WEBVTT - Extra! Extra! Ouija’ll About It!10.28.25 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.240 Jack Get in your paranormal studies, have you encountered any 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.080 Matilda's any people with Matilda powers? Oh? 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.480 That is a great question. I mean there's been a 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:20.120 Matilda adjacent people. But honestly, if I heard about Matilda, 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.680 if somebody came to me claiming to be Matilda, I 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:24.480 think I'd be skeptical of them right off the bat. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.000 Yeah, right, right right? Read so good that you can 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:33.560 move things with your mind? Come on, exactly, chocolate cake 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:38.600 thrown at your teacher or whatever? That didn't you do that? Yeah? 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.720 I mean there's a I know that somebody made it 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.479 was forced to eat a cake. She's like starts out 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.680 with the standard gateway crime of spilling water on this 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.880 on her teacher, but then it moves on to chocolate 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.840 cake and then writing spooky message on the board with 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.160 her brain. That's a good one. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.200 I mean that cake scene was supposed to be torturous, 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:00.800 but I feel like I can handle it. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.520 I know, one of the best looking cakes in cinema history. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.880 Did they make it look so good? It's delicious? I 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:08.160 don't know. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.120 I feel like just food and movies always looks good, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.640 like the when in Jurassic Park when they get back into. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:16.959 The visitors Jello, all of it, the ice ice cream, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.039 because it's melty ice cream too. Just oh, it's just 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.479 the way they're fucking their way. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.240 Yeah yeah, And I think what those kids are gone 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:33.480 for like fucking ten hours at that point, right, But anyway, 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:34.040 that's mine. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.000 I'm about to eat, doctor Grant. I was so hungry 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.119 out there, Bro, you were gone for three hours. Tell 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.679 you one bit of food that didn't look like it 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.520 tastes good. In Jurassic Park, Samuel L. Jackson, that guy's 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.680 smoking so much. I bet I bet the dinosaurs spit 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.640 him right out. I think you're gonna say that pile 0:01:52.680 --> 0:02:06.240 of shit. Nobody was checking for that. Hello the Internet, 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.200 and welcome to season four to twelve, Episode two of 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.240 Didi's Eight Guys. This is a production of iHeart Radio's 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.600 the podcast where you take a deep dive into america 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.760 Shared consciousness, and this week that shared consciousness got cobwebs 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.440 in it. The spookiest thing that anything can have. Talking 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.120 about virgins, talking about virgins, Yo, we light a candle 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.520 if you're a virgin in Salem. Talking about yesterday's episode 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.639 in hocus Pocus, how everybody keeps roasting that fourteen year 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.880 old boy for being a virgin, including his six year 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.760 old sister. I have not seen that movie in a while. Apparently, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.000 Oh yeah, I hadn't either. I saw when I was 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.799 a kid, and I was just like getting slammed as 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.840 a fourteen year old as a fold for being a 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.200 virgin by children like and then by a ghost of 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.040 a Puritan. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:53.280 Yeah. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.000 I think it's weird that this guy hasn't fucked yet. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.160 Famously, the Puritans would not think that, hence the name. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.600 That's right, although there is a I talked about this episode, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.400 but there is a school of thought that thinks that 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.680 the Puritans had so many rules about not having sex 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.760 because they were fucking so much that eyewitnesses like the 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:21.960 obvious he's doing fucking public anymore. Yes, that's funny. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.000 That Puritan's name Factory Binks. I was like, what a 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:26.800 fucking dumb name, dude. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.959 Oh come on, man, they ate with that. Factory Binks 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.800 is like fucking that's like George Lucas level bullshit name. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.840 I forgot to I forgot to bring this up with 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.200 the actor who plays the kid Max. I think the 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.440 main kid he's now just like in a like he's 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.480 just like a weed grow did. Yeah, we'd get hell yeah, yeah. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.440 I mean, it's better than the fate of a lot 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.160 of nineties actors where they're yeah yeah, shot up with 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.800 gas station or something. That's like, I feel like half 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.000 of the people I saw in movies that I liked 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:55.720 as a kid. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:01.880 And want to oh starters like half the Power Rangers. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.920 You know, you don't know. We could open that wikuld 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.360 be up and see it written in the past tense, 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.640 you know what I mean. No, yeah, by the way, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.160 it says he was an actor, and I'm like, uh oh, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:18.040 but he's fully on weed dude company off the ground exactly. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.200 No disrespect. He's probably making so much more money in 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:21.520 the week. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.400 I don't know. Basically, I'm looking. I was, I was, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:28.200 I was trolling his I g did not seem that popping. Yeah, okay, well, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.120 at least I'm hoping he's happy. The update was that 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.919 he still keeps in touch with some of the people 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.400 who were in Hocus Pocus with him. That's like one 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.960 of the And here's what we know of him now 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.520 because they kill it at the cons. They go do signings. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:42.800 they want they want to meet him. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.520 Here's something about hocus Pocus, I could share by all means, 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.479 I remember being very attracted to Sarah Jessica Parker's character 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:51.360 in it when I was a kid. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.640 What's wrong with you? Why? What? What was going on? 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.480 But I've never had that experience with any other Sarah 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.640 Jessica Parker role. Yeah, And I don't even know if 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.760 I realized it was her, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.360 It was the thicker eyebrows. You know what I mean, 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.039 maybe you didn't have as thick an eyebrow. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.880 Yeah, that was gonna be my guess to the thicker eyebrows. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.480 It's like specifically the witch version of her and no 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:15.120 other role. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.479 I mean, I followed her her body of work for 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.520 many years. It's one of her better performances. Like she 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.599 she gives a great performance. She fully embodies that kind 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.520 of dizzy, silly, off balance character. Yes, yeah, yeah, we have. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.440 Do people give their flowers a Kathya Gemie enough? Not nearly? 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.360 So she's doing like a weird mouth thing in that 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.240 one where she like only has control of one side 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.640 of her mouth. Never explained, just a bit of business 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.320 for herself to be doing. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.640 Gmmis insane. Pol I don't know if you guys have 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.240 IMDb in front of you, or if you just have encyclopedic. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.600 No again, she was his sister. Aye, that's killed it, sister. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.240 Never forget Kathy a Gmians. But yeah, there's something about 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.560 Sarah Jesaca Parker's makeup, even though like it's pretty. It's 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.880 not like she's wearing prosthetics or anything. But I watched 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.320 it with my family yesterday and my wife, who's like 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:12.440 very IMDb brained and like has like facial recognition technology 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.920 and her brain was surprised that it was Sara Jessica Parker. Yeah, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.440 it never happens. Can't catch her sleeping on. It's the 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.719 darker eye makeup and eyebrows, I'm telling you. Anyways, it 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.239 is Tuesday, October twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Yeah, three 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.240 days from the spookiest day of the year. Oh hell 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.680 yeah I do. But of course what are we celebrating. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.760 Oh, it's also a National first Responder's Day, National Internal 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.640 Medicine Day, Wow, very very healthy, real safety. And also 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.880 National Chocolate Day that feels more in line with the 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.200 week of Halloween. It's National Chocolate Day. That feels there's 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.479 so many there's like forty National Chocolate Day. I was 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.040 gonna say, I feel like there's a lot too many. Yeah, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.800 to tie those things together. A block from where I'm 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.960 recording is a place that I think is very strange. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.280 It's a dispensary. It has dispensary, but it's a chocolate dispensary. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.480 They do not really. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.560 Oh yeah, dispensary. I know what you're talking about. It 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.640 it's and it's a place. I think we brought it 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.120 up on the show to where before you have been 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.880 on Jack. But like the people in there, like I've 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.720 heard the owner really hates that people think there's weed 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.120 in there, even though it's a real type. 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.600 Of guy to be to start business Los Angeles and 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.640 your business has dispensary on it, It's like, why. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.000 Would you are the edibles? I mean, yes, they're all edible. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.560 It's like the guy starts a root beer store and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.680 the scientist a big neon sign says beer cold to 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:42.360 be thinking there's Pacifico's here, what the yeah? 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.880 But indeed it's just part of the Like chocolate is 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:50.240 a drug kind of loved in the late nineties where 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.960 it's like I'm a chocoholic. I can't stop I. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.600 Think it's meant to just be like very just like 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.280 the most buy the book definition of a dispensary, you 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.560 know what I mean, it's how they look at their place. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.960 Anyway. They got it from me. The weed stores got 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.600 it from me. Anyways. My name is Jack O'Brien aka 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:17.360 Jackhammer Killer oh Dan of course courtesy of Snarfila on 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.600 the Treehouse of Horror's nickname this is I discovered a 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.240 reference to a two thousand and four film called The 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.640 Jackhammer Massacre. I think I have to assume that's who 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.160 The Jackhammer Killer is about, a guy who you guessed 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.199 it uses a jackhammer to kill people. It does sound 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.760 like he's the protagonist, Like it's a you follow his dissent. