1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: This week's episode deals with disturbing themes of child sexual assault. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Parental discretion is advised. You're listening to the third and 3 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: final part of Unexplained, Season six, episode twenty five. Once 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: There was a Way. In early April nineteen ninety, West 5 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: des Moines police were informed by authorities in northern Mexico, 6 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: where only that month they've been chasing a lead into 7 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the disappearance of Eugene Martin, that the body of a 8 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: young man had been discovered in a drainage ditch just 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: south of Humor in Arizona. The man was identified as 10 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: a John E. Gosh. Agonizingly, for Noreen and John Gosh, 11 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: the man did not fit the description of their son, 12 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: and was later identified as the adopted son of a 13 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: couple from Tacoma in Washington. There were numerous strange coincidences 14 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: besides the name. Just like Noreen and John's son, John E. 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Gosh was named after his father, also known as John 16 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Gosh Senior. He was almost exactly the same age, having 17 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: also been born in nineteen sixty nine, only three weeks 18 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: before the missing boy from Des Moines, and he'd even 19 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: lived in Oklahoma around the time when Noreen and john 20 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: Son was allegedly seen begging for help while being dragged 21 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: away by two men. Shortly after he disappeared, dental records 22 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: were requested just to be sure, which ultimately proved beyond 23 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: all doubt that John E. From Tacoma, who was thought 24 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: to have been killed in a drug dealing related incident, 25 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: was not the missing newspaper carrier. For Noreen and john 26 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: it was yet another hideously cruel twist to their unending nightmare, 27 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: and one that left them unwilling to invite any more 28 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: false hope into their lives. So when the following year, 29 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: former Nebraska state Senator John DeCamp called them up, claiming 30 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: he had some vital information he thought they might want 31 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: to know, it's not surprising they were a little apprehensive 32 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: about it. As detailed in Part two, John DeCamp was 33 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: a vocal supporter of the numerous claims of child abuse 34 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: made against the then chief executive of the Franklin Credit 35 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: Union in Omaha, Nebraska, Lawrence King. King was found guilty 36 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: of embezzling tens of millions of dollars from the credit union, 37 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: but had also been accused of funneling some of that 38 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: money into the running of a child prostitution ring, among 39 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: other unproven allegations. Of particular interest to DeCamp was the 40 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: individual Poor Banazzi, who testify it as one of the 41 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: alleged survivors of King's apparent prostitution ring. Banazzi's claims were 42 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: later dismissed by a grand jury. As de Camp explained 43 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: it to Noreen and John Gosh, However, there was much 44 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: more to the case than had been revealed in the press, 45 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: the most pertinent part being that Banazzi had not only 46 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: apparently been abused, but had also been coerced into recruiting 47 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: other children into the abuse ring too. One of these children, 48 00:03:50,280 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: he apparently told DeCamp, had been Johnny Gosh. Poor Bonazzi 49 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: was born in nineteen sixty seven and by all accounts, 50 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: had a deeply sad and traumatic upbringing, growing up in 51 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: difficult circumstances. He is thought of first suffered sexual abuse 52 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: at the age of six. In nineteen ninety, Garry Karadori, 53 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: the lead investigator hired by the Nebraska state government's committee 54 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: set up to run their own investigation into Lawrence King, 55 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: got a tip off about Banazzi and arranged to interview 56 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: him at the time, Banazzi, who was by then twenty 57 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: two years old, was serving time in jail on three 58 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: charges of abusing a minor, but had been named by 59 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: another apparent victim of the alleged chard abuse ring as 60 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: some one worth speaking to. What he eventually told Karadori 61 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: astounded him. According to Banazi, he'd first been pulled into 62 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: the ring around the age of ten, and by the 63 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: age of twelve was regularly being transported across the country 64 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: by King among others, to attend countless depraved sex parties, 65 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: where he was forced to take drugs, sexually abused, and 66 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: even forced to abuse other children for the entertainment of 67 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: the guests. Banazi's story had everything from allegations of pedophilia 68 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: to sadism and satanic ritual including the frequent mention of 69 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: a strange group of cloaked figures who would often be 70 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: present at the parties but never revealed who they were. 71 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: In one particularly harrowing episode, Banazzi described how he and 72 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: another boy were forced to perform various sexual and violent 73 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: acts on the body of another victim who'd apparently just 74 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: been shot dead in front to them. That boy's body 75 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: was then said to have been later dumped out of 76 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: a plane, and all of it was filmed for posterity, 77 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: he said by a director called Hunter Thompson. B Natzi, 78 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: who was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder shortly after his arrest, 79 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: claimed that all the traumatic memories he had were only 80 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: known to a select number of his purported personalities. It was, 81 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: by all accounts, a horrific story. 