we get back in to

737
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: where the game took place, and on this game, it

738
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: took place January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, and we

739
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: go over pop culture stuff and we just kind of

740
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: looked what was going on.

741
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: Number one movie was Home Alone.

742
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Classic classic, classic number one song the first time by Surface.

743
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: Who's that was that?

744
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 6: I don't really know that one very well, do you know?

745
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: I don't know that's know that one either.

746
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Also around this time, the birds Ike and Tina Turner,

747
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Wilson Picking and Hallo consducted to the Hall of Fame

748
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: mic Cool. When I was a kid, we won a

749
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: super Bowl in nineteen ninety eight Bowl Huh Pop Warner

750
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: super Pop owner, super Bowl Pop Warner super Bowl, went

751
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: and flew out to Florida, did you Yeah? And uh

752
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: it's when we came home. We made like this little

753
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: like picture highlight thing and my dad loved Tina Turner

754
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: simply the best And that was like the theme of.

755
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: The right are you simply Yeah? Yeah?

756
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's a great song, great songs, a great song.

757
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Bon Jovi's Miracle was on charts. You got a golden

758
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: globe for Blades of Glory and Young Guns too.

759
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: How was that you still? I remember you were weren't

760
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: you in a couple of military movies too.

761
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 4: I did a twelve movies. Yeah, huh. When I went

762
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 4: to this set of Young Guns, Amelio Stvs, who I

763
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 4: had met the year prior, wanted to use wanted Dead

764
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 4: or Alive, and I loved Young Guns the first one

765
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: and invited me out to meet him, and I'd said,

766
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: let me write you something unique to the film, give

767
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 4: me the script, and I thought to myself, oh my god,

768
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: there's all the lyrics to all the songs. I found

769
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 4: this so easy but exciting because it was a different

770
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: way to do the same thing. You know. I was like,

771
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: write a song, but write it for a movie. I went,

772
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: I like this, So I write an entire album and

773
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 4: win's the Globe. I'm nominated for an Oscar Sondheim, you know,

774
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: the great Stephen Sondheim won the Oscar. But Miracle was

775
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 4: on that album that was a top ten single. So

776
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: I had hit songs for the soundtrack, which led me

777
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: then to go home and again probably not like unlike

778
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: meeting Schornlandetta and the China Club. I went to this

779
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: movie said I write them a song, and I went,

780
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 4: I should take acting lessons. This looks fun because these

781
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 4: guys who were playing cowboys and learning to ride a

782
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: horse and shoot a gun. Next movie they're in they

783
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 4: were driving race cars. I went, these are cool hobbies.

784
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: They're learning while they're doing their craft. We don't do

785
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 4: fuck all to sing play sing play, And from twenty

786
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: to thirty that's what I did, and I was at

787
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: the top of my game. But burnout can happen when

788
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: you're just on a treadmill of that doing it, even

789
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: at that high level. I decided to take acting lessons

790
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: and it led me into a bunch of movies. It

791
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: gave you a great sense of humility because you were

792
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: starting over again and something in the arts, and you

793
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: were at the top of your game at your day job.

794
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: So that was very, very very helpful for us to

795
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: continue to grow in the nineties because I could go

796
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: back to the band and go, let me tell you

797
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 4: about humility. We're not that all being powerful because we

798
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: write these hit songs. You wait in the waiting room

799
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: for an hour and a half just to get an

800
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: audition to be told you suck.

801
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: I just didn't my first audition. I felt that it's terrible.

802
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: Bro I thought you had it. I thought you had it.

803
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to do a sex scene with another guy

804
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: on the zoom. It's almost lifelike for Jovi in ninety one.

805
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: When you you know, when you're doing that, you're sitting there,

806
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: you're auditioning.

807
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: They guy they want to see when you're doing it

808
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: to a guy, Yeah and a zoom no less yeah.

809
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: Uh ninety one, what you guys are at the top?

810
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 4: We were, you know at Ronippery Explodes. It's the biggest

811
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: record of the year. It's you know, wanted it or alive.

812
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: You're living on a prayer. You can have a bad name.

813
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: New Jersey comes out, It's got five top ten singles

814
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: on it. Young Guns comes out, It's got all these

815
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: movies and you know, awards and more hit singles on it.

816
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: We were invincible, Yeah, and we were really burned out.

817
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: We were exhausted mentally and physically exhausted. Yeah.

818
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: I can understand that because it felt like I'd always

819
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: have the Super Bowl saddies after when you're at the O,

820
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: did you the highs?

821
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: Wow?

822
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: Because as soon as you were done with the Super

823
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: Bowl and the parade and your little tour of doing

824
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: the shows and this and that, you realize you got

825
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: to reinvent yourself and do it again, and it's going

826
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: to be ten times harder than next year. Well, so,

827
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: like I'd always get sad after a Super Bowl because

828
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: you hit it. Yeah, and then afterwards you're like, now

829
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: we got to go do it again. Yeah, And it's

830
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: so hard to even get.

831
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: To that specific once, you know what I mean.

832
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always like to talk when we have an

833
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: athlete on here, locker room stories.

834
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's some tour story? We got, any good tour story?

835
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: If I were to ever write a biography, would be

836
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: called the best time I never had. Because you think

837
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm telling you you're out of your fucking mind, But

838
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: I can. I can jokingly say, yeah, I used to

839
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 4: be me.