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.480 He's like a businessman and his friend dies and that 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.640 like sends him over the edge. So it's like a 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.920 Michael Douglas falling down American psycho situation. He is, and 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.000 this is a spoiler alert for anybody who's planning on 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.200 checking it out, he is ultimately undone by the fact 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.560 that the jackhammer needs to be plugged in. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:02.320 If it comes unplugged, God, is that even true? I mean, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:05.920 I feel like they have need my power than that. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.160 Yeah, I would have assumed that it is just something 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.720 you like edit out, but they were like, no, this 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.199 is gonna be the crux. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.920 Of Oh okay, wait no, he's probably using like a 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:19.360 more handheld jackhammer, like, uh okay, interesting he doesn't have 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.520 like a cordless Makida option. It's a yeah, I would 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.960 miss my probably made before the cordless era. I guess 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.679 two thousand and four. You'd think or like a gas 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.040 powered one, you know what I mean, where you could 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.079 do like a scary like rip the cord and it's 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.440 like instead, it was like, hold on, let me plug 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.400 this in really like a like a hot glue bull. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.280 Hey you got a fifty foot extension. That's what happens. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:50.560 The cord comes unflugged. That does if I were a slasher. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.520 That does sound like the sort of ship that would 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.640 get me caught up over the house and then find 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.599 an outlet. That's really funny. Oh, it's one of the 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.160 ones that attached to the light switch, so I have 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.080 to like turn the lights on to get the quigged in. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:10.439 It's a too prong's you don't have gfcason here. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.480 Yeah, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:19.240 co host, mister Miles Gras. It's Miles Gray Gay trust dementia, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.360 Trust got dementia, Trust got dementia. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.640 Trus got dementia, or Truans got dementia, or Trum's got dementia, 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.840 but dementia trus dementia. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:27.960 Okay, shout out to me. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.200 This morning, we were talking about intergalactic we were talking 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.960 about Jack coming on. We're talking about intergalactic ship, and 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.480 then we were also talking about that we would have 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:43.200 also accepted another dementia, another dementia because we got two 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:44.120 presidents in a row. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.239 Baby, everyone's got dementia. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.600 Baby, if you gotta be on the hill, you gotta 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:55.800 have rocket dementia. Congress by dementia. Yeah, Congress too. It's 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.440 so many of them. We have the geriatric Congress night 0:10:58.520 --> 0:10:59.440 right now. It's crazy. 0:10:59.640 --> 0:10:59.840 Yeah. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.400 I mean, I think people who have who can barely 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.240 know if they're going to be alive for the next 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.720 three months, be dictating what the future looks like ten 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.440 years from now. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.559 Get them out of here. Get them all out of here. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.640 I'm just going, I'm sorry, I'm agist. Get him out 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.640 for something at a certain hundred percent. Yah, get them 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.480 out of there agism is just like I don't. I'm 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.560 worried for them. I got it. And every time there's 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.280 a video of Mitch McConnell, like, I'm like, is he 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.480 going to make it through this video, let alone the day? 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:35.480 Like it's harrowing. Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.080 in our third seat once again by the director, journalist, 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.800 and hosts behind one of the great podcasts. It is 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.800 about as I think he put it the first time. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.079 He was on the fact that the world is queerer 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.760 than many of us suppose, indeed, queer than many of 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:56.640 us can suppose. It's called other world. He's called Jack Wagner. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.079 To be clear, I did not say that, but thank 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.720 you for having me on the show. It's a pleasure 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.000 as always to be here. I did not call my 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.280 show queer. If I did, it would be in a 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.080 positive way. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:11.160 Yes, yeah, yes, that fake quote, I thought, Man, did 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.520 you actually think time? Did you actually think I said 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.559 that I had that quote and maybe it was something 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.800 that I thought was I think it was being used 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.440 to describe the paranormal. Wait, that's me. I said. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:28.840 It's original, it's giving pre nineteen hundred. Yes, for sure, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.800 for sure, for sure, but I'll take it. I'll take 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:31.640 it's a good quote. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.120 It's a good quote. Quote sums up some of my 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:35.240 favorite parts of you. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.199 Although you should start doing that to every guest is 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.600 kind of like ye and see what they do with 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.080 it if it's a good quote, Like I mean, sometimes 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.000 you might want to take credit. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.719 Why not? You know? Yeah, Jack, thank you so much 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.239 for coming back. You think you any travels and travails 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.320 since you were last we wanted to have you on 0:12:55.320 --> 0:13:00.480 on the spookiest of weeks. Thank you. Your podcast is 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.440 so good. We're gonna end up just being like, man, 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.080 you remember that episode that was crazy and sometimes I 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.120 might not remember it, which is the craziest part. True, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.040 is that real, dude? So we're gonna We're gonna basically 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.920 do that in the body of the episode. Hell yeah. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.720 But first we do like to get to know our 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.440 guests a little bit better by asking you, what is 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.719 something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.960 Okay, this is I have an answer to this. It's 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.959 a it's a layered response though, and this actually it 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.720 sort of caused a lot of reflection for me. I 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:41.040 searched through my Google search history. Normally this should be horrifying, right, like, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.880 this is not something you want even your significant other 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:49.800 to access. I was scrolling through mine, dead serious, completely dry. 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.720 It would dox me. So I'm not gonna let you look, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.240 but I would let you look. It's that boring. I 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.120 had to scroll three weeks back to find something interesting, dude, 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.000 I'm telling. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.280 You how mundane it was. I was like, literally for 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.760 bigger right foot, not even that dry. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.880 I was just like purely looking up like addresses, and 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.000 I'm like, oh, right, dinner in Echo Park just that, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.360 and then like kind of googling just facts to confirm, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:20.200 like spellings of things, no spice whatsoever, just no flavor, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.560 no fun, no wild cards. I was looking at this 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.200 and had to go three weeks back in the history 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:32.280 to find something, you know, off color, funny, weird. But 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.160 I'm like, dude, I think I need to get to 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:36.640 I need to go back to my roots and get 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:37.960 a little weirder because this is. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.280 The last three weeks. I yeah, hold a mirror up 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.120 to you that you didn't. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:45.400 Know nothing even embarrassing. Damn, I think even embarrassing. I'm like, oh, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:46.000 I mean. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.720 Ones do flies? 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.560 Fuck, that's a great search. See, I don't even have 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.520 any of that, dude, And I mean, I don't know. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.120 I mean, and part of it just sort of reveals 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.080 my own ignorance. But that's the fun of it, right, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.560 just being transparent about how little I know about how 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:00.600 flies copulate? 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.920 Do they? Is it? I feel like it must be 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.760 an egg situation in the larva, right, that's what you think. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.120 Until I caught him banging outside on a chair. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.360 I was, and I was like, how are they hit it? Oh? 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.160 Yeah, like straight from the like from the back. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.360 some interesting on another fly the female uses like an 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.280 egg two to like it's it's very interesting. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.200 Anyway, So you got nothing very dry? No? No, okay, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.000 so I scrolled where did you get? No? 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.600 I did find one? Oh god, yeah, I I'm Stephen 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.000 looking at it right now. This is uh so embarrassing. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.920 I'm like looking up sponsors, like you know, you guys 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.800 do ads, like I'm sure you have to go through 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.760 the approvals of like brands that could be advertising on 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.160 the show. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:45.120 I'm just googling that. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:50.160 But anyway, the little ultra evil. Yes, But the one 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.240 I found that I do think is funny is can 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.000 water go bad? 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:54.840 Mm? 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.200 Yeah? This is not a question for me, but I 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.800 did want to know. This was like something I was 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.880 arguing with my wife about. She thinks water could go bad. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.280 I'm like, they get the bottles, you know what I mean, Like, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.080 that's that's what we read. How long a cup sitting 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.560 out in the house? How long sitting there until you 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:14.200 can't drink it? 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.480 I mean you probably just evaporate at that point. I'm 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.200 more thinking like a bottle of water, like, oh, that 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.680 ship said drink by like ninety eight. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.000 Yeah, that's another good question. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.840 I mean, if it's plastic, I would be a little 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.280 concerned that tasting. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.200 Like plastic is usually like my if it If it 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.760 tastes like plastic, you usually that happens if it's like 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:41.240 been in a car like for fifteen cycles of like the. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.440 Moon, well fifteen moon cycles. Yeah, yeah, let me ask you. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.640 That's like water. There's like a cup of water on 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.160 the side of your bed, yes, from the night before? 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:49.720 Yeah? 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.720 Would you drink it the next night if it was 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.760 there and available and you needed it. I don't get 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.040 in the plants tastes like room. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:56.440 Tastes like room. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.840 Okay, it tastes like there, it absorbs like be fucking 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.960 in that. I don't care about that. It just tastes 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.840 like room. Tastes like the room, like an overnight cup. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:06.639 I don't know. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.000 Maybe I would get a little tiny bubbles on the foot. Yeah, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.439 it just gets It's just a little stale. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.479 I guess that's how I think. Yeah, this is just 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:14.280 something I wanted to know. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.840 You know, Wait, so is there an answer no that 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.359 it cannot like what scenario? 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.200 Because I forgot? Can't water go bad? 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.320 I mean no, I think it's the answer is no, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.360 but like I think it's oh wait, yes, water can 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.679 come back. Technically, the water itself does not expire. The 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.720 main issue are contaminants from the container or outside sources, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.680 degradation of the canar itself over time, especially if exposed 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.800 to heat or sunlight. So you know, we were not 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:40.760 far off, far off. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:41.000 Yeah. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.439 Yeah. The thing that I'm always imagining happening is I 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.760 took a sip my mouth, germs have like somehow invaded 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.639 and started to colonize the wall, and it's going to 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.320 just be like bad bread in there. It's just like 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.680 that inside your body, right, yeah, exactly, So I should 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.640 be fine, but none, none of the les us. I'm 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.200 like I'll take a this is for the plants. Now, 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.960 this is for the kids. I put it in my kids. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:11.800 A little cooler with your mouth, exactly? Do we pass 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:16.760 our legacy along? What is something you think is underrated? Jack? 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.200 Waking up early is underrated? Waking up early? 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.520 I like, I'm a big fan of waking up super early. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.119 How up before sunrise if possible? So Mark, some like 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.960 Mark Wahlberg, shit not on that. I mean, that's crazy. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.120 In fact, I'll say I will say that being buff 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:34.840 is overrated. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.120 Mm hmmm. Waking up early under that's crazy because most 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.960 people that are fucking jacked, dude, are waking up early. Man, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.240 you and a bunch of jacked people who are awake 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.479 and moving at the time that you're waking up. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.760 I mean, yeah, I think you know the gym crowd 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.200 they have to do and there are there are the 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.600 late night gym people. That's right, some serious jack dudes 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.760 will be in there at like weird hours, like a 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.000 let and thirty working out. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.919 You know. Yeah, so you gotta get three hours of 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.120 workout in every day, you know, you got to pick 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:06.879 your spots. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.040 Yeah, yeah, But I would say, I'll yeah, I'll keep 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.399 with this line and say that being buff is overrated. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.080 I mean, look, I think, uh, if you are buff, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.840 more power to you. I think so much of it 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:24.800 is genetics, you know. In fact, like Matthew McConaughey I 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.720 think was like quoted saying that he just like kind 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.000 of randomly bangs out push ups throughout the day and 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:31.640 like doesn't really have a routine. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.959 I think it was. But it's like, yeah, there are 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.280 guys who just kind of look like that just genuinely 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.120 looks great without a shirt on since he was like 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:40.160 ten years old. 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.919 Yeah, and then like for your resisting nature, it's like 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.840 really really hard to change it. But yeah, I mean 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.199 I think it's overrated. Like like to to really be 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.600 that shredded, it's like a full time job. Yeah, that's 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.040 a lot of time, a lot of dedication. I'm like 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:03.360 it's crazy, and we have a Yeah, training is overrated. 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:04.240 I'll just say that. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.920 America's obsessed training, now, you know. I mean like that's yeah, 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.680 I mean ethos, social media, like it's like gym talk 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.240 kind of ship. Yeah, I mean there's like the whole 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.320 hybrid thing between like the CrossFit like military adjacent I 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.240 think there's like a there's like a certain type of 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.680 person that like, uh works out in a stolen valor 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:28.280 type of way. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.399 I don't know in their mind. Maybe I don't know 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:32.960 where I'm going. 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:34.920 With this, but uh, you know, I think there's guys, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.720 well I think there's a huge chunk of America that 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.639 they're like training for something that's gonna they think might happen, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:41.879 and it's just never gonna happen. 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:42.080 You know. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.600 It's the same thing with like the gun guys training 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.199 the weapons, like they're doing like the tactical training. You know, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.399 they're buying all the gear. They're like kind of waiting 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.520 for the ship to hit the fan. But yeah, now 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.840 they just have to join ice ship that rarely hits 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.280 the fan. Yeah, well now they have that, they have 0:20:58.320 --> 0:20:58.960 that outlet. 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:01.240 But it seem like it's the buff guys or the 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.000 guys who are training with guns that are doing I 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:06.159 think fitness. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.639 Yeah, I think you could let a lot of you 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:09.959 could waste a lot of time training. 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:16.080 Yeah, you know, yeah, everybody is in the movies. Everyone's buff. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:21.480 Now it's just like you know, the like objectively does 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.439 Iron Man? Does it make sense that Tony Stark is 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.359 like a jacked dude, like he's supposed to be. 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:30.399 It doesn't matter a scientist because at his most potent 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.880 form is some jacked iron body and. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:38.800 The like he's over. He's compensating for the physical realities 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.959 by creating this like metal body that can encase him. 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.640 It would make more sense if he was a skinny 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.360 you know, you're right scientially, But instead they were like, dude, 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.320 you're gonna need to spend a year get starting to 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.280 look like Superman, drinking goat and mill. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:57.879 If he was in the suit all the time, he 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:03.480 would have almost no muscle mass point Yeah, yeah, because 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.240 like he wouldn't be using his muscles. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.920 Yeah, it would be amazing. Victory the superproduser Victor said 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.399 he would have Elon Musk's body type. Amazing damn I 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:17.800 god fit giant Torso Jarvis a just mid section please 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:19.840 there's I mean. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.480 It's funny though, too, because I think we were talking 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.359 about this last week about how all the leading men 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.320 are just so fucking rich with everyone fucking body fat, 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.399 and I'm like on gear though, yeah, I was like, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.800 but remember, like Kevin Costner was like the fucking height 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.840 of it, Like in Americans, like, oh god, this guy 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.800 that looks like he doesn't work out ever, and just 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:39.520 that's the ideal. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:46.119 Yeah, like he's like naturally fit enough. Okay, here's a 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.359 good Google search Kevin Costner shirtless. See that would have 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.760 been I'm looking at right now. He looked there's the 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.800 one with the chest hair right, Oh, I mean hill 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:55.000 him in Bull Durham. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:55.520 That's like. 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.560 That's kind of like where you want to be. That's 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.000 a good place to be as a guy. I mean, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.800 you could get a little more muscle, but you know 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.919 my ideal body type Kevin Costner and Bull Durham. Yeah, 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.399 it's like not a ton of muscle, but he's looking good. 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.040 You know. Yeah, buff doesn't work all the time. Though 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:13.520 it's not bad. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.000 There's a way that there's like a six pack if 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.400 you're not meant to have one spiritually, it's like not good. 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:18.920 Yeah. 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.240 You ever seeing somebody that like works really hard to 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.480 get one. Then you see it and you're like, did 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:25.720 not expect you to have that? And I don't know 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:26.440 if I feel. 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.800 Comfortable with it? What the fuck? What do you do? 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:30.480 You know what I'm saying, You're at the end of 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.000 the beach and it's like a really pasty dude. It 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.880 almost looks he has a photoshopped set of abs on. 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:41.720 It's creepy. Yeah, that's Jack. I'm just looking the photoshopped 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.280 as well. You tape the photo on your stomach. But 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:48.520 I'm just remembering the Kevin Costner swimming in a in 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:52.680 Robin Hood. He's like taking a bath in a waterfall. 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.800 And that is the reverse of the Iron Man, where 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.840 it's like, wait, this doesn't make sense that he would 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.840 be this Jack. It's he's like supposed to be the 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.640 fucking hottestitude ever. He's like getting out of a shower, 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.960 out of you know, the equivalent, the Robinhood equivalent of 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.640 the shower, which is a waterfall. And like Maid Marian 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.359 is like visibly being like, oh god, I'm looking at this. 