1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Appreciate all 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: by Missouri Senator Josh Holly, father of three. He's got 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: a new book, Manhood, the Masculine Virtues America needs. And 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Senator you look around and see 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: some of this ridiculous stuff. The Adidas has men wearing 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: women's baiting suits. We've got men winning women's championships. I 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: don't think anybody can argue that masculinity in many ways 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: is under siege. So is femininity, So is the very 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: idea that there's a different in the sex, difference in 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: the sexes. 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: How do we fix this? 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on. It's great to be 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: with you, and you nailed it. It is. The Left 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: is waging a war on the whole idea of gender. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: They're telling men that they're inherently toxic. They're telling women 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: that they don't exist. You know, if anybody can be 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: a woman today, I mean, it is crazy stuff. The 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: way we fix it, I think, is we first of 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: all insist that on the reality of biology, that there 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: are really biological men, that's a real thing, and there 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: really are biological women, and those things are different. Number one. 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: Number two, it's good. It's good to be a man, 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: it's good to be a woman. And then I think 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 3: for young men, we need to send the message that, hey, 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: there are role models out there of what a good 28 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: strong man looks like. We need strong men in America. 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: We need men who are going to take responsibility for 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: their lives, for their families, ultimately for their country, and 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: we need to send that message to young people, especially. 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 4: Senator Hollyot's back. Thanks for being with us. Want to 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: know you, Claron. 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 5: I talk about this a lot. 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 4: I wanted to hear your take on it, which is, 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: why does the left want to undermine masculinity so much? 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: It's very clear there's a concerted effort here. What's the 38 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: motivation behind that. 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: I think it's power, you know, I think that men 40 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: who are strong and independent are a threat to the 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: leftists and to the elitists who want to run the country. 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: You think about buck. Their message to men for the 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: last twenty thirty forty years, it's been, hey, go turn 44 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: on a screen, go entertain yourself, buy some stuff. Be 45 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: an androgenoust consumer. But don't rock the boat. You know, 46 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: let us let the experts run the country. You just 47 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: sit there and do as you're told. I think men 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: who are independent who say not, Actually, I've got a job, 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: I'm economically independent, I provide for my family, I'm morally independent. 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: I've got my own political views. That's a threat to 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: the liberal elites, the so called experts running this country. 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 3: And that's exactly why we need men to stand up, 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: be stronger, to take responsibility. That's what liberty is. Liberty 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: is when we run our own lives, right. Liberty is 55 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: when we run our own government. So to reclaim the 56 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: promise of liberty in this country, preserve it, we need 57 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: men who are going to stand up, take responsibility, be 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: strong and independent. 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: You know, Buck and I talk a lot on this program. 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: I mean, there are certain things that I see and 61 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: it's almost impot possible to have predicted that this would 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: ever occur, even even if you go back to like 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: twenty ten, twenty sixteen, even the idea that there wouldn't 64 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: be and I know you guys just voted on this, 65 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: there wouldn't be a single Democrat in Congress in the 66 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: House or the Senate that was willing to say, hey, 67 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: men's sports should be for men and women's sports should 68 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: be for women. 69 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 5: Blows my mind. 70 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: Did you ever think, I mean, you grew up playing athletics, 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: like we said, you've got three kids as well. You're 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: in Missouri. I'm sure that most of your constituents think 73 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: this is wild too. Do you ever think we'd see 74 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: an entire political party unwilling to say, hey, we should 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: separate men and women's sports. 76 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: No, No, I did not. I wouldn't have thought that 77 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: just three or four years ago. I mean, it is incredible, 78 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: this radical ideology that is so totally unhinged from reality 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: and Clay you know, you know, parents don't want this, 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: and that crosses political lines, at least it doesn't my state. 