840
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Hey, those good good stories. All right, Jackie, Let's break

841
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: down these Buffalo Bills.

842
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: Again of this game.

843
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 7: These Bills thirteen and three, number one scoring offense in

844
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 7: the NFL, high flying coach by Marv Levy, Ted Marchibroda,

845
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 7: the man it gave Bill Belichick his first job NFL

846
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 7: the OC. That's right, wal Corey was the d C

847
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 7: Bruce Smith balled out this year Defensive Player of the Year,

848
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 7: bru Smith.

849
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, nineteen sacks uh.

850
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 7: And yeah, it's also at a top ten defense, high

851
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 7: flying offense and that k gun was really the story

852
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 7: of this team.

853
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: Was they were they were favored. Weren't they the.

854
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 7: Favored by seven points? And shout out to Jim Kelly, Thurman,

855
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 7: Thomas andre Red.

856
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: They had they had some Hall of fame.

857
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 4: He should be andres In there isn't he's in the hall?

858
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeh.

859
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: Jim Kelly of course, But it was Bruce Smith was

860
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: the talk on the street. He's the new l T.

861
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: He's the new LT to which I definitely have the

862
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 4: footage here. It was given to me of me saying

863
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: on some news program, but he's the new LT. What

864
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 4: do you Why do you need new? We've got the

865
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: real thing, right you know? Of course, as we all know,

866
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: it's Belichick's favorite player.

867
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: His son he was. We still hear about.

868
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: I still see him blowing up a te guard pool

869
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: thing and I mean it's crazy love them now. You

870
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: you got into it a little when you said you

871
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: almost bought the Buffalo Bills.

872
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you like that team? Or did you when

873
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: you when you were looking into buying it?

874
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: What did did you like?

875
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: Kind of live that like Buffalo life? Did you go

876
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: and see the city? How did that?

877
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: Also was very and I'm gonna be careful what I say,

878
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: because no, I wasn't a Buffalo Bill fan, No, no, No.

879
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: It was an opportunity with a great organization that we had.

880
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: I had two other partners, and they own every other

881
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: team in Toronto, so they were very busy being the

882
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 4: face of the baseball, basketball, hockey and everything else in Toronto.

883
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: So I was actually going to be the managing partner

884
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: and had enough money to be the managing partner. So

885
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: this was this was carefully orchestrated. And what I love

886
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: about Western New York is my mom and her family

887
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: were brought up in western Pennsylvania. The similarity of the

888
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 4: working class background that I completely understood the idea that

889
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: this was a very good football team that you know,

890
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 4: was really closely identified with the community, and I thought

891
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: that what I was doing philanthropically would tie into that. Naturally.

892
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: I thought, as a younger guy, I really had a

893
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 4: different vision of what we could bring to the league,

894
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: and it was instant that we could bring to the

895
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: Bills even a higher level of I'm going to be

896
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 4: careful how I say it, opportunity because these guys owned

897
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: the Raptors and the maple leafs and the and the

898
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: Blue Jays, and so we immediately could have had bigger deals.

899
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: Let's just say that, you know, bigger deals. We could

900
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: have done bigger deals, naming rights deals. There was There's

901
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: no fortune five hundred companies up there. There was there

902
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: was opportunity. They needed a new stadium. We had a

903
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 4: way to do it. We knew how how we could

904
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 4: do it. When it didn't work out, and it didn't

905
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 4: work out, I have to say, and I will say,

906
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: probably for the first time ever, not because I wouldn't,

907
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: but because I hadn't had the opportunity. I think the

908
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 4: Pakoula family have done an incredible job. I really like

909
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 4: the coach, I liked the quarterback. I liked that it

910
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: got a new stadium being built finally, because that stadium

911
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: was a disrepair decade ago. I mean, it was the

912
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: oldest place left, right, wasn't it built.

913
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: In that the coliseum they were up there. It was

914
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: old old orchard.

915
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 4: You know, they're finally getting they're probably chasing them still

916
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: for it because they they didn't you know, they didn't

917
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: they needed it, But it really was. It was an opportunity,

918
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 4: and I think the Boola family obviously owning the Sabers

919
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: was a natural fit. So we didn't get the chance

920
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: to counterbid. Let's just just just leave it at that.

921
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 4: We didn't get the chance.

922
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: They probably didn't want you there because you're on the

923
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: side of out of this game for the.

924
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: Job, amongst other things, among other things.

925
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: All right, jacket, let's see what these Giants are about.

926
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 7: The heck of a Giants team thirteen and three, led

927
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 7: by Bill Parcells, O c Ron arn Hart and the

928
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 7: DC our main man, Bill Belichick. Best defense in the league,

929
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 7: allowing just thirteen points per game, and a heck of

930
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 7: a ball control offense, only turned the ball over fourteen

931
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 7: times all year. And we talked a little bit earlier

932
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 7: about this coaching staff. Incredible Al grow Tom Coughlin, Charlie Weiss,

933
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 7: Romeo Crennell, Bill, It was just a lot of guys

934
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 7: that were going to have great careers.

935
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 6: Were in that coaches room.

936
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And it was really a good team, you know,

937
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: Oj and yeah, OJ Anderson and Hastetler as a backup.

938
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: He was a badass, incredible you know, the Bavarro right,

939
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: where's Bovaro? And the yeah, great tight end, great tight end.