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.320 D Yeah, dude, how are you gonna say that? He 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.160 looks like, you know, this is normal, looks like regular. Yeah. Yeah, 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:29.680 he's like extra regular, extra me Robin Hood bringing back 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.119 extra regular. Yeah. Oh wow, was this ass out in 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.719 the movie? His asses out, remember, and he has tand lines. 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.120 I know. Yeah, I guess. 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.280 The sun is strong out there in Sherwood for us. 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.560 All right, we're gonna, we're gonna, you got there. I 0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.000 imagine this is normal saddle show. But yeah, yeah, this 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:52.119 is about so yeah Kevin Costs and. 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.239 Our shirtless Let's take a quick break and we'll come 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:10.800 back and talk about Oija. We'll be right back, and 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.920 we're back. We're back. And uh. You did a couple 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.920 episodes on WIGE Awards, yes a year ago or so 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.560 and then a more recent one where you cover the 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.120 phenomenon of Zozo and Zaza. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.879 Who I mean, it's funny, it's it is funny. The 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.520 aren't The episodes aren't funny, they're scary, but they are spooky. 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.640 I was getting spooked. It's getting downright spooked to listen 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.480 to those things. It's kind of like, he reminds me, 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.320 have you ever been in a meeting where like someone 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:48.639 zoom bombs it, like usually a teenager fuck you, like 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.359 just as the worst thing they could think of in 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:53.920 that That's really funny though. 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.800 That's like such a twenty twenty kind of It was 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.399 a real zoom bombing. 0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.920 It was a it was a real pandemic thing. Yeah, 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.800 and that kind of feels like, what's happening. It's like 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:09.560 these two malevolent spirits that keep and so here. The 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:15.639 thing that is creepy about it is that you're taught 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.800 you the format of your shows. You talk to people 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:23.080 who they then tell their story of this thing that 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:27.760 resists sort of explanation happening to them, and so it's 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.359 like almost an oral tradition. You get to hear the 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:35.400 story from them. It adds a real like layer of 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.440 like I don't know that's this is like it's hard 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.119 to deny when people are like, yeah, so like I 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.080 was in high school, like this is the weird shit 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.440 that I was doing, and then like this thing started happening. 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:54.000 And in this case that like people were fucking around 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.639 with Wiji boards and like they started having these like 0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.480 really dark messages come through and it was Zozo in 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.880 the episodes from last year was like what they kept 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.560 it kept going zo zo zo and like they they 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.760 didn't realize it at the time, but like you do 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.320 the research and this is a there's a trend across 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.680 people who fuck around with Wigi boards of like this 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:17.960 specific thing happened. 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:21.879 Oh and Zaza is like a common Ouiji board. 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.960 It's like a very common thing, very common. There's like 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.800 a movie called I Am Zozo that I think is 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.720 like not very well reviewed. I think it's like a 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.560 thirteen percent rotten tomato situation, but a classic. But yeah, 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.240 this is like a massive thing, and you know, I 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.000 had heard of it, Like I I think I had 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.399 heard of like the concept just from being on the 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.080 internet or something. But it's totally something that I would 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:51.000 completely laugh at and not want to do on the show. 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.800 Yeah, I think you were consciously making up names. Those 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:55.960 would not be the names you came in. 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:57.919 Sounds like a big name that like a thirteen year 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.080 old girl she's like to write a horror movie for 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:02.600 the first time, like a like. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:03.920 A five year old that lies a lot. 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:11.320 Yeah, yeah, exactly, but it is weird, And yeah, I 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.240 started getting a lot of emails about it, and then 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.320 you know, obviously people I ended up interviewing had like 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:24.040 really intense stories that involve this, and apparently it's really 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.280 common for something to kind of like take over on 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.760 the board and identify itself by this name. 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:31.640 And yeah, I guess that was. 0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.919 Like where it turned for me, is when I was 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:35.959 starting to talk to people who like weren't aware that 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:40.120 this is a phenomena that's known, and even things that 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:44.480 kind of like happened before the anybody was talking about 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.800 this at all on the internet. 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:50.200 Yeah, so my read like heading in was more like 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:55.280 I think weedi words are super interesting because I do 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:59.080 think like they're you know, like like skeptics will be like, oh, 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.280 it's just like people you know, moving the thing on purpose, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:07.040 and I tend to think it's like more they're moving 0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.560 it and don't realize they're doing it, and so this 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:14.040 like part of them is being expressed that they don't 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.400 have access to or like control over, you know, like 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.720 it's like a sort of YOUNGI in like some part 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:22.840 of and in this case, it would be like a 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.920 shared unconscious because they all have the same name and 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:30.920 like this that is associated with the same like dark energy. Yeah, 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.320 which I think like that doesn't explain everything, but I 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.120 do think it's easy. Like this comes up a lot 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:41.920 on our show in reference to like the story of 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.600 Havana syndrome, where everyone was like, oh, they were making 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.360 it up, and it's like, I don't think they were 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:53.000 intentionally making it up. Like I think they experienced those 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:57.280 realities of like a bad thing like getting hit with 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.760 a sound beam or being like under attack by some 0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:03.840 like invisible force that it turns out as like kind 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.120 of physically impossible to have happened. 0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.160 But like they I know, I'm sorry to force a detour, 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.320 but they ever find a solution for that? 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.160 Was there any closure? It's not like officially, but you know, 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:22.840 you as documents have been released the CIA themselves and 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.920 and like the different departments, the Pentagon, like prior to 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.080 the Trump takeover, all seemed to be like, we don't 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.800 think there was any like physical basis for these attacks, 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.880 and these are our organizations that would seemingly love a 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.560 physical basis for an attack that they could, you know, 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.160 start getting funding around. 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.719 Because I heard compelling explanations on both sides of it. 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.160 Like I first encountered it as something that was just 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:52.320 complete nonsense. It was like evil CIA people having like 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:58.640 maybe internalized guilt for the horrible things to right at work. Yeah, 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:02.600 but you know, but then I've also heard some stuff 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.320 that was really compelling on the other side, Like there's 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.800 I listened to it like a series where it interviewed 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.440 some people who had experienced it in a town. Isn't 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.480 really intense, but anyway, you could continue with your point. 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.680 I didn't. I think that that's true. I think that 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.000 they experienced harrowing things. I think I think the power 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.880 of the unconscious mind is like the great underrated force 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:28.160 of people's existence. And I think like ritual and you know, 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.160 all these things that we don't really make room for officially, 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:35.400 as like mattering in our world. In a lot of cases, 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.240 like are ways of accessing that. And I think I 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.200 just think that people are like, if it's their own 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:48.080 conscious mind, then it's like skeptic skeptic view not interesting. 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.640 And I think that's actually like really interesting, Like that's 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.840 kind of what's going on. But there are definitely parts 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:59.920 of the story that would make it like impossible for that. 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:04.720 Like there's one part where it predicts that they're they're 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.160 at like a high school movie screening on a football field, 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.840 and it is like it predicts that the projector is 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.920 about to go down and it does. Yeah, right, Yeah. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.040 There's a ton of stuff like that. 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.360 And I mean also the fact that in that story 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.680 this occurred before this whole Zozo thing was like a 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.120 trend like a decade before. 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:26.280 Yeah. 0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.120 And then the other thing is like the basis for 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.600 pooh pooing wig aboards as they say, it's like the 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:36.200 ideo motor effect. It's like this idea that like microscopic 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.960 muscle movements in a group can like guide the thing 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.040 the plan chet. But and that's you know, like the 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.440 idio motor effect is like a real thing. I'm pretty 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.880 sure it's been like proven to exist. But if you 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:55.040 look at the board like ZO, like Z is all 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.280 the way at the end, oh is not equally the 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.080 at the end on the opposite side, it's like one roller. 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.040 So I just think, like if you guys, if like 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.040 like I know, people explain it away by saying like, oh, 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.040 it's just sort of like in the downtime between you know, 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.120 the radio motor effect spelling out a word, people just 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.680 kind of like go to the side to side pattern 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:15.040 and hit that. 