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Speaker 1: The volume. Okay, let's dive into a little thing we

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Speaker 1: like to call the Middle Cough mail bag.

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Speaker 2: We like to do these on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: Little Saturday bag for the people at John Middlecoff is

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Speaker 1: the Instagram. Fire in those dms and get your questions

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Speaker 2: Very very easy to do.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna try to bang out a bunch of

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Speaker 1: questions and do it right now. Is it just me?

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Speaker 1: Whereas offensive play calling feel like it's almost the most

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Speaker 1: at Detroit and goff, he's a statue. You're telling me

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Speaker 1: the Jets don't have comparable weapons to Detroit. If the Jets, Bengal, Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: Is that a crazy opinion to have a little bit

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Speaker 1: because I think you are underestimating a little thing we

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Speaker 1: their offensive line has had several holes. And now they

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Speaker 1: drafted this guy Pooney who's a really good player, but he's.

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Speaker 1: Their right tackle is not good. Their center is very

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Speaker 1: Look look at CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud. CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud is getting peppered right now. His offensive line is

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I was texting with someone who used to play in

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Speaker 1: of him just scrambling. They had twenty four they had

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Speaker 1: seven to forty times in that game, especially you're playing

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Speaker 2: Like CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud did not need to have thirty attempts, should have

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Speaker 1: You can play with a quarterback who can't move, but

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Speaker 1: I mean Jared's Goff's offensive line is awesome. Kirk Cousins,

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Speaker 2: Why they are so cheap. Would love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, contracts with players becomes an economic exercise. I was

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Speaker 1: But like, if you're a player in baseball, right, a

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Speaker 1: Gonna get I don't know, five hundred to six hundred

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Speaker 1: Is that good business? And it's why some of these

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Speaker 1: have you seen this situation where the high school coach

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Speaker 1: I have not seen this story.

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Speaker 2: Let's pull it up. So here's this coach.

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Speaker 3: By a bunch of fucking kids that fucking want it

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Speaker 3: more than we did. That's why they're fucking coptating the rason.

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Speaker 3: your asking every goddamn game. That's why you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: We had no common sense. We're playing back so far

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Speaker 1: Uh, honestly, I don't even know what to say. This

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Speaker 1: Those kids and listen, you can soften, you know, participation

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Speaker 2: Work harder?

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Speaker 1: Like buckle up, because the one thing you'll learn fast

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Speaker 1: in this world, a lot of people are out to

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Speaker 2: And if you're.

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Speaker 1: Offended by some f words in a football environment, I

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Speaker 1: We'll just pay you more than Indiana can pay you.

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Speaker 1: the managers, like, we have a lot of control over that.

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Speaker 1: So they're doing specifically what we want them to do.

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Speaker 2: And then the injury.

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Speaker 1: Factor, it's like it's just way less in football. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the UFL's a developmental league. You're right, I send if

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Speaker 1: I'm the Colts Anthony Richardson to the development league. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not like I'm in control of the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Do I get to pick the offense? Because if they're

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Speaker 1: running an offense that's not my offense, what does that

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Speaker 1: do for me? What is exactly happening at practice three

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Speaker 1: or four days a week, the individual, the team, the group,

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Speaker 1: all the different work that goes on throughout the periods

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Speaker 1: of practice.

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Speaker 2: Who controls that?

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Speaker 1: Because I want if I'm Shane Seiken, I want him

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Speaker 1: doing what I want him to do. But maybe the

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Speaker 1: coach in the UFL doesn't do that, doesn't run that offense,

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Speaker 1: doesn't coach the position that way, which is why if

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Speaker 1: I was a coach, I wouldn't risk doing that. And

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Speaker 1: then the other thing is we're using quarterbacks for example,

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Speaker 1: because you're telling me an offensive guard wouldn't care a

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Speaker 1: linebacker or slot receiver, okay, but the quarterback, it's like,

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Speaker 1: who's blocking for him? Because if the defensive line isn't good,

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Speaker 1: every dude on that defensive side of the ball, whatever

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Speaker 1: quarterback I throw that way is going to try to

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Speaker 1: kill the quarterback. Why because that makes a name for himself.

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Speaker 1: So I do think there are a lot of risks

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Speaker 1: involved that aren't worth it when you've invested a high

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Speaker 1: pick and paying the guy money. If you watch bow

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Speaker 1: Nick's tape from the Panther game, I think you'll feel

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Speaker 1: better about him night and day from New Orleans. I

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Speaker 1: have not watched a snap of that game. I think

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Speaker 1: here's the problem, and I think most people would agree

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Speaker 1: that game's pretty irrelevant. I mean, that's how bad that

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Speaker 1: team is. It's really one of the worst football teams

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty years. So yeah, I mean it's positive.