940
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 4: You know. So we had some receivers. We had a

941
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 4: great running back, We had a hell of a defense.

942
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: We had leadership, whether it was Phil or Thens. We

943
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 4: had a great coach. He was He was unique as

944
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 4: a talent for the New York market, which was also important.

945
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 4: You know, he was the right guy for the time.

946
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: He was the right guy for the time.

947
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: Tough guy.

948
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: He was unique at the time too. He was one

949
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: of one.

950
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Now, we'd be remiss if we didn't ask. We got

951
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: a couple LT stories. We've all heard an LT story.

952
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: How crazy was that guy to be around when he

953
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: was in his heydays prime? Probably you know, coming out

954
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: of a club right into game day.

955
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: I've heard the stories. You know, I wasn't in the club.

956
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: A China bar for him.

957
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: If he was at the China club, I would have

958
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 4: been the one trying to get him to go home.

959
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, yeah, there was there was stories

960
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: that I had heard, even you know that so and

961
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: so claims to have been with him, and now he

962
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: was on the field like x hours later. I know. Yeah,

963
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 4: I've heard the stories too.

964
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: But how was he a charming guy?

965
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 4: I've never he was very kind to me. He was

966
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 4: always very kind of me. Yeah, yeah, wherever I saw him.

967
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: Whenever I saw him, LT was LT, and he also

968
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 4: knew he was Elt. He was a handsome man. He

969
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 4: was a great personality. He knew how cool he was

970
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: on the field. I mean he was always cool. He

971
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 4: was just cool. LT was cool, Carl Banks was cool,

972
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: Leonard Marshall was cooled. I'm looking at these guys from

973
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 4: a far across the stroom and I can still remember

974
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 4: all their names. Pepper Johnson, you know that they were great. Pep, Pep,

975
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: you know who of course went on with the Pats

976
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: and the Browns and everywhere where Pepper went. So I

977
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: had relationships with a whole bunch of these guys and

978
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: it was just great. Thank God to the punter. Shout

979
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 4: out to come on, Sean Landada.

980
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: Right.

981
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: What's it like playing at Giant Stadium for you? When

982
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: it was old Giant Stadium? That had to be pretty cool.

983
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: That was a thrill of a lifetime the first time

984
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 4: we played there in eighty nine. We'd gotten big enough

985
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: to now play stadiums, and I thought, if my career

986
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 4: is over, because every athlete rock star things this is

987
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: the one, and then you know they're going to find

988
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: a new one or they're gonna find out that I

989
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: don't deserve to be here.

990
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: There's always an insecurity in that back then.

991
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: Definitely, you know, you gotta work harder. But I remember

992
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 4: taking pictures in that old Giants team, and I loved

993
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: the old Giant Stadium. And when they were tearing it down,

994
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 4: an agreement was made that Bruce would close it and

995
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 4: we would open Met Life, and so he did, and

996
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 4: he wrote Wrecking Ball, and we played four nights to

997
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: open the new one. And I was in that locker

998
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: room before the team were in it, because we literally

999
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 4: opened the building and they said you could use our

1000
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 4: dressing room as your dress room, but the band can't

1001
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 4: be in the dressing room. In the locker room. That's

1002
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: a big piece of room for one guy. You know,

1003
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: I wanted to go like just hang in the head

1004
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: coach's office. That was more than enough dressing room. But

1005
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 4: it was brand new, and we opened met Life and

1006
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 4: you know, played I don't know six seven times or since. Wow.

1007
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, now Jack, let's get to the game lead up.

1008
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: All right, this.

1009
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 7: Was best on best number one offense, number one defense.

1010
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 7: Buffalo beat Miami and the Raiders. The Giants beat Chicago

1011
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 7: and then went out to s F and beat your niners, Joel,

1012
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 7: sorry about that, and.

1013
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: Talk about I used to talk about that with Bill

1014
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: all the time, and like the lunchline or something in

1015
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: the CAF, like fucking Roger Craignan and fumbled up all

1016
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: we would ad three peet on you.

1017
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: He goes, niners are soft? You hit him?

1018
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 4: I could hear that, you know, just.

1019
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: Hit him the timing, fucking Bill, Oh my goodness.

1020
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 7: And then we would be remiss if we did not

1021
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 7: bring back up Whitney Houston's Star Spangled band and performance

1022
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 7: right before top five all time, all time, no doubt,

1023
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 7: right up there with Marvin Gaye, no doubt, the dope

1024
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 7: the All Star Game now in Houston.

1025
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 6: Oh, that was so dope.

1026
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: She was just a force. She's so beautiful and so talented.

1027
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you did you watch that? I watched that movie.

1028
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have watched it. I didn't like it.

1029
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to see that. It's sad.

1030
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 6: Do you get into the game here, real?

1031
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: Qui yea. Let's get into the game.

1032
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 4: All right.

1033
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 7: This was a battle of clash of styles really control

1034
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 7: first running gun. So to start this thing off, Uh,

1035
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 7: we had three to three in the first were trading

1036
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 7: field goals here and then uh the Giants get down

1037
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 7: twelve to three or ten to three, sorry about that.

1038
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 7: Then a safety, weird safety in the second, but right

1039
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 7: before the half, a huge drive to get back to

1040
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 7: twelve to ten cut that lead. And these drives in

1041
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 7: the first corps were just these long, long, methodical drives

1042
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 7: of ball control. I mean, you got a drive of

1043
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 7: fourteen play clock eating the cloac, eating the clock big,

1044
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 7: but it was it was looking like Buffalo in the

1045
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 7: first half, which which was bad, but.