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.280 I'm like, I just don't think it would hit z 0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.360 O or ZA for that matter. Right, it's two specifics 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.280 things from each other. Yeah, it's too common. It's too 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.600 common out I would expect to see other patterns of 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.560 that sort. And that's sort of what I I kind 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:32.760 of come to those conclusions a lot on the show 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.560 where I'm very open to looking at it both ways, 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.560 but sort of like, well, I would expect to see more, 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.560 like I'm same with like the hat Man stuff right 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.000 down the hat Man stuff. The hat Man is this 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:52.480 very common shadow figure that people see oftentimes in sleep prolysis, 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:56.080 but people see it not during sleep parroalysis. It's just 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.120 the shadow shadow man that looks like he's wearing like 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.280 a wide brimmed and sometimes he has red eyes. There's 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:03.920 like another thing that I would have laughed at and 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.640 thought was corny until I realized like how common this is. 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:11.040 And it's like a localized thing because I mean I've 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.640 I seen it was all over the place, right, so, 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.840 and that's kind of what makes it sort of interesting. 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.600 It's not just like, well, these group of kids over 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.920 here SA when they're fucking around with ambient or something. 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:21.279 It's like, no, this is it. 0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:23.600 Oh yeah, there's that too, Yeah, the benda dryl thing. 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.799 But but yeah that. And then in sleep paralysis, there's 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.040 like a few common things people see. The other one 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.040 is like the old Hag, which is like this woman 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:35.840 sitting on you. And then this is sort of the 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.160 same thing, but like the Mayor the night This is 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.799 like the origin for the term nightmare. Is this thing 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.640 sitting on you and holding you down. But anyway, there's 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.080 like is it a horse? The mayor is a horse? 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.120 I think at one point it was like a horse. Yeah, 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.680 kind of like demon thing. I think that's what it 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:55.160 might have been. 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:56.160 Damn. 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.200 But yeah, it's a really old term. But they're like 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.480 pretty much every culture has a similar thing to this, 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.080 and they're all similar looking, like seeing this old woman 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.960 on you or in the case of the hat man, 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:12.080 how widespread that is. So circling back to the unconscious talk, 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:17.239 if it was just like the human unconscious whatever that means, 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.160 by the way, right, generating this, you'd expect to see 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.400 a lot more variation, especially throughout time and culture. Like 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.120 I would be very, very surprised, you know, I just 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.040 said that the whole the origin of the term nightmare 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.840 comes from this phenomenon. You would expect going back that 0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.040 far that like fears would change enough. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.880 Why would we have like why wouldn't it be uh tesla? 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:43.960 You know, that's what we get around. We don't get 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.840 around in uh on horses anymore. We get around on 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:48.839 so like, wow, why would it still be a horse? 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.560 Why would it be a guy with a big hat 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:53.080 that like is not a style people wear anymore. 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.319 I would expect to see more like micro trends with it, 0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:57.240 if that makes sense. 0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:58.360 Yeah, totally. 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:04.440 Yeah, and between cultures and stuff. So yeah, that's those 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.160 are the kind of things that interest me, you know. 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:10.360 And and those two things I did laugh off at first, 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.839 but then kind of reluctantly dug into them, like, oh, 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.359 this is pretty interesting actually and frightening. So I don't 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.719 really know what it is. It's funny that, I mean, 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.239 I think it's sort of a stupid name. I wanted 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.280 to think of another name for that episode besides Zaza, 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.600 Like it killed me to call it Zaza. But that's like, 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.640 I don't know, I think that's interesting though, when it's 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.799 a scary thing that like I'm you know, I'm I'm 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.080 normally somebody that would think it's completely stupid, but the 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.360 story is compelling enough that like pulls me to the 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.879 other side, right, And it's kind of a goofy sounding name, 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.240 but this is that I guess that makes it scarier 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.920 in a way. You're like, no, not Zaza physical well, 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.320 it is like something that like you would kind of 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.200 laugh at it first, you know, totally. 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.400 I mean, I think that's kind of like the experience 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.080 of listening to your show, Like I remember last time 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.200 You're on was kind of like I think you were 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.480 just getting in to like the Them series of episodes 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:08.680 and like I'm I'm I'm very skeptical, Like I'm I'm 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.280 one of those people who like even though like Japan 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:15.319 I'm Japanese, there's like very rich ghost like you know, 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.520 spooky culture there that I'm like, nah, I'm not, I'm 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:23.080 not seeing any of this stuff. But like in listening 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:24.560 to your show, because I mean, like I remember when 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.120 you're on Last Time, you're sort of like, I don't 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.799 necessarily believe in everything or at all. It's more just 0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:33.640 like it's it's really interesting to hear these people describe 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.640 these events that have happened and them experience them. Yeah, 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.960 and Them one is by far one of the most 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.200 fucking out there things I've ever heard in my life. 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:45.200 If you like, give like a you know, like a 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.040 three line description of it so people kind of understand 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:49.600 what I'm about to, like get into here. 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.320 And real quick. Before you were, before we started recording, 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.239 you were had to answer a text message. I have 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.720 to assume it was from one of the interdimension them. 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.440 Yeah, how do you know, I will say interesting timing. 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.040 The girl from that series is visiting right now. She's 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:09.400 in town, so I met her in person. Yeah, so 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:12.200 by meetup man, you could look up. Yeah, maybe you'll 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:13.840 see her walking around in the neighborhood. 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.840 Yeah, but I mean yeah, like sort of give a 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.920 light breakdown, because I think it's really interesting to listen 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.160 whether or not you believe in this stuff or skeptical, 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.880 I think it's the experience of listening to it for 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:24.880 me was very interesting. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:26.840 I'm glad you liked it. 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.399 Basically, it's about this girl in Norway who is kind 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.640 of feeling off and basically one night while she's in college, 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:40.280 sees this strange looking like man in her room, almost 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:45.400 like a ghost but not quite. She's obviously freaked out, 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.879 has a lot of really strange physical sensations as well 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.560 around this time, and tries to power on with her life, 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:57.000 but is ultimately just kind of having anxiety about it 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.000 and tweaking as you would expect. So she calls her 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.080 her mom in hopes that her mom will calm her down, 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.000 tells her like, I saw this thing, like I'm feeling 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.600 all this stuff, blah blah blah. But instead of her 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:13.000 mom calming her down, she was like I was afraid 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.799 this was going to happen, and was like, they're talking 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:16.319 to you now. 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.319 She's like what, there we go. Yep. 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:23.680 But so she's like what And so her mom, you know, 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.839 tells her very briefly that she's been communicating with these 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.719 beings for like a long time and is essentially like, 0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:34.400 come home to visit and we'll talk. And at that 0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.720 point she finds out that the mom and a girl 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.920 from the mom's gym have been communicating with what they 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:45.520 think are interdimensional beings for a substantial amount of time 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.120 I forget how long. Yeah, And to make to make 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.279 it stranger, this girl from the gym is the same 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.719 age as soul Vi, and her and the mom have 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.080 like become very close to the point where there she 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.000 becomes like a third sister to them essentially. 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.279 Yeah, and like kind of gangers or like they have 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:04.200 like a lot of between them. 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:04.560 Yeah. 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:05.120 Yeah. 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:08.400 So it's like and it gets weirder from there, right, ye. 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.160 But it's to me, it's all I always like that 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.480 like start to the story is what locked me in 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.520 early on, and especially meeting soul I I'm like, I 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:19.160 one hundred percent believe this girl. 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.759 I mean, it's not even a question of belief. You know. 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:23.759 You meet her and talk to her just like she's 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.399 a very straightforward person, right this clearly happened to her 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:28.839 and she doesn't know what it is. 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.719 But that's the thing that like really fucked me up 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:33.799 about it now, because again I was like, I'm sure 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:35.520 there's got to be a way to explain all this, 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:39.239 But then I was trying to look deeper as to 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.960 what was pulling me in despite being so like logical, 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:45.879 when I like when I listen to things like this, 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.160 and there was something I think, because we live in 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:54.480 this like super dumbed down, like deeply disconnected world right now, 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.760 like our current like world, this modern world, we're completely 0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.680 disconnected from like you know, the land, from each other, 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.879 like our history and things like that, that to hear 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:10.880 somebody describe these sort of paranormal phenomena or experiences in 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.400 a way like sort of calls to something like that, 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.400 there's something there's like there's a spirituality that we've lost 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:20.080 on some level as human beings that even if I 0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:25.640 believe Soulvie are not hearing this person speak about these 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.080 things that can't be explained, that they don't understand, is 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.480 like pulling at something I think much deeper, like in 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.360 the human experience that we just completely lack now, like 0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:38.440 especially because that's what colonialism does to most people, like completely, 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.440 it's those things are seen as like pagan or savage 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:43.239 or whatever. 