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Speaker 1: You get game reps, you have success, you throw some touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: you don't turn the ball over. But as Sean Payton said,

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Speaker 1: essentially like that's a G League team.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: To me, I'd put more stock even if they lose

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Speaker 1: these games. If he puts good tape the next couple

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Speaker 1: weeks against the Ravens and the Chiefs, I think you

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Speaker 1: could play, you know, show stuff in a losing effort,

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Speaker 1: even if your numbers look worse, and you put way

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Speaker 1: more validity into that than you do the Panther game.

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Speaker 1: Because let's you use the draft analogy. When I'm evaluating

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Speaker 1: a quarterback to draft him and I look at a schedule,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would watch the equivalent of the

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Speaker 1: Panther game. The games I would watch would be the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, the Chargers. How does he look in those games?

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Speaker 1: Frequent listener in my mid twenties. I have been a

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Speaker 1: Bengals fan since the Carson Palmer Ojo Sinko days. There

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Speaker 1: isn't an NFL team from where I grew up. But

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to feel like I choose the wrong franchise

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Speaker 1: to be a fan of. I'm too far into it

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Speaker 1: now and we'll never switch. But I would like your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the organ team, if you have any stories

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Speaker 1: about them. I don't know much about the Bengals internally,

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Speaker 1: beside obviously their owner Mike Brown is very involved. You know,

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Speaker 1: the team has not been as bad. I think sometimes

494
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Speaker 1: is the way they've been talked about. They were good

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Speaker 1: in the two thousands with Carson Palmer before he got injured.

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Speaker 1: They were very, very competitive with Marvin Lewis. I know

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Speaker 1: they couldn't win a playoff game, but they were just

498
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Speaker 1: a well run, good players at every position. I remember

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Speaker 1: seeing them live one year against the Raiders, thinking, like

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Speaker 1: their offensive line, this was when they had Whitworth. Their

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Speaker 1: offensive line is good, their running backs are good, their

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Speaker 1: receivers and tight end it was like Iffert was Eifert

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Speaker 1: was either quarterback or tight end. They had obviously Aj Green.

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Speaker 1: They were just good. And defensively they were actullent. They

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Speaker 1: were huge on the defensive line. They had Burfett, Their

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Speaker 1: linebackers were good, and their secondary was good. In the

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Speaker 1: team the last couple of years, I mean three years ago,

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Speaker 1: you guys won the Super Bowl. Two years ago you

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Speaker 1: went to the AFC Championship Game. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: worse teams you could roof for as long as you

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Speaker 1: got Joe Burrow. I think the big question mark is

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Speaker 1: if they go seven and ten or six and eleven

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Speaker 1: or something, are they going to fire the coach? And

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Speaker 1: if they fire the coach, they're gonna find themselves in

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Speaker 1: a Charger situation that all those years with Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you got a really good quarterback. A lot

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Speaker 1: I bet he's not even in the top half of salaries.

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Speaker 1: So like, if you want a big time coach, like,

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Speaker 1: they're not cheap. And the Chargers battled with this forever

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Speaker 2: Just we need to get serious about this.

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Speaker 1: And they gave Jim Harbaugh a ton millions upon millions

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Speaker 1: Is the hot commodity in NFL teams draft quarterback way

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Speaker 1: Regarding the Anthony Richardson mess and the Watson mess, Trevor

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Speaker 1: think this year is gonna be a litmus test because

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, most people you talk to these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: even Shador, who I like Shador, but you text around

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Speaker 1: the teams, especially a team that just doesn't need a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: a guy that just can evaluate him objectively, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a good player, he's really accurate, throws a nice ball,

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Speaker 1: but he's not a great athlete. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: his stuff, you know, he add libs a lot.

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Speaker 2: Again, I like him.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, you talk to a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: they go, this guy's.

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Speaker 2: The number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: You know, historically even a guy like that might go

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Speaker 1: in the twenties, but now it feels like he's a

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Speaker 1: lock to be the first, you know, overall pick. Or

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Speaker 1: in the mix cam Ward, you talk to a lot

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Speaker 1: of scouts like, this guy's the biggest roller coaster ever. Again,

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Speaker 1: fantastic talent, but you watch him play on one given

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Speaker 1: play can look like a number one overall pick. You

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Speaker 1: can watch another player like got this take this guy

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Speaker 1: in the fourth round. So you just don't have great

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Speaker 1: quarterback prospects right now. Yours no chance, Beck, no chance.