1046
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: That that because John was in the box at that time.

1047
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 6: But that long drive right before half was huge.

1048
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

1049
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 7: Bill Parcells's credits at to really like forcing him into

1050
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 7: the locker room and turn them the tides there. Uh

1051
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 7: so it's twelve ten at the half. Then moving into

1052
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 7: the second, Uh they start There was.

1053
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: A halftime show for that guy was just gonna say

1054
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 4: the same thing. New Kids on the Block, what was it?

1055
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: It was New Kids?

1056
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: Who's your Dream? Halftime show?

1057
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: There was some great ones. Think about Prince all time. Yeah,

1058
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 4: it was raining that unbelievable Prince you two down in

1059
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: New Orleans. There was was one of.

1060
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: Mine the California thing recently was pretty cool.

1061
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was really good, really good,

1062
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: really really good. Yeah, I like that one. That was

1063
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 4: one of my favorites. That was good. Bruce of course

1064
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 4: was really good.

1065
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson really good.

1066
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: I mean Janet Jackson getting her her thing taken on

1067
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: with j T.

1068
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 6: That was all time.

1069
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: He gets like in the wrong situation all too often.

1070
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 6: Tough time.

1071
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Hampton, But New Kids I never I

1072
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 4: didn't know that trivial.

1073
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: One of my first CDs I think was New Kids

1074
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: in the Black and Asa Bass nice.

1075
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 6: That was slapping.

1076
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: We already had all the stuff, you know, and you

1077
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: had that.

1078
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, and our friend are off from coming here, mom.

1079
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 7: Speaking of super Bowl trivia, I think bon Jo is

1080
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 7: the only band to play the Super Bowl post game show.

1081
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 4: That is true. We'd never played the actual halftime show,

1082
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: and the story there was the only time that I

1083
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 4: wanted it and I didn't get it was in Dallas,

1084
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: And then when they wanted us to do New Jersey,

1085
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 4: I said, no, it's just too obvious. I don't want

1086
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 4: to do it. So we pulled out from even considering

1087
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: it at that time. But the only one I wanted

1088
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 4: was Dallas and I didn't get it. So I just

1089
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: I haven't wanted it since.

1090
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: I feel that getting into this game. Where does it?

1091
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: This defense has to rank top five all time? Yeah

1092
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: you think so about it?

1093
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 4: Wow?

1094
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1095
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I don't know if I'm that

1096
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: good at my stats. To be honest, I'd be remiss

1097
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 4: if I bullshitted my way through that. But I do

1098
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: remember we were known as a defensive squad and it

1099
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 4: was Belichick. It was Belichick's coming out party. Yeah, you know,

1100
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: all his experience led him to working under ourselves and

1101
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: the and we were known for our defense.

1102
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: Man coach Bill Super Bowl ninety six Old JBJ just over.

1103
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 4: There, Hurricanes true story. I wish I could find that picture.

1104
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 4: It was on his desk till he left the office. Man,

1105
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 4: I have it somewhere, but not in this house.

1106
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: What's it like being the Jersey kid? That's pretty much.

1107
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: You were the mascot for the team. They loved you.

1108
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: To see that wide right kick on the sideline.

1109
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 4: I wouldn't watch the jeans that had the grass dance

1110
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 4: for me being on the field when I was holding

1111
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: that Still have them dish for years and years. I

1112
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: think I do, Yeah, I think I do. Had to

1113
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 4: be just I have every other thing. My ticket stubbed,

1114
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: my sideline pass, the jacket that I was wearing, the

1115
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 4: whole thing was in Yeah, because we've just archived everything

1116
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: and it was in the documentary. I very well have

1117
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: those jeans.

1118
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you kind of walked us through beat for beat.

1119
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: You were holding the satellite thing while this thing was

1120
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: going right.

1121
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely true.

1122
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: And so are you throwing. You run the field, you

1123
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: throw thing, and that's when any you guys celebrate, you

1124
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: celebrate with the team.

1125
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: Well, then the game wasn't over. Remember, Yeah, the game

1126
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: wasn't over, so we had to you know, everybody run

1127
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 4: back to your position. Plus I don't want to be

1128
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: outed and yelled at and thrown off here and getting any.

1129
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: Get a trouble, get a fifteen yard penalty, so you.

1130
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 4: Know, it's all in. You can see this in NFL films.

1131
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: So then they all run off, you know, they win

1132
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. We're all elated and go back into

1133
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: that locker room when mister young let me in, and

1134
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: I got to be in there, you know, and to

1135
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 4: to share in that moment then with them as well.

1136
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: That was ridiculous, That was unheard of. That was just

1137
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 4: beyond beyond, beyond beyond. And for a family of Giant fans,

1138
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, to go home and tell my father and

1139
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: my uncle those stories, they were like blown away.

1140
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: Wow. You know, it was the first time ever.

1141
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: I think Parcels got carried off in a defensive court now,

1142
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: but I think Buddy.

1143
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: Got carried off to.

1144
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 4: That makes sense. I think.

1145
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: The Bill got carried off this game too.

1146
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 7: There you go, Well it was the world knew who

1147
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 7: he was man, and the Giants go on to win

1148
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 7: twenty to nineteen after Norwood missus that forty seven yard

1149
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 7: and the rest is history.