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.040 And the ritual and spirituality out of things, and it's 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.840 just like, this is a materialist universe. Here are the 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.200 laws that explain it. We know everything, no more mystery, 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:53.640 right to work. 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.520 Exactly, And I think there's a yearning on some level 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.200 that it surely just can't be all of this just 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.920 tangible shit. It on some level, even if you're religious 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.400 or not that like, there is something that we feel 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.400 on a deeper level that we can't quite explain. And 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.600 I think that's why I really enjoy listening to the 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.000 show is because even then, even if I'm like, I 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.040 don't know if this actually happened, but the sensation of 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:18.520 hearing a person sort of sincerely describe a thing, whether 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:21.520 they're like very talented liars or just people who are 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:25.319 really being very sincere, there's just something that is undeniable 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.480 that I realize. I'm like, oh, man, like there's something 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.240 about it that is like I don't know, like healing, 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.000 or there's a yearning that I didn't understand, like I 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.600 had deep within me, which is like trying to find 0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.719 sort of like these sort of threads to something like 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.759 that isn't just tangible and just explainable like everything else 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:43.040 has been. 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.000 In mind, I like, I really really like that reaction, 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.760 And that's actually kind of like what I hope the reaction. 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.360 I hope people have to the show, or was hoping 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:55.560 they would have. And I think it's why I like 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:57.960 this stuff, you know, where I wasn't super into it, 0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:00.160 but I do think like when you hear some thing 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.360 like that, I find it comforting in a way, like 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.360 it kind of can make you feel small and like 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.239 remind you that, oh, yeah, we really don't know anything still, right, 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.520 and especially when like the world is crazy or your 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:19.680 life is crazy or anything. Just things feel out of 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.799 control so often in life, you know, I think there's 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:26.440 there's an odd comfort to h hearing the most extreme 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.160 version of that and being reminded like, oh yeah, like 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.239 not only is the world completely out of control, like 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.760 it's always been out of control, like we don't know anything, 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.440 we're just like kind of powerless, you know, And that's fine. 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.600 It's comforting knowing that there are these great, great mysteries 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.960 that maybe we'll understand one day. But it's okay to 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.000 not know because I mean, so I think I've served 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.319 my life being a skeptic, like a real skeptic on 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:58.480 supernatural things, and yet I wear specific hats or don't 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:02.080 wear specific hats based on what like how a basketball 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:03.000 team that I like has. 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:07.040 Performed, which is just I think to your point about powerlessness. 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.760 It's like that is the thing I am completely unable 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:14.040 to control, and so I like invent this stupid way 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.879 that I can control it and like believe it with 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.400 my body and not my mind. But like fully, like 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.080 I'm like, fuck, I did something wrong on the right. 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.319 Well, yeah, that's what's interesting too, because I remember like 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.840 a lot of people to like shows like yours or 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.560 other shows dealing with like paranormal phenomenas, Like they're people 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.560 who so deeply want to just explain why it isn't 0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.480 like and it's just like and it's an unequivocal no, 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.319 this is fucking nonsense, and like I get that sort 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:44.040 of desire. But I think that's why I like I. 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.760 That's what I found very interesting about listening to the episode. 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.920 It's not me necessarily trying to figure out like where 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.759 are the where are the holes in this story because like, sure, 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:55.640 I can be very analytical about those kinds of things, 0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:00.440 but I think again, it's the idea of just that 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.759 there is something we just can't explain and it's and sure, 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.680 maybe it's manifesting these people saying like I'm experiencing X, 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.440 Y or Z, but like even knowing someone is experiencing that, 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.200 there's something like intoxicating about it too, And I think 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.359 maybe that could just be because I've been I'm such 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.040 a deep skeptic about stuff like this where I find 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.560 myself not having to be like does this confirm my 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.400 beliefs or does it completely blow them up? I'm like 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.520 finding this middle thing, which is like, no, man, like 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:29.319 there's something just much deeper, even if it's about like 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:34.719 it's not maybe necessarily interdimensional beings communicating, but we've shut 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.720 ourselves off to something that like I'm trying to figure 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.239 out how to reconnect to and not in like a 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.280 magical way, but just something that's a little bit more 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.000 outside of what is you know, sort of academically described. 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:50.120 Yeah, no, absolutely, And I will say this, like, well, 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.560 first of all, as the host of the show and 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.080 somebody who wants people to just be able to like 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.000 listen and relax and like not being able to not 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.400 try to disprove everything. It is obviously frustrating, like that 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:03.279 type of person who's like wants to quickly disprove things. 0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.239 But I will also say that, like a lot of 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.840 this stuff even if you don't like believe it all 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:11.560 the way, like a lot of times, like I don't 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.440 have a way to disprove it, and I try, right, 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.319 A lot of people are comfortable disproving something by just 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.759 like saying some bullshit and being okay with it not 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:22.560 being complete. 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:24.200 Right. A lot of the ways. 0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:27.239 People disprove these things is just like throwing out some 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:30.640 fucking stupid shit they heard on Wikipedia or like a 0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.319 podcast one time and just being like, oh, it's like 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.000 this effect, you know, yeah, like I heard about that 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.680 one time. It's like all right, And then if you really, 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.040 if you really apply it and like pick it through, 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.440 it doesn't make sense, Like it wouldn't hold up in court, right, 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.600 Like you couldn't if you actually had to disprove it, 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.480 like up to the standards of like a jury, you know, 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.840 that would not work. Often times, there's all sorts of 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:55.920 weird little things people toss around, like mold the person 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:57.880 had like black mold in their house. Maybe maybe it 0:46:57.920 --> 0:46:58.879 was black mold in their house. 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:06.000 That's just like, right, there's the fact that even someone 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.680 is experiencing the world like that. 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:10.120 I think it's just very Yeah, I. 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:13.080 Would still be interested, but yeah, I mean there's things 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.799 like that that get tossed around as if we even 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.600 fully understand those and Jack not to I'm not picking 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.799 on you at all. I do this too, but like, uh, 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.080 I hear a lot about people saying like, oh, it's 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.439 just their unconscious playing tricks on them. It's like, well, dude, 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.160 that's not even we don't even know what the unconscious 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.239 mind is yet or the limitations of it. So it's 0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:37.239 like that doesn't really I'm not satisfied with that explanation ever. 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.320 That gets tossed around a lot. It's like, well, we 0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:44.080 don't know the function, the complete functions of the unconscious mind, 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.400 how it exists. We don't know if it's completely internal. 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.399 There's people who think that it could be partly external. Yeah, 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.920 I think that it could come from somewhere else. That 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.799 opens things up, that opens the floodgates. Yeah, So it's 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.279 like young believe that there was like a shared just 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.600 that we like had access to that exactly. 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.200 Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my interest in it is 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:08.879 that it's so unknown and. 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.440 Which is just as magical the concept of shared unconscious 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.160 and then how then going about to sort of bring 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:16.680 all that to it. 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.640 Yeah, it's one of those things where like, uh, it's 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.600 sort of like the one oh one level is being 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.560 the Reddit atheist who just is like, oh, it's all fake. 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.160 But when you kind of like dig deeper, you kind 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.080 of like come out through the other side. At one 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.640 point you could kind of like keep digging through to 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.280 the other side over and over again with this stuff, 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.160 which is interesting. But yeah, like unconscious stuff, I mean 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.080 even bringing it back to the Wuiji board, it's like 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:46.200 if it is everybody's unconscious, like they're the movement on 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.120 the plan chet kind of like reaching this flow state 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:53.600 like that is actually what spiritualists would say is the 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.120 key to unlocking it, right. 