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Speaker 1: Even Arch Manning.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to.

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Speaker 1: A buddy the other day that was at the Texas

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Speaker 1: Georgia game, And do you know an underrated thing with

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Speaker 1: Arch who I can't wait to watch as a full

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Speaker 1: time starter next year, doesn't have a big arm. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: his arm's probably pretty average now, granted so was Peyton's.

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Speaker 1: But you watched him play in that Geordian like he

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Speaker 1: I think he thinks he's got a stronger arm than

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Speaker 1: he does. No, he's an excellent athlete. He's six foot five,

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Speaker 1: he's young, maybe he can his arm can improve.

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Speaker 2: But like.

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Speaker 1: He's got a long long way to go before we

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 2: Him being a top ten pick.

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Speaker 1: My point is that when you over when you draft

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Speaker 1: these guys one, two, three that historically never would have

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Speaker 1: been drafted that high, it amplifies the pressure one hundredfold.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we've gotten these crazy situations about these

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Speaker 1: guys underachieving and failing, because it's like, if this guy

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Speaker 1: was a second or third round pick, we wouldn't talk

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Speaker 1: about him the same.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't the same.

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Speaker 1: Pressure on Derek Carr when he was a second round pick,

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Speaker 1: or Jimmy Garoppolo when he was a late second round pick,

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Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson when he was a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: or Kirk Cousins when he was or Dak when they're

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Speaker 1: third fourth round picks. I think both those guys were fourth.

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Speaker 1: But now Dak, you remember, I think got a DUI

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Speaker 1: within a month of the draft. Probably hurt him around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he probably would have gone a little higher.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people saying Stiking might get

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Speaker 1: fired this year if things go bad for Indy. Do

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Speaker 1: you think the Colts fire Stiking? He would get another

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Speaker 1: job somewhere else right away. Everyone seems to think that

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Speaker 1: he's a good coach. I don't understand why he would

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Speaker 1: be fired.

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Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if he was fired.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is year two, has had him on

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Speaker 1: the brink of the playoffs with Gardner Minshew and after

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Speaker 1: watching the Texans right now, they're gonna be right in

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Speaker 1: the mix.

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Speaker 2: So I would not prepare for Shane Stiking to get fired.

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Speaker 1: Plus, you guys, if you're a Colts fan, like your

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Speaker 1: team's gonna be competitive, Your team like last year is

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Speaker 1: gonna be right in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Where they could get weird is if Anthony Richardson is

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Speaker 1: just a total Like I keep hearing this, like, how

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Speaker 1: could you do this? This guy is the future of

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Speaker 1: your franchise. No, this guy could be the future of

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Speaker 1: the franchise. Currently he is not the future of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: He has not shown that he's the future of the franchise.

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Speaker 1: That's why they benched him. Doesn't mean he can't be,

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Speaker 1: but right now he is not. So I think the

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Speaker 1: question marks moving forward is that situation could get weird.

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Speaker 1: That to me like him Ballard? What's Ballard status? Is

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Speaker 1: he just a made man? If the Buffalo Bills fall

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Speaker 1: short again to the Chiefs or the Ravens. And assuming

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Speaker 1: Josh plays well, do you think McDermott should be gone?

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Speaker 1: I think he's a good defense, a great defensive coach,

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Speaker 1: and has reinvigorated the culture. But I question him situationally

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Speaker 1: thirteen seconds in the game, clock management issues. Who would

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Speaker 1: you hire to replace him? Although Joe Brady has done

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Speaker 1: a great job, I don't think he's ready to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach. It'd be real fascinating to see Josh

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Speaker 1: playing for a great offensive mind.

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Speaker 2: Well at this.

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Speaker 1: Point, like why would you fire Sean McDermott for belichicker Vrabel?

652
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Speaker 1: Two defensive minded coaches? Which, like is their defense going

653
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Speaker 1: to get that much better with one of those guys?