1150
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Yep, the rest is history.

1151
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Bill gets the Browns head coach Coughlin, goes to Boston College, then.

1152
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: Gets back to the Giant.

1153
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: Man.

1154
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: I visited with Coughlin when he was the Giants almost

1155
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: left when I was a free agent.

1156
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: They sat there. His face was always red.

1157
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 6: He just like, it's just intense.

1158
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: He's just intense.

1159
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 4: Guy.

1160
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 6: You're in a tight ship.

1161
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: Now. When the Giants played the Pats in a Super Bowl,

1162
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: who stayed home? You're not going for what you're going.

1163
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 4: I was at but I would have been run out

1164
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: of New Jersey. So I stayed home both times. Oh

1165
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: and we were a house divided, and and and so

1166
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 4: much so that and this is this is all on

1167
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 4: the shrinks couch. Our youngest child, Romeo, who's now twenty

1168
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 4: years old and at the University of Miami. He doesn't

1169
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 4: like football. Ask him why, he says, because Daddy would

1170
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: scream at the TV Sunday to the point where he

1171
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: was traumatized. And that Super Bowl he listens. They poor baby,

1172
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 4: he's still traumatized. He's like football, Fuck football. I don't

1173
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 4: want to Oh kid, Yeah, I ruined that one. But

1174
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: the other three are fully indoctrinated. And I was home

1175
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: rooting for the Pats. So I just said, if I

1176
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: ever want to, you know, live in New Jersey again,

1177
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 4: I can't go to the games. So I couldn't go

1178
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: to those. I did not go to those. Wow, we

1179
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: were home rooting for the Pats, and.

1180
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 7: We got to mention Buffalo has still not won a

1181
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 7: Super Bowl. They would go on to lose three straight.

1182
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 7: This was their closest one. All the others were ten

1183
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 7: plus point deficits.

1184
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: And that's that's crushing.

1185
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: That is that is hard on the whole city. You know,

1186
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: you've seen that documentary and all that stuff, and yeah,

1187
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: that's that's tough, Yeah, brutal. You never know if you're

1188
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: going to get back again.

1189
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 7: And then Bill Parcells retired briefly due to health issues

1190
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 7: and would take over the New England job a few years.

1191
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's how I went up there and looked

1192
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 4: around the first time. You know. So wherever they went,

1193
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 4: I went. So people would ask me, like, what what

1194
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 4: brought you there? And when I explained to you giant fans,

1195
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: they said the page you know, what what what?

1196
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: What?

1197
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: What? And I said, wait a minute, My blue is

1198
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 4: so deep that wherever they went, I went. And even

1199
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 4: the most dieheard giant fan goes, oh, I get that.

1200
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 4: I said, you know, wherever Belichick went, wherever Parcels went,

1201
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 4: I could go, you know, and I could be you know,

1202
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 4: I could see what that organization was like and how

1203
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: they operated within it. I wasn't going to become, you know,

1204
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: a Cleveland Brown fan, but I wasn't going to root

1205
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 4: against them because my guy was there. You know. I

1206
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 4: went to Dallas. This is a cute story. I went

1207
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: to Dallas with our group that was about to buy

1208
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Soul when the hype around the Arena League

1209
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: was enough that I went down and I wanted to

1210
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: buy a franchise in Philly. So I get to Dallas

1211
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: to meet, you know, the devil, Jerry. I'm gonna walk

1212
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 4: into Jerry Jones office, right And I go there and

1213
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 4: Parcels is the head coach, and I get off the

1214
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: plane and we get in a white van and we

1215
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 4: go to the offices of the Dallas Cowboys and we're

1216
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 4: waiting and we're there with Jerry Junior and Steven and

1217
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: Shy Anderson, who is the son in lad married to

1218
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 4: Charlotte at the time. And we're sitting there and the

1219
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 4: Bardies are there, and in walks Jerry, and he's a

1220
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 4: great salesman, and he's telling us about, you know, these

1221
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 4: are my Super Bowls and we're going to have Arena

1222
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: Bowl and the Arena Bull is gonna be on NBC.

1223
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 4: And I think it's a good idea for you to

1224
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 4: do this, and and he's giving me all the hype about,

1225
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe you come here and you'll like

1226
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. And I let me tell you something,

1227
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 4: We're from New Jersey. We don't like the Dallas Cowboys.

1228
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 4: We don't like anything to do with Dallas Cowboys. And

1229
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: now we're busting some balls in walks. My buddy Parcels

1230
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 4: and I go, what are you doing here? He goes,

1231
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: I'm getting paid, what are you doing here? So now

1232
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 4: we're enjoying busting each other. But it's a bit. Jerry

1233
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 4: does the coolest thing ever. He takes our white van

1234
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 4: that's going to take us back to the airport, and

1235
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 4: he sends it away and uprolls the Dallas Cowboy bus

1236
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 4: and he goes, here's your ride back to the airport.

1237
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 4: I go over my fucking dead body now out of

1238
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: a leather satchel because I thought this. I open up

1239
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 4: this leather satchel and in it is a game day

1240
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: jersey of Michael Strahand that I pull out like garlic

1241
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: to a vampire, and I go back off. Jones back

1242
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: off the first time I meet him, and I pull

1243
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: it up and back off, back off, and I'm not

1244
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: getting on that bus. True story. Jerry Jones great man,

1245
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: a great man, And so parcels where I would go,

1246
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: and I would you know, I ran into him there.