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:55.439 Yeah. 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.880 The people who create like basically popularize the weedge aboard 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:01.880 and like they don't actually the spiritualists don't use that anymore. 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.400 But like that era, that era of time is like 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.960 what birth this like the talking board. But yeah, those 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.319 people that believe at one hundred percent would say that 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.319 that is the key, like the group working together and 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:14.960 that shared exactly. 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:19.439 I think it's so powerful and interesting. Yeah, it's it's cool. 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:23.080 I mean the longer you think about it, the more. 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.319 You scratch your head with this stuff. Yeah. Two of 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.839 the characters like predict using Luigi like predict the day, 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.880 the exact day that like when or the you know, 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.000 Zozo predicts the exact day that their boyfriends are both 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.759 going to break up with them, And I thought that 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:40.800 was funny, so wild. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:44.480 I forgot this either way, it's so interesting. I forget 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:45.880 if it made it into the episode or not. But 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:47.960 when she told me that, I was like, do you 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:49.520 think there's a chance that you guys just broke up 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:51.359 with you because you were addicted to playing with. 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.839 The right We're so obsessed with it, But like that 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:57.719 is what I think. It's like a drug where you're 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.560 like connecting with this thing in a way it is 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.239 not available to you in any other way. So like 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.919 what whether it's something outside or inside, I think it's 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:11.319 you know, powerful and interesting. I'm way more powerful than 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.600 anybody is anyone who's doing it, like being like it's 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:19.000 just their unconscious mind making playing tricks. On them that yeah, 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:22.160 it's not dismissive like that actually makes it more interesting 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:23.160 to me, I think. 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.920 Yeah, But with the Them series, people want clean answers. 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:28.799 There's a certain type of person that would want like 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:32.839 a clear answer to that, and they go looking for it. 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.880 I wanted to disprove that one I'm not disproven. I 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:40.240 thought I was going to that confident I would find something. 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:43.719 I would like turn over enough stones that I would 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:48.359 find clue, right like, but I have not really even 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:52.680 formed a theory in my mind that like a hypothetical 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.279 way to disprove it all. I'm just kind of lost, 0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:59.279 which is so spooky to me. And uh, yeah, I 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:01.840 don't know, that's what I mean, say, with the people 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:03.879 in it, they don't really know what it is. 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.759 Whether I think that's why I like even just like 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:08.040 I would have when I was listening to them, like 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:11.319 I can't wait to hear what the answer is. But 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.719 then again, as again, like the sensation of listening to 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.520 it isn't necessarily that I'm thinking of it, like logically, 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:22.400 it's more I'm I think it's because because I'm skeptical 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.799 that part of that, like there's a certain cynicism that 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:27.920 comes along with that, not that it's like bad or anything, 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.719 but this helped thaw that a bit and was just 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:34.520 maybe it's just for pure entertainment or pleasure that I 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:37.000 could just go, well, we don't know everything, and that's 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:39.279 interesting and I like it and I'll keep it there. 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.040 It's not I'm not going up calling my mom and 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.239 be like, yo, mom, we got to get right with 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.600 these interdimensional beings. I don't know if you hear the 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.640 clicking sounds I'm making with my mouth, And I think that. 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.799 Sort of uncanny thing you're talking about of like the 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.680 experience of listening to the show is like the we 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:55.319 used to only learn and pass information on via the 0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:59.800 oral tradition, and like that is learning like hearing things 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:04.800 as people experience them through their experience, and like that's 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:06.920 what I think is so powerful about the show is 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.640 that like it's reconnecting you with like that way of 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:14.520 experiencing these things that you know, we we were just like, yeah, 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:17.640 but written tradition better, and it's like, no, you're cutting 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:22.360 out a whole, very compelling way of learning about human experience. 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.600 Yeah, And I think like to kind of close out 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:30.880 the whole skepticism thing, you know, people who believe that 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:35.000 there is explanations for everything. It's just we simply don't. 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:37.120 I would be I would love to know if we 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.360 did have an explanation, Like, let's just say for ghosts. 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.960 Like people, there are people who legitimately believe that, like 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:49.439 ghosts have been disproved and like like whether it's infrasound 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.680 or you know, mold poisoning or something. There are people 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.600 who think that's like case closed, this is what it is. 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.800 It's just simply not the case. And what I always 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.320 say in terms of that is like, if there really 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.360 was some way to make a person see a ghost, 0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:06.920 I would love to know. I would love to patent that. 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:10.000 Should you imagine the haunted house you could do? Can 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.480 you imagine the bag from the Universal Studios contract? If 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.000 I figured out, like there's a sound frequency I could 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:19.080 play to like vibrate somebody's brain in a way that 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.960 they see a ghost. All right, I'm patenting that you 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:28.000 won't you won't have the podcast again, bro, I'll be James. 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:32.560 Raytheon would be knocking at your door before Universal Studio. Absolutely, yeah, 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:34.640 let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll be 0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:48.520 right back. Sure, and we're back, We're and real quick, 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.080 it is the week of Halloween. I am just curious 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:55.359 that's somebody who you know, you've connected with all these Oh, 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.040 by the way, we were talking about stupid names. I 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.239 did just want to say pazuzu, which is like an 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:04.320 ancient It sounds like a gen Z slang for possessed. 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:06.640 It sounds like a gen Z person being like I 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:08.600 got pazzuz Yeah. 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.160 But yeah, that's like people think that is always like 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:16.320 maybe that means yeah. 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:20.359 Yeah, or like close to the movie BJ's Brewer, like, hey, 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.800 have you guys had our PiZZ before for dessert? 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.319 It's called a pazzuki in the day. But I do 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:32.359 feel like Halloween is a time when us culture, like 0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:36.280 this version of the zeitgeist, gets to devote energy toward 0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:42.359 living with that like different very you know, allowing those 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.759 energies to kind of come out a little bit. And yeah, 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.600 I feel like there's the skeptical thing that's like there's 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.000 just a chance to get drunk or dress up or whatever. 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:55.160 But like, first of all, just connecting with the unconscious 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:59.880 through mask play is like a very interesting form of therapy, 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:03.719 and you know a thing that I think there are 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:07.520 interesting ways to take that what the skeptical people are 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.840 talking about and be like that that's actually really interesting 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.959 that just by wearing a mask, you like change how 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.319 you experienced reality in such a way that you like 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:18.319 almost become a different person. But I'm just curious as 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:23.439 somebody who has experienced all these stories and like done 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:28.080 all this reporting, Like what are your thoughts on Halloween? Like, 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:32.040 on do you think there are any icons of Halloween 0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:36.319 they are like particularly like powerful sort of pop cultural 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.719 wore cruxes, you know what I mean, Like. 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:45.439 Uhh, I mean no, Personally, I mean like I am 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:48.400 just kind of like I think it's just because my work, 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:52.360 so I'm so desensitized, you know. I think it's like 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.720 the way doctors like don't get freaked out by blood 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.680 at a certain point or bodies or you know, when 0:55:57.719 --> 0:55:59.000 you like don't want to get naked in front of 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.919 your doctor for a physical and your friends like, oh, 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:04.759 it's just skinned to them, Like they don't they even 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.359 like see you as naked. They don't give a fuck. 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.120 Like I think like I've developed that kind of like 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:14.600 callousness towards this material, like it doesn't scare me anymore. 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:18.000 Yeah, I'm not trying to sound like a badass or whatever. 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:19.680 But like, so, what do you do like Halloween? 0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:23.560 You just be just being like, hey, none of this matters. 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:26.080 I know I should probably this is like not a 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:28.399 fun answer. I should have just lied and uh told 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.840 you that I'm the biggest Halloween fan or whatever. But no, 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.600 it's become you know, it's interesting. I love Halloween. I 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.439 always have loved Halloween, but now I'm during this month, 0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.839 I'm so focused on like making the episodes the best 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:42.560 they can that like, I don't have a costume, Like 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:45.319 I don't really have any major plans. This is my 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.920 busy month now. Yeah, I will go on as you 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:48.760 for Halloween. 0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.440 You're an icon of oh cult ship. 0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:55.760 Boring costume though or in costume, But I will say, uh, 0:56:56.080 --> 0:57:00.680 in terms of iconography, I mean the Wija board scares me. Yeah, 0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:02.239 I think that's like a weird thing. I I and 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.040 a lot you know people put it. You know, there's 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:06.839 like horror fans who like put them on their wall 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:10.200 or whatever like that kind of freak. I wouldn't do that. 