654
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Speaker 1: Like Sean does a really good job, and like you said,

655
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Speaker 1: he's a culture guy. So it's like if you fired him,

656
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Speaker 1: ideally you would try to get your version of McVeigh, Lafleur, Shanahan,

657
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: like that type guy, Well, find me that guy. Where

658
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Speaker 1: does that guy exist? Because Kobiak can slow it through

659
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Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks is like, oh my god,

660
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Speaker 1: you couldn't do that. Now, Like you said, maybe you

661
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Speaker 1: saw Joe Brady as being the next Sean Payton. I

662
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Speaker 1: don't know him, doesn't feel like that's his personality, but

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Speaker 1: that would be the only move you could make. I

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Speaker 1: would not fire Sean McDermott. Obviously there's pressure on the

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Speaker 1: Bills to step up, right, But there's pressure on the

666
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Speaker 1: Ravens too, Like, what do the Ravens lose to one

667
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Speaker 1: of those teams? You're not firing John Harbaugh. And their

668
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: defense is terrible, and he's a defensive guy. He was

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Speaker 1: a dB coach. Their DBS are awful, So these are

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Speaker 1: tough situations. But I don't see how they don't. It'd

671
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Speaker 1: be a pretty big risk to do an offensive move

672
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: for the Bills because of it backfired and their defense

673
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: got worse, and their culture got worse. Their team actually

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Speaker 1: would be worse. Even if you felt like, are they more?

675
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think their office is good right now,

676
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Speaker 1: so I don't know. I would just roll with Sean McDermott.

677
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Speaker 1: Now you have another thirteen second type moment. You have

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Speaker 1: another one of these things, like the game against the

679
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Speaker 1: Houston Texans, which is a pretty big loss because if

680
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Speaker 1: you look at the Bills right now, if they had

681
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Speaker 1: won that game, which they should have. So they win

682
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Speaker 1: the Texans game, they would be instead of six to two,

683
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Speaker 1: they'd be seven and one. They play this week the Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: that's to win, then.

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Speaker 2: The Colts, then the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Well, that Chiefs game, you'd be like, they're playing for

687
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Speaker 1: the number one overall seed, and we know how important

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Speaker 1: that is when it comes to, you know, them trying

689
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Speaker 1: to make a run. It's not the end all be

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Speaker 1: all because they lost at home last year. But if

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Speaker 1: you could choose, right, if you just looked at the Ravens,

692
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Speaker 1: Chiefs and Bills and the Steelers, it's like, do you

693
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Speaker 1: want home games or do you want road games in Jai? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: they all want to play at home.

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Speaker 2: Love the show.

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Speaker 1: I saw what you said about Rex, and I felt

697
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Speaker 1: for the guy after listening to him on the Pivot podcast.

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Speaker 1: The guy has certainly wanted to be back so bad

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Speaker 1: based on what he says weekend week out on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: But why nobody has given him a shot when he clearly,

701
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Speaker 1: at minimum can scheme on defense at an elite level?

702
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Speaker 1: Is it rookie coaches are afraid he will take their

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Speaker 1: job and outshine them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, why isn't it hired?

705
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Speaker 1: As the DC our owners just scared of his personality.

706
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Speaker 1: Like Jerry for instance, would love to hear your thoughts.

707
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Speaker 1: I think sometimes in the NFL it's like the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of getting canceled. And I feel like after the Rex

709
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Speaker 1: situation happened with the Bills, He's an older guy who's

710
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Speaker 1: made a lot of money, so his price point is really,

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Speaker 1: really high.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like he.

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Speaker 1: Got canceled from the NFL, like teams don't want to

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Speaker 1: mess with him. He costs so much money. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: a lot of younger coaches, he's a pretty intimidating presence,

716
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Speaker 1: like he's not just going to keep his mouth shut

717
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Speaker 1: even if he's, you know, not the number one, you know,

718
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Speaker 1: being the defensive coordinator. You're not the top guy on

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Speaker 1: the food chain. But is Rex at this point in

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Speaker 1: time really a number two? I don't really know. I

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Speaker 1: feel like Rex is either a head coach or nothing.

722
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Speaker 1: Now there are question marks. The way it ended in

723
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Speaker 1: Buffalo was really bad, I mean really bad and embarrassing.

724
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Speaker 1: So you have that stink on you. You have the ego

725
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Speaker 1: like you see it with Wink Martindale, Like people think

726
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: his ego outweighs his talent and obviously his talent as

727
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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Some people think, like Bro, you don't

728
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Speaker 1: need to blitz that much. You can't just play man

729
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Speaker 1: Deman on the outside blitzing heavy all the time in college.

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Speaker 1: Question for the mailbag Raider fan from the Central Valley.