81 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: Democrat parents, independent parents, they don't. They just want their kids, 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: number one, to be affirm for who they are, not 83 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: that you know, if you're a boy, you need to 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: be a girl. If you're a girl, you need to 85 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: be a boy. Crazy. They want their girls to actually 86 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: be able to play sports and not have men pushed 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: into their same sports leagues or into their same walker rooms. 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: This is pretty basic stuff, and I think the left 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: has gotten so out of control here, They've gotten so 90 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: far afield that they've just completely lost touch with reality. 91 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, conservatives, this is the time 92 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: for conservatives to stand up and to defend manhood, to 93 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: defend womanhood, to say those things are real, those things 94 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: have value, and we should recover what healthy role models 95 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: for both of them look like. 96 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: Senator Holly with us now from Missouri. Senator, you're Democrat 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: senate colleagues on this gender issue, do you think, I mean, 98 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: without asking anyone specifically, but as a general matter, do 99 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 4: they believe the stuff the slogans they mouth on TV 100 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: about how it's fine that you know, men can actually 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: be women and they should compete. Or are they just 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: just so afraid of the cult and their political power 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: demands it that they're willing to go along with it, 104 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Are they true believers or 105 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 4: are they just they don't have a choice in their minds. 106 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: I think it's probably the second thing. And I say 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: it because I have respect for these people, and I 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: just can't believe they actually believe this stuff, you know. 109 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's that the lobby here, the 110 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: radical left lobby, Let's remember who the base of the 111 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: Democrat Party is now. It's people who fly around the 112 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: private jets and go to conferences at Davos like that's 113 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: their base. Those are the people with the power, the 114 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: radical activists, who also tend to be very rich and 115 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: well connected. So I think they're very responsive to those people, 116 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: and those people are pushing this trans ideology, this no 117 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: gender ideology all the way I mean, hook line and sinker. 118 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: I think the left has bought it, so that to 119 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 3: me is what's driving this. But you know it is 120 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: it's crazy. I mean it's crazy talking. I think of 121 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: the hearing that I had some month back where we 122 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: had called by the Democrats, where we had any elite 123 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: law professor who wouldn't even say the word woman. You know, 124 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: she kept saying persons with birthing capacity, and it's like, 125 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: you mean you mean woman. Right, Here's the point that 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: we're at in America with the left. They won't say man, 127 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: they won't say woman. And I think one of the 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: reasons I wrote the book is to cut across all 129 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: of that, all of that nonsense. Let's tell the truth. 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: We need good strong men. We need good strong women too, 131 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: But for men, This is really a call to step up, 132 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: to take responsibility, and to go out there change your 133 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: own life first and then change your family, change this country. 134 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: The book is Manhood, the masculine virtues America needs. I'm 135 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: sure I've got three boys, so I spend a lot 136 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: of time thinking about this fifteen, twelve, and eight. And 137 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: obviously I see a lot of their friends around and 138 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: everything else. And one thing I hear from them, and 139 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: I'm curious if you're hearing this from your own kids, 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: or if you're hearing this from constituents. A lot of 141 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: young you know, men, a lot of boys, they look 142 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: around and say, you know, we're being told that we 143 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: are toxic because we are boys. And like I'll hear 144 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: from my own kids, Like there's a lot of you know, 145 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: pro femininity still out there, the girl Power initiative and whatnot. 146 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: I think that a lot of young boys growing into 147 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: men are really lost and they don't know how to 148 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: be comfortable in their own skin. I think this is 149 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: also happening with women because you look at high rates 150 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: of suicide and depression that exist out there. How do 151 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: we fix it? Because this is something that I think 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: is so important. There's a lot of lost souls in 153 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: the younger generation. I'm sure you see it, and I'm 154 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: sure you're trying to address it in the book, But 155 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: do you feel it. Do you feel that when you're 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: around the country, Senator Holly, that even for something like 157 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: when you and I would have grown up, you know, 158 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: twenty thirty years ago, this didn't exist. It really feels 159 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: like men are truly under assault in this country one 160 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: hundred percent. 