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Despite the grand jury's ruling, 115 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: John DeCamp remained convinced there was just too much intricate 116 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: detail for it all to be dismissed entirely out of hand. 117 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety, dismayed by the grand jury's verdict, he 118 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: decided to take on the role of Banazzi's legal representative 119 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: to help get his allegations out to the wider public, and, 120 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: to his mind, at least bring the men that he'd 121 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: accused to justice. In July nineteen ninety one, De Camp 122 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: claimed to have come across the transcript of a psychiatrist's 123 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: interview with Banazzi, in which he discussed an incident concerning 124 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: a newspaper carrier in Iowa. It was then that De 125 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: Camp said he went to his local library to research 126 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: the details of John Gosh's disappearance and found it matched 127 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: precisely with what Banazzi had told him. Despite everything they 128 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: had already been through, it was too much for Noreen 129 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: and John to ignore, and so that same July in 130 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, the couple traveled to meet poor Banazzi 131 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the Nebraska State Penitentiary in Lincoln, where he was incarcerated. 132 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: It's impossible to put into words how Norin and John 133 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: would have felt as they sat on the opposite side 134 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: at the glass screen, waiting to speak to the man 135 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: who was claiming to have been involved in the abduction 136 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: of their son. For Noreen, at least, she'd anticipated feeling 137 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: nothing but anger, but when the slight and fragile looking 138 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: banacy finally shuffled into view, what she also felt was pity. 139 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: And then, over the next hour or so, between sobs 140 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: and lengthy pauses, he explained exactly how he'd allegedly come 141 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: to take part in Johnny's kidnapping. According to Paul, who 142 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: would have been around fifteen on the day in question, 143 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: he and another child, Mike, were traveling in a car 144 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: driven by a man he called Emilia, who was said 145 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: to be one of the enforcers of the apparent sex 146 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: abuse ring. At one point, Emilio is said to have 147 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: told Paul and Mike to duck down in the back, 148 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: and a few moments later he stopped the car to 149 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: us some people for directions. When Emilio started driving again, 150 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: he then said to Paul and Mike to be prepared 151 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: to hold someone down in the back. A few minutes later, 152 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: they stopped once more, at which point Emilio was said 153 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: to have grabbed a boy from the street and pulled 154 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: him into the back of the car, where Mike and 155 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Paul then held him down as they sped off. In 156 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: another version of the story, Paul also claimed to have 157 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: used chloroform to subdue the boy. As Norene and John 158 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: struggled with the thought of it all, they pressed all 159 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: to say more about their son, looking for any irrefutable 160 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: evidence that he was telling them the truth. Banatzi is 161 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: then said to have successfully described various markings on Johnny 162 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: Gosh's body, although much of it was publicly available information 163 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: according to Johnny's parents. One scar that Paul mentioned on 164 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: Johnny's tongue, which he'd injured in a fall as a 165 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: young boy, had not been mentioned before. He also said 166 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: that Johnny once told him about how his mother taught 167 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: him yoga. Noreen, who was a yoga teacher, was dumbfounded 168 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: since that also had never been disclosed to the press before. 169 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: As the gosh Is said in an Omaha World Herald 170 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: article a few days later, there was no doubt that 171 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: Banatzi knew some incredible things. And by the end of 172 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: their time together, Noreen and John had little doubt also 173 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: that Banazzi was telling the truth. Not long after their meeting, 174 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: John de Camp hired private investigator Roy Stevens to look 175 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: deeper into Banazzi's claims. Stevens, the founder of an organization 176 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: called the Missing Children's Foundation, had achieved some notoriety the 177 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: year before after getting involved in the case of nine 178 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: year old Jill Cutzel from Norfolk, Nebraska, who disappeared while 179 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: en route to her babysitter's house. Convinced that a local 180 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: man named David Phelps, who lived in the same building 181 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: as the young girl, was responsible for her kidnap and murder, 182 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: Stevens took it on himself to force a confession from him. 183 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: Phelps was eventually convicted of the crime, though questions remain 184 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: over the legitimacy of his coerced confession. Stephen spent hours 185 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: questioning Bonatzi and chased up all manner of leads from 186 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Iowa to Colorado. One lead involved a man from Des 187 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: Moines who Bernatzi claimed had also been involved in Johnny's abduction. 