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Speaker 1: My people, I've seen enough of Pierce. I don't ever

732
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Speaker 1: see a world where he doesn't get out coached by

733
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Speaker 1: Andy Harbon Payton, we need to cut bait after this

734
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Speaker 1: year and hire a coach. I tried to get Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson or Vrabel. Who would you your top options be

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Speaker 1: for the Raiders head coach. I had someone in the

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Speaker 1: football world tell me that they they thought Pierce would

738
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Speaker 1: be one and done. I listen, I don't have any

739
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Speaker 1: inside information. I'd be a little surprised you're telling me

740
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Speaker 1: Mark Davis. I don't know exactly what the Gruden situation

741
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Speaker 1: is with the lawsuit, if he has to pay him

742
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Speaker 1: or not, but he's obviously paying Josh McDaniels a ton

743
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Speaker 1: of money. I think it was reported when he fired

744
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Speaker 1: those two guys, Josh and Ziegler, he owed them a

745
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: combine like sixty million dollars. Now you could argue sixty

746
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: million in this modern day NFL world is a line item,

747
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Speaker 1: and obviously Mark moving to Vegas has a lot more money,

748
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Speaker 1: but you would think he'd give it at least two years.

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Speaker 1: I do not think he wants to go on another

750
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Speaker 1: coaching search. And also, then would you fire Tom to LESCo?

751
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't expect him to be fired

752
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: regardless how bad they are, because I also think it's

753
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Speaker 1: pretty easy for Mark to go, Well, we had Gardner,

754
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: Minshew and Adan O'Connell. But this always gets back to like,

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Speaker 1: how do they get a quarterback? They signed Sam Darnold

756
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Speaker 1: as a free agent. They I don't know what they

757
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: do seriously, because they're gonna end up winning a couple

758
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Speaker 1: games that are gonna get them out of the top.

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Speaker 2: Like to me, they are not gonna be the first

760
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Speaker 2: or second pick.

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Speaker 1: I think they are much more likely to be like

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Speaker 1: the sixth pick than they are the second pick. Look

763
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Speaker 1: at the Giants last year, awful season, but they couldn't

764
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Speaker 1: play with the quarterbacks because they just weren't high enough.

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Speaker 1: So the top three guys go off the board. My

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Speaker 1: guess is not really an option. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I hope for your sake as Raider fans, I am

768
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Speaker 1: wrong because I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 1: I see no circumstances this works out. I'm obviously biased

771
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Speaker 1: about Brock because I'm a lifelong Niner fan, and I

772
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: feel like he's consistently shown elite processing, timing, and accuracy.

773
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: I know he's had bad games against quality opponents and

774
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Speaker 1: that makes people question whether he's a franchise quarterback, but

775
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: all franchise quarterbacks struggle.

776
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: His elite skill set.

777
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Speaker 1: Reminds me of a lot of Breeze in how he

778
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: sustained success, not the most athletic, and didn't have an

779
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Speaker 1: elite arm. My question is, at what point were you

780
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Speaker 1: convinced that he's a franchise quarterback. He obviously didn't convince

781
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Speaker 1: people in San Diego and took time in New Orleans

782
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Speaker 1: to earn that reputation. What's your take on the Breeze

783
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Speaker 1: Prety comparison. I mean, when Breeze got in the league

784
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Speaker 1: when I was in high school, so his situation early

785
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Speaker 1: on his career, I can't even I don't even really

786
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Speaker 1: remember how good or bad he was. He had a

787
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Speaker 1: major injury, like part of his shoulder injury was a

788
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: big reason, Like if he had not been injured, they

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Speaker 1: don't end up with Philip Rivers and he leaves as

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Speaker 1: a free agent. He would have been their quarterback for

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Speaker 1: a while. I think, you know, Drew Brees was an

792
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Speaker 1: elite college player. His numbers were like pretty historic at

793
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Speaker 1: the time. Purdy's a better athlete than Breeze. I think

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Speaker 1: Breees a better thrower of the football, the younger version.

795
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Speaker 1: I think they're similar in the sense of very serious

796
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: cats and all in on football, and like you said,

797
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Speaker 1: the processing stuff. I think the hard part with Purdy

798
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Speaker 1: is this looming question mark, like are you gonna give

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Speaker 1: him two hundred million dollars? And I just honestly can't say, like,

800
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Speaker 1: I want brock Purty as my quarterback. If I'm Kyle Shanahan,

801
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: totally understand that he's by far their best option. But

802
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Speaker 1: that's where I'm just like, well, let's just keep getting

803
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Speaker 1: gaining more information.

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Speaker 2: Right.

805
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Speaker 1: If I told you you had to you had to invest.

806
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: And this isn't an apples to apples analogy, but your

807
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: life savings into something and if you invest in the

808
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: right thing with your life savings, it would.

809
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Speaker 2: Fifty x your life savings.