161 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: And I think the message that you just articulated is 162 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: one hundred percent what men, especially young men here, which 163 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: is that if you're a man, you're toxic. If you're 164 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: a man, you make the world a worse place just 165 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: by being a man. And that is incredibly disorienting to 166 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: young men, you know, who naturally come built in with 167 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: a sense of adventure, a longing to you know, go 168 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: out and discover and push boundaries and be aggressive like that. 169 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: You know, that's just listen. I mean, you've got boys. 170 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: I've got boys like this is how boys are. And 171 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: when they're told from the time they're little, that's a problem, 172 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: You're a problem. You need to stop that. It is. 173 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: Its profoundly disoriented and disorienting to them. So how do 174 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: we change that. I think part of the answer is 175 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: we try and tell good stories, recover role models. This 176 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: is what I try to do with the book. I 177 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: tell stories from my own life, coaches, mentors who are 178 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: significant to me, from American history, from the Bible, what 179 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: does it look like to be a good strong man? 180 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: And I think we can hold up those role models 181 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: for young men today and say, look here, this is 182 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 3: what it looks like. It's good to be a man. 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 3: It's good to have ambition, it's good to want to 184 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: be strong, channel that in service to others, and then 185 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: you've got the recipe to really make a difference with 186 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: your life. 187 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: The book is Manhood, the Masculine Virtues American Needs. Senator 188 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: Josh Holly, thanks so much for being with us. 189 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 190 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: You can handle the truth, Mark Clay Travis and Buck 191 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Sexton coming up. 192 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: The left wing has been adroit, They've been skilled, they've 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: been incredibly well trained, and they have turned in Nashville, 194 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: my hometown, they have managed to turn this crazy transshooter 195 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: into a demo Republicans or racist argument. That's what they've 196 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: pivoted from. We still don't have the trans shooter manifesto. 197 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris can travel to Nashville, won't meet with the 198 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: victims of the shooting because they don't want to reinforce 199 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: that this was a crazy trans shooter. Instead, Kamala Harris 200 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: comes here and they try to say, Oh, all Tennessee 201 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Republicans are racist, right, that's the argument. 202 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Now. 203 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: To be fair, Tennessee Republicans did screw this thing up 204 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: when they didn't vote the crazy white chick out too. 205 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: They just voted the two black guys out and the 206 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: crazy white chick survived by one vote. 207 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 4: Can we just also add to that that she begged 208 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: them not to expel her, and then the moment she 209 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: got her wish, she turned around and said, you who 210 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: failed to expel me did so because you are racist. 211 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: Just see, that is, in microcosm, what it is to 212 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 4: deal with a lib politician in America today. Please please, 213 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: I beg you. I want to keep my job. Fine, 214 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 4: you weren't quite as egregious as the others. You're letting 215 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 4: me keep my job out of racism, sir. That is 216 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: what they did. 217 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: And if you fell for it, you're an imbecile. Frankly, 218 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: if you were one. Look, if you wanted to say Hey, 219 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: on principle, I don't think we should be voting anybody 220 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: in the Tennessee Legislature. I don't think this makes sense. 221 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to vote against all three. Okay, I can 222 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,359 Speaker 2: see that argument, because you kind of turned them into martyrs. 223 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: You can see that argument. But if you tried to 224 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: split the baby, and you're like, I'm going to toss 225 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: the two black dudes out, but I'm going to keep 226 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: the white chick who begged for forgiveness and then immediately 227 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: went outside had those crocodile tears, and then as soon 228 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: as she survived and wasn't kicked to the curb, she 229 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: immediately said, oh, it's racism. That's why I didn't get 230 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: kicked to the curb. You got played. You played yourself. 231 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: And speaking of playing yourself, this is one of the 232 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: two expelled members of the Tennessee Democrat Party. 233 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 5: I believe we have this audio all cue up and 234 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: ready to go. 235 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: Right. 