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.120 I wouldn't even keep one in my house. I'm just 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.200 gonna be honest with you. That type of stuff. I 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.080 just like wouldn't do it. I don't know. 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:18.640 Wait, what's a list of things you wouldn't you wouldn't 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:21.360 keep in your house based on everything you've encountered. Now, 0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:23.800 so ouiji board, don't bring that, not don't leave that here? 0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:28.240 Are good though, right, that's just a Hasbro toy. 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:30.800 That's fine. Most of the answers are nonsense. 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:36.400 I don't know, like I think, I think everybody's different. 0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:39.360 I'll just say that everybody's different, and like if something 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:43.040 freaks you out or freaks me out or unsettles me, 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:44.880 like I wouldn't keep it in my house, if that 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:48.000 makes sense. Like some I host the show, so I 0:57:48.000 --> 0:57:52.000 I'm given stuff, I get stuff. There's like there's things 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:53.920 that just kind of like unsettle me. Like I I 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.080 think I was like designing merch or something. So I 0:57:56.120 --> 0:58:00.720 went to one of those like brew Harria stores or 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.880 whatever that you see in La where it's like they 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.320 sell all the witchcraft stuff and they sell like weird 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.680 Jesus statues and like dragons, and you could. 0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:10.640 Buy like a love spell. 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.160 I remember buying like all the weird like love spells 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.880 or like the colone that you spray and can make 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:17.440 you rich. There are a couple of those that kind 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:19.720 of like freaked me out, just like the vibes, So 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:20.280 I think. 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:22.480 I got rid of that a little too powerful. I 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:22.960 feel like. 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.080 That's sort of my guidelines, is like if it's something 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.320 that's you know, I look at it as more like 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.040 personal but objectively. I don't know if there's like any 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:34.880 objective things that I think. 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:36.840 No, I mean that they're bad. Yeah. 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:39.800 I think that's what's so interesting about like the paranormal 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:43.360 is that it it speaks to everyone differently, Like whereas 0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:45.560 like any ghosts right here, I'm like, yeah, whatever, and 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:50.440 then someone's like inter dimensional being how I'm like, uh huh. 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:52.560 Yeah, Yeah. 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.640 I think intentions matter a lot. I know my answer 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.600 kind of sounds like a cop out or some shit. 0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:01.040 I'm just like making up off the fly. But I 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.760 think intentions do matter, just based on like what I 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:08.200 hear on the show. I think like your own like 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:11.640 vibes for backup lack of a better word, have like 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:15.040 a big play on things, you know, So if it's 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.560 if it's impacting you, it might impact your home, you know, 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:23.560 and vice versa. Yeah, and like people, there's there's too 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:25.800 long of a story. But somebody I know had a 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.560 cursed family ring, like multi generational curse, and like things 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:32.280 were happening related to the ring. It was an engagement 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:34.520 ring that made them think it was still cursed. And 0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.320 she came to me asking like, hey, do anybody that 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:40.440 could uncurse the ring? And I was like, no, I 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.080 do not, I do not know. 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:47.160 I'm sorry. Who are headed to Mount Doom right now? Yeah? 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:51.720 Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, give them, give them some some 0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:53.720 bread and cheese and they could take it, take it 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:55.000 along with them, two for one. 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:56.480 But this was a friend. 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:59.360 Her name's Rosie by the way, she's been on the show. 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:01.880 But yeah, I mean when somebody she was serious and I 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:05.280 wanted to give a serious answer, and I didn't have 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:07.880 an answer for her. But what I actually believed in 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:09.720 when I told her was I was like, you know, 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.040 obviously your research around and find somebody to do this, 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:16.640 but you should go with like whatever you think would 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:20.080 uncurse it, right, Like, if you think that's a Catholic priest, 1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:22.120 you should go to a Catholic priest. If you think 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.560 it's going to be some spooky which lady in the valley, 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:28.960 go there, right if you want a vale Yeah, like 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:32.800 a monk whatever, if you think you should sage it, 1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:36.960 do that, Like I think whatever you believe the most 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:38.400 you know, right right right, That's. 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:39.920 The most powerful is like your own intent. 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:42.280 Yeah, if you're if you're going into it thinking like 1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:44.040 this is not going to work. I think it's not 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:44.640 gonna work. 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.800 See Jack, that's why you wear the Sixers hat man. 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.880 That's right, and it works every time. That's why they're 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.320 so good. Jack Wagner, is such a pleasure having you. 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.680 Thank you for coming on at this spookiest time of 1:00:56.760 --> 1:01:01.640 year when you're working on making the show, making amazing 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.640 episodes of the shows. Where can people find you and 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:05.160 follow you? 1:01:05.600 --> 1:01:08.440 Other World is the name of the show. We are 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:12.800 available anywhere you get your podcast. I suppose recently started 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.560 uploading episodes to YouTube finally, So actually, if you are 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:18.560 listening right now, would actually be very helpful if you 1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:20.600 went and subscribed to the YouTube, which I think is 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.880 called Other World Pod on YouTube. But just find it. 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:27.320 We've had a cool visualizer made for it, so dope. 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.000 But yeah, that's where you can find me. 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:32.720 Their work of media that you've been able to come 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:36.280 up with, that you've been enjoying. Oh fuck, I don't 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.000 know if I have a good answer for this. Is 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.040 there a horror movie that you enjoy particularly? 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.400 I haven't seen a good one this year. I've I'm 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:47.480 so lacking in movies. The last TV show I watched 1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:47.920 was The Pit. 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:51.640 Do you guys watch that? Yeah? Yeah, great TV? Yeah, 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:56.280 wullet Proof. I uh we started watching it, but uh 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.520 my wife is a physician, and it was just like, no, 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:02.320 just work for her. Yeah, she's just like this is 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:06.680 like this, I might have to go back and watch er. Yeah, 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:10.040 I've never seen it. Yeah, that's that's what I've heard 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.439 that people like who completed were just like I need 1:02:12.480 --> 1:02:13.760 more of this and went back. 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:16.760 Yeah, I can't. That can be my recommendation. I can't 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.640 recommend an any winning show everybody. 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.240 That's fine. What else? 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:26.640 What do people normally recommend that it's we've had The 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:27.880 Pit recommended before. 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:31.360 Yeah, people just say like what they're literally watching right now, 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:33.360 even if it's not interesting, just kind of giving people 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:36.120 a glimpse into like whatever media they're consuming right now. 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:37.760 But again, totally up to you. 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:42.120 I'm consuming, dude, the show consumes me sadly. So I'm 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:44.360 gonna plug my own show all the world, and I'll 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:48.480 plug your show. Yeah, people out there and the Dodgers 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:52.080 and the Dodgers, how about them? Miles Where can people 1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:54.040 find you as their working media you've been enjoying? 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:58.320 Yeah, find me everywhere at miles of Gray. Catch me 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:01.280 talking about I need a fan on four to twenty 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:06.280 day Fiance cashm rooting for the Dodgers, just within earshot. 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:08.600 Of Dodger Stadium, screaming like a fucking demon. 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:12.120 And let's see a post I like actually from blue 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:15.080 Sky at Internet, hippot at skuy at social posted They're 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:17.520 going to change the clocks this weekend and the president 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:20.920 is powerless to stop it because he's weak and a loser. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.439 That's what they're saying, sir, that is a Blue Sky post. 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:29.200 I've ever heard one. Let's see I like to tweet 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:32.680 from Eli Crumbendahl, who tweeted, Unfortunately, my nervous system can't 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.720 tell the difference between needing to answer some emails and 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:40.800 being wanted for murder. That is how I experienced my life. 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:44.080 You can find me on Twitter at jack underscorel Brian 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:48.840 jack ob One on blue Sky. You can find us 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:52.120 on Twitter and blue Sky at Daily zeikeistre ad The 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:54.880 Daily Zeikeist on Instagram. You can go to the description 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:56.720 of this episode wherever you're listening to it, and they're 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:58.840 at the bottom, you will find the footnote foot there's 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:00.600 where we link off to the information that we talked 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:03.120 about in today's episode. We also link off to a 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.680 song that we think you might enjoy, because is there 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:08.520 a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yes, yes, yes, 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:09.720 just more. 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:12.680 Look, I'm playing Ghost of Yote and my favorite thing 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:16.240 right now to dud just instrumental hip hop. I play 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.840 on my spot built in Spotify, So I changed the 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.040 soundtrack so it's kind of like Samurai Champlou. 1:04:21.360 --> 1:04:23.240 But I've been listening to the mad. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:26.280 Lib Blue Note record album that he did Shades of 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:29.920 Blue mad Lib Invades Blue Note h and I just 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.000 want to go out on a track just a mad 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:34.720 Lib is like one of the best sample based producers 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:35.200 out there. 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:38.560 This one's called Distant Land by mad Lib. All right, 1:04:38.600 --> 1:04:40.360 we will link off to that in the footnote. For 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:43.360 Daily is the production of iHeartRadio. 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