188 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: This man is said to have been an individual that 189 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: the Gosches had been suspicious of for some time, but 190 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: nothing ever came of it. In the early nineteen nineties, 191 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: with the ten year anniversary of Johnny Gosher's appearance approaching, 192 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: producers of the television show America's Most Wanted decided to 193 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: cover his and Eugene Martin's story. The show, which first 194 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: aired in nineteen eighty eight for those who aren't familiar 195 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: with it, ran profiles of fugitives wanted in connection with 196 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: major crimes and coouraged viewers to call in with any 197 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: information that might lead to their capture. The host of 198 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the show at the time was John Walsh, the father 199 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: of Adam Walsh, whose tragic disappearance and murder was discussed 200 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: in Part two. Paul Bonatzi was featured in the episode 201 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: where he was filmed once again relaying his story to 202 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: an agonized Noreene, Expanding on what he'd already told her. 203 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: He went on to claim that many of the children 204 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: had been branded with the symbol that was unique to 205 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: the Chard abuse ring should they ever try to escape. 206 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: He also claimed that when he and the other children 207 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: were ferried about from place to place, they were often 208 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: kept locked away in various safe houses dotted throughout the country. 209 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Bonatzi then led the show's producers to one such place 210 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: in Colorado, where he claimed to have crossed paths again 211 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: with Johnny in nineteen eighty six. The building turned out 212 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: to be an old, abandoned farmhouse in the middle of 213 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 1: the desert. Paul broke down as he approached it, seemingly 214 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: too overcome with emotion to go inside. After eventually going in, 215 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: he then guided the crew down to a large basement 216 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: where he claimed the children had been kept, even pointing 217 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: out where some of them had apparently carved their initials 218 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: into the walls. According to the producers of America's Most Wanted, 219 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: the owner of the house was said to have been 220 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: a former prison guard who had seemingly completely disappeared. However, 221 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: just as it seemed to John de Camp that they 222 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: might finally be getting somewhere, he claimed in the nineteen 223 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: ninety two book he later wrote about it, All The 224 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: Franklin cover Up, Child Abuse, Murder, and Satanism in America, 225 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: Paul Sparrow, the executive producer of America's Most Wanted, soon 226 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: grew anxious about the whole thing. According to DeCamp, Sparrow 227 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: had been told by the FBI that they were not 228 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: willing to assist the show with the story, with the 229 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: implication being that they were unhappy about where the story 230 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: was leading. Since the show benefited hugely from a close 231 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: relationship with the FBI, Sparrow didn't want to force the 232 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: issue and decided to pull back on the alleged Paul 233 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Banatzi connection. Sparrow later said that Johnny Gosh and Eugene 234 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: Martin's case were the ones that haunted him more than 235 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: any other. John DeCamp took all of Banatzi's latest revelations 236 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: to the police, but claimed they were completely uninterested in it. 237 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: The police counted that they had in fact contacted Banazzi's siblings, 238 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: who confirmed that he was with them in Omaha the 239 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: day that Johnny was abducted. A year later, in nineteen 240 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: ninety three, a production crew from Yorkshire Television in the 241 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: United Kingdom were commissioned by the Discovery Channel to make 242 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: a documentary about the child abuse allegations directed at Lawrence King. 243 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: The production team promptly set about digging into the story, 244 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: recording hours of interviews with many of the apparent victims, 245 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: along with their supporters such as John de Camp and 246 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: State Senator Lauren Schmidt, who'd headed the Franklin Credit Union 247 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: Investigation Committee from the Nebraska state government. Shortly before the 248 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: film was finished, however, producer Nick Gray was instructed by 249 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: Discovery to pull the plug on it. Some, including Gray, 250 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: leaved their refusal to broadcast it was all part of 251 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: a deliberate conspiracy to hide the truth of what was 252 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: going on in Nebraska, as others have pointed out. However, 253 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: since the film contained countless sexual abuse related allegations against 254 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: named individuals without any concrete evidence to prove them, it 255 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: is highly unlikely it could have been supported legally either way. 256 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: The film, now known as Conspiracy of Silence, was never broadcast. 257 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: By the end of nineteen ninety three, with the years 258 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: of anguish having finally taken their toll on Narene and 259 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: John's relationship, the couple separated and filed for divorce. 