236 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: So he went to Boden, which is a super elite 237 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: problem with Boden cost probably seventy five thousand dollars a 238 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: year buck, I mean probably tuition something like that. 239 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it mean one of the same conference as my school. 240 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: AMers not as good as Amherst, but it's pretty good. 241 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: So in Maine. It is the one of the richest 242 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: whitest schools historically on the East Coast. This guy went 243 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: to that school, all right, and he didn't just go 244 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: to that school. He ran for student body president, and guys, 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to stop it if we can. 246 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Right at the end of his this is the same 247 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: guy that was expelled that now is trying to pretend 248 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: like he's Malcolm X or Martin Luther King junior. Here 249 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: he is, in twenty sixteen running for student body president 250 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: of this elite, super white, liberal rich kids school in Maine. 251 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 5: Listen, Dustin J. 252 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 6: Pearson, and I'm running for president of FSG. There are 253 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 6: a few reasons that we're running this campaign this year. 254 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 6: One has to do with representation. Yeah, how can we 255 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 6: represent all voices in a conversation? I wanted to do 256 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 6: this by pargering with organizations from the booty Democrats to 257 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 6: the boon Republicans. I want to bring together different voices, 258 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 6: dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative, 259 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 6: in order that we can reach a point of sort. 260 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: Of the radical middle. 261 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: Okay, pause, great, job there, guys. That is his campaign message. 262 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: Bowden Bow, you pronounce it Boden? All right, Boden. He 263 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: wanted to be the student body president. You need to 264 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: watch the video that is twenty sixteen. Here is this 265 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: past weekend in a Nashville church. He now has a 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: monster afro, same dude, listen. 267 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: Seemed like the Nraian gun. 268 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: Lobbyists might win. 269 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 5: But oh that was good news for us. 270 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 7: I don't know how long this Saturday in the state 271 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 7: of Tennessee might last. 272 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 5: But oh, we have good news, folks. 273 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 7: We've got good news that Sunday always comes. 274 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: All right, now, I want to put him now back 275 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: to back. Now you heard him separated. This is the 276 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: same dude again, separated by seven years running for student 277 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: body president at his super white school in Maine that 278 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: costs seventy five thousand dollars a year, talking about how 279 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: he wants to bring everybody together. And then it's suddenly 280 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: like record scratch nineteen sixty five and he's Martin Luther 281 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: King Junior. 282 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 5: Listen to the whole thing, Dustin J. 283 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 6: Pearson, and I'm running for president of PSG. There are 284 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 6: few reasons that we're running this campaign this year. One 285 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 6: has to do with representation. How can we represent all 286 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 6: voices in a conversation. I wanted to do this by 287 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 6: parkering with organizations from the booty Democrats to the boone Republicans. 288 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 6: I want to bring together different voices, dissenting voices, voices 289 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 6: that may be more liberal or more conservative, in order 290 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 6: that we can reach a point of sort of the 291 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 6: radical middle. 292 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 7: Seemed like that NRA and gun lobbyists might win. 293 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: But oh, that was good news for us. 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 7: I don't know how long this Saturday in the state 295 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 7: of Tennessee might last, but oh, we have good news, folks, 296 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 7: We've got good He knows that Sunday always comes. 297 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: This reminds me Buck of remember the movie eight Mile, 298 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: when Eminem's going up against the other elite rapper and 299 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: Eminem just takes all of me. He's a poor white kid, 300 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: literally eight Mile. And he points out that Clarence, if 301 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: I remember correctly was his name, went to Cranbrook, which 302 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: is the most exclusive and expensive private school in the 303 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: Detroit area. For anybody listening to us who grew up 304 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: in the Detroit area. And he just says Clarence went 305 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: to Cranbrook, and everybody just loses it because the guy 306 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: is a total poser, right he's and I wish we 307 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: could curse. Sometimes he's full of crap. He is pretending 308 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: to be but like a cosplay a really bad actor 309 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: that is trying to pretend like it's nineteen sixties in Tennessee. 310 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I get nervous if I say y'all that 311 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: people are going to think that I'm appropriated, you know, 312 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: but it is such a good CONDI. 