1247
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 4: I went to Cleveland when he was there. Then Parcells

1248
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: goes to New England and he takes BB up with him.

1249
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 4: Now I'm introduced to New England. I go, I like

1250
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: this one. They go to the Jets. I'm like, I

1251
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: don't like this one. But I was the one that

1252
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: got Parcels to allow Oliver Stone because the league wouldn't

1253
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 4: work with him on any given Sunday. And I says,

1254
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 4: I can help you meet my friend if you'll give

1255
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 4: me the chance to audition for your movie. He fucked me.

1256
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 4: He didn't give me the fucking roll. Which role it

1257
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 4: was the doctor playing? I guess Matthew Modine. I think

1258
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 4: I remember him. He's kind of I read with James Woods.

1259
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 4: I did a great job in Fuck Oliver.

1260
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: They can put you there. That guy's kind of an

1261
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: asshole ringing.

1262
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: Then he over fucked the players a little bit because

1263
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: he put LT out too early.

1264
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to be in that movie. And I'm

1265
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: the one that got him to Jets camp when the

1266
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: league wouldn't allow him anywhere. And I'm the one that

1267
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: got him to fuck him. But anyhow, when whenever Parcels

1268
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 4: went anywhere, I two and then Belichick, and then Belichick

1269
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: was up New England and that was it.

1270
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's name

1271
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: the game. It's one, there's only one name. We usually

1272
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: go with the guests and we talk.

1273
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 4: About what is the greatest game of all time?

1274
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, the name of the game is wide right.

1275
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: We name the game, then we score the game. Is

1276
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: this the greatest game of all time?

1277
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: Let's score it.

1278
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 3: But I do want to hear if you have an

1279
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: opinion of what the greatest game of all time is?

1280
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 4: Well, I want to go back to Atlanta. Yeah, that's

1281
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 4: twenty eight three.

1282
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 2: Czy game.

1283
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: I did not lose faith. I knew at twenty eight

1284
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 4: three there's something going on. I just felt it at halftime.

1285
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: I remember texting back with Rkka at that time. This

1286
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: ain't over. I don't know why, but there was a

1287
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 4: calm about the Pats. It was a calm. I just

1288
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 4: wasn't buying it.

1289
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: We went in that game with three keys. Can't turn

1290
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: the ball over, have to score in the area, and

1291
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: you got to do well and third down. We didn't

1292
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: do any of those in the first half, but we

1293
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: were driving the ball.

1294
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: We had to turnover when we got across a fifty

1295
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: tell him, had to pick six and like the fringe,

1296
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: which they were doing some stuff, but we were driving

1297
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: the football. So you had a bunch of mentally tough

1298
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: men that were able to, you know, stay focused. Stay focused.

1299
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: That's that's a hard thing.

1300
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 4: Catch Jules Catches. Come on, baby, I.

1301
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Don't think I could do it again. It's as a

1302
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: luck catch he.

1303
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 6: Did when matter yoga.

1304
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: Damn right, because of the yoga.

1305
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: Let's the yoga there? It is all right? How am

1306
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 4: I going to I don't want to.

1307
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: Stay stake zero to ten decimal is okay? The stakes

1308
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: of this game.

1309
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 3: So we've already done this game with Tom Papa, so

1310
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 3: we're redoing it because it's worthy.

1311
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

1312
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 8: The previous score is eight point three to one, and

1313
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 8: the previous rank was eighteenth position of our greatest games

1314
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 8: of all time.

1315
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be good at this. The steaks.

1316
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 4: I mean, this was Buffalo's first time at the Super Bowl,

1317
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: so the stakes weren't high for them. It was our second.

1318
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 4: But what what was the stakes? I mean it was

1319
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 4: it was the first Gulf War, it was, but it

1320
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 4: was bb was a kid, it was a they weren't

1321
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 4: going to lose their job. It's still the super stakes

1322
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: were hogh. You know, it's just you wanted to It

1323
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 4: was New York versus New York.

1324
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, is you're ten decimals Okay, I'm.

1325
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 4: Gonna say it's a seven wore Okay, it's a that's

1326
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: an integrity type score.

1327
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 3: Jeels head nine Jack had nine point one.

1328
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: Hitting nine figure on stakes because I mean it's a.

1329
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 4: Super Okay, you're right, it's winner go home, but it's

1330
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: But what I'm trying to say is you're gonna lose

1331
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: your job or it's you know, something like that, because

1332
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 4: these were young men.

1333
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: Still you may not lose your job, but if you

1334
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: win the game, the opportunities that you get because you're

1335
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: always go down as a champion.

1336
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't life for death like Lard Hamilton right that wave.

1337
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: We let Lard Hamilton talk about the millennium millennial wave.

1338
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: That's life or death.

1339
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: Start power zero to ten. The stars in the building, uh,

1340
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: Winnie Houston, that you are there, the players. I would

1341
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: rate that high.

1342
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: I would rate that high. And it was beautiful floor.

1343
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: Well it wasn't Miami, but it was Tampa. It was

1344
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: the I think there was a great sense of patriotism,

1345
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 4: a great sense of pride, there were enough stars there,

1346
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: that's for sure, and guys on the field. You know,

1347
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 4: if I'll give that eight point five, eight point five,

1348
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: maybe even nine, I might take that back. Give me

1349
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 4: a nine.