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Speaker 1: You would spend so much time reading, looking into it,

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Speaker 1: asking people about it before you pulled the trigger, so

812
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Speaker 1: and you would want more and more information. I never

813
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Speaker 1: understand when people rush to non like historic players, like

814
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Speaker 1: Brock Purty's not a historic player in terms of talent

815
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Speaker 1: and just play. He's a good player and has a

816
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Speaker 1: chance to be a franchise quarterback, but relative to how

817
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: much franchise quarterbacks get paid, Like do you want to

818
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: be in a Dak Prescott situation where you're just paying

819
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: a guy all this money and it's like it's hard

820
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: to build a team and he's not quite good enough,

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Speaker 1: and maybe Purty keeps getting better and I'm again I'm

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Speaker 1: pro Rock party, but once we start growing around he's

823
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Speaker 1: making fifty five million dollars a year, Like I like

824
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Speaker 1: my fifty five million dollars a year. Players to be

825
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Speaker 1: lock Pro Bowlers every year. You don't have to be

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes or Peyton Manning. But I

827
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Speaker 1: want to feel pretty good, like if you're healthy, you're

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Speaker 1: going to be in.

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Speaker 4: The Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And he was last year, and we'll see how the

831
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Speaker 1: rest of the year. Like it's we still got eight games,

832
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Speaker 1: so they got more than half the season in front

833
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: of them. I think he just has to play well

834
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Speaker 1: in these bigger games. You win the division again with him?

835
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Speaker 1: He lights up the Rams, the Cardinals and Seattle the

836
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Speaker 1: second time he plays all these teams because right now

837
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: he just they can't afford.

838
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: To have him turn the ball over. As one thing.

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Speaker 1: Question for the POD, what do you think the Steelers

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Speaker 1: do at the end of the year, obviously still a

841
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: lot of ball. Do they let fields walk if Russ

842
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: plays well? Sign Russ to.

843
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: A three year contract?

844
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Speaker 1: Just curious what your thoughts are. Also now, with the

845
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Speaker 1: injuries of Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, I think this

846
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Speaker 1: is a best.

847
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Speaker 2: A big test for Baker.

848
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Speaker 1: Well it is, but he just signed a hundred million

849
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: dollar contract, So Baker's going to be their quarterback now

850
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I honestly have it even

851
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: you're kind of putting the cart before the horse. This

852
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: gets back to the party conversation, like, we gotta see

853
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: how this plays out, right, If Russ keep throwing multiple

854
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: touchdowns a game and they win the division, Like, yeah,

855
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: they will give Russell I almost said Russell Westbrook Russell

856
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Wilson a contract extension.

857
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Speaker 2: Now how much money?

858
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Speaker 1: Like can we sign him like two years, forty million

859
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: dollars guarantee twenty five Like I'd probably do something like that,

860
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: But am I giving Russell Wilson one hundred million dollars?

861
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: Like I gotta see a little more before I feel

862
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: comfortable doing something like that. And the other thing is

863
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: he's still getting paid a bunch of money from Denver,

864
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: So I think we got a long way to go.

865
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: I haven't even I haven't even crossed that bridge. Justin

866
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: Field's got benched. Justin Fields will not be on the

867
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: team next year unless he resigns for like two million

868
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: dollars to be the backup. But I don't see like

869
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: they're not giving him any substantial money to stay around.

870
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: Let's face it, like these guys have kind of shown

871
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: what they are. Mac Jones a backup. Zach Wilson is

872
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: a third stringer. Fields is a backup, Trey Lance a

873
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: third stringer. Is that kind of crazy that Zack Wilson

874
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: and Trey Lance are third string quarterbacks? I think I

875
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: had mentioned that on a podcast earlier when we were

876
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: like when I was rolling and I wasn't quite sure

877
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: if he was the second or third, and then I

878
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: googled it I guess technically, I mean Bronco fans, you

879
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: know Stidham has been their second quarterback. Uh would love

880
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on why last year's edition with

881
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and Roberts was better than this year's. Well,

882
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: if they the offense that we saw in the second

883
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: half was you know that you could have a potent

884
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: passing game. I think the reason your I mean your

885
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: defense just.

886
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: Had better players. They lost a lot of depth on

887
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: the defensive line.

888
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: And Reddick is like, I don't know, man, he's just

889
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of a sack hunter, doesn't play within the construct

890
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: of the defense, doesn't really care. I mean, that was

891
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: one reason Philly turned on him.

892
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 2: He runs up.

893
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: Field, goes after the quarterback, and if he loses contain,

894
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: if he runs way by, it's like whatever, he's trying

895
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: to get my sacks, Like this isn't the NBA just

896
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: you don't just need twelve sacks to get a big contract.