313 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: My wife was super nervous because she's from Michigan. She's 314 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: been in Tennessee for twenty years, and I remember having 315 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: a conversation with her, when can I use the word 316 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: y'all and not sound like I'm a faker, right like, 317 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: not sound like I'm. 318 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 5: The real thing? Everybody. 319 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: Y'all is the is the best way to say what 320 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: you're trying to say. 321 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 5: Period. 322 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 4: The most efficient is better than you all. Yes, you 323 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: guys is a very is a very. I think it's 324 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: definitely Northeastern, Midwest, mid Atlantic and Midwestern guys. Yeah, yeah, 325 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: you guys. You know, but we say you guys in 326 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 4: New York, y'all makes a lot a lot more sense. 327 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: Or or if you're really a New Yorker, you know, Manhattanite. 328 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: You might say all of you, but all of you 329 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: is quite a mouthful. 330 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 331 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: The border is. 332 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: Well, we thought it would be this bad, but when 333 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: you see the visual images of it, when it is 334 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: made real by the presence of thousands and thousands of 335 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 4: migrants camped out along the border and legal aliens, really 336 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 4: this term has completely faded out of our conversation. But 337 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: these are people who are entering the United States illegally. 338 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: They are breaking our laws. They are over overwhelming the 339 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 4: system that we have in place to process them. We'll 340 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 4: get into the numbers and all of it, but the 341 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: end of Title forty two is obviously every bit as 342 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: much a disaster for border security as we thought it 343 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: would be. And this is unfortunately the Democrat plan. I 344 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: think you have to understand that, and I'll get into 345 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: why that is in just a little bit. 346 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: You know, CNN. 347 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: Still dealing with the aftermath of the town hall with 348 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 4: Donald Trump, where he got to just beat Trump. I 349 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: mean he was, he was trumping it up, and a 350 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 4: lot of their audience very upsetson. Cooper goes on his 351 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: show and says, I mean, look, if you never watch 352 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 4: us again, I understand, which that's the level things have 353 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: gotten to for CNN anchors who have been paid tens 354 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 4: of millions of dollars over the years to be propagandists. 355 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: So we shall discuss that too. But the biggest thing 356 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: that's on my mind today, and I'm sure we're gonna 357 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 4: take a lot of calls on it, so eight hundred. 358 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 5: Two eighty two to eight eight two. 359 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 4: The biggest thing that's on my mind, I'm sure many 360 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: of yours as well, is the situation of Daniel Penny 361 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: and how he has now turned himself in. He is 362 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: facing manslaughter charges in the death of Jordan Neely, the 363 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: career criminal who was threatening people on the subway and 364 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 4: was in a in a point where at a point 365 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 4: where Penny thought the only way to handle the situation 366 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: was to take matters into his own hands and do 367 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: something about it. 368 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 5: This is deeply upsetting. 369 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 4: As you know, I'm a New Yorker, bored and raised 370 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: and saw the difference New York City at that and 371 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: saw the difference between a city run for the benefit 372 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: of the law abiding and the decent and the productive 373 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 4: versus a city that bends over backwards to do everything 374 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 4: possible to cater to the criminals, to put the vagrant, 375 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 4: the predators, the criminals, the people who are making life 376 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: more difficult for others on the streets of New York City, 377 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 4: to put them first. I've seen the difference in the city. 378 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: I've seen the difference in various communities. During the time 379 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: I was doing a rotation and the Intelligence Division of 380 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 4: the I spent time in the highest crime parts of Manhattan, 381 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 4: not just driving through days and days in the highest 382 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 4: crime parts of all of New York City, I think 383 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: is in Manhattan. And what you realize very quickly when 384 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: you actually do that, when you're not Chuck Schumer or 385 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 4: you know, Alcasio Cortes or Joe Biden, none of these 386 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: people have spent the night in a dangerous neighborhood in decades, 387 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: if ever. Okay, But when you actually go there, you 388 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 4: see that the elite liberal opinion that we should give 389 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 4: criminals free reign first and foremost punishes people in those 390 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: communities who are trying to live their lives productively, peaceably, 391 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: and within the law. And that's for the highest concentration 392 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: minority neighborhoods of New York City, and any city for 393 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 4: that matter, It is always a small percentage of an 394 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: overall metropolis that is committing the vast majority of the 395 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 4: violent crimes, and overwhelmingly by the numbers. Minority communities are 396 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: places where there's a disproportioned impact on the many from 397 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: the very small percentage of those who are committing crimes. 