1350
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: Give the nine was an eight point four jacket of five?

1351
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 6: Jack, What is wrong with me?

1352
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm either I had a what is wrong with me?

1353
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't Miami, But I'm gonna because of

1354
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 4: the Gulf War and that was hating on New York,

1355
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 4: I think Tampa wasn't Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1356
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: The gameplay of the game zero to ten decimal is okay,

1357
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: the entirety, the entire gameplay as a viewer, as someone

1358
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: who played it, as any thing. What is your score

1359
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 2: to the gameplay of this game?

1360
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we had the control of the ball. I'm

1361
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: gonna give a high mark here too. I'd say nine.

1362
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: Nine had the ball for forty minutes. I mean, we're

1363
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: still talking about one play from this game.

1364
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 3: Thirty five years ending on a miskick. My great game play.

1365
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 4: And the name and giving a number to the name one, right, you.

1366
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: Gotta again ten? That's ten.

1367
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 6: When you say it, everybody knows.

1368
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 4: Ye.

1369
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: Now where does it go?

1370
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 8: Are re scored for hold on audio listeners. Jewels had

1371
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 8: an eight point three. For gameplay, Jack had a five

1372
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 8: point five out of seven point six, Tom had a seven,

1373
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 8: and then for name jack Jewels had an eight point nine.

1374
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 8: Jack had a nine point five. I had a nine

1375
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 8: point one, and Tom Poppa had a nine.

1376
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: What is the new score?

1377
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 3: It's an eight point eight and that moves it up.

1378
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 4: It was at eighteen.

1379
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 8: It moves it up two spots to beat the bush

1380
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 8: push the bush push thousand and five.

1381
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 4: Do anything that said that said you see good.

1382
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 8: And just behind the double pass the Ravens Patriots twenty

1383
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 8: fourteen Division.

1384
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 2: Around game double come back. Yeah, great game.

1385
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: That's a good spot.

1386
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: That's a really good Okay, man, John, this was a blast.

1387
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: Did we miss anything?

1388
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: Thank you for being here.

1389
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: This was funny for having no Thank you man, It's

1390
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: been an absolute pleasure.

1391
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 4: You always thanks you. You know you your thanks to you, buddy.

1392
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: It made me feel like we're friends.

1393
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 4: We are Fred even though you did you know what?

1394
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 4: Then I walk up to this prick at the at

1395
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 4: the field and I said, choose, I tried to call

1396
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 4: you about doing this up at chilette. I think you

1397
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 4: changed your number. You went yeah, and he walked away

1398
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 4: and he didn't give me his phone. Man, I went, okay,

1399
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 4: you been done.

1400
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: He was in a mood.

1401
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 4: He was number I have here. He had maybe a

1402
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 4: little bit of something to sip somewhere else.

1403
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: That I maybe probably sipping on some grandpa's old cough

1404
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: medicine and the little Devil's let us.

1405
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1406
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 4: It's okay, and you were a heck went pretty good?

1407
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 4: He did.

1408
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: Man, I probably didn't.

1409
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: This is not your current phone number. It just changed,

1410
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 4: no notice, A no, no, it did no he's it

1411
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 4: just changed and he just handed my phone back and

1412
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 4: he didn't give me the again. Nice friend.

1413
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 6: Oh Johnny big time.

1414
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have Tommy's phone number, but I don't have Julians.

1415
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 6: No, no, no old Jewels, big timmer.

1416
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 4: See, I got Belichick number.

1417
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't have to wait.

1418
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 4: Let me change house number, but I don't have Julians.

1419
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 2: Let me just change the spelling of this name.

1420
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 4: Did I? Oh?

1421
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: No, this is awesome. Now you don't you have that foundation?

1422
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1423
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: This ol foundation, the sole foundation where you cook.

1424
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 4: Yes, Dorothea created the most amazing restaurant some Oh my god,

1425
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: I don't even know how many years ago closer to

1426
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 4: twelve or fourteen now, and the model is that there

1427
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 4: are no prices on the menu. If you can and

1428
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 4: you want to affect change directly, you leave a suggested

1429
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 4: donation that pays for your meal in the meal of

1430
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 4: someone else in need, and you will never consider. So

1431
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 4: take it out of your mind's eye that this is

1432
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 4: like institutionalized food on a plastic trades, farmed to table,

1433
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 4: gorgeous menus, three course meal and if you can't afford

1434
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 4: to pay, no one will ever know that you can't.

1435
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 4: You volunteer. Now, if any of us were in that

1436
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 4: restaurant on any given day and you didn't volunteer, you

1437
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 4: sort of feel like you're missing out of the party.

1438
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 4: Because what it makes the wheel go round is that

1439
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 4: people participate in the model, and therefore it's communal. And

1440
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 4: so we created this gorgeous environment where people come. The

1441
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 4: people who are in need are being taken care of,

1442
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 4: but they feel empowered. Why because they volunteered for their meal.

1443
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 4: If a kid comes in and let's just take a

1444
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 4: teenager I don't know who comes in and he says

1445
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 4: I want to volunteer, We'll tell you come back and

1446
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 4: bring your whole family, and we feed the whole family. Now,

1447
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 4: the sense of pride that that little young teenager has

1448
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 4: because he could feed mom and dad and the siblings

1449
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 4: in this gorgeous farm to table setting, it's been amazing.