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That's friends without 279 00:20:53,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: the art Best Fiends. In nineteen ninety nine, Paul Bonazzi, 280 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: represented by John De Camp, finally succeeded in bringing a 281 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit against Lawrence E. King, in which he accused 282 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: him of continually subjecting him to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonments, 283 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic rituals, 284 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: as well as forcing him to scavenge for children to 285 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: be a part of King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, 286 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: and forcing him to engage in numerous massochistic orgies with 287 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: other minor children. King was not legally obliged to appear 288 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: in court, and the case was ruled in Bonazi's favor. 289 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: It is sometimes stated that Bonazzi won this case and 290 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: was awarded a million dollars in damages. In truth, how 291 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: in what is known in legal parlance as a default judgment, 292 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: this ruling, which was handed down by a district judge, 293 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: Warren Urban, was merely an automatic ruling which occurs whenever 294 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: the accused party fails to engage with the suit. Banazi 295 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: ultimately received none of the money that was awarded to him, 296 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: likely due to King's legal representatives later arguing successfully that 297 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: the case and its judgment should be annulled. More interesting, however, 298 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: was the testimony that Norien Gosh delivered at the trial. 299 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Having been asked to speak in support of Paul Banazi's claims, 300 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Noreen made the stunning revelation that she had good reason 301 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: to believe Banazi's story because her son Johnny had confirmed 302 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: it to her. With the court collectively Shocked by this admission, 303 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Noreen went on to explain exactly what had happened. Back 304 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: in March nineteen ninety seven. At around two thirty a m. 305 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: She claimed she was awoken by an insistent knocking at 306 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: her front door. When she finally got up to open it, 307 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: she found two sheepish looking young men on her doorstep, 308 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: one of whom introduced himself as Johnnie her Son. In 309 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: a state of shock, Noreen invited the two men inside, 310 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: where the apparent Johnny, who would have been twenty seven 311 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: at the time, proceeded to tell her about everything that 312 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: had happened to him, confirming that he had indeed been 313 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: kidnapped and indoctrinated into a child sex abuse and pornography ring. 314 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: The two men had since escaped together and were in hiding, 315 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: living at an undisclosed location somewhere else in the country. 316 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: Noreen then claimed that she offered to call the police immediately, 317 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: but Johnny had begged her not to, saying that their 318 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: lives would be in danger if anyone from the ring 319 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: ever found out where they were. Before Noreen even made 320 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: it home from court, her testimony was all over the news, 321 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: and everyone seemed to have an opinion on it. How 322 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: on earth had she kept that a secret, they asked, 323 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: And why hadn't she alerted the police or done more 324 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: to make her son stay For Noreen, however, it was simple. 325 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: Johnny had asked her not to tell anyone, and so 326 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: she didn't. Noreen's ex husband, John Gosh Senior, who unlike Noreen, 327 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: had by then begun to reevaluate Paul Banatzi's possible involvement 328 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: in the case, later stated that he was unconvinced by 329 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: nori story. In two thousand nor In Gosh's own account 330 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: of the story, Why Johnny Can't Come Home, was published, 331 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: which helped to raise the profile of the story once more. However, 332 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: in the years that followed, despite the Goshes continuing to 333 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: hire private detectives to keep working on the case, little 334 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: new came to light. That was until one Sunday in 335 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: August two thousand and six. It was August twenty seventh 336 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: of that year when Noreen awoke one morning to find 337 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: an envelope who had been left for her on her 338 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: front doorstep. Inside it, much to her horror, she found 339 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: a series of photographs showing a collection of young boys 340 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: who had all been tied up and gagged. Some of 341 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: the photos showed a group of three boys together, while 342 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: others showed images of a boy on his own, which 343 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: Noreen was utterly convinced was Johnny. In one of the photos, 344 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: whoever had delivered them had ringed what looked like some 345 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of mark on one of the boy's arms and 346 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: labeled it the Brand, a clear reference to the symbol 347 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: that Paul Banazzi alleged many of the apparent victims of 348 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: the child abuse ring had been branded with. Noreen immediately 349 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: took the pictures to West Des Moines Police, after which 350 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: it transpired that other people connected to the case had 351 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: also received the same photographs. In the end, three of 352 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: the children shown in the pictures were traced back to 353 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: a case from nineteen seventy nine in Hillsborough County, Florida, 354 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: long before Johnny's disappearance. The boy in the other images 355 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: was never identified. As of today, it has been forty 356 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: years since Johnny Gosh disappeared. It's whereabouts and the truth 357 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: about what really happened to him remain completely unknown. 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