398 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: So basically you're letting by not enforcing the laws. The 399 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 4: black community, the Latino community in New York specifically, this 400 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: is true in many other cities suffer more because there's 401 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: more crime. 402 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 5: In those communities. 403 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: This is the root fallacy, if you will, This is 404 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 4: the baseline the foundational problem with the way Democrats are 405 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 4: approaching criminal justice. Once again, they are sacrificing the ninety 406 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: nine percent of the law abiding for the one percent 407 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 4: of the criminal element. And this then brings me deep 408 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: into the Jordan Neely situation. I was worried this was 409 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: going to happen. The Left turned up the pressure. We'll 410 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: get to that in a second. Here is Daniel Penny's 411 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: attorney who is announcing that there is a surrender that 412 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: has occurred here. He has been taken into custody, cuffed process, 413 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 4: the whole thing. 414 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: Play clip one. 415 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 8: This morning, Daniel Penny surrendered at the Fifth Precinct at 416 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 8: the requests of the New York County District Attorney's Office. 417 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 8: He did so voluntarily and with the sort of dignity 418 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 8: and integrity that is characteristic of his history of service 419 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 8: to this grateful nation. 420 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 4: Now, a few things that I want to establish for 421 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 4: our conversation here. What was said on that train? There 422 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: are all these eyewitnesses. You've seen the video. There's a 423 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 4: more extended video you should see as well if you haven't, 424 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: that shows Neely and two others who also restrained Neely. 425 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it shows Penny and two others who were 426 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: restraining Neely. So there are three individuals who are trying 427 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 4: to restrain Jordan Neely, who subsequently died. The people on 428 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: the train, on the subway car in New York City 429 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: were grateful that someone stepped in. And you'd have to 430 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 4: ask why would they be grateful? Why wasn't Why don't 431 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 4: we see interviews? Wouldn't this be so easy if the 432 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: people on that subway car weren't frightened by what was happening. 433 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 4: Wouldn't they be frightened by this man just choking someone? 434 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 8: Oh? 435 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: And now they're saying it's manslaughter, you know, intentionally choking 436 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 4: him or unintentionally as the manslaughter charge I believe allows 437 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: choking him to death. No, the other people on the 438 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 4: subway car were thankful that someone stepped in. 439 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 5: Let's ask the question why why would. 440 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: They be if I saw someone put someone in a 441 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 4: choke hold and put that individuals. Yes, anytime you put 442 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 4: someone in choke hold, you have to be careful you 443 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 4: are you are taking what could be what could be 444 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: lethal force action. But if I saw someone do that 445 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 4: on the subway, we would people would be terrified, Oh 446 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 4: my god, what what is this guy doing? 447 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 5: Why is he choking this individual out? 448 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: This is But if there was a reason for it, 449 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: you'd say, well, aren't we glad that someone stepped up 450 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: because something really awful was about to happen. You know, 451 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: you don't have to wait if someone pulls a knife 452 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 4: on you, or someone pulls a gun on you. You 453 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 4: don't have to wait for them to shoot you or 454 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 4: to stab you for you to do something about it. 455 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: I know, in New York and then the Democrat controlled 456 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 4: states and cities, you do. Now they are making self 457 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 4: defense illegal. They are doing this purposefully because in a society, 458 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 4: which is what they want. 459 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 5: With true status authoritarianism. 460 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 4: You live and die, truly and literally die at the 461 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: whim of the state. If this is just what the 462 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: policies demand, if this is what the collect if once 463 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 4: you have to suffer through it, you are not allowed 464 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 4: to defend yourself because they say so. It's also why 465 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: they hate the Second Amendment. It's why they hate law 466 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 4: abiding citizens being able to arm themselves and defend themselves. 