1450
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 4: We have four of them, two that are you know,

1451
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 4: in places in New Jersey and two that are in

1452
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 4: college campuses because once again, you know, if you think

1453
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 4: about all those kids at college that are even eating ramen,

1454
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 4: but it's not because it's sexy and cool, it's because

1455
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: they don't have any money left, you know. And and

1456
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 4: so we started one at Rutgers and we have another

1457
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 4: one at Jersey City University. So we have four of

1458
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 4: these restaurants that we currently are making a difference in

1459
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 4: New Jersey, but always looking for, you know, to shorten

1460
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 4: the line, and unfortunately that's never going to happen because

1461
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 4: people are in need these days, and it's it's not easy,

1462
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 4: but it's it's we don't need a scientist to find

1463
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 4: a cure. So the JBJ Soul Kitchen, if you're interested

1464
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 4: in volunteering or coming to check one of them out

1465
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: or donating, the Jbjsoul Kitchen dot org.

1466
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: Wow, the JBJ Soul Kitchen incredible. You're awesome, dude. I

1467
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: appreciate you letting us do this. It's you know, it's

1468
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure. You're such a kind spirits.

1469
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: You have a really good soul and you work your

1470
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: balls off and that's why you're John bon Jovie.

1471
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1472
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for letting us come happy you're here, man, man,

1473
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: that was that was a great episode. He's so nice.

1474
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 6: I can't believe we pulled it off. We had it unbelievable.

1475
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: All Timer guests.

1476
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the hospitality, hospitality, the Rose, the Rose. Well,

1477
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: thanks again to John. What a great, great, great, great

1478
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: time we had on a beautiful labor day.

1479
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 6: We just became Hampton's guys.

1480
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: I think Hampton and I'm a cape Cod guys. I'm

1481
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: a cape Cod guy. I'm going to chat him going

1482
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: to Chatham bah.

1483
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 4: And wait.

1484
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: We threw the first pitch at Fenway, which was it

1485
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: was weak.

1486
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 4: Mine was weak.

1487
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: You went a little high.

1488
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: I went high.

1489
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: But you know what your batting practice.

1490
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: Was good batting practice was all right. I dented the board,

1491
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: put a couple of dents on the monster. I can't

1492
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,440
Speaker 1: get the trajectory.

1493
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 2: And you know, we we had this pitch machine that

1494
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: just didn't right, and need I need an old, fat

1495
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: like guy that knows how.

1496
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 6: To throw BP, like a fifty five dollar right down

1497
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 6: the pipe.

1498
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: I need Butterfield. I need fucking Brian or what is

1499
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: my guy, Butterfield.

1500
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 6: I think Brian Hafield.

1501
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fucking I need butter A.

1502
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 3: Couple from them from the jas though, like whoa.

1503
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 6: They liked the launch angle, they liked the hand speed

1504
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 6: on jangle.

1505
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 2: I didn't have it. I was hitting too many line drives.

1506
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 6: I mean you get on.

1507
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: Base though, then all right, gronky good, Yeah, he threw it,

1508
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: threw a strike, gronk through a cd A looked like

1509
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: Randy Johnson on the fucking mountain. I felt like I

1510
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,480
Speaker 2: was next to Randy Johnson. Unit, yeah, big piece.

1511
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: I mean unit.

1512
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 3: Thanks for the Red Sox.

1513
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: That was awesome. That was thank you Red Sox. That

1514
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: was so fun.

1515
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: Got to one of the coolest parts was playing catch

1516
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: right before we went out to do it on the

1517
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: field in a in a nice.

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Speaker 2: Twilight stadium, golden hour. It was the golden hour, beautiful

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Speaker 2: and the grass. I felt like that as a little

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Speaker 2: kid that played baseball. I mean that was like so fun.

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Speaker 2: That was the best part.

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Speaker 4: So fun.

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Speaker 1: People in the stands had a jersey on fucking whipping

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Speaker 1: the ball around the jet. Did have the white beater

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Speaker 1: on I should have wore I had some many of

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Speaker 1: the other the rebox look good Rebox. The real question

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Speaker 1: is how many fin white friends to put down one

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Speaker 1: put away? Frank only did one respectable hit hit Sunday

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Speaker 1: Guy Sunday the Sunday chart or cart Oh yeah yeah

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Speaker 1: yeah that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, in the out of the out of the little

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Speaker 7: plastic helmet. Out of the plastic makes it ten times better.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If I had a question in a comment box, or

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Speaker 2: maybe can or maybe a hot fudge?

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Speaker 6: No, what fudge?

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Speaker 2: No hot fudge?

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Speaker 6: What that's a colling guard of all Sundays. Just ice cream?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the nuts and we got the Jimmy's.

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Speaker 2: I got the nuts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I put a little gummy bears on there.

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Speaker 3: That's gummy bears.

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Speaker 2: Lily did it once with like mintschip ice cream, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is disgusting Lily for that, And then

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Speaker 2: I tried it. It was actually pretty good.

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Speaker 3: It's like mustard and watermelon.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, gracious, but that was fun.

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Speaker 2: That was a fun experience. That was incredible and that's

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Speaker 2: been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Leave a message on the hotline. Those have been so fun.

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Speaker 1: The number to that is four two four two nine

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Speaker 1: one two two nine zero. We will see you guys

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