897
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: Like, if you play well, people will pay you.

898
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: You're better off having a couple less sacks and being

899
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: a good player. Like I actually think he's hurting himself

900
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: for a guy that wants a lot of money this offseason.

901
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: But I think it just gets down to their defense

902
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: was healthier and just deeper and way better. Question for

903
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: the bag in an era where endless online draft nerds,

904
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: I wanted your take. As a former scout, there seems

905
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: to be this notion that it's unwise to use higher

906
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: round picks on middle linebackers and that you can find

907
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: productive players in the middle or later rounds. Yet, if

908
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: you look at the best all pro guys of the

909
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: last several years, you'll see Queen first round pick, Rokuwan

910
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: first round pick, Bolton second round pick, Wagner second round pick,

911
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: to Mario Davis, third round pick, CJ. Mosley, first round pick,

912
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Fred Warner third round pick. These guys have been absolute

913
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: anchors on some of the better defenses over the years.

914
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: Where do you stand with picking middle linebackers in the draft.

915
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I would take a middle linebacker in the first round

916
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: if I'm confident the guy's gonna be Luke Keigley, Roquan Smith,

917
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, because in twenty twenty four, that guy think

918
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: out his importance. He makes every tackle in the run

919
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: game or is a major factor in the run game.

920
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna get you ten plus tackles in the run game. Well,

921
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: if they run at thirty you know, twenty eight times

922
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: a game, he's getting a third of the tackles. He

923
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: covers the tight end and the running back who you

924
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: look around the league like a lot of good pass

925
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: catching tight ends and good pass catching running backs. And

926
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: then he's the leader of your team. He's the heartbeat

927
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: of your squad. He sets the tone both from a

928
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: speed standpoint, when your middle linebacker's fast, you usually your

929
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: defense feels faster, and then from a physicality standpoint, when

930
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: that dude's cracking skulls. It's like you see some of

931
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: these teams with bad linebacker play, It's like God, defense

932
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: is bad, even if they have good players and other positions.

933
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: I think the hard part is is like Fred Warner

934
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: went in the third round for a reason. People thought

935
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: he was kind of a tweener. Like it's just hard

936
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: if people knew Fred Warner was gonna be this good,

937
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: Like Fred Warner would go in the top ten of

938
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: the draft, Like.

939
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: Rokwan was what pick? So we picked ten? Am I wrong? There?

940
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: He was a pretty high pick, but he was such

941
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: an elite player in college, Like Rokwan was better in

942
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: college than Fred. Obviously, Luke Keighley was what the eighth pick.

943
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: In the draft.

944
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm just pulling up Rokwon right now. Rocann was the

945
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: eighth pick. So you've seen guys that I can't miss

946
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: guys like Rocann was.

947
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: The eighth pick. Luke Keigley was the eighth pick. Hell

948
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: ray Lewis back in the day was a first round pick. Well,

949
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I never I like.

950
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I disagree with the Eagles philosophy that middle linebackers aren't

951
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: important to me. If I get if I get Fred Warner,

952
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: or I could get Who's the or Sauce Gardener. I

953
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: would take Fred Warner all day long, and I'll just

954
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: draft two corners throughout the drafts and hopefully one of

955
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: them becomes a solid starter. I value the middle linebacker

956
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: position more than most. Listen to the pot today about

957
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: arresting people who give out fruit or toothbrushes. Some guy

958
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: was giving out potatoes last night. Not sure what that

959
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: is all about, but my daughter got a potato.

960
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: That person is a loser. That person needs help. I

961
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: went on this ran.

962
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: If you missed it at just about you either there

963
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: are two options during Halloween. As you know, a home

964
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna give something out. You either give out candy. Now,

965
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: I won't judge. If you want to get King Size,

966
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: if you want to get minis, if you want to

967
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: do milky ways, if you want to do fruity stuff, skittle,

968
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: sour patch, that's that's your prerogative. I'm not one to shame.

969
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: We all like different candies. Some people like more fruity,

970
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: some people like more chocolate. I'm not here point fingers

971
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: that way. But you either give out candy or you

972
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: turn your lights out and you give out nothing. You

973
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: do not give out potatoes, toothbrushes, fruit.

974
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: We need, we need to send help to these people.

975
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: We really do.

976
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: Why is NFL safety played down so much the past

977
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: few years. I grew up watching Ed Reied, Troy Paula Malo,

978
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: and then Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor. I feel like

979
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: there's no one remotely close to those four guys. I

980
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: do think it's a lot harder to play that position.