467 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: It all holds together. This is philosophical at its deepest level. 468 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: This is about the individual's relationship to the state. It's 469 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 4: also about good and evil too, because ultimately, what is 470 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: the purpose of laws an ordered society but a just society? 471 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: Are you living in a just society if every time 472 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 4: you get on the subway, some maniac can get in 473 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 4: your face and threaten to kill you, perhaps threaten to 474 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 4: kill your children, and you aren't allowed to do anything 475 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 4: about it. You sit there and hope that that forty 476 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: four times convicted criminal who had recently shattered an elderly 477 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: woman's occipital bone and nose, her eye socket and her nose. 478 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: You hope that he doesn't decide that this time he's 479 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 4: going to do what he had done before. Alvin Bragg 480 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 4: and Mayor Eric Adams and the Democrats who run New 481 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: York City are telling. 482 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 5: You that's the situation. 483 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 4: You sit there and hope that the maniac doesn't attack you, 484 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: doesn't maim you, perhaps in front of your wife, perhaps 485 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: in front of your children, or in front of your husband. 486 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 4: That's the city that you're supposed to live in now. 487 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 4: I think people have had enough of that, but the 488 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 4: Democrats haven't, not the Democrat apparatus, not the people in charge. 489 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: Why did they feel unsafe on that subway? Why did 490 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: Daniel Penny step in? Key questions? God, I hope somebody 491 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 4: with common sense ends up on this jury and saves 492 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: this marine from this absolute abbe is It is appalling 493 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: what my home city is doing right now. It is appalling, 494 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 4: But here we are. Why were they afraid of Neeli quote? 495 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: This is from multiple eyewitnesses. There is no dispute about this. 496 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: Nearly is menacing everyone on the subway, saying, I don't care, 497 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: I'll take a bullet. I'll go to jail. He said 498 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: he would kill a MF word. I don't care, I'll 499 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 4: take a bullet, I'll go to jail. He's running around 500 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 4: shouting in people's faces, the threat that he will kill 501 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 4: someone on the train and doesn't care if he goes 502 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: to jail. Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of Manhattan, is 503 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 4: telling all New Yorkers right now. 504 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 5: That's just the way it is. That's just going to happen. 505 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 5: Deal with it. 506 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: This is what social justice, and in the eyes of 507 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 4: the left, racial justice demands. 508 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 5: And you say to yourself, hold on a second. The 509 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 5: New York City subway. 510 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: I've spent countless thousands of hours in the New York 511 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 4: City subway. 512 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 5: It's one of the most diverse places on the planet. 513 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 4: I'm sure if you ran the numbers, one of the 514 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 4: actually most diverse places on the planet. So the people 515 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 4: on that train there were black people being threatened, Hispanic 516 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: people being threatened, Asian people being threatened, White people being threatened, 517 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 4: and other races. I mean, we could list, you know, 518 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 4: everybody that's the New York City subway system. Oh, but 519 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 4: because of the elements here that you have an individual, 520 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: the perpetrator of the threats here is black. The Democrat Party, 521 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 4: Alcasio Cortes and many others take a very specific stance 522 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 4: on this, which is that there must be some form 523 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: of racism involved here. 524 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 5: This is racist. It was a lynching. Aana Presley said, 525 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: you remember that, a lynching? 526 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: As though this former marine no criminal history, done nothing 527 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 4: but what honorably serve? What's the problem here? How is 528 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 4: he a threat to society? 529 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 5: Ask yourself this? 530 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 4: What is the message the justice system is trying to send. 531 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 5: In New York City that Daniel Penny. 532 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 4: You are You are better off on the New York 533 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 4: City subway system if young men, if marines, if people 534 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: who stand up to serve and to save, if they're 535 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 4: told by their own government, local government in this case, 536 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: sit down, shut up and take it, or we will 537 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 4: lock you up in a cell. 538 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 5: Does that make you safer? 539 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 4: Do any of you who actually go to New York 540 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: live there, travel there, work there? Any of you feel 541 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: safeer knowing that the next good samaritan, the next individual 542 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: who tries to do something, well, maybe they're gonna lock 543 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 4: him up. 544 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: Forty four arrests. 545 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: How long did how long did Jordan Neely really serve 546 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 4: in prison? You ever asked that question? Forty four arrests? 547 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 4: Daniel Penny, the former Marine. He faces fifteen years in prison. 548 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 4: Now fifteen years. 549 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: For this circumstance, for the situation. 550 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: Understand that the message is being sent to all of 551 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: us across the country. Democrats control things. You can't defend yourself. 552 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 4: That is now the rule. You are not allowed submit, 553 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 4: submit to the criminals. Let them steal from your store, 554 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 4: let them rampage through your your restaurant, or your your deli, 555 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 4: your market, let them burn your gas station down. You 556 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: try to do anything and they'll step in and they'll 557 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 4: decide that. 558 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 5: You are the bad person. 559 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 4: It's quite a form of authoritarian obedience training we're all 560 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 4: going through right now. And I think I hope there's 561 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: enough of a national outcry about this that perhaps this 562 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: will become a turning point, that will become a moment 563 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: that everybody realizes what's really going on here. 564 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: More fun and conversation coming up from Clay Travis and 565 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. 566 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Clay and Buck Buck rolling out solo 567 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: here for the last half hour or so. Well, actually 568 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: not solo really, Clay had to go catch a plane 569 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: because our friend Kat Timpf is with us now. She 570 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 4: is a Fox News contributor co host of Gutfeld, a 571 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: sabulous show on Monday through Fridays on Fox News. You 572 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 4: should all watch, and she's got a new book out. 573 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 4: You can't joke about that, Cat, I have a feeling 574 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 4: that whenever someone says you can't joke about that, you 575 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 4: pick that out and you make a joke about it. 576 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: What's going on? 577 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 9: That is absolutely true? Good to talk with you. Yeah, 578 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 9: That's why I'm sitting on a coffin on my book cover, 579 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 9: because I wanted to make it very clear that you 580 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 9: can joke about absolutely everything. And I don't think that 581 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 9: the people who say you can't joke about that are 582 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 9: just like snowflakes or whatever they're normally called. I think 583 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 9: that actually really harming people because a lot of people, 584 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 9: myself included, use humor as a healing mechanism, and they're 585 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 9: telling people that they can't do that, which also can 586 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 9: keep people from making connections with other people through humor. 587 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 4: Do you think we're gaining some ground though? You know, 588 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 4: we talk on the show a fair amount here, Kat 589 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 4: about some of the people, whether it's Bill Maher who's 590 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: a comedian slash political commentator. But obviously you know Dave 591 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: Chappelle has made jokes and had specials and things that 592 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 4: he didn't you bend the knee to the woke cancel crowd. 593 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 4: Is it moving finding the right direction? Or is that 594 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 4: a little too optimistic? 595 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 9: You know, I hate to be optimistic, but I certainly 596 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 9: hope so right. I think that more and more people 597 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 9: are starting to see the reality of the situation, which 598 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 9: is a lot of these people who present themselves as 599 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 9: being these sensitive, compassionate people are actually jerks. Because I 600 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 9: write about this in my book too. I think it's 601 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 9: not a bad thing to talk about your feelings, to 602 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 9: have feelings that are hurt, to express that your feelings 603 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 9: are hurt. Where it becomes an issue is when you 604 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 9: expect the entire world to revolve around your specific feelings 605 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 9: and sensibility. That doesn't make you a sensitive person. That 606 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 9: actually makes you a self obsessed bully. And that is 607 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 9: the difference. And I think a lot of people really 608 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 9: are starting to see the difference between somebody who's just oh, 609 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 9: I'm sensitive, I feeling like they're in somebody who wants 610 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 9: to use that to gain power and control over other 611 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 9: people because maybe they haven't been as successful as they 612 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 9: want it to be in life and they want to 613 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 9: kick someone else down, or for whatever other reason. 614 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 5: Speaking of Cat Tim. 615 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 4: If you've got a book out you can't joke about that, 616 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 4: you should go get your copy today. Kat, thank you 617 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: so much for making the time, thanks for coming on 618 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 4: the show, Thanks for having me. 619 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 8: Buck