981
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: I do think Kyle Hamilton is I mean, he's kind

982
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: of like this hybrid player, but he's.

983
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: Pretty damn good.

984
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kyle Hamilton's like, got a chance

985
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: to go to the Hall of Fame. He's twenty three

986
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: years old. I think he's a pretty special player. So yeah,

987
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: to me, I would put mean's to me, Hamilton's in

988
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: that mold of like just this hybrid star player. It

989
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: is hard to play because part of what made all

990
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: those guys special, I mean Earl and Cam you didn't

991
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: go over the middle of the field because you would

992
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: have to be prepared to go to the hospital or

993
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: go to the blue tent, or your season would end

994
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: or your game would end. And the physicality. Because of

995
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: the rules, it's a lot harder to play, so you're

996
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: more like a cornerback there. I mean, Hamilton's like this

997
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: ht he can turn into a linebacker at any moment,

998
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: and that drop ball the other day's you know, wide

999
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: plays defense. But he can play for my team any day.

1000
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: And I do think back in the day when the

1001
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: rules were you could light guys up like a Christmas tree,

1002
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: he would have been awesome at it.

1003
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of players like that.

1004
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers with with Ufunga, who's

1005
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: been banged up, but he would have been perfect.

1006
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 2: In the nineties, he would fucking split your chin open,

1007
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: but you're not allowed to do that.

1008
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: Anymore.

1009
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: So you're in space playing the wide receivers on the outside,

1010
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: and part of your game with those guys, I mean,

1011
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: I think their most famous plays are going sideline to sideline,

1012
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: obviously picking the ball, but also just contacting the offensive player. Well,

1013
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: now those guys are to me are way more hesitant

1014
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: to do that because they get in trouble and they

1015
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: get they get penalties. So you could argue it's way

1016
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: harder to play, you know. I think sometimes the rules,

1017
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: like if you're in an industry and then all of

1018
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: a sudden a regulation happens, it's like it's going to

1019
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: be a lot harder to do business. Like why a

1020
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: lot of these businesses like pay all these lobbyists all

1021
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: that money to not have rule changes and to either

1022
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, that would slow down, neutralize, or even ruin

1023
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: a business. And this would have been the number one

1024
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: thing if you were dB or linebacker. They never would

1025
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: have voted for this stuff, right, not in a million years.

1026
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: If this was the business world, the defensive coaches, the

1027
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: defensive players, they would have lobbied against this. But ultimately

1028
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: the league doesn't want to get sued for CTE because

1029
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: the big payout and they want to avoid it, and

1030
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: they want to be you know, this is all you know.

1031
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: Part of life is covering your ass in business, right,

1032
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: no one wants to get sued. Clearly, they pretended nothing

1033
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: happen forever and then they almost went too far the

1034
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: other way, and college obviously has followed because they don't

1035
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: want to. I would say, put a stop to their

1036
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: honey hoole of cash flowing in so that they've even

1037
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: gotten more extreme. You get a targeting and get kicked

1038
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: out of the game. Nothing angers me more. It's like, guys,

1039
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: most of these kids are not going to play in

1040
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. If I'm a two year starter at Texas

1041
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: A and M and I'm not an NFL player, Like

1042
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm only getting twenty five games or twenty six games

1043
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: in my college career, and you're gonna toss me out

1044
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: of this game, and then I got to sit out

1045
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: the first half.

1046
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: Of the next game.

1047
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: That that to me, you could argue the most extreme part.

1048
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, even if you are gonna be extroggressive,

1049
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: kick him out of the game. Why does he have

1050
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: to miss the next game? Thank God? If the NFL,

1051
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: they couldn't go that far because the players Union. The

1052
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: college players have no one fighting for them like that.

1053
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: That's that's ludicrous. At this point in time, no one's

1054
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: trying I think for a long period of time, and

1055
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: this is the violence of the game in which we love.

1056
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: Like people are trying to hurt other people.

1057
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's like UFC, like I'm not I'm not

1058
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: trying to like send you to the hospital, but I'm

1059
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: trying to knock you out of the game. I clearly

1060
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: that has changed through the rules and I think through

1061
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: the coaching. So like, no one's trying to hurt anybody.

1062
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Everyone's moving at rapid speed. If someone goes helmet to

1063
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: helmet at this point in time, to me, like it's

1064
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: basically an accident, like no one meant to do that. Hopefully,

1065
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: I answered a lot of you guys questions. Appreciate everyone

1066
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: for firing in the vms. Have a great weekend, and

1067
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: I will talk to you soon. The volume